Video: Nomad vs Altitude vs Slash vs Spindrift vs Shore - Field Test Roundtable

Dec 14, 2020 at 19:08
by Mike Kazimer  

PINKBIKE FIELD TEST

Enduro / Freeride Bike Round Table


The five bikes that ended up in the enduro / freeride segment of our latest Field Test provide an interesting cross-section of these categories. All of the bikes have at least 160mm of travel, but lots of travel doesn't necessarily mean a bike is only suitable for shuttle and bike park laps – the 170mm Santa Cruz Nomad and 180mm Propain Spindrift are prime examples of bikes with generous amounts of suspension that still worked very well on less wild trails.

The Norco Shore was the bike that stood out as being the most singlemindedly focused on the descents. It does have a comfortable climbing position, but there's no hiding that 63-degree head angle and 37 pound weight, and it felt like a handful unless the trail was extra-steep, and preferably contained more than a few high speed sections.

The Rocky Mountain Altitude and the Trek Slash are the most purebred enduro race bikes in this group, the two options that could easily handle the range of tracks found on the Enduro World Series circuit, everything from the tight, switchback filled trails of France to the fast and rough stages that the Whistler stop has become known for.

I ended up with my fastest lap time on the Altitude, but the Slash felt fastest, likely due to the extra length and stiffer frame. Is one better than the other? That's entirely a matter of personal preference, although if I had to pick an 'every day' bike out of these five that I could also race I'd go with the Altitude. If overall speed wasn't as much of a concern I'd pick the Nomad and its 27.5” wheels - that was another bike I could hop on and instantly feel right at home.

What about last year's winner, the Specialized Enduro? Where does that fit into the mix? Well, it still holds its own – a year later and remains a very relevant bike. Compared to the Altitude, that extra 10mm of rear travel and low-slung suspension layout give it the edge when it comes to plowing straight through chunky sections of trail, and if I could only have one for a day in the Whistler Bike Park I'd go with the Enduro. On the flip side, the Altitude is a little more maneuverable, and in the tight stuff it'll wriggle quicker than the Enduro. The same goes for climbing – the Altitude's a little easier to get to the top, which fits with its do-it-all nature.

You'll notice there hasn't been any mention of price or value yet – that's on the way. Stay tuned for a comparison video where we dig into the list of models for each bike and pick out the ones that offer the most bang for your buck, and the ones that don't.


Trek Slash
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.1° head-tube angle
• 75.6° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 486mm (large)
• Weight: 32.5 lb / 14.7 kg
• $8,000 USD
Santa Cruz Nomad
• Travel: 170mm rear / 170mm front
• 27.5" wheels
• 63.7 or 64° head angle
• Seat tube angle: 77.5°
• Reach: 472mm (lrg)
• Weight: 32.6 lb / 14.8 kg
• Price: $7,399 USD

Norco Shore A1
• Travel: 180mm rear, 180mm front
• 27.5" wheels
• 63° head-tube angle
• 77.7° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 480mm (large)
• Weight: 37.4 lb / 17 kg
• $5,199 USD
Rocky Mountain Altitude Carbon 90 Rally
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.4° head-tube angle
• 75.4° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 474mm (large)
• Weight: 31.4 lb / 14.2 kg
• $9,099 USD

Propain Spindrift
• Travel: 180mm rear, 180mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.5° head-tube angle
• 78° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 475mm (large)
• Weight: 33 lb / 15 kg
• $8,599 USD (approx.)

Which of these five bikes would you most like to try?







The 2020 Pinkbike Field Test was made possible with support from Dainese apparel & protection, Sierra Nevada refreshments, and Smith eyewear and helmets. Thanks also to Maxxis, Garmin, and Freelap.



