[UPDATED] Elite Finals Results & Overall Standings from the Snowshoe DH World Cup 2023

 congrats to the Irish

 

 An amazing couple of rides

 an Irish invasion

 Gaf will be wrecked

 @mtbcyclist: mental mental mental. I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue.

 The best thing to happen inDH for 10 years ! UCI stock your protected rider status ip yet fucking arse ! Evering kid breaking in the the sport deserves a level playing field .fuck the UCI

 From a country with hills and where DH nearly faded away a few years ago.. just unbelievable.. it's fantastic to see!

 Amazing race. So pleased for the guys, an Irish 1 - 2. Brilliant and well deserved. Must get out to Wicklow some time soon and sample some of the great riding you guys have.

 Yeeeooo.... well done lads...

 Late late St. Patrick's Day! Congrats

 May the winds of fortune sail you, May you sail a gentle sea. May it always be the other guy who says, 'this drink's on me.'

 The greatest day in Irish DH history, is all

 @Theshanem: was dying to see Amhrán Na bhFiann on the podium, wish they showed it.

 History my boy, history

 Two men with the choke out around their ankles! Unreaall!

 And chance Dakota Naart’n might have some Irish blood/mud in the veins?

 @mtbcyclist: couldn't believe how little they showed of Oisin's podium (instead playing some shitty montage) and of him celebrating his win (instead just filming Bruni slump on his bike). Pretty disrespectful to a race winner, especially first time

 @ODY89: complete and utter joke that was. Once again the vloggers & edbullmedia saved the day for the reactions.

 Slainte !

 Yeah. Rick has quite the habit of cutting Aaron off mid sentence

 I agree. Rick asks a question of Aaron, Aaron starts to answer but then Cedric gets jealous or is just very slow in compiling his thoughts that he is just always behind and has to interrupt.

 Can Rick and Cedric just stfu please.

  Gwinn usually saying something interesting but Rick just has to talk over him with an early split time, we can see the split too rick!

 @vpfree2009: Sounds like he'd make for a great radio reporter then, for all of us following the racing on our FM transistor radio.

 I'm not the only one who noticed. So annoying

 @vpfree2009: bag for me ,bag for you let’s get wrecked on bags of glue

 Gwinn for the win w/ another performance confirming he's born for the commentary box! And hats off to Discovery for pulling in Moi Moi for guest trackside appearance: both Jack & Aaron have ability to think on their toes and bring wit & wealth of knowledge with that "right on time" delivery. Rick seems like he could adapt to yield Aaron mic time he deserves, but Cedric got worse vs the last time the three of them shared the box: dude just spouts & shouts too much.

 Ric is rude. Cut price commentator also..

 @powturn: I thought the commentary was way cringe when they had Carlson, Moi Moi and then some rando journalist who was obviously way more live camera experienced. She absolutely slapped moi moi's pecker over his "Gotta have the balls to..." comment. He was down for the count for a good two minutes on live broadcast.

 There was a hero trail side carrying a placard saying Cedric’s commentary sucks, in both English and French. I’m guessing that didn’t make the broadcast.

 Amen! This was bugging me too. Aaron is the only one bringing real value to the commentary.

 @scott-townes: I don't think it's a fundamentally bad idea to have a professional broadcaster/commentator as one of your hosts - and Ric is at least a relatively passionate amateur rider. Most professional commentating for other sports uses a combination of a professional commentator and an subject matter expert (pro). Why should DH be any different?

 He does it on the XC broadcast to Bart too - constantly talking over each other. Never happened with Warner and Bart hasn’t changed so it’s Ric for sure.

 I've found the best way to watch is with the french commentary. I only understand one or two words per sentence, so I have no idea if the commentary is good or bad! Hearing Ric and Cedric made me not want to watch the racing at all before I switched.

 I think these two saw the writing on the wall when Aaron got in the booth for the first time. Let along when he got invited back…

 @vpfree2009: Ric needs to go

 @jayacheess: Because Ric is terrible, Snowshoe, West Virginia repeated endlessly does not a commentator make

 @jayray32: Cedric did the French commentary for RB

 @scott-townes: Ric does not have an English accent

 @jayacheess: I think this is indeed part of the issue. Compared to many other sports/ broadcasts, MTB has had so much more of a "from the riders to the riders" feel, that changing to a more mainstream format feels wrong to many. Like we're* used to seeing presenters with their smart casual attire in road cycling, but now instead of Tracy Hannah doing interviews in her sponsor T-shirt there's Kate Mason hosting in a blazer and it just looks out of place. It'll feel normal in a few years, but at this point it's still completely unacceptable, with _our_ sport.

