4 New eMTBs (Plus New eMTB Tech) - Eurobike 2019

Sep 8, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  
While there were plenty of odd, clunky, or derivative eMTBs on show as manufacturers rush to add SKUs to the surging category, some of the latest crop of pedelec tech we saw at Eurobike this last week looked promising. Batteries are smaller, ranges are longer, and motors are more reliable. Let's take a look at a few different bikes from Kona, Devinci, and Bianchi along with a drive system from FSA and a few other odds-n-ends from the show.

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Kona

If Kona's new Remote 160 looks a lot like their Process line of bikes to you, that's because it is. The team at Kona wanted to make the Process an eMTB, so it's designed from the ground up based on the geometry of the Process.


Kona is using Shimano's Steps e8000 motor as it has a more natural feel to it, according to the design team. The bike comes in one model that sells for $5,999 USD and looks well-spec'd for that price. For more info check out konaworld.com.



Bianchi

Bianchi's new eMTB line is decidedly e-SUV, but has some interesting design touches. The full carbon bikes took several years to bring to market and integrates as much as possible. The 150mm travel eMTBs have headlights and taillights, a fully integrated cockpit with mounts for navigation devices, a 720 watt-hour battery with a unique cooling vent, and polarizing aesthetics. For more information head to bianchi.com.


The 720 watt-hour battery has a unique cooling system to keep the bike running at optimal temperatures.

The bikes use Shimano's Steps e8000 motor and come in three sizes, (M, L, and XL) and three models; the Adventure (7,690 EUR), Rally (9,490 EUR), and Racer (10,490 EUR). The Adventure and Rally work with both 27.5" or 29" wheels and the Racer comes with 29" wheels.

I'm trying to place what futuristic space demon this looks like but I'm struggling.


Devinci

Devinci had their new DC 29 and EP 29 bikes they announced last week on display for all to see. The bikes are designed and produced in Canada by Devinci.

The bikes take some design notes from Devinci's trail bike line but the pivots are moved a good bit to keep things in the proper place given the different weight distribution of an eMTB. The geo is a bit different. The seat angle is steeper to keep riders more over the front on the steeper terrain they're likely to climb. Head tube angles are slacker as well.

The DC 29 has 150mm/160mm of travel

The bikes still use the split-pivot design, but the main pivot location has been moved. The bike is made to be a little more supple as pedaling efficency isn't as important as a bike that's supple off the top when there's a motor helping out. There are chainstay and battery protection built-in. In a now-familiar refrain, the goal was to not be "a futuristic other experience" but a mountain bike that rides like a mountain bike.

The battery button is now on the top tube.
Shimano's steps e8000 motor.

The EP is the shorter travel 29" wheeled bike with 130mm/140mm of travel.



DVO
DVO's Onyx E1fork has taller bushings and a stiffer crown for the extra loads from heavier eMTBs and riders. Travel is up to 180mm.

The eMTB chassis is available in 27.5" and 29". All of DVO's forks are now available in an eMTB version. Nothing stopping people from using them on regular bikes either.


FSA
FSA is the latest player to jump into the motor market.

FSA brings it's cards to the "E" table with it's powered system called the, "FSA System". The FSA system is only available OEM for now but the claimed 4kg hub motor can be easily moved bike-to-bike and produces 250w of supposedly friction-free assistance.

The system is made entirely in-house and uses FSA's own technology and engineering. This system is different than a lot of the e-systems we see now in that the motor is in the rear hub. This adds a lot of weight to the back end of the bike, but is said to decrease a lot of friction. I speculate it could allow for other technologies such as regenerative braking - something we saw on the first generation of Specialized's Turbo eBikes a few years back.

The 250w power unit is currently being advertised for gravel, urban, and road but we wouldn't be surprised to see an eMTB version in the future. Especially, considering that FSA is already making eMTB wheels.

FSA's power-friendly MTB wheels and their "System" eBike hub and wheel.

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199 Comments

  • 68 7
 Great, every company is basically making the same lame generic mid travel e bikes and nobody is doing anything cool or experimental. I'm putting all my hopes in the 2020 Kenevo.

