Wrap Around DH Stems, Flexy Seats, & Good Headset Routing? - Taipei Cycle Show 2023

Mar 23, 2023
by Mike Levy  
Taipei Cycle Show

Taipei Cycle Show
Taipei Cycle Show

Going in a completely different direction to their KFX SIC Integrated carbon handlebar and stem combo, FSA also had this nearly as wild-looking Gradient OS35 DH direct mount stem just asking for some attention in the booth. Honestly, it looks so different that I wasn't entirely sure what it was at first, but the two-piece design is a pretty clever way of eliminating the four steel bolts that would usually be used at the faceplate. Instead, the two halves literally wrap around the handlebar and up to the mounting points, clamping it down as you tighten it onto your fork crown. That means less weight, but the downside could be (I didn't try) that it's a bit finicky to install versus to a more traditional design.

As the name suggests, the Gradient OS35 is made for 35mm diameter handlebars only, and it comes in a single 45mm length that's said to weigh 153 grams without the included 5mm height spacer or 173 grams with it. The oil-slick finish is the only color offered and I am 100-percent down with it.

Taipei Cycle Show
Taipei Cycle Show

I've rambled on and on about my love for Tioga's admittedly weird-looking seats, but I swear that's because they work well for me and not just because of the high strangeness factor. Their very flexible shells and general shape fit my underside, so I'll definitely be trying out the new Undercover Stratum Max at some point in the near future. It features Tioga's SpyderWeb base that's designed to be far more forgiving than a stiffer shell used with most other seats, and Tioga even says they've tuned how quickly it rebounds under your bum.

While they still have their bare-bones Spyder seats, the Undercover Stratum Max gets something called Re-Activ Performance Plush Foam. It also has their Immersion Relief Groove that's basically a much wider than usual center cutout intended to work for both aggressive and more upright riding positions.

Taipei Cycle Show

Taipei Cycle Show
Taipei Cycle Show

Headset cable routing probably isn't going to disappear, regardless of how much some of us dislike it, so it's up to companies to figure out how to make it better. Token's Cable Box system is aiming to do exactly that, with the MB-Box version designed specifically for both mountain bikes and e-bikes while also incorporating an integrated steering-stop feature. The system consists of a two-piece top cover with openings for up to six cables, each with an o-ring seal at the entry point to limit the amount of grime that can get inside. You can fill unused holes with plugs that come supplied from Token, and there's also a secondary seal that sits below the cover and above the compression ring. MB-Box also uses a clever, two-piece expanding lower headset cup that will compensate for any out-of-tolerance issues with your headtube while also making it easier to install and remove; no hammer required. That said, I have no idea if this thing is any easier to work on than other headset cable routing designs.

The Rotation Block system uses a split crown race that's clamped in place, with a grooved inner surface intended to keep it from spinning on your steerer tube. That's an important element as two small extensions off the crown race act as the steering stops when they come up against a central extension on the inside of the headset cup. I definitely didn't describe that as well as I could have, but it's late in Taiwan and I've had seven bubble teas today, so it is what is. One final detail worth mentioning is the small (and replaceable) PU bumpers on each of those wings, meaning that it's not just metal smashing into metal inside of your headset every time you crash.

Token says that the MB-Box system will fit ZS56/ZS56 1.5" and ZS56/ZS66 1.8" headtubes.

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  • 319 5
 You know what rubs my cables? Force-fed, costly, impractical innovation that reduces the lifespan and serviceability of my bike. Nice stem by the way.
  • 108 2
 It is baffling how bad an idea headset cable routing is... and companies like Transition, who are usually smart enough to hold off on bullshit trends still bought in for some of their bikes... like WTF... the bike industry can be so culty sometimes.
  • 106 0
 I'm gonna go buy a ton of those stick on cable guide mounts, and if I buy a bike that has whatever form of internal routing, from now on I'll just redo it myself fully external.
  • 30 1
 @ridedigrepeat: the nukeproof megawatt dropped the internally routed acros headset for this model year and no mention of it was made lol
  • 40 4
 Hopefully it will go the way of press fit bottom brackets, too. It’s all just to cheapen up production, but once they get sick of hearing about how stupid it is they’ll scrap it and call normal routing a feature.
  • 11 0
 @Scrotsy13: ahah yes, "normal" as a feature, I like that!
  • 5 0
 @ridedigrepeat: I couldn’t wrap my head around it
  • 41 60
flag goroncy (Mar 23, 2023 at 7:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Scrotsy13: Press fit bottom brackets are superior to threaded BB in every possible way. The superiority of threaded BB is an urban legend. Just one thing to mention is galvanic corrosion. The problem with press fit is that bike industry NEVER was able to deliver the correct tolerances for those things. Threaded BB even though is far inferior design is capable of being made in a cheap way so that it meets at least some tolerances. And because people nevertheless throw their bikes out after 2 or 3 years galvanic corrosion and other things don't matter. And it is actually press fit BBs that are much more expensive to make and threaded is cheaper. It is just when you make press fit BB in a sloppy way it will be cheaper.

