Pivot Unveils New Carbon Phoenix

Feb 16, 2016
by Vernon Felton  
Pivot Phoenix Carbon DH 2016
Wait. Isn’t this the same Pivot Phoenix DH Carbon that’s been hanging around a year or two now? You have to ask the question because, let’s be frank, this bike sure looks a lot like the bike that debuted back at Sea Otter, circa 2014—a sleek, full-carbon gravity sled that rolled on then-novel (for DH, at least) 27.5-inch hoops and boasted a weight on par with your average all-mountain bike.

For the record—this isn’t the same bike. Appearances not withstanding, you’re looking at a new Phoenix Carbon. The devil’s in the details and if you know anything about Chris Cocalis, the guy who founded both Titus and Pivot Cycles, details are what he’s all about. To that end, Cocalis knew that while the Phoenix Carbon was a long, long way from being long in the tooth, it could be improved.

Phoenix DH Carbon Details
• Full carbon frame
• 27.5" wheels
• 204mm dw-link suspension
• 62.5° head angle, adjustable +/- .75 degree
• 442mm chainstay length
• Fox Float X2 shock with Evol
• 157mm X 12mm rear end
• Full length internal cable routing
• Internal dropper post compatible
• Cold forged alloy linkages with Enduro Max Cartridge Bearings
• Sizes S, M, L, XL
• Colors: blue, stealth black
• Frameset: $3,299 USD, Zee Build: $5,499, Saint Build: $7,599
www.pivotcycles.com / @pivotcycles


Pivot is billing this new Phoenix Carbon DH as “the lightest, strongest, fastest, most technically advanced and stylish DH chassis in the world”. Well, that's bold. There are, after all, a hell of a lot of impressive bikes roaming the woods these days. With the new Phoenix, however, Pivot is making a compelling argument.

Rider Elliot Jackson. Photo by Colin Meagher

A LIGHTER, STIFFER FRAME

“The original frame was light, but we’re constantly learning more about composite technology—both materials and construction. We were able to up the stiffness numbers in key areas while reducing weight and increasing strength.”

Lighter, stiffer….you’ve heard the drill before, but, when it comes to making better-handling bikes, those two things never grow old. To that end, Pivot tweaked frame profile and lay-up. The result is a World Cup-ready DH frame that loses an impressive 300-plus grams—that’s roughly two-thirds of a pound for all you Americans.

Or let’s put it this way: You could build the Phoenix Carbon into a sub-31 pound gravity beast. Hot. Damn.

Pivot Phoenix DH 2016
Pivot Phoenix DH 2016

NEW SPRINGY BITS, MORE MUD CLEARANCE

The Phoenix Carbon will accommodate your garden-variety, coil-sprung DH shock (the frame happily mates with three-inch stroke, 9.5-inch eye-to-eye shocks). Pivot’s team riders, however, unanimously opted to go with the Fox Float X2 and that’s how the company is spec’ing the new model.

“The small bump compliance is just incredible,” says Cocalis. “But it’s also a very tuneable shock. With the new EVOL air can, you can really tweak the spring rate by adding or removing volume spacers. You get even better compliance out of it than we’ve come to expect from coil-sprung shocks, yet also, achieve just the right amount of support to get a great, poppy feel from the bike that makes picking up the bike really easy.”

Cocalis also saw the re-design as an opportunity to improve rear tire clearance and reduce chain slap.

“The previous design was created to clear the gamut of DH tires on the market currently, but when the guys were racing some of the muddiest World Cup races, we were seeing paint rubbing away from just the incredible amount of muck on those tracks, so we changed the swingarm profile. Tire clearance is pretty monstrous now,” explains Cocalis. “We also realized halfway into the season that the chain was sometimes slapping higher up on the inside of the seatstay than we’d expected, so the frame protection there has almost doubled. We’ve also added new protection on the front upright of the rear triangle.”


Rider Elliot Jackson. Photo by Colin Meagher

WORLD CUP OR BIKE PARK? BOTH.

Some things didn’t change on the Phoenix—most notably the geometry and DW-Link suspension.

The Phoenix Carbon’s geometry continues to follow the long front-center and stubby rear end mold. How long is “long”? The size Large frame sports a 654-millimeter/25.75-inch top tube, so yeah, that’s sprawling by anyone’s standards. Pivot’s goal? Create a bike that boasts great front-end stability and is still a blast in tight corners.