Downhill e bike wishlist:
-200 mm travel front and rear
-Regular DH bike bb height
-Adjustable head angle 63-65°
-150 mm cranks
- Weight under 45 pounds
  • 46 9
 I would add: Fuzua style removable battery AND motor so that you have a normal bike when you hit the lifts
  • 22 27
flag Jamestyrrell (Sep 9, 2019 at 0:01) (Below Threshold)
 I still don't understand a downhill E-bike. DH bikes are trash to pedal up, motor or not. They'll have dropper posts next.
  • 52 10
 @Jamestyrrell: pretty simple Motor = shuttle or uplift.
Once the weights come down.
DH bikes will be the standard with a motor.
Even though this though melts your brain.
I remember when full suspension came out, most said it robbed you of energy and would never catch on.
Once there is a 18kg 100nm 1000watt DH bike with good angles that will be very interesting.
  • 3 0
 @Jamestyrrell: I should have added 150 mm dropper post to my wishlist, and Waki has a good idea also.
  • 6 4
 @DestructorNZ: even with the motor though. The low seat, geometry and suspension will make it very hard. A lot of pushup's i've done i wouldn't want to attempt on a normal e-bike because they're steep, forget doing it with soft suspension and a low seat, i'd rather push up and have a light bike to send it down.
  • 5 0
 @Jamestyrrell: Preety sure Haibike alredy has a DH ebike with a dropper and a proper seat angle to be able to pedal it.
  • 7 0
 @Jamestyrrell: don't forget though that with the E bike you can easily pedal the long way around rather than ride directly up where you would normally push. if you've ever been to Wharny you will know its steep to go directly up but the fire road goes a massive loop round. with the Pedelec you could just chill and pedal the long way no issues.

Also I've used a dropper post on my Summum before when riding in the Alps. it made getting from Morzine to Switzerland much less effort.
  • 7 6
 @aidy: How would you describe the seat angle on Summum? Is it good for pedalling? From my "observation" it seems that effective SA is quite close to a regular Enduro bike 73-74 degrees. I am seriosuly considering buying a DH bike, putting dropper and regular drive train on it, then shock with a lockout. E-bike or not, I already have DH tyres on my 160 bike and a noodle in the rear, I may as well add 40mm of travel.
  • 4 1
 @Laymo: your bike exists in form of a Hai Bike Xduro Dwnhll 8.0/9.0
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I was riding my Lapierre DH and Scott Voltage FR 10km or more to the trail...def. doable Wink

Lot of DH bikes have normal SA angles- now buy a shock with lockout or firm up the compression and youre good to go.
  • 5 5
 @NotNamed: that’s the plan. I will be hunting for Summum or Sender which tend to come with DHX2 shock, which can be fitted with lockout knob instead of LSC knob. Normally DHX2 costs 1/3rd of a used Quality DH bike.
  • 1 2
 @Jamestyrrell: Good for you...
  • 11 3
 After having spent a fair bit of time on e-bikes I have no idea why they come with anything less than 180-200mm travel, all the benefits of shorter travel (lighter, poppy, efficient) have zero rollover to e-bikes, which are heavy, sluggish handling and do all the work for you.

Would love to see more 200mm travel e-bikes to rip around in turbo mode and plough everything on.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: my mate swapped his summon frame for a Tues and decided to turn the summon in to an eduro rig.
180 fox 36s put the head tube about the same place as 40s with the diff size of the lower crown. He's then shortened the stroke on his X2 shock but left the eye the same and had a climb switch added. As it's all carbon the bike is lighter than my mega and climbs nearly as well. It's a beast of a bike
  • 7 0
 @laymo We could build you a Nicolai EBOXX with all of those specs - except sub-45lbs - it would be impossible to make a bike with those specs that would last more than a few minutes as all the components would be way too light.

You can even have the Rohloff/Gates carbon drive option if you're also bored of tearing off derailleurs.

en.nicolai-bicycles.com/g1-eboxx-2020
  • 3 0
 @ctd07: My 135mm turbo levo handled some huge hucks. 2.8 tires and wide rims makes a difference.
  • 7 5
 @DestructorNZ: sadly this is true. Once the weight comes down there will be no reason not to have a motor. The stigma is disappearing and the cost is coming down.

Ebiking is mountain biking now.
  • 8 3
 @DDoc: no, not really... there’s a group of people who claim Enduro bikes are almost as capable as DH bikes and it may be true. If we you are comparing a 2018 Enduro 29 or Slash with pre 2013 DH bike, yes. If we are comparing a 220 Enduro bike with 2020 DH bike then no.
  • 2 0
 @paulaston: "We..." You work at Nicolai now? Cool!
  • 4 3
 @paulaston: that rear end looks ridiculous. Use larger section tubes if only for the sake of looks. It looks like my dad before he started taking care of himself and stopped drinking 2 beers a day every day. That is huge belly, no ass and thin legs. Germany is full of these folks...
  • 3 0
 @vinay: he either truly believed in what they do and joined up. Or it was a reward for years of carrying the water for then.

