Forbidden Bike Co. Introduce Ziggy Link For Mullet Conversions

May 8, 2020 at 7:58
by ForbiddenBike  
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Press Release: Forbidden Bike Co.

Ziggy Link allows Forbidden Druid owners the ability to apply the business up front, party out back, mixed wheel size approach to their bikes. Replacing the lower link from the Druid’s two-part Rate Control linkage, the Ziggy Link recalibrates the geometry to accept a smaller 27.5in rear wheel and immediately converts your 29er Druid into a mullet sporting corner slayer.

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One of the early prototype links coated in Cumberland's finest dirt.
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Based in Cumberland, BC we have year-round testing on our doorstep.

After increased rumblings of mixed wheel size bikes surfaced in early 2019, shortly before their successful debut between the tape, our attention piqued enough to explore the concept further. Initially intrigued to see how a 29in front, 27.5in rear-wheel setup would perform when applied to a short-travel trail bike like the Druid, we began a process of experimentation to see if the fabled mullet setup would yield favourable results on the trail.

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Rate Control Linkages from left to right: a stock 29in setup, our first mixed wheel size prototype and Ziggy Link.

Being an impatient bunch, we started off by just throwing a 27.5in rear wheel in the back and headed to the trails. This was fun and it showed us that there was promise in the concept, but the pedal smashing bottom bracket height made it almost unrideable on anything but sustained downhill sections of trail. Our first prototype ‘mullet link’, designed to wholly retain the Druid’s geometry, was a step in the right direction, but it didn’t feel like it matched the natural aggressiveness that a mixed wheel size chassis delivers on the trail. Back to the drawing board, we wanted to push the geometry a little further to take better advantage of the handling characteristics that the wheels alone bring to the table. The production link design we settled upon lowers the bottom bracket height by 6mm and slackens the Head Angle by 0.5-degrees; essentially the halfway point between the Druid's stock geometry and the “we just chucked a small wheel in the back and now we can’t pedal anywhere” approach.
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These subtle changes in the Druid’s geometry when coupled with the mixed wheel size configuration delivered precisely the total package we were looking for and Ziggy Link was born.

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Ziggy Link installed into one of our soon to be released colorways.
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High Pivots and Ziggy Link are a heady concoction...

We all know that 29in wheels are fast, but hitting corners and linking turns on a Ziggy Link equipped Druid is a feeling that needs to be experienced. Delivering increased reaction times, a heightened ability to change direction and adapt to the trail ahead, to letting things get rowdy while remaining relaxed and composed is all eye-wateringly fun. Ziggy Link will be launching with added stardust and a lick of red anodizing to match that most recognizable of Kentucky Waterfalls worldwide by May 18th from all authorized Forbidden dealers and online from forbiddenbike.com

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215 Comments
  • 124 0
 Forbidden bikes really took off so quick. Such a good looking bike. Digging the high pivots for sure
  • 31 1
 Nothing but good feedback from how they ride too! The fact that a 130/150 mm bike is capable enough to tackle the EWS circuit while others are on 180 mm bikes is quite impressive!
  • 7 2
 Does the orange fox 36 comes only in 160 -170? Or you can get it in 150mm?
  • 7 46
flag Pyres (May 8, 2020 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 @ybsurf: , are you serious? Cause this one has 150mm. Check the geo chart, it says 150mm fork
  • 9 0
 @ybsurf: @ybsurf: OEM's can order what ever they want.

