Loic Bruni Injured

May 25, 2016
by Paul Aston  
After an incredible finish to 2015 in Andorra where Bruni earned the right to rainbow stripe his garments for the rest of his career, 2016 was looking spectacular for the 22-year-old French rider. He qualified 1st in Lourdes, only to crash out in the final with the green light well and truly on, this was remedied in Cairns where authority was stamped with his first World Cup win. Unfortunately Loic's hopes of domination this season are over after a multi-break collarbone injury in training this week that will put him out of Fort William, Leogang, and Crankworx in France. I'm definitely not counting him out of another gold medal on the legendary Italian hillside in September.


Bad news mates, had a nasty crash training last week end... Broken collarbone and a concussion. The Bone was in several parts so just had a surgery and I feel better. I'm sorry to say that i'll at least miss Fort william, Leogang and les Gets. I will try to heal fast and to get ready for the rest of the season. Won't be able to chase the overall anymore but i'll be back. The team has been really cool and my team mates will honor our colors! Thanks to the sponsors for being amazing. Thoughts to Stevie's family too and loving Life. Mauvaise nouvelle après un gros crash le week-end dernier... Trauma crânien mais surtout clavicule en morceaux. Donc l'opération s'est bien passé merci J-Y Bohic! Je vais devoir rater les prochaines coupes du monde et les Crankworx aux gets même si j'irai dans tous les cas. Je promet de me soigner vite et de revenir au top pour le reste de la saison. Le général se fait la malle mais ya d'autres belles choses. Merci au team qui est au top et mes coéquipiers feront honneur à nos couleurs. Merci aussi aux sponsors pour être présents.

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Loic Bruni has been called the first Pope of Downhill this week. We can see why. He s been blisteringly fast on a track where many have struggled. He has parted the mud and the water with seems could only be divine ability. Loic qualified first today in his technicolor rainbow jersey.


MENTIONS: @Specialized



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  • 264 7
 Far out, this is shitty news. I was really pinning for Loic to take the win this season, wish you a speedy recovery!
  • 135 516
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 5:42) (Below Threshold)
 We will all be missing the excitement of this guys runs.

But somebody crashing on a Demo comes as no big surprise considering the new Demo has the most unstable rear suspension design out there due to the much-to-low concentric BB pivot. I've already previously documented how having the wheels moving in exact opposite directions compromises traction and increases instability, and those facts have gone completely unchallenged even by the guy who actually designed the bike.

Before you cuss at me, call me a troll, or tell me I'm wrong, I have one simple request: Show me a current DH bike with a more unstable wheelbase than the new Demo. Good luck with that one, haters.

Heal up Bruni!
  • 203 16
 you're fuckwit, Protour.
  • 196 6
 He's baaaaack!!! Demo party's oooon!
  • 135 7
 @Protour: what are you trying to do with all this information Protour? why rabidly pursue this, what good can come of it? The last time I checked, the bike was winning big time. Riders come off their bikes. Regardless of their frigging axle path. It happens. To think you've somehow uncovered some mind-blowing conspiracy with your least favourite bicycle manufacturer is a waste of your and everyone else's time. And even if you're correct, then what? start lobbying parliament? Time to ease up and just allow others to feel bad for a star of the sport for 5 minutes.
  • 224 10
 @Protour: You're worse than the people who take Strava seriously.
  • 33 230
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 6:07) (Below Threshold)
 @ajayflex:
I noticed you didn't come up with another DH bike that is more unstable, thanks for the frustrated confirmation of my assertions about the new Demo.

I absolutely blame the injury on the Demo, it only stands to reason that if you are on an unstable bike you are more likely to go over the bars and become injured. Low c.o.g. but o.t.b.

Specialized: please kill the new Demo before it kills someone.
  • 29 193
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 6:14) (Below Threshold)
 @nickkk:
I noticed you also couldn't think of another current DH bike with a more unstable suspension design, thanks for the confirmation about the instability of the Demo.

You ask: "What are you trying to do with all this information Protour? why rabidly pursue this, what good can come of it?"

Safer bikes for all my two-wheeled brothers and sisters.
  • 71 5
 @Protour: ok, so now we know you're mental. However, since you're clearly such a fan of fact based evidence, im assuming you can furnish us with evidence that Loic's crash was attributed to it's 'unstable suspension design' ? I'm all ears for one. Safer bikes is a noble pursuit absolutely, but this rhetoric is tin foil hat territory.
  • 76 9
 @Protour: Leave.

This is about Bruni's healing not your theories. This type of article is where we MTBers unite to wish someone a speedy recovery not start pointing fingers at equipment.
  • 20 140
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 6:20) (Below Threshold)
 @nickkk: "Riders come off their bikes. Regardless of their frigging axle path. It happens."

The logic of your statement presents the idea that regardless of how unstable a bike is, riders are going to crash sometimes anyways, so the stability of a design has no influence ever over whether somebody crashes or not.

And you said I was mental?
  • 79 5
 PROTOUR IS BACK!!! Yeeea
  • 197 4
 @Protour: It's clearly stated here that he was on his enduro bike, not his Demo.

www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Loic-Bruni-Breaks-Collarbone-Will-Miss-Several-Races,9209
  • 10 0
 Damn. So gutted, man Loic can't catch a break.
  • 10 94
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 6:40) (Below Threshold)
 Nickkk said "Im assuming you can furnish us with evidence that Loic's crash was attributed to it's 'unstable suspension design"

The fact-based evidence is that nobody in the world can point to a current DH bike with a more unstable wheelbase. That's pretty convincing.

I blame the crash on the Demo because it is an unstable design that increases the chances of crashing and injury. A DH bike with the most unstable wheelbase in the history of DH bikes deserves this negative attention.