The way ebikes and geo are going it pains me to say that he was right about a lot of things.
  • 4 0
 @paulaston: Can you explain to me why e-bikes are so heavy? The difference between regular G1 and electric G1 is 13 kg. Bosch motor + 625 battery weigh 2.9 + 3.5 kg. Where's the remaining 6.6 kg difference coming from? I realize there's more material on the frame, but surely not 6 kilos of it?
  • 2 0
 I would also remove the seat and ride it raw dog.
  • 2 0
 @pperini: Also Husqvarna Extreme Cross
  • 1 0
 @paulaston: I hadn't seen that one, looks promising! Love the smaller rear wheel, makes even more sense for an E bike. I should have also included a gearbox on my wishlist, pretty ridiculous that everybody is still putting flimsy derailleurs on mopeds.
  • 2 0
 @
I’m dying????????????! That is the best description of 90% of the men in my age group.
  • 1 0
 Someone give me a motor/control system and I'll building something super exciting! Already got a few ideas in my head...
  • 3 0
 @vinay: Yes, I left Pb in February. Have been at Nicolai (and working with some other brands) for a few months, after meeting and riding bikes from nearly every brand in the world over the last 5 years there was only one road I considered taking!
  • 8 0
 @WAKIdesigns: because Nicolai is an engineering company, not a fashion brand. They make what works not what looks the prettiest!
  • 4 0
 We have this already. Its called enduro and motor is you.
  • 2 0
 @paulaston: Sounds great Paul! Always cool to be at a company that does everything in house and willing to try something new. I still recall their super industrial looking bikes with a million possible shock mounts and a frame mounted Rohloff as gearbox. I'm by no means in the market for one of their products but as a fan I just love to see what they have up their sleeve next. Enjoy!
  • 1 0
 @vinay: He does.
  • 4 7
 @paulaston: heh, don’t take it personally, but that’s a damn lame argument, quite an asocial one, unfortunately popular among small brands who use it for nothing else but profiling themselves as “no nonsense engineers” or “craftsmen”. I heard it many times, you surely got inspired haha. I value your opinion a lot but... It’s like saying, I eat apples only for Vitamins. Or “I am having sex only to reproduce and lower my libido, because then I can think more clearly”
  • 2 0
 @pperini: too bad the geometry is utter garbage
  • 1 0
 @Jamestyrrell: Nicolai G1. I challenge your contention
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Nicolai G1. Its a game changer. Its phenomenal. You should do a demo day
  • 1 0
 @Riwajc: care to explain? The geo looks just fine to me. If by "utter garbage" you mean the bb-drop, cuz really thats literaly the ONLY number out of place in the whole geo chart, then thats easily explained: its an e-bike and it has 200mm of travel with a motor under the bb and a lot of weight, so obviously it needs to sit higher. Other than that the geo is perfectly fine...
  • 2 0
 Just squeaking in under that weight limit, but otherwise matches your requirements:
krankedbikes.com
It's a mid-drive retrofit, and it rips (I've ridden several of them), but it's not gonna come in under the class-1 wattage limits. Wink
Bjorn rides these things up steeps that I am afraid to ride _down_ though.
  • 2 1
 @Jamestyrrell: Isn't that what the chairlift is for, getting to the top of the fun stuff.
  • 1 2
 @ctd07: Please explain how ebikes works. Can I cruze around without pedaling and if so, how long and how fast?
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: i think that will be the game changer for gravity/dh ebikes, i like my bike but honestly if there was a bike with such specs, i will make a think about.
  • 1 0
 Doesn't hit all your marks but the 2020 Cannondale Moterra SE is 160 rear with 180 Boxxer triple crown up front on 29" wheels and has dropper, 12 speed drivetrain and dropper post. Guess is about 52-54lbs
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: dh bikes that can climb is as good as mtb gets. Just added a boxxer to my Geometron g16 (175mm fear travel), it plows like any of the best dh bikes, but the well sorted geometry and dropper post let it climb like an enduro bike should. It’s incredible.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: So as our resident Swede, are you are saying you want the Husky Extreme Cross EXC 10?

Most of their frames look like they have some kind of modular motor mount so you could potentially mount any motor brand you wanted with a different adapter or even none at all when you leave the battery at home.

It's like a Billy bookcase on wheels
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Summun with a 180mm fork would be nuts.
Maybe Take a look at the Scott Gambler- very adjustable.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: or maybe a Knolly Delirium with the 188mm rear shock option?

