First Ride: Revel's Rail Enduro Bike is an Impressive Debut

Feb 28, 2019 at 6:47
by Daniel Sapp  



Revel Bikes launched today with two bikes in their line up - the 130mm travel Rascal with 29" wheels and the 165mm travel, 27.5" wheeled Rail, both of which feature Canfield's CBF (Canfield Balance Formula) suspension platform. I've had the Rail in my possession for several weeks now and in that time I've had the opportunity to put a number of miles in on it in varying terrain. Enough time to report a solid first impression.

The Rail, with its 165mm of travel, is available in three standard builds, but all bikes can be customized. The middle of the road build that I had sells for $6,499 USD and comes with either DVO or Rockshox suspension, Truvativ cranks, SRAM Code RSC brakes, and SRAM's X01 drivetrain. The wheels on all of the builds are Industry Nine and mine happened to have carbon rims laced up as well. All of the builds also come stock with Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR tires with the new EXO + casing.
Revel Rail Details

• Intended use: Enduro
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear-wheel travel: 165mm
• Boost 12x148
• 1x specific
• Revel custom carbon frame
• Water bottle mount
• Size: S through XL
• Weight: 30.2 lbs. (as tested w/o pedals)
• Price: $4,999-$8,699 (Frame only: $2,599, Frame/Fork: $3,199)
• Available now
www.revelbikes.com


The Rail's suspension platform is licensed from Canfield Brothers. Its design helps isolate pedaling from the suspension so that when you're pedaling, you're not pushing into the suspension.

If you've ridden any of the Canfield Brothers bikes or have looked at the suspension much, there's a fair amount of stuff going on in there. The CBF suspension aims the chain line and drive forces at the top of the chainring through 100% of the travel which, reportedly, makes pedaling more efficient. CBF isolates the suspension from pedaling and also, braking forces.

Most four-bar suspensions (which includes dual-link designs) are built around what's called an "instant center" - the theoretical position that the rear axle arcs around at any given point in the suspension's travel (single-pivot suspensions always trace the same arc). If you plotted the movement of the four-bar's instant center as the suspension moved to full compression, it would create a curving path called "center of curvature." On many multi-link bikes, the paths of their instant center change in some pretty funky ways.

With the Canfield design, the center of curvature is aimed to track a small area on the top of the chainring. This, according to Revel, puts the chainline forces in a good place and creates a very efficient and active pedaling platform that is independent of sag, travel, drivetrain, and braking inputs.



Who is Revel?

There are a lot of bikes and bike brands out there right now and it seems a new one pops up every few weeks. In such a saturated market, it's a huge risk to launch another brand unless you have something truly unique to offer. I was really not all that interested in this bike until I heard who was behind it, which changed my thoughts entirely. There's a large team making this brand happen, but here are some of the key players in the design and engineering process whose names caught my eye:

Adam Miller: Adam has been around bikes for a while. He founded and later sold Borealis fat bikes, one of the first fat bike brands. Since then, he's started Why Cycles. Why is a smaller brand that has earned a cult following for their titanium bikes. I've ridden one of them and they ride remarkably well and are beautifully made.

Chris Canfield: A lot of people have heard the Canfield name in and around the bike industry for some time now. Chris and his brother Lance are OG's who have designed a number of bikes. A few years ago, they patented their CBF suspension platform, which Revel is using in their bikes and Chris is helping to engineer and fine tune.

Jeremiah Starkey: Starkey has been in suspension for a long time and is regarded as one of the more knowledgeable people in the world when it comes to it. He spent a decade as lead engineer at RockShox and was Director of Product Research and Development for Trust Performance, where he worked with Dave Weagle and Jason Schiers to create the wild looking linkage fork that Levy has been riding back and forth to Tim Hortons.

Jason Schiers: As mentioned above, Schiers was one of the key players in the development of the Trust fork but that's just his latest project. He's been one of the leading authorities on carbon in bicycles. He worked with Reynolds, started ENVE, and then went on to work on a number of other projects including the Crankbrothers Synthesis wheels. He and Miller had a chance encounter and hit it off, becoming friends with Schiers helping on various projects Miller had throughout the years.

Mike Giese: Mike is an industrial and graphic designer who has a reputation for creating some incredibly unique shapes on bikes. He's also a talented rider and has somehow earned the name "Steezy Giese" - look up his Instagram.



Frame Details

There's some pretty interesting stuff going on with the frame design here and a lot of that lies in the carbon. Revel worked with Jason Schiers in developing their bikes and figuring out how to make them ride well and hold up to the abuse that riders would put on them. I spent a while chatting with Miller and Schiers to better understand what exactly is going on with the carbon layup and design of the bike and there's a lot that's different to what most other brands are doing.

Schiers says one of the things that he most likes about carbon and what makes it unique, is how tunable it is. The ride of the bike can be tuned in a way that makes it stiff where it needs to be and more compliant where it doesn't.

According to Schiers, the industry standard with carbon, historically, is to use a mixture of 0, 45, and 90-degree fibers to make a frame and then just build up wall thickness where it's needed to get the desired characteristics. Schiers says, in actuality, the fiber angles should be dictated by the load going through that specific part - that you should tailor those fiber angles to do very specific work. Do that, and you end up with efficiencies that other carbon parts don't have. You can make lighter parts than your competitors, which are more durable at the same time.