For aftermarket you can only order it at 160mm but then you can travel adjust it from 130-170 with different air shafts
  • 10 0
 @ybsurf: The Fox 36 can be configured from 130mm to 170mm travel. The one in the photos here is 150mm.
  • 1 0
 @ForbiddenBike: awesome thanks to let me know, that mullet option gonna make it easier to order one soon just need to wait for a demo.
  • 1 0
 @btapswim: thanks
  • 3 0
 @ForbiddenBike: just curious would it make it sprint like a regular 27.5? I could use my 11 speed drivetrain and chainring that I use right now on my 27.5?
  • 3 0
 Time for a group test against all those other high pivot trail bikes? Only other ones I can currently think of would be Cavalier and Craftworks, but there sure must be more out there.
  • 6 0
 @ybsurf: The lighter rear wheel is easier to accelerate, so in that regard it does feel more like a 27.5.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: Deviate Highlander
  • 1 2
 @TreyDownhill: Big difference between 'tackle' and 'be competitive'.
  • 3 0
 @andrewbikeguide: look at lewis buchanan riding his druid and you'll see he will be competitive.
  • 2 0
 @ForbiddenBike: XL bikes always sold out?
Been looking at website since September 19 with no luck
  • 2 0
 @ybsurf: The 36 now tops out at 160mm in the 2021 stuff. Everything 170+ is a 38 now.
  • 1 0
 @ForbiddenBike: can you use this link with your 29 wheels or would that steepen it up? Have you guys considered an 'enduro link' for slackening the regular druid? Any plans for a longer-travel more race-focused HP bike in general?
  • 3 0
 @glen-allaire: Unfortunately yes, we only had a small run of XL's produced late last year and we were surprised how quickly they sold through. Since then, like a lot of the industry, we have been hit with some delays due to the Covid 19 situation. We do have a batch of bikes on it's way to Canada right now and we expect them in stock the first week of June.

If you are interested in securing one you can always drop us an email at contact@forbiddenbike.com and we will make sure you are first to know when they land!

Thanks for your patience!
  • 4 0
 @Hockerz: You could use the Ziggy Link with dual 29" wheels and it would raise the BB and steepen the angles.

We feel the Druid is plenty slack enough for it's intended use.

If you are keen on really slack/ more travel keep following along and maybe you will get what your looking for in good time.. Wink
  • 1 1
 @ForbiddenBike: Still no XL frame in stock in Canada?
  • 73 0
 Due to quarantine, my hair has naturally made the conversion to a mullet.
  • 7 1
 Bleak times indeed
  • 5 2
 long at the front and short at back given the way the word has changed meaning here.
  • 3 0
 Ha, ha. Are you sure you didn't try cutting it yourself and just couldn't reach the back...lol
  • 5 0
 @mtb-scotland: Yeah, technically these bikes should be called "emo" but it would probably not sell (or likely self destruct in no time).
  • 2 4
 @vinay: Name a Scottish world champ at anything MTB...
  • 6 0
 @mtb-scotland: Ya but they're still "Business in the front, party in the back", which is why they're called Mullet bikes.
  • 1 3
 @islandforlife: What does that actually mean?
  • 3 0
 @curendero: Ruaridh Cunningham
  • 19 0
 @mtb-scotland: What the f*ck do mean, what does "Business in the front, party in the back" mean?? It means "Business in the front, party in the back"!! Muthaf*cka!

In laymans terms... Business in the front = big front wheel sticks to the business of rolling over shit, that's it's job, that's what it does. Party in back = smaller wheel loves to Parrrr-tay... he's whippin all over this shit, f*cking up berms and taking names.. flipping around switchbacks hoot'in and holler'in all way down the trail. That's what it means.
  • 2 10
flag mtb-scotland (May 8, 2020 at 23:44) (Below Threshold)
 Well both wheels go up and both come down. It’s not like we are taking about your mum here. @islandforlife:
  • 1 0
 And you didn't have to swap out a link to do it, what a win.
  • 1 0
 @curendero: R Cunningham junior world champ at Fort Bill - Scottish last time I checked!
  • 1 1
 @ompete: My bad!!
  • 2 0
 @curendero: Danny MacAskill's pretty handy on a bike...
  • 1 3
 @tommy85: Two wrongs don't make a right!! Wasn't happy with the Euro making fun of our bikes I guess....
  • 1 1
 @curendero: who is the Euro?
  • 1 1
 @mtb-scotland: you
  • 1 1
 @Sam-belcher: does that make @curendero the american then?
  • 1 1
 @Sam-belcher: What he said...
  • 1 1
 @curendero: i ain't European dude
  • 1 1
 @mtb-scotland: Scotland is in Europe
  • 2 1
 @Sam-belcher: Last time I checked as well...
  • 1 0
 @curendero: Reece Wilson DH World Champion 2020.
  • 39 0
 I'm not normally one to lust after the latest carbon super bikes too much, but something about the druid makes me want one sooo bad. and I like 27.5 wheels so this just makes it worse
  • 10 0
 You want what you can't have. It's in the name; pure genius.
  • 2 0
 @kinematix: if that were true, it wouldnt be good for their sales
  • 11 0
 he he same here. Thought I built the dream bike last season with the Bronson full carbon and carbon wheels and saint brakes and all the bling I wanted and now I want one of these mullets.... im so stupid.
  • 4 0
 Wait till you work on one, swap a link etc. It’s all so well thought out. No washers falling out everywhere or trouble trying to align pivot hardware etc.
  • 2 0
 @barbarosza: that’s why I bought a G1. So I can have one really well-made bike that has a massive amount of adjustability.
Most other bike companies make bikes intentionally purpose-limited so they can sell more bikes.
I do not understand how anyone can buy something so limited in scope (not necessarily this bike, but those that can only take one wheel size and have zero adjustability) unless their pocketbook is massive and they love losing money constantly cycling through bikes (which is exactly what industry wants).
  • 1 0
 @erikkellison: I'm jelly... I just need to pony up and buy one.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv:
Did you swop your evil for one of these, if so which size? AFAIR your evil was too long a reach. But large in these is very similar but prob longer RC, putting more weight onto front wheel naturally .
  • 1 0
 @Murfdog: I didn't end up with an Evil and I don't own a Forbidden! (I wish!) I just work a part time at a dealer for both. You're totally right though. The Druid has far more even weight distribution when measured at sag.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: my apologies, I assumed ( incorrectly) from previous messages you owned an Evil !!