I pedaled mine over 1000m just fine.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Summum actual STA 65d. Prob yields a longish ETT in the absence of stumpy troll legs. Also, dropper insertion length...Reverb wireless? Yr asking for trouble, so do it already
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: plenty of people do that, dropper + wide cassette = epic park bike / big mountain bike
  • 1 0
 @paulaston:
No offense to anyone, but little bit of aesthetics never hurts.
  • 1 0
 the same list
  • 1 0
 @filryan: that will be Keify then?
  • 1 0
 @paulaston: Right, because all the manufacturers of aesthetically pleasing bikes are "fashion brands." Give me a break. Nicolai bikes are ugly as sin. There are plenty of great handling and great looking bikes out there...I've owned plenty of them.
  • 44 1
 Bianchi: here’s one diagram of how hot air rises and two other unrelated diagrams of how our cooling system’s intake is at the top and vents out the bottom.
  • 3 22
flag Bruccio (Sep 9, 2019 at 0:09) (Below Threshold)
 ever heard about ram-air intakes?
  • 26 1
 @Bruccio: lmao because this bike is going at super sonic speeds ahahaha
  • 7 1
 it another ebike designed with Sam Pilgrim, so you just have to do back flips as you go down
  • 12 0
 @Bruccio: it will be rammed full of mud in the UK. Pointless. It will be a good flushing hole for the hose pipe that's all.
  • 17 0
 The Bianchi is a pretty obnoxious looking thing in my opinion. Would rather just have an a-moto bike instead.
  • 1 0
 @tegnamo: the roof vent on my track car starts pushing air into the cabin at about 5 MPH i'm sure that this will be more than adequate for helping to cool the battery.
  • 3 2
 @tegnamo: i'm not talking about SCRAM-jet engines here. ram intakes work at normal speeds.
@Intensevp fair enough, but UK is not the whole world.

i realize that i's more a marketing move than anything else, but maybe the keyboard engineers should keep a slightly more open mind,
  • 7 0
 @Bruccio: I ride in Canada and my first though when I saw that cooling duct was: "Huh, that's going to work until the first muddy spot". Even with one of those small plastic fork guards (like Mucky Nutz)that area gets muddy.

Assuming you live somewhere dry and dusty it would work as ram-air moving and in the other direction when resting. It just seems that putting a heat-exchanger with few fins on the outside of the battery in direct airflow would be a better option? Is battery overheating that big an issue on an e-mtb?
  • 2 0
 @Surestick: "t just seems that putting a heat-exchanger with few fins on the outside of the battery in direct airflow would be a better option? Is battery overheating that big an issue on an e-mtb?"

have no idea, i ride a normal MTB Big Grin and you're right, heat sinks would be effective probably...and heavy Wink
  • 1 0
 This thing looks like a prop from the Street Fighter movie. I feel like that guy with a Hummer 2 gets it to show to people at the barbecue, and it will never make it to the trails. "It's a Be-ant-she. Figured we were doing that home equity loan to get the boat, might as well get this too."
The other bikes to respectable though.
  • 21 2
 That Kona is one of the best looking e-bikes I've ever seen
  • 15 0
 Wonder how long it will take until we start seeing DH WC racers using E-bike suspension forks for the extra stiffness
  • 20 0
 It's already happened in EWS racing.
  • 10 1
 @brianpark: yep, get a few extra months before the csu creak starts
  • 20 0
 eMTB forks (and brakes) are an incredible "hack" for some serious quality budget parts. Best fork I've ever bought was a $450 fox factory 34 e-bike. Nobody wants them so they always go on sale. Stiff as a 36, priced to go.
  • 14 2
 Yeah I have no interest in owning an eMTB but welcome the influx of burly suspension, brakes and tires they're driving.
  • 4 1
 @Drew-O: Yeah I was just gonna also mention the Schwalbe Eddy Current eBike tyres - they're a really good hard riding tyre
  • 1 0
 If that Onyx DC 29 comes in ~44mm offset them sign me up for one.
  • 1 0
 @MrBurger: whwre do you find these?
  • 15 0
 Funny that they are making eBike specific forks for an additional 15 lbs of bike weight. The variance in rider weights is way more than that so if I weigh 180 lbs do I need a specific fork? Why are they still using non reservoir rear shocks? A lot of marketing hacks right now to drum up business.
  • 2 0
 @MrBurger: Yeah, I've got Shimano E-bike brakes on my MTB and if I were to build up another bike, I'd probably get another pair
  • 1 1
 This^
I've killed three Fox 36 CSUs in three years. The last one only lasted 4 months, and I am neither super heavy, nor super aggressive (200lbs all geared up, 46 years old and have to go to work on Monday).

DVO has been solid for a year so far though, so fingers stay crossed Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @enki: I’m now 80kg. I shouldn’t be having CSU issues since I don’t ride hard or aggro.
  • 12 0
 That Bianchi transforms to Optimus Primes little brother in the next Transformers movie.
  • 9 2
 An iconic company with such great classic traditions craps it's classy pants and goes with a cartoon SUV bike.
  • 5 0
 I'm old, so I just see Mechagodzilla...
  • 2 0
 I thought it was a new Bat Mobile.
  • 10 1
 Im not sure the Bianchi helps convince people that e-bikes arent motorbikes...

Its surprising how the viewpoint is starting to shift in places. You are starting to see more e-bikes out on the trails in the UK. I dont have one but they do appeal to those who only have a few hours on a Sunday to play with. If you can ride up a hill once and get a run in or ride up four times in about the same time then those on a time budget get more fun on the bike. I get it, even thought I havent got it!

