We Surveyed 152 of the World's Best Pro Mountain Bikers - Welcome to Pinkbike's State of the Sport Survey 2023

Jan 23, 2023
by Henry Quinney  

In the first half of 2021, we conducted our first state of the sport survey. The survey was made with the intention of shedding light on various issues within the pro field of mountain biking and letting riders advocate for themselves, albeit it anonymously, for what they should change - and perhaps what should stay the same.

For the first survey, some of the revelations were startling, and it largely painted a bleak picture within the context of pay and financial security. Half of the riders didn't feel they would be adequately supported if they were to suffer a significant injury and around 25% of the entire pro field earned between 0 and 5,000 USD per year across the disciplines. We also learned that XC riders tend to be looked after better financially, and downhill riders far, far worse.

The timing of the survey was well placed during a worldwide bicycle boom, and we were curious this year to see how the effects of unprecedented growth trickled down to pro contracts in the following seasons, if at all.

That's not to say that the second survey was conducted in the exact same manner. Whilst we want to track the results over the coming years, we also felt that changing the eligibility criteria of riders surveyed from a strong overall finish in either the 2019 or 2020 season to being a top-ranked rider in the singular 2022 season. This is for two main reasons. Firstly, when putting together the first survey the overall rankings were harder to interpret, as lots of riders chose not to make it over during the covid affected 2020 season. Secondly, when taking this into account, it also transpired that looking at the overall rankings and results across the disciplines, riders outside of the selection group were less likely to participate in all the full compliment of rounds for their chosen discipline. This took the total amount of responses down from just under two hundred to just over 150.

Lastly, we conducted this survey because we genuinely care. At Pinkbike, we love racing and just want to do our best to support the World Cup and high-profile athletes on their journey by giving them a platform.


Who was surveyed?

Any rider that satisfied the criteria was invited to take part. Of course, being invited and responding are two separate things but we are very happy with the completion rate and grateful to the riders who took the time to do it.

If you're wondering how many Sessions you could you buy with Vergier's wage, or whether Aaron Gwin is a bazillionaire you're sadly going to be left disappointed - this survey was taken anonymously. This allowed riders to be as open and honest as possible in their responses and gave us broader insights into the trends that affect the overall health of the sport.

Of the 152 riders who responded to the survey, 58.6% were male and 41.4% were female. The majority of riders were from Europe (59.2%), with 25% from North America, 11.8% from Oceania, 2.6% from South America and 1.3% from Asia. There was an even split between EWS and XC riders at 32.2% of the overall responses each coming from those two disciplines. 27% were from Downhill riders and the remaining responses were from a mix of slopestyle, freeride and media athletes.

Within that, there is a mix of juniors and elite riders from right across the board. From the results, we can tell that there are more than a few World Cup winners taking part in this year's survey, as well as riders still waiting for that big first W.


Why did we do the survey?

We’ve drawn this up primarily because we love competition and we believe that having more information can only make the sport better for racers and the fans who enjoy it too. Without a broad, elevated view of the sport, we're unlikely to truly understand the issues that may be at play. Surveys such as this aren’t uncommon in other sports, and we hope that this one adds to the conversations to make the sport more transparent, equitable, and enjoyable for everyone.

The survey contained 7 sections all of which contained a variety of different questions. The areas we focussed on were:

- Media and Filming
- Home Country Support
- Remuneration
- Physical and Mental Health Support
- Opportunities and Equality
- Racing Regulations
- Women's Specific Section


Limitations

There are some clear limitations to this survey. First, by limiting it to the top individuals there's a selection bias towards the highest-ranking riders. While these riders will generally have the biggest impact on the racing scene, it does ignore the swathes of racers that sit just below them in the rankings, but might well still race full-time,

Second, it wasn't a mandatory survey, so it may skew toward respondents dissatisfied with the status quo.

Third, we are relying on riders being honest in the survey. The survey was taken anonymously and we have no way of knowing with what level of bias, if any at all, the riders answered the questions with. That said, we have taken their responses in good faith.

What's next?

Over the next week, we'll be releasing the results of the survey with deep dives into the most interesting results, followed by a data dump at the end of the week that will allow you to dig into the numbers for yourself.

This will be an annual project that will allow us to track changes year over year. This snapshot of the sport on its own has produced some interesting insights but regularly revisiting these same topics will allow us to track the evolution of the sport over time.