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164 Comments
  • 189 0
 Multi-generational bike test. LOVE the idea of putting 5 Nomads up against each other.
  • 55 0
 Agreed! Or any bike they can source multiple generations of. Thirty years of Stumpjumper or some silliness.
  • 9 0
 Yes Mikes, people would love to see that.
  • 26 2
 Every version of the Orange 5 from the 2000 Sub 5 onwards. Mainly to see if they can keep track of which version is which, is that a 2007 or a 2013?
  • 4 0
 And if pinkbike doesn't do it Santa Cruz definitely should
  • 8 2
 Perfect. Make it a double blind test. All new and identical componentry. All frames painted flat black. Only difference is the frame. All these dumb tests with varying xtr to GX parts and comments on other things isn’t isolating what I am buying - the frame. Ill put my preferred parts on anyway. Just review how the frame rides!
  • 12 0
 @TwoNGlenn: apparently theres some dudes in a white van in Northern Cal that have all the generations of Stumpys driving around.
  • 1 0
 1st thing I noticed was they pretty much have the same silhouette
  • 3 0
 @Trudeez: And a white ten speed.
  • 1 0
 For sure. Would be a great test to see. The mk2 was so much better with the push link fitted. The technical climbing ability of that mk2 nomad when it's super steep and gnarly is incredible.
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: Or a 2005 with 2019 stickers that someone just paid £2k for on eBay and now they're hearing the bad news.
  • 65 2
 I think it could actually be better if you guys would have the last year's winner on test with the new bikes. It is only fair that a winner should "try" and defend his crown.
It would also show improvement or the lack of in one year. Without fresh back-to-back test, you can rely only on memory..and we all know our human brain tendency to alter the perceived emotion/feelings/even facts from a past time.
  • 14 0
 I think it would be entertaining if they just included last year's bike when doing the timed portion. I don't think they need to do another full review of the bike
  • 2 1
 @friendlyfoe: yeah, of course; for sure the bike's handling and behaviour did not change.

Who knows, maybe Mike takes the bike back from Mike, throws a set of control tires on it and goes for a timed run.
  • 16 1
 They can't do that. What if a bike from 2017 was still the winner now?!

They're trying to sell bikes, which means selling us the idea that our current bike isn't up to it. Constant, perpetual obsalesence!
  • 6 0
 @Altron5000: serves them right for coming up with model years in the first place.
  • 4 1
 Should be this years spec though which has the same year components as the bikes currently on test. For example this years enduro comes with the Fox 38 rather than 36. Would be interesting to see if Mike would go with the S3 this time round rather than the S4 if given the choice.
  • 2 0
 @friendlyfoe: Excellent idea.
Also, was there potential for a separate grouptest on freeride/park bikes?
  • 1 0
 THIS! PLEASE! Just getting the winner from last year would make this test so much more useful!
  • 57 3
 Hi Mike, nothing to say about this spindrift? You have something for every bike, even one that isn't in the test, but (almost) nothing on the spindrift. I know there is a full review, but just like the other one of this test.
  • 7 2
 He talked about it quite a bit in the podcast
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer

Curious about this too.

You mention a few times how the spindrift climbed much better than you expected. And about how it felt “poppier” than you thought it would be.

But how well does it compare to “all mountain” bikes like the Norco Sight, Transition Sentinel, or Banshee Titan?

Could it be a fun 1 bike solution for the PNW? Or would it make places that aren’t Galbraith or tiger mountain feel super boring?
  • 13 0
 Yeah this annoyed me too. It's the bike I'm most excited to hear about but it feels like it was neglected more than the other bikes in the roundtable and the podcast. I'd love to know what sets the Trek and the Altitude apart from the Spindrift as it seems Mike preferred those two. Some more details would be nice.
  • 2 11
flag jwdenver (Dec 19, 2020 at 18:05) (Below Threshold)
 Feelings hurt?
  • 1 0
 @ocnlogan: interesting the careful selection or wording he made " 480mm reach and geo are my sweetspot..this year.." .. I guess a dad bob would decrease the ideal reach ??? @mikekazimer
  • 6 0
 The poll seems to indicate that the Spindrift is the 2020 people's champ.
  • 9 0
 So it's the 2nd fastest on the descend, shared fastest on the climbs. It felt very well balanced, yet is playful. It has lot's of reserves but has a geometry that is not too extreme so it works for many people and many types of terrain. So yeah, not quite clear why it does get so little attention in the round up video.
  • 7 0
 @Verbl-Kint:

Seems like people are interested in riding a bike that is both compatible with dual crown forks and pedals better than two new EWS race bikes (and nearly identically to the SC VPP platform).

