Specifications | ||
Release Date | 2023 | |
Price | $9199 | |
Travel | 130 | |
Rear Shock | RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate | |
Fork | RockShox Lyrik Ultimate 140mm | |
Headset | Cane Creek 40 Series, IS52/IS42mm | |
Cassette | Sram X01 Eagle 10-52T | |
Crankarms | Sram X01 Eagle Transmission, 170mm, 32t | |
Bottom Bracket | Sram DUB BSA 73mm | |
Rear Derailleur | Sram X01 Eagle Transmission | |
Chain | Sram X01 Eagle Transmission Flattop | |
Shifter Pods | Sram AXS Pod Ultimate Controller | |
Handlebar | Trail 1 Crocket Carbon 25mm | |
Stem | Trail 1 Viking Alloy Stem 40mm | |
Grips | Trail 1 Farlow Gap | |
Brakes | Sram Code RSC 180/180mm rotors | |
Hubs | Industry Nine Hydra 148 Boost | |
Rim | Revel RW30 V2 Carbon | |
Tires | Continental Kryptotal-Fr, 29x2.4, Trail Casing, Endurance Compound Front / Continental Xynotal Trail Casing 29x2.4 Endurance compound, Rear | |
Seat | SDG Radar | |
Seatpost | Bike Yoke Revive 185mm |
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I have it built up with lightweight carbon wheels, lighter trail tires and generally a lighter build but I think a std. Stumpjumper with a light build if I could get it under 30 lbs would be ideal.
for the little stumpy, i got a custom tune on the shock and upgraded from a 34 to 36. i have a set of roval controls with XC tires, and when i slap those on with some eggbeaters, it is at about 27 pounds. alternatively, i have a set of ibis S35 wheels with minions and I pop those on (plus some mallet E pedals) and it's more like 29 - but i get fewer flats and it still totally slays.
i put a 140 air spring in the 36 (it was 160 on the 130LR), even though it was tempting to go 150. i like the stock geo and didn't feel like i needed to increase the stroke on the fork. initially i thought it might be a bit under powered for downieville but it isn't at all. it actually is so much fun, even in the rough stuff, because of how agile it is
Be interesting if that test ended up modifying the opinion on this new bike. OR... if the memory of how that older bike used to ride would change?
Sometimes it's better to just have that memory rather than test how accurate it is!!
but I will have to say that’s it’s just funny how opinions are things that don’t always stand the test of time ;p
I had the same experience. Loved the sb5.5 and sb150... sold my sb130 after 1 month. Sold my sb120 after 2 rides. I won't buy another Yeti unless they make something again in the all-mountain category that totally rips.
When chainstays dont scale up the front wheel wants to drift/tuck. Its scary AF to go BACK to a bike with shorter chainstays after riding one with properly scaled (or closer to properly scaled) chainstays - thats when it hits you how sketchy it was all along.
Let's take a look at how out of whack these Rascal chainstays are:
M = 451 reach / 436 chainstay
XXL = 528 reach / 436 chainstay (510 chainstay would be proportional to the M ratio!!)
FIVE HUNDRED AND TEN MM
Conversely, if the M had the same reach/chainstay ratio as the XXL it would sport 372mm chainstays (think BMX bike)
Though, it is a bummer we have to ignore certain brands because they seem to ignore a certain percentage of their customer base optimizing geometry better.
In the past, front centers were so short, there was only benefits in trying to keep the chain stays as short as possible.
Now reach and HA have grown so much, at 190cm my geo review process is CS (435-455) and SA (75-7 allow steep climbing? Then a reasonable front center please, and with 64° HA I don't want more than 470-495 reach. I'll use a 50mm stem instead of 30 if I feel cramped.
I'm often looking at M size bikes now...
Jokes.
The lack of care and effort is astonishing, and brands have the nerve to call it a feature.
that said, i'd be more than happy to test a bike with equal reach and CS length out of pure curiosity.
CBF suspension is everything they claim, I though I had placebo effect after getting new bike, but I took my previous bike for a rip from big T and once back to Rascal it felt like my previous bike was a Walmart discount model It is just on a totally different level. Canfield is a magician, and I really want to try one of their AL bikes as well now.
The only bike that ever came close to me in comparison to Rascal is Ibis RIPLEY, but Rascal still climbs better which is what I want as I suck at it
Doesn't seem forced out to me? He quite clearly seems to think its a good bike for mellower trails.
My old process 153 was dramatically different. Rear suspension stiffened under heavy braking, you could feel the suspension fighting the chain when pedaling through a rock garden. My lithium is so, so much more predictable and composed in those situations.
I go by the feel, it is easier to climb on this bike compared to everything I rode before, I feel like I have a lot of control bombing though the any type of trail, when I put power into the pedal, bike just takes off. My initial impression of the bike was like it has small motor and propels with assistance.
It's just hard to explain, especially if you come with desire to hate this bike without even trying it first.