142 Comments

  • 708 40
 Wtf this is just a non article, just give us the survey
  • 128 14
 Basically, they told us that they conducted a survey, didn't tell us what they found, and then said that they would release the results in the near future. Pretty pointless if you ask me. Should've said: "we did a survey, here's what we found..."
  • 10 1
 @danielfloyd: i learned is that i couldnt afford to service the ferrari if i was in (the bottom) 25% of the pro field but then i suppose going and having fun riding you bike is priceless
  • 12 2
 This is the same strategy as not dumping all of the field tests videos into the same article. Nothing new here, in terms of strategy.
  • 51 1
 @danielfloyd: why write one article when you can turn it into 11!? #amirite
  • 8 5
 @pmhobson: No, this is saying "Hey guys, we did some field tests! Buh-bye now."
  • 5 41
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Jan 23, 2023 at 10:41) (Below Threshold)
 Trolled again by Henry. He's a much worse troll than I ever was.
  • 27 1
 @bishopsmike: disagree. First sentence under the "What's Next" heading reads:

"Over the next week, we'll be releasing the results of the survey with deep dives into the most interesting results"

This is exactly how the field tests are introduced. They tell you which bikes they tested, how they were tested. And then they present results in individual videos for each bike, one per day.
  • 15 0
 Just think of it as a movie trailer
  • 2 0
 @danielfloyd: 2023 seems to be the year of classified information... Sucks.
  • 17 0
 This comment section is the survey to see if they should release the survey.
  • 4 1
 I’m assuming nobody’s returned the surveys yet. They’re very excited about this and just want everyone to know. Don’t be mean.
  • 5 0
 The article consists of 3 revelations:

-Group rides are a waste of time

-Mountain bikes are expensive

-Headsets are for more than just steering
  • 7 0
 @marrrty: specialized riders now have to pay for a factory spot
  • 6 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Nah dude. You’re still the king.
  • 21 1
 click·bait
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  • 15 0
 Kinda reminds me of the advent contest - prizes and no winners.
  • 2 4
 @danielfloyd: Ha! Must have taken a leaf out of the NZ Labour Party political play book.
  • 5 1
 @thustlewhumber: next month they asked 152 professional top posters in the cooments section and discovered the bottom 25 percent earned nothing for all their hard work however the top 25 percent also earned nothing …….hmmmm
  • 1 0
 Agreed. It also gives us no context of who replied. I respect that they don’t want to name names but how many of the top 10 or 20 replied for both men and ladies.
  • 3 0
 @thustlewhumber: it's a scheduled release, and you're going to love the prequel to the metasurvey

@Compositepro: we're the virtually free icing on the bottom
  • 5 0
 Every time we click on an article and open a new page, it's more ad revenue for Pinkbike. Annoying? Maybe. Understandable? Definitely. Does it keep the good content free-ish for us? Probably.
  • 3 0
 @weekendupdate: Mate, we're not here for these entirely reasonable and makes-kind-of-sense takes on the issue.
  • 1 0
 What you guys clearly are missing, is that the bike portrayed in the first Taj drawing riding alongside the WC rider is clearly the Grim Dougnut 2!
And it is clear that it's so good that you can ride it down a WC DH track while writing notes! Looking forward to the upcoming GD2 video @mikelevy
  • 2 0
 Think of it as a ‘First Ride’ with the Full Review coming tomorrow.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: pink ike forgot to put the new cover on the tps report
  • 4 9
flag chakaping (Jan 24, 2023 at 3:40) (Below Threshold)
 Entitled much
  • 1 0
 MUST READ
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: just like PBA could have been 1 short movie instead of a bunch of episodes.
  • 1 0
 @toad321
It was a “welcome “ article; like when you show up for a wedding and get your first drink. Relax, there’s more on the way.
  • 185 28
 I’d hate to be a Pinkbike writer. Just getting bashed constantly for providing content. I say good job staff. I appreciate your efforts. I look forward to reading the survey.
  • 29 7
 Here, Here! This is valuable background on the methodology and reasons about how and why the survey was conducted. Screw the haters. Bring on the data!
  • 14 25
flag ruckuswithani (Jan 23, 2023 at 12:43) (Below Threshold)
 I talked to people today. Is that good enough content for you? I guess by definition "content" is just that: any random stuff that fills up the internet.
  • 18 1
 Username checks out.
  • 6 1
 Man, if I were a Pinkbike writer, I’d be like, “I get paid to ride and talk about mountain bikes. Suck it, haters!” Actually, I think Henry here just jumps to the last part.
  • 84 5
 Thank you. Not gonna lie, it was pretty gutting to see all the negativity on something that I've put so much work into. Ah well, hope the survey information goes well and helps progression in the sport we all love. Stay tuned - hopefully you all enjoy reading about it.
  • 13 3
 @henryquinney: cmon man no one is really hating. on your work (well i hope not) the comments section is literally the peanut gallery i treat it as mostly glib comments with little to no malice behind them
  • 4 0
 @boozed: I think that one went over people’s heads, but I get you, dawg.
  • 12 20
flag handynzl (Jan 23, 2023 at 14:59) (Below Threshold)
 @henryquinney: Henry old pal, old buddy, old geezer! Your title says "welcome to the..." which by most peoples parlance in this context would mean that you're going to be provided with that which was promised - the actual survey in this instance.