I feel bad for Bruni's injury but I'm not going to let his sponsor off the hook. This is the best time to bring attention to this, similar to how some auto crashes reveal product defects that caused injury. I hope Bruni reads this and wonders why nobody can come up with another DH bike that is more unstable.
  • 44 6
 @Protour: Are you kidding dude? You are really going to use Bruni's crash as a platform to bring up that lame suspension argument again? "Sorry about your crash, but let me just kick you in the balls in front of the entire internet while you lay in the hospital." And he wasn't even on the Demo when it happened? Low, man... low.
  • 33 2
 Came here to see if Protour had anything to say about this. Was not disappointed. Absolutely gutted for Loic now Josh is gonna have to get off his ass and start winning otherwise I'm gonna get bored watching the Aaron Gwin show :-P (disclaimer: this is jokes I'll be loving every second whoever wins). Heal up quick Bruni we need you!
  • 74 2
 @Protour: I feel you choose to ignore the fact that he wasn't on his DH bike when he biffed it.. People, this is why its dangerous to breastfeed your kid beyond the age of 5. Yes, 5. 4 is OK.
  • 103 12
 People like me, Redburn or Protour are here to unite the community, even if only for the sake of downvoting a troll into oblivion.
  • 12 2
 @scott-townes: @eljefe75

Oh come one, men, you just killed the demo class action boot camp...
Maybe should we go on with the Enduro conspiracy ?
Ok, just a hint : maybe Loïc crashed on the new Enduro prototype, the one with concentric bottom bracket pivot ?
  • 22 3
 @WAKIdesigns @Protour its like the good ol' days! Where should we start? Chainstay length, or economics?
  • 10 56
flag MtHoodMTB (May 25, 2016 at 6:54) (Below Threshold)
 @Thustlewhumber:
He was on the Demo when he crashed in the first World Cup race of the season that he should have won.

As long as nobody can name a current DH bike that is more unstable than the new Demo, my efforts towards making the sport safer are justified. People telling me to shut up about the unsafe design of the Demo are essentially like people who think it's ok to ride without helmets and don't want anything said about it. Just because you ride a Demo and Specialized is your favorite brand doesn't excuse the company from criticism over what is very clearly an unsafe design.
  • 9 1
 @Protour: I would like to say that my specialized status has a much more unstable rear end compared to every demo I've ridden.
  • 47 2
 @MtHoodMTB: Protour? Is that you?
  • 9 33
flag MtHoodMTB (May 25, 2016 at 7:28) (Below Threshold)
 Stands to reason that if it is the most unstable bike then it's probably not safe.

Can you think of a bike with a more unstable wheelbase?
  • 14 0
 Does this mean we can start making protour jokes again?
  • 31 2
 @Protour: I am very interested to see the evidence behind your statements regarding the design of the Demo 8. Having ridden this bike, as well as previous versions for the Demo and other high-end downhill bikes, i am at a loss as to what exactly you feels causes the concentric pivot to make this bike unstable. The wheel-path of the Demo 8 is not unlike most design wherein the rear wheel arcs forward, effectively shortening the wheelbase. All horst-link bikes will exhibit this same tendency to varying degrees. As well, any bike with a simple single pivot, or linkage activated shock (where the rear wheel is attached directly to the front triangle without a pivot in between) will also have an arcing wheel back which shortens the wheelbase.

The position of the pivot around the BB, versus being above, below, behind or ahead will only slightly change the length of the lever, and therefore the path of the arc. The concentric BB simply allows for a lower center of gravity, something which nearly all manufacturers are trying to achieve with their bikes.

Again, I would be very interested to see the calculations you have performed in determining the Demo 8 to be "the most unstable rear suspension design" The Iron Horse Sunday, with its near vertical wheel path was controversial in its time, and called for a dramatically different riding style to master, yet Sam Hill managed to be quite successful aboard it, and I don't recall anyone ever saying it was "unstable" or unsafe!

looking forward to hearing your empirical evidence on this subject.
  • 9 3
 @Protour: Why do you hate male models Protour?
  • 2 0
 @eljefe75: Oh snap! Good one, thanks for the info!
  • 11 0
 @MtHoodMTB: Listen to yourself. This is madness. With apologies to everyone reading this, HOW are you possibly quantifying 'unstable'? because of a "crash in a race he ''should have won'' ?!? SERIOUSLY? How can you possibly claim with a straight face more people fall off Demo's than any other bike out there. And don't show us your napkin doodles. Give me some facts not opinion.
  • 8 1
 @Protour: It's asinine to present a theory or argument and then say, "See, because I trolled the interweb one morning and nobody had a counter-argument then I'm certainly right." Noob.
  • 2 4
 @gnralized: sorry, meant to up vote. Damn train ride.
  • 20 5
 @WasatchEnduro: those comment threads are such a comment bait and then everyone realizes, this shit train won't get off their Dashboard feed for a week Big Grin Best of the best! Wheelsize debate can't match!Protour is boosting
  • 8 0
 Face it, Loic miscalculated in his run earlier this year and made *gasp* a mistake and blew a corner. He falls in training on his trail bike(read: NOT demo) and try to blame it on a bike he wasn't riding. Very nice thought processing!
  • 4 0
 @Protour: just wondering what kind of bike(s) you own/ride.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: indeed, can't think of a better way to spend my morning commute.
  • 10 1
 @Protour: I'm not going to say the demo is or isn't the most unstable rear end around, I have no quantifiable evidence that supports or debunks that. Its funny to me that you demand others give an example before saying you are wrong, yet you provide no evidence to support that you are correct...hmm...
  • 2 1
 @scott-townes: ha! That's golden! Also, don't front on my KOMs bro!
  • 5 0
 @Protour: please dont feed the trolls
  • 8 47
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 8:01) (Below Threshold)
 @drew-ross
What makes the Demo unstable is that the wheels are moving in nearly opposite directions, when examining the axle paths.

At the very least it compromises traction when using your brakes and makes your front tire more likely to break loose. The radically changing wheelbase also makes the bike unstable through rocwheelbase, making an OTB more likely.
  • 4 0
 I was pulling for bruni too this year.
  • 6 2
 He's gone. Protour has left. He graced us with this presence, dropped some wisdom on all of us, and now he has to leave. Never forget.
  • 6 27
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 8:03) (Below Threshold)
 *rock gardens*
  • 6 2
 @Protour: Hes back!
  • 2 35
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 @gnralized:
Decent theory, but the concentric bb pivot actually wouldn't have as of a negative effect on a trail bike because of the steeper headtube and reduced suspension travel.
  • 15 1
 Hahahaaha, this was a very entertaining a refreshing break from exam revision. Thank you @Protour for being such a comical idiot-hole.
  • 13 0
 @Protour: While i would agree with your statement that the axle paths are moving in opposite directions, i think you over-estimate the amount of forward movement that exists through the sag point. Obviously at full compression the rear end will be quite compressed, but the Demo 8 is not the only bike to exhibit this trait. In fact, most bikes will shorten through the suspension travel. I am confident to say that very few, if any DH bikes have a true rearward axle path. The Devinci Wilson and V-10 do come to mind as bikes that would exhibit and initial rearward path, but both those bikes will cease to move rearward, and being to have a more vertical bath to full compression. I agree that these bikes would feel more stable in some instances, but that does not mean that the Demo is "unstable" because of its traits.

