2018 Fox 36 - First Ride

Apr 18, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  
Fox's 36 didn't receive a massive overhaul for 2018, but that's because it didn't need one. After all, there's a reason it's the most recent recipient of Pinkbike's Suspension Product of the Year award. However, there were a few areas that Fox decided to tweak in order to make the 36 even smoother and more tuneable. The biggest change is on the air spring side, which receives an increased negative spring volume, as well as a simplified design that eliminates a seal and makes it even easier to add or remove volume spacers.


Fox 36 Details

• Float EVOL air spring
• 15x100, 15x110, or 15/20mm convertible thru axle
• 26", 27.5", or 29" options
• Travel options: 27.5” – 150, 160, 170 mm, 29” - 150, 160 mm, 26” - 100 mm (831), 160, 180 mm
• Price: Factory – HSC/LSC $1049, FIT4 $979
Performance Elite – HSC/LSC $959, FIT4 $889
www.ridefox.com


One of the features that sets the 36 apart is the sheer number of available configurations. Looking for a 26” fork with a 20mm thru-axle and 180mm of travel? No problem. How about a 29” fork with Boost spacing and 160mm of travel? That's an option too. And on top of all the wheel size and travel options, the 36 is also available with three different dampers.

Damper Options

HSC/LSC: As the name suggests, this damper offers independently adjustable high- and low-speed compression damping

FIT4: FIT4 has three compression settings and 22-clicks of additional low speed compression in the fully open setting.
Fox 36

GRIP: Currently an OE-only option on the 36, the GRIP damper uses a spring-loaded internal floating piston rather than the bladder design found on the two higher end dampers. There are Open, Medium, and Firm modes, with micro-adjust positions in between those three main settings.



Fox 36


Air Spring Updates

The previous version of the 36 had a thin aluminum rod attached to the air spring side top cap, and adding or removing spacers required removing a tiny o-ring, sliding the desired number of spacers on, and then re-installing that tiny o-ring. It wasn't that difficult of a procedure to accomplish, but it was more involved than just unscrewing the top cap, pushing a volume spacer on and then closing everything back up, a design that was first used on the 34, and has now carried over to the 36.

Along with the simplified spacer installation, the 36's negative spring volume has been increased. Increasing that volume is intended to reduce the initial force needed for the fork to start moving through its travel, and to create a more linear feeling for the first 25% of the stroke. The 36 isn't the only fork getting the EVOL treatment—the 32, 34, and 40 forks will also have an increased negative air spring volume.


Fox 36
The EVOL label refers to the 36's increased negative spring volume.
Fox 36
Adding or removing volume spacers is simpler than ever.


Ride Impressions

The stock color of the 36's lower legs is a flat black, but the 160mm, 29” version that showed up at my doorstep had the bright orange lowers that usually signify that a rider is a Fox athlete. I'm not much of a social butterfly when I'm out on a ride (or ever, for that matter), but when you put a bright orange fork on a red bike it's even harder to fly under the radar, so I started heading deeper into the woods than usual in order to avoid playing 20 Questions with curious riders.

A sticker on the left leg lists the recommended air pressures, along with the suggested rebound settings. The range is fairly broad—it's in 30 pound increments—but it does provide a rough starting point. The recommended air pressures are approximately 5-9 psi higher than what was suggested for the previous, non-EVOL version due to the new air spring volume. I eventually settled on 73 psi and one 10cc spacer for my 160lb weight, with the LSC and HSC a few clicks in from fully open. I'd probably bump up those compression settings a little bit for riding harder packed trails, but because most of my rides involved soft ground, wet roots, and plenty of slippery sections of trail, I was looking for as much traction as possible.


Fox 36
In addition to suggested air pressures, the new chart also has recommended rebound settings.
Fox 36
A 29 x 2.5" tire easily fits, with room to spare.

The 36 was slippery smooth out of the box, and that smoothness was consistent throughout the entirety of its travel. No matter how rough the terrain, the 36 offered up plenty of mid-stroke support, and even when faced with sequential stair-step like sections of trail it never dove deeper than I wanted it to, remaining poised and ready for the next hit. That being said, I did find that my hands felt a little more fatigued after plowing through extended choppy sections of trail compared to the RockShox Lyrik that I'd had on my bike previously.

With the two forks set up nearly identically, I'd say the 36's tune feels more a little more 'race oriented', with support taking a slightly higher priority than overall comfort. Die-hard adherents to the 'stiffer is faster' school of thought will find a lot to love about the 36, while it may take riders looking for gobs of pillowy plushness a little longer to get the 36 dialed in to fit their needs.


bigquotesWhile the updated 36 may not be wildly different than last year's model, the small changes do serve to keep it right up there at the head of the pack, and it's one of the best options around for anyone looking for a fork that remains unflappable at any speed, no matter how rough the trail. Mike Kazimer


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254 Comments

  • + 209
 I like that they're keeping the 26" model! These forks are becoming more and more versatile.
  • + 174
 "Hi Nick, I'm 2017, have we met?"
  • + 16
 this makes me veryy happy, just put a float x2 on my chili and am very impressed, was actually bummed i couldnt get a new 36 to match, now i can!!! Thanks Fox!
  • + 20
 26 wheel in 27 fork, no? Too high?
  • + 17
 @BryceBorlick: It's 1/2" taller at the arch [and likely at the crown], so more clearance for running big/wide tires. I think the offset is the same between 26 and 27 models. The extra height will make the bike about half a degree slacker as well. It's kind of a win-win unless you absolutely do not want to change the bike's geometry.
  • + 100
 @racecase: "Hi racecase, I'm freeride, let me introduce myself"
  • + 52
 @racecase: Meh. My 26" still pedals and goes downhill great. Why upgrade?
  • + 9
 26''..... new air spring..... they will see my money in 2 years.... insert kashima pun here _____________
  • + 2
 @BryceBorlick: yeah go for it, have done it multiple times with fox forks.
  • + 65
 Meh. My Girvin Flexstem still works great. Why upgrade?
  • + 12
 @Thustlewhumber: Just ordered one
  • + 3
 @Thustlewhumber: the flex stem was quite good
  • + 6
 Now lets have a first ride of the 49
  • + 8
 26 160 on my reign 0 2012, keeping it alive!!
  • + 30
 @gonecoastal: don't be silly - everyone wants the 46...