The key thing that suprises be however is that the size of the batteries hasnt come down. If you are on a two hour ride, you dont need two hours of pedal assist. If they made e-bikes with smaller batteries for 'that extra couple of runs' rather than 'easy pedalling all day' they might break the back of the cynicism and also the weight issue.

In the UK (with merely two ski lift parks- both in scotland) it will change the landscape of bike parks. Vans and trailers will fade away and bike parks will hike e-bike tickets from 5-10 quid to the 40 quid seen for an uplift.

Whether we like it or not, its coming...
  • 7 2
 It has a freakin headlight. just add turn signals!
  • 4 3
 @fruitsd79: needs a spot for the license plate
  • 4 2
 Hideous looks, headlight, taillight, fenders, intake and exhaust, motor... what the heck is that Bianchi, cause it ain't a mountain bike.
  • 2 1
 The Issue is riding without any assist feels like riding with two flats. Not on pavement but on the trail. Sometimes I turn down Eco mode to 10-15% to just compensate for the added weight of the bike. But it feels like a ton of drag without any assist.
  • 2 1
 @PtDiddy: even on the pavement it's like that. I ran out of go juice commuting home and it was freaking horrible.

Also, can I just say an emtb is easily the most fun commuter I've tried. Slack and easy riding, but plenty fast enough. People have been banging on for years about 'one bike to do it all', and an emtb comes pretty close. It's obviously not great as a $100 beater pub bike, but neither is most of the bikes on here.
  • 8 0
 Hey pinkbike why aren't you reporting on the 1.8inch to 1.125inch steerer tube coming out for ebike forks? You know the one created by those brilliant engineers that lack the courage to just slap a dual crown on an ebike?
  • 10 0
 Real Mountain bikers: "Well at least the headlight as actually a pretty cool feature."
  • 7 1
 If you ever wonder why everything you don't like happens, I don't know either.
  • 3 0
 That Bianchi fender looks 90% good, a bit better execution and it'd be a neat way to blend in the battery. I wonder why they went to so much effort with the front, but didn't do even a basic rear fender.

Also that Unior toolbox is fricken hawt
  • 5 0
 Need the 2020 Decoy. Smaller motor and 700w battery. Sounds like a lot of fun.
  • 4 1
 Kona wins this round. Great looking bike. Looking forward to serious reviews and shootouts this fall of all the new e-bikes. Although my 2018 TL is running strong, its still fun to watch the development.
  • 2 0
 Simply dump Humans.. selfished by consuming.. My Kids, my job, my parents, no time to ride or i can't even ride, wished i had a moto when i was young, ... you all, you all are going the wrong way... I don't give a f*** about your bad decisions, until you make yours to mine or everyone elses. And that's what you do buying this sh** and ride the trails you porobably had never touched in a positive way. Oh yeah.. bring your wife, kids and business colleagues on the trails also, nice man...
Sadly!
  • 1 0
 Instant gratification for those who can pony up the cash and call themselves mountain bikers, even though they are just riding a MOTORIZED VEHICLE and not putting in the time to learn skills with fitness.
  • 3 1
 When they get the weight donw to something near 13-15Kg they might be interesting. Once batteries get cheaper, lighter and longer lived, emtb's will probably take over. Sadly.
  • 1 0
 Then well have flying enduros for 6kg..
  • 4 5
 Speaking of weight:
"DVO's Onyx E1fork has taller bushings and a stiffer crown for the extra loads from heavier eMTBs and riders."
Heavier riders.
There you have it, folks. E-biking leads to loads of heavier riders.
  • 4 0
 That light on the Bianchi...why it is not turning with bars? What is it good for like this? Oh dear...
  • 2 0
 lots of potential for adaptive bikes ! rather see this than the same old tired content ! the fringe is what fills the gaps of the mainstream narrative that flourishes here on pinkbike!
  • 4 1
 Only thing I got from this article was that I can filter eMTB stuff. While it won't be as much fun not ripping on ebikes, Im out.
  • 1 0
 He's right. These are just motorized vehicles.
  • 2 0
 While ago I think it was Mike Levy who did a story about beefier components for e-bikes being a boon for those of us who need tougher stuff. This is a great example of that. Loving the forks.
  • 2 0
 New tech is an interesting thing. I suspect that eBikes will peak at some point because they will become too similar to motorcycles.

www.rideapart.com/articles/369769/e-bike-embarrasses-dirt-bikes/amp
  • 1 0
 That Bianchi ventilation diagram is completely crap. It seems as though the forced convection due to the bike traveling forward counteracts the natural convection of any hot air attempting to evacuate towards the head tube (if you can even call that frontal monstrosity a tube). All the e-SUV accomplishes is to allow a bunch of ingress points for filthy water to destroy electricals. On a side note, when your only drawing a couple few hundred watts from batteries contained in a fairly large down tube, you would have need to have an incredibly inefficient and shit design to even require additional cooling over what naturally conducts to, and convects off, the frame.