*Of course I'm not suggesting anyone here would actually be watching road cycling, it's totally lame.

 @scott-townes: Cos everything not American is English?

 I remember watching a show a while back somewhere where Warner admitted his commentary was shit before he got some coaching, and one of the biggest pieces of feedback he received from this coach was about leaving space for the viewer to form thoughts of their own, within a run, and over the broadcast as a whole. He also brought such a sense of calm to those middle broadcast minutes where podium spots swap every couple of runs, and it really helped build the excitement for those final runs that are actually meaningful to the podium finishes. By comparison listening to Rick and Cedric feels like some kind of exercise in noise saturation, where every available second is filled with high volume content that has to be digested as fast as possible, in expectation of receiving another, and another, and another. It's fucking relentless, and honestly, I felt exhausted after watching even one session. I can only handle it when Gwin joins and his welcome drawl cadence slows things down a notch. Just chill out a bit, and you'll nail it fellas.

 @scott-townes: what did rick do to your feelings lol

 @scott-townes: Accent and dialect are different things
He speaks English, with an Irish accent
They speak Spanish, with a Colombian accent

You speak English, with an American accent (I dunno, they all just sound the same to me...)

 7 rounds in and Cedric still hasn't grasped the terminology of being up or down on time. If it's too difficult just say ahead or behind. To compound the error Ric used the same incorrect terminology during semis. They want to educate new viewers about suspension and tyre inserts, but can't even get rudimentary phrasing right.

 @jayray32: Yep, we switched to german at the beginning of the season, it is pretty decent.
But for Snowshoe we mixed it up a little, we tried Hungarian (very interesting, we might have understood like two words of everything ), then Cesky, and then we stuck to Greek, which we understood like a few words maybe, that are similar in Polish, but the guy was really mellow, and when he didn't have anything to say he was just silent, didn't try to fill the void with word salad like Rick does

 @FredFreeRideGang: They should have a non native speaker doing the commentary for all territories.....so we all hate it equally.
The French get Ratboy!

 couldnt agree more. i watched the semi finals of i think it was Les Gets? or another french world cup and i just wanted to hear what Aaron had to say. Let him talk!

 is he even old enough to drink in the states?

 @curtiscycles: no need for legality as the moonshine flows heavy round those parts.

 @snomaster: haha I dont think any law could get between that man and a drink tonight

 @scott-townes: new hampshire! Maple syrup! Shutup clown

 @pargolf8: Yawn, another immature jab by another Pinkbike gaper.

 But what was the reason for Discovery to bring in quest commentators? They have contracts with Rick and Cedric and they are trying to save face because they know they can't fire Rick or Cedric. But Rick does an ok job. So if it was Rick and Aaron I think most would be pretty happy with the broadcast. Mass respect to Cedric for his riding and injuries he has overcome but he has always been known for more of a partier than someone to take serious.

 @dhrracer: Agree with Rick and Aaron. It feels like three is just too many in the booth, especially given that Aaron is there to provide what Cedric currently isn't. In time they would find the vibe and timing. Maybe if Dak and Seth keep it up, Aaron can just run the team and do this. But that would likely be a pay cut overall. Dude also still has the passion for racing, even if he hasn't been fully up to speed on the WC level.

 @lwkwafi: I imagine Aaron really just wants to get back on the bike. This is nice filler in the meantime but there are still tracks to be put down.

 @dhrracer: opportunity given that gwin isn’t racing at the moment

 @toddonbike: this. It’s just an easy payday for gwin whilst he can’t race

 @dhrracer: ew dude, Ric does an alright job? Are you a newer rider or viewer of the sport?
Not trying to be a total asshat, but Ric is a clown. If you actually listen to what he’s saying it is worthless crap.

