YT Capra CF Pro - Review

Jun 22, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  



YT Industries' history dates back to 2006, when company founder Markus Flossman witnessed a crew of youngsters throwing down at the local dirt jumps on department store bikes ill-equipped for the abuses of hard riding. That was the inspiration for the first bike in the company's line, a well spec'd hardtail that was light years ahead of a department store bike, but more affordable than the higher end dirt jumpers on the market at the time. Even though YT's lineup has expanded to include carbon fiber downhill and enduro bikes, the ethos of offering high performance bikes at a reasonable price has remained, which the German company achieves via a consumer direct sales model. You won't see YT on the sales floor of your local bike shop anytime soon – they're solely available online, which cuts out the costs associated with the traditional manufacturer → shop → consumer sales model.

YT bills the Capra as a “hardy mountain beast,” and with 165 or 170mm of rear travel, a slack, 65.2° degree head angle, meaty tires, wide bars and a short stem it has all the hallmarks of a modern all-mountain or enduro race bike. We tested the CF Pro, which has a carbon fiber front triangle and seatstays, BOS suspension front and rear, and a generous helping of e*thirteen and SRAM components. Available in sizes S, M, and L, the Capra CF Pro retails for $5195 USD.




YT Capra CF Pro Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear wheel travel: 170mm
• Head angle: 65.2°
• Chainstay length: 430mm
• Carbon fiber front triangle and seatstays
• Fork: BOS Deville 170mm
• Shock: BOS Kirk
• Drivetrain: SRAM X1 / X01
• Brakes: SRAM Guide RSC
• Weight: 30.2 lb (size L, w/o pedals)
• MSRP: $ 5,195 USD
www.yt-industries.com, @YTIndustries


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Frame Design

The Capra's carbon monocoque frame has a stout, aggressive look to it, with a head tube junction that could serve as the prow for some sort of futuristic battleship. That beefy aesthetic continues throughout the frame, from the wide, pentagon shaped top tube to the bottom bracket junction that looks capable of withstanding some serious abuse. While the majority of the frame is constructed from carbon fiber, the chainstays are made from aluminum to help ensure they can withstand the abuse that the bike's pilot is sure to dish out.

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The Capra's wide tubing and angular design make it look ready for battle.
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Carbon seatstays house the rear 12x142 thru-axle, and attach to the aluminum chainstay below the rear axle.

Internal routing is used for the rear derailleur housing and in the seat tube for the stealth dropper post, while the rest of the housing is cleanly routed along the top of the down tube. ISCG tabs are in place around the PF30 bottom bracket, and there's also the option to run a front derailleur, a feature that's becoming less and less common in this age of 1x drivetrains. Unfortunately, the rear suspension configuration does rule out carrying a water bottle inside the front triangle.

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YT calls their Horst Link suspension design Virtual 4 Link, or V4L.

Suspension Design

The Capra relies on a Horst Link suspension design that YT refers to as “V4L” for its 170mm of rear travel (the travel drops to 165mm if the shorter stroke Monarch Plus rear shock is used instead of the BOS Kirk). The shock is mounted to the seat stays, and just below it there's a Y-shaped aluminum link that connects to the brace running between the seat and down tube. That link is what directs the bike through its travel, and its dimensions and orientation were designed to create a bike with good mid-stroke support for pedaling, while also having a very strong ramp up at the end of its travel to help keep it from bottoming out harshly.



YT Capra CF Pro Spec Sheet
Specifications
Price $5195
Travel 170mm
Rear Shock BOS Kirk
Fork BOS Deville 170mm
Headset Acros AZX
Cassette SRAM XG1180
Crankarms e*thirteen TRSr 170mm
Chainguide e*thirteen XCX+
Rear Derailleur SRAM X01
Shifter Pods SRAM X1
Handlebar Renthal Fatbar Aluminum 780mm
Stem Renthal Apex 50mm
Grips Sensus Disisdaboss
Brakes SRAM Guide RSC
Wheelset e*thirteen TRSr
Tires Maxxis Highroller II 2.4"
Seat SDG Duster
Seatpost RockShox Reverb 150mm 31.6mm

Geometry








Sizing

Although YT recommends that riders under six feet tall go with a size medium, looking at the reach numbers (422mm for the medium, 445mm for the large) convinced me that the large would be the better fit, and more in line with other bikes I've been riding recently. The one thing to keep in mind is that the M and L both come with 150mm dropper posts, and the size large has a seat tube length of 18.82”, which may make it difficult for shorter riders to achieve a proper fit without switching to a post with 125mm of drop.


Suspension Setup

The 170mm BOS Deville fork on the front of the Capra has a massive range of adjustments – each dial, whether it's the one for high-speed compression, low-speed compression, or rebound damping has 30 possible positions. Rather than starting with the compression fully open and then working inwards as needed, BOS recommends starting in the middle of the range, with all of the dials (including rebound) turned 15 clicks from the fully tightened position. This technique worked well, and after a couple rides of tinkering I ended up varying my setup only a few clicks from what BOS suggested.

It didn't take quite as long to get the rear shock set up, although it too has a great deal of adjustability. I ended up settling on 30% sag with both compression circuits nearly all the way open, adding just a few click of low- and high-speed compression to keep the bike from eating up its travel too quickly.

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The BOS Deville has 30 clicks of both low- and high-speed compression adjustment.
Climbing

A 65.2° head angle, 170mm of travel – a few years ago those would have been the ingredients for a bike that's a pig on the climbs, but times have changed, and the Capra pedals quite well, especially given its downhill-oriented nature. It's not going to win an XC race against the lighter and livelier bikes out there any time soon, but I also never found myself cringing when faced with a long sustained section of climbing. There's minimal pedal bob, even with the rear shock in the open position (which is a good thing, since the difference between the lever's two positions is barely noticeable), and the frame geometry feels well balanced, which makes it easy to find the sweet spot for maintaining traction.

The 2.4” wide Maxxis Highroller II tires don't help much with maintaining rolling speed, but they do offer plenty of grip on loose terrain, keeping the Capra scrambling up through loose rocks and debris like its mountain goat namesake. There's plenty of travel on hand to erase the obstacles that loom up from the trail, and the wide bar / short stem combo provides extra leverage for lift the front end up and over anything that can't be plowed straight through.

It's worth noting that the BOS Deville's compression adjustments are found on the underside of the right leg, which means there's no way to easily firm up the fork for longer climbs, something that out-of-the-saddle pedal mashers may find slightly annoying, but it's a minor inconvenience, and if anything simply encourages a little smoother pedaling style.

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bigquotesIt may have 170mm of travel, but the Capra doesn't smother the rider in downy pillows of plushness - it has more of a sporty feel, remaining composed throughout the entirety of its travel even when faced with jarring impacts or harsh compressions.

Descending

I don't use the term 'confidence inspiring' too often, especially since it's become a cliché that shows up in everything from the catalog copy for long sleeves jerseys to sunglasses, but with the Capra it really is an apt sentiment. This is one of those bikes that helps erase the little voice of doubt in your head as you drop into the opening move of a steep, rutted and raw trail, a bike that encourages going a little bit faster, and a little bit bigger than usual. It may have 170mm of travel, but the Capra doesn't smother the rider in downy pillows of plushness - it has more of a sporty feel, remaining composed throughout the entirety of its travel even when faced with jarring impacts or harsh compressions. That composed feeling helps keep the bike maneuverable at slower speeds, situations where bikes that are more eager to go through their travel can feel sluggish and unresponsive. The relatively short chainstays and low bottom bracket height help as well, making it easy to whip the bike in and out of tight bermed corners.

With 200mm rotors front and rear, meaty tires, and enough suspension that I briefly considered revisiting my freeride days and hucking off a loading dock, the Capra is a formidable tool for taming challenging terrain, and it took everything from rock and root infested downhill tracks to machine-made jump trails in stride. I even spent a few days aboard the Capra at the Whistler Bike Park, prime testing grounds when it comes to evaluating a bike's performance on jumps and drops, as well as overall durability, and my positive impressions of the bike continued. Whether it was on the chewed up roots of Joyride, or the poppy step-ups of Dirt Merchant, the bike held its own, and felt much closer to a downhill bike than something that I could have ridden to the top of the hill had I not elected to take advantage of the conveniently located chairlift. There's a strong ramp up at the end of the bike's travel that made bottoming out a rarity even when sending things a little too far, and also provided plenty of 'pop' for lofting of the lips off the countless jumps in the park.

For as brawny as the Capra is, its on trail manners are surprisingly, well, for lack of a better word, nice. I'd expected it to be more of a handful, a bike that required a firm hand on the reins to keep from getting bucked, but was instead treated to a ride with manners your grandma would approve of. Pro-level riding skills aren't necessary to have a good time on the Capra - even a rider just beginning to test the waters of more treacherous terrain will find themselves feeling right at home.

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Whistler SRAM tuning camp
The Capra and the Nomad are both prime examples of just how far bike technology has advanced, highly capable machines that are well mannered on the climbs, and absolutely ruthless on the descents.

YT Capra / Santa Cruz Nomad Comparison

When the review of Santa Cruz's new Nomad went up last year it generated a good amount of clamoring in the comments section for a comparison between it and the Capra. I've been able to spend extensive time on both bikes, so I'm happy to oblige, but for those who want a definitive X is better than Y answer, you're not going to find it here. All the same, there are a few differences between the two that are worth highlighting.

Climbing: The Nomad has a little more pep when it comes time to climb, more than likely due to the kinematics of the VPP suspension designs versus the Horst link used on the Capra. Both bikes climb impressively well considering how much rear travel they have, but the Nomad feels slightly more efficient under hard pedaling loads, with snappier acceleration than the Capra.

Handling: This is where the lines really become blurred, as both bikes possess very similar geometry figures, especially if you look at the wheelbase and head angle numbers. I'd call it a draw when it comes to tight switchbacks or slower speed technical maneuvers – it takes the same amount of effort to get through that type of terrain on either bike. The slightly lower standover height of the Nomad does create a little more room to move the bike around in especially awkward sections.

Descending: For pure monster trucking, riding that involves rocketing directly down the fall line and through anything that happens to get in the way, the Capra has the edge. It has a more tank-like feel than the Nomad, and while the Nomad can definitely plow through chunder without any trouble, the Capra feels more at ease plummeting straight down the trail.



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Comfy with or without gloves, and not too thick, Sensus' Disisdaboss grips are worth a try.
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e*thirteen's component's held up to all of the miles we put on them without fail.

Component Check

• Maxxis Highroller II: Maxxis' Highroller II tires are a common sight these days, due to their predictable handling and excellent traction in a wide range of conditions. They're not the fastest rolling tire, but they get the job done. It would have been nice to see the tubeless-ready version spec'd on the Capra – the ones that the bike comes with have a fairly loose fit between the tire bead and the rim sidewall, making it nearly impossible to run them without tubes.

