First Ride: Merida One-Sixty FR

Sep 22, 2023
by Seb Stott  
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Photo: Paul Box

When Merida launched their One-Sixty enduro bike a year ago, its versatility, climbing performance and smooth ride quality impressed. Now they've cooked up a freeride version aimed at bike park rats and rental fleets - it's for riders who want something affordable, simple and reliable that can handle the biggest bike park features. The alloy frame is category five-rated for DH & bike park use and carries a five-year warranty.

The One-Sixty FR is supplied with mixed wheels in all sizes (though the frame can still accommodate 29" wheels), and this bumps up the rear travel from 162 mm to 171 mm compared to the standard One-Sixty with 29" wheels. This is paired with a 180 mm fork and a coil shock from DVO. It's the first bike we've ridden with DVO's brand-new 38 mm fork. A downhill rear tire (with an enduro casing on the front) completes the transformation.
One-Sixty FR Details

• 171mm rear travel; 180 mm fork
• Aluminum frame
• Mixed wheel size (frame is compatible with 29" wheels)
• Size S-XL
• 63.5° head angle
• 78° seat angle
• Weight: around 17 Kg / 37.5 lb
• Price: £2,800/€3,360 - £3,500/€4,200
• Five-year frame warranty
www.merida-bikes.com

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Geometry

Merida use short seat tubes along with a travel-adjustable seatpost to allow most riders to choose between two or more frame sizes depending on their preference for stability versus agility. Merida call this concept "agilometer sizing". The Limotec seat post can be set anywhere between 40 mm and 230 mm travel so riders can get the maximum dropper travel for their chosen frame size.

Compared to the enduro version with its 170 mm fork, the 180 mm fork slackens the frame angles by around half a degree.



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Frame Features

Flex pivots are commonplace on XC bikes thanks to their simplicity and lightness, but few companies make them in aluminum and even fewer for long-travel applications. As the suspension compresses and the rocker link rotates, the One-Sixty's seatstays bend a few degrees one way and then the other. Merida designed it to minimize the flex pivot's range of motion such that it doesn't noticeably contribute to the suspension forces and it shouldn't suffer from metal fatigue over time. Merida say it's been fatigue tested by the Zedler Institute and went "well beyond industry standards". This included a custom test where the suspension was fully cycled with a shock fitted over 100,000 times. Merida's five-year warranty suggests they believe it will stand the test of time in the real world.

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Fleet operators and home mechanics probably won't like the through-headset cable routing, but Merida say that threading a cable through the frame is relatively easy thanks to the huge opening in the head tube (once you remove the fork) and a service port under the downtube. On the plus side, if you do decide to venture beyond the bike park, there is room for a full-size water bottle plus bosses for a tool holder inside the frame. There are also mounts for a bolt-on rear mudguard on the seatstay.



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Suspension Design

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As the flex occurs in the seatstay and not the chainstay, it's a single-pivot affair like other bikes in Merida's range. That means the suspension stays deeper in its travel during braking than most Horst link bikes, which is no bad thing in my view.

The leverage curve is pretty progressive through most of the travel, with a linear or slightly regressive phase at the end. This shouldn't be a problem given most coil shocks have a substantial bottom-out bumper which affects the last 20-30% of the travel.

The leverage curve is size-specific, so larger frames have more progression. The idea is that bigger riders need more support while smaller people have more trouble using all the travel. The difference is achieved by moving the front shock mount; the back end and link aren't size-specific.

The overall progression (the change in leverage from 0% to 100% travel) goes from approximately 15% in XS to 25% in XL. That's about average to quite progressive, respectively, so there should be plenty of bottom-out resistance for most riders.



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Merida One Sixty FR 600 - £3,500/€4,200
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Merida One Sixty FR 400 - £2,800/€3,360

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Build Kits

Merida had to make smart choices to keep the FR affordable. The top-spec bike makes use of a Shimano Deore drivetrain with TRP brakes, both of which perform solidly. A 220 mm front rotor is a nice touch. The entry-level build makes do with Shimano's ten-speed Cues drivetrain but still offers an 11-48 tooth range to keep climbing on the table.