Majority of companies simply dump a load of marketing bullshit on you, so you expect that Revel is no different, but I assure you, bike checks all the marketing check boxes Revel talks about. Also I have never met a person that would not like Canfield bike
And I’m with you regarding the marketing hype. I try to ignore it. I’ll get a bike I think I want to ride, and my general attitude toward any given suspension platform is, “Yeah, whatever. It will be fine.” But I’m telling you — everything I’ve heard so far is true.
And that’s not to say it’s the one and only good suspension platform out there, or that I will never buy anything else, but I’d say right now, it’s the best I’ve tried.
Canfield has a long explanation on their site...
canfieldbikes.com/pages/cbf-suspension
FWIW. It also makes sense to just ride the bike. AS/AR are fairly crude calculations with a lot of limitations.
When bike park season came around, I was blown away by how much better the suspension was at behaving through steep rough stuff when braking.
Yes.
I do feel that bikes have plateaued with much of the geometry, most bikes are very good angles wise these days and the harder part is finding the right sizing to allow the rider to integrate perfectly.
We need to step away from full carbon frames and get fully back on board with aluminium, there’s clearly no weight saving these days, and if you’re building a bruiser DH bike a little heft is your friend.
For sure. My 2019 bike was a fairly progressive new model at the time and I loved it from day 1. Now it's pretty normal in terms of geo and suspension characteristics and rides as well as ever. The problem now is that I like new bikes, but can't in any way justify one while mine is still just as good as anything coming out today.
Also I don't know how bike companies are going to handle a lack of innovation in geo over the next 5 or 10 years. It feels like we are there and now you buy a new bike because your old one wore out (rather than newest being greatest).
Yep, 28” wheels are going to be the best of both worlds, and oh btw, we now Are introducing boost+ wheels with a subscription service requirement…
Why would you expect that? Conti has SuperSoft, Soft, and Endurance, which would correlate to MaxxGrip, MaxxTerra, and MaxxSpeed. Endurance is not going to better MaxxTerra any more than MaxxSpeed would.
Based on the depth of the tread, volume of the tire, and intentions of the Rascal (which is not XC racing), yes, I would expect these Continental tires to perform similar to the mentioned Maxxis tires for light duty trail riding conditions.
Revel also mentioned that the front tire specified should be a Soft compound and not the Endurance. Thankfully, tires are an easy swap to suit personal preferences.
One more random note, however: even in the harder Endurance compound, the knobs of the tires clung to mud and wet dirt and wouldn't shed this easily whatsoever. This made for challenging shoulder season riding when the occasional puddle on an otherwise mostly dry trail would keep your tires covered in dirt that only makes everything on trail more slippery. An interesting mix of lack of traction alongside holding dirt on the knobs...
*(MaxxSpeed is actually listed as: "best for XC race conditions", which makes no sense, because races take place in a variety of conditions. It could be dry, muddy, raining, all sorts of weather; though XC courses are usually pretty hard, so that fits partly into the Single and Dual intentions.)
If you expect a tire to perform solely based on the tread, volume, and intention of the bike* and ignore the compound, you're doing it quite wrong.
*(What does that have ANYTHING to do with the tire? Why would anyone ever expect a hard compound tire to perform differently just because it's on a trail bike? You can say you expected a different tire to be specced to better match the bike, but expecting a badly specced tire to perform differently because of the bike it's on... well, that is completely backwards.)
"Revel also mentioned that the front tire specified should be a Soft compound and not the Endurance."
Yeah, because they know how it works! They don't expect the Endurance to perform like a MaxxTerra, hence why they intended the Soft.
And when their respective descriptions are virtually identical?
MaxxSpeed: "specially formulated to reduce rolling resistance and optimize treadwear and traction"
Conti Endurance: "a high durability in combination with good rolling resistance and grip is achieved"
MaxxTerra: "offers more traction than 3C MaxxSpeed, yet provides better treadwear and less rolling resistance than MaxxGrip, which makes it ideal for trail riding in all conditions"
Conti Soft: "High level of grip with a reasonable rolling resistance... the optimal combo for Enduro or Trail riding"
Those are quite literally the same intentions. No reasonable person would expect Endurance to match MaxxTerra, no matter the intentions of the bike it was specced on, just as no one would expect MaxxSpeed or Single Compound to match MaxxTerra.
That's very strange because a Lyrik 140 comes stock with 2 spacers installed. Which it should because of the way travel adjust works on recent forks: it's all in the air shaft length, so a shorter travel fork bottoms out with a lot more volume left in the air spring. Hence the need for spacers in everything but the longest travel option for a given chassis, with more spacers for every shortening. So you didn't really add 3 tokens, you added just 1 to the 2 that should have been there from the beginning.
Same for 2020. Granted, it is different for 2024, but "in the last couple of years" the spec indicates there should be factory installed tokens, and this article seems to be about a MY2023 setup.