Some road bike companies that are able to create frames with correct press fit tolerances have frames that will last you a lifetime (Time for example).
  • 20 0
 Part of the reason I went with a Cotic for my first build - no BS standards, no internal routing, everything easily serviceable.
  • 11 8
 @goroncy: nah, you’re just lazy, there’s a real difference as we all know from experience.
  • 17 0
 @ratedgg13: The last bike I bought I was fed up with everything, and went for threaded BB, fully external routing that has full length housing, current thru-axle sized, 27.2 seatpost ... My god it's a dream. I work on my bike myself and the serviceability and user-friendliness is out of this world
  • 1 1
 @goroncy: Does galvanic corrosion occur between the aluminium frame and the aluminium BB?
Currently my pf bb is made of nylon of some sort I think so no danger of that occurring there but if I had an alu bb then you're saying the same would occur?

Nothing wrong with pf of course but changing the bearing means a new bb if you're using the nylon ones.
  • 12 4
 @goroncy: Sound like a Hambini fan. I agree though, from what I've gathered pressfit was only inferior cause frames wouldn't ever be made with tolerances good enough to make it work well. And in some cases, your threaded BB is a press fit. Its just that the BB shell is the press fit interface and likely has better tolerances than the frame it's going into.
  • 34 1
 Remember that every industry dreams of selling you an iPhone. A proprietary, glued together piece of landfill made in China for pennies on the dollar, with a usable lifespan of 2 years or less so you have to buy another one. Behind every innovation that somehow makes the product worse, there's an corporate douchebag with a hard on for their iPhone.
  • 1 0
 @ridedigrepeat: what Transition bikes have headset cable routing?
  • 9 1
 @goroncy: Pivot had done an outstanding job with PF.
  • 2 0
 @WillW123: galvanic corrosion probably not however don’t rule out other types of corrosion higher end aluminium alloys suffer from environmental corrosion even in air those lovely alkali based cleaners can cause it the electrical differential is well studied between same alloys and the differential was from memory in aerospace studies something like 0.3 volts aluminium on aluminium = little chance of problem
  • 25 1
 @goroncy: From your own comment it sounds like PF is not in fact superior in every possible way when you optimize for real-world things like tolerances, time, and cost?
  • 2 0
 @ridedigrepeat: They bought in because they're at the mercy of their suppliers.
  • 11 10
 @goroncy: never seen such a bird brained PB comment in my life. you've clearly never worked in the bike industry
  • 7 1
 @ridedigrepeat: In defense of Transition...they only had one bike with it (Repeater) and all of their new bikes that have launched since the Repeater launched (Relay, Patrol Carbon, Smuggler, TR11) do not have headset cable routing.
  • 2 0
 @ratedgg13: been doing that since internal routing began. People stop & stare & ask why
  • 8 3
 @goroncy: In every possible way? So, the maintenance ease is superior on a press fit? How about ease of installation?
  • 7 12
flag MrDuck FL (Mar 23, 2023 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 @nickfranko: How is threaded bb that much easier to service than press fit? Either way you need a specific tool (bb wrench or press and puller). The press actually has more uses than just the bb. Threaded bb can get really stubborn and turn into a nightmare due to the mentioned galvanic corrosion.
I've worked in shops for years, I have bikes with both threaded and press fit, and I just don't see the advantage of threaded.
Really in most cases, threaded bb is just a thread in press fit interface. Yes, it is easier to manufacture with the right tolerances, but on reasonable quality bikes I haven't seen the press fit inferiority the Internet talks about.
  • 7 0
 @ridedigrepeat: culty? I would have used an N instead of the L...
  • 14 1
 @goroncy: galvanic corrosion? just use some anti-seize or grease. No big deal.
  • 11 0
 @goroncy: People throw their bikes out after 2 or 3 years? You and your riding buddies must be pretty wealthy if that's your experience.
  • 5 0
 @nickfranko: I'd say installation of a pressfit is pretty darn easy, as long as you have a bearing press. Maintenance is also pretty easy, as long as you can take apart a crankset. The only real advantage that threaded BB's provide is not having to use a bearing press.
  • 2 0
 @agnostic: The Repeater ebike has headset routing.
  • 2 0
 @MrDuck: Especially once you get rid of the terrible OEM pressfit BB's that most bikes come with.
  • 1 3
 @goroncy: Based on what data?? I'd like to see you face up a press fit bottom bracket if it wasn't made square at the factory dude......fortunately you can with threaded BB's
  • 5 2
 @WillW123: "Does galvanic corrosion occur between the aluminium frame and the aluminium BB?"