I have ridden a Druid, and I agree they are a great bike, well built and good geometry.
  • 1 0
 @barbarosza: sometimes building up is better than owning. Once I have a bike I am already looking for the next
  • 38 1
 In related news...Forbidden Bike Co. continue to steal my heart.
  • 13 0
 @map-guy Awww shucks...
  • 4 0
 @ForbiddenBike: honestly, this is the one bike I really wanna try.
  • 33 1
 @ForbiddenBike BRING THE 27.5 FORBIDDEN ANSWER TO THE YETI SB140 / TRANSITION SCOUT
  • 3 0
 yes please
  • 5 2
 Honestly, you won’t miss the 27.5 on the front of this bike.
  • 19 1
 @DGWW We were considering doing a full 27.5 bike but after experiencing the mullet set up we strongly believe a Ziggy Link equipped Druid is the answer those customers are looking for.
  • 6 0
 You could get the sight link, slap a longer fork on (to maintain geo), and go full 27.5...
  • 1 0
 *Ziggy link
  • 2 1
 @jclnv: I would love the option to try both sizes on the front and make my own decision on this though.
  • 2 1
 @Lookinforit: That sounds like a good idea. I think a designed 27.5 version might benefit from a slightly slacker HTA though.
  • 3 1
 @ForbiddenBike: what would be the result if certain impatient 27.5 enthusiasts were to use the Ziggy link to convert their Druid to 27.5 all around? Just asking for a friend
  • 8 0
 @Colson217: To prevent the BB from dropping to an unrideable height you would need to run a much longer fork which would void our warranty. Therefore we strongly do not recommend that course of action.

