Honestly I don't see any real signs of pedal kickback. Considering these huck to flats have a relatively slow forward momentum and a high vertical momentum, you'd think this is when it would happen. Kind of think pedal kickback is BS.
As a rider who always rides with slow forward momentum, I can tell you pedal kickback is real. I especially feel it on my 2018 Santa Cruz Nomad which has high engagement hubs
Thanks for the video. It was interesting looking at the rear mech and chain in these shots and I can't help thinking it is one of the best adverts for gearbox bikes. The mech all thrown forward and the chain dashed into the dirt on every hard impact is quite apparent in slow-mo.
Maybe 2024 will be the year of the better gearbox bike.
Unless the lower pivot rotates around the crank, a gearbox bike still needs a chain tensioner.
Chain getting slapped into the dirt could still happen with a gearbox.
@Ttimer: This is true. However, the tensioner would only need to account for the chain growth associated with the linkage's kinematics and not chain growth + the difference of 40-ish teeth between the largest and smallest cogs. So the chain and tensioner will be considerably shorter (unless I'm missing something, which is always possible). If I'm conceptualizing this correctly, I think the chain would be about 20 links shorter since only half of cog is engaged at any given instance.
@tremeer023: Also seems like if you didn't have to move the chain side-to-side, you could put more tension on it, further reducing whatever slop there might be. But now I'm really out of my depth.
MAN that MC Contra has the most verticle axle path of anything there. Still want one. 2nd Most wanted is the Chromag Lowdown...Yah the two steel bikes. I swears in any of the steel HTs you can kinda see the top/down tubes flex a bit
(when these were loaded on youtube, there was an option to slow even more, which was useful for seeing some features better. I miss that option, but again, thanks)
I can' remember very well, did PB use different size jumps for the xc vs enduro class? They must have. In "the old days" they jumped a mini cooper car to flat. No way the ultra light bikes gonna come away from that lookin so slick.
Also surprised the hardtails did so well,
It is also annoying when a bike I dont like seems so smooth and composed.
@barp: Lots of trails and mountain unicycles being hucked to flat, don't worry. You just won't see any fork or frame suspension action, which is what these huck to flats are all about.
Every single bike frame seems nice and rigid except for the commensal meta sx near the end, that top tube was way too flexible, the flex was rocking the seat tube. The earlier metas did not seem to have any issues.
Please number next time so we can rate. Anywho, blue pivot is basically super satisfying and super composed. All the #iamspecials not hucked by a ballerina look like noodles.
But imagine if all bikes in store or online were displayed with no air or coil in fully bottomed out mode. This video skews my perception of what is goof aesthetics - mistype there 'good' but goofy is what most of these steeds look like.
@Lumenous1: But showing a bike fully bottomed out doesn't show how it rides both descending, climbing and how the suspension will feel. It does shows some info on how a bike bottoms out and what flexes, but it still doesn't influence my bike buying.
this vid is proof that spez is not special at all. It not its the most unreliable brand out there, Its been for years. The only guys that i havent seen rip through frames are non binary folk doing 5 Km an hour
@lookseasyfromhere: I did go back and watch some more, the HT's hold up pretty well, I guess the fully's do what they are supposed to do , cool to see the bars give on the bikes as well in slow motion.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_TjJQE6Yw
maybe a second hand one but not older than 1-2 years. would be a good fit
The problem is more with the dinner plate cassette requiring a long cage mech and long chain.
3rd is the Canefield. Likes mine chonky but fonky
Are they at the recommended sag with whatever compression settings you used during testing?
Or are you intentionally softening the set up to bottom out?
Can’t imagine @mattbeer riding a 170mm travel bike that’s bottoming out on a 3 feet drop to flat…
(when these were loaded on youtube, there was an option to slow even more, which was useful for seeing some features better. I miss that option, but again, thanks)
Also surprised the hardtails did so well,
It is also annoying when a bike I dont like seems so smooth and composed.
The derailleur and chains...yikes.
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