Incredibly common Internet Engineer mistake to misread galvanic tables (I can use google look at me! I'm a real engineer now!) and conflate "aluminum" with "anodized aluminum".
  • 6 2
 @goroncy: I have a 20 year old alu giant xct with threaded bb for commuting and a 2015 Blur TR Alu. No signs of this BS corrosion you're talking about.
  • 1 0
 @Compositepro: I had a bolt in my stem fuse to the stem. It was quite a fiasco to get it off. (It was on a duc 36 maverick fork if you remember them) I had to take the crown off fork and drill the head out. Now is use anti seize more regularly.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: if you’re gonna do it, be serious about it and get the kind you have to drill and rivet into your frame.
  • 1 0
  • 5 0
 @goroncy: I agree with you when it comes to carbon frames. Pressfit is far superior, and results in a lifetime frame that won't have the very common issue of the aluminum insert debonding from the carbon. If Sh*t goes sideways and your BB creaks, there's Wheels MFing or similar thread-together BBs.

But for aluminum frames, the opposite is true. They should all be threaded, it's a lifetime and reliable solution with fewer failure points.

Horses for courses.
  • 1 0
 @agnostic: The Repeater (e-bike). Luckily the Relay, which was launched after the Repeater, doesn't. So hopefully they got the message.
  • 1 0
 @Scrotsy13: I was angry about press-fit for some time. Then I got a bike I liked but that unfortunately had it. Ugh. I still prefer threaded, but have to admit that despite being a bit of a kluge, thread-together press-fit works pretty well.
  • 1 0
 @Tambo: like Raymond in The Gentlemen…..?
  • 150 0
 That headset cable routing thing only fits 6 cables, where's Scott gonna put the other 4
  • 26 0
 I know where they can shove em and they might feel some pressure.
  • 5 1
 @DBone95: maybe they are already there? It's hard to see, since the sun doesn't shine there.
  • 75 4
  • 8 72
flag vinay FL (Mar 23, 2023 at 5:38) (Below Threshold)
 People are still upset? Sure, 2022 was the year of shock and horror. On multiple fronts indeed but on the bicycle front: headset cable routing, bwaaaaah! Coming to get you! But c'mon, this is 2023 already, can't we just laugh this off. This a tradeshow, a freak show. Here's someone who wasted his time (and tries to waste someone elses money) on the cap that cost literally a few cents on our first bikes and did the job just fine. Can't we just accept that the existence of stuff like this is a clear indication that we can already get hold of the bikes that we need to do what we want? Back in the days maybe, the promise of a new bike that would be a bit more efficient on the climbs whilst still being amazing on the descends, the full suspension designs that "would isolate pedal and suspension forces", reliable hydraulic disc brake systems, wide and reliable gearing... There really isn't much keeping us from just having a blast on our bikes. We already have a stem that holds up, a saddle that's sufficiently comfortable, a cap that protects the bearings and there is always the space outside your frame where you can guide your cables and hoses. But you alone knows what you want to do on your bike and what you need for that to happen. Most likely, you don't need anything at all. This post is pure entertainment. Just laugh. Don't cry.
  • 45 7
 "Headset cable routing probably isn't going to disappear,"
I bet they do when the (lack of) sales figures make thier way to the board..............
  • 55 2
 As much as we'd like to think that this is true, we are the minority. The average person buying a new bike (high-end or not) has never serviced their own bike and has no clue that it's a dumb idea. Bikes with headset routing will sell, and the trend will continue.