If this "friend" of yours is a 27.5 enthusiast, we would encourage them to give the mixed wheel size a go. It's like a 29er but more fun - or a 27.5 but faster. We know this is not going to be for everyone, which is why we offer it as a kit only right now, but we think it is a really great option for riders who like a bit of high speed fun on their rides!
  • 3 0
 @ForbiddenBike: exactly. No point in running 27.5” as Mullet/Hybrid is so nimble and versatile, but so much better. Nice to see SC catching on.
  • 4 1
 @erikkellison: I can't agree with you right now. I've ridden a few different mullet bikes, one designed that way and they all felt a bit off to me. I like many 29ers, prefer 27.5 but haven't ridden a mullet that feels right to me yet. If this had the option to run a 27.5 in the front I'd pony up and buy one to be able to try both setups. I hope a mullet proves me wrong one of these days because the theory makes sense to me.
  • 2 0
 @NotSorry: as you noticed from my other comment, having the bike made for or able to accommodate mullet intentionally (not as an experiment or afterthought) makes ALL the difference. I am sure once you get on a bike that can have the right geometry as a mullet will change your mind. Most bikes, when mulleted, cannot be adjusted to have good geo when the rear axle is dropped ~17mm. Some just get lucky though, like my previous Geometron - that particular bike just happened to work really well as a hybrid (though I suspect that wasn’t actually “luck”).
  • 2 2
 @ForbiddenBike: I'd much rather ride something designed around the wheels that I want to ride , rather than something adapted after the fact. Especially for a very expensive bike. Part of the reason that I want to ride 27.5 is to have that smaller wheel up front and the componentry that goes along with it. Please reconsider ! Haha.
  • 24 0
 That purple is so hot
  • 14 0
 When is the 180F/160R Druid coming out?
  • 8 0
 If that ever comes out then I’m buying it straight away!!
  • 19 0
 @tcks We have no idea what you are talking about... Wink
  • 8 0
 @ForbiddenBike: oh no now you have to tell me what’s going on
  • 11 1
 @philmtb99: Patience young grasshopper... All will become clear in good time...
  • 2 0
 @ForbiddenBike: You should name it the "Knowledge"
Seriously though, the Druid is my dream bike. Sooo much want!
  • 1 1
 @philmtb99: just based off travel numbers?
  • 2 0
 @Grosey: Travel numbers indicate the intended use and geometry so yeah
  • 10 0
 Would love to see this approach from more brands. As someone who has a short inseam it seems like the best of both worlds to me
  • 4 0
 Came here to say the same thing, seems like a no-brainer. If they don't maybe cascadecomponents.bike will fill the gap!
  • 11 0
 @Zaeius Owen from Forbidden here, at 5'6" with short legs I hear ya! I've gone from preferring a small Druid with dual 29" wheels to a medium Ziggy Link'd Druid and won't be going back any time soon. The extra wheelbase of the medium coupled with the mixed wheels gives an addictive mix of stability vs agility... it's a lot of fun!
  • 3 0
 @ForbiddenBike: Noice. Big Grin so its a good mix ...... people buy my Bronson so that I could get myself one of these
  • 6 0
 make this bike in a 160mm/150mm configuration and I will buy it asap. I've always been a buy used/buy thrifty guy but I will make a hugely irresponsible financial decision for a high pivot mullet 150mm+ enduro bike like this one
  • 18 0
 @Albatrosse Maybe you will make a hugely irresponsible financial decision and buy yourself some high pivot goodness for Christmas this year.. Wink
  • 7 0
 What's the going rate for kidneys? Willing to sell...
  • 8 2
 Between me loving that shiny purple and the spesh pepto pink I'm really starting to question myself
  • 4 3
 In what way are you questioning yourself ?
  • 3 0
 Now we're talking! Theyre such beautiful bikes. Been on a mullet for the last year and it just fits and still have the rollover, speed and traction of the 9er up front. Appropriate room and quick in the corners with the 27 out back. Hopefully the long travel one is out soon. Im close to making the plunge on a new ride. I wonder if its possible to get a swingarm from a small on a medium frame? The Forbidden bike has lots of standover so for a long torso/short leg a medium would give the reach and standover and the short chainstay swingarm from a small would suit my leg inseam aling with the mullet set up
