Deviate Introduces 150mm Version of High Pivot Highlander

Feb 23, 2021 at 16:42
by Daniel Sapp  

PRESS RELEASE: Deviate

Deviate Cycles today reveal a new addition to their Highlander range of bikes - the Highlander 150.

Continuing to leverage the suspension action, sleek design, and sweet spot geometry of the Highlander 140, the 150 slackens it and switches it up to 150mm of smooth, responsive travel.

The original Highlander 140 is designed to be a capable do it all trail bike, as happy on all-day back-country epics as carving turns at the bike park. The Highlander 150 shifts the focus a little – with that extra 10mm of travel and subtle geometry tweaks, it’s rowdier, with more of a descent focus, and can take the big stuff a little harder - whilst still being a great all-round machine.

The Highlander 150 doesn't just have more travel - the head angle is kicked back to 65 degrees for a little more high-speed stability and confidence when the going gets steep. Additionally, the suspension leverage curve is more progressive which lends the Highlander 150 to coil or high volume air shocks.

Deviate’s high pivot point, and the careful idler placement, mean the suspension performance on the Highlander is the best of all possible worlds, according to Deviate. The rearward axle path lets the bike flow over rough terrain, and as the idler location controls anti-squat, the Highlander has negligible pedal kickback and a deliberate anti-squat curve which eliminates pedal-induced suspension bob. The unique kinematics of a high pivot point design maintains chassis stability and geometry under heavy braking, meaning aggressive riding is rewarded.


Anyone who already owns a Highlander 140 can change it up to a Highlander 150 and vice-versa by simply swapping out the rocker link - making the already capable trail bike even more versatile. The Highlander 150 is still running 29” wheels and retains the Highlander's signature balance of stability and playfulness.

Frame Details
• Lifetime warranty, crash/damage replacement policy
• Fully sealed bearings throughout - high-quality double row, angular contact max fill bearings
• Silent 18t chain idler with twin outboard sealed bearings
• Grease ports on all pivots and idler for ease of maintenance
• Cable gutter for clean lines with care-free maintenance
• 2.8” tire clearance
• Boost 148
• Threaded BB
• Bonded rubber frame protector
• Water bottle compatible
• Accessory mounting points
• 126 link chain - commonly available - no need to join chains








Bikes are now available to pre-order at deviatecycles.com in M, L & XL sizes. The Highlander 150 is offered as a frame only with a choice of air and coil shocks. Prices start at $3200 USD/£2699 GBP and all frames come with a lifetime warranty and crash/damage replacement policy. Shipping is free worldwide.






192 Comments

  • 175 1
 We’ve had DH Week, DC shootout, Endurbro Comparo. What we need is: High Pivot Hijinx! Forbidden vs Deviate vs Actofive vs Norco vs whoever else wants to step up.

Get to it PB!
  • 24 0
 Kavenz 160 vhp
  • 13 2
 Great idea! Or even an original high pivot like Balfa vs a new high pivot comparo!!
  • 8 0
 Nice design but wish it came with a fanny pack????
  • 6 1
 Waiting for the new Cannondale to drop before they roll this out. It is a great idea!
  • 5 4
 But the noise! The maintenance! It's all too much! This is just a fad! But seriously, Forbidden will take the high ground here. Would love to see this!
  • 2 3
 Meh
  • 2 0
 Needs more Redalp.
  • 2 5
 @MRwillP: noise? Have you ever actually ridden a high pivot bike? My antidote dark matter makes zero noise. The only thing that makes noise are my i9 hydra hubs.

Maintenance? Yea...you definitely never owned or ridden a HPS. I have yet to change out my chain. And that’s with nothing but park riding.
  • 5 0
 @kroozctrl: #sarcasm from @MRwillP
  • 3 0
 @salespunk: 4 Shocks on the new Cannon perhaps...
  • 1 0
 @curendero: and a new linkage fork with 3 shocks as well
  • 125 0
 How do they have another Highlander? In the end, there can only be one.
  • 1 16
flag niconj (Feb 24, 2021 at 10:31) (Below Threshold)
 It’s the 140 with a 150 link. It’s the same as before.
  • 4 0
 @niconj: it’s a quote from a film from the 80’s

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_
  • 6 1
 @kipvr: good job offering the slow pitch.
  • 1 0
 @superfastzellyfish: I don’t get it. I just converted mine from 140 to 150. Except for the color it’s now the same bike as in the article.
  • 66 0
 That is one very tasty looking mountain bicycle.
  • 2 0
 I agree
  • 42 10
 PB when a large brand reuses the front triangle - "What is this garbage!"