“If you compare this bike to a lot of models on the World Cup circuit,” says Cocalis, “we’re on the leading edge in terms of top tube length.”

Riders can rage about angles till blue in the face. Cocalis admits that it’s hard, if not impossible, to find a single, “perfect” geometry for a bike that is going to be plowed down World Cup courses on the Continent and played about on at bike parks in North America. To that end, while the Phoenix rocks a 62.5-degree head angle, Pivot also offers geometry-adjusting headset cups that will alter the head angle by ¾ of a degree.


Pivot Phoenix DH 2016

“The Phoenix geometry was really designed around the World Cup—the headtube is pretty slack, the BB is very low—but you can also adjust it. If you look at the Phoenix, you’ll see it has a very compact headtube, with a fair amount of stanchion sticking up above the top crown. That allows for a lot of flexibility. A lot of people who will be riding the Phoenix are going to be riding it on U.S. courses and also in park settings. Those people can slide the fork down a bit, use the steeper ¾-degree setting on the headset, get their bottom bracket height up a bit and create a bike that’s more optimized for those types of courses. In short, it’s a bike that works for a really wide range of riders.”

The Phoenix Carbon sports the same seat tube and head tube length across all four model sizes, which enables riders to choose frame size based on their ideal reach and ride feel, rather than on standover clearance. Pivot’s approach also opens up the Phoenix to a wide range of rider riders, from the vertically challenged (down to 5’4”) to the leviathans (6’7”) amongst us.

Since no conversation about bikes is complete without some hand wringing over wheelsize, it’s worth noting that Cocalis and company were originally considering making the frame capable of running both 26 and 27.5-inch wheels (via convertible dropouts), but found that the Phoenix still proved a snappy, nimble machine even when shod with the slightly larger wheels. Consequently, they opted to stick with 27.5 hoops, figuring that if there was no loss in maneuverability, they might as well outfit the Phoenix with larger wheels that’ll help cleave seconds off your run through technical sections.


Pivot Phoenix DH 2016

While Dave Weagle’s DW-Link rear suspension design is more common on cross-country, trail and all-mountain bikes, Cocalis feels it's a suspension system that works just as well for gravity riders, which is why the Phoenix boasts 204 millimeters/eight inches of the stuff.

“You know, that’s kind of funny,” says Cocalis, “since Dave got his start in the downhill world with the Iron Horse [Sunday] design. DW-Link is great because it enables us to create a bike that pedals better than anything else in the downhill category thanks to its anti squat and variable wheel travel path. And because the Phoenix Carbon doesn’t squat down deeply under pedaling force the way so many single-pivot bikes do, we are able to lower the bottom bracket height and slacken the head angle to achieve the best performance in the most technical descending sections without having the cranks constantly striking everywhere else on the course.”

Pivot Phoenix Carbon geometry


Pivot Phoenix DH 2016


Action shots by Colin Meagher.