  • 6 0
 Does this link allow for greater travel in the rear?
  • 8 0
 Hope so. 150/150 mixed would be murder hornet!
  • 13 4
 @Grosey: you guys do realize that the number does not mean everything right? I have this bike and the rear end performs as good or better than other 150 rear ends. Just like weight being able to post numbers online is much less important than the ride itself.
  • 7 0
 @AKRCD: having 130mm with a 27.5 wheel isn’t the same as a 29er!
Still I would love to have one as is. Enjoy yours man
  • 5 3
 @AKRCD: Thanks for this! People need to stop masturbating to bike websites and reviews and actually go out and test try hikes before they judge weight,travel and geometry numbers.
  • 6 1
 @AKRCD: He was just asking the question lol
  • 9 0
 @philmtb99: but this is the porn of my choice. don't kink shame me
  • 4 0
 @sutter2k The Ziggy Link doesn't alter the travel on the Druid.
  • 1 0
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  • 2 2
 @philmtb99: or maybe I know what I want? Nah, impossible. You’re right.
  • 1 1
 @Pyres: exactly
  • 2 0
 this is really smart to bring this kind of updates ! Still, I would love to see a bigger travel version, I think it would really work as the small travel is the only thing that keeps this bike out of my pick list at the moment
  • 1 0
 the reviews and even the forums seem to constantly say it rides like it has more than 130mm... maybe not 160, but people describe as close to 150...
  • 1 0
 @shredddr:
But I am riding a yeti sb6 that « seems to have more than 150 mm of travel » so I am lost now.
  • 2 0
 Forget the numbers. This thing plows through junk better than other 160mm travel bikes.
  • 1 0
 @jpnbrider: my buddy went from an SB6 to this bike. Said it took a bit of time to adjust, but feels this bike is more capable. Anyway, it sounds like they have a bigger travel version in the works...
ETA actually, not a knock on the sb6 - a great bike by all accounts, but I've never seen a review mention that it feels like more travel than it is.
  • 2 0
 @ForbiddenBike, what would happen if you threw a 27.5 inch wheel o the front and bump the fork up ten millimetres. Is that something you have tested? With the Ziggy link or without.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: void the warranty
  • 1 0
 The Druid looks to be a well designed bike - decent kinematics, low pedal kickback, a rearward axle path that should offer a a very controlled and compliant ride - and while the leverage ratio curve seems more progressive than is typical for an average 130mm suspension bike, on this one it seems fit for purpose.
  • 4 0
 So sick. More brands need to offer this.
  • 3 0
 man , thats it im selling the Bronson f*ck it Smile ))))))) I want a mullet in size Large.
  • 5 1
 Why not mullet the bronie? I’ve got a big wheel waiting for a fork to try out on mine. Gonna be delicious!
  • 2 0
 @Silocycle: are you going to run it with a 140mm fork?
  • 2 0
 @Silocycle: I wanted to do that on my Warden too but...too slack! You would need to have 20mm less and will still be slacker! Frown
  • 3 0
 How’s the impulse decision control coming along?
j/k...been there...many times. Wink
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I’ll try the Mezzer set at 150 and go from there. I’ve got 170 on there now so I don’t think it’ll adjust the two much by the time it’s sagged.
  • 1 0
 @Timo82: I’m comfortable with a bit slacker. But by the time things are sagged, there’s not a lot of difference. It’s an experiment anyways????
  • 2 0
 @Timo82: would it be too slack though? The delirium is the same frame and it's specced with a 180 fork. You could run it in neutral mode if you needed, and you could even run a lowered boxxer 29 to lose another 10-15mm of a2c vs the single-crown
  • 1 0
 @Silocycle: hmn , it will be weird, even the new hightower with a smaller wheel behind .... dont know they were not thought for being that.
  • 3 0
 @CircusMaximus: ha ha on point !
  • 1 0
 @Silocycle: Yeah you can try but as I would need to buy a new fork just to try, I won't do it! I would need to have a 150mm 29er fork instead of 170mm 27.5 so a bit weird to have less travel in the front than the rear.... And 20% of sag with a 150mm fork would equal less sag than 20% of 170mm so will be even higher with the 29 if you take into consideration the sag!?