PB when an up and coming brand reuses the front triable - "Oh hell yes. Shut up and take my money. Why aren't more companies doing this?"
  • 37 3
 You might actually be talking to 2 separate people.
  • 2 0
 Makes sense, just do what cascade would do.
  • 6 0
 I don't think people care when they release different editions of the same bike optimized for different things. This is more like Rocky Mountain's BC edition of bikes than some places where companies are using the same triangle on their 130 trail bike and 160 enduro bike.

Now, I'm not saying that reusing triangles is an issue necessarily, but this is clearly a different configuration of the same bike (it even has the same name), and Deviate will even sell you the link if you want to put yours in that configuration.
  • 10 1
 Triables>Triangles
  • 20 0
 Oh god yes! The Highlander is probably going to be my next bike. I really like how they allowed you to retrofit the new 150mm rocker link on to the 140mm bike.
  • 2 0
 I just did that to mine.
  • 1 0
 @niconj: did 10mm make much noticeable difference?
  • 1 0
 @unrooted: I don't know yet. I haven't ridden it yet as I was waiting for new bars.
  • 1 0
 @unrooted: Update. Yes it did. It feels more capable now.
  • 18 2
 “- Ramirez: The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the perfect warrior. If he wins The Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness.
- Connor MacLeod: How do you fight such a savage?
- Ramirez: With heart, faith and steel. In the end there can be only one.”
  • 26 1
 "Yesh well, as you can probably guesh from my accshent, i'm Shpanish-Egypshan. Although a lot of people confushe my accshent for Shcottish and Russhian, even though they shound nothing alike".
  • 8 0
 @DidNotSendIt: lol, to be fair he might have lived in Scotland for a hundred years at that point. I know a guy who went to Canada for 6 months and came back with an accent.
  • 10 0
 Sean Connery unexpectedly received a piece of footwear in the post. He said he got a shock.
  • 2 0
 @HankBizzle: I had a friend who had a college roomate (living here in oregon) from New Zealand and he started sounding like a kiwi after a few months.
  • 9 0
 After living in Canada for multiple years and returning home, you don't magically have new vocal chords. Your pronunciation of words changes so people can understand you. I found out that buying a towel when I first got to Vancouver was troublesome for myself and the sales person. Not his fault... we don't pronounce 'towel' like that at all.... It more like Tao, or Taaal or even Tawh. God we sound stupid in Australia
  • 2 0
 @Waldon83: Australian accents are the only other accents I can easily cope with
  • 21 3
 Hot take- I think these bikes look better than Forbidden's....
  • 4 0
 I don’t know, different, but I couldn’t tell you which one I prefer. Both extremely nice.
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez - yeah I think I agree. I want a Druid badly, but in Australia they force you to pay $1000aud more than the advertised price. Deviate have one price for the whole world. I’ll go with that option, even though they won’t be ready until August. Happy to wait.

Hear that, Australian distributors? Stop gouging us
  • 6 0
 @short-but-sweet: it's true. We actually have an Australian dealer who retails the frame for the same as us. They may even have stock - drop us a line and we can pass you on.
  • 1 0
 @deviatecycles: thanks guys. I just did so
  • 1 0
 @short-but-sweet: where you getting $1000 from? $4250 cad vs $5000 aud. Do Australia prices include tax?
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: it’s AUD $5299 for a Druid down here. Advertised price in CAD$4249 = AUD$4283.

So yeah , AUD$1000 price hike
  • 1 0
 @short-but-sweet: Canadian pricing for anything excludes taxes where our prices are all inclusive. There's probably still a bit of a difference when that's accounted for ($300-500?) but it isn't $1000.
  • 1 0
 @wickedskilz: hm good to know, thanks. I’ll adjust my views
  • 1 0
 @wickedskilz: so it’s a 5% sales tax in bc, not applied to the listed price. Ours is 10% as listed.

There’s an import duty and shipping. Dunno exactly what they’d be. That said it still had to be a substantial & dubious ‘Australian Tax’ applied to many Mtb products.

Many Mtb companies have prices close to parity across international markets, including Australia. Then for some products it’s substantially more expensive to buy them here. I suspect it has much to do with the dealer/importer in question and/or whether the original bike company enforces price parity.

