13 Bikes From Core Bike Show 2017

 to anyone attaching a bag to a post like this. Do NOT overload that bag. It'll bend the bejeezis outta that post. One bent Thompson to prove it (not a dropper thankfully)

 The minions help it look way more badass that most other fat bikes in my opinion

 if your riding in snow wouldnt the water bottle freeze???

 @stefanfresh: just add a few drops of antifreeze. Problem solved.

 @scjeremy: top comment of the year so far!

 @stefanfresh: I was doing a fat bike race with one-hour laps. We used hot water, and Polar bottles, and I made it through each lap without them freezing.

 so functional!! love it !!

 @conv3rt: and would the front pannier not hit the tyre??

 @scjeremy: Vodka doesn't freeze.

 @LittleDominic: Beat me to it. Spike with booze : )

 @nojzilla: yeah it looks like it might. My guess is the showroom version wouldn't pass a proper adventure rider's scrutiny. Not that I am one but those guys normally think pretty long and hard about gear and set up. Nobody wants a serious problem at kilometer 150 of a long trip, or whatever.

 @stefanfresh: whiskey

 true...true...

 clone post

 @conv3rt: Really,how much did you put in that bag.I've been running a command post with a seatbag like on the Kona for 3 seasons zero problem.I weigh 220lbs.

 @rideonjon: hey there, it actually wasn't my bag but it was a post I leant to a friend for his adventure. Not too sure the exact weight but he made no attempt to deny or shy away from making it up to me. Point being, there is a limit and it might be lower than you think. Good to double check. It bent at the bottom of the carrier clamp and the post deformed to the shape of the clamp. luckily it stayed bent and didn't break, so he could finish his trip.

 @stefanfresh: Just fill it with vodka!

 @LittleDominic: vodka actually can but the freezing point is so cold it won't happen in everyday life

 @conv3rt: Wow i'm very surprised,he must be a big guy.I can't imagine one of these bags being able to carry more than 25lbs and riders weight can vary considerably more than that.

 Yes

 What forks are these? They look cool.

 Alright, just figured it out. The forks are new from Fatlab.

 @conv3rt: I don't think you could drop that post without the bag hitting the tire either...

 @TucsonDon: FYI hot water freezes faster than cold water. #science

 @rideonjon: looking closer at this bag design it looks like the seat post connection is Velcro which should let go before it overweight's it. My buddy, a light guy, had a seat bag that clamped onto the seattube only. Overweighting it would have a much worse outcome.

@the-dean: maybe. I think the seat strap might stop you before letting you get too low. I'm no expert on these by the way. My rides almost never go more that a few hours.

 @EastCoastDHer: only under some very rare conditions

 @stefanfresh: A fatbike could also be a good choice for someone traveling through very loose sand, gravel etc. But for all riding where a fatbike is ideal, I'd use a bottle with a cap if I'd have to mount it that low. If freezing is a concern, a waterbladder in the backpack might be a better choice.

 @vinay: what if the water in the backpack froze and then ur stuck with a lump of ice on your back? ; ) It was just a thought when I saw it, nothing else

 @stefanfresh: This never happened to me so I'm not sure if this is likely in more extreme conditions. Probably also depends on the type of bag. Some are designed to fit under your shirt, some are designed to fit further away to promote ventilation. Your back radiates quite some heat so it takes quite some ambient cold to freeze the pack from the other side. I don't know. At 0degC I ride in a T-shirt. If I'm riding the commuter with a one of my kids on the back seat, she often puts her hands under my shirt to warm her hands. So I suppose the heat radiated is significant. The thing most likely to freeze is the hose and the bite valve. You've got to make it a habit under these conditions to either sip regularly and/or blow some air in there so that it is not all water.

 @vinay: dude I was just being silly. I mean I guess it could happen... but yeah. I took a back pack snobaording once and the issue was with the hose as you said

 @stefanfresh: No worries. Cheers .

 @conv3rt: That makes more sence,i noticed all the new ones like that have an extra stay ataching to the frame to help support the rack,obviously there were some failures.Those racks seem prone to overloading.

 @stefanfresh: glycerine, it always worked for my rabbits' water bottles in winter.

 Pivot seems to be pretty good at that. I think they are getting better though

 It looks like pregnant fish.

 Looks like it stayed too long under the sun and started to melt...

 My big gripe with pivot has been all of their added swoopy unnecessary graphics all over the frames. This one seems to have done away with that a bit thankfully.