 ... no need for Ricky either, just leave Aaron. Maybe add Rob

 @rms195: Rob, AG and Elliot on the ground would be an all time combo. with guest appearances from Eddie, Jack and Wyn to give folks a break

 @Benson82: would love to see that

 I think what makes the broadcast a bit weird is when cedric gets super stoked on someone doing a skid or having some speed trap, especially when it interrupts something substantial one of the other guys was saying

 I like the drone shots. In principle. But the last time I saw video quality this bad is downloading porn with a 28k modem in the 90s

 @Trailsoup: back when we all thought “buffering” was a new position.

 No. I’m loving the stones and think Aaron is a great addition to the team. I bet he cost a lot to have in the booth

 @rms195: So would I, but we wouldn't get race day vlogs as good as they are. I fear Moi Moi TV might be lacking tonight....

 @Trailsoup: I would think trying to broadcast live 4k footage into a live TV broadcast on top of a moving drone through a forest up a mountain is still pretty difficult?

 The drone saves discovery $$$$. This is low budget production.

 Some of the drone footage has been cool, but it really didn’t work for this race.

 @CantClimb : But helps them cover more of the track than Redbull ever did. And Gwin said he liked it because it was able to show how you are riding certain parts of the track.

 @theboypanda: should've put more fixed cameras in then.

 @KolaPanda: it’s not the skid. It’s desperately trying to get the bike slowed down to make the corner without crashing

 @KolaPanda: Ric doesn’t say anything ‘substantial’…he says meaningless droning garbage and worse yet….repeats himself constantly. Complete clown.

Cedric can get over excited and is annoying at times, but at least he’s the real deal and a legend of the sport.

I’ll take AG and Cedric and cut Ric 10000%

 @nvranka: to be fair , if you can commentate of a race for 4 hours about the same track and not repeat yourself! You need to send your CV to discovery. All 3 called the race pretty well I thought...it's not perfect but commentary ever is!

 @theboypanda: bro if you listen to him you’ll know what I mean. I understand things get repeated, but he just says canned nonsense that could apply to any rider and best case doesn’t add anything of value.

He sounds like a total gaper

 @theboypanda: preach

Id love to see pink bike commentators do better. Juniors, semis and finals both mens and womens. It’s impossible not to repeat yourself.

Additionally they are clearly commenting for new viewers. Ric explains stuff we all already know. Then they have gwin to comment on things closer to the riders like Eliott used to.

Im defo an outlier because i enjoy the commentary and im happy to have awesome racing on

 ....

 @rms195: Jack Moir And Eddie Masters!

 @theboypanda: dude literally said "Snowshoe, West Virgina" twice in the first two minutes of the first male finals rider.

 @theboypanda: A fair point when commentators try to talk as much as auctioneers. A solution could be to allow silences, punctuated by noteworthy observations or extended discussions of relevant points. For most of the race, I'd prefer to just listen to the fans and the sweet sounds of expensive machinery being smashed.

 We need more focus on team managers during race runs, 'cause that's what everyone really wants to see.

 @commental: Definitely!


Whoever came up with the idea of showing the managers mid run instead of the riders, needs to get a foot in the a*s and then get fired.

 Yeah it's always super impressive to watch someone run away and win most the races but it's far more exciting as spectator for a new winner every race!

 But just to clarify, it's been an awesome season in spite of Discovery, not because of Discovery.

 It's been exciting to watch but it seems like lots more season-ending injuries then usual so semis doesn't look too good for the riders...

 I agree with you. Despite of all broadcast mistakes, the races, the tracks and the riders in this year are on another level! Every race this year had one different winner in men's elite. This is a real COMPETITION!!!

 Must be a weird coincidence that there's a new race format this year and so many people winni g races that have never won before

 @Lanob: also , Pierron who won lots of races was out all season

 Yep all these pinkbike haters are the ones actually ruining things for themselves

 Yeah I've been watching the Rugby World cup, epic French crowds singing at random low ranking games, all the Irish singing in their games. Just all round great atmosphere. Then flick over to watch the DH livestream and even at snowshoe that normally goes off and the crowd were noisy, it just seemed dull in comparison.

 Couldn't agree more.
If that was Rob Warner and his country mens first time winning it would of been unapologetic celebration and great broadcasting (Danny hart etc..) and rightly so ...