• Sensus Disisdaboss grips: The Disisdaboss grips are extremely comfortable with or without gloves thanks to their flexible ribbed pattern, and the addition of a small flange on each side to partially cover the lock-on clamp is an appreciated touch.

• BOS Kirk shock: The Kirk rear shock worked without any issues throughout the entire test period, but there are a couple of sticking points that prevent it from being the best of the best. The first point is regarding the red lever on the side that's meant to switch between two low speed compression settings. The lever is conveniently located and easy to use, but the difference between each position was minimal, and I would have preferred a firmer setting for long climbs. The Kirk is also not as supple as the current offerings from RockShox and FOX, and cycling the shock while the bike was stationary revealed a slightly 'gritty' feel as it goes through its travel, a sensation that was there before the bike ever hit the trails. That being said, the high and low speed compression adjustments are effective, and the shock offered excellent support and control for the duration of the test.

• e*thirteen components: e*thirteen has a substantial presence on the Capra, taking care of the wheels, cranks, chainring, and chainguide. Even after a few months of heavy use, including laps in the bike park, both wheels are spinning true. I did need to adjust the rear bearing preload adjuster after it worked itself loose - other than that there's been no need to touch the wheels. Pressfit bottom brackets have a reputation for being creaky and temperamental, which is why e*thirteen uses threaded aluminum cups for their bottom bracket to keep everything securely pressed in place, a design that proved to be effective, since the bike was noise-free for the duration of the test period.


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Mark Allison lets it run during an usually dry and dusty day in the Pacific Northwest.



Pinkbike's Take:

bigquotesThe Capra falls on more extreme side of the enduro / all-mountain spectrum, and it's best to ensure that you have the terrain to warrant owning one before shelling out your dollars, no matter how appealing its price. Think hard - do you really need 170mm (almost 7") of travel for the trails you ride the majority of the time? If you do, or at least harbor dreams of venturing into more and more difficult terrain, the Capra is an excellent option, one that won't disappoint with its admirable handling and good value. For riders trying to decide between different components packages, I'd be inclined to go with the RockShox equipped version for both the ease of service as well as a slightly better suspension feel, a choice that also results in a lower final price. - Mike Kazimer




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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 32 • Height: 5'11” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 155lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Twenty years deep into a mountain biking addiction that began as a way to escape the suburban sprawl of Connecticut, Mike Kazimer is most at home deep the woods, carving his way down steep, technical trails. The decade he spent as a bike mechanic helped create a solid technical background to draw from when reviewing products, and his current location in the Pacific Northwest allows for easy access to the wettest, muddiest conditions imaginable.



295 Comments

  • 263 14
 Value wise, it seems to pop a Capra in the Nomads ass
  • 14 159
flag sentenced2life (Jun 22, 2015 at 1:19) (Below Threshold)
 Geometry is all wrong though ! Puts me off instantly ! My NS snabb medium is 17.5' seat tube and 445 reach. Perfect for 5f11
  • 22 7
 Thinks are even ''worse'' if you compare Nomad Vs Capra with equal Rock Shox built.
  • 11 50
flag deeeight Plus (Jun 22, 2015 at 6:08) (Below Threshold)
 In europe maybe but not here in North America.
  • 27 6
 YT FTW.
  • 63 2
 Not everyone needs the Pro model either. The Capra AL 1 has a freakin amazing spec for only $3300. If you "need" a carbon frame, you can get it for another grand. We need more direct sales brands in the US.
  • 44 1
 It's a no brainer to get essentially the same product with very little discernible performance difference (especially for the average Joe) but pay less.

Service in Australia has never been good. Try asking to demo a Santa Cruz on the trails let alone take a few sizes for a spin in the carpark (to work out fit), and you'll get laughed out the door. Demo days are borderline non-existent, and when your bike arrives 3 months after you paid in full and committed to the bike, and it doesn't fit, you're told 'bad luck'.

The 15-30 percent price difference between YT and other brands can easily be atttibuted to the sort of service bike shops should be giving to someone paying over $6000 on a relatively simple machine. If I was getting my money's worth in service over what I get from an online shop, I'd happily go to my LBS to buy my next bike. However in the mean time I'll keep the difference for myself and do my own research.
  • 6 0
 the prices are stupid hard to beat. i cant decide between the capra or the spartan, i have a feeling it will be the capra.
  • 19 2
 Both amazing bikes! I had the unique opportunity to own a VPP and a horst-link bike at the same time (had my Bronson stolen, I bought an Enduro to replace then recovered the Bronson). I ended up keeping the Enduro as I felt the horst-link design was better in almost all situations. It soaks up repetitive bumps better, especially at higher speeds.

Side note: do yourself a favor, ask local bike shop what bike you can get for the same price as a YT shipped to the door. Consider that many shops will give you free labor for a year and work with you when you inevitably have to warranty something (because mountain biking). I got my Enduro Carbon 650b for the same price as the bike above, and it weighs nearly 2 pounds less.
  • 28 1
 The prices are definitely amazing for the Euro and US guys, but as for us Canadians... we get owned due to the conversion rate, import duties, and taxes. YT's 'North American' distribution model is somewhat flawed this way, since it still requires us to 'import' the bike. I'd jump on board and get a Capra CF Comp 1 (great company, awesome bike), but without an actual distribution branch in Canada, I will wait for the time being.
  • 5 0
 The Capra AL 1 is only $2700 over here in the UK so its even better value because the American brands are more expensive over here, like wise the Europe brands are more expensive over there but still I have to agree amazing value and can't wait until my Capra Comp 1 gets shipped should be this week!
  • 30 5
 In the US, not sure it's such a no brainer. Capra Comp CF1 is roughly equivalent to Nomad Carbon C - pretty equivalent spec (perhaps slight advantage to Capra); pretty equivalent weight (perhaps slight advantage to Nomad). Difference is about US-$1k in retail price. If your LBS has the Nomad in stock at this time of the year, you'll probably get 10% off (our LBS just ran a promotion like that). So you're down to $400 difference. No need to wait for the Nomad if in stock. LBS (a good one, at least) will take care of you for processing warranties, helping you with urgent fixes when you're about to go on a trip, perhaps putting you on a loaner bike while you're waiting for a repair or a part. Probably throw in some service as well. So unless you're a complete DIY person, it's a lot closer than it seems. And that's before you get into any discussion about benefits of thriving LBSs for your local riding scene.

YMMV - if you're in a place without a good LBS (I have no love lost for the ones who don't pull their weight, or the sort of BS that @ZeGermans describes about the situation in Oz), then direct may be a better route. For those of us lucky to live in a place with a thriving LBS ecosystem, the direct model is not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.
  • 10 2
 Canadians: drive across the border, build the bike, and drive back as if you went on a bike trip. Would they still charge for import tax in that situation?
  • 3 0
 There's a robust trade in businesses on the US side of the border offering to receive packages/shipments to hold for Canadians to then pick those up and deal with the import process on their own (whether officially declaring stuff and just going that route to avoid the freight forwarding and border processing fees charged by the shippers, or to do it the undeclared way). That's probably not quite as prevalent as it used to be a little while ago when the US and Canadian dollar were at near parity (cross border shopping seems to have slacked off quite a bit here - but it's still happening some).
  • 8 6
 Well since border agencies are legally allowed to search the vehicle and your person, including looking in your computer(s) and phones, and the penalties for not declaring are usually higher than just paying the tax... I'd just be honest with them and pay them.
  • 1 0
 I would really like to know about this, im living in Canada by the time.
  • 4 0
 The US mailing centers near the border are actually not merely because doing the paperwork yourself solves the brokerage fee issue, but because many US stores offer free shipping anywhere in the lower-48... so you mail to one of the corporate wharehouse centers (like in Ogdensburg NY) and then drive over, pick it up, and hit the border office to self-declare. At least one ottawa bike store does that for the USA brands/distributors (like Surly/Salsa and QBP) they deal with. Still it doesn't do anything for the problem that with Salsa, you've now paid import duties twice effectively... once when the shipments reached the USA from Taiwan and again coming from the USA to Canada (because they do not count as USA made for the free trade agreement, you still pay duty as if you imported it from taiwan directly).
  • 2 0
 @cuban-b I have thought about this already actually, and it would most likely work just fine, thought you still have to tack on about %20 for the currency conversion (and I'm willing to bet that if YT was selling in Canada, their prices would not be %20 higher than the US prices). Then I would have to find a place to do just throw the bike together (perhaps a field or something LOL). Finally, say if something was to go wrong with the frame, and I had to ship the bike back, I would no longer have the box, as I would most likely have to ditch it somewhere before crossing the border, because it could pose a problem if border patrol were to check the car (though unlikely, but you never know).

That being said yes, you are correct. Getting the bike shipped to the border and then driving across is a viable option, and most likely the best, if us Canadians are to save some money. I just wish it wouldn't have to be such a run around though, considering YT claims this is a 'North American' distribution. Canada may be America's hat, but last I checked, we are actually part of the North American continent. There is the free trade agreement, but that only includes goods made in the USA. At least it saved me some money when ordering my US made OneUp rack (which is amazing btw).
  • 3 0
 @ryan83 -> thanks for the input. I demoed a Bronson and liked it, but didn't love it. Considering the new Stumpy for my next bike over the Bronson. Would consider a 5"-6" trail bike from YT once (hopefully) they have one..... And agree with the benefits of a shop purchase tho hard to argue with d2c pricing.
  • 4 0
 I ordered a CF Comp 1 and had it delivered to a shipping location in Montana. The total duty I paid to bring it across was under $300 CDN, making it still $2k cheaper than a Nomad at my local shop. Got my first real ride in last night and the thing was amazing. With all of my friends riding the new Nomad, it's nice to be on something a little different (and saving HUGE on the price tag!). All said and done, I paid a total of around $6300 CDN.
  • 11 1
 Ill give my own Mini review as I just received my Carbon Comp 1 last Wednesday and raced the Hood River Enduro on it after just a couple hour seat time.
Things I changed right away, Roval Traverse Fattie Wheels, Renthal Carbon fatbar 20mm rise and due stem, xt brakes with icetech rotors, saddle. I have not weighed it but it felt noticeably lighter than my 30 lb covert carbon

Climbing: The thing surprisingly climbs well. i climbed all my transfers in open and it did great. never spun out and stayed planted to the ground. trail mode on the shock could be used for longer climbs and on the monarch the peddle mode is definitely firm. i was using a spesh purgatory on the rear

Descending: with zero spacers in the monarch, i was very surprised at the action the v4l platform performed. i weigh 210 geared up and at 30% sag i still had at least half an inch of stroke not touched, but at the same time i never felt like the rear was bucking or harsh, it tracked and glided over everything smoothly. the only time i pushed the ring down was on stage 7 during the G-out. its very progressive by itself and doesnt need rings. I think a debonair would make the rear even better.