It takes a better machine and more work to cut angles in less standard ways, along with more time to lay it up. Schiers says that one of the benefits of the 0, 45, and 90-degree fiber layups is that it's balanced and you get a consistency of product when you're in production. It's more forgiving and that's why most manufacturers use this method.

Schiers says he works to understand how the energies and forces of riding move throughout the frame. He says, in some areas of the frame, you're looking for end to end stiffness and in others, you're looking for "hoop strength" so that you can manage impacts and loads that specific area is going to see. You're changing the laminate to adjust for that. It's all about dialing in each specific part of the frame for the loads you're going to see.

The bike may not feel a ton different when riding from a standard carbon layup, but it's going to be more efficient in being lighter weight and stronger. With Scheirs' technique, he claims he can make the bike the same weight but a lot stiffer and stronger. In some areas, instead of running a lot of 45-degree fibers, they ran a lot of long fibers to help one end of the bike communicate well with the other. Under the down tube, which suffers rock strikes and gets tossed on the back of your truck, you need more hoop strength so they have that in there. It's basically laminate construction 2.0.

Schiers says he believes people became used to using metals and being able to spec a certain tube series and get a pretty consistent result across the board as far as strength and ride quality go. With carbon, using the same laminate, you can get a massive difference in end product across the board. Depending on how you cure it and process it, you can get 80 percent differences in finished products. Schiers claims that's what a lot of cheap designs are doing and it's giving carbon a bad name. It's as much process and pattern as it is material.

According to Schiers, the Revel laminates and frames are on par with the best carbon in the world. They've bypassed the whole process of figuring out carbon for the first time by starting with the right people.

Cable routing is clean and easy to deal with.
Fully internal, clean, and rattle free - at least in my experience.

Cable Routing: Revel is using full-length carbon tubes that are molded inside the carbon frame for cable routing. Everything is tight to eliminate cable rattle and there are no disjointed segments, so threading cables and hoses in is an easy process.

Chain Guide: Revel has integrated its own chain guide on the bike. It's designed to work best with SRAM's DUB system.

Down Tube Guard: Revel's downtube guard is robust and cleanly integrated into the design of the bike.

Water Bottle Mount: It should be a given but companies are still missing the mark on this. Revel, fortunately, didn't and you can stash a water bottle on the frame.



Geometry / Kinematics

Revel made the Rail to be fairly progressive, but not quite as over the top as we've seen with some bikes. It's well suited to what I would consider heavy duty technical trail riding and would be equally at home lining up at any enduro race or spending a week, in a bike park. The bike, with 165mm of travel in the back and 170mm up front, has a 65-degree head tube angle and a 75-degree seat tube angle. While it's most comfortable pointed downhill, the Rail doesn't shy away from finding its way to the top of the hill either.

The reach on the size medium is 450mm. This isn't the longest reach out there on a size medium, but in no way would I call it conservative. The bike has 430mm chainstays and the wheelbase is 1208mm. Another notable number that everyone is asking about these days is fork offset and the Rail uses 46mm.

As far as suspension kinematics go, the Rail has a relatively progressive leverage ratio. It starts at 2.85 and then drops to 2.35 at the end of the travel. The shock ramps up a lot at the end to prevent bottom out, but is soft off of the top for a lot of small-bump compliance. Revel say that they wanted the bike to feel good in the top of the travel and still not hit hard at the end.

The goal with designing the bike was to have really good active braking forces. It has a near 100% anti-rise number, which they claim, ensures that braking doesn't affect the suspension at all. This is a tricky number to gather, but the curve is smooth and theoretically the braking is nice and separate from the suspension.

The CBF system ensures the drive forces are perpendicular to the axle path and the instant center at all points in the travel, not just at sag, like a lot of suspension bikes.



We hear a lot about anti-squat and companies love to tout that number because people ask for it. I feel that a lot of people probably have no idea what it even means beyond that they want a bike that has "good anti-squat." It's a lot easier to understand when you couple it with the less talked about term of "anti-rise."

Squat is the amount your suspension squats down when you're pedaling. The more anti-squat (less squatting) a bike has, the more efficient it can be in pedaling. Rise, for the purpose of this discussion, is the association of suspension moving with braking. The more anti-rise the bike has, the less the suspension is influenced by braking forces. It's that simple, but at the same time, assessing those functions can be very complicated.





At this point, I'm one of the only people outside of Revel to have spent any measurable time on the bike. Thankfully, there was no ridiculous media launch, the bike simply showed up at my house and I spent some time on the phone with the folks at Revel dialing in the setup, then went out to ride trails I am familiar with (other brands take note.)

Revel will send you the bike in an EVOC bag, and if you want to keep the bag, there's a rate for that. If you don't want it, you can send it back with the call tag provided. One thing's for certain - building a bike up that's stashed in an EVOC bag and otherwise already assembled and tuned is a painless, and pleasant process.

I've had several days riding the Rail at home in Western North Carolina, as well as a day in Phoenix, riding trails that are the complete opposite of the wet, root infested, and slippery trails back home. Two contrasting environments and one bike. I didn't change the setup at all between the two places. At home, with record rainfall, everything was extra slippery but, while in Phoenix, the trails were in pristine condition.

PC Mangler
Daniel Sapp
Location: Brevard, NC, USA
Age: 31
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 150 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @d_sapp1



Climbing: Most bikes, even longer travel enduro bikes, climb pretty darn well these days. There's no point in turning to cliches to help describe how it does what it does, but I can't exaggerate enough how much traction the Rail maintains while pointed uphill.