On another note I have 26" 36 VAN RC2 I want to sell it. Perfect condition, ridden only for a year, just been serviced. Complete overhaul. Nobody wants to buy it for more than 100$. Everyone has a big mouth to say what they want, but they never buy it. Just a bunch of whiny asses on the internet. So if you want to put money where your mouth is, buy my fork for 300$.
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm guessing the 26" version exists only in the catalogue. I doubt you can actually buy a real set.
Internet whiners aside - no sane person would spend a grand on an instantly worthless item
  • + 15
 @IllestT: I genuinely think 27,5 was a real a*shole move from the industry. It changed a lot and achieved nothing. But it is here so let's move on and stop behaving like old pitiful pricks saying the world was better when Teddy Roosevelt was in the office...
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: agreed... mostly.
But I think it's naive to say "the bike industry did this or that" like it's a single brain making coordinated decisions. It isn't. The bike industry is 100's of companies, all pushing 100's of ideas. Some stick, others don't, for whatever reason. I think a lot of it is just pot luck
  • + 12
 @BryceBorlick: 26 wheel in a 26 fork... #26aintdead
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: You own the better SC fork ever made and want to sell it? Not a good move for the smarter guy in mtb community...

I own a 2011 36 van RC2 and tested the current 36 and 40's.
36 Van it's smoother than the current 36 and 40 out the box. By miles. 20x110 superboost QR axle. Easier to service. Fits 27.5 and shorter offset work better than longer.

Sell your fancy 27.5 fork and ride your old 36. Easy
  • + 2
 @rcksurfer: You mean the fork has a 20x110mm QR axle system.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: well it actually achieved something. that is to make your bike feel heavier during air time.
  • + 5
 It wouldn't surprise me if Fox was listing that option just to please an increasingly niche market. It doesn't matter whether or not you think 650B is all hype or overrated. The fact is, we're now solidly 3 years into 650b being the standard smaller wheel option. Very few manufacturers offer a 26" trail/all-mountain bike at this point. Most serious riders that are riding on 26" wheels are doing so on bikes that are 3-4 years old or more. Realistically, how many people are willing to spend $1k on a new fork for a 4 year old bike?
  • + 0
 Agreed, also the more affordable Elite option is a welcome addition.
  • + 12
 @WAKIdesigns: ill give you $100
  • + 4
 @TuxTom: I just bought a new fork for my flatline that's almost a decade old
  • + 1
 @TuxTom: Even if I was to upgrade a fork on one of my 26" bikes, I'd be going to a 275 fork. Not only for future proofing but because few current options remain. One of the 26" bikes is a 40 equipped DH bike...
  • + 3
 @racecase: Hi racecase. I'm dirt jump. Do you even get 26" high?

-This was a 'jump on board' comment by someone with 26" and 29".-
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Will it come with a free "Flannelette shirt". I'm assuming that's what a 26'er would wear!
  • + 2
 @TuxTom: I don't know too much about the manufacturing process for forks but seems like it wouldn't be too expensive to tool up for 1 more variety of lowers. Couple that with other people exiting that market segment and it makes sense
  • + 6
 "One of the features that sets the 36 apart is the sheer number of available configurations. Looking for a 26” fork with a 20mm thru-axle and 180mm of travel? No problem. How about a 29” fork with Boost spacing and 160mm of travel? That's an option too. And on top of all the wheel size and travel options, the 36 is also available with three different dampers."

This ↑.
This is consumer choice. Excellent news.
  • + 4
 @orientdave: drops the bomb Wink Couldn't have said it better. Cheers!
  • + 2
 @IllestT: I'm that fool who will spend that grand on this new fork cause my 26in NomadC still better than most 27.5 bikes.
  • + 3
 @orientdave: I've been waiting so patiently and now got my wish, 26" fork, 20mm thru-axe, and 180mm travel!! I thought I will never see the day to say, Thank you FOX! Also, FOX suspension on my Tacoma!!
  • + 1
 @orientdave: let me see who's gonna stock in their shop with over 50 variants of 36's......
  • + 3
 @bogdanc: No shop I know.

Luckily though, there is this thing called 'ordering'; it is really rather useful and my LBS (Ogawa Cycle in Toin in Mie, excellent place) gets on the phone to the Japanese importer for Fox ('Mom and Pops' just up the road in Ichinomiya, Aichi), who get you what you ask for.