Sizing. Im 6 foot with shoes with a 32 inch inseam and have the large. it feels plenty long and i feel the TT numbers everyone is concerend about is because the seat tube angle is also about 2 degrees less slack than most new all mountain bikes these days. give it a 72 degree seat tube angle and the reach would be comparable. my duo is 50mm and my bars are 780mm.

overall takeaway is how well their v4l performed. it climbed better than expected and was very satisfied with the descending characteristics, i might do a debonair air can conversion but for now im very happy with its performance.
  • 2 0
 @BScotty What did you claim as the value of the bike if you don't mind me asking? The $300 was duties and taxes included?
  • 2 0
 @wasatchenduro My point about the dealer is that "retail" as advertised, or even labeled on the bikes in the shop, is typically far more than what they will sell for. I worked for many years in a bike shop and if you have a respectful conversation with the sales person you can find yourself saving lots of money. Good ones want to earn your business. In Denver there are a TON of high end bike shops. I simply went to a couple with good reviews and asked if they were negotiable. It seems the higher in the price range you go the more they are willing to budge. I started with what I wanted to spend and they worked their magic. You'll also likely get more flexibility with a big brand like Trek, Santa Cruz, Spec, Giant as they get better margins and sell more volume then say an Ibis or Yeti.
  • 9 0
 Not sure how it works going into Canada, but if you build the bike up, get it dirty, and roll up to the border crossing I really don't think anyone would even ask if you bought the bike new on that trip. I've crossed the border with my bike on the back several times and never got asked whether I bought it in Canada.
  • 3 0
 i doubt they're stopping every car with a bike asking if that's brand new and now you owe vat etc.
  • 7 0
 The only reason you'll get stopped at the border is if you drive a total beater, or you tell them you bought fruit, meat or some other "banned" foodstuff on either side.

Buy the Capra, build it out in front of a cafe or park, go for a ride in Bellingham and then cross the border back!
  • 3 3
 Horst link is the reason intense used to own the downhill scene. I remember my buddy and I watching the pros at Plattekill and looking at the bikes and the way the suspensions of the different brands worked and we realized all the 4 bar designs seemed to soak up more of the drops. The design is proven on paper and in the real world.
  • 9 18
flag chaboii (Jun 22, 2015 at 17:56) (Below Threshold)
 It's 3 pounds heavier than my nomad. No thanks.
  • 14 3
 I LOVE MY NOMAD!! I've beat the living crap out of it almost everyday for the last 8 months. Here's my list of matience from thrashing on this bike on the shore, Squamish, whistler and the park almost everyday.
Ditched the XTR brakes for saint after 2 weeks. The xtr were awful. 3 DU bushings replaced so far. 2 rear end tear downs/grease all pivots. 1 headset disassemble and grease. 1 fork service. A dozen tires. 1 rear wheel.
The bike has been near flawless. Rides the hard tech almost as good as my DH bike, way more fun on the flow/jump trails than the DH bike and is light enough to take on 7hr Pemberton rides.
If you don't want to spend the money, then maybe the YT is for you but I can tell you that the Nomad is a beast. Best bike I've owned. Are mountain bikes over priced?...yes. I've never regretted buying something I truly loved. Especially something I use everyday and brings me such happiness and health. Oh...did I mention threaded bottom bracket?!?!? Buy the best bike you can afford and ride the living shit out of it!!! Followed by high fivers and beers!
  • 7 0
 ... I guess you're XTRs were made out of recycled newspapers and apple cores because mine are awesome.
  • 2 0
 * your
  • 4 0
 That's what I get for posting first thing in the morning.
  • 2 0
 @EITaco I showed them my receipt for the US dollar price tag of approximately $4600. They did the conversion and bringing it into Alberta, I only had to pay the GST of 5% ($280).
  • 2 0
 Alberta is alone in being the only canadian province without a provincial sales tax...though that might not last with the hit to the oil royalties the provincial government is now facing (and after decades of conservative rule miss-managing the sovereign wealth fund that was supposed to bank the royalties and grow it into something akin to the funds in finland and alaska that makes so much in interest that the citizens get checks each year, or free university education and so forth...).
  • 2 0
 My wife has many horror stories of friends getting hassled for everything of value upon re-entering Canada. They go after jewelry, even obvious engagement rings, clothes, brand name luggage, wine, anything that looks like a luxury item. They will demand to see a receipt to show that it was purchased in Canada. All it take for a bike to cost you much more than the duty is for a knowledgeable CBO officer to get a bee under his or her bonnet and there goes your Nexus card ... that being said I bought a new bike in Whistler, and got not a single question at all from the US side as we drove back south.
  • 1 1
 @BScotty and @deeeight Ah yes... here in beautiful Ontario, we have this lovely tax called HST, which is a nice, whopping 13% of fun, joy and smiles. I think it's like @JackSB said, the authorities at the border seem to be more concerned about luxury items, while a bike is just a bike. It would most likely be much easier to sneak one across the border than most other items.
  • 2 0
 Try it and see how it goes for you.
  • 2 0
 Ah yes, import taxes... here in Europe it's a lovely 15% for a bike, unless, that is, it has "ball bearings" (whatever that means), in which case it's 14%; parts however pay only 4.7% (except for tubes and *new* tires, which are 4%. Used ones? 4.5%...), which leads to some interesting questions. But wait, that's not all: you'll also pay VAT (over 20% typically) on parts AND shipping, etc., plus handling fees (a few dozen euros).
  • 2 0
 All those numbers look so painful and convoluted. If only things could be simpler. I realize that taxes are there for a reason, and a good deal of the money goes to good use, but so much is also wasted and used to line the deep pockets of greedy, fat politicians. Long live bureaucracy...
  • 1 0
 Are you sure there's no Canadian distributor? I just went to the YT tent at Crankworx and they distribute out of Quebec?

Just curious how recent your info is from.
  • 1 0
 Pretty sure they take tons of photos of your vehicle when you leave the country and compare them when you re-enter.
  • 84 21
 Can we call it the one of the best reviews in Pinkbike history? Well written, Comparative, informative, Nomad is dead. Dear Santa, since it is still 6 months to Christmas, please stop the work with Bronson+ and get your elves to make me a 29er Nomad.
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flag spaced (Jun 22, 2015 at 5:03) (Below Threshold)
 How about not make a 29er nomad. Some of us want some playfullness in our enduro (or whatever) bikes. Even the spesh 29ers are good on trail but can feel bad.
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 Show me your playful style first, then we can talk about a bike that excells/hinders your performance Big Grin #askjankilinski
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 29 Bronson makes more sense to me.
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 ...and while you making this 29er, please, make it just a little bit longer.
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 @WAKIdesigns ehhh so because I'm not a pro I don't get to have a personal preference in bikes?A 29er won't hinder my performance but it will be less fun (again FOR ME). So do I have to be a pro to have fun? I'm not living in the alpes so something more agile will serve me better on trails that are slower and more twisty, not because the bike will be faster but because the bike will feel faster. Also I have a DH bike for the big trails so I want something that will feel more different from my primary rig. Your war against different opinions still continues.
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 spaced, I bet you haven't had the chance to ride an enduro 29er...
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 @gapos999 I had a short bounce so it may not be much and it's a great bike. 3/4 of the cases it feels almost like a smaller wheeled bike. I think some of you think I'm bashing it or saying it's not agile. It's very agile. What i'm saying is it is also more stable and it feels like you are going fast when you are going waaay faster than on smaller wheels. It's good in the alpes and for racing but it is a bit more boring on local trails. Do you get it? It's the sense of speed I'm talking about, not corner or jump agility. That's why for example I still like the old pitch so much.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 22, 2015 at 7:10) (Below Threshold)
 I like it how deep you go into my light-hearted comments. Especially that it is you who came in with a conflicting story. Yes my internet greatness cannot tolerate another opinionated Polish guy here. There can be only one! Schmetterlingen!!!
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 @WAKIdesigns not really as opinionated as you. I stopped going against the common vote in every article a while ago. Don't see how my "story" is conflicting. I like the bike I mentioned but I wouldn't get it because of what bikes I have and how I use them. If I lived in the mountains I'd probably sell one and think about the 29 enduro seriously but that's not my current situation.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 22, 2015 at 7:20) (Below Threshold)
 I can only tell you I have no problem with you... I just like to annoy you because there's a supressed sadist in me
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 @WAKIdesigns I'm not really annoyed. It may look like this because I don't like people who are contrarians for the sake of looking rebelious while not really giving away anything productive. We already almost got a president like that and our politics are full of them so it would be good if at least the biking world was free of that. Better to see people sharing the positive stuff around so people get hyped to ride.
  • 2 2
 Capra gna be closer to nomad C, not CC. Awesome review!
Re sc 29r: I'm sure a revised tallboy is in the works.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 22, 2015 at 8:31) (Below Threshold)
 I was pro Nomad 29 are you talking about? I like Capra, totally. Never rode one, probably never will. My unfounded sympathy is filling the bits of your computational device as you read it. I really think you should write an article about me.
  • 5 1
 politics and bikes - sounds like a practical discussion with a rational ending.
  • 52 1
 Dear Santa. Bring me one of these badass motherfuckers for christmas. I have been good RickTheHuman
  • 51 2
 Ah, did he just finish by saying that BOS isn't worth the(or any) extra money over Rockshox?
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flag iamluke (Jun 22, 2015 at 1:24) (Below Threshold)
 bos on yt could be (internet rumors) OEM and is probably not as good as original bos products.
  • 57 8
 And SRAM is paying the mortgages of all the staff writers at Pinkbike*
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 *allegedly
  • 56 5
 It's Pinkbike, they love to SRAM things down our throats.
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 I get it though, ease of service, almost all SRAM components have how to videos to maintain and rebuild their products. I truly do appreciate this.
  • 8 2
 I'd chose Pike and Monarch for sole purpose of being able to buy seals... BTW I thought it was Fox paying for suspension product of the year...
  • 5 0
 For what's is worth - The BOS fork takes Fox 34 seals.
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 @mikekazimer Any thoughts on the difference between the 170 Deville and the 160 Deville FCV spec' don the Race model?
  • 4 2
 I'll concede a BOS shock might not feel smooth over chatter, but the flip side is it also won't flinch no matter what chunder you stupidly plow through. I've found you don't get mid corner wallow or blow through the travel like certain other shocks might have a tendency to do. I'm personally more interested in how my shock behaves when things are getting hairy, not how it behaves on groomed trails or carparks.
  • 1 0
 But he specifically says the suspension was very composed, the Pike/Monarch combo wouldn't necessarily offer that same performance...
  • 1 0
 I've got one of these and switched to a pike when the fork had some issues. Short story is that the deville's performance is pretty much the same as a Pike, not worth the extra money at all.
  • 50 1
 A comparison on PinkBike? Thought I'd never see the day :o
  • 31 4
 i'm more interested in how he managed to get a "few months" out of an e thirteen bottom bracket. or freehub body for that matter.
  • 13 2
 Put Hope springs in your freehub, makes it 1) louder and 2) reliable
  • 15 2
 I have the Capra from 2014, also with the E*13 hubs. After 1 year the bearings in the hub began to fail, but after contacting the customer service, I got an complete overhaul of my hubs. Ever since I'm so pleased with those hubs - give those guys a second chance, their components are some of the best I've ever ridden!
  • 8 0
 * and not only with the hubs, the rims are really, really good too!
  • 3 0
 My E13 hub pawls went last week on my Capra Comp1. Its still under warranty and from what ive read YT will sort it. Im still very pleased with the bike and it more than compensates for my meagre bike skills. I like the Nomad but the price gap was to big to ignore.
  • 5 0
 Strange, I've been on the same e13 bottom bracket since 2012, maybe I'm just lucky? I do take my bike apart regularly and clean/ lube it.
  • 3 1
 I'm still trying to decide between a Capra and a Tues, but what complicates things is having to budget for removing all the e13 crap off it and buying something decent to replace it. I've got an e13 crank on my Morewood Kalula and it's great until it rains, couple of wet rides and the b.b. bearings are gone, shockingly bad considering I'm riding dh and so hardly turn the pedals anyway.
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 Those E13 TRS race cranks are pretty average. Mine didn't come installed correctly from the factory - missing a spring washer on the drive side. They use a stupid plastic threaded expanding spacer to preload the bearings and tension the crank shaft, which failed due to the added play from the missing washer. Then the crank bolt cracked. The crank bolt is not self extracting and you need to use an old ISIS crank puller or similar to get them off, its like E13 are copying truvativ designs from 1998. Also the BB creaks badly - stupid PF30 BB standard should stay on road bikes where it belongs. Review also forgot to mention cranks are only 170mm long due to BB being too low, lots of pedal strikes in technical terrain. I replaced the cranks and BB with something else after about a month of getting the bike. The Capra is a great bike but best buy a model with rockshox suspension and sram drivetrain components.
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 What I perceive: the ride quality of the Capra might be equal to the Nomad, which costs almost double the price (also the trail bike of the year 2015, therefore is set as the benchmark), and these might be not so good news. Hence, the comparison.
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 Maybe I'm missing something (and it would not be the first time if I am), but isn't the Nomad only $400 more than the Capra, not 'double the price'? The Capra seems relatively on par with the Nomad C in terms of build and weight. Yes the Capra comes with BOS and an X01 mech, but I personally don't find those to be huge 'upgrades.' Yes the Nomad CC is $1,400 more, but it's cherried out and almost 3 pounds lighter, and as insane as it sounds, 3 pounds for $1,400 is actually not a bad deal in this sport. Plus you get the proven quality carbon layup of Santa Cruz.