The bike still feels like an enduro bike with its appropriately long reach and parts spec. It pedals up consistent grades just as I would have expected it to. It doesn't sink into its travel too much or get a ton of pedal feedback. No, the seat tube isn't as steep as my Yeti SB130, but I'm in a good position to put power down and it doesn't feel overly slack either. It's personally not going to be my choice for overly long rides that I'd usually bring a shorter travel rig on - it's still a big bike - but it'll motor where you want it to go.

Where this bike really started to get me thinking (and still has me raising an eyebrow), is going up technical sections of trail. There's nothing that I've had an issue getting up because of traction. If there was a bit of trail that stumped me, it was all lack of horsepower on my end. I've found myself time and time again not losing traction in places I have consistently slipped or spun in the past. I'm not saying I'm "just getting through" these bits of trail. I'm having zero rear wheel slippage whether seated or standing. It's a different experience than most any other bike I've ridden and in a cool way.

The front end stays planted, but is easy to get off the ground in tight spots where I need to pivot the bike. The suspension stays active when pedaling up, but there's not much bob or squat to be found. I hesitate to draw a sweeping conclusion, but it's one of the most capable climbing bikes I've ridden and I've reinforced that thought every time I've ridden the bike.



Descending

Descending is what this bike is obviously catered towards, so after a shakedown lap, I cruised up to the Bennett Gap trail for a good beating. The trail has a 45 minute sustained road climb and then an aggressive and violent high-speed descent, littered with rocks, roots, drops, hucks, short punchy climbs - you name it. It's the trail I've always felt is going to be where a bike will fail.

Right off the bat, the suspension feels plush and supported. Popping off of rocks and roots, the bike soaks up small and big impacts while staying composed. It feels best riding it in the center and really opening it up. Yet, when it comes to tight and technical sections of trail or slower speeds, everything feels confident and planted. I don't feel as if I'm getting hung up and the rear end sticks to the ground where it needs to. Braking is consistent and predictable and slowing down in chop and chatter is not upsetting to the suspension, or me. The bike tracks where you put it and it feels balanced when ridden in the center. It's comfortable and also quiet, save for the i9 hubs.

Bikes can be tricky to get dialed in, but I didn't have any struggles with this one and I've really been having a good time riding it. I've by no means put in enough time to give more than a first look, but it's definitely one of those cases where I know that there's a lot of good stuff happening on this bike and I'm stoked to be able to ride it more.

First Impressions:

The team at Revel is onto something and whatever sorcery they've done with the Rail makes it a really unique ride. Just looking at the bike in person, it's clear that a high level of thought, design, and care went into the construction of the Rail. A lot of times, a good looking bike doesn't translate into a great ride, but with the Rail, this is not the case. The bike's performance, both up and down, is simply incredible. A lot of people are launching bike brands and it’s refreshing to see one where the founders did their homework and got it right. Well done.








211 Comments

  • + 189
 I'm really loving how some of the smaller bike companies, such as Guerrilla Gravity and Revel, are out-pricing the big brand-name competition.
  • + 83
 Colorado is killing it. Smile
  • + 6
 Why do companies send an image and geo numbers together. I get wanting to have the visual but couldn't the send the frame sketch with measurement key and then send the size chart in an .csv format or something so it's easy for a site print those numbers in an easy to read format??
  • - 97
flag NYShred (Feb 28, 2019 at 12:08) (Below Threshold)
 Ummm $5k-9k for a plastic bike isn't out-pricing anyone

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For $9k I get:

2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee - $2,000
2007 Coachmen Trailer Camper that sleeps 7 - $3,000
2012 Kawasaki KX250 - $1,000
5 night stay in Negril Jamaica with your mom - $1,000
2018 Canonndale Habit Alu - $2,000

For $9k you get:

One plastic bike
  • + 124
 @NYShred: nothing like having a Jeep with 350,000 miles on it, a Cannondale, and a dirt bike that doesn't run!! Dumbass.
  • - 61
flag NYShred (Feb 28, 2019 at 12:33) (Below Threshold)
 @nickyp132: I understand you're upset that we're not taking you to Negril with us, but that's not how to behave like an adult. Go take a time out and we'll discuss your potty mouth when we get back.
  • + 91
 @NYShred: Go back to your beet farm Dwight, you'll never have Pam.
  • + 12
 @NYShred @nickyp132 : right?! behave like an adult and just come back at him/her with another "your mom" joke!

also, its a nice bike
  • + 10
 They can piss someone off by naming the model as Chaos.
  • + 7
 I'ts nice indeed, but pretty much entirely down to their "direct to consumer" sales model. The savings you get by skipping the dealer network are so huge that even small boutique brands can outprice the big names. We have seen it in Europe for the past decade.