On the top build, the new Onyx 38 D2 fork does away with DVO's adjustable coil-negative spring system (called OTT) in favor of a more conventional and user-friendly self-equalizing air spring. Low-speed compression damping is adjustable with just three settings to choose from, alongside plastic volume spacers and rebound adjustment to play with. The DVO JADE X D2 shock found on the 600 model has three compression modes: open, mid and firm. The 400 model gets the D3 shock without the three-position compression switch, along with an SR Suntour RXF 38 RC fork, with low-speed compression and rebound adjustment.

For full specs see here and here.



Merida 2023 - Bike Launch Exmoor. Please credit Paul Box Please credit Paul Box
Photo: Paul Box

Ride Impressions

I rode the One-Sixty FR for a full day of mostly uplifted riding. I did enough pedalling to get a sense of how much the mixed wheel setup, coil shock and DH rear tire compromise the climbing composure compared to the carbon-framed enduro version I rode last year. Thanks to the steep seat angle, it's still a comfortable climber - especially compared to other affordable park bikes like the Saracen Ariel 80. However, there is a noticeable amount of pedal bob with the shock left open that wasn't present on the enduro version, but this can be eliminated if you're willing to use the shock's "firm" or "mid" mode.

On the descents, I didn't get a chance to ride it on anything that would justify a 170/180 mm park bike, but the suspension was impressively supple when riding rougher sections of trail. I couldn't get the fork to rebound fast enough, despite running 10 psi more air pressure than recommended for my 85 kg weight, so the fork slurped lazily over high-frequency bumps. But the off-the-top sensitivity is excellent (this is a real weak point of DVO's OTT forks for heavier riders), which kept the bike stuck to the ground. The flip side of that is the fork sits very low in its travel (according to my tape measure, the axle-to-crown measurement is similar to most 170 mm forks), which means the head angle isn't quite as slack as it should be, and I'd rather it sat higher on steep sections. I'm planning to do some more fettling with this fork in the near future so stay tuned.

I was impressed by the TRP brakes and long-travel dropper post - I'm using all 230 mm. Overall it's a solid-feeling package for the money that seems relatively versatile given the park bike designation. I'll have to try it on more demanding trails to say any more.




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158 Comments
  • 220 6
 Hey Merida, wiring through the headset might be the complete opposite concept of what a freeride bike should be (In fact completely external routing might be the right choice for this segment). You're talking to park rats and other guys/gals sending hard, falling and usually making their own maintenance on the bike (or to rental fleets, but the issue is the same).
For racers why not (well I disagree but let's imagine they don't care), but that's a complete non sense for the target of this bike...
This thing really needs to die in a short and painful way, and other brands already begun to understand that it was leading them to nowhere
  • 34 0
 If only they would listen to you my man. (And by they I mean all mtb brands pretending to understand and represent the « core » riders).
  • 29 1
 And TBH racers need to be able to swap a new brake on quickly if they have to as well.
  • 30 0
 I believe it’s a total nonsense on bikes, every kind of
  • 12 1
 All cables external, if intended for bike parks a quality single speed option should be available too... loads running them in Alps this year.
  • 13 0
 To add to this, why go through the trouble of routing the cables through the headset and then add an opening in the frame to service it... Seems like some external cable bosses would have been a lot less fussy.
  • 8 0
 Kona's new Process has externally routed cables..however it has shitty specs for 1.5x price of Merida either You choose!
  • 33 0
 God invented hands for the holding of tools. God invented brains for the solving of problems that don't exist. God also invented hearts, for following, and drills, God invented drills for the drilling of holes in the downtube. On the 702990'th day God also invented warranties, for the voiding of warranties.
  • 6 1
 Take advantage of the aluminium frame and drill the ports. Since it's hitting way above it's class, I definetly would drill the first time I'd need to service.
  • 18 0
 @browner: On the 702998'th day God invented the JBWeld, for covering the port, sanding it down, painting and reinstating the warranty.
  • 13 2
 @Notmeatall: God was, and I don't think it would be overstating it, a crafty f*cker
  • 3 1
 You’ll have to decide among yourselves who who’s more core, but bike companies are clearly listening to everyone in the wireless dropper thread who said they were willing to pay to remove a length of housing that isn’t in the rider’s field of view (are you looking at your front tire?) and mostly impacts the bike’s performance on instagram Smile
  • 1 0
 I’m curious if anyone has rerouted their lines to the top of the downtube using things like the jag wire stick-on cable guides or something similar. The dropper is the one that remains a total PITA unless you’re going to drill the frame.
  • 2 0
 @shredddr: I have that for my brake line, combined with zip tying it to the base of my bottle mount. My bike doesn't even have headset routing, I just don't want it internal
  • 8 0
 "Merida say that threading a cable through the frame is relatively easy thanks to the huge opening in the head tube (once you remove the fork)"