I can't afford a new fork and having a slacker bike but if you can, go for it! Try it! Smile
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: It is already a big frame for me and I like to climb...I don't want a downhill machine but more of a good all rounder... In fact I have a Delirium frame but with a Warden LT shock. I wanted 160mm but I got an air shock so I'll just put it at 27% for everyday and 30-33% if I'm only doing bike parc so I'll have 8mm extra just in case! Won't need it but you never know... If I get a coil I'll put it at 160mm. So yeah, I would like to keep the Warden LT geo as I found my V1 warden to be a bit slack (talking about seatpost) with 170mm lyrik and was happy to have a steeper one on the 2020! Could be slacker for a lot of people but not for me here in eastern Canada!
  • 2 0
 @Silocycle: I am currently undertaking this experiment myself. Currently waiting on delivery of a 150mm 29er fork to replace my 170mm 27.5” on my Bronson V3. Same axle to crown so already done some basic geo measurements using my 29er front wheel off my hard tail in the 27.5” fork. Angles are virtually the same using ‘measure’ on the iPhone and BB remains under 350mm in the high setting so will be interesting to see how it rides when this lockdown is over!
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 @loam-addict: nice! I’m not expecting huge changes in the geo either. Will have to compare notes once you get a few rides in.
I’ve had a fork on order for months! Seems like some supply chains are really messed up. A new frame for my wife can’t ship simply because they haven’t got the oem shocks. Nothing to complain about though.
  • 2 0
 @loam-addict:
Just done my 5010, fork wise went from 27.5 140mm 20% sag with no tokens to 29 130mm 30% sag and added 3 tokens, also dropped the stem 10mm...it rides ace and climbs just the same, bet the Bronson with be mint!
  • 2 0
 @Silocycle: Managed to pick my fork up on eBay, brand new with a good discount so couldn’t turn down the opportunity. Hope yours turns up soon! Also found this website www.bike-stats.de/en which allows you to calculate the revised geo which you may find useful.
  • 1 0
 @Risker: Yeah can’t wait to give it a go!
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: I don't think the delirium is the same frame , where did you see this ? In the past , deliriums were very different from wardens , especially as they are approved to run double crown forks. Heavier . Heavy duty
  • 2 0
 @DGWW: Yeah, i know in the past they were different frames, but I'm pretty sure of that. I don't remember where I saw it. As far as I know, the only difference between the Warden, WardenLT, and Delirium is the shock stroke. Pretty weird that they chose to market it the way they did. It's all one frame with travel spacers in the same shock, and different recommended fork travels. Check out the geo charts... all the changes can be attributed to the different a2c of the 160, 170, or 180 forks.
  • 1 0
 @knollybikes ?
  • 1 0
 @KNOLLYBIKES ?
  • 1 0
 @loam-addict: sweet!
  • 1 1
 @thegoodflow: looking closely around the seat tube pivots , the welds / tubes look different
  • 2 0
 @DGWW: thegoodflow is right! Same frame but with 205x60 for 160mm of travel, 205x62.5 for 168mm and 205x65 for 175mm. I even emailed them to be sure before choosing my frame... I took a special edition delirium as I thought it was looking even better than plain raw. Geo change is only from the 160,170 and 180mm fork travel. The frame is more heavy duty than the first version warden. Don't know if you still put a double crown but I would say no as they didn't talk about it but... you have to ask if you want to be sure.
  • 1 1
 @Timo82: I think that the the linkages in the rear must be different to accommodate. I do think that this modular layout makes sense, but part of what made the earlier deliriums great, was that they were built from heavier gauge tubing, so more appropriate as a park bike.
  • 1 0
 @Timo82: yeah, I haven't seen any confirmation of explicit dual crown approval, but I'd be surprised if knolly built a 175/180 bike that you can't run a dual crown on. I personally wouldnt worry about it... you really think the headtube's just gonna shear off?
  • 2 0
 @DGWW: why must the linkages be different? And why do you think the new warden/delirium isn't appropriate as a park bike? Try looking at it the other way around... they made a new delirium, and the new warden is an overbuilt travel-limited version.
  • 1 1
 @thegoodflow: the linkages would have to be different to accommodate different stroke and also to have a different leverage rate to accommodate the different kinematics in suspension. These bikes are designed with different characteristics in mind. Usually suspension design is a give-and-take... And I wouldn't want my Warden being overbuilt if I'm going to use it for trail riding etcetera.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: ok, well it's all the same linkage and kinematics, the warden and warden lt just use spacer in the shock to limit travel, and of course they'll perform differently because you run less sag. The difference in travel is between the warden (st) and delirium is the same 15mm that separate the fugitive St and lt, and actually represents and smaller percentage of change. It's only 15mm of rear travel and 20mm or front travel, I don't know why you'd think they need radically different tubesets, linkages, kinematics, etc. They're just subtle variations of the same bike. And hate to break it to you, but if you're using the new warden for moderate trail riding, then yeah it's gonna be overbuilt and you'll be overbiked.
  • 1 0
 As I understood, they made a delirium and a overbuilt warden like thegoodflow said, that's it! If the linkage was different, I don't know why Knolly wouln't want to tell us.... I've read about that plus I emailed them a couple of time to talk about it so!?!? lol