If volume direct sales brands gain more traction in the US they should be outpricing everything else by even bigger margins.
  • + 13
 @yetidj321: Dwight should have ended up with Isabel and not Angela. Don't @ me.
  • + 3
 @NYShred:
Do you leave the kx250 wherever you drop it in the desert when your done?
Smile
  • + 16
 @NYShred: calling carbon fiber “plastic” is like calling aluminum “iron”.
  • + 11
 I wonder what kind of buyer they are targeting? Mature buyers will obviously be buying the Eminent...
  • + 18
 @mikeyrides: No, plastic polymer resins are actually a main component in carbon fiber frames. Aluminum doesn't contain iron. Next analogy, please.
  • - 7
flag Cool-and-Good (Feb 28, 2019 at 15:38) (Below Threshold)
 @NYShred: cannondale habit is a turd
  • + 8
 @Cool-and-Good: Obviously you do not understand bro god Rat Boy rides Cannondale now, so they are therefore the coolest bike around, lefty shock or not. Not sure what carbon did to @NYshred’s family, but it must have been tragic, considering his comments on any review that has anything to do with a carbon bike.
  • + 9
 @nickyp132: I think you're completely missing @NYShred 's point... I think everyone downvoting him is too. I know I'd rather have all those things(except your mom, I'd preferably have something that's seen less miles) and be able to go out and ride, than pay $9k on 1 bike and have no way to get to my trails.
  • + 0
 @spankthewan: yes, there’s plastic in it, but that’s not what gives it it strength. Calling it “plastic” in the context that you use sounds like you have a bias due to a carbon frame or component that broke. The reality is that aluminum frames and components fail too. My analogy was meant to point out that there’s much more to CF than plastic. Calling it plastic makes you sound angry and uneducated.
  • + 6
 @spankthewan: actually if you did you research on material composition properly you would know that there is iron in aluminum. The most aluminum used in bikes is a6061-t6 as it is weldable. Only Pole uses a7075. Making them an exception. Even your literal comeback to counter @mikeyrides failed. Google first, please.
  • + 3
 @Happypanda1337: I think Banshee uses 7075 as well. It's a shame they're not bigger than they deserve to be.
  • + 2
 @NYShred: haha a KX250 for a $1000 and a blown motor for free! Gotta love Craigslist!
  • + 1
 @NYShred: it’s pretty fair pricing, and as an adult $5k for a bike (that you’ll have for years) shouldn’t break the bank. If the price is too much that’s fine, then buy cheaper. But to the rest of us that’s pretty on point for affordable.
  • + 2
 @NYShred: Your analogies are ludicrous! Why the fark would u even look at an 03 Cherokee... Pick ur damn game up son!
  • + 5
 @TheR: Its simple.. The man doesn't make enough coin so he comes up with reasons to trash... See it all the time round these parts.
  • + 2
 @muyguapa: Banshees are welded, so they aren't 7075.
  • + 0
 @Happypanda1337: Actually, iron is an impurity in 6xxx and 7xxx series aluminum alloys. It is not intentionally added, and it's only permitted below a certain, low percentage. I'll correct myself; there is a negligible amount of iron in bicycle frames. I stand by my original comment regarding the bad analogy.
  • + 2
 @kookseverywhere: You can't tell me who to @, this is the wild west...but I agree, Angela was toxic and only deserves her cats. Deep down I just wish Dwight could find happiness.
  • + 2
 @dthomp325: Yeah, my mistake. After your comment I went to look. Seems they use 7005 T6, whatever that means.
  • + 1
 @muyguapa: 7005 is the second most commonly used alloy for bike frames after 6061. 7005 is slightly stronger, but the main difference between the two is in curing/heat treating methods. From what i heard 6061 is better for fast high-volume factory production, while 7005 is more practical for small quantities.
  • + 1
 @NYShred: hahaha with his mom. Classic
  • + 1
 @NYShred: hahahahaha why the down votes...
  • + 0
 @mikeyrides: is it?
  • + 67
 "where he worked with Dave Weagle and Jason Schiers to create the wild looking linkage fork that Levy has riding back and forth to Tim Hortons." *zing*
  • + 11
 I was going to post the same things. Shots fired from Sapp. Likely very true shots but shots nonetheless.
  • + 38
 How else do you test if a product is ready for the Canadian market though?
  • + 2
 Snowy in Squamish so there’s nowhere for Levy to ride here.
  • + 1
 Hahaha zing indeed
  • + 1
 @OriginalDonk: How does that song go? "Shots shots shots shots shots at Mike Levy" err...
  • + 34
 Daniel Sapp's profile picture makes me think there is a blood-soaked machete in his right hand
  • + 5
 I picture him saying "Squeal like a piggy".
  • + 2
 I always think whats he looking at? Its just so akward for some reason
  • + 1
 So true ????
  • + 34
 I feel sorry for the guy in the photo without a dog. He looks so lonely.
  • + 7
 Well, he has good company. There are three guys there without dogs....
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny: I'm counting 5 dog heads, and 6 and a half human head ... would not like to be the guy with no dog AND hidden behind a dog Wink
  • + 20
 "Revel will send you the bike in an EVOC bag, and if you want to keep the bag, there's a rate for that. If you don't want it, you can send it back with the call tag provided."

Do you realize how much cardboard is saved that way?

There is literally a mountain of cardboard behind all the bike shops I know...
  • + 22
 The interesting question is how many (fossil fuel powered) return trips does it take until the plastic + metal Evoc bag has a lower environmental impact than one-way cardboard?