I don't think that our sport is as the point where we can confidently say that any suspension is design is superior to another. The Pro's have shown that any number of different bikes can make it to the top step of the podium. I think Aaron Gwin has proven just that. He has won aboard Trek, Specialized and YT, all of which are bikes that exhibit an arcing forward wheel path, which, if I understand correctly, is the main reason you claim the Demo 8 is an unstable design?
  • 8 3
 @drew-ross: We have gone over this debate and all the points that you made (which are great) with Protour when the first demo came out. Its pointless, he isn't going to listen.
  • 15 0
 @Protour:
Okay, I just ask to believe you.
But IMO, if I listen to you (I know I shouldn't ;-)), all bikes, including motorbikes, are unstable for the same reason, i.e., front axle moving rearward due to fork compression, rear axle moving frontward when becoming higher than main pivot level.
Can you provide us with a comparative study of wheelbase shortening between SAG and full travel (incl. fork effect i.e. function of head angle and fork travel) between different dh bikes, and then quantify how much more shortening the demo undertake in comparison to other bikes?
And in fine if there is a % difference, can you demonstrate a significative (quantifiable) effect of this % difference on bike handling vs. the benefit of a lower CG ?

Good luck, Mr Phelps.
  • 12 0
 Oh dude I just put another coin in...
  • 6 7
 @Protour enjoy being downvoted into oblivion
  • 6 1
 The best thing about being a keyboard warrior... You never fall... Keep on typing @protour
  • 3 1
 Protour lives!
  • 10 0
 So THIS is why people kept wanting Protour back...
  • 11 1
 I love Protour!!!
  • 6 0
 @Rider656: I really have nothing to say, other than wanting to watch this slow-motion trainwreck in my feed for the next week.
  • 5 0
 protour wins most negative points in comments. ever.
  • 2 1
 @Protour: I dare to challenge you to find any DH bike that has "stable" rear triangle.
There's no such as "perfect" bike in this world.

Oh wait a minute.....
It actually exist.

MAKE YOUR OWN "PERFECT" BIKE!!!!
  • 5 0
 @TroubleZone13: he's hilarous. He doesn't even own a bike or follow biking whatsoever. Just trolls pinkbikers. So funny! He's a classic
  • 4 4
 @Protour: @Protour: You are one of those sad SOBs who can't take personal responsibility for your f*ck ups, and blames your equipment for shitty riding situations. Even if a bike had different handling characteristics than another bike, you could see them as a bonus in a different scenario. That rider will have to adjust to the "feel" of the bike and compensate their riding to work with that style. If you crash, you crash. I would hate to get some bullshit email from you if I worked a bike company, blaming me for your flat tire or some crap like that.

You probably had a little crash when you OWNED A DEMO 8 YOURSELF at some point, and can't cope with the fact that it's your f*cking fault you crashed. Deal with it.
  • 7 10
 @Protour: Are you a troll, or just a c*nt? Specialized know what they're doing, there is no point even questioning the demo's capability. It's proven itself already. f*ck off, I never get triggered over posts, but this triggered me so bad lol. Go ride your v10...
  • 14 0
 @Protour: I actually don't think you are as stupid as most of the comments here make out. Its a shame people tend to react to something or someone they disagree with by slinging insults about. I think the fact you even think about these things shows you must be relatively intelligent. However I think on this one you do happen to be wrong.

1) The concentric bb pivot on the demo is indeed very low. However so is the pivot near the dropout, meaning the axle path will actually be very similar to most other FSR or single pivot dh designs out there, barring those with particularly high main pivots. The Trek session for example, which is widely regarded as one of the best all round race bikes should (without actually looking at any real numbers) produce a similar axle path.

2) The axles moving in opposite directions isnt necessarily a bad thing. Yes the wheelbase shrinks, but at least the riders CoG will remain fairly central. On bikes with very rearward axle paths (high main pivots) the rear end grows while the front end shrinks. This causes the riders CoG to effectively move much further forward very quickly, leading to unweighting the rear while and applying all that weight to the front. In my head this is going to cause much more of a problem as the rider has to move their weight around to compensate rather than just staying central and dealing with a momentary shortening of the wheelbase..
  • 14 1
 @drew-ross: and not to mention the same pivot placement and wheel path characteristics of every motocross bike on the planet ;-)

@protour is a special one
  • 54 0
 @Protour Please show me on this doll where the Demo touched you as a child...
  • 1 1
 @gabriel-mission9: maybe a silly question on my part, but doesn't the wheelbase shrink every time the fork is compressed? even more pronounced on a dh bike too..?
  • 9 0
 @Protour: you sir, are a cockwomble
  • 27 0
 Gutted for Bruni. But this is a majestic comeback for Protour, pass the popcorn.
  • 2 3
 @gabriel-mission9: The last time this debate came up, someone linked a graph showing that the new demo had a centimeter less rearward axle movement than the demo that came before it. It still does have more rearward movement than a fixed concentric pivot bike (like a full suspension dirt jumper), but its among the least rearward axle paths of the major bike manufacturers.
  • 7 1
 @gabriel-mission9: I don't think people are calling him stupid because of the claims he is making, I think they are calling him stupid because of his unwavering public crusade despite all the evidence presented to him. If you consider yourself a logical person and "relatively intelligent", you think you'd be open to some outside opinions - especially when they make complete sense.
  • 2 3
 @davetrump: It is not equivalent to compare the demo to a dirt bike. Most dirt bikes have a higher main pivot than any bike barring a Zerode or something similar, plus the rear wheel is powered. It almost helps @Protour 's position to make the comparison.
  • 5 1
 @Protour: hahaha I missed you man 3
  • 7 2
 @Protour: Can I just link this piece www.pinkbike.com/news/what-people-are-riding-whistler-opening-weekend-2016.html and say - look at the number of Demos being ridden in Whistler on the opening weekend and tell me if all the riders are gonna fall off because of their bike? Oh and I'm just gonna leave this from Dirt magazine's review of the Santa Cruz CCV10 "For example the V10 has a lot of chassis movement where the Demo simply gets on with it. To counter that, many say the V10 is a more lively, playful bike than the latter.… and they are quite correct."
Where does that say the Demo suspension is the most unstable?
  • 3 0
 People hate the name, not the bike.
  • 9 30
flag Protour (May 25, 2016 at 11:34) (Below Threshold)
 @ad15:
Of course it does. But the rear wheel moving in nearly the exact opposite direction, as on the Demo, creates a wheelbase that changes more than any other bike.