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  • 153 0
 That right hand berm in the second picture....
  • 33 0
 So curvaceous in all the right places.
  • 5 0
 thought the same
  • 23 47
flag Rasterman (Feb 16, 2016 at 6:47) (Below Threshold)
 Beautiful bike, but $2000 more for carbon to save 300g on a DH bike. Illogical.
  • 31 2
 I'm proud to call that my local trail
  • 8 0
 Thought that I was the only one. Big Grin
  • 6 13
flag gte213u (Feb 16, 2016 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 where is it?
  • 24 1
 @Rasterman its not a 300g weight savings over aluminum... They redesigned the frame and shaved off 300g from the previous phoenix carbon frame.
  • 8 1
 ^ which was pretty damned light ! I want this bike so badly ...
  • 11 1
 The spot that many men have a hard time finding Wink
  • 4 0
 Look up elliot jackson riding in Antarctica, you won't be disappointed
  • 2 0
 @supatramp couldn't have said it better
  • 9 1
 They don't call it a "right hand" berm for nothing Wink
  • 9 0
 The trail is called Lizard Rock in Wildwood. Bring your hardtail
  • 2 0
 Gotta rail that one hard!
  • 4 0
 sycamore canyon - backbone
  • 1 0
 Just don't pay attention to the other goon!
  • 116 19
 one of best looking DH bikes at the moment...
  • 175 47
 I am sorry to hear about your glaucoma.
  • 23 55
flag Bennnnnnnybike (Feb 16, 2016 at 2:25) (Below Threshold)
 Well that's just not very funny is it Patrick?
  • 28 2
 hahahahahaha
  • 26 9
 I agree, this bike looks great! Another thing that caught my attention which wasn't fully discussed was internal dropper post routing. On a DH bike. That's awesome!
  • 9 1
 I agree, and one of those that are much more striking in person. Pics don't do that frames beefiness justice. Drool (though I do much prefer the all black of its predecessors, fits the character of the frame much better)
  • 10 1
 the black is sexy, but the blue is still pretty darn hot. Very nice colour scheme
  • 78 9
 Non-kashima Float X2? But how will you be able to let all of the poor people know your bike is worth more than their car?
  • 14 6
 Must be your monitor. Mine shows the shock shaft as brown, plus you can see the kashima emblem on the side of the shaft near the top.
  • 7 4
 Yes, and with a Boxxer RC.
  • 9 1
 The first picture doesn't have kashima but the rest do.
  • 11 1
 First picture is a stock photo of the Zee build kit which has a cheaper parts spec. Hence no Kashima and cheaper fork.
  • 15 1
 That makes me think I'll have a kashima logo tattooed on my shaft and save on lube.
  • 2 0
 What car can you buy these days for less than $5k (and not spend $300+/mo fixing it).
  • 2 1
 More talking about the 7k saint build. And to answer the 5k question, virtually anything that's a toyota, honda, or subaru.
  • 2 2
 He said "and not spend $300+/mo fixing it"...as a former Subaru enthusiast I can testify that Subaru DOES NOT qualify. Having owned a new Honda of recent vintage I also find it hard to believe that Honda could possibly qualify as my $30k Honda would have cost me that much per month if not for the warranty.
  • 33 0
 love the Phoenix but please pivot don't get rid of the neon yellow/green color way pls bby
  • 3 0
 It comes in straight black as well
  • 3 0
 Wait, I that wrong. Pinkbike REALLY needs to let you edit comments on mobile
  • 3 0
 Read* (REALLY)
  • 18 1
 I only ride gay black
  • 25 0
 Why @vernonfelton write an article on PB?
  • 3 0
 came to ask this myself. Have I missed something?
  • 2 0
 He is senior editor at Bike Magazine. But, idk whether he is BikeMag's Vernon Felton or not.
  • 5 1
 Yep....know who he is. And, maybe you know this, maybe not, but Vernon isn't a particularly common name in USA, and I haven't known many Feltons either, so for there to be two different guys with that name to both end up in bike journalism is an extreme long shot.
  • 4 2
 You're right dude. It's just in my country having more than one person with the exact same name is really really really rare.
  • 6 0
 Pretty sure it's the same guy...oddly enough, his title now on the BIKE web page is "Vortex Hunter".
Not sure what that means, but it has been a long time since I've seen a "Web Monkey Speaks" article, which is a shame.
  • 3 0
 "Vortex Hunter" is probably related to the vortex in Sedona, AZ.
  • 4 0
 Reviewing a downhill bike too. . . . Odd!
  • 77 0
 Hey, guys, Vernon here. There's just one of me. As of today, I'm a tech editor here. Cheers.
  • 4 0
 : O
  • 8 0
 @vernonfelton what about BIKE?
  • 18 0
 @vernonfelton that's bigger industry news than a 300g lighter downhill bike. Been noticing your byline over at adventure journal too.
  • 4 6
 DirtEd was doing a bike review for Pinkbike some time ago. I am glad Dirt stepped it up in recent weeks because I was affraid of eventual merger with PB. It would be PinkbUK
  • 3 0
 Woah. Didn't see that coming @vernonfelton
  • 6 0
 Wow, pb just got a lot better. Vernon is the main reason I subscribe to Bike mag.
  • 21 2
 I'm already broke! Stop showing me cool bikes I will never own!
  • 21 10
 I still don't get how could anyone be looking to buy anything except Yt Tues... The Whole carbon bike for the price of a carbon frame from Pivot? Well...
  • 7 5
 agreed!
  • 13 11
 With the YT you're getting a disposable bike that you'll pawn off to some unfortunate teen after you break a linkage part and are unable to find a replacement. You get what you pay for, and carbon is only a positive if it's well made...
  • 11 6
 sounds like you must've had a tall glass of hatorade

not a problem when YT is in reno,nv. Probably more of a problem for those in Merica Jr Smile