Shipping in an Evoc and offering to sell it creates another potential revenue stream for Revel, though. Dressing up ways of making money in eco-friendly marketing is a popular trick.
  • + 10
 My guess is that most people will just keep it. It is probably cheaper than having to buy the bag separate and the big evoc logo make you look cool when you're lugging your luggage. Even if you don't need it, there is probably a friend who may want to buy it from you. The cardboard boxes cost Revel money too and they get nothing for them in return.
  • + 3
 @vinay: when you buy a YT or Canyon, you also have to pay for the cardboard box. If they did evoc bags at cost +10% literally everyone would take that option
  • + 2
 Yeah I definitely would of ponied up for an evoc if my last bike was delivered like that. Especially since I know the bike will fit and I can see how to pack it. Granted I did only buy a frame
  • + 1
 @jaame: for a season maybe. But how many boxes do you need? Not a sustainable solution.
  • + 1
 @makripper: true. I guess if you buy two together, or a new bike every year you would prefer cardboard. At least you can use one to make a castle for your kids
  • + 3
 @Ttimer: Well considering the cardboard ends up being recycled on the other side of the planet so by reusing a bag and shipping it not as far your end up with considerable environmental savings
  • + 17
 I imagine Levy riding his dentist bike back and forth to Tim Hortons, thus necessitating another trip to the dentist. The dentist sees the bike, can't live without it, and the cycle begins anew.
  • + 18
 I would definitely like to try that bike it ticks all the boxes for me, at least from what I'm reading. Serious contender for my next bike.
  • + 4
 I was thinking the same-
  • + 7
 Its not surprising that a bike with CBf suspension is impressive. ... its very wizardry how efficient and active shile climbing and supportive while descending.
  • + 1
 I agree, although I think I'm gonna go with a Rascal, at the risk of sounding less serious when I talk about my bike, but damn, sick looking bikes all around
  • + 15
 I thought the shock was purple, judging by the first picture. Got my hopes up.
  • + 1
 Same!!
  • + 13
 Cable routing crossing under the BB looks like a mess! Other than that, the bike looks nice.
  • + 5
 Never mind how it looks, it's a ticking time bomb!
  • + 8
 I've seen many under BB cables get damaged... a big negative for me.
  • + 6
 Why is it crossed?
  • + 3
 yep if i had to be on that bike i would be thinking of cable shielding
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: To double the chance of getting into tire thread I guess!
  • + 1
 I was really liking this bike until I saw the cables running crisscrossed under the BB. Other wise it seems like a really nice bike. Seeing as these guys are just over the hill from me. I’m definitely going to go ride one as soon as I can. If I like it enough to buy one I’ll come up with a guard.
  • + 0
 Yep the X- over looks vulnerable.
  • + 9
 @endlessblockades: There were so many mounts under the downtube, they could have crossed there. That said, this is just a 2d picture of the bike from underneath. Look at a picture of a Rocky Mountain trail bike from the side. Because the cable and hose don't cross, they need to dangle quite low to provide enough slack for the suspension to move. Crossing them provides more length hence also more play without having to hang that low. I know I risk ending up in a graphic discussion here where I may never get my point across. Let me put it like this. If it would have transfered straight from the front to the rear triangle without crossing, both hose and cable would be shorter than what you have now. But you'd still need the same extra length (more or less) to provide the slack. So that would add a larger percentage of length and cause it to hang lower when the suspension is extended. And as it is some kind of Maestro/DWlink variation where the front and rear triangle don't share a pivot, they really need the slack. They can't neatly guide the hose and cable next to the pivot to remove the need for slack.