YT definitely comes in as a great value, but I dont think it's necessarily that huge of a bump up from the Nomad in that regard. Either way, these are two totally awesome bikes, and I'd be insanely stoked to own either one of them.
  • 2 1
 Yeah. They're both sick.. Take your pick.
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 Trust me when I say the weight is not that big of a deal, at least not worth $1400 to me. I did 4000ft of climbing in just under 20 miles yesterday on an YT Capra AL2 (converted to 1x10, 30x42 low gearing) without an issue.
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 @regdunlop38 That's essentially my take on the comparison as well. And when you take into account that the Nomad's prices also include dealer mark up, it seems like the Capra maybe should have been a little cheaper even. Obviously it's still not a bad deal at all though.
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 I agree with coach Dunlop as well. For me, the history at Santa Cruz and it's experience with CF would have me lean towards the nomad, my own history of owning a nomad and owning Horst link bikes also has me preferring the VIP setup as well.
Hey reg, WHO OWN DA CHIEFS?
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 Lol.. Love the fact you accidentally called your Santa Cruz linkage 'Very Important Person'!
#UpperEchelon
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 @obee1, when you asked that, he probably said "Who OWNS da chiefs".

By the way, the hair here, it make me puke...
  • 2 0
 I’m tired of it! Puke! Blah! All the time, puke!
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 I go to the box and I feel shame. Then I am free.
  • 1 0
 They brought their fuckin toys with them!
  • 1 0
 Fucking machine took my quarter!
  • 1 0
 I don't want any of that stinkin' root beer!
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 I get the feeling either Europe are getting rubbish deals on Santa Cruz or North America are getting rubbish deals on YT because a Nomad isn't even slightly close in price to a Capra in the UK
  • 1 0
 I get the feeling slap shot isn't very popular in GB. YT are new to North America, Santa Cruz are not. And they sell a lot of them, at least where I live.

Either way, after paying you'll for sure say, " f*ck, I lose my blouse".
  • 1 0
 Down this side of the world it's way cheaper for a capra rather than a santa
  • 23 1
 Damn good looking bike...
  • 31 11
 What I took away from this article is that Sensus Disisdaboss grips are ribbed, so they must be for maximum pleasure for him and her.
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 There's no XL size and there seems to be a concensus that the bikes are too small for larger riders.
Mike - at 5'11 you were on a large. What do you think of sizing and (massive over generalisation of body shapes and sizes alert!) do you think the Capra is suited to taller riders than yourself?
All answers will be taken as personal opinion and not legally binding! :-)
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 The Capra Al1 comes in XL
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 www.mtb-news.de/news/2015/06/10/yt-industries-capra-al-1-kommt-rahmengroesse-xl-pm

It's all in German but Google translate or I can tell you that it says the XL version will be available in August.
But only in Aluminium, and August does not necessarily mean August, as they often have delays at YT.
  • 1 0
 @Slimboyjim, wait for next year.
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 i'm really surprised that the reach is only 445mm for a six foot rider on a L for such a capable bike. Was considering the capra but bought an xl commencal meta v4 with a 466 reach (i'm 6ft) and is great for keeping the weight centred and away from the front when the going gets rough and steep, which is what these bikes are made to handle....
sizing appears so off (too short) for so many bike charts in my opinion
  • 1 1
 17.5" rch is not bad for a large. Only a few r longer. .gt, kona, mndrkr, canyon, ..
  • 3 1
 @slimboyjim - I think the size large would be well suited to riders up to 6'2" or so. The reach isn't as long as bikes like the Kona Process 153 or Mondraker Dune, but I wouldn't say it's abnormally short at 445mm.
  • 2 0
 I just got a Large Capra Comp 1 and I'm 6'2". Fits me well. Previous bike is large 2011 enduro, very similar in reach.
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 I have been saying this for over a year. The sizing is way off. People were saying it has a long top tube for it's sizing but from comparisons of other bikes its not true. The XL is barely bigger than the L and is still not big enough for a taller rider. I had this out with Cam Zink, who insisted that there was no XL coming (even though I heard there was) and he informed me that Kelly McGarry (who is my height) is happily riding a L. But what a coincidence that after McGarry joined YT they released the XL...

I was ready to order an Capra last year, but in the end I measured the geometry against some other bikes and it came up similar to most L sized bikes around whoch are WAY too small for me. I'd have to have a stupid length seat post and have a horrible drop to the bars.. Oh well, if they want to be sizest, I'll take my money elsewhere..

By the way, YT clearly are afraid to re-adjust their sizing chart saying that L is still up to 6'4 and XL is for anyone under 6'4. The fact that all reviewers averaged height size up says it all. Easy to size up if your under 6 foot, but people over 6 foot have nothing to size up to!
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flag moroj82 (Jun 22, 2015 at 17:58) (Below Threshold)
 dude, you NEED that drop to the bars. If the stack height was taller, the front would float on the climbs.

I'm 6'3, and it fits perfectly. I could care less that it puts you in a racey, over the bars position.
it fking RIPS.

I have about 6inches between my knees and the bars....don't need a bigger bike.
it's not going to make your fat ass descend better b/c it's more "stable".
the bike is almost identical in fit to a large nomad or enduro.
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 Doesn't matter if the size is the same as a Nomad, Norco Range etc. The difference is they all have an XL option.

I am 6'2". The Capra was too small for me. Thankfully I broke of them & they gave me my money back as they couldn't warranty it in a sensible time.

The proof will be in the pudding soon, when they release an XL carbon frame - we will see if Kerry is still riding a large then. I think we all know what the answer is.

Man, I don't know what it is about this bike, but is seems to generate a HUGE amount of purchase justfication from owners. That combined with the inverse snobbery isn't very pretty reading.
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flag moroj82 (Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11) (Below Threshold)
 It pisses me off b/c I would've bought the bike a year earlier had I not listened to some nonsense about the bike being too small for people around my height.

Then I finally got it, and found out that it fits just fine.
I've ridden this bike on all sorts of gnarly terrain: downhill courses, 30foot kickers, local trails, STEEP climbs at elevation, and it shines on everything.

there's no need for an XL...sure, I could drop my reverb lower in the frame and maybe have like an extra inch of reach, but who cares...
none of those issues affect my ride. I drop my reverb all the way for DH anyhow, and I'd put a 70mm stem on it if I wanted more reach, which I don't...my knees aren't banging on the bars....so I don't see what your issues is... how much do you weigh? 200lbs or more? I hope you're not some fat bastard trying to find a massive bike to fit his hefty ass b/c you're too lazy to get in fkin shape... no bike is designed to work well for 200lb+ riders.

the bike plenty plenty stable....mid air, pointed straight downhill...

do you honestly think an INCH is going to make a massive difference in your riding?

what are you trying to compensate for bro ?
lol
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 @moroj82
I agree : I am 6'3" and my large Spectral suits me fine. Reach is only 10mm more than on teh Capra, and I have my saddle quite forward.
It's personnal preference though. Another 6'3" + rider who likes long bikes will probably have problems with the Capra.
"1 inch = massive diffrence" no, but enough to consider another brand.
The Capra's normal reach is a choice, with pros and cons. Surprising to many, I understand. It seems that people are bitching about sizing because the bike is so appealing and it just doesn't tick the "long frame" box, so guys looking for long frames are pissed.

I disagree : "200lbs or more". Fk you. I am 210lbs without gear, and not because some "hefty ass" and I am in "fkin good shape".
I understand that making only 3 sizes helps them keep the price down, so that's their choice, and they do miss potential buyers because of that.
Do you think the same about boob size? "sorry, but no bra is designed to work well for boobs that big" ?
Some of us are big.