The introduction was a fine piece of internetual diatribe, and one that you could indeed stick to the refrigerator door with a couple of souvenir magnets from your last visit to Fort William to impress friends and colleagues. We'll give you nine riding buddies out of ten for the effort.

So when, oh when, will the actual survey be posted, dear Sir?
  • 13 0
 @henryquinney: I'm sure the negativity is in regards to the 'teaser' and not the actual articles themselves. Think of it this way: people are so excited about the actual survey that they're frustrated they couldn't yet see the results.
  • 3 1
 @bonkmasterflex: All it says is they sent out a load of surveys and some people replied. There is nothing to put the replies into context. How many of the 150 who replied are in the top 10 or 20 of their discipline? How many from each discipline replied? I respect that they won’t name individuals. It needs context. If those who replies are all people who never make the live broadcast then you will get a very different set of responses compared to if the top 20 from each discipline responded
  • 10 6
 They’re not making content, they’re selling advertising. They’re not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. We’re the product and they’re not on our side.
  • 11 6
 You guys are all muppets. He literally wrote in the 2nd last paragraph....

"Over the next week, we'll be releasing the results of the survey with deep dives into the most interesting results, followed by a data dump at the end of the week that will allow you to dig into the numbers for yourself."

They will still be writing some of the content and posted a primer so you keep an eye out for it. Call it inline site advertising if you want.

Go ride your bike while you wait.
  • 4 2
 @handynzl: agreed. The headline does not pay off expectations. The result was a disappointment for me and I felt exactly the same as the top comment at the bottom of the article.

Job 1 of product delivery is to set and meet expectations, whether it’s McDoo or Michelin Star.
  • 6 0
 @henryquinney: I personally enjoy your contributions. Thank you for the work you put into this site we all love, despite what the commenters might say.
  • 2 2
 @henryquinney: get Parky to do a week where all comments sections are closed!
People will just read the stuff they want to comment in their head about it and generally live happier and mkre fulfilling lives. Not to mention more time to ride.

PB writers get also get cut some slack
  • 3 1
 @henryquinney: those who speak loudest frequently have the least to say
  • 3 1
 At least they're producing some content; a lot of the cycling media don't even bother with MTB racing.....which is pretty poor to be honest.
  • 3 0
 @henryquinney: It's nothing personal Henry, it's just that thanks to years of being clickbaited people are hyper-sensitive to any title that doesn't delivery exactly what was expected.

If the article title had been "Coming Next Week: Pinkbike's State of the Sport Survey 2023" I imagine it would have all been positivity and excitement.

Well alright no, it's the comments section, it would still have been a dumpster fire. We would just have been fuming about something else.
  • 2 4
 @henryquinney: Come on dude. The negativity wasn't aimed at the survey itself. If anything all the -ve comments should fill you with a feeling of satisfaction that people are so keen to see the results of your fine work. The complaints are aimed very squarely at the fact that the above article is very long, yet contains very little real info, and none of the info readers were led to expect it would. It's nothing to lose sleep over, just standard internet extreme reaction to a mild (but real) irritation.
  • 1 4
 Further to that, I generally really enjoy your articles. I like your approach. I like that you don't try to dumb things down too much, while simultaneously keeping things accessible. I like your humour. I like your open mind. I like your honesty. But I too was a bit disappointed when I reached the end of the above article, only to find it was basically a very very wordy teaser.
  • 2 2
 @henryquinney: The comments section is perpetually stuffed by a group of blowhards that inundate every thread with their criticisms of everything and why they are smarter/better/cooler than whatever the post is about.