Amazing eh?
  • + 1
 @BryceBorlick: 27x2.35 dhf fit in my 2015 fox 36 26er with out a problem....
  • + 1
 @orientdave: good luck then buying at msrp Smile
  • + 0
 @pinkrobe: I'm pretty sure if you put a 26" in wheel in a fork made for a 27 it's going to make the bike steeper, not slacker.
  • + 1
 @TuxTom: When the price of a good frame is 3K and new wheels are 1K it's not simply a 1K "upgrade." Then you'll likely need new cables, hoses, probably new cockpit, or at least stem to get a perfect fit, maybe a new headset if you're like me running straight steerer. So yeah, there's plently of financial reason to keep a great 26 running for a while longer.
  • + 1
 @BryceBorlick: not a problem
  • + 67
 26" option ftw
  • + 50
 And 20mm axel
  • + 1
 @j12j: They've had the 15/20 axle option for a while now.
  • + 5
 Lopped off the 180mm option.
  • + 2
 @seraph: Some people, myself included where concerned it would be leaving.
  • + 2
 @seraph: But they kept it, I was expecting them to go all Boost everything this year, as a certain other suspension brand is in the process of doing.
  • + 12
 Now all y'all 26" will never die folks need to actually step up to the plate and buy a new $1000 fork.
  • - 1
 @seraph: this 20mm option was dropped in 2017 and 2016 I think... Just sold a brand new 20mm Chris King hub to get a boost hub...
  • + 2
 170mm version can be modified to 180mm.
  • + 2
 @OperateEng: Wait, doesn't CK do end caps? Boost and 20mm have the same width even
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: Or not it would prove nothing most of us 26' for life guys would like to buy a new bike with all the latest greatest stuff but we can't afford the price tags. If I had a $1000 lying around for bike stuff I put it towards a newer bike but I just don't have that I am still trying to get my '11 remedy set up as a 1x....
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: I'm in! 26", 20mm axel, 180 Travel....let live!!
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: This a million times, I couldn't agree more. People want to bitch but 26" is dying (or has already died, whatever floats your boat)because of little demand once the new standards came out. If companies like fox are actually going to keep it around they have to make money on it. Don't whine that nothing is made in 26 anymore, yet be too cheap to actually buy this shit when it comes up...I still ride 26 and I'll stick with my 55 rc3 evo ti, but then again I'm not terribly concerned with the move to a new standard. Is it some insane innovation? Do I like planned obsolescence? No...but it restirs the pot of the market. So get it while it's hot people, if you love your old 26" bike so much and need a new fork show fox we still care about 26", or go to the used market get it cheaper and stop bitching that fox doesn't want to retool expensive molds on the off chance you ever might want to pony up.
  • + 1
 I should add for accuracy sake that the obsolescence of the 26" felt forced...but a stagnant market in a niche market is no good for anyone involved.
  • + 1
 Maybe future proof your investment, I run 26er X 20mm on a Pushed 2017 27.5 170mm Fox 36 no issues. Sweet fork!
  • + 49
 give me a coil fork with a modern damper for my trailbike Please!!!!
  • + 7
 Agreed. I guess I'm in the camp that just doesn't get the volume adjusters. I've been playing with them on both a Fox 34 29'r and a Pike 27.5 and haven't been able to get a linear feel close to what I loved about my old Van 36. Would love to see a modern Van.
  • + 24
 ...marzo?
  • + 7
 Seems we're constantly in search of a 'coil like' air spring when we could and should be using coils but it's cheap and easy to adjust air pressure for any rider on any terrain. Not so with coil and I think that's the reason we all must suffer the air spring. But I agree...maybe the manufacturers could offer a coil option alongside their air forks, I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to achieve. There are after market solutions for some forks at least.
  • + 15
 So the judy is back and were sourcing aftermarket coil kits. While were back in '95, can we also stop the Tupac hit??
  • + 6
 You mean a 36 Factory VAN RC2?
  • + 3
 @ThomDawson: also I think the weight penalty is a thing. People like light shit
  • + 9
 Exactly. I got a 2017, Fox 36 based on everyone saying air is awesome, just like coil only better because you can adjust the air volume. Nowhere near as good as my 2015 Fox 36 coil. Please bring back coil. I could care less about 300 grams!!!! I want performance.
  • + 8
 as i said in the pike article, these companies see merit in coil obviously. rockshox, fox, cane creek, push, dvo (i apologize if I left any off the list) all have coil shock options. if i am willing to accept a weight penalty in the rear for performance and consistency gains, why would i not do the same up front? luckily i think ohlins has something coming to the aftermarket soon. i hope.
  • + 4
 @treymotleyDH:

We are talking 110 g for a spring. Seriously, the air tube plus the IFP and the other air spring parts weigh at least 70g or mabey more. So do not get it why coil forks are perceived as being heavy. It's surely not the coil's fault. So we actually should get proper forks, it is technically possible, and has been done before.
  • + 7
 Supposedly PUSH has something brewing in this regard, should be announced at Sea Otter.
  • + 2
 @Adodero: i have prodded at them about this ever since i got the eleven six. they are kings of the cryptic answer. ohlins has been pretty open about a coil for 29ers but you would have to imagine 27.5 wouldnt be far behind.
  • + 5
 @Bruccio: you can barely find a review for those beautifull 350ncr ti!
f.... you bike industry
  • - 7
flag dthomp325 (Apr 18, 2017 at 12:27) (Below Threshold)
 @ThomDawson: the fewer tokens you run the less "linear" it will feel. The coil spring has died because: air springs got better, especially with the advent of self-adjusting negative springs. It's easier to adjust psi than change a spring. People prefer progressive spring rates.
  • + 1
 @gapos999: that is definitely a fork i am keeping an eye on.... if anyone has experience with them i would love to hear opinions.
  • + 8
 @dthomp325: that's just....not correct in any way. Less tokens = less progressivity = more linearity in the spring curve.
  • + 9
 @dthomp325: yeah fewer token = more linear
Coil Spring > Air Spring regardless whether the air spring has been improved.
People don't necessarily prefer progressive sprig rates, they prefer their air shocks to feel like coils which I think is where you are confusing matters over linear/ progressive. I think what people really like is mid stroke and air just doesn't provide it so people throw a tonne of volume reducers in and raise the end stroke so far it's almost mid stroke - the fork ploughs through 50% but you never get full travel.
@adrennan makes a very good point and I'd take it a step further to say that a fork needs a coil more than the rear since it can't be helped out by the linkage. Why we still have coils for the back yet forks like the Lyrik and 36 with no coil option is a mystery to me.
  • + 6
 @adrennan: you better hurry up cause they get out of stock.
i just bought the 380c2r2 ti (they share the same damper with the 350) and I can tell you it worth every penny.
I pair it with my 26inch process 167 (which I also bought recently because I didnt want to loose the last great freeride bike) and i roarrrrr like a dinosaur from forgotten times, ;-)
  • + 4
 @dthomp325: coil spring died? Seriously?
Cane creek pushing coil shock again. RS sponsored guys riding Boxxer team. Coil shock everywhere on EWS. Ohlins riders on coil forks. Gwin back on coil shock and probably on coil fork...