I know I'm curious.

It "almost" seems like you can have your cake and eat it too potentially. Something that sounds like you could ride it at your local place (in certain locations) and still take to the bikepark comfortably.
  • 4 0
 @CS645: you forgot how good value it is. And the fact it doesn’t bob like the RM on the ups
  • 5 0
 I'm interested in whether you felt the Spindrift was compromised on the descending side, being such a good all-rounder @mikekazimer ?
This is an observation rather than a complaint - but the PB team's comments often seem to assume buyers would only have the one bike.
However, I like to have two or three bikes to cover different kinds of trails. The Spindrift could be a good option to replace my current 170mm / 190mm super-enduro sled (which I ride/carry up mountains and do push-up/pedal UP DH on) - but I wonder if its bump-eating abilities are lesser than something like the Specialized Enduro?
  • 32 2
 Nomad is my every bike. It’s also my freeride bike and my downhill bike.
  • 4 0
 This is my everyday bike also. I have owned V3, V4, and now V5. V4 is a killer bike. First thing I noticed when sitting on the V5 was how good it felt for pedaling, great neutral position. On my V4 I had my seat slid forward to have a better pedaling position. V5 has addressed that and is in great position right out of the gate. If you look at the V4 and V5 side by side the frames definitely have different characteristics. Just because the shock is in the same position doesn’t mean the homework wasn’t done. I have both in my garage and I can tell you first hand. Little tweaks go along way. Pick the bike you like and ride it.
  • 19 1
 The Spindrift is a lovely looking bike... love the matt grey with the orange highlights from the fork and shock.
  • 14 0
 And you can choose from 3 frame colors,10 (!) sticker colors,grips,saddle and even head tube badge. Very nice.
  • 18 0
 DO IT! Multi-generation Nomad comparison. Loved my old ‘07 and ‘09 Nomads.
  • 14 0
 @pinkbike is there a video of the test trail that kazimer uses? It would be interesting to add more context to the times and what mike has to say about the bikes.
  • 2 0
 That would help. Additionally, some of these bikes are “racier” than others. I understand time and travel constrained things this year but would also appreciate additional test loops to identify where some bikes outshine others. One human-powered lap on a big climb/big descent trail, one shuttle trail that’s too steep to climb up, and one bike park lap.
  • 7 1
 It's called Double Down in Bellingham. There a few videos of it, including one of Jeff Kendall-Weed riding it.
  • 1 0
 @MarcusBrody: sweet thx
  • 5 3
 @MarcusBrody: not exactly the trail i would choose to test something like the shore or spindrift ????
  • 8 0
 @Stokedonthis, that’s just where the timed portion took place - I tested all the bikes on a variety of trails, including plenty of rough, steep terrain where 180mm of travel is very appropriate.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: -out of curiosity it's mentioned which bike you would choose as your everyday bike, and i was just wondering what you use as that now?? also would be nice to see what you would swap out on these bikes almost right away - be it bars/cranks/tires/rims etc
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: thanks for the response. I find context super valuable with these bike tests and having a helmet cam video or something really helps to see for the timing and compare among the bikes. Bellingham has plenty of primo trails for testing and was just curious which ones you chose to do the timing on, arguably better than what squeamish has to offer for this type of bike. thanks for the great content. please do a dh bike field test! once again you guys have the primo trails to test on
  • 6 0
 Interesting that the Spindrift is the leader in the poll.

Not surprising though. Who doesn't want to try out a 180mm bike that pedals better than an two EWS race bikes? And also, Propain isn't all that common in the US, so I'm curious how they feel as well.