/rant.
  • 3 1
 I've been on PINKBIKE since 1999, and it was always about "sharing the ride" as we pedal ourselves through adventures. eBIKES are MOTORIZED VEHICLES no matter how you try to define them and DO NOT belong here.
  • 1 0
 @DestructorNZ: "Get off my lawn!"
  • 1 0
 this is sad to see. The whole point of mountain biking is to have the pedal up hill so you can enjoy the downhill. Yes the uphill sucks, yes somehow people still beat me up it. But the point is my fitness and skill on the bike gets better every time i hit that horrible uphill, but it makes the downhill so much better and satisfying. The e bikes are just taking away the fitness of the sport. Just get a dirt bike if you don't want to pedal.
  • 1 0
 I’m sick of this ebike shit. Ebikes are currently way to slow 15mph Europe or 20mph USA - pedal assist emtb should be limited min of 28mph or nominal output 1250watts. I’d like trail legal bikes that could be alternatives to a small Moto bike not top athlete riders.
  • 5 1
 This must be S&M for Pinkbike !
  • 2 2
 *SM (there's no '&', sorry just sayin)
  • 2 0
 @IllestT: well your missing out mate Big Grin
  • 2 3
 @Matt115lamb: *you're
  • 3 0
 @IllestT: sory sir
  • 4 0
 bianchi god id hate to see how many cracks that bad girl has after one run
  • 4 0
 I can only see a Fresh Water/Dirt Intake on the Bianchi
  • 3 0
 *nobody* -
*bianchi* - "lets make a real edgy ebike, nobody likes curves anyway."
SMH
  • 8 4
 still waiting for an ebike that weighs around 35lbs
  • 3 0
 You guys should check out foes fabrication made in the USA out of this world it's still a prototype.
  • 1 0
 Yea? What’s Brent done now? EFoes? Bring back the LTS with a motor I say! ????
  • 1 0
 "DVO's Onyx E1fork has taller bushings and a stiffer crown for the extra loads from heavier eMTBs and RIDERS."
- Subtle jab by PB about the "heavier riders" that ride eBikes???
  • 6 6
 So we have more and more motorcycle companies pushing or licensing their brand to e-bikes now (Husqvarna, Kawasaki, KTM, Yamaha) and automotive suppliers like bosh suppling the motors for a majority of bikes and we are still arguing these bicycles with motors are not motorcycles?
  • 6 2
 Yes, because they are not similar to motorcycles at all. Honda makes lawn mowers. That does not make a lawn mower a car. Companies can have a large umbrella of products that don’t relate to each other.
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 @PtDiddy: yeah, if you going to sit on your lawn mower and drive it over to the grocery store, guess what, you would have to register it as a car to do that...
Anyway, look at the history of motorcycles.
First there was bicycles and the same companies making them started putting available engines on them.
at first there where steam engines, followed by gas engines. A lot of them had pedals because the engines where not powerful enough or not efficient enough. Hence the term Mo-Ped, a Motorcycle with Pedals. Engines got better and pedals started disappearing. so how is this different from what is happening now with electric?
Don't tell me you would not want more Watts on your e-bike. All suppliers are working on on more powerful and more efficient motors and better batteries.... 250W is already more than any recreational cyclist is able to put out for more than a short sprint...
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 @michibretz:
If you road your lawnmower to the store you would get pulled over and get a ticket. Because a lawnmower will never be a car. You can't take your lawnmower into the DMV and register it as a car. Just like I can not take my ebike intot he DMV and say I want to register my Mo-ped. Because it is not a Mo-ped. Nor is it a motorcycle.

There are already classifications for ebikes. If a manufacturer makes a bike outside of those classifications then it is not an ebike. Depending on the specs it may be a Mo-ped or a motorcycle. But it wont be an ebike.

Yes, Electrical motors are improving and we will probably see more electric motorcycles in the future. Still doesn't make an ebike a motorcycle. Even if electric mo-peds become a thing, it doesn't make an ebike a mo-ped or motorcycle. Again, they have classifications to separate them.

I will tell you I don't need more watts. I rarely take my ebike out of eco mode. I actually would like an ebike with a smaller motor and battery. One that I could take the battery out and have it weigh close to an alloy mountain bike. That way I could use it with out a battery and pedal assist as well. LaPierre makes one close to this. I think we will see ebikes like this in the near future.

Ebikes are limited to 750w. So if manufactures make one with more watts, it wont be an ebike (Again, there are classification limitations). Otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with manufacturers making more efficient motors and batteries.
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 @PtDiddy: I

Yeah, the industry lobbied well for this classification. The discussions about these classifications are not over though, especially in Europe.

If I go out and put wings on my bike, is it a W-Bike or a plane?
well, if I where to fly around wherever I want I will run into issues with the FAA no matter how often I tell them its a bicycle.