They are like the hecklers at a sporting event. It's all they've got. Best to ignore them or they will succeed in making you as miserable as they are.

The article itself was a well-written primer for the survey, but I do think the title definitely gave the impression the survey was included. I more accurate title could lessen the feedback next time if you are hoping to avoid a repeat of this negative experience.

Keep up the good work!
  • 82 17
 I'm here to shoot the messenger regarding that Outside tabloid trash story about the Moriah Wilson murder. This article is a disservice to the family and friends of the victim, who I knew personally in the riding community. We don't need a 9,000 word "thought piece" that humanizes a murder or her scumbag boyfriend, and takes all kinds of creative liberties. No one cares that they were "strapping" or attractive, or why they "needed" to own guns. This is the most basic premeditated murder of an amazing person who we miss everyday. Shame on you all for reposting salacious crap.
  • 16 5
 100% agree with your post. It's was "opinion" piece, which are usually, all garbage.
  • 3 11
flag dualsuspensiondave (Jan 23, 2023 at 12:14) (Below Threshold)
 Transparency is key in making sure that people don’t make the same mistakes again or never make them in the first place.
  • 20 0
 What an embarrassment. No competent editor should have let that trash run in the first place, let alone without disclosing the author's friendship with Strickland above that disgusting lede. Gonna hope PB gets the benefit of the doubt on reposting it - I think Outside had them publish the NFT crap here as well.
  • 7 1
 Yup. Thar article wouldn't pass an editor's desk for publication in a college newspaper. It's a great time to stop visiting and to move on, which I should have done when they decided to monetize user-generated content on Trailforks. Stupid is as stupid does.
  • 6 0
 That Outside piece reads like Strickland hired the dude to write it for him. The New Yorker did a way better job—but no real surprise there I guess.
  • 2 2
 @cyclocrossmonkey: I thiught Strickland came off quite well and seems to have suffered unfairly from his sponsors and the public... but now realise that if this is my only source in the matter, it may well not be the full truth.
  • 5 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: That's exactly the problem - the author never mentioned that Strickland had a history of dating fragile, volatile women and then winding them up all kinds of drama and jealousy traps. This time it got someone else killed. He deserves this fallout.
  • 2 3
 I thought it was an excellent article telling us absolutely nothing new. An great article for someone living under a rock.
  • 1 3
 @sjk303: Y’all are soft.
  • 1 0
 @fentoncrackshell: I've now read the New Yorker version. Strickland not so rosy in that one. Although it does try to paint him as a "athlete past his prime" which should really be kept separate from his personality / personality flaws.
  • 51 0
 Last years article was pretty good. Basically it told me don't be a pro mountain biker if you want to eat.
  • 5 0
 If MvdP and TomP filled in their forms this year, then the averages will make it look like every XC rider has a Ferrari and eats caviar at dinner.
  • 3 0
 @mi-bike: oooo do i need caviar to go with my ferrari
  • 38 2
 I surveyed myself after reading this and found that 100% of myself regretted reading this article.
  • 23 4
 im lost did no one fill in the survey read the first bit scrolled read a bit more scrolled got to the comments and wondered
  • 15 0
 Because I am unable to leave a comment on the actual Outside articles I will do it here. Could someone please tell me how I can block Outside articles from appearing on my feed? I can block eMTB news but not Outside? C'mon....
  • 3 0
 Try blocking Beta in the filters. I have the filter on and don't see any outside articles in the news feed at all. I know Beta is no longer a thing but the filter seems to work.

[edit] Wrote too soon... I checked and the Beta filter is no longer there. But it seems to still work for me since I enabled it before it disappeared from the options? Weird stuff but I still don't see any of the Outside stuff.
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: Thanks for the suggestion. I was hoping for a fix like that.
  • 13 2
 My guess is the survey will illustrate this: Work in front of a computer filling out TPS reports for 40hrs a week and be able to provide for your family...... launch yourself off a huge cliff while doing a backflip with thousands consuming your content and you get a nice helmet. I personally don't understand why these athletes perform at such high levels with such high stakes to a very captive and devoted audience (some of which are dentists and will just buy their stuff bc it matches the color of their Taco), and provide truly inspirational content, make virtually nothing while baseball players can buy their own private islands after a modest career.
  • 7 1
 For all the baseball players who strike it rich, there's a much larger number that don't make the cut. As in, they're insanely talented, perhaps play on college teams and/or minor league - but never get called up into the majors. Our local minor league team's players live with guest families, sort of like exchange students.