Looks like lots of people feel the same Smile .
  • 7 0
 They're acknowledge the Shore is a freeride bike but then criticize it for its performance of enduro trails. I suppose that's where many/most potential purchasers would ride it, but it's not quite fair in my mind.
  • 8 1
 From his comments about the Slash and last year's Enduro, maybe sounds like the smaller M/L would have been a better fit on the Slash?
  • 4 1
 There's definitely some merit to that idea. Enduro Mag just put out their 2021 Enduro Comparison review and it sounds like their tester, at 180cm, preferred the M/L.
  • 1 0
 @Zimbaboi: I'm 6'1" and the large 2021 Slash fits me perfectly. I remember @mikekazimer being a couple inches shorter? I had the previous gen, also in Large, and this bike feels and rides a lot bigger. Last gen I could have ridden the XL, this gen no way.

Very solid reviews though Mike, Mike and the PB team, exceptionally well done! We just love to nit pick...
  • 7 2
 Rocky Mountain prices kinda suck. I think I'd go with the Slash if I'm spending my own money. Downtube storage and never riding with a pack is very under estimated. I haven't ridden with a pack in over a year and I'm never going back.
  • 4 1
 I like the downtube storage idea, however if I'm going on a long enough ride to feel like I need tools, a tube, snacks, etc then I'm carrying extra water anyway. I definitely see the utility of having downtube storage, I would probably carry tools on more rides but no way does it eliminate carrying a pack for me.
  • 3 7
flag emptybe-er (Dec 19, 2020 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)
 Never would’ve guessed that storing things in the frame would be an actual selling point. The slope is getting slippery. What’s next? Maybe a motor to help haul all the accessories?
  • 2 5
 @emptybe-er: and parts rattle in the frame, water sloshes in the bottles. It is a terrible solution. Spend a thousand dollars more to drop a lb off the bike weight then add two lbs of water and crap to weigh it back down. My solution? Rides no longer than 1hr and 1 mi from the car!
  • 7 0
 so the Propain was the best climber. where did it lose points compared to Rocky Mountain? I am pretty sure not in the descends.....so why not the propain?.....
  • 8 1
 On the subject of weight.. my Hightower weighs 36.4lbs with pedals haha. Oof.
  • 11 3
 No mullets? I can't say any interest me then.
  • 6 0
 Propain is available as a mullet.
  • 2 0
 @Ethan12345678: so it is. Cheers. I have voted accordingly.
  • 4 0
 Mike; Would you say tha the Propain Spindrift is likely similar to the Specialized enduro ? Could it be a one bike to do it all ? enduro tour on Sunday winter and bike park during summer ?
  • 4 0
 The idea to test all generations of a bike is a fascinating one. Presumably you would take the bare frames and put brand new modern components on all of them, to eliminate component spec from the comparison?
  • 4 0
 Where is the in depth Zeb Vs 38 review that Dan Roberts has written? Saving this as a Christmas treat or axed for political reasons? Not even a mention of any differences here!
(Great field test by the way - thanks)
  • 2 0
 It’s still on the way - you’ll be able to read / watch that in January.
  • 3 0
 Ripping down black and double black trails on the Shore is it's own sport. Requires a different set up. That's where bikes like the Shore come into play. Teck gnar . Some of us have flow with in and have no need to ride smooth flow trails. I want the squish of a DH bike ,a rear shock with a simple lever to put bike into climb mode. Keep the anti squat numbers low with a progressive leverage curve on the rocker. External cables for easy maintenance. 27.5 wheels with adjustable dropouts like the Intense bikes had.
  • 6 0
 Nice one, Thx Pinkbike, Mike and Mike Smile
  • 5 1
 @MikeKazimer I was surprised to hear you choose the Altitude...how do you think the Specialized EVO fits into this category, if at all?!
  • 2 0
 I never said anything before, but the blast white background that's used for almost every Norco just makes all their bikes look bad compared to how they actually look. Kills all the details and makes the frame look (for lack of a better word) anemic.
  • 2 0
 In europe, at least in France, a well featured spindrift is 4500€, at this price you can only have rock shox select and nx components for the other ones, so basically there is no match between them and it is the strategy of Propain. So is there a real interest buying it at a santacruz price if you live in america ?
  • 1 3
 you mean GX components... NX components are not available in any build in the configurator.
  • 1 1
 @amonas: I dis non really check, you understood the idea behind it
  • 1 0
 @amonas: For 4500 you get a Spindrift with GX or XO1 compared to other bikes specced with NX at this price...
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer (or anyone): if you were getting one bike for a mix of very rowdy (half folks on DH bikes) and rocky cross country/all mountain riding ( a 130 bike would probably be ideal), would you you choose a longer travel bike with moderate angles (like the Spindrift) or a slacker geo bike with less travel ( like the Marin Alpine Trail)?
  • 1 0
 Back in 2017 when I got my Jeffsy. The altitude was a close second out of my few choices. And the 2021 version would definitely not disappoint!! Also, the norco shore looks sick! It would be way too much bike for my local trails, (Only 100-300 ft vertical, with lots of pedalling) but that would be a fun bike. Plus it’s an alloy frame, and 27.5” wheels???????? party!