If it has a motor its a motorcycle. End of story
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 Biatchi made a bike with cooling vents to cool off our ball sweat. I wonder what they will come up with next.
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 The welding on that devinci is shocking
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 Bianchi beyond ugly. I especially liked the part about the bushings for heavier emtbs AND riders
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 That Kona is looking mint!
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 I'm thinking more "seafoam" personally...
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 What's up with MTB these days? People need lithium to make them happy, more cushion for the pushin, big hoops, rim protection, ass packs, and why is everyone so dirty?
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 thank god for these ebikes i am getting old. just in time
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 Hub motors, front and rear! Why has this not happened yet?
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 Because a two wheel drive bicycle wouldn't seem likely to handle the way we're familiar with... which may or may not be a negative; I won't say without trying it, but the general trend seems to be making e-bikes kinda like bikes.
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 Because unsprung weight issue
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 E bikes are going to lead to registering and licensing of mountain biking adding cost and red tape to the sport.
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 My eyes are bleeding
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 That Bianchi wouldn’t look out of place in Tron..
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 Air vents for the battery - because over heating is something that other eBikes suffer from?
Errrr, no
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 The Bianchi space demon you are looking for is a Cylon!
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 Im staring at Bianchi's and its making my brain hurt..
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 Are eMTB even that popular? Seems like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon just because the competition has one. I am not a fan of these!!! Kona and Devinci ruined their bikes by adding these motors!!!
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 Kona and Bianchi got their paint colours mixed up.
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 That Bianchi is definitely a Cylon
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 with lamp?? just GTFO.
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 You will all riding one sooner or later
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 pinkbike has an e-bike filter? Who knew there were snowflakes on the trails during summer time.
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 Why bother with these when KTM Freeride E-XC happens!
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 Nice try Bianci.. But thats enough now fellas.
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 E bikes SUCK!
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 Dont' read about them then ,SIMPLE (perhaps you are?)
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 @MickT13: I have the e-bike filter on and yet this article still shows in my feed...
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 More mopeds lol
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 Motorized pedal bikes = Mopeds. Exactly.
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 Keep up the ebike reviews and news, it is the way of the future!
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 Will have emtb soon. In near future few people will enjoy normal bikes I guess.
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 What makes you think so? Riding unassisted bikes will always be as fun as it is now. E-bikes will always be more expensive than a bike without pedal assist both to buy as in terms of wear and maintenance. And especially as development goes quick and as a regular consumer can't really check the condition of a battery, resale will be more difficult. So there sure will be overlap but I'd be surprised if even half the current mountainbikers would get an e-bike (for mountainbiking) too. E-bikes may also attract a new audience but a good number of them may get fed up by wearing expensive stuff out and will eventually buy an unassisted bike too. A bit like how people who primarily ride full suspension bikes may still get a hardtail for muddy winter riding just to limit the wear on their expensive stuff. So my guess is that it will all coexist.
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 @vinay: that's sorta what I was thinking ---

1. how long are these Ebait battiers going to last? and when they no longer take a charge... then what?
****new battery gonna cost more than just buying a new Ebait?

2. what happen if/when the charger is just broken, then what?

3. doesn't have an odometer, so, the 2nd buyer doesn't know how many miles it has left in that battery
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 @vinay: not true, over 12,000km on e-mtb in the squamish, whistler

900KM replace rear pads and a tire 2.8 minion dh and or asseagi
batteries are about 20,000 km longevity before they start to lose it-easy to see how much is left in a battery
Ride way more so cost per ride is way less and actually hold value more
ebikes bring in more riders at a commuter level for sure, however to ride fast and hard you have to be a good rider so most come from already being a rider, i have 30 years from north shore to Squamish, trail work etc,
whatever you ride just get out and do more of it.....
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 @norona: The bit about wear I didn't base on personal experience as I simply don't have an e-bike. There was a week or so on Pinkbike with some extra e-bike coverage. Not sure who it was but this particular editor/tester mentioned considerably more wear on expensive components. It may be just him but I took that for granted. Your experience could be different so fair enough.

As for resale value, I live in The Netherlands where commuting by bike is really common. And of course in recent years, we've been seeing more and more bikes with pedal assist which in turn pull even more people out of their cars. But bikeshops do face the issue that they have a hard time reselling e-bikes people trade-in when they come and buy their second e-bike. Firstly because technology goes so fast that a five year old e-bike really looks dated but secondly because people are afraid to buy a bike with hidden problems they themselves can't fix. More shops now have equipment to read out a battery so they can inform a potential buyer about the condition of the bike, but this obviously doesn't work for bikes that people sell to each other directly. All in all, when buying an e-bike you just need to accept that you're spending more money on the bike (difference between sale and resale) and on wear parts (which includes the battery).

