Riding The first thing I noticed before even hopping on the bike was the insanely supple first few centimeters of rear suspension travel. The bike would sag under its own weight, and needed hardly any pressure to get it moving further. On the trail, this gave incredible tracking and grip in the first part of the travel, and rolling speed down the trails seemed massive, as you can barely feel the initial hit of the bumps trying to slow you down.
On small bumps, the rear suspension really did outperform the front end, and the change to a 203mm air spring from 190mm later in testing helped to equal this out. To really equalize the performance, I think a change of fork could help to give the same incredible traction in the beginning stroke, something like a Formula Nero or the Ohlins DH38 with multiple adjustable air chambers could be tuned to give a super light initially stroke to match the rear. The 49 is a fantastic fork, but the tuneability to match this style of bike isn't quite there.
I have been waiting to try a downhill bike with a truly long chainstay length for a while now, and the Legend didn't disappoint me. Yes, sometimes it feels like a monster (and doesn't fit properly on to most ski-lift racks), but in reality, the long chainstay puts your center of gravity more into the middle of the bike. This makes weighting and steering the front easier, and the 'Holy crap my bike feels massive in this tight corner' goes away, as that is caused by being too far off the back of the bike and the light front wheel starting to get away from you. Planting the front wheel into the turns and staying central allows the back wheel to lose traction slightly and oversteer around the corners. Secondly, on fast sections and especially off-camber and flat corners, moving your body weight fore and aft is de-sensitized, making it much easier to add or subtract body weight to adjust grip between wheels as you feel the tires tracking then sliding.
On long corners the Banshee corners like a demon, too; the achievable lean angle is more than anything else on test before breakaway. Do you need to lean over more to be faster? I don't know, but it makes you feel like a king. The massive wheelbase, centralized position and low bottom bracket height are to thank for this. If those corners are rough and loose, the supple initial stroke of the suspension really keeps the wheels tracking the ground.
As suggested by Banshee, this bike does pump and generate speed better than the high-pivot DH bikes with idler wheels to generate more speed, and I think this could be an advantage depending on the track, if you were racing at Leogang, for example. The midstroke support that helps with pumping also helps to hold the bike up in its travel when pushing hard into berms and trying to increase exit-speed. The downside of this characteristic is that the bike is harder to hold on to, and absorbs less in the midstroke in rough sections like rock gardens. But on a track like Andorra or Val Di Sole when bump absorption and scrubbing off speed is the priority, then the full high-pivot bikes will offer a less fatiguing and easier ride.
Despite the falling rate of the leverage ratio at the end of the travel, the Legend took everything I could throw at it in its stride, although the production version will have slightly increased progression at the end of the stroke, as requested by some of their team riders.
Same here. After I got screwed over a warranty claim on my broken SixC handlebar, I moved to a Spank Vibrocore handlebar and the improvement in ride comfort was very obvious.
And, yes, 31.8 clamping is better. Don't let the 35mm hype fool you.
Maybe I'm more hardcore than I thought lol
i got a 35er stock on my bike and I'm fairly certain I'd never be able to tell the difference..
It seems, with some equipment (carbon wheels, handlebars) we are witnessing the law of diminishing returns when it comes to stiffness..
I think this is a topic that really needs addressing. Having ridden multiple 35mm and 31.8mm back to back, as a medium weight rider that while heavy on a bike (I tend to need to run suspension with 10-15% sag, otherwise I ride on the bottomout bumper whole time) 35mm offers no real advantages and many disadvantages such as increased arm pump, increased fatigue and increased 'claw'. Despite many company claims of their bars being the same this is false. 31.8 is better. And I shall always run 31.8 onwards, soon I will be swapping my renthals out for burgtec on my trail bike as they are too stiff even imo. Burgtec on the dh is much more comfortable.
Also been cutting my bars down to 760-780 rather than following this endless wider is better cult. Feels good to go back to something in that range.
Arm-pump gone forever.
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I'm into gravity MTB only since 2010 but I have always used Rune V1.5, Rune V2, Spitfire/Phantom and Legend versions as reference points within their respective disciplines. To them I compare competitor's geometry and performance. I just wish I one day am able to put this bike to its edge. So far, Rune has always been putting me to my edge :-).
Sick machine this one.
(but only so long as the shock maker really and truly designs the internals of the shock to work in the manner DW-Link is intended)
Maybe it should be needle instead of ball. But definitely bearing
www.pinkbike.com/u/WayneParsons/blog/real-world-cyclings-needle-bearing-shock-kit.html
Or if you want to play hahaha, our linkage doesn't need much compression damping, you use bushings. Because bushings add so much stiction that you must run extremelly small compression damping.
If Banshee had not get rid of damn bushings their customers could have get rid of Banshee...
Also, interesting to hear a good chunk of Banshee is in Scotland - never would have known or guessed.
Fast forward to the last few years where I was on a Canfield Jedi (2015, 26"). That rig blew everything I had ridden out of the water.
I was in the market for a new bike at the end of the season. I had some things I wanted on my next bike...aluminum frame, threaded BB, rearward travel, great customer service. After owning a bike that has that wheel-path, it's really tough to want to go back. The Legend ticked all these boxes off, and I picked up the 27.5 flavor
I finished the build earlier this year, and have only had 1 day on it due to injury. I can't wait until I get more saddle time on it, really excited to compare it to the Jedi. I have been in touch with the guys @ Banshee with some questions and they have been excellent at getting back to me. You can tell their passion and care for their customers.
I find it awesome that I've come full circle back to Banshee after all these years and couldn't be happier about my decision!!
SPAM: We have 2 of these "pre-production" frame kits for sale right now. You'll save a few stacks opposed to waiting for the production kits....https://www.dirtmerchantbicycles.com/collections/banshee-frames/products/banshee-legend-29-frame
Seems like for someone 5’9” this is too big and we should not reflexively size up?
When is the embargo on the 29 V10 end? I’ve had three V10’s but I’m having a hard time getting excited for a fourth. Hoping a positive review will change my mind.
Very cool bike Banshee, stoked to see the new stuff. It's cool how small shops like you guys have the guts to make some stuff on the wild side a bit. It's amazing how conservative the "fancy" boutiques are typically.
Business at the front, party at the back.
Too right you do. I've a Prime and it's the best thing I've ever ridden. I have to pinch myself when I ride it as I'm enjoying myself so much.
Should have bought one years ago.
Thanks guys!
Who let this horrendous sentence slip through?
Reach is too short unfortunately.
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