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the comparisons with some older bikes, it's helpful since most of us don't get to test ride every new bike. I have a '20 Enduro and it was good to hear how it compares to the others in the test. Also nice to hear how a new bike compares to previous models, for example comparing the new Nomad and Slash to the older versions is interesting.
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer I'm just wondering how your impressions of the Trek Slash would have been if you were on the M/L (with 50mm stem) instead of the L size? I'm thinking that would have made it more of a fair comparison with the Rock Mountain Altitude.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer why isn't overall bike size as important as reach? With a slack HA and little bit longer CS you get the whweelbase which in turn will make a bike more stable. Why then also have the long reach?
I sometimes wonder how different the feeling of a bike would be for you if you would review 5 different bike but choosing size on wheelbase instead of reach. Or front center length instead of reach. You and @mikelevy aren't super tall but are always reviewing size large. I understand it from a couple of years ago but not anymore. It seems like most EWS riders choose shorter bikes than what you're on.
  • 8 4
 Why did everyone vote for the Spindrift?
  • 6 0
 It’s the only bike that probably isn’t available at people’s local bike shop
  • 6 1
 people like an underdog small manufacturer. it is pretty also
  • 11 5
 Rocky and SC don't blow my skirt up. No hate... just no love. Trek makes a great bike, but it's Trekness is off-putting, specifically the gimmicky shock and knock block. I don't want to deal with an idler.
  • 18 0
 ...because it is the bike they "most want to try"? Just a guess.
  • 6 0
 Cause its sexy
  • 2 0
 Less common than the others, I wouldn't mind a spin on the shore too, but I think I'd like the spindrift more...I ride up hill nearly every time I ride.
  • 16 1
 It's a long travel bike that seems a surprisingly competent all arounder. Its geometry seems dialed but not extreme. It's good looking, and can be had for a very good value (esp. in Europe but the base trims in the US too). Pretty much no one has ridden it.
  • 2 1
 Because i own a propain rage 2018 and it is awsome. Would like to test the mullet with 190mm though. In fact i would like to test all configurations!
  • 1 0
 @Glenngineer: what's so bad about an idler?
  • 7 5
 Because Santa Cruz and Rocky Mountain top bikes are so often visible now with that weird newbies in shiny kits on family singletracks
  • 3 1
 @ybsurf: nothing in particular, I value the simplicity, especially in the drivetrain, of not having it more than the benefit of it being there. I could definitely see myself on an idler equipped bike at some point...but the idler was part of my thought process when I passed on the Druid this season. Not that the Druid isn't hot fire, I just didn't want to get into an idler.
  • 17 0
 @MarcusBrody: This is the correct answer (at least for me). I personally don’t give a shit that it’s the underdog, or not available at shops, or that it’s pretty. It’s the fact that they made a massive 180 mm bike pedal well and kept it relatively light. That’s holy grail status for a big bike IMO.
  • 7 0
 Because based on the review videos it won this Field test
  • 4 0
 Really curious about that suspension platform. From the reviews/podcasts it sounds like it makes 180mm of travel manageable on the climbs.
  • 1 0
 Good question, I have no use for 180/180. That's freaking huge for my trails.
  • 5 3
 I feel there is kinda similar situation with enduro bikes as there was ten years ago with cx bikes. They were sold to everyone yet like one in ten used them actually to race.
  • 44 1
 Depending on where you live and how you ride you don't need to race to appreciate an "Enduro" bike. I don't race but I am fortunate to live in Colorado. The downhill sections of many of our trails would be considered blue/black or black-diamond at many DH resorts. I will continue to pick the most aggressive bike I can climb to the top because I do not care about my climbing times and I really care about ripping the descents. The latest generation of Enduro bikes offer nearly the confidence of a full on DH bike, and they climb better than "trail" bikes from just 4-5 years ago.
  • 5 0
 @KJP1230: amen
  • 6 3
 @KJP1230: dunno... I'm in Golden and finding myself on my epic evo quite often. Gapping water bar doubles into rock chutes on 110mm while ripping longhorn? Shit yeah that's fun.
  • 3 0
 @KJP1230: I agree. I have a '20 Enduro and it's perfect for many CO trails as well as resorts. I want an Epic Evo too though. Although I can do long rides with big vert on the Enduro it's overkill and pretty heavy.
  • 7 0
 @KJP1230: Yep. A lot of people who would have bought downhill bikes in the past are now buying enduro bikes. They're plenty for most people's occasional bike park days and pedal increasingly well to boot.
  • 3 1
 @sspiff: Look, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't rip an XC/Trail bike on those trails. It's all a matter of trade offs and priorities. Epic Evo sounds rad, but for me I'm confident I'll have more fun on my "big" 170mm enduro machine.