For all the madness at the high-money-end of professional sports, it's easy to forget just how steep the odds are. Think of all those promising high school athletes who don't stand a chance getting into the college scholarship ranks despite all their talent and hard work. Think of all the college athletes who get hurt before they can go pro - and the much larger number who simply won't be drafted.

This tends to be pretty universal across lots of sports - even the ones we think of as providing tons of money. Soccer is probably the biggest sport worldwide both in terms of participation at the grass roots and in terms of professional money/opportunities. The chance of making a living as a soccer player, for each and every one of the highly talented hardworking development players worldwide, is still minuscule.
  • 12 0
 The payout doesn't have anything to do with the odds to make it, or the amount of talent you need. What counts is how many people watch the sport and if they have some money to spend.
  • 2 0
 @g-42: I agree with you having had a good friend play minor league baseball for years.... my point was I think the folks at the top of our sport ARE insanely good and have risen to the top against the odds as well. Their athleticism and talent in my opinion are equal to most top tier conventional professional athletes, and the risk they take exceeds that of most professional athletes. Not trying to take away from baseball players - just trying to amplify MTBrs......
  • 1 1
 @HuckminsterfullerAF: When you consder the TOP of our sport (Gwin, Bruni, Minaar, Athertons and then Jolanda Neff, Nino Schurter for XC etc.), they are making VERY good money. No, its not $30mill a year like basketball or football but that is because the viewership isnt there. Baseball and football and basketball get billions in media rights deals. That just doesnt exist because there arent enough people watching to make it worthwhile. Or, just as likely, there are a bunch of gypsy a-holes that won't pay to see better coverage and complain about it on the interwebs....sound familiar?
  • 1 0
 I'm not that surprised unfortunately, it's a small sport still and not attractive to the general public as a spectator sport.

It's all money to make the sponsors money. I'd wager most money spent because of MTB sponsorship is from existing MTB fans - there's no non-participating affiliation spend. ie. it's just divvying up the existing mtb spend pie in their favour, and mtb is still a small sport in terms of $ to be made from fans and participants. Maybe if Coca Cola thought sponsoring an MTB team would make people buy more Coca Cola there'd be more money.

The largest sponsors want new markets/ non-participating followers. The soccer player Ronaldo for instance (bit of a prat in my opinion but very popular), moved to Al Nassr Football Club. Overnight instagram followers went from 800k to +10m. He'll contribute significantly towards the football's popularity in SA and brands affiliated with Al Nassr will benefit - but crucially only a small % of that spend will come from people who play football.

I've got a UK bias but insta followers Gee Atherton 500k, Danny Hart 200k, Rach Atheron 300k, Evie Richards 300k, Rob Warner 130k, Kriss kyle 440k, Danny Mac 2m. These are good insta-value too

We are of course in awe of everyone from Jolana Neff (475k) to Brage Vestavik (327k) but it's niche, and danger in itself doesn't make you money.
  • 1 0
 @johnny2shoes: I think there are two ways for a sport to provide huge amounts of money to the people at the top of it. One is broad mass appeal, with the sport being a major piece of the fabric of a huge chunk of the consuming population. Soccer is probably the best example of a sport like that on a world-wide scale. Within soccer, then, you see that there's still a huge disparity between the top earners (the kinds of names that sell jerseys on multiple continents) and the journeymen - even the ones who play in the same leagues.

The other is the fashion/fad thing,where a sport may be fringe, but it's trendy and attractive. My main sport, windsurfing, went through that in the 80s; snowboarding had its moment of that; mountain biking sure did. That's usually when you've got a lifestyle/action sport that hits the public's attention - and all of a sudden you've got outside-the-industry sponsorship trying to leverage that buzz. And wouldn't you know it, for a while, that's a gravy train, and it leads to some truly well compensated top athletes getting rich (not Ronaldo or Messi rich, but still estate on the Maui North Shore rich), and lots of pros making a pretty good living. And then a few years later, when the fad has faded and the attention has moved on to the new hotness, that sport is still as awesome as ever, and the pros are still as amazing as ever - but you've now got a much smaller pie, and only the very top tier make any sort of nice living, and then you have a lot of people scraping by and eventually having to get a day job to pay the bills).