Thanks for all the compliments, and nice to see all that nobody could come up with a DH bike with more wheelbase instability. Perhaps this wasn't the ideal time to bring up the criticism of suspension design, and I hope Loic's has an effective recovery.
  • 8 0
 @Protour: Giant Glory also has 30mm+ forward, rear axle movement, just like the demo. m.youtube.com/channel/UCAicBI2QJNNrE2j_RkbzjYQ this is where I got my info. Axle path for the glory is in the glory analysis video. Axle path for the demo is in the comments of the "demo vs tues" video.
  • 3 0
 @Protour: Good on you for recognizing what I think was the issue most people took with your commentary. You don't have to like Demo, or Specialized at all for that matter, but this article was about a tough injury to a really well like rider. Pick your spots man. That said, you have been the impetus for an incredibly entertaining morning of thread wars.
  • 17 2
 I must give it to @Protour that I heard an opinion of a frame designer (thousands of people ride bikes he drew up but can't say which company he works for) that Demo has a too much forward axle path. Unfortunately Protour takes this issue to another level. I put 100$ on the fact that V10s axle path shortens the chainstay no more than 5mm compared to a Demo. And people who can feel that should either be ready for first 10 at Fort Bill or get a fkng life.
  • 7 2
 @Protour: @Protour: This is really a downer for the WC season. Was looking forward to some battling between him and Gwin.

None of us know why Loic crashed. But I have to say that the axle path on the Specialized bikes, or pretty much all low pivot bikes sucks. I have owned few Specialized bikes. Vertical to forward arcing axle paths suck at bump absorption and do create instability especially on a DH bike.

But since just about all the bikes on the WC are very close in axle paths, they are all riding on par as far as that goes, except for the Commencal DH V4.

Until you have ridden a higher pivot, you won't know what Protour is speaking of.
  • 2 0
 @torero: @torero: I've not been a pb'er for long enough to know who protour is.i think I'm gonna take a ring side seat and enjoy this!
  • 2 0
 Can I just point out Protour is on 529 total neg props on this thread at 2003 BST. I think that is the definition of touching a nerve of Pinkbike comment sections
  • 2 0
 @Takeshi194: he did, his collarbone..........
Couldn't help myself. Probablym are him all the more determined to hold onto the rainbow stripes.
  • 3 0
 @Protour: He was not riding a Demo at the time of the incident.
  • 9 0
 Do people not realize we crash all the fucking time this sport.
  • 7 0
 @Protour: I don't even care how much I disagree with you on this one, I can now enjoy comment sections again.
  • 4 2
 @peregrinebikes - are you trying to say that high pivot has no trade offs? I mean there are cases where humanity just does one thing wrong, collectively, like producing pennies, which cost to produce than what they are worth but it's not all made this way, there are many reasons why most frames in the world have low pivot. Axle path is not where suspension world ends. Some people talk about how crappy are leverage ratios on most frames, well, it's pretty to tricky to make a huge link which will then provide enough travel for the shock and won't look like death's sickle, while front triangle starts to look like a pregnant woman. It is not so stiff either...
  • 7 3
 He's back !!!! .... I've missed calling someone a cunt for so long !!
  • 2 1
 Guys guys. I remember the name protour from an internet argument years back. Safe to say they're probably just a very good troll. Your covers blown Protour. Everybody can lighten up.
  • 1 0
 @billyboysdad: hahaha man come on. But couldn't agree nonetheless.
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Very good point. There are usually trade-offs to everything. I think a higher pivot bike is better for gravity riding for greater bump absorption leading to more speed through rough sections while having more control.

Yes it is important to get a good leverage ratio. You can get the frame to swingarm plenty stiff. But once you have ridden a significantly higher pivot bike, you see the night and day difference. And it is probably safe to say most people on here have not ridden one.

You do have the lengthening of your wheelbase on a high pivot bike, which is a positive at giving you better stability, but is something in tight turns you may have to adjust too (and usually in tight turns you are not deep in the travel anyways). The positives far out weigh the negatives for this type of riding.
  • 5 1
 @WAKIdesigns and @protour in the same thread, the internet is about to explode, it won't be able to handle such load of ignorant and misinformed comments...
  • 11 1
 On behalf of Canadians everywhere, none of us are like protour.
  • 4 0
 @giantbird: protour isn't human. Basement dweller that fixates on one random thing for years! The meds must not be working
  • 5 0
 I bet if Loic reads these comments, he'll find it very entertaining! I know I did. A sincere thanks to protour.
  • 8 1
 @giantbird: I bet @protour is fairly "normal" away from the keyboard, and is fairly "Canadian" as well. It's pretty easy for an alright dude to appear to be a total douche on a comment thread. FYI-I don't know protour at all, I just think some of the comments about him being a piece of trash and all that stuff is a joke. So he wrote something on the Internet you don't like. Big deal! Debate the point with him, but attacking on a personal level actually seems like a more childish thing than having a general Specialized dislike. Just my 2 cents...
  • 3 1
 @drew-ross: in all fairness, when Sam won at msa, Protours fate still lay in the hands of his father, who wasn't sure weather he should pull out or not. I kinda wish he did.
  • 1 0
 At least Protour made me discover this www.pinkbike.com/photo/12535908
  • 2 2
 @Protour biggest good c*nt ever
  • 1 0
 @VwHarman: nah m8 i agree with you. I was just letting the rest of pinkbike know that most Canadians, or at least the ones i know dont say stuff like that....

Depends what you define as a "normal" person. Any sane person with common sense will know what is publicly acceptable to say. Also I didn't "attack" anyone so calm down, everyone misreads stuff said over the interwebs. No need for everyone to get triggered over a guy thinking he knows something we dont.