Oh good, I get to remove the fork to work on my cables/hoses. /s
  • 3 0
 What's also interesting is the timing of these headset cable routed bikes. At a time of economic slowdown and mass overstock leading to clearance prices across the industry, seems like a self sabotage for any company using this dumpster fire cable routing.
  • 5 0
 @Notmeatall: why even drill the ports, just zip tie the damn things to the frame like we did in the 90's.
  • 2 0
 The frame damage from badly routed cables can easily destroy a carbon frame in sandy conditions. Routing the cables as close to the pivot (fork steerer) as possible minimizes cable movement. My own trail frame had 5mm of carbon worn right through under the bb, which might have contributed to the adjacent shock bolts bending and seizing in the shock. A friend's xc race bike had the downtube damaged from the external cables swaying. Though it may be a pain in the ass to route, i would prefer routing which has as little possibility of damaging the frame as possible myself.
  • 2 0
 @R-trailking-S: or just use the little clear dots that come with a carbon frame to prevent damage from rub.
  • 2 0
 @bat-fastard: Ha, I think I met you on a MTB holiday in Les Gets, stayed in a chalet. Jeez 25 years ago?
  • 2 0
 @RadBartTaylor: For those with excessive OCD we now have 3D printers to create custom cable clips/carriers. That's how I'm running a 3x drivetrain and external brake line on my Knolly.
  • 1 0
 @OldButBold: you might have, alp active in 1999 and 2000,i think. red super 8 with the 8" upsidedown bat fastard forks..
  • 3 0
 I bought external cable guides from framebuilder supply and now epoxy them on some of my bikes. My TR11 only has two cables to route internally stock, now it only has one, and it's taken care of externally.
  • 2 0
 @ADHDMI: Not gonna lie, I'm stealing this ideia!
  • 66 2
 “…Merida say that threading a cable through the frame is relatively easy thanks to the huge opening in the head tube (once you remove the fork) and a service port under the downtube”

Dear Merida (and others)

Your customers do not want to have to take off the front wheel, remove the brake calliper from the forks, take off the handlebar and stem and drop the forks just to replace a cable.
  • 26 0
 putting (remove the fork) in brackets as if it's an afterthought is funny.

imagine the screams as some park rat starts with a new cable and ends with their headset bearings bouncing all over the floor Big Grin
  • 5 7
 You don't need to remove anything other than the cable to replace the cable. Housing is a different story, but you really do not need to be changing it frequently. A shot of pressurized brake cleaner followed by a few drops of oil can really rejuvenate housing.

I think it goes without saying at this point that the market doesn't want it, and likely shouldn't be done, but you do have to understand that most people buying most bikes do not do their own work. Pinkbikers are a minority within cycling, not the norm. From a mechanics point of view, it really isn't too much extra hassle, but you are going to pay a bit more at the end of service for it.

The thing that bothers me more is your housing/hoses potentially rubbing into your steerer, that said, most of these bikes are coming with some sort of cover to avoid that damage.
  • 4 0
 @sherbet: "but you do have to understand that most people buying most bikes do not do their own work."