Our only true hope is that every bike reviewer bitches about headset cable routing on every review for a bike that has it. I'd like to think that a majority of people at least read a review or two before buying a bike.
  • 6 3
 i mean we all thought that with internal routing too, but it appears to be here to stay, which is very disappointing.
  • 10 4
 @DaneL: I've seen almost exactly the same copy pasted text all over pinkbike Big Grin . Are you some sort of Acros engineer or something? Big Grin We are not minority. Acros headset needs to die. Slow and painful death it will be but it will die.
  • 6 0
 "they will bring thier new expensive headset routed bikes to me for a service and I will say...... No"
  • 8 0
 @goroncy: Lol, trust me. I have no love for Acros. Even their standard headsets are garbage. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to make a compression ring out of plastic should only be allowed to sell their parts on Alibaba.
  • 2 1
 @goroncy: he has a point I think even my bike mechanic friends hold their heads in their hands mainly , as people through the door are very different to folks in the comments section on pink bike. it’s not uncommon for them to sell a 15k e-bike to someone who ain’t a “cyclist” and then proceeds to get their mates into cycling
  • 3 0
 For road bikes, I get totally internal cables. Bars don't turn much, aero is everything. With a side order of everything looking clean. Witness shaved legs and sprayed on lycra... But for a mountain bike, genuinely what is the advantage? Why are they doing it? Surely this complicated thing isn't cheaper than popping a couple of holes in the frame. Especially when you then have to find a way to connect it to some tube in tube to avoid rattles. I am happy to see better routing from brake levers though, so it doesn't interfere with race numbers
  • 13 0
 @Compositepro: Very true.
Every PB commenter:
Can't afford these crazy high prices.
Performs all service on their bike.
Loves new things.
Hates new things.
Wants new things (but can't afford them).
Not a dentist.
  • 3 0
 Buy a steel frame. The vast majority come with 44mm head tubes and I doubt many steel frame manufactures are going to be using larger diameter head tubes in order to accommodate cables as it'll looks stupid on a skinny steel frame.
  • 2 0
 @rcrocha: I am as guilty depending on mood and time of day lol
  • 4 0
 I think we all know where this is going... wireless brakes!!!
  • 1 0
 @DaneL: There is some hope if they turn out to be more expensive to maintain. Customers coming back to bike shops with creaky / contaminated headsets start to cost the OEMs money when they warranty headsets too often.
  • 2 1
 @WaterBear: Have you ever tried submitting a warranty to Acros? The "submittal" is shipping the thing to Germany. You then get to wait to see whether they actually accept it. In the mean time, you're either out a bike or you buy a replacement while you're waiting anyways. In the end, it makes more sense to just throw the Acros part in the trash and buy a quality replacement. I'd imagine Acros' warranty rate is low simply because they make it so inconvenient and expensive to submit the warranty in the first place.
  • 30 0
 "You can fill unused holes with plugs"