I'd still get an alum YT
  • 8 4
 Because the pivot rides better.
  • 11 10
 I bet all exclusive bike makers are shittin themselves to some extent, regarding Gwinning on YT. If God's kid pulls it off, it will take some time and money to write stories justifying 7k+ expenditures. Companies will have to come out of the closet, put their balls on the table and say how it really is with production of their CF frames. At this moment I have simply no data, other than fairytale assurance that this Pivot, S-Works Demo or SCruz CC are any better than a YT.
  • 4 1
 Ride them. Then you'll see if it's worth it or not.
  • 6 7
 Give me one for free for a week and I'll be filled with love. Otherwise my money tell me to remain sceptical. Having a super bike in the past and waiting for a second even more porny one, leads me to thinking that no bike of any kind is worth more than 4, max 5k$. Particularly one looking like something inspired by end credits on 80's sitcom with a kilo of powder coat on it
  • 2 2
 yep!
$7k + super bike = getting taken for a ride by a manufacture - 30% value loss in 6 months!!

my wallet doesn't like that kind of math
  • 6 2
 Personally, I won't read much into how Gwin does on the Tues one way or the other. I could argue that he rides at such an ungodly (or "godly"?) level that he would make rocks sad on any modern DH bike. Or if he struggles, I could say he's still adjusting to the geo and once its dialed, he'll be back to donkey punching the field again (i.e. the Demo saga). The only thing that would truly be disastrous IMO is if the bike was literally flying apart on race/practice runs, and I don't expect that to happen.

I would also say that not all carbon is equal. Specifically, not all carbon manufacturing QC/QA protocols and designs are equal. It may be relatively subtle differences, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm not defending the high asking price for a lot of carbon frames per se, but to some people its worth the extra coin (especially if you specialize in cosmetic dental surgery).

Thankfully I'm slow enough so that none of it matters, and I'd probably be just as fast (or faster) riding a grocery cart down the hill versus the new Phoenix. But I would take the Phoenix if given a choice since it has a more comfortable seat.
  • 7 1
 Because Pivot makes bikes for men. Love that they do a biiiig XL size! Plus it looks great, has dropper post routing, and DW Link rips.
  • 5 0
 My jaw dropped when I saw the XL size! It's huge! (A good thing)
  • 3 0
 Your numbers are wrong, the YT Carbon sits at $1200 more expensive than a Pivot frame and $1000 less expensive than a Pivot complete bike, Certainly a significant savings, but it's completely untrue that a frame costs the same as a complete YT.
  • 2 1
 For once Waki, regarding value of the bike, you speak sense, have you had a crash recently to your head, comment of the day, no bike is worth more than 4k! unless it is a 450MX Bike, yeah one with an engine! Easy to lose 300 grams off any bike btw with an Air Shock, btw groms before u slay me, I realise its off the frame itself, still a alloy Mondraker Summun, could rival previous Phoniex for weight with same build and it was alloy! Just pointing out facts. still good work Pivot def a sexy bike.
  • 1 1
 @src248 In Europe Pivots Saints build is 2500€ more expensive than YT Tues CF Pro with YT having a marginally better spec.