I honestly dont know if protour is trolling everyone or not but either way I have my popcorn out because this is damn good bed time reading.
  • 1 0
 You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.. well thats Protour. Providing quality banter for all.
  • 2 0
 @giantbird: Sorry, I kind of blended two thoughts into one comment. First chunk was to you, second half was more geared towards the people higher up suggesting he should die as opposed to comment again and that ilk. After the FYI Bit it was just me being to lazy to make a second comment box! Pinkbike's click counter must love @Protour!
  • 8 3
 Quite frankly there are some people around here who too endulge endless comment threads who are waaaay worse than @Protour. He has a crazy theory and I can sympathize with that, but I'm a patronizing, condescending a-hole, torero can be straight a-hole, mojo-maujer is just possessed, while Badboyleeroybrown just can't handle his ego and waves american flag, convinced he contributes to the great mission of saving the world by being an A-hole to someone on the internet. Protour is easy to laugh at, but I'd ride with him and take a beer with him anyday. If he dropped dead for some reason I'd be sad. Can't say it about some other user here.

It's a family we have here, I love you guys :..(
  • 3 0
 just think this, since world champs, where Brosnan and Gwin crashed Protour was pretty much muted. Then this happens and comes back telling us about the dangers of the demo hahaha that's dedication man.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: long épée straight thru the nape of neck.nice work,very cleanWink
  • 6 0
 @Protour
I very rarely wade into Internet sh*tstorms like this but the laws of physics and geometry would like a word...

Your argument on a concentric pivot greatly shortening wheelbase works....if the chainstay is completely level with the BB, and the chainstay is directly attached to the rear axle. If that's the case the axle has no where to go but forward, creating instability. There's a problem with that argument with the current Demo, it has neither of those attributes.

The chainstay is sloped twords the ground on the demo significantly, AND there is a pivot at that low point. This in conjunction with the axle being a significant height above that pivot BEHIND that pivot may actually move that axle path reaward initially, or at bare minimum in a vertical manner. Because as that chainstay rises when the bike hits a bump, the seatstay linkage will acually rock the axle to the rear of the bike because of the dramatic negative slope of the chainstay becoming level as it goes through its travel.

I'm eyeballing it here, as I don't have a demo sitting in front of me with the shock off, but I can't see how it would work any other way.
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 @BikeKayakSki: we all know. You're right, he'll never give it up and admit he's wrong hahah it's literally been years! Since the demo came out, that prawntour has been whining about it.
  • 6 0
 @makripper: I think it's feckin ace.goes into sleeper mode for 6mths,goes live and all hell breaks loose..feckin magicSmile
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 @BikeKayakSki: When the new demo was announced we had this debate with protour and the very same points you have were also presented, and it had the same effect as trying to take down an elephant with an airsoft gun.

However, someone did link a chart showing that despite the extremely low position of the Horst link, the new demo has less rearward travel than the demo that came before it by about a centimeter. The link had a graph showing chain growth against rear travel, and the new demo had the least reward movement of the major brands shown (I forget what they all were).

My conclusion is that yes, the new demo has rearward movement and chain growth but much less than other bikes. I would strongly prefer more, and while its not going to send everyone over the bars like Protour claims, it does probably get hung up incrementally more in the rough stuff than a higher pivot bike. Gwin and Bruni can can handle it because they run so much compression and very slow rebound, but us mere mortals would be better served by something with more rearward movement.
  • 1 1
 Lets just ride our damn bikes!
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 @hamncheez: Here's a video andrextr made comparing the Tues & the Demo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UFr-WuS6w

It does show a fairly vertical axle path.

I agree that it's not terrible, but that I would rather have a bike with a little more rearward path. Though according to Joe Graney from Santa Cruz, axle path isn't really important anymore: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en/us/news/344
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 @groghunter: In the axle path article Joe Graney is mainly refering to the "S" shaped curve they had or the very minute changes other companies try to market the hell out of but really have no real effect, essentially BS marketing.

Ride a Canfiel Jedi, Commencal DH V4, Zerode, or one of our bikes, and you will see a big difference in how axle path can effect the way your bike responds to bump absorption.
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 @Protour: he wasn't on the Demo when he crashed. Also why bring up this issue here? You should contact specialized about this because we didn't design the bike. I think that would be more effective for your mission to provide safe bikes for you fellow MTB brother and sisters. It's obvious from this thread that you show a lot of respect for your fellow riders and treat them with dignity and integrity. It's a good thing you didn't go down the road of repeating yourself to be right without any quantifiable data. That would be the Internet equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going LALALALA. It's good that you didn't stoop to those childish antics.
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 @Peregrinebikes: The article is pretty clear that his point is that the amount of rearward path available on anything short of a DH bike is of minimal impact, rather than specifically talking about S shapes(I suspect that's why you got hit with downvotes, though to be clear, I didn't contribute to that.)
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 @groghunter: Thanks for not down voting. Being that I have experience on high pivot bikes and the low pivot bikes in the industry, his comment is misleading and untrue if you are interpreting it in the way you seem to be. The physics are basic and proven.

Even for a 4 inch travel bike with an axle path of a high pivot (like our bike, the old Balfa 9, Zerode), you would notice a big difference in bump absorption ability. Now would everyone care to have it, no. But if you are a rider who like to ride fast and hard even when you are on a smaller travel rig, you would proboably appreciate having that bump absorption. Besides the fact that it allows your rear rim to take less of a beating.

There is no current larger bike company offering anything of any significance in terms or rearward travel. To get the benefits, you have to have it high enough to where you have to run an idle gear. And maybe Joe was refering to that situation of trying to have some minute amount of rearward travel at the begining of the arc.
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 @Peregrinebikes: Gt's Trail bikes have very high main pivots, their DH bike not so much. I believe that when you have a high pivot and a lot of travel, the geometry changes too much under compression. This can lead to sudden loss of rear traction during hard cornering. Perhaps rearward axle paths have benefits for straight line speed (however small, you don't see high pivot bikes shooting off into the distance every time there is a bit of rough, nor do they post noticeably higher speed trap results at wc's) but they definitely have their downsides too.Poor cornering being just one of them.
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 @Peregrinebikes: I would argue that Canfield isn't that small anymore, but you're forgetting that the new Commencal Supreme is high pivot, idler pulley.

Commencal isn't small.
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 @Protour: I think, that as a Canadian, you should just apologise.
  • 2 0
 Mfw Vitalmtb names the Demo the downhill bike of the year. Protour why u do dis.
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 @giantbird: so is Dirt
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 @gabriel-mission9: GT's trail bikes are not significantly high. They would have to run an idle gear to deal with the chain growth that occurs.