If you didn't laugh at this, you're far more mature than me.
  • 27 0
 That saddles shape reminds me of something I can’t quite put my finger on. Used to eat it all the time back in the day…
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  • 24 0
 @dchill: still do, but used to too
  • 3 0
  • 23 0
 So now my cables are gonna rub on the underside of my bar instead of on my frame. 0-fks given
  • 19 0
 Everyone loves a good wrap-around.
  • 13 0
 The bike industry seems to be grasping at some straws for innovation right now, thinking this headset cable routing is the next disc brakes, dropper post, 1x drivetrain, or something revolutionary that people want. Turns out, almost nobody does and we're just gonna be stuck with it if the bikes we want to buy have it. Doesn't really serve a purpose other than aesthetics.
  • 6 1
 Agreed. It's so irritating that the lemmings who prioritize aesthetics over function will always be the ones who the products are catered to, because superficial crap like headset routing and electronic shifting extracts more capital from consumers. I find it doubtful headset routing will go away, just for the simple fact some vain clueless mtb diva doesn't like the way cables look with their equally pointless kashima coating.
  • 2 0
 It is more like presta valves than disk brakes.
  • 7 0
 "Headset cable routing probably isn't going to disappear, regardless of how much some of us dislike it" - seems like a silly statement. If enough of us dislike it and don't buy bikes with them then I can guarantee you, they will disappear.
  • 10 0
 F*ck off with your headset cable routing!
  • 8 0
 That headset routing, along with IS headsets if I’m being picky, can go jump in a nice corroding acid sea of venus.
  • 8 0
 That stem is way less expensive than I thought it would be, it’s kinda cool!
  • 7 0
 Hope headset cable routing disappears in the same way like the plus-tires did. The industry pushed them, think it was about 12 years ago, but today they are in a niche.
  • 5 0
 just had my zeb fork warrantied for the second time in just over a year on my e bike thanks to vitus' headset cable routing sawing through the steerer tube. thankfully it coincides with my shimano motor shitting itself every 400 miles so it isnt too inconvenient.
  • 6 0
 Can someone ELI5 the actual point of headset routed cables aside from a perceived "cleanliness"? Other than having to sell me a proprietary headset I mean
  • 7 0
 No. You summed it up completely.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
  • 2 0
 @pmhobson: Dammit. I was hoping there would at least be some long winded manufacturer explanation that only makes sense inside a board room.
  • 2 10
flag dylananderson (Mar 23, 2023 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 Can make frames lighter since no need to reinforce cable ports on frame. There's nothing perceived about the cleanliness. I have it on my road bike and I refuse to buy one without it. My next XC bike is gonna be the Orbea Oiz but I probably would have gone with an Ibis Exie if it had headset routed cables. Especially on XC bikes with their mess of lockout and dropper cables it makes all the difference in the world. When it comes time to replace a headset bearing after a few thousand miles it will take an hour or so out of an afternoon. Really not the end of the world like so many people make it out to be.
  • 2 0
 @dylananderson: An ass for every seat I suppose. I don't think it's the end of the world, but it's an unnecessary complication for my uses. That being said I fully admit I am not their target audience.
  • 1 0
 Less holes in carbon frames. Every hole you drill in a carbon frame needs to be reinforced since it interrupts the long carbon strands. This can make lighter and stronger CF frames. Aluminum frames are similar, every hole you drill has the potential to propagate a crack given enough time.
  • 7 0
 @GTscoob: wouldnt this be a non issue if we just routed the cables on the outside of the bike?
  • 1 1
 @Torbo24: you're being facetious, right?
  • 9 0
 @dylananderson: says everyone while simultaneously carving huge holes in the downtube because snacks and tools....
  • 7 0
 The thing to understand about biking is that most people who mountain bike can ride everything they ride on a $2000 140-160mm full suspension aluminum bike with a 10 speed drivetrain, cheapest Rockshox suspension with only rebound adjustment for fork and shock, Shimano Deore 2 Piston Brakes, 200m rotors, aluminum cranks/wheels. If they want to ride flat trails faster, fast rolling tires and fitness is all thats needed. If they want to ride downhill stuff and jump, practice and core/leg strength is all thats required.

However if companies just sold those, the profit margins would be thin, and nobody would innovate or research because there would be no money left. So companies have to continuously invent problems and market solutions to those problems. Its a double edged sword though because despite all the fluff, the innovation sometimes does result in just overall better product for the same price.
  • 3 0
 @dylananderson: absolutely not. Im still looking for someone to provide an non-marketing BS explaination of what was wrong with external routing that made it need to be changed. Do you know?
  • 2 0
 @Torbo24: The idea that something needs to be wrong in order for it to be changed is one I'm having quite a hard time wrapping my head around. Maybe I'm too open minded for the PB comment section... But in any case, here are a few explanations for why internal routing is superior: housing/cable protection (from the elements), frame protection (from the elements getting stuck between your externally routed cables and frame, simultaneously allowing you to run as long of a downtube guard as your frame will accommodate), peace and quiet (from your externally routed cables slapping against your frame as they are not secured everywhere - Yes, internally routed cables can rattle too but any half competent mechanic knows to take a few extra seconds to prevent that if the frame manufacturer didn't already), but the one that matters most to me is aesthetics. Nothing ruins the clean tubes of a sleek carbon frame like some cables bolted to the outside like some elementary school kid's spaghetti art. I'd ride a bike with no cables if it was functional, but until then I'll happily hide them in my frame as much as I can. I'm getting a B.A in Communication this spring, so if any of that was marketing BS, I'd know. Hope that helps.
  • 1 0
 @dylananderson: i guess the flip side though is that if its not wrong, why does it need to be changed? Wouldnt that be change just for the sake of change, AKA consumerism at its worst?