I’d be interested in the finer points on this if anyone knows.
  • 2 0
 @short-but-sweet: a lot of it depends on the volatility of the exchange rate. If you set a price a the beginning of a year, you want it to be about the same at the end, or at least so you aren’t losing money and also, it costs more for US/European companies to ship to Australia. Some companies spread that across all their offerings, others don’t. If you think you are being screwed by the manufacturer, rather than AUS taxation/import, buy from the US/Europe and import it yourself, you’ll soon see if you are being screwed.
  • 1 0
 @short-but-sweet: duties are usually pretty similar across most Western countries - as much as I've seen. The EU had or has very high duties on some bikes from China where others previously didn't. There's probably an extra layer to buying a bike in Australia with the distributor added whereas some companies will self distribute in their home markets. I dunno what that layer is worth or how they should be compensated, but it has to be something. They're handling customer service in that market, and they pre-ordering and pre-paying for frames, so there's some level of risk and capital involved. Deviate sounds like they're going direct to a dealer, bypassing distribution. I'd be curious to see if they stick with that model once they're serving 5+ dealers in Australia...
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: that’s the thing, Deviate do have Australian distribution but are keeping price parity. For some reason some companies can and others can’t. I’m sure the reasons why might be complex, but one can’t help thinking they might not always be.
  • 14 0
 And I'll tell you these guys look after you. Ben has answered all my questions directly and comprehensively, and made it so easy to jump on one. Thanks Deviate, looking forward to the maiden ride this weekend!
  • 3 0
 Agree wholeheartedly with this statement! Deviate are super good to deal with.
  • 12 1
 The 140 is crazy capable, this is just icing on top! Love that it just requires a linkage swap, more manufacturers should build that sort of upgradability in their frames.
  • 21 0
 Like Guerilla Gravity Smile
  • 2 1
 @Jacquers: Yes! Was looking at getting a GG actually before going for the Highlander.
  • 3 0
 Cascade
  • 13 0
 I'm staring at this bike the way Ron Swanson stares at bacon.
  • 7 0
 And a brunette with breakfast.
  • 12 0
 Deviate Highlander VS Forbidden Druid, has to be done surely!?
  • 25 0
 Agreed. But don’t call me Surly
  • 9 0
 Better, Druid vs Highlander* vs Dreadnought.

*With both 140mm and 150mm links
  • 1 1
 One thing i like about this design is that the chain still goes under the seatstay, where the druid's chain goes right above it. So I assume there may still be plenty of chain slapping on the druid but on this, the chain is far away from any tubes to knock against and makes for a quiet ride.
  • 4 0
 @twonsarelli: But the chain moves up and down when it slaps, so I guess it would not make a huge difference
  • 2 0
 @likehell: it moves up and down a bit yes, but the chain is very far away from the tubes in the case of the highlander. i do not know if the chain noise is significant on a druid but i can say from experience that on the highlander, it is basically zero. no touchy, no noisy
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: One day I'll try one.. but they are very rare over here
  • 1 0
 @likehell: i would highly recommend it if you get the chance. if not, most other bikes are really good too haha
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: Druid produces no chainslap whatsoever, exactly because the chain is so close to the stay. Very little room to move and the rubber damper takes care of it.
  • 1 0
 @jmcdaniels: that's awesome. it is such a rad looking bike too. with a 150/160 highlander, i am really tempted by the thought of a druid as a 'little' bike. maybe that is just a little too much high pivot for one human though
  • 6 0
 Who knew a 1995 GT RTS was one pulley away from predicting cutting edge 2021 suspension designs. The RTS was my first full suspension bike and my first appreciation for how chain-growth affected suspension (positively and negatively). I'm loving the modern high pivot bikes... in retrospect it seems like such an obvious advancement yet it took 20+ years and living through a period of time when so many full suspension bikes were such turds before the term anti-squat became widely appreciated.
  • 2 1
 Single chainrings have helped an awful lot... in defence of 1995 suspension designs Wink
  • 8 0
 Big tires, lots of mounts, external cable routing... this is a riders bike.
  • 11 4
 If only this was in aluminium...
  • 6 0
 Regular boost spacing and 2.8 tire clearance? What wizardry is this? Love it.
  • 7 0
 Shhh... dont tell anyone I have 2.6 tires on my old 135 hub. MAGIC!
  • 6 0
 Free Worldwide shipping, That's worth a fortune in current climate!
  • 2 0
 Such a beautiful bike! I own the 140 in Skye Blue and it is the first full suspension bike that feels right to me. The grip, the way the bike accelerates of berms. Love it! And for a 2 man shop, they are very communicative. I was able to get my frame during the early months of the pandemic. Sure, things were delayed a little but it wasn't Deviate's fault and I was kept informed. Any one that is high pivot curious should try one out.
  • 2 0
 I’d like to see a comparison of high pivot bikes since there are a few on the market now.