People are different, it is quite irritating to hear what you say, or things like "1x11 is all you need" or "26/29" is all you need".
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 Not a Capra but I ride a YT Wicked 160 ltd, it's a large and probably has similar dimensions to the Capra (I certainly wouldn't expect it to have a longer reach). I'm 6'5" and feel it fits me fine. I sometimes wonder if people try to size up too much with their frames, but then again maybe I've just never ridden a bike that fits me properly (at least not since I was like 16 and a fair bit shorter!)
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flag moroj82 (Jun 24, 2015 at 6:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Uuno 210lbs is overweight if mountain biking is your sport.... That's way too much damn mass to be throwing around at speed. That's a great weight if you're a body builder, boxer, American football player etc...but for an endurance sport??? It doesn't matter if you're shredded and ripped...all that mass isn't going to do squat to help you ride a bike faster. Lots of people whine about the bikes not being big enough or the suspension not good enough, when the problem has nothing to do with the bike and everything to do with the rider. Sorry, but come out to Colorado and try to haul 210lbs up the mountains here, then throw yourself down the trails; you will get destroyed by people w/ less mass. it's simple physics.
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 @moroj82, mountain biking is for everybody - all shapes and sizes are welcome. I don't see how you can tell someone that they're too big to participate - there are plenty of bikes that will work just fine for riders over 200 pounds, and the reason that so many people ask for companies to make XL sizes has nothing to do with their weight - it has to do with their height. Just because a bike works for you doesn't mean it's the be all end all and that everyone else needs to agree.

A little compassion goes a lot further than an elitist attitude about who should or shouldn't be able to participate in this incredible sport.
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flag moroj82 (Jun 24, 2015 at 7:45) (Below Threshold)
 that's all fine and dandy, but when people bitch that it's a problem with the bike.......b/c they think a larger bike will compensate for the adverse effects their mass has on it's handling.... I send my large capra off 15-30foot jumps on a regular basis...it's plenty stable, and I could push the seat back if I wanted an extra inch or two, which would essentially give me an xl reach.

I'm taller than most of the people that claim the capra is too small for their 6 feet 0 inches...
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flag moroj82 (Jun 24, 2015 at 7:57) (Below Threshold)
 I don't think mountain biking is for everyone....this whole push to make it accessible to overweight, out of shape people is the reason we're now dealing with this e-bike BS...

do you really want to see a bunch of 250lb lazy bastards clogging up the trails?

There's a massive difference between mountain bike fit, and gym fit... I'm sure you know that.
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 "all that mass isn't going to do squat to help you ride a bike faster."
You are still assuming that somehow, I have chosen my size and weight. I don't go to the gym, I just ride bikes and play some basketball.
Yes 210 is overweight if you're aiming at the podium, but I'm not. And even if I were, I could'nt go below 200lbs. It's all about having fun (not to mention travelling!), and you are stating that I am not allowed to do so.
I'm not bitching about the bike, I am big, I bought a bike that fits me, and I ride.
That "250lbs lazy bastard" and E-bikes are another debate.

Of course, I'm sure that riding in Colorado would be wayyy too hard for me. Same applies for riding all day long in NZ with a 150mm travel bike, 33t chainring/11-32 cassette. You surely know better than me what I can haul up the mountains.
You are right, I can only ride E-bikes and on flat terrain and all the smaller riders are so much faster than me.
WTF man?
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 Wow, well this escalated nicely, moroj82's true colours have come out here.

Just to clarify on a whole lot of your assumptions. Firstly, what I weigh is irrelevant, but as you seem to have me pegged as a fat wobbler based on nothing but your own weird way your brain works, i'll clarify that i'm 175lbs.

For the record I used mine and raced it, both for Enduro and DH and podium consistently on both in my age category.

Your comments surrounding just throwing a longer stem on to make a bike fit show just how little of an understanding you have of bike kinematics, along with your comment of an inch not making a difference. Lets chuck you on a medium them if an inch makes no difference. Raise the BB an inch, won't make a difference, right?

You are a clueless, obsessed fanboy.
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flag moroj82 (Jun 25, 2015 at 8:35) (Below Threshold)
 exactly HOW was the bike too small for you? and what would an XL frame achieve in terms of your riding?

the only thing that might improve is stability, at the expense of agility.

were you not able to drop the seat enough?

you haven't actually explained anything other than whining about the lack of an XL frame, without giving any concrete reasons why the Large was too small...
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 Capra CF Comp 1 - $4600 with Pike RCT3 and Sram X1. Nomad C with Pike RC and Sram X1 - $5600. $1K buys a lot of beeeeer....
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 haha - in AUS: Capra CF Comp 1 = AUD$5599, Nomad X1 = AUD$8099. Now THAT'S a lot of beeeeer...
  • 5 0
 Either way your supporting two insane companies that take really good care of their riders/employees!
Santa cruz def has the edge in customer serv, mainly due to maturity (yt/usa vry new)
  • 1 0
 Santa Cruz might have great service in the States, but not so elsewhere. In some other places they're ridiculously overpriced and there have been problems with warranty issues not being honored.
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 The santa has major price and warranty issues here to
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 "Think hard - do you really need 170mm (almost 7") of travel for the trails you ride the majority of the time?"

Well done review overall - but frankly, that sentence is the best piece of consumer advice in both this review, and anywhere on pinkbike period. That's a lot of squish, and a lot of stoutness. I see a lot of people who ride super capable bikes who don't get anywhere near those bikes' potential on the descents because of where and/or how they ride.

Compare these sorts of bikes (Nomad, Capra, Enduro) to a capable 5" trail bike, or new-breed short/mid travel progressive 29er trail bike (Process 111, Smuggler, etc.). There's a tradeoff between downhill capability and overall enjoyment. If you're riding pinned down huge lines and routinely get your huck on in a big way, yep, that extra capability is worth the price of admission (harder climbing, less point-and-shoot playfulness). But many people who buy these bikes might be better served by the alternatives. Of course, why should that be any different than people buying the serious off road package for their trucks that never venture onto anything more extreme than the gravel road to the trail head.
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 Agreed.
One thing though : "I see a lot of people who ride super capable bikes who don't get anywhere near those bikes' potential on the descents because of where and/or how they ride. ". Currently riding a 140mm travel bike 90% on flat terrain, and 10% mini DH. So 90% of the time the bike is "too" capable.
But it wasn't more expensive than a 120mm bike, it is my only bike, and I ride with people that are less fit than me so the extra sluggishness doesn't bother me.
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 True, but something the review didn't mention was that the Capra is still quite fun at moderate speeds, for a big travel bike. It's a lively ride with plenty of pop that is still fun to play around with on easy tracks. Other big travel enduro bikes, ie sanction, nomad, reign aren't like that. They are awesome for hauling ass at high speed but have that boring and somewhat sluggish "overbiked" feel at lower speeds on moderate terrain.
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 they must've had dirt in their Kirk, bc mine is plush as can be!! there's absolutely zero stiction. yeah, the review seems biased--like they took the emotion out of it. the Capra has a shorter wheelbase than the nomad and is much nimbler... I don't recall any other nomad reviews saying it has phenomenal climbing performance, only that it climbs well for a bike of its travel. the Capra climbs like a 130mm bike bc it keeps you so supported in the travel.
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 I've got a similarly awesome riding experience with my Capra. I bought a CF Pro Race with Bos package, and the only gripe i've had with it (aside from breaking a seatstay on ride #3 in Whistler), is the silly Mavic wheelset it comes with (that they no-longer make anyway?).
Super solid package... very carvy, great climber, incredible all-mountain performer, and very much an ideal Enduro race platform.
Funny reading all this nonsense on here from people who've never even seen a YT, BOS suspension etc, much less ridden any of this stuff.
Seriously people... save the BS.
  • 1 1
 exactly! damn haters! lol..btw, what carnage did you get yourself into that you broke a seat stay!? I've crashed mine like 5 times, and it's solid as can be!
  • 9 1
 I built up my Nomad 3 for under $5K with Chris King headset, I9 wheels, 1X10 drive train with Wolf Tooth 42 cog, and an MRP Stage fork. Basically all the components and colors that I wanted. Also weighs 28 lbs with fenders and extra gear on it so it could be lighter. If your patient enough and shop around; use rebate sights like Active Junky and others, savings of 20%-30% if feasible. Ridden many FSR bikes, DW's also, but the new VPP leverage on the Nomad 3 is awesome. Great climber and even better descending. I might sound like a broken record but THREADED BOTTOM BRACKET is always a deciding factor for my decision on any mountain bike. Leave the press fit crap for the roadies.
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 Nice looking bike to be sure! However, with the Canadian dollar in the crapper these days, you could pick up a Norco Range C 7.2 for a bit less and keep your LBS in the supply chain.

Edit: applies only to Canadians. Forgot to state that important detail.
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 Allow me to share my experience: that's exactly what I did a month ago. I strongly hesitated between a Capra Comp1 and a Norco C7.2 and ended up negotiating a C7.2 at a LBS for 5865$ CAD including taxes (down from 6380$ + taxes = aprox. 7200$). Had some sizing issues that Norco fixed by replacing the Front triangle (it took a LOT of phone calls and emails but overall Norco customer services delivered). BUT, with the past month exchange rate I could have got the Capra Comp1 for about 5700$ CAD, and the Comp1 has better spec than the C7.2 (Pike RCT3 vs RC for instance). And there're a few legit tricks for border taxes and duties.