I also climb for the exercise - I'm getting to the top no matter what, but I've gotta work harder for longer on a 35 lb. behemoth! My wife appreciates the extra calories I burn. Helps to offset the post-ride beer.
  • 2 0
 @davec113: I also have the 2020 Enduro. I seriously cannot believe how good this bike is. I built it with a Fox 38, and it is easily more capable than my DH bike from just a few years ago. Several days at the park this year ripping jump lines on my daily rider. These bikes are getting absurdly good.
  • 3 0
 @davec113: Agreed, I also have an '21 Enduro and its a beast, 36.9lbs, definitely wanting to have something slightly more pedal friendly.
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: i wouldnt say they climb better, specially if you time it. i timed my climbs on a ht1 from 2016 a million times and when i upgraded this year i found that while the pedaling feels great (better actually!) its consistently slower by a fair amount. i think a combination of weight, length and a little bit efficiency make the difference. i woudlnt go back tho!
  • 2 0
 @skyrez18 @KJP1230 Enduros are great bikes! Mine is also right at 37 lbs w/38, DHX2 and Cush Core. Epic Evo would take an easy 10 lbs off and pedal like a road bike in comparison, lol...
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: did you find the front getting a bit too high with the extra 2cm on axle to crown length compared to the 36 or is it no problem? Thinking about getting a 38 myself but 2cm is quite a bit.
  • 2 0
 @KJP1230: this kinda was my point. I do like riding downhill but I dont like racing.
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: I live half an hour from lift service in nj and I love my nomad, i also ride it around the trails around my house and some parts it’s overkill but I’ve never get bored on it
  • 3 0
 @Upduro: I don´t know how you came to that 2cm difference but it´s not even 7mm in reality. Significant, but not too much.
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: yeah I am a dumbass, please disregard my comment. I read it over on vital in a forum (I think?) and just had that number in the back of my mind. 6.6mm according to bike mag, may they rest in peace.
  • 2 1
 @Upduro: I might write that comment...it is 19mm...but 19mm from a '20 fox 36 to a 180mm RS Zeb.
All the numbers are:
Fox 36 170mm from the S-works 2020: 577.1 mm
Fox 38 170mm: 583.7mm
Fox 38 180mm: 593.7mm(obviously)