@Maverickdh00 - I meant A- diminishing of returns above 5k is staggering and B- a slightly knowledgeable and more importantly patient person can build a 7-8k bike at 4k with marginal compromises.
  • 8 0
 Glad they didn't change it too much from last year, the anti squat and pedaling efficiency is the real deal. I'm 250 and rode my '15 to and from the track & eventually as my trail bike, the suspension curve is highly progressive. That was with a rc4, imagine the x2 is in another world. BB is stupid low tho, rails like no other.
  • 3 0
 No such thing as stupid low when it comes to bb height Smile
  • 5 0
 Yes there is...if you're digging trenches with your bash guard when you bottom out it might be too low. I have a bike that was 12.5" before I did a little modification to keep it out of the ground.
  • 13 4
 Definitely one of the best looking DH bikes at the moment, and reading about DW link makes me miss my Sunday...
  • 1 0
 No joke. I had a Sunday and no matter how hard I beat it, it just kept going. The only issue was wearing out bearings, then the actual DW link. It would wobble in 5 directions and make horrible noises, but kept a smile on my face longer than all subsequent DH sleds. Wonder if Phoenix owners have similar bearing wear issues?
  • 2 0
 We haven't seen bearing issues on any of the Phoenix versions - alloy or carbon. If you check out the links, they are nearly twice as big as what Ironhorse used, we also use larger bearings and pins. Check out the upper rocker as well, it is very stout!
  • 9 2
 Sam Hill may consider Pivot once he's done with Nukeproof.
  • 3 2
 I don't think so.
  • 4 1
 Are you Sam Hill? Or can you read his mind?
  • 41 2
 Look! Same flags.
  • 6 1
 be interesting to see if the top DH guys on factory rides would secretly prefer this, particularly with its long reach (cough Minnaar cough)
  • 4 4
 No ratboy.
  • 6 2
 Did pivot improve reach on the mach6? That thing was cramped/slack st too.
  • 10 3
 Nice pics of Elliot riding the g spot
  • 3 0
 Jackson is legit.
  • 7 1
 It's getting to the point where you may as we'll buy a used cr250 and just drop the engine...
  • 3 0
 bro bikes are so damn fancy these days, i dont even know how to tweak em, i would just ride em how they are and learn to adapt to it, obviously not the best way to do it but goddamn all these angles and adjustments . feel like a grandpa
  • 4 1
 I've got a 2016 Phoenix with an X2 and let me tell you, that bike rips! I rode it for the summer with an RC4 and just recently upgraded to the X2 air.. It's on a whole new level!
  • 4 0
 Better compliance from the air shock than a coil shock. It sounds almost too good to be true. What's the catch? Anyone know the service intervals compared to a coil x2?
  • 2 1
 X2 air is either annual or 125 hours service.
  • 5 9
flag whitebullit (Feb 16, 2016 at 2:46) (Below Threshold)
 the catch is the shock heats up more than a coil and if you do run after run at the bike park youll be much better off with a coil shock. air shocks are for race bikes, lighter and only have to perform for around 3-5minutes at a time.
  • 6 1
 All the reviews I've seen of the Float x2 say it's not affected by heat. Are they lying? I've got a DVO jade ready for my yt capra that I am about to order, but now I'm thinking about selling it and just getting the more expensive capra with the x2 instead. It's hard for me to believe it could be better than coil... but there's no smoke without fire.
  • 3 5
 Theoretically speaking it is impossible, but practically speaking, since air shocks have developped so much, it may be extremely hard to tell the difference. Having said that I still ordered my new bike with CCDB Coil CS instead of Air. Easier setup, smoother servicing.
  • 7 1
 @jaame - The Float X2 is seriously impressive. All shocks are affected by heat to some degree, but the X2 maintained a consistent feel even during top to bottom runs at Whistler over the summer. www.pinkbike.com/news/fox-float-x2-shock-review-2015.html
  • 6 9
 I'd still go for Öhlins STX22. 200$ more and climb lock. Money almost evens out when ordering the fork, since Öhlins fork is cheaper than 36 (which I find insane)
  • 4 3
 its ok waki i agree, it seems logic has no place on PB.
  • 1 2
 Spring or die.
  • 6 2
 It's time to buy a DH bike! I like all the new features like the internal dropper routing. I will need it for the long rides here in the Andes.
  • 5 1
 157x12? What is this? Super boost??

Joking aside I still don't understand why sram/trek didnt just use this...

I think the q factor argument is BS
  • 6 0
 Thank you for making an XL that is for BIG guys!
  • 7 3
 The original alloy version was beautiful, but this carbon version is on another planet.
  • 4 10
flag TroubleZone13 (Feb 16, 2016 at 4:49) (Below Threshold)
 IMO, you must make an appointment with your doctor bro.
  • 5 0
 Take pictures of Eliot Jackson on any bike and I will want it.
  • 2 0
 And more EJ edits please!
  • 5 0
 Sick bike guys, good job!
  • 12 10
 "larger wheels that’ll help cleave seconds off your run through technical sections."