That said, yeah my first reaction was also that the tire knobbies may catch them but I don't think it is possible. They hang a whole lot lower than the tire. The trickiest bit for the home mechanic would be to install fresh cables and/or hoses and make the exact correct length to not jank them as the suspension compresses nor get them too close to the tire.
  • + 3
 seems like it could use an organizer/protector of sorts but def not deal killer.
wondering if the chain guide will limit chainrings sizes, especially ovals?
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: Does one have to route them in an X there or could they go straight?
  • + 3
 I’m guessing the internal routing crosses in the downtube so if you run rear brake on the right you’ll have to cross them at the bb like the pics but for people that run them the “correct way” we’ll be able to run them without crossing at bb. Hopefully that works and looks better!
  • + 1
 Eagle wireless...crossover problem solved but you still have the brake cable down there.
  • + 0
 @Snowytrail: its not all about the crossover , it's about the damage.
I can not understand why some manufacturers route them this way. On top of the BB and chainstays makes more sense every time to me.
  • + 1
 @Serpentras: A combination of aesthetics and no real technical alternative. The translational rather than rotational movement of the rear triangle (due to the dual link) probably makes any other internal routing configuration non viable. Just a guess.
  • + 0
 @BenPea: the Nomad got it way better and it got a dual link. For me it shows only that they really not think about everything. I did saw one guy crashing because his hydraulic hose got smacked by a rock who was send flying from his front wheel. I had numerous rock's flying around like that. I don't want to loose my rear brake because of this flaw.
  • + 3
 @Serpentras: I agree, the Nomad does it better, but the other side of the problem is aesthetics, and exposed cables are a no-no for some designers/buyers, even if it means compromised routing.
  • + 0
 @BenPea: and that is what seperates great designes from avarage. This whole carbon layup they talk about is just nothing because of this flawed design. Function above form everyday. If both can be combined it is excellent .
  • + 9
 So has the author riden a balance? Is this just a slightly lighter, lower, longer version? Need this comparison! I rode a Balance and fell in love. Waited for new model release and it never came. Had two bikes since then, always dreaming of a Balance.
  • - 2
 I rode a balance. Loved it, bought one and warrantied it 3 times. It rode fine, but after I got pissed and got my money back, I got a stopgap,used Spicy team off of eBay that ended up riding far better.
  • + 7
 Just wanted to point out how well written of an article this is. I've noticed recently that bike reviews and impressions from many outlets have become monotonous and boring almost, but this article was really really good for a change. Interesting look at the company's roots? check. Honest and in depth first impression of a bike without using nothing but buzz words and cliches? check. Writer who seems to have a sense of humor and the ability to thrash a bike? check. Bravo to Sapp on this article.
  • + 6
 There's a saturated market alrighty. Certainly takes some essence from; Ibis Ripmo, Cannondale Habit, Specialized Camber, Santa Cruz Hightower, Yeti SB150, etc.... We've reached a point in this cycling world, we have at current technology the most diverse bikes on the market and can basically have any time of bike for any type of riding, so sick! I remember growing up as adolescent teen and there being only like " Dh, Xc, Enduro and slopestyle" kind of bikes. We are really living in the best time to ride a bike!
  • + 2
 And suspension-wise a banshee rune, Canfield Jedi, and pivot.
  • + 11
 @cuban-b: i mean suspension wise, i would say its pretty similar to a canfield balance...
  • + 2
 @adrennan: if it rides the same, this bike is a winner.. i do see an additional link/pivot as the balance has the triagle actuating the shock directly.
  • + 8
 If you're going to put dedicated internal cable runs in the lay up please consider anyone who appreciates neat cables and wants to run their rear brake on the left.
  • + 1
 Why can’t you run you rear brake on the left?
  • + 1
 @mangoe5: There's only allowance for one cable exiting on the drive side of the frame. Yes, it can be brought out on the non drive side, but it won't look great and will probably rub against the head tube.
  • + 1
 yeah that’s the same as my nomad but it’s not actually that bad and with frame skin a little rub is fine. Plus we won’t have to have the cables cross back over at the bb like in the pics...
  • + 1
 @mangoe5: There are a lot of frames like it. it's just a bit of a bugbear for me. My OCD prefers to see cables exiting on the opposite side to where they're mounted on the bars.
  • + 3
 @mangoe5: why’s everyone making an issue of this non problem cable crossing thing?
  • + 1
 doesnt both me too much otherwise wouldn’t of ordered one... prefer the cables didn’t cross though, they’ll be further from the tyre that way, plus rocks won’t strike them off the tyre as much, just the frame Wink
  • + 6
 I’ve been waiting for an updated Canfield Balance for a couple years. My 2016 Balance has the best rear suspension I have ever ridden, by far. You get zero hype from Canfield Brothers designs, their suspension engineering is second to none.
This bike looks to be exactly the geometry refresh the Balance needed.
Now I dont know what to do, keep waiting or buy this thing, Dammn it!
  • + 6
 Sounds like these folks are doing carbon right. The whole thing that makes carbon valuable is that the layups can be oriented so that most of the fibers run in the same direction as the load. Companies that use the same layup for the whole frame might as well have just used aluminum.
  • + 2
 @pacificnorthwet maybe aluminum is the right material choice. Or another isotopic material.
  • + 7
 Fuck yes!!! These bikes are unreal, and Revel is going to blow up like no other. Solid group of dudes who just love bikes, and are onto something revolutionary.
  • + 6
 finaly a carbon riot!
  • + 5
 Everyone loves choice, a new company with a well thought out design is refreshing, the price points for such a high level bike should be applauded, taking it to the big boys, well done.
  • + 6
 Yeah South Mountain! Wish we could ride in short sleeves and knee pads right now. Mountain West has been crushed with snow. Love the color of this bike BTW.
  • + 3
 Very interesting. Finally a bike with decent reach and low seat post height for me. Smalls are always too small with 400mm reach, but mediums normally have these stupid 420-430mm seat post lengths which is too tall for my liking. This bike fits perfect with a 386mm seatpost and 430mm reach for me at the small. And even slacked, the medium with a 416mm seatpost length and 450mm reach is still a nice option!
  • + 2
 Same here. I'm 5'6"ish and always between sizes. I fit the small in the Revel bikes pretty well.
  • + 2
 @tacklingdummy: me too. 5'7" with shoes. But short arms and legs. 28" pant leg.
  • + 6
 So... I guess we won’t be seeing new bikes built by Canfield
any time soon.
  • + 2
 Had the same thought.. but there have been some leaks of a carbon Riot that they've been testing..
  • + 5
 Geometry for both Rail and Rascal...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/revel-rail-2019
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/revel-rascal-2019

Rascal looks just the ticket.
  • + 3
 150 36 on Rascal.. & Game On!
  • + 3
 At what point does supply/demand cause prices to drop? I'm not ragging on Revel...Of course they will price the bikes with the rest of the industry but as mentioned in the write up a new brand pops up everyday....seems like there would be a gluten of bikes at some point....Or maybe people are getting so smart and data so reliable that surplus is becoming a thing of the past? Fkn humans, always wanting to get better at stuff.

These bikes look great....
  • + 2
 "The more anti-rise the bike has, the less the suspension is influenced by braking forces."

Incorrect. Anybody with a copy of linkage can come to this conclusion in 20 seconds. Load a single pivot and take a look. now load something with a more parallelogram looking suspension. A Transition Patrol (being a bike most can visualize) is around 40-50% (varies throughout stroke).