I'm all for supporting LBS but honestly they can't match YT's prices even with the current crappy exchange rate. Moreover, my LBS did a so-so job assembling the bike. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my C7.2 and Norco's customer services, which delivers; you have to put pressure but they deliver. Nevertheless, If I could go back in time, I would get the Comp1 over the C7.2. The only thing I don't know is the quality of YT's after sale / customer services.
  • 3 1
 So the only thing you don't know about YT, is the main thing you are complaining about with Norco, the customer service and support.
  • 3 1
 You completely misunderstood my comment, young man. I clearly mentioned that Norco customer service delivers, yet they do under pressure. This does not constitute in anyway a complaint. Go get your Ritalin, concentrate, and re-read my comment.
  • 7 1
 I have this bike. I've been riding it all over California, Whistler and squamish for testing grounds and I can say this bike definitely lives up to the hype. The BOS suspension is easily the best feeling setup I've ever ridden, and that was coming from a Debonair and a Pike.
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 "I'd be inclined to go with the RockShox equipped version for both the ease of service as well as a slightly better suspension feel" did @mikekazimer just said that the Pike has a better feel than the Bos Deville? Blasphemy!
  • 5 1
 "the travel drops to 165mm if the shorter eye-to-eye Monarch Plus rear shock is used instead of the BOS Kirk" Both shocks have the same eye-to-eye length, it's the stroke that changes how much travel you end up with, otherwise it would slacken out the head angle and drop the BB height.
  • 4 0
 Yes the Capra is a very good bike ,just feels a little "slow",and a little low in the front by maybe 10mm,the rest is spot on at least the one I tried the green one in size M,well maybe the handlebar could be a little short either ,but for the pack it's a brilliant bike ,not a racing "enduro"one ,and not an allmoutain or trail bike ,but for the common and ordinary one a very comfy and forgiven bike ,time will tell the rest.
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flag moroj82 (Jun 22, 2015 at 18:02) (Below Threshold)
 the only thing that feels slow is you, bro. this bike is about as nimble as it gets.
  • 2 0
 Like someone said its like a tank pointing it down ,and yes it is but ,ok I'm slow bro
  • 8 1
 Press Fit BB with a thread ? What is the point ?
  • 2 0
 Agreed! Having ridden one of these setups it's more of a pain than a true PF30 setup. Boo.
  • 2 1
 Cost. Press fits are easier and cheaper to manufacture. Cool huh?
  • 1 0
 Yes Press fit are cheaper to manufacture because there's no thread.
But why adding a thread to a design that's meant to be threadless ?
In that case, just simply go with a hassle free threaded BB and please bike companies don't flood us with these dodgy tech !
  • 1 0
 How is it a PF threaded BB? I don't understand how that works....
  • 2 0
 Me neither, would be great if somebody could explain us.
  • 2 0
 You can see what the BB looks like in this picture: www.pinkbike.com/photo/10471520
  • 1 0
 Thanks Mike ! The two shells thread together but no thread on the frame.
  • 3 0
 The BB30 on the Capra is a real weak point. It creaks like a bitch. Since YT have used an aluminium BB insert bonded into the carbon they should have just gone with a standard threaded BB. Cable routing is horrible too, the rear mech cable rubs on the entry and exit points on the swingarm which wears through the cable outer, it's also exposed to rock impact damage under the BB. There's no drain holes through the BB so mud and water getting into the internal routing entry points has no way of getting out of the frame. It's almost like the YT designers are really good at CAD but haven't actually spent much time getting mud on their designs to figure out what works in the real world - but then again that could be said for the designers at pretty much all MTB companies these days. Fashion over function.
  • 3 0
 Surprised there wasn't a noticeable difference when flipping the lever on the shock. I test rode an Orbea Rallon with that shock, and the difference was almost like a lockout. If it felt gritty, maybe it was defective. Looking at the linkage rates for the Capra, I'd be really tempted to try a coil shock if it was my bike.
  • 1 0
 I think it depends on the suspension design. I had a Zesty which behaved very similar to a Wicked I tried. I imagine the Capra is something similar to the Wicked. The case with the shock was the same on the Zesty. Switching the Fox RP23 to the firmest climb setting wasn't a night and day difference but the bike relied less on the pro-pedal platform as opposed to an Enduro for example. It's a very good design IMO.
  • 4 1
 Too much to read, but YT USA is in Reno, Nevada - order online from another sate = No sales tax. Comp CF 1 = 4500 OTD with RS suspension (serviceable anywhere and free tunes at races). I was wanting a Nomad after the reviews on PB last Summer, but I am happy with my choice (Capra CF 1 ) financially, and will receive the bike shortly. Having seen both, I disagree that the Nomad 'looks better' (although the finish of the Nomad is beautiful, so I'd give it a leg up on that) but to each their own. The Capra looks a lot more aggro in my opinion. As a former DH racer looking to ride off into the sunset on a CF Endirto bike, I was happy to read the 'more tank-like than the Nomad' remark. So glad the Zink Bros got the US office running.
  • 4 1
 I rode my 2015 Nomad and demo'd both Capra Pro Race and Capra Comp 1 all back to back at Northstar bike park. I didn't get the chance to pedal the Capra uphill but on the downhill the Capra edges out the Nomad. The Capra had better small bump handling on the Northstar chunder and ramped up better on the bigger hits. I also preferred the familiar Pike/Monarch combo on the Comp 1 over the BOS suspension. I love my Nomad and am totally stoked on it, but if i was in the market right now i would go with the Capra Comp 1.
  • 6 4
 I have to ask a question, why do you always review the top of the range bikes? Surely it would be a better idea to review the bottom of the range bike and work out the faults with componets/suspension/etc and logic would dictate that as you move up the range these problems would be rectified/improved? It would certainly give a better idea to people who want to buy a new bike but can't afford the top bikes.
  • 3 0
 The best option here would be tests with the same shocks (definitely front/ optional rear) and tires. This is what gives u the most of the ride experience.
  • 4 1
 I was thinking these things too, but a few seconds later I could imagine it leading to less useful comments from the reviewers like: "due to the rubbish performance of the forks/shock/whatever component, we couldn't really push the frame to it's limits". So it seems reasonable that testing the bike with high-spec parts lets them highlight any deficiencies in the bike itself.

I think approximately standardising stuff like having a consistent spec of fork and tyres, would allow the reviewer to focus on the bike frame and rear suspension. Not sure if its feasible, but i'd prefer the test the middle-spec available then put their standardised component.
  • 14 1
 They review what manufacturers GIVE THEM FOR FREE to review. Same as every other magazine that does reviews of products.
  • 1 0
 Im pretty sure that Pinkbike could get what ever they asked for. Smile they dont ask for the lowest spec model due to the fact they dont WANT to ride that.

Ruffletron, the idea of standardising equipment on tests is agood idea, but like you say hard to make feasible due to people having different personal prefferences. Shame cos that would give the best frame comparison really!!
  • 1 0
 Well then you're pretty wrong because that's now how the magazine review industry works.
  • 5 0
 YT - make a frame-only option and you'll be getting my business. Oh, and don't make it $3000, because that's ridiculous.
  • 3 0
 For those of you in the USA that are interested in chatting w/ owner YT owners:

Other, real owners, are the best source of feedback on these bikes:

www.facebook.com/groups/109591076043568
  • 6 1
 "bike shops hate us, customers love us" -YT



(They didnt actually say this, i made it up, dont sue me)
  • 2 0
 I have a Capra CF Race Pro I took delivery of 5-6 weeks ago and am loving it. I've sold off the Mavic wheels, fitted it with a nice set carbon wheels and I'm very happy with the bike thus far. I also ride a SC Solo and previous to the Capra had an Enve/XX1 Bronson, an Enve XX1 Nomad3 and a XX1 Nomad3. The Nomad3 is an awesome bike of course but I think the reviewer is spot-on on everything - the Nomad climbs 1-2% better, the Capra is radder downhill and in burly stuff. I do think he's a tiny bit off on the handling in tight stuff as I feel in tight twisty stuff and on switchbacks, they are pretty much the same or the Nomad feels even a bit longer. The value of the Capra is great and I'm hoping to see more success, innovation and awesome builds of the YT bikes. Oh, did I mention the BOS Kirk and Deville? So rad! I like the Deville better than the Pike and the Kirk is waaaaay better than the RS Monarch Plus - the Vivid Air might be nice but I can't comment as I haven't tried a Nomad3 with that shock.
  • 2 1
 I'm looking that both the Capra AL and Stumpjumper as my next trail bike. I really like the Capra with it's low price and great part specs. I also just looks awesome. Though I'm worried that it'll be to much bike to use for trail riding. Really wise YT offered a 150mm travel bike.
  • 11 1
 Just pump it up a little harder and pretend it's only 150
  • 4 1
 The Stumpy is a trail bike, the Capra is a tank. Check out geo numbers, it's not about the travel.
  • 2 0
 Well just pretend it is
  • 1 0
 For the past 4 years my summer bike of choice has been my beloved Giant Anthem for my local trails over my bigger travel bikes,that all changed this year after I bought a Capra Comp 1.I've only ridden the Anthem once this year as the Capra is now my default choice.Don't be put off by the bikes travel numbers as it rides high due to the progressive/supportive nature of the rear end and only uses the deeper travel as and when required .It's good FUN.
  • 2 0
 Not sure where in Oz you are, but I take my Capra AL1 out to Lysterfield and have a ball on their jumpier/rockier/bermier trails. Am I using the full capabilities of the bike? No. Never maxed the suspension except when coming up short on a double. Still lively enough IMO.
  • 1 0
 I'm from Melbourne too. I mainly ride You Yangs, Lsyterfield, Buxton and Mt.Buller when its not winter. I've managed to test ride the 2015 stumpjumper comp 650B really like it which was a bit of a surprise with all the average reviews of it out there. I also test rode the 29er Enduro but didn't really get along with it. I don't think the 29er is really for me. Finally I've also tested the Intense tracer 27.5 really loved it but intense is just over priced here in Australia and it's out of my price range. Thanks for for the advice guys I'll try and throw my leg over Capra before I decide.
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 @mikekazimer - I appreciated the work done however I've been waiting for this review 2 years and sadly this read leaves a bit irritated. For the bike that has been one of the most widely discussed on plenty of forums, portals etc (in opposite to Nomad than maybe 5 people can afford) it's written little bit without emotions, and does not seem to cover the topic to extend than many would like to see.

Could you please be more specific when you say that RS has "slightly better suspension feel" than BOS? Does it ride better in turns, on rough ground, going better up or down or the stickers would make me fell better? Bottom line - would it outperform Nomad even more?

Climbing - I'm reading this and I still do not understand what you are trying to say. And this is topic which particularly bothers most people - sorry but after 2 years everyone knows now that Capra goes down like a bomb but it's a ability to climb - or at least how they advertise it - that makes the difference. Could you please tell what are the lighter and livelier bikes out there which you put the 13,1kg Capra up against? Excluding mentioned Nomad, I hope that you were thinking (unfortunately not writing) about bikes with the same DH capabilities - otherwise this statement makes no sense especially that right after there are only good things you mention about.