And maybe do some efficiency tests. Power loss should only be a few watts for bearing drag on the high idler pulley. I’d give up a few watts for a lot of capability!!
  • 3 1
 Long arse chainstays that only get longer as the suspension compresses, ugh. Start short, get longer, this makes more sense. I'd take Forbidden for this reason alone. Compromising chain wrap to reduce friction is not something I like in a big that's gonna be ridden hard.
  • 2 0
 Long chainstays are the way to go in my opinion, the forbidden has 450mm chainstays on the size L and goes up to 462mm. That’s long. Long chainstays make it easier to turn, especially on flat turns and they also make it easier to get the weight on the front. The only time I feel like short chainstays are better is in the air, but we all like different things so for some, short will be preferable.
  • 6 2
 I'm so terrified of smashing that lower link on rocks. Exactly what happened with my old Niner
  • 30 1
 At the sag point it's rotated back and out of the way of impacts. The chainring/bash also protects it.
We've not heard of anyone having this problem so far - and if anyone does damage the alloy link, it's an easy replacement and would be covered under our crash/damage replacement - so inexpensive.
  • 4 1
 i have about a dozen rides on my 150 highlander and even with plenty of rocks getting spit up from the front wheel not one of them has hit the link. i think it is a non-issue!
  • 2 0
 @deviatecycles: That's good to hear. I pretty much like any bike that has grease ports on the suspension parts.
  • 1 0
 This is amazing. Strongly considering being that that Dreadnoght may not be available for a while. Throw on a 170mm fork and i'm happy. Chain stays are a little long for me though at size medium. Something Forbidden was an early adopter of.
  • 5 0
 one of the best looking bikes out there!
  • 9 7
 I had the 2021 forbidden Druid and the chain idler was so loud it psychologically made me feel like I was pedaling through peanut butter

This one says silent. Is it really silent? Forbidden made the same claim
  • 2 0
 It is silent. See any review of the bike. Pinkbike reviewed the 140.
  • 9 0
 I have a 2021 Druid and have not noticed a single sound from the idler pulley. No drag either.
  • 4 4
 @chwk: that’s wild. It’s one of the biggest reasons I sold the Druid. So much drag and noise from the beginning. Might as well have been dragging a trailer behind me.
  • 8 0
 @tkrumroy: I'm just going to assume you took it apart, greased it, made sure all the parts were there, etc. Forbidden didn't have anything to offer you as far as help? I've heard one or two Druid owners with that issue and it was down to a spacer missing between the pulley and the frame.
  • 5 0
 You had something wrong with your setup. Mine has been totally silent. Maybe the wrong chainring offset side-loading the idler?
  • 3 0
 I use the forbidden idler and its totally fine also. no perceivable drag and more or less quiet.....
  • 3 0
 Haven't had that issue. There was something wrong with yours.
  • 4 0
 +1 for no noise or issue from my 21 Druid idler pulley. Never noticed any drag either, but unless somethings bad enough to stop me having fun while riding, I probably won’t notice it.
  • 4 0
 Same here no noise or much more drag but after a long ride is muddy wet trails I start to hear a grinding noise but that's about it, nothing to complain about.
  • 4 2
 @chwk: I bought it brand new from the factory. If they had something wrong then it was their fault. But no, I took it apart and the same problem. Don’t know what to tell you. I’ve spoken to plenty who have had the same problem. I think many people shut don’t want to admit it
  • 5 0
 Sorry about your pulley. How many people do you know with this bike?
  • 3 0
 @chwk: I also have a silent Druid and would not hesitate to get this version of the Highlander if I wanted a burlier bike overall. Right now the Druid and my DH bike make a nice 2 bike quiver.