Air feels like a coil? I don't think so...
  • + 6
 I run a X-Fusion Vengence HLR Coil. Absolute Room Temp Butter. Even got gold ano stanchions and damper is amazing. It was even the right price at $400. Check out other brands man!
  • + 1
 @gapos999: @gapos999: last time i saw a review of the marzos was here on pb with the 380, a couple of years ago...of course i'm excluding the italian mtb sites Big Grin

what i think is, since marzo is now fox, wouldn't be a good idea for fox, given the past expertise of the italians in coil stuff, to use the brand as a coil (and budget) friendly alternative to their ultra high end air stuff? my 50 cents...
  • + 5
 @adrennan: i had a 66 back in the days. a tank. moving on butter tracks. perfect fork for freeride.
i tried the 350 ncr of a friend for a week once. espresso and all. not a racey fork by any mean, really linear and uber sensitive, maybe lacking a bit of mid stroke support (but it can be that the spring was too soft for my fat ass), but damn it was smooooooooooooth, with a very noticeable effect of the compression damping setting when changed. i run a fox 36 talas normally on my enduro and while it's a harder hitting piece of equipment than the 350 ncr (and i feel it in my arms at the end of a run), i'd be more than happy to run a 350 nevertheless.
  • + 3
 @ThomDawson: I think preference is highly dependent upon where you're at and what you ride. I see significant differences in feel between BOS and Fox which essentially a different approach being taken in the US vs Europe. Why not use a firmer compression tune with a hydraulic bottom out to ensure you can maintain linear feel until the end of the stroke. This is what power sports vehicles do? and Avalanche racing and maybe moto?
  • + 1
 @ibex: I'm not disagreeing I'm just saying why companies may not want to go that route. Look how much shit DVO gets for being heavy and they aren't that much heavier, and the spring they have in the fork for the OTT is tiny
  • + 1
 @Bruccio: The problem is that (to my eyes at least) the marzocchi 350, 380 titanium forks out perform their super expensive fox air counterparts
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 @treymotleyDH: They probably aren't that heavier for a good fork, but heavier that an air "fork".
A 350 NCR Ti with 6N/mm spring and the correct amount of oil comes in at 2170g. 70 g more than the Diamond.
On the other hand, current air forks have next to no oil in them, which makes them feel ugly. Personally I don;t mind carrying 300g worth of coil and oil. If you really care that much of 170-ish g you can ditch the 200 ml of oil from the spring leg, and have a coil fork in 170 mm of travel under 2000 g, which I find amazing. Let the pikers have creaky CSU-s, sub-par small bump sensitivity and easy bottom out on top of that.
  • + 1
 @gapos999: That is not a problem. It's a solution. Just buy the MZ. What holds you back? Afraid of other's dumb comments?
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 @russellpj: oops, mistyped. Yes, less tokens = more linear. My other points are still valid. People prefer air because it's easier to adjust, lighter, and they like progressive spring rates, especially now that negative spring auto adjust gets you 0 preload without any fiddling.

0 preload is nice, and you get it automatically with air vs having to find the exact perfect spring for metal.

Personally, I love that bottomless feel a nice progressive ramp up gives you. I don't know why you'd want a linear spring rate on a 160mm fork.
  • + 1
 @rcksurfer: Pros like Gwin probably get custom springs that are the perfect weight. I actually own a Boxxer with Charger damper and spring, and of course I'm dead middle between 2 of the stock spring options, so I either have to ride with a spring that never bottoms (what's the point of having travel if you don't use it) or a spring with preload (preload kills small bump compliance and makes the shock feel like ass).

Coil shocks are different than forks, since different bikes have different linkages and compression ratios there is more of need to tune for a specific linkage design. It also seems to be easier to find shock springs in small weight increments. You can get 25lb increments now, although that's still a minimum 8% change on a 300lb spring. You're still out of luck if you wanted a 4% change + spring tolerances are not perfect and the lightweight springs can change as they wear.
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: i feel you but, as naive i may have, how many riders are able to discern a 4% difference from an 8%? honest question...i don't think i would be.
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: as naive i may be...sorry for the typo
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 @dthomp325: yes, spring rate increment it's the main downside in a coil fork, but even a preloaded spring feels better than air on small bumps. Based on my experience, coil suspension need to be preloaded a bit to kill that dead feeling on top. Feels better to me. Of course, too much preload isn't good but still better than air IMO.

You can achieve a progressive rate on coil forks playing with oil levels. Range of adjustment it's lower than on a air spring+tokens system but it works.

If you need some advice go for the softer spring, preloaded and increase lowers oil levels. It worked for me on both forks (888 and fox 36).
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 @rcksurfer: I don't agree that a preloaded spring feels better than a 0 preloaded air spring. Preloaded springs feel like ass.
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 @rcksurfer: Most new forks use cartridges instead of open bath to decrease cavitation, so there is no oil level adjustment, the cartridge is bled to be completely full.

I don't see how changing oil level in an open bath fork would change progressiveness. How exactly would that work?
  • + 0
 @dthomp325: of course, my comment was based on my experience. Never tested a RS coil fork, maybe you are right and feels wrong with preload but my high preloaded 888 feels better on small bumps than friend's boxxer wc. That's my experience.
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: ok, not easy to explain for me because my English isn't good enough but I can use an example to explain it. Think in a Fox RC4 (Sealed damper with IFP) and his bottom out adjust. If you unscrew, you make the air side chamber bigger and if screw air chamber goes smaller. In open bath that air chamber it's the space between oil and top cap. You can make that space bigger or smaller adding or draining oil. more oil means less air inside the stanction. And that it's the progression adjust for open bath.
  • + 1
 @rcksurfer: this is the first time I've heard anyone doing this. I'd imagine that while an IFP design is perfectly capable (as it was designed for such a purpose) that open bath dampers would eventually explode when running too high an oil volume. Where's Vorsprung?
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: you can add more oil in the spring side not in the damper side.
this is what gives a progressive feel in coil fork.
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 @rcksurfer: ifp is much different than an open bath because ifp is preloaded and open bath is not. I'm skeptical your trick would do anything, but if it does it's because the space between the oil and the fork is acting.... like an airspring, so why not just get an air spring?

Also, I don't know what the tolerances are on an open bath, but you can't add significantly more oil than the spec before it hydrolocks and prematurely "bottoms".
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 @gapos999: you can do it on both sides

@ThomDawson: Of course if you put too much oil, the fork can't get full travel (hydraulic bottom out)
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 @Doomsdave: get a push tune. Night and day difference
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 @adrennan: I haven't ridden a 350 ncr to, but I have been a 350cr for a year and I can say the dampening on just the cr is amazing -- super supportive in the mid stroke but all the travel is available every time I need it for the big hits and high speed chunder. The dampening is so good from the factory no volume spacers needed and I don't feel the need for any adjustments beyond the basic compression and rebound.