100% anti-rise means it acts like a single pivot while braking. An easy way to tell how much a bike will behave like a single pivot while braking is to look how close the two attachment points on the front triangle are. The closer they are together, until in theory they become the same point, the more the suspension will behave like a single pivot. Visualize this suspension in motion with the front triangle static, the links and swinglarm will approximately pivot around the front pivot of the lower link.
  • + 4
 Laminate construction 2.0 aka the way every other industry designs composite components....putting fibers in load paths has been standard in aerospace for decades
  • + 2
 Kudos for jumping into the fray with a pretty good looking first effort. Not crazy about the criss/crossing cables behind the BB and right in front of the rear tire. Looks like a good place for mud and sticks to catch. So is Chris Canfield just licensing his suspension design or is he a owner/stake holder in the company?
  • + 6
 That's a pretty stacked engineering team
  • + 2
 As a nerdy engineer I always thought CBF had the best design of any but was unwilling to endure the Canfield weight penalty as their frames are somewhat portly. This looks to check all the boxes. Concerned about the proprietary chain guide though...So does it work with non DUB?, Can I use a proven One Up guide instead or is there linkage interference?

All that said, they lose a lot of credibility for me with Schiers involvement. More carbon charlatan than crabon guru.
  • + 3
 @tcmtnbikr don’t know anything about Shiers but from reading the above article I would say i agree with you. He mentions companies stick with 0/45/90 degree plies cause it makes it balanced but you can make a balanced laminate with any angle as long as the laminate has same thickness and material and equal amount of +/- angles. Also his comment about hoop stress to compat impact damage. If laminate sequence is the only parameter to increase impact resistance, making a biased laminate towards the hoop direction will not be very effective. Would want something more quasi isotopic.
  • + 3
 I love reading the comments. All of the suspension experts and "cup half-empty" people come out of the wood work. So many experts, and yet they aren't launching any companies or designs. Weird.
  • + 2
 Between the aesthetics, geometry numbers, the proven suspension engineering and what the 2 models being offered have (wheel size & travel) this looks impressive. The competition though from so many established brands and models. Wow. The business case for this leaves a number of steps that have to be done to perfection just to be financially viable - hats off the obviously passionate people involved.
  • + 5
 Really Sweet Blend of Bike ~ I’m seeing bits of..how should i say.. “Everything in one bike” ;+P Very Cool
  • + 1
 Would have liked to see the chainstays shorter but my main requirement for next bike is coil shock. Air can service intervals are more than I'd like to do these days. I don't mind the once a year rebuild but I just want to lube up the chain and ride. This linkage coil friendly?
  • + 1
 I asked, and no is not coil friendly.
  • + 2
 Awesome that they're launching a new bike brand today. Not awesome that there are no links to a website in any of the articles or that it shows up on Google. Would be fun to dive more into paint colors, build kits etc...
  • + 3
 Which size did was tested by Daniel? At 5'10" I suppose he could go 2 ways. He does not look either reaching long or cramped in the pics.
Cheers,
  • + 7
 I’m on a medium. It fit about perfect. I’d say that’s consistent thru all brands.

Cheers
  • + 4
 Anyone else think the cactus looks like it's flipping Daniel off or is it just me?
  • + 3
 Had a canfield one a few years ago. 64° ha, 8 inches of travel long wheelbase enduro bike. It climbed extremely well. Ahead of its time
  • + 3
 That's a really nice bike.

The 29er trail version would be on my very short list if I were looking right now.

Great job on the suspension design (among other things)!
  • + 1
 I hate everything...It looks just like...Pun... There, know everyone can save their carpal tunnel for another article. I'd be willing to bet this thing rides nothing like a Jeffsy or Cannondale or Polygon or whatever else you think it looks like.
  • + 11
 I hate that I can't edit my typos. BTW, Carbon rims suck unless they're the ones I own.
  • + 3
 Looks like a meh-ssion?
  • + 1
 @BenPea: I thought it looked a lot like a Jeffsy until I saw the extra linkage below the upper pivot
  • + 4
 @Poulsbojohnny: A Jeffsy and a Pivot had a one-night stand after drinking too much Caribbean mist.
  • + 1
 But there is some truth in that... With them harping on about frame "design" and how their designer has "unique" designs, you've gotta admit... It's a pretty generic looking frame. Without really looking at them, I wouldn't be able to pick out this frame against a sea of similar-looking bikes that are coming out across the brands...
  • + 3
 And the scores are in from the new brand playoffs..... Eminemt Haste-Nil Revel Rail-Several thousand Fairly conclusive there......now over to the weather.
  • + 4
 these look rad. can the 29er take a 150 fork?

also , they do an option with Enve wheels... shall I mention it ... or?
  • + 7
 too soon man. too soon.
  • + 2
 I wonder if there are any aluminum frame plans???

Remember when people came out with aluminum bikes and people wanted carbon versions? Those were the days.
  • + 0
 I always wonder why any bike designer would route a brake hose under the BB. If there is anywhere where a rock impact can take your hose out there isn't a more likely place. What is wrong with routing over the top, then inside of the chainstay?