I guess its a highly personal thing. If a person was having those problems, then internal routing would correct them. None of the problems you listed are ones that ive ever personally had, so for me, internal routing has zero upside. Aesthetics is personal preference as well, sure it looks nice to some folks, but that isnt important to me. Im much more interested in my bike working every day, and being easy to fix if something does break.

maybe its the sort of thing where internal fits better with high end carbon frames where the aesthetics are high on the priority list. I just got a new bike, and its just a normal alloy trail bike. Ill ride it for 7 to 10 years, and i just want it to work every day. Its going to get dirty and hit by rocks and i might even crash sometimes. Thats going to be more of a problem aesthetically than the cables being on the outside. I understand if youre the sort with a very expensive bike, who gets a new bike every year, then what it looks like is going to be higher on the priority list. For normal people like me, with a bike thats going to get ridden every day for years and years, internal routing is a con in every way. I respect that the calculation is different for other folks, but i wish that the industry respected the needs of people like me as well.

Thanks for taking the time to talk with me about it, cheers
  • 4 0
 Here's a crazy idea....how about frames that come with brake lines pre-installed with industry-standard connection points at the lever and caliper. Then you can have your vanity routing without the maintenance hassles. Real pie-in-the-sky stuff, I know.
  • 4 0
 thats a decent idea, of course they could just be external and then we wouldnt have to solve these problems that didnt previously exist.
  • 1 0
 My Formula Cura 4 brakes came with quick lock fittings. But I bet those won't fit through a headset hole, they are a bit wider than the hoses.
  • 4 0
 As a mechanic, for a well-known brand leading the integration front, all I'm gonna say to all bike producers is: you can take your cables and shove 'em up your ass, respectfully Wink
  • 7 0
  • 13 0
 Two in the stem one in the tube
  • 6 1
 Cables through bearings will go away soon if we all refuse to buy them.
  • 3 0
 Puts on tinfoil protective cap: headset cable routing can only have been dreamt up by the WEF how else are you going to support a bike shop every 15 minutes.
  • 4 0
 Stupid cable routing...what about x up?
  • 3 0
 "so it's up to companies to figure out how to make it better"

Or, you know, just don't and it will actually go away.
  • 2 0
 "Finally! A product that ensures super clean headset cable routing"
Brought to you by: Not a single soul in the whole entire universe
  • 3 0
 Seat looks good for cyclist that may wna have kids someday
  • 4 0
 Tiaoga Fart Bucket
  • 2 0
 With waffle stomp technology
  • 4 0
 Long Live cable ties
  • 1 0
 The ONLY reason I could possibly 100% get behind the Integrated Headset cable routing thing, is if they also incorporate a steering stop.....
  • 3 0
 nearly all of them do and they tend to move on very hard impacts (IE. the lower cup spins in the frame)
  • 2 0
 Headset cable routing but with Integrated steering-stop feature? Wasn't that the hate against Trek's knockblock?
  • 5 3
 That FSA would look awesome if it wasn't in oil slick.
  • 1 0
 Fill be the same story as PF Threaded BB, all will adopt headset routing, smart will move out of it
  • 2 0
 Does Mike have small hands or does everything look bigger on his hands?
  • 2 0
 Trump hands!
  • 3 0
 Fuck off a million times
  • 1 0
 Token? I thought that was an Amazon dropshipper.
  • 2 0
 ohhhh, a multipla-stem
  • 1 0
 Tiny hands, or giant stem?
  • 2 2
 Awesome! With the ability to route cables through the stem, I can do barspins on my dh bike now!
  • 1 0
 I love a good twisted nails puzzle.
  • 1 0
 ahh yes keep forcing headset routed cables then complain about low sales
  • 1 0
 That saddle should be named the Strainer
  • 1 0
 "Headset routing is better than internal routing" -GMBN probably
  • 1 0
 Who’s making ZS56 upper head tubes?
  • 1 0
 Roadie headsets
  • 1 0
 Horrible stem.
  • 1 0
 Huge vagina saddle FTW!
  • 6 9
 how ugly can you make a stem
  • 1 2
 They could make it oil slick AND gold
  • 2 2
 looks like a discontinued sex toy

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