 @GravityCandy: bahahaha

 I rode with guys on the switchblade pictured here with 3.15 inch 27.5+ and a red 29er. I thought they looked really great...

 @FLATLlNE: Sounds like you stumbled upon an honest conversation that wasn't intended for your ears. Consider yourself lucky. The truth behind retail is often obscured under the guise of "you are all special snowflakes". If you were in their shoes, would you really prefer help a customer who only wants the best deal on a name brand and a free tune-up, or an informed shopper who wants a high quality bike and is willing to pay near full price for the latest and greatest? I think there's a reason we are looking at fancy bikes on Pinkbike instead of reading Consumer Reports

 Santa Cruz guy should help the guy looking for the Trek. So 3 years down the line when he's looking to upgrade from the Trek, maybe he will consider Santa Cruz.

 @MmmBones: in other words, store owners only care about people with money to spend. That kind of attitude could bite them in the ass: what if the customer's other bike is a $10,000 superbike, or customer is a billionaire just starting out.

 @blackthorne: I got grief from a LBS cause I shop around. I think they expect everyone to just pay for their overpriced gear without asking why they charge 10-20% more than the shop across town.
I do t go there anymore. They don't care

 @MmmBones - you mean I'm not really a special snowflake???

 @warehouse: Funny. What some shops fail to get, is you value your dollars as much as they value your dollars. Most of us only have so many to go around, so keeping them in your pocket is sorta important. If a shop can't stay competitive on price, or service to offset price differential, then inevitably they will fail - that's business. The Lbs is not entitled to jack just because they are an lbs. Create value or die.

 @FLATLlNE: Absolutely. I understand how that could sound prejudicial coming from the customers point of view, and I'm not excusing them in any way. I was pointing out that they were just saying what most shops that sell high end merchandise are thinking... "why can't it alls be ENVE wheelsets and carbon Santa Cruz's?"

 @blackthorne: You don't happen to be a WallMart greeter, do you?

 @MmmBones: ? . Do you realize that I was actually in agreement with your comment?

 @FLATLlNE: that's a fair opinion if it's true. Was it the fact they understood a Trek or Kona buyer is probably not looking to drop the sort of cash necessary to get on a Pivot, or were they just stood around bad mouthing people?

They've always been a great company to deal with in my opinion.

 @MmmBones: +1.

 @blackthorne: I was actually worried you were a communist, or that you had misconstrued me. Every good shop owner should only care about customers who have some money, that's basic business sense. Treat them all like gold and hopefully one day they will become billionaires instead of vapid margin reducers. What ifs are like farts in the wind to the conscientious business owner, sure they happen, but most often you smell shit when it's right next to you. Furthermore, it sounds like these guys were just shooting the shit and even though it came off as dick soup to dudes ears, they were probably just jerkin each other off. Spend some time around sales people and you will soon realize, that's their job, no matter how dirty it gets. They have to continually tell themselves "just keep suckin', something will come out"

 @h82crash: No, you are the MOST special snowflake.

 @FLATLlNE: I think I know who this guy is. Same guy sent people out on demo bikes without pins on the pedals, and laughed when it was brought up.

 @MmmBones: Totally! Most customers want to be able to buy those bikes as badly as a shop wants to sell them

But, in the real world, we have to make the most of what we have - that goes for both shop and customer.

 @Bustacrimes: I think that's part of it, slamming people who look for the best value for their coin and buy one of the bigger brands. They were literally complaining that these people didn't deserve their service.

And as I said, it's likely the rep doesn't represent the overall views of pivot, but it was enough to turn me off.

 @atrokz: Hilarious. Buckwallow, without pins in your pedals. I'm sure that was a great demo and whoever rode was dying to buy a Pivot after that!! Christ man. Brutal. Me, I didn't bother testing as I'm quite happy with my crap-tastic "waste of time" Kona Process 111.

 @FLATLlNE: It was at the don, but same idea. and no, it wasn't fun for me at all. returned it, got some attitude from him ("what you can't ride without pins? haha."), and ignored him to continue talking to the owner who's a super rad guy at any rate. - also a process owner.

 @atrokz: Ah! A Don rider with a Process. I suspect we know one another!

 @FLATLlNE: more than likely. I'm a regular, original builder at the DJs (from about 2002 till 2009) and been riding there for 17 years.