I came off a fox 34 that just felt like a wet noodle no matter how I tuned it, and I rode a totem before that. The totem was amazing but heavy and sometimes a little harsh at very high speed. Hands down the marz 350 is the best overall out of the 3, but it does lose in the low speed small bump compliance department. It has to be ridden hard to come alive -- this seems to be a relatively common complaint w the new marz forks, but could probably be fixed if I just pulled the lowers and gave the seals a proper lube job
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 @Loamhuck: I just bought a BOS Deville 140 to match my cane creek coil IL rear. The fork is probably the smoothest and best feeling air fork I have ever been on, being an open bath. However, I still feel like the coil rear shock tracks the ground twice as fast. The fork feels slightly over damped at full open compression, and bottoms out if ridden aggressively and front heavy (which is totally fine in my book). It does a good job of preserving geometry though and stays high in the travel on the steeps. It is good but not great, and I have some friends that do machine work, soooo, I am looking to source a coil spring for conversion.

FYI: my 2014 Marz. RC# ti evo v2 feels lightyears ahead of the BOS, but has about 2 pounds and 30mm more travel.

Anyone out there doing coil conversions on air forks with good results?
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 @dthomp325:

Because it alters the air volume in the fork leg.
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 @dthomp325: ..Why not use directly an air spring?
Because air spring causes too much friction.
Air preloading a coil spring is for fine tuning. And works very well. You don't need to worry about the seals exploding, as you only pump a small amount (usually 5-10 pumps, as opposed to 70 for an air spring.)
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 @leftCoastBurn: Try the 350 NCR Ti.
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 @konadan: Why convert the bos into coil?
Much simpler to convert the 350 NCR Ti into open bath. That is if you feel that the DBC does not suit you. While not being equal to a true open bath, you can still add 40-50 ml of oil in the damper leg. If you don't like this route, your RC Ti Evo V2 Cart fits in the 350. Third option, but the most expensive, AVA for the 350 NCR Ti. Plenty of options there. Lastly, the 350 and also the 55 can be lowered, you need a shorter spring, but that is not difficult to find. Steel will do, as it is cheap and comes very close to the original Ti spring which weighs 155 g.
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 2018!!! It's only April FFS
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 You must be new here. And by "here" I mean bikes.
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 You must be new here. And by here I mean N American marketing. Every year they have to change stickers so you feel like your old stickered product is inferior. And they do those switches earlier and earlier every year. Or they make a few little changes they could do last year or even 2 years ago.
  • + 1
 Another reason is because bike manufacturers want to know what parts will be available for bikes they want to release in 1-2 years. Industry has to plan. And because in mtb the aftermarket options are often the same as OEM spec, they just release them "early"
  • + 4
 @seraph: yep , only been on pb since 2004 and riding for 31 years. It used to (back in the older days) be product previews in august/ September time, however over the last few years it gets further and further forwards. 2019 stuff will now be previewed in sept 17 and 2020 stuff in October 17
  • + 16
 Orange. It may be ugly as sin, but at least everyone out there knows you got the newest fork possible.
  • + 5
 Excuse me
  • + 5
 Or! Head to Stikrd's website and print off the new decals in whatever color you'd want and slap them on any fork model. Win #1 You get the new stickers, so you look pro. Win #2 You look even more pro with custom colors. Win #3 You can keep you old fork and only spent $35 to upgrade to the new one. Win #4 You're faster now? Prob not haha jk
  • + 2
 I guess I 'd buy it if they were selling the orange... I know it's fully superficial. But between two great forks, I'll go the cheaper way, unless... orange! We can buy orange 32. so why not 36?
  • + 1
 @thedriftisreal: You're excused
  • + 1
 @Dabomb684: Stikrd don't do FOX Racing.

slikgraphics.
  • + 14
 Where is the bleeder valve? Where is the coil? Where is the volume adjust...where is the 170 - 29.
  • + 3
 Updated CSU to resolve creaking. Adjustable negative air spring? Tighter rebound increments? Okay, that's all for now
  • + 7
 see Sram/Rockshox, it's not so hard to keep a 26" fork on the roster, also it's neat that Fox even offers a 32 in 26" and even with a 1 1/8 steerer and 9mm, like yay my XC HT is still slightly relevant.
  • + 1
 Not 'hard' at all. Now cutting the checks for the 26 wheels compatible lower sliders, stanchions and the appropriate castings/molds, design time is a different story
  • + 5
 Gotta love Fox.. Just got a 2017 bike with the latest and greatest Fox factory 36 and the fit 5643457 cartridge. OUR BEST FORK YET... oh wait.. here's a new air spring assembly that you won't be able to upgrade to since the inside stanchions are different now. FACE MEET PALM.
  • + 7
 Will the new airspring be an aftermarket upgrade for previous model year forks?
  • + 2
 Looks like you would need a new crown steerer and legs, plus a new air spring, so basically a new fork!
  • + 1
 2nd this, I'd buy it now.
  • + 4
 That's too bad... I bet a lot of people look at the new Push Industries coil upgrade.
  • + 1
 @notphaedrus: doesnt look like moulds have changed.
  • + 5
 @notphaedrus:
Right, the main issue is the transfer port carved on the inner side of the plunger, which does not exist on 2015-17 36.
That said, this precise transfer port is a real annoyment cause you cannot pour any oil by the top cap since it will goes down and being trapped in the negative air chamber, subsequently modifying the negative air spring volume...
So your fork will rely mainly on grease (because sticky) for "lubrication" of this section (like a pike), which mean to service your air spring very often if you wanna keep the smooth action (like a pike)...
So I don't really see the interest of suppressing one very small o-ring for sake of smoothness if you cannot use lubrication oil anymore...
  • + 1
 @chrismac Just got the confirmation from Fox.
It's possible but expensive: you have to change both stanchions (so upper crown assy) and spring.
  • + 2
 @gnralized: that's what I said bud.... Big Grin
  • + 0
 @chrisrobin: Can't find anything on Push website about coil upgrade?
  • + 5
 Getting pretty tired of trying to get my trail forks to feel like coil....wish fox/RS would surprise us for once and release a modern coil fork
  • + 0
 Aftermarket damper.
  • + 3
 @nicolai12: +coil
  • + 2
 I have Fox RC2 Van that works better than 2016 Lyrik.
  • + 5
 marzocchi 350ncr titanium
  • - 2
 Learn how to tune your shit better!! It literally takes me less then 2 minutes to set up my dual air RS Revs
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: ...whoosh