Rick claims to be Irish when it suits but I'm not so sure

 @vpfree2009: His pronunciation of Oisín is fairly telling of just how Irish he is

 Because the don’t care about the racing or the sport they care about marketable personalities and superstars. If you go back and watch Richie’s run they used cameras no one else got, and showed the full run for a guy dropping like 5th or 6th in finals. Only the top 5, 20 riders later, got the same time. Throughout the season they have cut into other riders runs to do post run interviews with Greg. Whittling it down through semis is another way to try to just showcase the big names. It’s shitty.

 @pisgahgnar: It definately is. They only seem to care about the select few and have their favourites for sure. Just give everyone the time they deserve. Others are struggling to get sponsors etc and all they care about is the same favourite riders. Do we need to see Bruni get a hug at the bottom when the Irish lad won his first World Cup!!

 Plus they were interviewing a female racer (can't remember who) during the men's trophy presentation! What on earth!!!

 It kind of ruined the moment for me. Even if the audio was unbroadcastable they could have given us some more vision of two childhood friends celebrating a 1-2, but no: let's all stare at Loic.

 @vpfree2009: in Ric's defence, he doesn't direct the broadcast and he can't slag it off live on air either. He kind of had to work with what he had. He wasn't shy about yelling for the Irish lads on track.

 Yeah just so disrespectful to the winners. I'm a bit sick of the elitism that's emerging. Celebrate Bruni when he wins, which he does a lot, but don't fucking mourn like some fallen god when he crashes. It was Oisin and Ronan's career highlight, childhood best friends 1 and 2 at a world cup, and instead of seeing them celebrate we have to watch Specialised team all look sad. These broadcasts aren't getting better

 Seriously everyone acting like someone died...

 @philipmcm: Big downbuzz lmao, Warner would be losing his mind.

 I was thinking the same with the broadcast, the cameras focusing on Bruni instead of following the first time winners. And then cutting to some compilation video instead of showing the champagne celebrations for the men's podium, I'd much rather actually see the guys enjoying themselves instead of both.

 Buzz made the trip south after the US Open

 @donimo: I didn’t see it, but did they get champagne? They are under age in the US, so maybe they couldn’t show them drinking?

 I have never seen such an icy atmosphere. Such a contrast with Les Gets.

 Couldn't agree more. What a race run by the young Irish, I find this broadcasting company so bias and seem to only care about the select few. Yes Bruni crashed, glad he is ok but how about showing the celebrations of the winners! They only seem to care about Bruni and Specialized, do we really need to see the whole Specialzed crew hug Bruni! Show the true winners.

 @mitochris: They did, yeah, there are photos and videos of the champagne showers on social media. Unfortunately I find it totally plausible the reason is just what you said, and having a 20-year-old winner. (Ronan being 21 already.) Still, a weird move, with no explanation on the broadcast or anything, almost looked like a mistake cutting in with the montage too quickly. Maybe prepare with a couple of non-alcoholic bottles for the podium, with several top tier riders currently being under 21? (Of course the riders themselves might oppose this.) Like said, a weird move nonetheless, it's not like they can keep it hidden "kids" were doing shoeys on the podium.

In general, on GCN+ you can choose from two stream options, one that "includes the live show" and one without. In the beginning of the season I used to choose the live show one, assuming that had _everything_ in it. And indeed it has the "extra" interviews and guest hosts (apparently Moir this time, Pierron in France etc.), BUT it doesn't show the full podium ceremonies with champagnes or (all) top rider interviews, instead cutting to those quest chats during those. I'm assuming the hosted version would be the one they're showing on Eurosport/ Discovery, so maybe they're so used to cutting the celebrations out of the broadcast anyway they didn't think it would even be missed.

 @donimo: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

They have been cutting into segments at odd times all season. Honestly it just seems like a bunch of amateurs running production. Ronan has been in the podium in snowshoe before, and Red Bull showed the whole thing champagne and all.

 If you see hiiimm..!

 Eireann go Bbbrrraaappp!!!

 When was the last Irish DH win? let alone a 1/2.

 @on-the-move: There's never been a 1-2, at least that I know of.

 @on-the-move: never been an elite mens Irish winner. I think Ronan only got the first Irish podium in snowshoe last year.

 @mtbcyclist: Freaking unreal. So an Austrian first, an Irish first, 3rd Canadian gets theirs. Jordan wins the first elite race he enters. What else have I missed. The new format sure has shaken things up.

 @BitsNBobs: Nice - this deserves more credit.

