The Field Test isn't quite wrapped up yet - there are still a few enduro bike reviews to come - but episode 34 sees Kazimer, Brian, and James grill me about the five trail bikes I spent the last month comparing. Is the Salsa Blackthorn really just a purple all-mountain bike? How is the Stumpy even rideable without Horst Link suspension? Why didn't we get a Trance X to test without Fox's computer-controlled Live Valve suspension? Where does the new Mojo 4 excel? How was my bonspiel? Do the P-Train's steel tubes make any difference on the trail?
If you've read the Field Test reviews and still want more info, today's Pinkpod is a must-listen.
THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 34 - GRILLING LEVY ABOUT FIELD TEST TRAIL BIKES December 2, 2020
All trail bikes, all the time. Except for when we talk about curling.
Hosted by Mike Levy (usually) and featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike Podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.
Shorter travel, lets steepen up the angle by 1-1.5 degrees and add a lower cup with 10-15mm of stack. Longer travel, remove the extra stack and slack it out.
This would keep the reach, seat tube angle, and BB drop much closer between models, and give more aftermarket customization options by the riders who what to play around.
2: @mikelevy those bananas are the tits! Pro tip, Light it on fire and let it burn until it goes out.... a little char and some extra caramelized chemicals.... #heaven
Do you guys change your suspension settings when riding in the cold? I went for my first colder ride of the season this week and I noticed the suspension felt much more harsh vs when the air temperature warmed up about 15 degrees by the end of my ride.
Aside from that, the big thing for me is that I want to get used to how my bike handles and then that's it - that's how it handles, ya know? I don't want the steering to change.
and if I had a kid I'd get them one 100% lol idc
But one thing that I'd like to complain about even though I understand the cause: it was super fun to see Levy ride the bikes in his videos, but a bummer not to get to see Kazimer ride them in his! I know it's not important, but in the bigger picture...anyway, as part of the bike reviews it's just really fun to get to see the actual reviewer riding the bikes. I know y'all can't cross the border and the bikes can, but it would have been really rad to have gotten some kind of video from the south of the border testing. End of pointless complaint.
I'd love to see more back to back comparisons of the same bike with different frame materials. Is it just weight (a few hundred frames can be saved elsewhere on the bike for much less than the difference between alu and carbon frames)? Or does the bike ride differently?
I don't think it's particularly fair to the consumer for brands to just send out their top end bikes to "inform" the consumer that can't afford a $10k bike, looking lower down the range.
Who is riding the enduro bikes on the Video? Because it doesn’t seems to be Kazimer. The guy is on the same trails as Levy was with the trail bikes, and he is running the front brake on the right.
Did Kaz rode the bikes home to review? Then shipped them to bc for someone to ride them and get filmed? Or did he finish the underground tunnel to BC and made it across? ????????
Which bike parts benefit the most from Carbon technology?
* Complete frame, front triangle or rear triangle? (will we ever see an aluminum front with carbon rear?)
what do you guys think? (I have nothing carbon on my bikes)
I think he said they were all pretty good, but those weren't his favourites.
I’m in the market for pads and figured if they could hack it in Squamish strapped onto Levy, they’d probably suit my needs just fine. :-)
Measuring frame weights in 000's of grams over kg seems silly and then regarding the whole bike in lbs is hard to keep up with.
We've settled on metric as the standard for length can we choose a weight standard also?
@mikelevy - How would you say the Pole Stamina 140 fares compared to the S-Works Stumpjumper?
Second, the live valve, come oooon, are we reeaally getting that lazy?? "doing the thinking for us" ?? Its not like it has sensors reading the terrain in front of the bike and adjusting compression valving in advance.. its really only just electronic low speed compression control. And i still believe that uphill any of the other bikes would have had better times if climb switches were used.. just as it was used automatically on the Giant.
Realistically, the Giant would be a much better performer downhill with a proper high quality shock, and would still be as fast uphill using a climb switch.. which is hardly a problem to use especially if it has a remote.
As for the comment on the live valve on flatter terrain, same applies. And thats why the Giant is a big miss. Unfortunately it seems they're charging a premium for something that just isnt up to par. But by all means, if someone is willing to pay for it, be my guest...
Plenty of, if not most shocks, have a climb switch which is NOT, i repeat NOT, a lockout.. but rather a type of low speed compression adjuster. For example i have one on my bike, rock shox call it a threshold switch.
And guess what, it does pretty much exactly what Levy described when talking about the live valve. Class dismissed.
"An output electric signal from the device is transmitted to the controller. The controller responds to that signal by adjusting the damping rate of the damping assembly to lock or unlock, and/or set at some intermediate level according to the output electric signal"
So the bike can lock and unlock (among other things) without you doing anything. So it thinks and acts for you.
I'm all for technology, if it actually makes things better..
It does have sensors that sense terrain and rider input and then adjusts compression valving automatically. Not only does it think for us, it also acts for us. I don't want people on here reading this and being uninformed as to what Fox have developed.
And if it really really wasn't clear for you, i meant sensors that look at the trail ahead of you like a sonar and anticipate suspension settings. But whatever, now we're getting into semantics.
"... Have you WATCHED King of Kong??"
PS glad Levy is back