MTB does not have the mass appeal of soccer, or basketball, or American Football. It's more like ski racing, or professional sailboat racing - there's an industry there, there are a bunch of pros, and then there are a lot of people who are working awfully hard trying to live their dream for very little in compensation compared to their risks and sacrifices. We've seen fad phase gravytrain years - those aren't coming back. And it's unlikely these sports will truly grow to be the new soccer or basketball or what have you. But hopefully, the riders will get a better deal over time, finding ways to tap some of the awesomeness they're creating when they do their magic.
  • 1 0
 @g-42: Agree - and I sincerely hope these guys are making a living out of cycling and the enjoyment they bring to fans.
  • 11 2
 Idk about y'all, but I've got like max 15 minutes per day to spend on this site, so a continuous trickle of free content in smallish chunks seems perfectly fine, and now I know to check back for this over my morning coffee soon. I guess if I didn't have a job, a family, other hobbies or a bike to go ride I'd also be cranky that Henry won't give us all the data and interpretation RIGHT NOW.
  • 1 0
 This is also my situation. Seems a lot of folk devote their time to bashing great, free content. I'm very perplexed as to why people get pissed...
  • 1 0
 @UPBike: yup
Reminds me of all the bitching on Redbull's coverage these last several years. Now we need to pay a subscription fee for that W.Cup coverage.
  • 10 0
 I never received my survey. I guess I must be the 153th best rider in the world.
  • 3 0
 155th. Wait, you said worst, right?
  • 12 2
 Survey Says: Where are the Advent Contest Winners?
  • 9 1
 goofy ahh article
  • 6 1
 Honestly surprised Outside kept Taj on contract.
(Edit- In a good way!)
  • 1 0
 nm
  • 3 0
 Any comments on the pro's closet cutting more staff? Is the Boulder-area bike biz taking a beating on all fronts? Tough year for them with all the fires.
  • 1 0
 I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but what was the selection criteria used? It mentions something about "top-ranked rider" but it would help to interpret the results knowing specifically what criteria were used to invite riders to participate.
  • 34 32
 Thanks for the work. But people, one article below it says "The Murder of Moriah Wilson". I come to Pinkbike to get away from all the crap, not to read about murders.
  • 23 9
 I don’t think Pinkbike would appreciate if someone close to them had their tragic events publicized for money
  • 26 5
 Agreed. WTF outside?
  • 17 7
 @hardtailssuck you come to a bike news website to get away from... the news? Odd.
  • 43 9
 A professional cyclist was murdered by another cyclist, with a third cyclist being the link between the two. If you don't want to read about it, then don't. But don't blame outside for thinking the article belongs on a cycling website.
  • 25 0
 @jaredmh: this. if Minnaar shived Gwin in a bar, I think everyone here would expect PB to write something about it. lol
  • 14 2
 @jaredmh: definitely blame Outside for publishing an article written by an admitted friend of any of them, especially Mr. Strickland in this case. Gross.
  • 4 10
flag dualsuspensiondave (Jan 23, 2023 at 12:17) (Below Threshold)
 @owl-X: As an outsider it doesn’t come across as in any support of Strickland at all. In reality, it was written well to let the reader make their own speculations (mine weren’t positive towards Strickland).
  • 13 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: disagree. The author is extremely deferential to what he even calls "his scene." Comes off as a dude protecting his friend. The stories about Strickland's behavior are too numerous to be omitted in an article like this--dude's a super creep and this guy's apologizing for him.
Outside should know that even the appearance of bias is a bad look...but they're fine with sleaze.
  • 16 1
 It’s ok to cover cycling news. This murder in particular is cycling news. The article is trash. It’s ok to complain about trash.
  • 9 0
 @owl-X: The author is disturbingly flattering towards his "buddy" Strickland; it's like Milhouse wrote an article about Bart. The article is an embarrassment.
  • 13 0
 @owl-X: I would agree. The article is certainly attempting to point the barrel (poor taste of words) of the media away from Strickland. The author blames relaxed gun laws before he blames Armstrong or Strickland... Strickland obviously didn't fire the gun, but the courts and the rule of public opinion are going to have their way. But, this article constantly makes excuses for Colin's behavior. A lot of it reads like the author just interviewed Colin and his friends while skipping over, or not doing justice, to the facts of the matter.
  • 4 0
 This is cool, thanks for doing this.
  • 4 0
 Yo Dawg, I heard you like surveys, so we put surveys on your surveys.
  • 3 0
 Did they turn off autoplay on the survey? I've gotten so fat and lazy I don't know how to use PB without it.
  • 4 1
 this is essentially a government press release. "We took a survey...thought you'd want to know...and...Ok"
  • 4 1
 Do a survey if Pink Bike users like useless outside.com articles in their news feed.
  • 1 1
 You should come survey my work. We are all under paid, over worked, out benefits have been eroded and there isn't free coffee or fruit any more which is a disgrace. With all that work, there isn't as much time to ride bikes which have gone up massively in price.
  • 4 0
 Love me some insights
  • 3 2
 This is the equivalent to double-spacing, and enlarging the font to 48, then saying “Look at this 5 page, in depth report I wrote”.
  • 7 8
 3 things:
1) You have every right to release your survey findings as you see fit - PB commenters just like to have a tissy because they would rather flaunt their opinion than practice their bike skills.