What I can say is all of these high pivot bikes are more sensitive to setup then standard drivetrain bikes. I was not able to get my Druid setup to perform silently and to have the best suspension performance it could by myself. I needed a good mechanic at a great local shop to tune it and once it was done the bike has been flawless since.
  • 2 0
 I have the Highlander. When the chain is clean there’s no difference to a normal bike. When it’s dirty it’s a bit louder but not that audible during normal riding.
  • 3 1
 @tkrumroy: very interesting to hear that. Forbidden druid was definitely a very tempting bike for the future. Seems like some people don't mind a noisy bike but that kind of thing drives me crazy lol. Any little noise and I'm spending tons of time trying to eliminate it vs my buddies bike can sound terrible and he's not even aware.
  • 3 0
 Just a thought: whether or not you get noise from the pulley could be down to chain brand and how it interacts with the idler pulley.
  • 1 0
 @Crossmaxx: very possible. I put a brand née XO chain on there when I bought the bike since it required 34 links and I couldn’t move over an old chain. I gave it my best go lol
  • 4 0
 Looks rad. How about a frame with a 450(ish) reach. Super common size (usually a “medium”)???
  • 3 0
 I can't say nice enough things about the company or the bike, Deviate has done an outstanding job with their design and customer service.
  • 1 0
 I want this in my life; damn that's a hot looking bike. Anyone else catch the fact that it appears the only things that have changed are the rocker link and the front fork? Didn't sound like there were changes any more significant than that to yield the additional 10mm travel.
  • 4 1
 At least we still have Canfield and Ibis who aren't trying to price themselves out of the market.
  • 3 0
 $3200 for a small batch carbon frame manufacturer... that’s right in line, if not lower than similar offerings.
  • 1 4
 @stevemokan: are you describing Deviate's products? I just went to their website... $4600 for frame and shock. Not at all in line with my expectations. ????
  • 7 0
 @Bullit-Boy: once you change your address in check out to a US address it will take off the 20% UK sales tax that is included in the price you're seeing now. Our website should detect your location and change prices - but that's not appearing to work.

There is no combination of frame and shock we sell that comes to more than $4000 USD.
  • 4 0
 Well that is desirable.
  • 1 0
 serious question: with changing the rocker link on the 140, does the HA stay the same at 66, or does the rocker link slacken the HA to 65?
  • 1 0
 Slackens by 1°, as does the STA.
  • 1 0
 Does anybody know if you can run a standard 126 link chain on the Forbidden's? Or do they require more? Just curious - both bikes look great.
  • 2 0
 I think I had to out 134 links on my XL Druid when I had it
  • 3 0
 Do they have a picture with the lights turned on?
  • 1 0
 @deviatecycles: Why only black for the Highlander 150? What happened to the awesome blue color, and will any other colors be offered?
  • 1 0
 Yoy can buy any color with 150 link.
  • 1 0
 @Naman777: Where do you see that? I only see black listed on the website.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam: get in touch with them directly, the different coloured frames are all the same, it’s just the link that is different.
  • 1 0
 @tomhoward379: I wish they would provide a color palette on their website. Good to know that you can request other frame colors though.
  • 1 0
 Looks incredible, but gaddam! $5,000 Cdn for just the frame?! But free shipping, so I'm in :-)
  • 4 0
 It works out as near enough exactly 4000 CAD with free shipping for a frame with no shock. The GBP price is with VAT (20%) included as we must state VAT inclusive prices by law in the UK. The USD price is stated without any tax.
  • 1 0
 Thistle purple in XXL please!
I’d like greater reach and stack for us big folk.
Gorgeous looking bike
  • 2 0
 The high pivot companies are conspiring against tall people. Kavenz has a 540mm reach option but even they don't do a longer chainstay option.
  • 1 0
 @alexsin: thanks for sharing, wasn’t aware they go that big.
  • 1 0
 @ironhorse-rider Damn, how tall are you, 6'10"? If you need XXL you need wheels bigger than 29er...
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam:
6ft6, 29ers and longer reach frames have been welcome developments in mtbing for us tall folk!
Some brands xxl is similar to other xl sizing. I’d love to try something around +525mm reach and a large stack. (My current bikes are around 500). There are some brands out there making larger bikes, just haven’t tried them yet.