 So. Since my original post about the conversation I overheard, I was contacted by Pivot International Rep, Ben, via PM. Ben expressed some real concern about the incident and the impression made on me at the demo, and asked for my phone number. Not long after work, Ben gave me a buzz; he let me know he was actually at the demo, and had no idea. The short of it, is that while the guy was on the Pivot demo tour and sporting the tee, he was more than likely one of the distributors and not someone working for Pivot directly - I get the sense Ben was the only one there employed directly. Regardless, it seems this has sent ripples though Pivot, and has been circulated internally. Ben expressed to me that the folks there (Owner Chris included) were pretty disappointed at seeing my post - and as I suspected, the one bad apple did not represent overall view of the bunch. Ben really hit it home by calling personally from Arizona, with what seemed to me to be very sincere apologies over what originally left a sour taste in my mouth - and heck, I'm not even riding one of their bikes. I really wanted to post this as an addendum to my original, and I hope it gets read, as it's completely changed my perception; I've had some pretty legitimate product issues in the past along with bad service, and I've never had someone call to apologize for a seriously bad experience. If this is any indication, I suspect Pivot ACTUALLY cares, and in such a case I am actually happy to eat my own words. In this case I wish I could retract my post completely, sorry guys.

 @FLATLlNE: Some excellent customer service from Pivot, wouldn't you agree? Kudos to Ben at Pivot for taking the time to contact you. Says a lot about the company. Good to know that Pivot is listening. And, thanks for posting all of this. Its good that you took the time to expose some d-bag's behaviour and even better that Pivot took some steps to undo your bad experience.

 @CapnSlow: As someone who considers himself a stickler for good service...I'm impressed. They took it very personally, and wanted to jump in to make it right, and I'm not even an owner. A+++
I will absolutely consider them in the future. I've owned an unhealthy number of bikes/worked the shop scene, and honestly, I can only count three frame makers (previously two) who care enough to get that personal.

 

 @FLATLlNE: Ah man, that's so cool. I am really glad you've decided to post this here...they do seem like genuinely nice guys at Pivot and they always appear to care about their product.

 @MmmBones - Thanks, that's what my mom says too.

 @FLATLlNE: this goes to show that even though i would incline to agree on MmmBones, "employees" dont need to speak their mind and just do what their job description is supposed to serve

 Yes, but raw colour!? I think banshee bikes need new colours and decals as they look simple. That's the main reason I have rune stealth, all in black.

 @zenis: Loving my raw, think of it as "stealth silver"!!

www.pinkbike.com/photo/14345564

 It does indeed. However, they could use to add some of that hydroforming to the rear triangle, it's still a little too industrial compared to the front end.

 I think it's a bit overpriced compared to some other offerings here.

 @mackster23: I actually like the industrial look...to me it looks tough. I admit I have a pre-formed positive opinion based on how people rave about the spitfire and rune as incredible do-everything bikes. I probably see them through badass colored glasses.

 You. Eye doctor appointment. Now.

 ,said no one ever!

 the beauty of orange is in simplicity...

 a filing cabinet can suit an office

 @Beez177: 87 people, actually

 Same here. They have some great colourways

 @torero: guess that's true, if you have garbage rocker links

 I used to hate Orange but the look is growing on me. Simple construction + progressive geometry = something interesting

 Orange is the new black!

 like a middle aged british woman, would make great cucumber sandwiches, you just don't want to look at her too often

 I don't know how to feel but that bike got me the most excited.

 Whats up with that chainstay does it have ebola?

 @b-wicked: It just looks like it's out of the way so you don't get chain slap when it's in the smallest ring at the back

 @fercho25: I actually voted for this bike too... I'm makes me question myself.

 @b-wicked: It's for tire clearance. If the chainstay were straight, it would need to pass between the chainring and the tire. This way it goes below the chainring, giving more tire clearance or shorter chainstays or both.

 Slow clap.

 Sorry, i meant to plus you, but my big fat fingers missed on my tablet.

 this bike is brutal!

 It just looks perfect. Available in US?

 Its calling out to me. Its pulsing through my veins. Its all because of the switchblade that I have, it pivots wrong and cut my spitfire ww2 plane. Its a polygon shape, which is a hard transition. Its evil really

 @Husker2112: Knees week, palms are sweaty, vomit on my shirt, moms spaghetti.

 @chillrider199: ew

 @Husker2112: Im guessing you dont get it? Eminem? No?