Lyrik 170mm: 581mm
Lyrik 180mm: 591mm

Zeb 170mm: 586mm
Zeb 180mm: 596mm

I always thought that the 2020 enduro would look great with a 180mm fork, as the chasis is so competent it looks like the front would benefit from a slight increase in travel. That's problematic with the '38 and the Zeb, as they are by default at a higher axle-to-crown at the same travel height. At 180, especially for the Zeb, things go a little off.
  • 1 0
 @eugenux: I've built my 2020 Enduro with a 170mm 38, and I cannot say that I feel any issue with the slight change in crown height vs a stock 36. Sure, it'll change your effective head angle a tiny bit, but you can also choose different bar/spacer height and offset most of that. I think I could pretty easily get away with a 180mm air spring - I just might try it this summer!
  • 1 1
 @KJP1230: with a 170mm 38, I'm sure there aren't too many problems, as they have used 170mm lyriks and those were 581mm atc; 3mm extra length doesn't matter that much.

17mm(16.6 actually) for the 180mm fox or 19mm for the 180mm zeb on the other hand, that might make a difference..at least that's what she said.

Thb, I'd be less concerned for the atc and more concerned for the bb height.
  • 1 3
 @davec113: my ‘20 enduro is 29lbs. Is that pretty heavy?
  • 1 0
 @Jvisscher: how, do u have fox 32 stepcast and carbon xc wheels?!?
  • 1 0
 @skyrez18: WeAreOne union wheels from down the road. OneUp cockpit. Xtr drivetrain. Stock lyrik fork. Forecaster tires is the biggest thing. I went through a couple dhf /dhr during the summer at the bike park but have the light wheels on for xc around my place in the off season. My wife has an s2 and it is 29lbs as well depending on the wheelset that is on. It adds three lbs to put the butcher/stock wheels on.
  • 2 0
 I would’ve liked to see the Commencal Meta AM in this group. Idk what it is, but every time I see that bike it just looks rad.
  • 2 2
 Is it me or is this misleading. Like if I'm buying a 10000 dollar bike. I better know the components on there not the dimensions loll like anyone going to know how the bike ride because of that.. Good thing I'm a 26er for life.
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 Pretty good discussion. Thanks.
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 Not one of those bikes, as awesome.as they are, are affordable for the average rider.????
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 @pinkbike how did the casing on the control tires held up? Your preferred DD .. was the used casing good enough?
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 I think SC is pushing the “ebike look” to the consumers. The more boxy, ugly their acoustic bikes become, the less weird their ebikes look to our eyes.
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 Out of curiosity, which part qualified as "paid promo"? It didn't feel like anything was forced.
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 Beer and knee pads Smile
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 If Propain starts selling their bikes in North America then I will buy one in a heartbeat tup
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 Asking for a dentist friend. If you already a trail bike, which one would you pick as a second bike for park or shuttle days?
  • 2 0
 Nice guys! I’d love to see a Nomad comparison.
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 Spindrift any day. After riding bikes with steep actual set angles, I would never, ever buy anything thats not.
  • 3 1
 I wonder how Evil Wreckoning compare to these with its Delta Suspension
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 @mikekazimer I was surprised to hear you choose the Altitude...how do you think the Specialized EVO fits into this category, if at all?!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy I can eat more doughnuts than you
  • 2 0
 Give me a Knolly Chilcotin
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 What if the nomad is a 29 wheels.. would u considered it? or make it a mullet.
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 Can't do non Chinese plastic frames lol
  • 1 1
 Slash looks nice but don’t want a thru shaft to let me down one more time.
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 @COMMENCALbicycles raised their price $200 on this bikeFrown
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 Ripmo is all the bike you need
  • 1 1
 *seat
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 Plastic Plastic Metal Plastic Plastic Know dam well which one I would have!!
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 Plastic?
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 @Dini2k: might as well be
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 So Salsa sent you guys a Blackthorn to review but not a Cassidy???

Hope to see a Cassidy review soon!!!
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 Typical....
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