You are correct that there are tradeoffs between the two. I personally have not felt that the cornering ability of my high pivot set up is a glaring issue. Before i even rode a high pivot bike these were some of the negatives you hear people talk about. I have found I can rail a berm just as fast. You just learn to position your body weight maybe a little differently.

I do not claim that a high pivot bike is going to make you 10x faster. But it will improve your personal bests simply because they rollover terrain quicker with less resistance, easy proven physics. Isn't this the argument for bigger wheels? And there are tradeoffs to that too isn't there? Bigger wheel may roll over stuff quicker, but they are heavier, not as strong, less agile. So you as a rider pick what you want to deal with.

I would rather ride a 26" high pivot, than a 27.5 or 29" low pivot. The 26" high pivot rolls over hits better than a bigger well low pivot. I have experienced it.
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 @groghunter: I mentioned them in the previous response to your comment.
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 @TroubleZone13: my guess is that @protour 's ideal dh bike is a Canfield Jedi. 8in of vertical travel, 3in rearward travel.
  • 1 0
 @verbilim read this thread
  • 1 0
 @protour yeah but he crashed on his trail bike lol
  • 1 0
 @Tonyster2: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Nice...
  • 1 1
 @voyd: SERIOUSLY? After all this we find out he wasn't even riding a demo lol? Classic...
  • 2 0
 Jesus wept
  • 118 0
 Faaaark. I was so amped for the Gwin-Bruni battle this season Frown
  • 12 2
 twenty shitty sixteen!
  • 45 0
 I was amped for a bruni, Gwin, and smith battle this season.
  • 7 0
 @scotttherider: Me too. Rough year. Go Brosnan!
  • 4 0
 my exact thought. stevie on form, out (sigh). loic on form, injured. i hope brosnan and fearon and bryceland can step up and take a 1st to keep this season interesting. otherwise its all gwin + YT.
  • 2 0
 @ccolagio: yeah man. Really hoping Fearon gets his win this year. I had high hopes for him this season.
  • 66 3
 I don't know who to cheer for anymore.
  • 175 6
 That shaggy haired, gnarly dude who lives on a canal boat, vermin man? can't remember his name...
  • 27 9
 @Jack-McLovin: Nah, can't root for him since his Gee-man antics Wink
  • 13 1
 Fearon or ratboy
  • 43 4
 Hart is the man. I want to see him on the top step at ft bill.
  • 6 1
 @Patrick9-32: Hart seconded.
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flag JMBMTB (May 25, 2016 at 5:08) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: he was talking about the world cup bud, think you're thinking of the BDS
  • 27 1
 Brosnan
  • 9 5
 @BeardlessMarinRider: that's the reason I started rooting for him. Keep the rowdy in mountain biking. **swings dick in your face**
  • 3 0
 I root for all of them, I don't know of a one I wouldn't have a blast shredding with (if I could keep up).
  • 39 2
 MERDE! Frown
  • 3 1
 Agreed!!!!
  • 6 1
 Putain de merde!
  • 9 0
 SACRED BLUE
  • 20 1
 Noooooo! I assume it must have been some dreaded kryptonite rocks to take out the SuperBruni!

Take your time and heal up properly Loic, your destiny will wait ☺️
  • 9 0
 Could have been. According to @Protour, it was the flexy rear end of the demo he wasn't riding that day..
  • 19 0
 @VwHarman: The axle path moves so far forward that it travels forwards in time, The accident actually happened two weeks ago due to riding a demo, it just took Buni two weeks to catch up to it
  • 3 0
 @groghunter: Hahaha excellent. Picturing a temporal displacement opening every time the bike goes full compression.
  • 3 0
 @groghunter: Ha! Thats awesome! I hadn't thought of the time travel aspect...
  • 19 0
 This year is getting dangerous! I m gonna hide now and pop up just in 2017. C ya guys! Keep criticizing the industry trends for me please!!!
  • 3 0
 Every time I see a riders name in a headline I flinch. A collarbone is better than death at least.
  • 24 6
 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo So i hope Troy will ruin the Gwin-Party.
  • 17 4
 Pretty sure a year ago everyone was gwin fanboys and now everyone wants him to be the loser. Seriously wtf. I'm guessing once Loic will dominate for a year or so, people will want him to be replaced too? I'm confused with your mentality people. I'm also ready for the neg props because people often don't like the truth.
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 @pigit77: It's a valid comment, and worth an up vote for having the balls to write it, especially whilst @protour is paying us a visit and everyone's neg prop fingers are itchy as f*ck. There'll always be glory hunters and glory haters and internet zombies who can't think for themselves and just blindly follow the herd, but somewhere in amongst that lot there's more than enough of us that appreciate the riders for doing what they do. For me, if it's a good race I'm happy for whoever wins. Especially if it's Ratboy Wink Proper gutted for Loic though.
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 @pigit77: Meh, I never liked him much. Too much God stuff. God probably made Bruni crash so Gwin can win.
  • 2 1
 @krissboo: haha protour is out of hibernation eh? I agree with you....and I support anyone who wins except maybe Gee. Lol. I just love people who appreciate biking, who get pumped, represent the sport in a positive way and just have a blast. Ratboy is the perfect example Wink
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 @pigit77: I kinda know what you mean about Gee but I've always thought he is just trying to be professional. Though sometimes he does come across as moody, I've got no problems with him doing well. In fact I ain't gonna hate on any of them for doing what they do. Even Gwin deserves a bit of love (just a bit though). I'm just glad there's so many different riders we can watch and appreciate.
  • 17 2
 I was half seen it... Those speeds are insanely dangerous, one bad movement and you are done for the season... Heal up quick Loic! We want more Super Bruni!!
  • 9 1
 Ya se vio en Lourdes..., demasiado rápido como para no caer.
  • 4 6
 sí el tio iba pasao de vueltas, y asi tarde o temprano acabas mordiendo el polvo, lo que no entiendo es que no haya nadie cerca que le aconseje.
  • 1 1
 @Benito-Camelas: optieven, gauw!!
  • 9 0
 Maybe I'm a little late to the party that is modern DH racing and modern MX, but where has all the real body armor gone to??
Back in the day, all MX racers were sporting the latest in chest, arm, knee and shin protection. Like football padding but light, breathable and super high tech. I had a mesh suspended plastic shoulder pad absolutely save me from a broken collarbone. Because I almost broke it.. Almost every full contact sport is armored up mostly to protect them from another guy- that's completely armoured up.
We go cartwheeling down canyons at speed with nothing more than the latest jersey... I don't get it. At least for DH.
ExMxEr.
  • 3 0
 I agree! We wear very little compared to other disciplines. I wore more when skating vert, and a lot more when riding motorcycles. I have the hardest time with the preference for low tops in DH. It seems like ankle support is an after thought. OTOH, finding a pair of elbow pads that don't turn your hands blue can be kind of tough. LOL
  • 12 1
 Poor Bruni, Heal up fast dude! Is this the curse of the rainbow jersey?
  • 9 0
 Step up Danny Hart,and who doesn't want to see Conner Fearon on the top step ?
  • 5 0
 Just goes to show that in this sport the fastest guy doesn't always win. So many factors come into play, staying healthy, not flating out, etc...... Hope he comes back strong soon and adds some excitement to the season. Oh, and by the way.... protour you're a fucking retard. Didn't see Gwin or Troy having any problems on that bike.
  • 4 0
 I was hoping for a battle between Gwin and Loic. But in the absence of Loic, I'd love to see Gwin with a 4th World Cup title. Not too many people with those running around. I would also love to see Minaar take a 4th. And heal fast Loic cause your boy Loris is getting stronger by the day.
  • 8 0
 I thought it would be a 3-way between Stevie, Gwin,and Bruni. Its been a bummer year.
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: Couldn't have said it better!