Cheers
  • 3 0
 I have the CF Pro and I have to say for a 160mm+ bike without a lockout on the fork it climbs about as good as its going too...in the grand scheme of things it climbs like shit...however for a 160 bike it climbs pretty damn good, lot better than my 2012 Enduro at least.
  • 1 0
 Thanks mate, much appreciated :-)
  • 6 1
 The Yt is awesome but I hate to say it, that nomad looks bad as you like.
  • 3 0
 While yes it is an amazing deal you do have to remember that it's buyer direct, not a bike you're going to find at your LBS, unlike the Nomad.
  • 3 0
 My CC DBAir had a gritty feel to it when the oil became emulsified. That Kirk may have needed a rebuild... even if it was brand new.
  • 1 0
 Could be. It's not the first time I've heard problems with BOS' bio-oil.
  • 1 0
 Might have seen this very bike up in Whistler a few weeks ago locked up outside Fanatyk and someone was riding one recently in Squamish. Took some time to give it the once over in Whistler because I had never seen one in the flesh and it looked like a high quality piece of kit. I wasn't ballsy enough to hop a leg over it to check the sizing. Smile
  • 1 0
 Well don't forget that the Capra has a little flaw ,and that is muddy clay terrain the back has little room for that (and so as the pike )except that, only time will tell how the pivots will last and all the rest like the chain when in the 10toth cassette ,time will tell ,the rest of the components if they fail aren't yt fault ,like I said it's a spot on bike great geometry ,great value and it appears to be a good quality too so let's get ready to rumble
  • 2 1
 Super weary of buying anything from YT based on their horrible customer service. Huge delays, conflicting messages, no apologies and a lot of wasted money and time from my side. Yes they have the reviews but based on the hassle of simply trying to buy a bike, let alone return anyhing to do with warranty issues I would rather go for other brands. My experiences with Santa Cruz on the other hand are extremely positive
  • 5 1
 mmh 4 way comparison to include Mondraker Dune and Canyon Strive?
  • 5 1
 I wonder if YT accepts kidneys as payment.
  • 1 0
 Debating whether this is too much bike for me. Hard to argue for the price. The Orange 5 I'm going to demo is just under double the price of the AL1 yet the YT spec wipes the floor with it.. Decisions.
  • 4 0
 I wouldn't mind a little bit on what it means to "need" a certain amount of travel, or type of bike. How steep is steep enough, or rather, how slow can things get before you really start to suffer for being on such a bike?

What I'd really like to see is for Trailforks to incorporate bike data. People could enter what bike they used on a particular trail and maybe rank on a scale of 1-10 how appropriate they felt the bike was for that trail. After a while the best-ranked bikes would give people an idea of the bikes others like most on the trails you ride. Well...okay, it's a fair idea I guess but nobody would ever actually use it. I sure wouldn't.

At the very least, maybe reviewers could actually name a few trails they rode that really made the bike shine, and a few that weren't as great for it, and we could check 'em out on the trail databases to get an idea.
  • 1 0
 I suppose it differs from person to person.

Someone may like less travel, they might like picking the smooth lines out and benefitting on the climbs with a lighter/more efficient bike.
Others may want the bigger travel rigs so they can steam roll through things and then take the hit when ascending.

I think I want something in between.. One way to find out is test, test, test! If only YT did regular demo days!

Anyone got a L Capra in the North of England I could have a try on.. ? Thought not..
  • 3 1
 the tester also said he runs the Kirk almost completely open, which isn't something BOS suggests at all--I have mind around 12-15 for LSC/HSC
  • 1 0
 12-15 is only 8 and 5 clicks from fully open, respectively, which isn't a massive difference from how I ran it. It's a matter of personal preference as well.
  • 2 0
 15 clicks is 15 clicks from fully open, not 8 or 5... 30 clicks total - 15 = 15 from fully open.

fully open = 0 clicks. so the only way that would made sense is if the kirk only has 8 clicks total for the range, which isn't true at all.

not sure i'm following you.
  • 1 1
 @moroj82, it looks like I misunderstood your settings - I thought your numbers were number of clicks from fully closed. BOS recommends running 15 clicks of LSC from the fully closed position, and 12 clicks of HSC from the fully closed position.
  • 2 2
 also, for anyone wondering about the sizing:

I'm 6'3, with a 34 inseam, and the bike fits perfectly.

there's about 8in b/t my knees and the bars--way more than my xc bike ever had.

the only thing you'll really notice is the drop from seat to bar if you're tall like me.

ask Kelly McGarry what size capra he prefers. he' s 6'4.
  • 4 0
 "ask Kelly McGarry what size capra he prefers. he' s 6'4."

He hasn't exactly got any choice!
  • 4 4
 When comparing the Nomad to the Capra, there are a few things to keep in mind to make sure we are looking at apples to apples:
A Nomad C (a Chinese made frame) comes with a lower spec Pike (RC) and a comparable build kit to a Capra CF-1 (Taiwan frame, Pike RCT3) which costs $4600, that is a difference of $1,000.

If you want a direct comparison, you have to line up the Nomad CC to the Capra CF-1, your price difference then grows to $2,000.

Both bikes are awesome and in the end we will buy what is most appealing to us, just want to make sure we have all the facts straight.
  • 2 2
 don't forget the MSRP on nomads and any other LBS bike doesn't include the $500-800 you'll pay in sales tax.

I wanted a giant reign advanced 0, which is around $8k, then our %10 state/local sales tax would drive that up to nearly 9 fking grand!!! no thanks!
  • 1 0
 Hey can you help me? Which one do you at Pinkbike think pedals better, Antidote Lifeline, Capra, Enduro 29er or Nomad? What order would you put them in? Thanks a lot !!! Good review!!!!
  • 1 0
 I'd have given this a serious look when I bought my Nomad, but this was last fall and Nomads were just way easier to get a hold of. YT will have a winner if they can get more US availability.
  • 1 1
 We got both. My wife bought a YT and I got a Nomad. Basically they are the same bike. The only reason I didn't get a YT is because I wanted to build up a bike to my own specs. YT does not sell just the frame. It's great that YT sells complete bikes but they should also sell just the frame. I'd have a YT myself if they did that.
  • 2 1
 You could probably buy the bike then sell the parts and get the frame for free...
  • 2 0
 Been waiting for this reveiw for ages. The fact that it had a comparison with the nomad as requested was sweet as. Thanks Mike.
  • 3 0
 Would love to try out some bos products for myself
  • 3 1
 I read this article hoping to find out a little more about BOS too. I've just bought a second hand Deville and, whilst I've not ridden it in anger yet, it seems very plush in a 'car park' test... Saying that, given the comparison was with an old Fox Float evolution(I.e. Non Kashima/latest seals) fork, the latest Fox may be similar for all I know. My friend has a current version of the Pike and the lack of breakaway is similar...
There seems to be a large number of positive reviews here in Europe though, citing that it has excellent mid stroke support and big hit capabilities. Just don't go looking for stories about customer support as it'll scare the life out of you! I got mine cheaper than the equivalent Fox though, so took a punt!
  • 7 1
 I've used a Bos Deville for 2 months now...i have only one phrase for you...."it feels like you're cheating"
  • 1 0
 Is the Deville low maintenace as claimed? Info/reviews for this fork are scarce and pretty mixed.
  • 1 0
 In my humble opinion, If you ride 4 times a week in an agressive way, with bad weather and mud, you have to do manteinence every 6 months. If you ride only weekends and you take care of cleaning your fork when you finish riding. Then you could do service every 2 years! @dirtdoctor
  • 3 0
 Awesome review Mike, and thanks for the comparison!
  • 3 0
 I need one as my Tues feels lonely in the shed
  • 4 2
 Nice Pinkbike! could we have a review on the Tues Pro please>?? Thanks..
  • 1 0
 how does it compare to single pivot frames with equivalent geometry, in terms of downhill, livelyness, playfullness, pop etc?
  • 1 0
 Design is very reminiscent of my '06 Enduro. And that is not a bad thing Smile
Good looking bike, hard to beat that spec for the $.
  • 5 2
 PB, it would be great if you could include the Weight in kg. Thanks!
  • 1 1
 This (luckily in popper metric system) is visible on YT web page (in opposite to Specialized i.e....) - 13,1kg for the reviewed model without pedals

www.yt-industries.com/en/products/bikes/enduro/225/capra-cf-pro?c=92
  • 8 1
 Use google ya lazy lump. It's like 13.something.
  • 1 0
 I love riding my goat. The bike is so capable and feels at home on any trail, doesnt matter if it's an XC trail or a full on DH trail. The goat rocks!
  • 3 0
 Not a word on the fork? Brakes?
  • 2 0
 Well reviewed Mike Kazimer! I like the how you've compared the bike's competition directly, more of this please!
  • 1 0
 The YT Capra halfling (god particle and alum) is not a good value at all. You can get a well speccd 2015 Intense Tracer, Spyder or Carbine that is Full Carbon for less.
  • 5 4
 Best looking bike ever. And one of the best in its category. If I had the money I wouldn't hesitate.
  • 1 0
 @mike for someone who's never ridden a carbon bike, is there a huge difference alu and carbon? Thanks in advance!
  • 3 2
 Nope, having owned and tried a substantial set of bikes I can say that carbon frames aren't a huge difference from a performance standpoint (just look at how well Alu DH and Enduro bikes like the Fury and Patrol go). However, from a ride quality perspective carbon does ride much nicer, its vibration damping ability makes the ride much more pleasant and helps smooth out the trail and keeps you feeling fresher. That's why I've got both a Capra CF comp and Tues CF pro on order =D
  • 3 2
 I've had many carbon and aluminium bikes, and I'd say that the only time that carbon is essential is for hardtails and roadies.
  • 2 0
 looks like i maybe getting the carbon version then. thanks for the info!
  • 3 0
 FINALLY!
  • 5 3
 I've had one for a year now..... believe the hype! The Capra is awesome Smile
  • 3 1
 Can we have a review on the capra alu models
  • 3 1
 My son has an AL1 and I have the Pro from 2014. Other than about 1 pound difference in weight, and a touch higher bottom bracket height on the Pro, they are practically identical in performance. The AL1 is such a bargain, and he totally loves it.
  • 1 0
 cheers notphaedrus
  • 10 8
 Nice bikes the Capra's but... naaaaaaaaaaaaaah I still prefer my Nomad Smile
  • 6 1
 Agreed, cheaper for a reason. I'd still take a nomad anyday and pay the extra.
  • 7 6
 Why do you post a link to pictures, that are a year old?
Did you see the new frames?
All issues solved.
There were mainly paint cracks and the dropout area is redesigned.
There have never been any compelte failures of the frames.

BTW.: I've seen a few cracked (and by that I mean a completely separated donwtubes) SC's in the past few days...
  • 2 1
 Just pointing out that they had teething problems originally... How is that not relevant? Wink
  • 2 1
 Haven't heard of any issues about the frames of new version Nomads myself... Do you have any links?
  • 3 2
 It's not relevant because that was the 2014 bike and this review is of the 2015 bike. You're trying to justify paying double for a bike that the reviewer is splitting hairs over and almost everyone who actually owns one in the owners thread is in love with.
  • 4 3
 I don't need to justify anything mate!... As I said originally... "Nice bikes" those Capra's... "I just prefer" my Nomad! Wink

Hmmmmmmmmmmm... It's interesting that Sindarfin hasn't posted in any other threads other than YT Capra threads! No bias opinions there at all lol! Big Grin
  • 5 0
 A brave man, going against the YT fan boy fest. Although, I'll agree with you on that. Also, gonna have to disagree with the review, and after having spent a fair bit of time on both, the Nomad is the more capable descender, by a fair margin, and a much more efficient climber. Capra jumps better though.
  • 2 4
 And Morrrice has only ever made 5 posts... Almost like 'sock puppet' accounts Big Grin
  • 1 3
 Hey Morrrice!.... This is for your pleasure while your searching for proof on your comment of those many SC fails... youtu.be/xreZdUBqpJs
  • 4 2
 Ah the good ole I've been an internet warrior longer than you argument. Carry on.
  • 2 1
 I think you mean contributor... Wink
  • 5 1
 What relevance is the year? it's the same frame with different paint on it.