@thegoodflow I don't think the headtube gonna just shear off but it could... if not made for that and you broke it, good luck with the warranty. I just said to ask them before putting one... lol
  • 1 1
 @thegoodflow: I ride an endorphin for trail riding and a delirium for bike park / DH duty. The outgoing delirium is much different than the outgoing warden (tubes are thicker, geo different, linkage totally different etc) . It can also run double crown forks. I feel like , based on what I know about suspension design (take with a grain of salt) that you would want the linkages designed around the stroke of one shock, there are a lot of other factors at play as well, needless to say, I'd rather have my bike designed for a specific task, as opposed to being built to handle many different stroke lengths...I'm sure there is more to it than what has been mentioned so far not just a difference in stroke, Id like @KNOLLYBIKES to weigh in, unless you do engineering work for them ?
  • 1 1
 @Timo82: I'd rather have an appropriately built warden rather than an overbuilt one. Makes some sense for the LT model...but for that kind of $$ i'd want a machine built for the specific task it was designed for.
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 @DGWW: As you don't trust us... quoted from my emails with Knolly:

Is the Delirium really the same frame as the wardens?
YES
Only difference is the longer stroke?
YES
So I could take a delirium frame and put a 205x60 shock and it would be exactly the same as a warden?
YES


I won't cry for 0.75 lbs even if I probably don't need it to be that strong..:

Talking about that, how much heavier is the v2 frame vs the v1?
0.75 lbs
lots of added features
beefed up linkage parts
bearing overs bushings
new seat tube is stronger
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 @DGWW: ok then
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 @Timo82: I mean can you really blame someone on an online forum for not trusting a stranger ? White crying about anything , I'm not bothered , I don't own any of those bikes. Always gotta make it a conflict eh ?
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 @DGWW: who's trying to turn it into a conflict? You asked the question, and had two people provide you with the same answer. You then argue based on a bunch of your own assumptions. Why'd you even ask? Just send knolly an e-mail then
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 @DGWW: Well I told you that I emailed Knolly to ask them exactly that question before buying my Delirium frame... What more can I say?! If you don't trust nobody on forums or whatever, just send them an email then! lol

So I spent 10 minutes of my life looking for that email, copy/paste it here and you're not even happy?
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 @Timo82: I'm sorry , I missed that part. I am happy now. Don't worry !
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 @thegoodflow: well I did tag them in this thread , same thing as an email.
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 Purple colour production?
  • 2 0
 Right under the picture Ziggy Link installed into one of our soon to be released colorways.
  • 5 0
 @lloyd506 Soon...
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 Is it called the Ziggy link as a reference to Quantum Leap where Ziggy, the parallel 'hybrid' computer, allowed 'Mr Beckett' to travel through time?
  • 1 0
 Has anyone tried a Ziggy link with a 160 fork? It seems to me that you wouldn’t lose that 6mm of BB height and would add minimal rake.
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 Curious minds want to know!
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 The stock bike handles so good you might think it can’t get any better? Two corners later....
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 Could you run a smaller fork and just have a 27.5 bike? seems like the next logical step, unless it lowers the bb too much.
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 When you guys going to have your t shirts back in stock in xl? I have been waiting forever to get one. I saw you have new colors too!
  • 3 0
 Joe Dirt need to be the name of a bike.
  • 1 0
 Bike looks amazing in that colour scheme
Is that a new factory option ?
Does anyone know ?
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 @Richard7Smith We will be announcing new colours and more soon. But yes it is factory, soon to be available colour...
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 Wow I want one even more now!!!
  • 4 4
 Maybe it’s just me, but it looks wrong to have Kashima stanchions on fork and shock but black on the dropper...otherwise that is one sweet looking bike!
  • 9 0
 Some marketing guy a Fox just jizzed in his pants.
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 This bike is very high on my list of next bikes.
  • 1 0
 And here I thought the mullet meme was dead, haven't seen anything about them in a couple months at least.
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 Only just starting.
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 I really like the idea of this bike, but the big turn off for me is the 450mm chainstay length on an XL.
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 More stable, more planted in corners, more balanced ride...
I think it’s incredible!
And finally another company that makes bikes balanced for all sizes!
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 @stormracing: This guy gets it! Cheers!
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 @ForbiddenBike: I do get it, but what you lose is nimbleness. I think there’s an upper limit as to how long a again stay should be.
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 @stormracing: Norco was doing this for years , didn't one of the forbidden guys come from Norco ?
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 @connerkuhns: please tell me a bike you’ve ridden with 450mm stays.

I currently have a raaw Madonna with 450mm stays and it is extremely nimble and playful. Funny how people judge shit they’ve never tried
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 @Alexthemtbr: I could not manual a bike with 450mm stays. I like to manual
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 @forbiddenbike, did you guys try a longer fork with the stock link as a mullet?
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 @Silocycle We did, but the difference in front/ rear travel made the bike feel unbalanced.
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 Anyone has a 27'5 rear wheel for rent with option to purchase?