I don't care how well you tune your air sprung fork, it won't feel like a coil sprung fork, and that was precisely the point.
  • + 0
 @nvranka: oh ya bud because I beg to differ!!!
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: watching your vids quickly delegitimizes your opinion.
  • + 0
 @nvranka: @mhoshal you both need to be nice to each other, thanks.
  • + 1
 @ibex: No. (-) coil and + a legitimate open bath damper with logical valving and a hydraulic anti-bottoming system. best of both worlds and you don't have to deal with switching coils.
  • + 1
 @Loamhuck: open bath? That's great for people too lazy to do outer leg service one per 2-6 months and overhaul once a year. Just please don't bring up Marzocchi which never had Low Speed Compression damping and dived like a homeless crack addict for a penny as soon as you hit the brakes hard. Fluid and gas together works best for beer Wink An Avalanche of beer!
  • - 2
 @Loamhuck: I didn't know I wasn't being nice. This guy just clearly doesn't know how to dial air forks in properly because you can get air forks to feel like coil.
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: ummm, no you can't... the issue is whether you want a fork that does what you want it to do or you want a fork that works like air sprung or a fork that works as coil sprung. I haven't ridden a single fork that works the way 36 Van RC2 works. Two-Thousand-Eleven model year. This is the feeling I like, the balance of grip to stability. High speed compression takes care of the bottom outs.

I don't care about the overal weight of the bike, because I train with 10-30kg dumb bells and 8-34kg kettle bells. And I am a relatively weak woose. I would be a whiny btch if I btched on how heavy coils are while I can do 10 pull ups, 20 chin ups, 60 legit push ups, I can keep the list going. Nothing special, but still... this is what I am getting at. Basic, fkng BASIC athletic ability. I can't deadlift more than 130kgs and can't deep squat more than 90. Barely do 1 rep of 80kg bench press. But it's enough to forget about 1 fricking kilo of weight added to the bike by two coil springs. It's like people who say you can't bunny hop or wheelie a bike with chainstay longer than 440. Fricking ridiculous... or those XC whiny wendys - I won't use a dropper cuz it makes me spend 18 fkng Watts per 1 hour... people are so freaking affraid of unrealistic physical discomfort, they are willing to put all sorts of mental discomfort to mitigate that. I get a coil and it is fkng set. When I get air spring and I fiddle with it all the time. Fk that.

And Fox doing this stupid air port on the iside of the inner leg like RS did in latest Solo Air- WTF?! Didn't they hear that majority of issues with Solo air forks was just that?! My Lyrik works great for most of the time (not as good as 36 Van Rc2) but sometimes it just behaves like it ate a can of black beans. Wanna bet it's issue with the air port getting jammed with lubricant?
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I've been riding on air for close to a decade and coil for alot longer and I know for a fact that I can get my air forks to feel exactly the same as my coil setups if not better!!! It's all in the psi and dialing it in. I will admit solo air setups are harder to dial in then dual air but it can be achieved none the less
  • + 3
 @mhoshal: apart from the fact that air spring is always progressive and coil is more or less linear which means that air has "natural" bottom out resistance while coil does not need to rely purely on compression damping for mid/end support IF you want to get rid of the dip in resisting force in the middle of travel. I got my Lyrik very close to feel like coil 36, by manipulating SAG/rebound with LSC, but how it ends up is that the most common braking situation or G-out puts both forks in the similar position in their travel, however results vary how each fork gets into this state. Quite simply you can get some stability out of 36 with more SAG = I get more grip. It surely DOES depend on the damping, and Fox damping is surely superior to RS even if just by a bit. RS Sektor with coil is fkng worthless, so it's both spring and damping, but given same damper and chassis I would always chose coil for suppleness.

Now as long as forks go, I can live with Air, but when it comes to shocks, sorry... there is just no comparison. I could take Float X2 or CCDBAir but the rest can suck a bag of socks. At least for VPP bikes and most single pivots, most air shocks are tyre pumps with rebound and a lockout. You want to pump a natural roller or a berm and they blow through. You want to press hard on pedal to get on top of a step on a climb and the whole bike goes down. And they all tell the same story since 10 years: first they said large volume cans solve the lack of support, then they introduced Boost Valve - same sht, then they made Corsets to increase the volume of negative air chamber - yes, three steps closer: 100 to go. And then you see pros inserting tokens into both positive and negative chambers... Off course they pedal well, off course they don't bottom out, but they fold when you pump sht.

We did this to coil shock so it feels more like air spring - said NO ONE ever. But everyone tries to say: We did this to this air shock so it feels almost like coil. More and more Enduro guys put coils on their bike, Most DH pros run coils on their DH bikes, most MX pros run coils front and rear, despite sponsors making air shocks - I know from World Cup resident horse mouth that many racers run coils under air caps.

Coils DO NOT look good on pictures of bikes with scale. Mountain Biking is dominated by cutting weight for the sole purpose of cutting weight. Cuz lighter the bike, the fas... hm... better, yea better it is better, somehow, yea it must be physics. Lighter and stiffer - that's what people want. Somehow noe one ever though about 26" wheels whis way. Cuz roll over and contact patch. And please note, I am a fan of 29ers. Do you think people understand roll over? NO, they just heard "it's better" enough times. Hey, maybe run 1,5ply tyre vs 1 ply tyre for better roll over, carrying momentum better? NO! That is breaching protocol 1 - must lower rotating mass wherever possible, and protocol 2 - must lower unsprung mass at all costs! - but what's that giant cassette hanging off your back w... - PROTOCOL 3 - must spin 90-110RPM with even pressure... seated!
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: you've been riding for 15-20yrs then? I think it's safe to say you've been huffing glue and "dialing in" your setups more than you've been riding based on what I'm seeing in your videos.

No one who competently rides will agree that air feels like coil...even writing the words makes me laugh. Why then are several WC guys running coil forks when the latest and greatest from their sponsor is air sprung?