Love the look of the highlander and being a Scotsman, it’d be nice to support the home team.
  • 1 0
 @ironhorse-rider: Wow, I would have thought you'd be taller than that. I'm 6'2" and sometimes I think my XL frame is a hair too large. But yes 29ers were a godsend when they arrived. The 26ers always felt twitchy unstable and frankly like little clown bicycles.
  • 2 1
 I love the new wave of high pivots. Is it time to start commenting every bike post with "Looks like a Druid"?
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230 Yes where the frames look conspicuously similar.
  • 2 0
 some other bike brands are going to have to deviate around this one
  • 2 0
 @deviatecycles are we going to see Andrew get a link for a review?
  • 1 0
 Am I mistaken or did they shorten the reach quite a bit on the XL when compared to the original highlander?
  • 2 0
 You didn't mistake. 150 link shortens the reach on any size of Highlander with 140 link. But note that the geometry of 140 version based on 150 mm fork, not 160.
  • 2 0
 Looks like my new frame
  • 2 1
 Tune in next week for the highlander 160
  • 1 0
 Bling ....I like, I like a lot.
  • 1 0
 Is it me or does that seat angle look a lot steeper than 75 degrees?
  • 2 0
 The seat tube is straight, not offset - actual STA = effective STA.
  • 2 0
 It’s basically 75 effective and actual. So feels steeper than most which list an effective angle because it maintains that angle at any height.

So happy with mine, got it on preorder. Unbelievably stable and composed but still super playful. Some might criticise the head angle but because the wheelbase grows under compression it means the bike maintains responsive handling under hard cornering.

I would expect here are people crying out for an XXL (just make sure the seat tube doesn’t get any longer)
  • 5 0
 It's a true seat angle measured from the BB.
Most frames you'll see quote an effective angle (a virtual line drawn between the BB and intersection of seat angle on the horizontal line with the top of the headtube). Their true angle is slacker than the "effective angle" because the forward axle path of the rear wheel requires an offset seatpost for clearance. Our rearward axle path allows us to run a true angle.
The advantage is that the true angle means that when you put your saddle up beyond the intersection line from the top of the head-tube (which most riders do) the true angle is maintained which means that we don't require as steep a seat angle as other manufactures to achieve the same seated riding position.
  • 1 1
 Got it
Comparing to other bikes effective vs actually. Looks like that is one steep SA, 79ish?
  • 1 0
 my 150mm highlander measures 76 STA and with my saddle pushed forward a bit, it comes out at about 78. the HTA angle measures a bit steeper too, about 65.5 - 66
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: All depends on tyres/forks etc. How have you "measured"?
  • 1 0
 I thought so too
  • 2 0
 @deviatecycles: Yes, for sure. I am running a 2.6" DHF on the front on a 35mm internal rim but a SS on the rear at only 2.3" - so if anything, mine might be a bit slacker due to puffy front tire, but I have no idea if that's actually a fair assumption.

I measured the seat tube directly with the app on my phone (only sensitive to 1 degree I think) and got 76 (great news!). When I measured the line between the bottom bracket and where my sit bones would actually be on my saddle, I got 78 (even better news!). I measured the fork legs themselves and got 66, since the shape of the head tube looked like it would make it hard to get an accurate reading. All of the other measurements like wheelbase, chainstays, etc. were basically spot on to the geo chart.

I like all of these things. I don't think my HTA needs to be 63 to perform well. I have a lot of tight uphill switchbacks that are difficult even on a short bike. This bike is 70mm longer than my other rig and I can still make it around all of those tight turns. Additionally, it is a bit slacker than my other bike too, so I am not suffering in any way on the descents (I wasn't before anyway).

As an added bonus, inside the front triangle I have 2 water bottles, a pump, a mount to hold 2 additional CO2 canisters and a bag with 2 tubes, a pair of pliers w/ quick links and a tire lever! Combined with the multi tool and chaintool in my bars and the DART strapped under my saddle, I am fully equipped. This bike is perfect for me and shreds in silence to boot.
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: We're delighted you're getting on well with the Highlander and we absolutely agree with you that for the intended use of the Highlander the angles work great. Additionally, it's worth noting that the unique suspension kinematics which a high pivot point enables compliment these fairly "conservative" angles maintaining chassis stability and the HA under aggressive riding.