Really? Seconds? Like at least or more than 2? You should really check your timing equipment or stop comparing wet runs to dry ones.
  • 2 1
 They had to make the frame lighter because the 27.5's are heavier.
  • 2 0
 At least Pivot still makes a 26" Phoenix DH (alloy) bike
  • 5 2
 Oh look, another baby blue bike. (vomits in mouth a little) Good thing there is another colour option.
  • 4 0
 Internal dropper post routing on a DH bike? Is this a thing now?
  • 5 2
 Are there really still people out there who look at the top tube lengths on downhill bikes??

What's the reach on this baby?
  • 13 13
 Now Santa Cruz really deserves a slap in the face for starting this lame trend of baby graphics. And I thought 2007 Specialized paintjobs were dumb but I prefer that punk stuff than this cheap stuff referring either to 80's porn or to My Little Pony. Johnson&Johnson baby butt powder comes to my mind as well. These are high end, hyper bicycles for tons of cash, not some Wallmart section for kids bikes... wake up industry
  • 3 0
 It is very uncharacteristic of a Pivot to have good cable routing. I like it.
  • 4 0
 62,5 head angle!?!?!???
  • 3 1
 Does Pivot make it in aluminum? I love my DW Link Turner DHR. This would be the only way to get DW Link on a 27.5 DH rig.
  • 2 0
 Yet another dream bike most of us will never be able to afford or justify buying. Looks sweet though.
  • 2 2
 So many hinges in the back end to keep up with and it doesn't look as tilted back as other bikes like the demo 8 and deviance wilsons
  • 3 1
 Hey nice work guys! Beautiful Bike.
  • 1 0
 Any comparisons to how the bike rides/handles can't decide between a phoenix or a new sworks demo.. Help please
  • 5 2
 Well we can all dream...
  • 2 0
 Putting a 27.5 on the front of my One Almost this bike
  • 4 2
 I need this in my life
  • 2 2
 Reminds me on the rock shox add that goes like fast blah blah blah light blah blah blah.
  • 2 1
 Clearly some pivotal changes.....
  • 1 0
 Local trail here too, pretty sure I saw this being shot the other day
  • 4 2
 You have my attention.
  • 3 5
 The photos and specs sheet seem to be inconsistent. Fox is listed but the top photo shows a Boxxer, the other photos, meanwhile, have a Fox 40. Also, do people really use a dropper post on DH bikes these days?
  • 8 8
 saint build uses a float 40/float x2, zee build uses a Boxxer team/float X2 performance. No inconsistencies. Also it says nothing about a dropper post anywhere in this article.
  • 16 0
 Phoenix DH Carbon Details
...
• Internal dropper post compatible

there you go.
  • 4 0
 Specs state 'Internal Dropper Post Compatible'. (Probably for Pietermaritzburg type races or possibly Megaavalanche??)
  • 5 0
 It says it's got internal dropper post routing. Often at PMB a lot of riders will use one. Also when you're riding around the park all day you might want to pop it up to make it s bit more comfortable and save energy for where it counts. Personal choice really. I'm not sure if I'd ever bother, myself. Costly, added weight and just another thing to go wrong. But it's always nice to have the option
  • 4 1
 Added weight yeah, but when your bike easily comes at around 31lbs/14kgs, you don't really give a shit for another 300-400g added to the total weight (a dropper weighs 500-600g, but you remove the normal post which weighs 200-250g Wink ).
  • 3 1
 If I had enough length in my seat tube, I'd pick up a KS and wouldn't think twice about it.
I have DH runs across the street from my house, and I pedal in, and pedal out
f*ck! My seat tube isn't any shorter than this one(I own a 951).
If one will fit this bike, it'll sure as heck fit mine.
I wonder which one is short enough to work.
  • 3 2
 I used a 125/392 lev on my 2015... Rode it as a trail bike many times, and to pedal to & from tracks as you say. It's no bs one of the best pedaling bikes period, which is why it doubled as my trail bike. Hard to find a better pedaling dedicated am bike! I don't see any significant changes tho, which is good imo
  • 3 6
 get a freaking hex key to adjust it
  • 4 1
 Been running a Reverb for years on the dh rig. Very handy for those short uphills to connect trails.
  • 3 2
 Imo this bike looks like an enduro with DC fork.
  • 6 7
 Seriously pinkbike circa is when you dont know a date but want to give a rough stimate. you cant use circe if you know the exact date.
  • 14 2
 I used "circa" since it can be difficult to pin down a bike's official launch. To wit, a few models were shown at Sea Otter, but the bike wasn't officially available to the public until later in the year. So which marks the actual debut? The existence of early frames or the availability of many complete bikes to the general public? I thought about it, decided I wanted a coffee and typed "circa". Semantics, eh?
  • 2 2
 Can never use the word circa too much..
  • 3 3
 good looking for sure but those linkage pivots look vulnerable to a lot of back wheel muck.
  • 4 3
 What brand is it? Didn't see that anywhere on the bike.
  • 5 2
 I think its says De Vinci but I'm not sure.
  • 3 1
 Beautiful bike.
  • 1 1
 Well no wonder why the sixc cranks are always on backorder. ..so many bikes specn em now.
  • 1 1
 WTF is up with the fork tubes??? Slid up waaaay too far up in the clamps...
  • 1 0
 ill give you 150$ with shipping
  • 2 0
 Wow that is beautiful!!!
  • 1 0
 im gonna 3D print the whole dam thing
  • 1 0
 Did Pivot buy Pinkbike?
  • 1 0
 Currently on a 13 Wilson
  • 1 1
 Does anyone know where that second picture (with berm) was taken?
  • 2 3
 Well , the fastest ,lightest and with the most technology bike needs to win World Cup races.
  • 4 1
 Dude there are so many amazing WC win worthy bikes out there ...