 @BitsNBobs:

 @on-the-move: what a season, anybody's game and the overall is still a fight for the top 3 and even Finn could have a miracle.

 @mtbcyclist: let it be remembered that Ben Reid officially won every world cup practice session he entered, we have video evidence!

 @BitsNBobs: you better believe I'm stealing that

 Thought exactly the same!

 MSA next weekend should beautiful. Leaves should be popping by then.

 Yeah I feel like they've started to do it more and more every race. The only time today it made any sense was with Kolb's run, when pretty much the whole Atherton team seemed to be there watching and actually excited, but seeing some nameless, often way too stone-faced team managers mid run definitely doesn't add to my enjoyment.

 They have taken the cue from the stupid Netflix Drive to Survive show for Formula One. They do the same thing showing team bosses and wives etc in the garage every 5 seconds. It’s as if someone feels like we need to see emotion on someone’s face otherwise we won’t know that what’s happening on course is actually exciting

 @schwaaa31: Tou can’t say that. All the doom laiden pinkers were telling us it would be under 3ft of snow and a stupid time to race there

 @chrismac70: lol yep. Honestly it’s the pink bikers who are ruining racing

 @schwaaa31: was in the Area this weekend. Can confirm the fall colours are out in full array

 VPP related?

 Those v10s do seem to destroy tyres

 Or reserve? Neko used to run them and is now on DT Swiss. He gets to choose what he runs so maybe there is something in it.

 @chrismac70: Greg touched on issues with the new V10.

 VPP related... well, hum, OK... nevermind

 Yep sure is the Maxxis tyres they are rubbish now days. Switched out Michelins or Conti's and problem solved

 Just bad luck probably. Such streaks have happened before. And a couple of months ago there was a streak of flats with a team running Schwalbe.

 @betsie: what new issues did he mention?

 His insight is awesome. Like when people were crashing on that rut up top and he explained that it was too tight for at speed since it had been so much wetter earlier in the week when it was burned in.

 @sspiff: no kidding. Grice and shaw taken out right there. Shame to see it

 Ah boys, when I started watching DH there wasn't even an Irish racer competing, can't believe it. Éire abú

 @mtbcyclist: Glyn O'brien enters the chat

 @watchmen: I started watching in 2015 so it was a bit after him unfortunately. Just looking back on roots and rain and there was a few Irish lads here or there, but 1-2 is unbelievable.

 Awesome to see any younger riders doing so well

 Neither of the lads are from Dublin haha

 @Martin-McInerney: I know lol It's his nickname on MoiMoiTV

 True dude

 Yes but it's the whole package that makes it work. The live coverage is also pretty good. I have much enjoyed this season and don't feel the need to be a complainer. I don't think we need anymore of those anyway

 There's heaps of coverage all over the joint? Not sure what you're talking about?

 @russthedog: link?

 @anotherstoneinthewoods: what do you want a link to? All the videos and content covering the race?

 100% Moir and Masters just exude excitement and love for racing, those two on commentary would be excellent. Plus the comradery they have with the riders just makes it so good!

 @t8guy: they are ok for fun and jack the lad banter, but would need a bit of maturity to represent a sport and deliver good commentary, totally different perspective on reading and reacting to a race.
They are top notch on you tube without a doubt but that’s a total different genre

 Spec? Commencal? Where she going

 @stinkie: someone on the making up the numbers podcast hinted it could be back to YT

 If you listen she only said Sram rockshox. - So maybe full trek factory?
she'd be an asset for Specialized gravity as they would instantly go to the top in the womans.

 @jamborf: I asked YT and they were quite coy. It's a possibilily. Her mechanic Matt answered yes when I said "you're staying with Trek right?"
Even when you're in the pits at a race you can't get info so good luck trying to find out online!

 @HeatedRotor: correct she thanked Rockshox Sram

 I believe Vali's next team will be Atherton with fellow Austrian Andi Kolb, as Rachel is her idol and that family loves to win. Continental Tire continuity.

 @suspended-flesh: I was thinking that too. She had an offer as a junior.

 Trek would be crazy to let her go ! She is the present and the future of womans DH imo. It hope she just joins trek Factory otherwise Trek is fumbeling the bag big time.