I'd caution that a phone app won't provide an accurate measurement and your garage floor would have to be calibrated. However, measuring the fork leg won't provide an accurate HA. The angle is from the centre of the front wheel so the rake of the fork will affect the angle. This probably accounts for your slightly steeper reading than we quote. The angles we state in the geo chart are the result of measurements taken with the specified fork in our design software and therefore are extremely accurate.
  • 4 0
 Crop the picture along center of BB and check how far back nose of saddle is from the edge. Super easy way to compare manufacturer's angles. Do a few bikes, you'll find the published seat angle numbers often have zero correlation to reality.
  • 1 0
 @deviatecycles: yes indeed. Far more interested in how it feels riding than what any of the #s say! In that sense, I couldn’t be happier.
  • 1 0
 @deviatecycles: could you clarify... Is HTA an angle between centre of the front wheel and ...? (Top/Mid/Bottom of the HT?)
  • 1 0
 Wahhlaaa, I fit into a large again.
  • 3 5
 Nice looking bike, but ouch. Almost $5k usd for frame and shock only, shipped with customs duty to US. Makes other dentist bikes look cheap Wink Maybe time for a new PB demographic category for these........????
  • 7 0
 It's $3200 USD for a frame without a shock. This includes shipping. There will be an approximate customs charge of 4% of the value payable upon import. If our website is displaying a higher price it's because it thinks you are in the UK and it's adding UK sales tax on at 20%. In check out if you change your location to the US it will update snd remove this tax.
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 @deviatecycles: Thanks for the reply. I selected usd then clicked on the change link and it was over $3k until I added the shock. Showed 43-4600 with shock. Hopefully it was just an error either way. Good to know!
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 @livlief: if you're interested give us a quick message and will make sure the pricing you're seeing online is correct.
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 If you are seeing a price above $4000 USD for any frame and shock combination, our store is including UK tax at 20%. Inputting your address in checkout as USA will remove this tax. We're working on ensuring that your country is detected and you see the appropriate prices before checkout. Apologies for confusion.
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 @deviatecycles: glad to see this clarification... I was shocked at $4600 when I didn't include address.
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 Shut up and take my money!
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 The reach numbers are about a size off?? 435 med?
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 The downside of using the same carbon triangles with a different link for this bike, is that increasing the travel shortens the reach a little. Although the seattube is fairly short with full insertion for even 210mm droppers so lots of riders are sizing up on the 150.
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 Cascade Components be like "um... you just stole my next product."
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 BB looks high! Is the "approx" height listed at sag?
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 i feel like the only people that own these are instagram influencers.... actively rep'ing the brand hard even thought they barely ride
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 My 81 Insta followers can’t get enough of mine.
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 Sweet bike.
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 Why did they ditch the gearbox on the Guide?
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 Any other colours?
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 We're sticking to black for now due to popular demand. The Highlander 140 was originally released in Blue and Yellow, but is all sold out. We may bring back these colour for all Highlander models in the not too distant future.
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 @deviatecycles: Congrats on a great looking bike, and I'm also loving the last photo. Can't wait to get back up there once the snow is gone and lockdown is lifted.
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 $5000 cad for frame w/o shock. steep.
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 As we've said in other comments it's more like $4000 CAD for a frame with no shock including shipping. The GBP price is including UK sales tax at 20%>
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 Deviate? Who thought that one up..
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 what's the actual STA?
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 It's the same as the effective STA, there's no offset of the BB to the seat tube.
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 Shame it’s not 64 HA and 77-78 seat angle. Too conservative for me.
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 my 150mm highlander BB to saddle measures 78. the HTA does measure 66 with my super sensitive phone app.. however, the wheelbase gets longer as you move through the travel and i have not once thought it needed to be any steeper.
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 Trust me you do not need a slacker head angle due to the wheelbase extending under compression. But if you so wish a angle set will give you both of those numbers.
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 @the666ers: honestly it was a typo- meant to say it doesn't need to be slacker. it is fine where it is
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 In a design like this, it's important to consider the suspension kinematics when looking at angles.

As said by @the666ner, HPP's have an extending wheelbase under suspension compression, maintaining stability. Additionally, under heavy braking the high anti-rise figure means the HA is maintained reducing the need for a slack HA.

It's also worth bearing in mind our true seat angle (unlike most manufactures who have an effective angle quoted, with the true angle much slacker) means that for most riders the seat position is equivalent to a much steeper angle.

A successful bike is a combination of angles and kinematics, not just about hitting a specific angle.
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 @deviatecycles: I think this might be my next bike because of the true STA. Ill switch over all of the parts on my Wreckoining. I think your bike is a great bike for super tall people
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 Very nice looking bike but that external cable routing is dated by 10 years.
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 Lol! External cable routing ftw!
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