Reply all you want, but I won't be coming back and wasting any more time on this.
  • + 1
 @nvranka: and the issue where some companies choose coil for suspension forks for 20-24" kids bikes because seal stiction in air suspension is too big for the weight of the kid... makes you think. But that is a detail of discussion beyond the mind of 99% of people who ACTUALLY buy bikes. I am not raising above them though, I am always showing understanding for them, and envy their ignorance - I wish I didn't know so much and was mentally healtheir and a more productive human being.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: lmao so you are trying to tell me I can't tell the feel of my own setup??
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: yes I bet you can. I heard vegans saying they never got sick after they got vegan and they feel muuuch better. I heard people saying their carbon rims or bars feel smoother than any alu they tried. Now I recommend a lecture on spring rates Wink
  • + 7
 Creak creak creak
  • + 2
 no, its fox
  • + 2
 So, is the 36 supposed to compete with the Pike or the Lyrik? Because the Lyrik is offered in 180mm. Not to mention the new Pike is also lighter than the 36. As much as this first look wants to suggest that Fox gives lots of options (1 1/8" steerer is nice), try asking them about fork offsets. You'll get one option per wheel size: 51mm for 29/27.5+, 44mm for 27.5" and 40mm in 26". What about an all-black fork with FIT4 damper? OEM, maybe, but not easy to get. I love my 34 27.5+ 150mm for it's tire clearance but Fox isn't exactly thrilling with its options.
  • + 4
 As far as the lack of a 180mm option in 27.5/29, was thinking the same thing. Lots of 180mm on the EWS these days. Looks great though, Fox still has a leg-up on their graphics.
  • + 9
 It's supposed to compete with the lyrik. The 34 is supposed to compete with the pike.
  • + 7
 It more competes with the Lyric. The Pike is a strange fork in that it gets specced on both trail bikes, and more enduro-ish bikes as well. I think the new pike is made lighter to be more of a trail only fork so that the lyric can be the hard hitting all mountain fork. Rockshox is a little confusing that way cause you see the pike specced on bigger bikes (Devinci spartan) when they should have a Lyric IMHO. Look back a few articles to see the new Pike. I think that's the general idea behind it. Could be wrong though.
  • + 5
 Making way for a fox38?
  • + 4
 I'm glad somebody else noticed this. I have a 180mm 27.5 Yari on my park bike. Especially with the lower end models the 36 is actually price competitive with a Lyrik but no 180? What's the idea with that?

@AlexS1: That would be awesome. Or even a single crown 40.
  • + 1
 Both. It'll be to max 36 160mm 29 and 170 27.5 with a LT 29er that has been floating around which will be triple crown and 180-200mm. They all weigh about the same.
  • + 1
 @AlexS1: Probably something like this. The 36 was offered in 180mm up until 2018. There must be a reason that it isn't anymore.
  • + 2
 @gemma8788: I wonder if you could switch the 170mm to 180mm like either 2015/16 versions? Looking at the pictures, looks like it might be a similar arrangement where you can remove a negative plate spacer to get the extra 10mm.
  • + 2
 @andyrm: In the 15-17 versions you had to remove a negative plate and adjust the top set screw as well, which no longer exists. Might be more similar to the 34 now where you need to swap the entire spring to change travel.
  • + 1
 @PHeller
For 27.5, 36 sold as 160mm and those sold as 170 mm are different forks.
You can up those sold as 170 up to 180 but not the 160 mm version.
  • + 1
 @gnralized: You can up the 160mm to 170/180mm travel, it just needs a single part changing in the damper and a new airspring.
  • + 1
 @nicolai12: exactly. Fox 49 it's the 180 29er fork
  • + 3
 Why does it specifically have to correspond to a competitors product lineup? XC/Trail/All mountain/DH seems like a pretty clearcut product lineup to me, and Fox seem more well defined in those categories.
  • + 1
 @RickDraper: Of course you can technically but it's a 250+ ticket, your not intended to do so.
Changing from 160-170-180 on a 170 or 140-150-160 on a 160 is a 10 bucks trick.
  • + 3
 kind of the same thing that happened with the Luftkappe from vorsprung for rockshox products. I like mine alot, so I bet this will be an improvement for those of us who like forks to sit higher.
  • + 9
 Fox has a history of gaining "inspiration" from aftermarket vendors... :/
  • + 3
 @mattsavage: Ain't nothing wrong with that. If another company discovers demand for something, Fox can give the people what they want all day long and twice on Tuesdays.
  • + 3
 @mattsavage: So does SRAM...
  • + 6
 Fox sake, now I need to reassess my budget!
  • + 5
 Sorry man, you're gonna have to fork over the big bucks for the good stuff.
  • + 7
 @JesseE: They clearly couldn't give two Fox about my ever growing bike bill Big Grin
  • + 8
 @lee-vps-savage: Nope. Gotta suspend your retirement savings for bikes these days.
  • + 2
 get a grip, dude.
  • + 1
 Hey @mikekazimer, is the boost fork wider than the 20mm (more tire clearance)? There is no information on the www for this. This is the only perceptible reason to buy the boost version. Sram made a big deal about tire clearance in their press release, no mention in Fox's.
  • + 1
 awesome hopefully this will be the start of more products aimed around the 26" wheel size. I guess that will depend on how many people buy this....i already have a nice 36 van rc but as others have said it needs people to buy it. kinda wish i didnt allready have a 36... maybe a new upgrade is in order.
  • + 4
 Cool now give us a fender that mounts to those little threads on the back of the arch
  • + 3
 Exactly. Even nicer if they won't charge 100$ for a piece of plastic.
  • + 1
 My mate has a new 27.5 yt capri me old mk2 nomad 26" we hit our local trails. for a laugh we freewheel a fire-wood dh section to cut to a different section of the trails.
he is 10kg heavier than me my 26 rolled way faster than his. why....? we started off shoulder to shoulder and freewheeled.
  • + 0
 ''Looking for a 26” fork with a 20mm thru-axle and 180mm of travel?'' No problem. Most certainly am, but not before i get a hand cranked mangle for my laundry and a carburetor for my R35 GTR (ok, I don't have one of those, gtr that is)
  • + 0
 really fox??? no 27,5 180mm options available?? I run a 36 fit 27,5 (2015) on my Specialized SX Trail II (2009)... still riding 26"... but if I wanted to buy... say... a Banshee Darkside or a Specialized Enduro Evo (both 27,5) I just won't be able to put a decent single crown long travel fork... where in hell is the bike industry going??!! not happy with these options...
  • + 1
 26", GAME CHANGER, INNOVATION OF THE YEAR!! Just for Fox doing a 26" fork that, I could care less about discount on this fork, I will be out at Seaotter Classic Festival to get one of these babies! FU Rockshox!!
  • + 2
 Isn't the most significant change moving away from the transfer shaft travel adjust system? Losing a seal and making the air spring more sensitive...
  • + 0
 i had the new 2017 36 they were 2 months old and had to take them back 4 times due to them going hard all the time, in the end they swapped them for the 2018, i am still getting the same problem but now they seem to sort themselves out after while should these go back should i ask for my money back i definitely won't be wasting money on this product again.
  • + 4
 Why no bleed ports like the 40?
  • + 2
 Obviously, that upgrade is saved for a future years release. You shouldn't get all good things at one package Frown
  • + 1
 cant say Im a fan of the new decals compared to the heritage ones, will have to wait and see how they look on bikes that can customize the color scheme
  • + 1
 I was thinking the opposite. I hope they make these stickers available. I'm still rocking the 2015 stickers.
  • + 2
 Words can't express thE VOLume of gratefulness we have for the mere existence of a 26" version.
  • + 1
 Just wait until Push releases their coil fork and the world will explode! Just imagine if its Sh1t HOT as is the 11/6?! Should be called 5/10 fork...
  • + 2
 Can we upgrade the air spring at a reasonable price for our older fox 36's?
  • + 2
 Nope im afraid not.
  • + 1
 Curious what all this 26" talk is about. 26ers have been dead for some time now, antiquated XC geometry. Anybody spending money on ones still in circulation is insane!
  • + 3
 It's just a marketing scheme to get us to buy new forks.
  • + 5
 A pretty good one...
  • + 4
 Orange-ya glad you figured out the mighty plan?
  • + 3
 @Dabomb684: the bike industry is evil, it's all one big con to get us to buy new bikes.
  • + 2
 @ThomDawson: They know us too well. We've got the lust for shiny, new things!
  • + 2
 Damn those improvements, damn that progress
  • + 2
 @bman33: damn straight dude, why they got to keep making shit better all the time then forcing me to buy it.
  • + 1
 Thank you Fox for not ramming Boost only BS down my throat. Do you hear that Rock Shox...you lost a long time Pike fan with that stupid ass move.
  • + 1
 An entirely new air spring system is more than a minor change. Small bump compliance of a 34, with the support of the 36? Could be a winner.
  • + 3
 Much more friendly to 26ers than Rock Shox.
  • + 1
 Can anyone confirm the internal adjustability of the 2018 fox 36 170mm can still be adjusted to 180mm like the previous version? Any thoughts?
  • + 1
 How much does it weigh now?? Still haven't found a proper fork to replace my 1735g Formula 35 180....
  • + 1
 The increased negative air chamber size sounds super sweet, the more linear 25% is a positive for me.
  • + 1
 Adjustable to 180mm for 27.5 likey 2016 36? Which already feels pretty damn linear btw.
  • + 3
 1 1/8"?
  • + 2
 I used to regret selling my Totems, I still do, but I used to, too.
  • + 2
 Bleed Port! Give the 36 (and the 34) an air bleed port like the 40!
  • + 1
 It's now easier than ever to add air volume spacers, because we copied SRAM's system that already works really well!
  • + 2
 Can I get a set in 26" AND 1 1/8 straight steering tube, thanks....