STILL GUTTED from losing Stevie.
  • 5 1
 Noooo Way!!! Can't believe this... It was such a nice competition this year for WC overall with his first win.... Dammit Take your time and get back, better than ever. Courage Loic!
  • 4 0
 Hope he takes his time getting back on the bike, concussions are no joke and something the mtb community might want to take more seriously.
  • 2 0
 esp after hearing that dave mirra had CTE when he died...
  • 2 0
 It's obvious that people like @protour are just asshats and Loic is a world class gladiator that knows the high stakes and hazards of the sport he loves. Loic will be back in no time crushing it hard and @protour will still be in his mom's dimly lite basement pounding out trash. Get well soon Loic !
  • 4 0
 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
  • 3 0
 Currently laid up with a multi break in my collar bone too. I feel his pain of being laid up from biking. It's alright he will be back stronger!
  • 2 0
 what!!! another bad news for this year, heal up loic, i hate the scheduling of the world cup this year, that big gap between races kept the boys away from the DH bikes(safest bike)....
  • 1 0
 Bruni: In light of Steve Smith's recent death, how do you navigate the risks of downhill biking? do you ride 100% all the time or are there times when you don't believe the risk is worth it. did your philosophy change when you became the world champion, or when you won in Cairns?
can't wait to see you back at it!


@Protour:
with all due respect, your stability theory is extraordinarily simplified, and personally I believe a bit of a red herring.
nearly all bikes (with the exception of the canfield and similar, have forward sloping wheel paths. While true the demo is the most extreme of the common bikes (demo, v10, gambler, devinci). It is only some 8mm more, over 208-213mm of rear wheel travel. with this in mind, what specific reason do you say the demo is "unstable"? in what circumstances do you believe it would be unfavorable or "unstable"

I believe it would be more prudent to analyze the weight shift as a function of wheel travel. as to reduce weight transfer forward or backwards when compressed. with that in mind the rear wheel should move forward as a proportion to COM location, to the front wheel move moving backwards. forinstance: I personally ride a weight distribution of about 67% on the rear. the fork moves 112mm rearward. so to maintain that percentage when compressed, the rear wheel has to move forward about 55mm (where the demo moves 37.25mm). The demo would have a weight transfer of about 1% while a v10 would be 3%. a canfield would be 7.5%

the idea that the stability of a bicycle would be a function of any single parameter is obtuse even for extremely simplified vehicle stability analysis. when we are incorporate wheel path, IC, CC, anti-squat, anti-dive, brake forces, chain forces, damping, spring forces as well as human input we are looking at unsolvable nonlinear partial differential equations.
  • 5 0
 Too bad for the WC seson. Come back fast and fast, Loic!
  • 3 0
 aaah, so sad for Bruni right now!!! at least he can keep his head up and own it when he's back!!
  • 1 0
 Hell, Loic, get heal soon! Sorry to read about it, he is one of my favorite riders just because is always pushing to his limits. What a pity, right now he was starting getting important results.
  • 2 0
 This is terrible news! Looks like Gwin will be back on top for the rest of the season. No Bruni, no Smith and no one else can touch him now Eek
  • 2 0
 Ride as fast as he does and you are going to have some nasty crashes. This sucks, Gwins two closest competitors are no longer a factor this year. RIP Stevie and heal up Loic.
  • 3 0
 well this is just sh....t
  • 3 1
 I'm definitely counting him for another gold medal on the legendary Italian hillside in September.*
  • 3 0
 WTF Is wrong with 2016 so far??
  • 5 0
 I know getting injured f**king sucks but breaking your collarbone is still pretty "banal" compared to the other events of 2016..
  • 9 5
 Trump will get elected, I can see it.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: As opposed to Clinton or Sanders? The deck is stacked, the options suck. Laugh at them and go for a ride.
  • 2 1
 @westeast: I am just watching it unfold. I don't care who wins Wink
  • 2 1
 Allez Lolo on est avec toi! (PS: on est a Biot demain a 15h si tu veux passer Wink Gueri vite! (on est des potes de Carla et Mathilde!)
  • 2 0
 I was so excited to watch him race. He rides so close to the edge. If Loic isn't first, he probably crashed.
  • 1 0
 That's no good!. I was really looking forward to an amazing battle between him and Gwin. Healing vibes Loic and hopefully you'll recover quickly and be ripping soon!
  • 1 0
 I'm gutted to hear this news Louic! You've been killing it this season and have been one of the most exciting riders to watch by far!! Wishing you a speedy recovery!!
  • 3 0
 Tabarnak.