@ForbiddenBike keep the good stuff coming!!!
  • 2 0
 I love that colour Smile Yeti SB130 lunch ride edition for sale!!!!!
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 What the benefit of putting smaller wheel into 29 frame since geometry will not change?
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 It doesn’t make a huge amount of sense on paper apart from the reduction in BB drop, and maybe little gyroscopic and unsprung mass from the smaller wheel, but in reality it’s just easier to change direction and adjust line mid corner.
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 @jclnv: exactly. I have a ripmo AF and recently got a chameleon carbon hardtail. In initially set it up 27.5+, first few rides it felt good, but it has 29er dropouts so it felt like the BB was a little low, and like it could be a little slacker.

I threw the 29er front wheel from my ripmo on it and holy hell. It is something else. The ripmo AF shreds and I like 29ers but always feel a bit like a passenger. Things roll along but I'm not entirely in control. With the smaller rear I feel like I have way more space to move the bike around, and the bike is much more willing to move around but I still have security of that big front wheel not getting sucked into holes in the trail. It is great but now I can't help but wonder what a full suspension version would feel like. This is starting to feel expensive. Lol
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 @KennyWatson: it's almost as if riding a 27.5 is better , if you want to be a driver not a passenger. In two years I predict a full resurgence of "little wheeled" 27.5 bikes.
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 @DGWW: I predict even fewer 27.5” bikes and lots of mixers and 29”.
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 @jclnv: I’m thinking the same, 2020/21 will be the year of the mullet. I love my 275 but I’m only 5ft7 so thinking the mullet could be perfect for me.
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 @KennyWatson: put a 27.5 on the rear of my Sentinel, so much better. got some extra travel out of it too!
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 What a beaut bike! Any way of getting these as completes??
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 Just Mulleted my Transition sentinel, it's about time manufacturers are doing the same!
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 Straight up convedserion or you got some geo adjustment? It will.be so low and slack otherwise.
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 @ybsurf: I've run a 216x63 mm shock with a trunnion mount adapter from dirtlabs, I've figured out it puts out between 154-56mm rear travel. It runs f'n sweet with a db inline air, largest volume reducer and a fair wack of HSC. all clearances are good for bottom out!
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 What’s the geo change to the HA & SA & BB.

I’m thinking of putting a 29 140 mm fork to replace a 275 150mm to compensate for HA change probably and best to get a +1 headset but it seems according to a geo site listed here that the headset +1 actual slackens the seat angle even more? Not sure i understand why bringing back the angle +1 drops the SA. Not sure if an error With the site?
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 @Lts3000: sounds killer!
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 @KennyWatson: yeah bud, that bit of extra travel and wheel clearance from my butt!
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 @sostokedaboutthat: I done the opposite, put a 27.5 rear on a 29 frame, so I couldn't comment on the changes putting a 29 on the front of a 27.5 would make.
  • 1 0
 What are the other two colourways I wonder. Purple is announced here. No black apparently.. red and white ? Yellow?!
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 It's doubtful that it will catch on in EWS, majority will stick to 29ers probably?
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one that sees a 130mm modern session 10?
  • 1 0
 It's a 130mm Aurum. Actually...
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 Yo did someone ask for me again?
  • 1 0
 Man the fox orange looks amazing on the first one
  • 1 0
 This bike makes me feel funny
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 I think Yuka will be happy! Razz
  • 1 0
 thank you! Proof of concept others should follow.
  • 1 0
 The Bowie reference just makes me want it more.
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 Can I get a spot on this bike till I get my job back from this Covid game?
  • 1 0
 Can you get those frames in that purple color?
  • 1 0
 Forbidden Bikes may be the Lantern at the end of Time
  • 1 0
 28 3/4” rear wheel would be perfect.
Lol.
  • 1 1
 Have been riding a Devinci 160f-150r for couple years now...been sik...
  • 1 0
 That purple is Nsfw.
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 Baller bike!
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 Very cool.
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 "Mullets" in the year 2020: Durrrrrrr...
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 It's not my thing either (or maybe it is and I just need to try it) but I love the idea of a relatively affordable way to set one up without replacing the whole frame or running a stock 29er frame too low.
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 I would have thought the same. It may not be as efficient, but it rails the turns.







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