 @stinkie: who is offering the biggest pay cheque I would imagine. She can name her price and conditions at the moment

 @suspended-flesh: Depends if they can afford her. She is going to be very expensive

 @chrismac70: She's also very young with few financial/life responsibilities, so maybe it's not all about the bag like all other pro sports. She is set to capitalize on endorsements for a while being the World Champ and the Cup Overall....who knows.

 @suspended-flesh: I reckon she'll be riding a different frame based on Shandro's response to me mentioning her name in the chair lift. It was an awkward moment! Not Trek by the look of it. Also she seemed to be saying goodbye to Rockshox Sram so Fox is likely. Atherton would be a logical choice as they would be able to get the sponsorship to support her salary. But Shandro was definitely sour so I doubt Trek Factory is the destination.

 @danstonQ: Gross, please stop that.

 @danstonQ: she can lose weight, she can gain weight. You however, will always be a c*nt.

 I have absolutely no insights at all, but …
Who has enough money to sign Vali?
Santa, commencal, spec, trek ….
Santa and commencal have Nina and cami - would sound crazy to me to sign Vali too.
Atherton would be great and a good fit - but I doubt that they have the cash for Vali.
So, if she’s really leaving trek … I’d put my money on spec. they’re in desperate need for a woman who can win, and they got the cash. And it would be öhlins, which would put her „leaving SRAM/RS“ comment in perspective.

 @suspended-flesh: make hay whilst the sunshine’s. She has a limited career like all pro athletes so make what she can whilst she can.

 @danstonQ: she a a machine built out of pure muscle and speed. She is far from fat

 @Widgets: you sound like you’re a hella try hard..

 @pargolf8: Volunteer strapping timing widgets on forks and marshalling in Fort William at worlds and went to Loudenville as a marshaller. I got about and used my pass to get places I really shouldn't have been!

 tiz-cycling-live.io/livestream.php

 bookmark the link, ez

 @curtiscycles: blocked

 @scottlakesmtb: Works here

 @styleguide: Bless u

 blocked

 @scottlakesmtb: there's 2 back ups below the main stream, main one usually up within 5-10mins.

 @curtiscycles: yeah spotted those and couldn’t pull myself away to reply. My wife’s Irish and said “them boys better find a pub”. Beautiful to watch. Thank you snowshoe and the streaming legend.

 What place is that? Our corporate tax haven?

 @pisgahgnar: Well that's intense. Maybe it's just up here in the Northeast. My bad!

 I’m sure gwin was being well paid for doing the commentary

 @pisgahgnar: in our livers

 Maybe the best season ever, but virtually no one watched it happen.

 not sure how many seasons you followed - this one is quite interesting results wise but definitely not the best season ever. There were some epic battles in the past

 @stevemokan: I think you will find quite a lot of people have watched it

 @stevemokan: everyone commenting here appears to have watched. Get your head out of your ass.

 Shout*

 Whiteface for the DH? Interesting. I can already see the traffic back ups in town.

 as if unexpected win from young upcoming gun is not more exiciting?

 Yep the drone needs a quality upgrade and horizontal levelling or just leave it out.

 Riders do not own the sport. Never have and never will. Racing exists because of marketing by the sponsors

 Yeeeeeeeeah mush!

 because rubbish. If i was that bad at my job i wouldve been given the boot.

 Scots don't understand tense very well 'I just now had went down there ' The past tense is so misused is almost dialect

 @puukkopedro: he's not Scottish. Ulster Scots maybe

 Bruni 60pts over Loris. Jackson 150 back.

 @bgoldstone: Yep, and thought I heard them say no points for qualis/semis, just finals at Mont St Anne. If true, that makes the semis even worse/more meaningless and also adds less intrigue for the points race. Why diminish the possibilities and level of excitement for the final race? But maybe I'm mistaken, has been hard to verify.

 @gemma8788: not sure about qualies but definitely no semi points

 @bgoldstone: No quali points either. Just the max of 250pts from Finals. I can't remember the exact rule number but I happened to read the rule amendment a couple of days ago.

 Well, he’s been on all of them ,so

 Didn’t help Loic.

 tiz-cycling.io/video/mtb-dhi-world-cup-2023-7-snowshoe-full-race

 Yer Sir Richard was sick Irish young guns on Hope Bruni is ok to fight for the overall next week. Vali gone be killer doesn't matter which bike she rides