2) I'm interested in learning about your findings. Will you be expanding on the questions you asked and more importantly, WHY you asked them?

3) I think it would be interesting to do this from the perspectives of Industry Insiders as well. People who have worked at multiple companies, or been at the same company for multiple years; people who have worked different roles throughout the industry; and those who offer unique perspectives of the industry (women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, low socio-economic status, etc.) The reason I say this is because they, like athletes, are people who watch day-in and day-out, the industrial machine. The "State of the Sport" is not just the outward facing programing experienced by the top athletes, it is also the experience of people working on product development, warranty support, sustainability, people and culture within a company, and even you fine folks of PB.
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 What is a "media athlete" and how many of them are there?
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 Two words: Nate Hills.
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 @Snowytrail It's when @mikelevy does efficiency tests fuelled by Monster and doughnuts.
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 Someone whose primary performance metric is Instagram posts or YouTube vids. You'll have to go on those two platforms and count them yourself though.
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 Northern hemisphere winter!!! Pinkbike, be like that escalated quickly. Waits for the next uci/discovery press release.. gets popcorn
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 Looking forward to it. Appreciated the article talking about how you conducted the survey. Maybe for the people who didn’t like it, you can just publish the Abstract on the next one Smile
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 Pinkbike has become really stupid since Richard Cunningham left. Getting hard to give a shit about it anymore.
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 Looking forward to seeing the results! Hopefully the feedback helps inform and empower racers across the board.
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 Never got the survey. Even checked my spam. I must be 153rd fastest!
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 What is that?
Just give us the results.
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 Grow the sport. This is a big part of it.
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 survey says: "riders plan to buy moar stuf". Well at least I hope that's the take-away.
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 Pinkbike this is a tease of colossal proportions!!!! Tease of the year for sure Wink
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 Where result
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 The data dump should come first then the deep dive pieces.
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 What we will learn... MTB doesn't pay to be the best, instead pays influencers more than they deserve.
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 @MTBthoroughbred Lol what a hot take. No mtb influencer in history has ever come close to Gwin or Schurter money, let alone the golden era pros when there was out-of-industry sponsorship in mtb. Not even in the same universe. Influencers get absolute peanuts as a trade-off for a great work-life balance (or essentially living almost work-free) and it's fine as clearly they accept that. Good racers get paid way more but it's a hard job with the training schedule, diet, travel etc. All is good in the world. The myth about influencers being paid too much is 100% made up by clueless people. A lot of them don't get paid at all, which is exactly what makes them great value for brands.
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 @bananowy: did i say they pay influencers more than Gwin? I said they get paid more than they deserve...
What we will also learn.. Having friends in powerful positions and sucking up gets you paid.
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 @MTBthoroughbred: You said "MTB doesn't pay to be the best", which is demostrably false. The best MTB pros earn good money, especially for how tiny their audience is.

It's questionable to say it "pays influencers more than they deserve" when most of them don't get paid at all and a small minority who do, earn very little from within the industry. Influencers who do OK financially get their money from monetizing YouTube videos, i.e. out-of-industry ads. If you think someone like Remy earns too much (as if, lol), complain to Google LLC, not the bike brands because sure as hell the bike industry is not where he gets his main income from.

Nothing you said is based in reality and that's beside the fact you're in no position to say what other people "deserve" to earn. Influencer, racer or dentist, they earn whatever their services are worth to someone.
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 blegh
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 PB is really milking the clicks huh
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 There are 152 top professionals?
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 I never got interviewed.
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