lol
  • + 1
 I just miss a replacement for my Talas 26".... 27.5" is the first option is available
  • + 1
 Its Spring 2017....manufacturers officially killing the world being so far in advance.
  • + 1
 If only they would focus little bit on having current products available instead of bragging about what they have coming out we would all be better off. Fox, out of transfer dropper posts, 36 forks, volume spacers for float x shocks, coils for dhx2. Probably a ton of other stuff that I haven't needed therefor haven't checked on.
  • + 2
 29 x 2.5 with room to spare??
31.5 is on the way...
  • + 0
 Damn It looks like the uppers need a transfer port on the inside like the Pike Solo Air. Please someone make an aftermarket dual air float spring!
  • + 2
 Still waiting for volume spacers for Talas :/
  • + 1
 Missing the depth of a riding comparison to 2016/2017 models. Do these new changes make a noticeable improvement???
  • + 2
 Wonder if the new air spring can be retrofitted to the 2016's and 2017's
  • + 2
 you would need a new upper crown steerer unit since the transfer port is machined inside the stanchion wall
  • + 1
 not even mid of 2017 and we have new Fox 36 and new Pike 2018!!!
  • + 1
 looks better then the last year
  • + 1
 Love at the first sight !
  • + 1
 Glad to see they're making forks for everyone, boost or not.
  • + 1
 Performance Elite for sale! Black on Black!
  • + 1
 Could have improve the price , Smile lol
  • + 0
 just a shame if you want a 26 inch model you have to pay close to rrp. the fork is just too dam expensive.
  • + 6
 There's good deals to be had on 26in pikes.
  • + 2
 @dingus: really, not seen any. happy with my pike & luftkappe anyway
  • + 1
 Will they release TALAS forks for 2018?
  • + 1
 So is the Orange an option or Unobtainium?
  • + 1
 I'll be a buyer!! Awesome!!
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer is the new Spring retro fittable?
  • + 1
 Will the new air spring be available for the 2017s?
  • + 1
 No, you would need to buy a new crown steer unit.
  • + 1
 @RickDraper: i cant see why you couldnt do an aftermarket upgrade, could you shed some light on why it wouldnt fit?
  • + 3
 @frampo: Because the 2015-17 crown steer units have no transfer dimple machined in the stanchion.
  • + 2
 Talas?
  • + 1
 2018 forks already? It's only April hahah
  • + 1
 Luvvery jubberly!
  • + 0
 Seriously... Fox air forks!!!
  • + 1
 New 36 or pike? Hmmmm
  • - 2
 Foxy
  • - 2
 Didn't the 2017s just come out?
  • + 12
 Next month they plan to release the new 2019s. I heard it's way better.
  • + 0
 They came out late 2016.
  • + 2
 Makes perfect sense really. Here and a few other sites have their first looks/impressions posted a few days before Sea Otter to build interest. Just about every manufacture brings out new stuff for Sea Otter, but it's usually months before it hits the market. Pros and industry folks like PinkBike will continue to use and abuse the new product all summer in hopes of building good hype for the full product launch.
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