 @chillrider199: oh ok.

 @chillrider199: nicely done

 @chillrider199: sweater already

 ruined it I tell thee, ruined it

 Orange has somehow made their single pivot design look clunkier than Evil's kludge.

 Thanks for sharing

 Never seen one on the trails though

 @fercho25: Welcome to the comment section where people... well, comment.

 @fercho25: thanks for thanking me

 Yes yes, Evil bikes are from Seattle so no way they can handle mud and wetness....

 @Drew-O: hahah

 @gnralized: it's still Europe... just not EU (almost)

 @gnralized: But Europe is a continent and therefore the geographical standpoint is the only correct standpoint

 @gnralized: Saying the UK isn't part of Europe anymore at this point is like saying you've got a new bike because you saw a picture you liked on pinkbike. They haven't even triggered Article 50 yet.

 @groghunter:
Maybe I confused you a bit with my answers: I'm from France, working in Canada.
You certainly know there is a long history of small griefs between Great Britain and France, and in a way or another, any French or English people will keep up the flame in a gentle way. I was just adding a little more to this heritage ;-)
So all I wrote is purely 2nd degree.

 don't get it - theres as many north American bikes as euro bikes there. and the pivot is the biggest minger!

 @gnralized: I met a German girl in England who was going to school in France, we danced the Mississippi at an Alpha Kappa dance !

 That Evil is evil

 Nukeproof nukeproof?

 Not the exact same builts, but to get an idea:
www.evo.com/mountain/transition-patrol-3-complete-bike.aspx

www.evo.com/mountain-hidden/transition-patrol-4-complete-bike.aspx#image=99371/430635/transition-patrol-4-complete-mountain-bike-2016-highlighter-yellow-side.jpg

 @MTB-Colada: Oi. Let's hope it's closer to the 4's pricing

 You are so direct. Are you sure you are Dutch?

 Like a suicide shifter on a motorcycle! I'm guessing dropper post?

 It's a slope bike. You don't need to be shifting through the gears during a run so it's better out of the way and where it's not going to restrict barspins/tailwhips.

 @el-nombre: that's right. U oick ir geat ahead of time dep on track.

 It would be easy for these companies that offer frames with downtube shifter mounts, to also offer a custom downtube shifter. Just give it a replaceable indexing ring so it can adapt to different derailleurs.

 LOL that could catch on!

 @crs-one: that would be a sweet feature

 @jrocksdh: What?

 @stumpymidget: sorry, ..u pick ur gear before u drop depending on the track.

 @crs-one: i've always dreamed of a product like "Tr!xer" but that was not only for brakes but maybe had an inner sleeve as well for shifting. does this exist? or is in development? anyone?

 @el-nombre: Interesting, I didn't know that was a thing, thanks for educating me! Makes sense from a barspin perspective, just weird looking.

 personal taste. i dont get the love for Orange bikes, but people like em

 It's not as chunky in person. A lot of the black stuff you see is flat against the frame. Certainly better visually than a front derailleur.

 @DrPete: FD for life !

 @preston67: The Eagle has landed.

 The old ones looks better IMO. Every line (Deore, SLX, XT, etc.) had their own unique style.

 You're messy and ugly looking lol

 I like how it's integrated, and looks strong. Personally the Evil is on track for my favourite bike there for a lot of reasons, hard to say.

 Gotta agree. Overall the lines are a nice mix of "graceful" and "aggressive" but the head tube bulges are an excessive gesture, and dates from the early 2000's*. Would rather see a cool head badge!

*(a bike I designed in 2001 used this knuckle head tube detail)

 Pretty sure they are on the Orange too. On the write up of the DMR yesterday there were pictures showing a bike looking the same shade of pink as Zoidberg from Futurama, turns out it's red.

 Just gone back and looked, the DMR is now red in the photos, so expect these shots to change colour soon...

 oh! whait... it's my wife

 wash your mouth out noob

 calling looks bad@ss to me

 Lol! That's a good one!

 @Maverickdh00: all those linkages look a right dog's dinner ya chopper

 maybe a little over the top looking, agreed. fairly uncomplicated relative to a lot of stuff out there. The bolting pattern for the "flip chip" and wishbones adds to the visual chaos, but doesnt really make the suspension complicated.

 @Planetx888: it's a mix of swervy trek front end and angular bmc rear end. Just doesn't look right, like 2 different bikes bolted together, a cut and shut. It's wank.