The problem is whether or not they can afford a top WC rider/team to pilot it.

Look at companies like Turner, Foes, Canfield Bro's all make amazing bikes but don't make enough money to run the money losing operation that having a top WC DH team is.
  • 3 5
 Then they shouldn't make ridiculous claims.
  • 3 3
 Whoa!!! That's really cool
  • 2 2
 Is 157x12 a new standard? I haven't heard of it before..
  • 4 0
 No.... it's been around for quite a while.
  • 1 1
 Nice frame, but 157? And chainstays an inch too long? (insert grumpy cat photo) Seriously though, chainstay length is a realistic personal preference issue. Why not just put in a flip chip or something?
  • 2 1
 Stoked
  • 1 1
 My dream bike! So much want Drool
  • 1 1
 thats g spot, near simi valley
  • 1 1
 This is a beautiful bike! Quite expensive, but dammit, so sweet!
  • 2 2
 Where is the trail?
  • 1 5
flag jarrod801 (Feb 16, 2016 at 13:03) (Below Threshold)
 g spot in socal
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 V10 carbon or Phoenix cabon???
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 Phoenix
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 Phoenix. More versatile. Can plow like an ox and flit around smoother than an Ipanema girl
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 i've owned both...phoenix is a better bike
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 Get the Phoenix.
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 you can enduro with the phoenix. no doubt 2 bikes in 1 get that
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flag its-joe-44 (Feb 16, 2016 at 5:52) (Below Threshold)
 V10, just because I couldn't bring myself to ride a bike as unbelievably ugly as this.
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 @its-joe A lot of people seem to like the look of the Phoenix so what makes you so special that you think its ugly?
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 Looks are subjective, who would have thought?
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 @Alias530, exactly and I am perfectly entitled to dislike the looks of this bike.
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 @its-joe But you don't have to say that it is "Unbelievably ugly". You could have said that you don't find it attractive or not your type which is the respectable way of saying an opinion without insulting someone cause the way you said it originally makes you come out as pretentious and seemingly putting others down for having a different opinion than yours. And how in any way is this bike Unbelievably ugly? It doesn't look too flashy or too unusual so what's wrong with it? If you wan't to know what is "unbelievably ugly" why not look up the Redalp Downhill bike.
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 @carfreak2000 I know what the Redalp looks like. And you're doing exactly what you say I shouldn't do, trying to put me down for expressing my opinion.
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 @its-joe - yeah I'm not hating on either of you. You're both entitled to your opinion, neither of you are WRONG. This whole new world of not being able to say your OPINION without offending other people is f*cking retarded (yes, I used the R word).
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 No contest - V10 all the way.
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 Pivot is uglyy
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 cheers everyone, it is YT then!!!
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 ..wow :-P
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 I actually think the non-kashima x2 looks cooler and more stealthy.
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 The forks are too low on the crowns
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