@Morrrice - if you are making statements about no cracked frames, you're talking rubbish. I've cracked 2, and all you have to do is read the Capra owners post on here - there are PLENTY of cracked frames (front and rear).
  • 5 4
 @SGTMASON,i just Googled cracked Nomad frames, there's a few on there. I've had a cracked Capra frame, which was replaced, bike rebuilt, no big deal.
Google cracked V10 , there's frames which are snapped in half. You paid double for a Big Brand Name.The review judges the two bikes to be virtually the same
I was going to buy a Nomad but i could not get a demo in L/XL, great dealership going on there Eek I test rode a Rallon which impressed with the Bos, and was willing to take a chance on the Capra. So basically we have similar bikes, but mine came better speced and for a lot less. So you can gloat as much as you want, but it's all just sour grapes.
  • 5 0
 @pigman65 Ya know, your logic applies equally to you buying the Capra, you could just as easily argue the Nomad has better geometry, better suspension kinematics, and better build quality, which is worth the extra price. Also, this ZOMG!!! NOMAD IS TWICE THE PRICE!!! is only for the morons who buy complete bikes at full retail. The Capra is priced about what a bike should cost, if you're willing to look for deals. I've built a top spec nomad, including good (i.e. not generic chinese rims) carbon wheels for 5k.

And as another note: YT is expensive compared to Norco. Norco Range Carbons start at 1k less than a Capra. So anyone who bought a Range can also be laughing their ass off at your for spending too much.

Or maybe this whole argument is stupid, and people should ride what they like and stop giving a damn what other people spend on their bikes.
  • 4 2
 I never gloated mate! Nor have I felt sour grapes...
I actually said.............................. "Nice bikes the Capra's but... naaaaaaaaaaaaaah I still prefer my Nomad"...
I think its plain to see that, that's me complementing the Capra's, followed by my personal preference for the Nomad still... Wink

Funny though how if I Google search 2015 Santa Cruz Nomad cracked frame...
www.google.com/search?q=Nomad+2015+craked+frames&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=2015+Santa+Cruz+Nomad+cracked+frame

I don't see forum threads or photos or reports of cracked 2014/2015 frames?

and then do the same for 2015 YT Industries Capra cracked frame...
www.google.com/search?q=2015+YT+industries+Capra+cracked+frame&biw=3440&bih=1282&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=_UWIVav_EYSMsAGK-J6IDg&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=1

Viola! A forum thread and photos of 2014/2015 cracked Capra's...

Amazing thing the internet! Wink
  • 2 2
 Oh there is this!
www.themountainbikelife.com/2014/08/war-warranty-sure-fire-battle-plan-get-results.html

But as you can read, it was down to the rider crashing and hitting a rock badly.
Also even though it was really accidental damage, after he submitted a claim under warranty on a Friday... He had a new swing arm by the following Wednesday... Riding again by Thursday.

Not too bad of a report really! Wink

(its actually a really great article on warranty/added cover protection and how one should deal with stuff of that nature)
  • 2 2
 Okay then this would be my 6th post, I guess.
Normally I dont post comments, because of... I just don't care.
Thanks for the links in your last post, @SGTMASON !
BUT (you know there had to be this word):
All the pictures you find of Capras that have cracks somewhere are 2014 models.
(The grey one with the cracked seatstay is the Comp 2 of 2014, because now they have a different seatstay design. The green one, because the BB/Chainguide area is now either paint-free, or has a bolt on ISCG-Tab [yes you can find all that in the internet too, but I'm too lazy to look it all up, right now])

So as this is a review of the 2015 model, I don't think that it is adequate to post links and pictures from former bikes/versions of the bike.
This would be like posting links to pictures of a 1970's Ford Mustang under the review of the new 2015 Fort Mustang.
Same Brand, same model, but totally different things. (although this is a bit more exaggerated, but I think you'll get the point)

Nevertheless, I like that there are users who have their own opinion on products.
Otherwise there would be only the industry-marketing and all would be great and issue-free.
Nothing is issue free.
It's only a matter of how the company deals with it!

So these are my 2 cents.

I'll leave it with that.

I don't know when my 7th post will come... but it will be legen... -wait for it- ...dary!
(Or maybe not... you never know!)
  • 2 0
 @Morrrice

How many times. You don't care, yet you care enough to write a load of crap, again?

Other than a running early change on the seatstay (which did crack by the way & wasn't just paint flaking as you put it) there have been no changes, get the whole frame model year thing our of you head - it's making you look like an idiot. The only difference is they are a different colour now.

Plenty of cracked frames out there, plenty of them being replaced. It's not hard to find them. Do you want me to put up the pictures of both of mine the cracked?
  • 1 1
 Oh thank you for this well placed and helpful answer to my reply.
I see that you, as an affected YT-Owner, may have a slightly different view to cracked frames.
I never said, that the seat-stay were just paint cracks, as you can read in my post above.
Actually, there are three (running-)changes in the frames from 2014 to 2015:
#1 Dropout-Design of the Seatstay. (former cracking part is cut away)
#2 ISCG-Tab now bolt-on-style, or non-painted
#3 Headset now IS, instead of ZS

But thank you to say my post makes me look like an idiot.
I will think about that, before I post next time.

But would you please be so kind to let us all know, how YT dealt with your cracks?
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 The first one took 7 weeks to get repaired, the second they couldn't give me a confirmed date for a replacement front triangle after 4 weeks of waiting. After countless emails and phonecalls I got so so angrey I gave them a mouthful of abuse down the phone and they agreed to refund me. My friends bike cracked in the same place as my second one which was by the front shock mount and he waited 10 weeks for a replacement! the whole thing was a joke. He has a 2015 blue frame now but all the paint has started to crack underneath the headtube. It looks like its cracked where others have in the same place. Hes lost the plot over it now because hes going to potentially write the summer off riding waiting for a warranty frame.
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 Great review, informative and the comparison was a good idea.
  • 2 0
 Compare it to the new reign ?
  • 1 0
 my buddy has the reign. the capra is much more nimble. his medium reign is about an inch longer in wheelbase than my large capra.
  • 1 0
 I'll sum up this and every other bike review in this genre for you: "this bike is sweet for its intended purpose!"
  • 1 0
 Surely a Bronson+ should fit 27.5 + & 29er wheels which gives more choice on set up anyway?
  • 2 0
 Why no component check on the SRAM Guide brakes?!?!
  • 1 0
 great brakes, and I'm coming from XTR...but they definitely eat pads like there's no tomorrow.
  • 2 0
 God, that bike just looks incredibly fun.
  • 1 0
 Drop dead sexy looking!!! I would rip one of these any day of the week tup
  • 2 0
 Good review!
  • 3 5
 "with a head tube junction that could serve as the prow for some sort of futuristic battleship" Looks like the headtube of the old Gambler ,filled in ,upside down and without the clamping setup.
  • 1 0
 Nice review mike!

Are the Ethirteen wheels easy to setup tubeless?
  • 4 0
 Yes they are, running mine tubeless without any issues
  • 1 0
 cool, what rim-tape did you use?
  • 1 0
 I used the NoTubes stuff, tape and milk and valves
  • 1 0
 I have the CF Comp 2, e*Thirteen TRS+ wheels, the maxxis tires that came with the bike setup tubless really easily, the rims came taped already. Not sure which tape they used, it was red if that helps at all.
The bike itself is amazing, love the way it rides.
  • 1 1
 Is it possible to mount bottle cage below the down tube? It's not ideal, but still better then nothing...
  • 3 0
 Duct tape that bad boy to the top tube! Or get a hydra pack
  • 1 0
 why would you event want to do that? the downtube gets splattered with mud...you really wanna put that in your mouth?
  • 1 0
 **toptube, not bottom. Also, no need to put your mouth on it. Pull it open with your fingers, squirt, close up, then ride.
  • 2 1
 Is the Capra more progressive over the nomad?
  • 3 0
 They're different. Capra is pretty much linear through it's whole travel, Nomad is falling-rising rate.

Graphs here (note: these are leverage ratios, shock rates would be the inverse of this)

Capra:
linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2014/02/young-talent-capra-2015.html

Nomad:
linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2014/04/santa-cruz-nomad-650b-2015.html

While the Nomad does have a falling-rising (shock) rate, both it and the Capra like to sit at ~30-35% travel, so for most big hits they will be progressive over the remaining travel. The Nomad does appear to actually have a steeper final ramp-up than the Capra, while the Capra is more progressive over the midstroke. This leads to the capra feeling more "poppy" throughout it's travel, while the Nomad will like to use a lot of it's midstroke with a harder final ramp-up. What you prefer is up to the rider.
  • 2 1
 abso-fucking-lutely more progressive. holds you up in the travel much better.
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 Thanks @tsheep , i never knew about this useful blog
  • 2 1
 Yet more evidence that @moroj82 is some kind of clueless superfan.
  • 1 0
 Sure @shuwukong , its a useful site for finding out what stuff should work on your bike. What I take from those two graphs is that the Capra has a pretty liner suspension curve, and you'd probably want to stick with an air shock on that bike, maybe even a relatively small volume one (like the Kirk it comes with) to keep the progressive feel. The Nomad on the other hand would do pretty well with a fairly stiff coil shock, and might even perform better with one than it would with an air shock, and if you do go with an air shock you probably want a high-volume one.

Definitely different suspension designs going on.
  • 1 0
 definetly stayin on my radar...
  • 1 0
 how about comparison between Capra vs Sanction ? on downhills
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 Too much to read , I love my capra !
  • 1 0
 Nice bike
  • 3 4
 Direct to consumer is killing the bike shop industry!!! Where are you guys planning on getting your new YT serviced?
  • 3 0
 it will turn bike shops into service and demo centers, and they make most of their money from service, anyways...
  • 2 0
 A head-tube badge means nothing to a real bike shop. Service = Money for them.
  • 2 1
 Nomad
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 5195 USD uff... taxes..
  • 4 7
 I would buy this over the Nomad all day long. But it would be the aluminum version for obvious reasons!
  • 1 0
 To all the carbon sheep out there......read the section that has the word "durable" in it. This comes from Dirt Magazine not me!

ttp://dirtmountainbike.com/reviews/solid-strike-2015-review#qXxLbvldP22Q7Jml.97
  • 1 0
 Sorry my mistake...the word is "outlast"...even better!!
  • 1 4
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