This is a big mistake on an otherwise nice looking bike.
  • + 2
 Can someone please enlighten me as to why "frame compliance" is a big deal on a full suspension bike? Maybe on a road bike; but on a full suspension MTB?
  • + 1
 Because some people ride harder and weigh more than others. If it doesn't flex and its taken to a limit with no compliance, it snaps.
  • + 3
 I bet Jason Schiers called and complained about his name only being mentioned 11 times.
  • + 2
 I have to say I had a chance to ride this bike and it was a beautiful machine comparatively to my experience upon a Yeti. Very little pedal bob and highly active suspension.
  • + 1
 Looks like a well dialled bike. Be interested to see how it compares to others in the category. Slayer, Enduro, Patrol, Orbea Rallon. Quite the buyers market for long travel enduro bikes now. So many good options.
  • + 3
 Is that.. Is that cactus flipping us off?
  • + 2
 Can't wait to go ride one..fortunately their headquarters is about 45 minutes away.
  • + 8
 Stop by any time! (well, after all the snow melts)
  • + 3
 @RevelBikes: Mushroom was rideable around March 20 last year. Might be a few weeks later this year.
  • + 1
 Great looking bike. Wondering how the suspension forces change when I put on a 28T or 30T front chainring so that I can climb mountains?
  • + 1
 The suspension platform sounds quite good. Improvements in climbing traction plus you get great handling bike downhills. This bike definitely moved to my wish list.
  • + 1
 How were the EXO+ casings? I mean, compared to a DD.

I wouldn't mind dropping 100g of tire weight but I have to still be able to smash rocks with impunity.
  • + 3
 Cool name for a bike. Enve should call its next wheelset the Fail.
  • + 5
 with the name of the company (and look of the logo) i was half expecting to see semenuk on it.
  • + 3
 Uh a carbon fiber Canfield bike would be great
  • + 2
 Chris Canfield has some shots of a carbon balance on his Instagram, looks pretty slicks too.
  • + 6
 @Beez177: i had seen the carbon riot (or i suppose toir) before. either way i am stoked that thecanfield linkage lives on.
  • + 1
 Looks rad and the colour reminded me to brush my teeth before i head out to work.
  • - 2
 The fancy layup sounds awesome. I would totally believe it offered benefits if done correctly. And by that I mean done by someone in Oxfordshire who was making £100,000 a year. Trusting a factory worker in the far East who really doesn't care if the fibres are aligned at 110 degrees or 130, and to be honest doesn't really know the difference or how to measure it, because she wasn't really listening to that part when they "trained" her, because she got a notification on her phone at that time, is another thing.
Are these bikes made in America?
  • + 2
 I think this might be my new dream bike. Might even beat the Unno.
  • + 1
 Tl;dr
Another turquoise long, lack and low "shredder" that climbs better than I expected.
  • + 2
 Good looking bike, I'll take mine in black please.
  • + 2
 Thats a good looking bike!
  • + 2
 Those pic's. I really miss riding South Mountain 4 days a week.
  • + 1
 It's so nice to see a bike with a short seat tube and relatively 'normal' geometry numbers.
  • + 1
 Looks nice then you see that cable routing under the BB.. Oh come on you've ruined it on one little thing.
  • + 0
 When I saw the brand name I assumed it was something to do with ex BMX racer Anthony Revell, who already has his own bike company....

www.revellbicycles.com
  • + 2
 those color matched linkages look sweeet
  • + 2
 Nice description of Bennett Gap, gnarly trail indeed.
  • + 1
 Not coil shock friendly I am guessing?
  • - 3
 When I first read the post, I was like yeah, the Bros are back!

Then I read the review and looked at the frame stats and yeah, in a sense a Bro is back, but sadly the new “team” left some of the Canfield qualities in the bag.

Seriously, 430mm chain stays, WTF!

I don’t see a lot of Riot owners biting on this plastic dog toy.

I’m so glad Guerilla Gravity is around to take up the slack.
  • + 1
 What's Dirty's affiliation with Revel?
  • + 0
 Where are these carbon frames made? China? Taiwan? I didn't see any mention of this...
  • + 1
 Kinda curious.......does it make a difference? Serious question. I know you've been in the industry for a while, so I figure you have some insight.
  • + 1
 Is it going to pedel better than my Pivot firebird 275?
  • + 1
 Suspension Kinematic Video, or it did not happen!
  • + 1
 Suspension design looks like CBF and FSR had a baby.
  • + 2
 Or it looks exactly like a DW and nothing like an FSR
  • + 1
 @englertracing: Or the yolk of an FSR and the wishbone/parallel links of CBF... to each their own
  • + 1
 A big dirt pocket, that lower link design
  • + 1
 Looks kinda like a Meta. Not a bad thing! Would love to have a rip on one.
  • + 1
 I need to get back to Phoenix for some rides.
  • + 1
 I could live without that cable routing.
  • + 1
 Painted linkage looks amazing
  • + 1
 Now this looks like a bike with "more engineering", but I digress.
  • + 0
 Where are the frames manufactured?
  • + 0
 Dirty Biker from Drunk Cyclist?
  • - 1
 Alloy version coming soon? Or maybe never?
  • + 3
 AL for the win.
  • + 0
 Very original looking.
  • - 2
 Megh'
  • - 2
 #LooksLikeaSpectral
  • - 2
 Suspect review...
  • - 1
 Looks like a Yeti
  • - 2
 You lost me at 'theoretical position.'
  • - 3
 Still don't understand the $3k difference in price between their top build and YT's top build...
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