Prompt rétablissement.
  • 3 0
 Damn, Bruni vs Gwinn was going to be an epic battle.
  • 1 0
 dude rides bikes really really fast and crashes all the time. he'll be fine. definitely still ahead of the game with a conked noggin and a broken collarbone.
  • 1 0
 Holy sh!t pinkbike users. Just down vote the troll, wish Loic a quick recovery and move on. Don't try to argue with the crazies.
  • 3 0
 Fuck! Get well, Mate.
  • 2 0
 Who do you think will be the winner in this season?
  • 13 1
 I'd love to see Troy take the overall (currently 2nd in points), though my head says Gwin... if he can just find that final piece to the puzzle, I think Troy has what it takes to go all the way. Bummer for Bruni though, hopefully he'll be fit for Val Di Sole to defend his WC jersey!
  • 7 5
 Shit ! this destroy my fantasy league !
  • 2 0
 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Guess I'm rooting for Fearon!
  • 2 0
 Sorry to hear it Loic, heal fast and proper, love watching you ride.
  • 2 0
 Lame sauce as it feels this year is being handed to Gwin
  • 1 0
 @Protour: I stopped reading when you failed to spell 'too' correctly. (much-to-low).
Failed ,,repeat the year.
  • 1 0
 Wish you this: be the recovery faster than you ! Soit fort. Ciao depuis Finale Ligure
  • 1 0
 GET WELL SOON DUDE WE ARE MISSING YOU ALREADY, CAN-T WAIT TO SEE YOU RIDING AGAIN AND SHREDDING SUPER HARD YOUR BIKE.
  • 2 1
 Nooooo! This sucks, it's hard to see anyone but Gwin for the over all now, unless he has similar shit luck.
  • 3 4
 but the question is : WHO WILL STOP GWIN ? someone spoke to me about some guys named "Flaty Taillers" and "Tcheng Leiss" ... hope they are riding very fast. But not sure that they will stop him.
  • 2 0
 That Sux! Focus on the World Champs Loic, 2 years running!
  • 3 0
 2016 can suck it.
  • 2 0
 Just slow down a tad & dont crash groms
  • 1 0
 My goodness with these long breaks (no pun intended) between races he should be back racing soon.
  • 1 0
 Gutted about Loic....... gutted, gutted, gutted !!! Protour cheered me up a little though...... thanks Protour
  • 3 1
 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck !!!!!
  • 2 0
 Heal up man!!
  • 1 0
 Was really looking forward to watching him at Fort William Frown
  • 12 13
 It has to be the karma punishing Specialized for being that company. Take a look at Soderstrom, Graves, now Loic....Watch out Troy and Coastal Crew!
  • 21 1
 It's bad karma from all the ebikes that they're pushing
  • 10 8
 Rumor has it that Spec will release a twin E-motor E-bike and call it Trump.
  • 4 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Only available in the color orange, no doubt
  • 3 3
 @matadorCE: the e-Trump only has enough orange paint for the downtube, but they will try to brush it over anyway. The battery will also be too small, but they will assure that "there's no problem"
  • 9 3
 It's called the Specialized Trumphumper, dummy
  • 6 4
 @terashred: "Trumphumper" hahahahaha - you should patent this comment Big Grin
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Yes it will excel at jumping over walls but they will cease production due to warranty issues with weird hairline fractures
  • 3 3
 @metaam: imagine it being made of Trump hair. The Trump Fiber!
  • 1 0
 Dam Loic Heal up fast bro and right 100%
  • 1 0
 Healing vibes u French madman
  • 2 0
 Oh balls
  • 1 1
 Damn I was lovin the gwinn bruni rivalry that was injecting life into the the UCI show
  • 3 5
 Sorry Bruni, even as a World Champ, Specialized won't be contributing to your medical expenses. Pretty sure you need to be CEO of the company, Nobel Peace prize winner, or elected Prime Minister in order to get covered.
  • 1 0
 I'm sure he has insurance that covers this. As well there is a very good healthcare system in France.
  • 1 0
 OK no I am really not watching anymore World Cup DH (After losing Stevie)
  • 2 0
 Healing vibes Bruni!
  • 1 0
 Bummer! Speedy recovery, Loic!
  • 1 0
 heal up quick, and feel better!
  • 1 1
 Heal up quick Loic, would be pretty sweet to come back just to steal the rainbow stripes for next season as well!
  • 1 0
 Shit buzz heal up well Loic Smile
  • 1 0
 Get well soon! You're the bestSmile #rainbow
  • 2 2
 All this typical PB keyboard warrior BS aside, wishing this true MTB warrior a speedy recovery!
  • 1 0
 Broken bones suck but concussions suck big time. Heal up my friend.
  • 1 0
 Just ride your damn bikes kids
  • 1 0
 @Protour
You sir.
Are a bag of floppy dicks.
  • 1 0
 now its between Gwin and Brosnan
  • 1 0
 Man this post has as much roasting as a rice gum video
  • 1 0
 Healing vibes, from sunny California.
  • 1 0
 get well soon!!!healing vibes from vorarlberg!
  • 6 5
 Specialized strikes again
  • 3 2
 Shitty for loic, good for gwin.
  • 2 0
 rest and heal well bro!
  • 1 0
 That's not good! Trying to nurse a broken foot myself!
  • 2 2
 Hey guys ! Without Bruni the first step of the podium is anew free !... Good recovery champion !
  • 1 1
 Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! God speed pinner frog! We all want you back ASAP!
  • 1 0
 Not happy about this...our sport is very very dangerous...be safe riders!
  • 2 0
 Gutted for Loic~~~ Frown
  • 1 0
 @Patrick9-32: Yep Danny is good root!
  • 1 0
 I'm just going to leave this here
goo.gl/Bb0hOV
  • 2 1
 Shit Fire! gutted!
  • 1 0
 Nooooooo, Heal up soon
  • 1 0
 Damnit, hurry back loic.
  • 1 2
 If im a worldcup driver i would drive with this injury. Im shure he will be back sooner as expected.
  • 1 0
 Heal well, heal soon!
  • 1 0
 Stink
  • 5 6
 There s no competition anymore , Gwin is left alone on top of the pack !! :/ heal up quick lolo!
  • 4 1
 And Brosnan.
  • 1 0
 @torero: correct
  • 8 0
 Brosnan, Ratboy, Minaar, Gee, Fearon, Hart plus a few others are more than capable of mounting a decent challenge to Gwin.
  • 1 0
 @HankBizzle: I think Redburn is trying to take some of the negative glory that @Protour is having with that comment.
  • 1 0
 This is a BUMMER!
  • 2 1
 Damn 2016 s_cks..
  • 1 2
 Now others have a chance to win.... so sad !







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