Now by all means don't get me wrong. I'm not saying e-bikes (or even e-mtb) are a bad idea. I responded to the comment stating that in the near future few people will be on normal (by which I interpret unassisted) bikes. I just don't think that's true. Not everyone currently on an unassisted bike will be able (or willing to) afford an e-bike and not everyone will even want one. Not everyone lives near mountains. And not everyone hates climbing so much that they feel the need to rush it. Heck, I even enjoy a challenging climb. Not in order to say I've "earned" my descend, I just enjoy the climb in its own right. Yes I'm daft enough to even session sections of a climb. A switchback section, a root or rock I spin out on. And sure that may just be me. But again there sure must be more than a few who may be willing to spend 1000 euro on a decent hardtail, 50 euros on a helmet and just go out in the woods for laughs. They're not going to spend 4000 on a bike. Really, that's a lot of money and only a few are willing to pay that.
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 @vinay: agree with all your bullet points.

For ME ---- I'd totally rock one for urban commute where I don't want to get too sweaty for my boring desk job, stinking up the office cuz the company doesn't offer job site showers. I might think about Ebaits when the weight comes down... speaking of, what happens if you're 20 miles from home and the battery dies, it's dark it's getting cold and you bonk'd 5 miles ago... man, it's gonna suck when you gotta push your 45lbs bike thru that. ehh, I'll stick to traditional bikes.
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 @BikesNBites: I've bonked on a normal bike and ebonked and neither are fun! lol Bonking both at the same time would suuuuuuuuck. I nearly did it a few weeks ago biting off a lot more than I thought I could chew. I made it with nothing left it either tank. But still fun though.

But you are correct, emtb as commuting is fantastic! I use mine as one and it's a bloody blast.

@vinay: yeah we're in the tricky thing now that the tech moves so fast because we are at the very early stages of it. I reckon from this year or next onwards the tech will probably slow down a little, but it'll be a decade or more before it stabilizes to something approaching regular bike tech. Which TBH, itsn't that stable either!

For your other stuff, there's no reason at all they can't happily coexist together. I've been riding bikes for nearly 40 years, but this year got an emtb. They are hella fun, and it's the most fun I can remember having since I first got a bike. Yes, fat, old guys like me will be a bit faster on a climb, and sweating less (always a good thing for those around me!) But otherwise it's no different to the other 39 years of riding I've been doing.
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 E-Bikes are the new F-1 of MTB. It’s definitely the future of the sport XC, DH, and Enduro. Enjoy folks!
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 E-bikes are the Minivans and SUVs of MTB. They are necessary as the electric sliding door on a Chrysler Town and Country....
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 Jesus...what the f*ck has happened to mountain biking?
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 its gotten WAY better.. that's what has happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~
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 Pussies happened.
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 @chriskneeland: that happened long ago, when multiple gears and suspension was invented.
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flag chriskneeland (Sep 9, 2019 at 6:08) (Below Threshold)
 @Mngnt: No, gears and suspension meant you could go faster and bigger. Electric motoring just means you're a pussy.
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 @chriskneeland: you must mean dicks. Pussies take a pounding and keep coming back for more. Dicks are all over and done with in 10 mins tops then take an hour to recover.
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flag chriskneeland (Sep 9, 2019 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 @Imtoooldforthisshiz: Jesus man, there are fn kids reading this.
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 @chriskneeland: @chriskneeland: because relating bike choice to gender in an arbitrary (and derogatory) manner is ok for young kids, but using that same logic against you isn’t...
Get off your high horse!
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flag chriskneeland (Sep 9, 2019 at 14:39) (Below Threshold)
 @JaToledo: I know women who aren't pussies. Pussies is a gender fluid term.
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 @chriskneeland: Look, the word pussy is still associated to a certain body part, which is found in female bodies, and is therefore inevitably linked to a biological gender. Then, you say that you "know women who aren't pussies", as if most were and this is somehow special or exceptional, or somehow justified the use of the word. If you truley believed most women weren't "pussies", you wouldn't be saying this any ways. And calling both women and men this word doesn't somehow change it's meaning and origin either, it just implies you're rude to more people.

Yet, this has little to do with how stupid it is to treat people who use ebikes in a derogatory manner using a female body part for speech (as if it had anything to do with anything here) and later freak out because of the kids here.

E-bikes allow people to ride more, maintain trail centers, commute faster, carry more gear, keep up, or in some cases ride a bike at all.

You at least could have given some arguments (which exist and are good considerations), yet decided that simply saying "pussy" would be more contributing to the whole of mountainbiking.
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flag chriskneeland (Sep 9, 2019 at 15:51) (Below Threshold)
 @JaToledo: Sounds like something a pussy would say.
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 @chriskneeland: Haha, you just try and figure out what you sound like right now Wink
Hint: there's alot more than just one word to describe you
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