I don't know if I agree with this. Depending on the bike and its intended use, a LOT of people are doing at least minor bits of work on their rig. If you live in a busy mtb city, you don't have a choice, since turn-around on bikeshop work during the summer can be multiple weeks.
  • 4 4
 The VAST majority of customers at our shop return to our shop once or twice a year for regular maintenance. It's possible, but I have my doubts that other markets are significantly different. We really are a minority my dude.
  • 3 4
 @HankHank: Replacing cables is super simple! (Just disassemble the entire front end of the bike). Even a child could do it!
  • 5 1
 Why would you do all that? Replacing an existing housing with new housing is faster imho with internal routing vs. external.

Just attach the new housing to the old housing and pull it straight through. Like everyone has done for droppers since 2010.
  • 4 2
 @sherbet: Please show me the source that most park rats, or even general people, don't do their own work. Thanks
  • 4 2
 @sherbet: Okay...and how many people like me, who never step foot inside your/any shop for maintenance, exist? Just because you work at a shop and see people doesn't mean you understand the actual ratio
  • 2 3
 I'm not sure anyone has done a study on this topic, so I'm not sure if there's readily available "proof" outside of anecdotes. If you have a source that definitively says otherwise, I'd love to see it.
  • 3 0
 @sherbet: I think that youre only seeing a small portion of the bikes that are actually out there. You may see most of the bikes that you sell back for service, but youre not seeing all the bikes that wernt bought in a local shop. Think about how many bikes change hands on the buy/sell, how could you account for all of those? Obviously bikes are complicated enough that alot more people dont do their own work anymore, but i think youre underestimating the amount of people who do their own work, because you dont see them. I guess you would have to be able to measure trail traffic and compare that with the service numbers of all the area bike shops.
  • 3 0
 @sherbet: You have sampling bias. Maybe a large percentage of *your* customers return for maintenance, but do they represent the whole bike buying market? Who are those people, new riders? Well sure, people who just started usually have shops do their work for a few years, then they quit if they stick with it because adjusting derailleurs and changing cables ain't rocket science. I haven't gone to a bike shop for regular maintenance in a very long time.

And anyway, cable housing does go bad, typically by rubbing the frame at pivot points (a problem exacerbated by internal housing ports). I find mine make it maybe 1-2ish years before they're starting to look too scuffed and I replace them. You probably don't change too many housings because you're probably dealing with customers in the early years of bike ownership.
  • 1 0
 @Tollef: lol are you serious? i agree that it isnt difficult, but theres no way its less difficult than external. Thats like saying an endoscopy is easier than examining a skin wound because the camera is on a cable so it pulls right through.
  • 5 3
 A large portion of people I ride with, customers of my shop or not, bring their bikes in for service at a shop. I have the same as you; anecdotes. Mine just also happen to include a wider range which includes bike shop customers. I run a 3 thousand person cycling discord, the vast majority of users there are there to learn how to work with bikes, or learn info for a new purchase. That group also drops their bikes off at a shop at a fairly high rate compared to what is being opined in here.

Not going to get caught in the mud on this one, we disagree and we both are basing our opinions on our experiences.

All I'll say is it seems people are overracting about the cable tourism thing. Plenty of the people responding with "it isn't bad" are people who have worked on these systems. Buddy above this post got downvoted for saying "you can pull a new housing in when you pull the old housing out." Why is that? I get this really odd feeling this is turning more into a teamsport level debate rather than anything centered around the factual matter of bike repair work. Even this discussion was immediately bogged down by "no your experience is wrong" while completely ignoring the meat of the discourse. It's incredibly disappointing to read through.
  • 2 1
 @sherbet: I'm a bike mech, and no, I don't want to waste time when I'm working. Few minutes vs. half an hour / hour is NOT az extra hussle. I don't care how much they pay, I don't want to dissassemble the full front of a bike when normally I can just remove housing, put on new one and go... And believe me, a lot of customers are not happy when I say the price of the service.
So this trend must die ASAP.
  • 1 1
 If you still feel you need to disassemble the entire front end of the bike to change cables or housing, you shouldn't be working on bikes; you're wasting your boss's time. You need to remove the fork to do the headset bearings, which is true of all frames. You can pull new housing in as you pull old housing out. The tools for this job have existed for years.

This trend will die when people stop buying bikes with this on it; don't hold your breath.
  • 2 1
 @sherbet: "but Merida say that threading a cable through the frame is relatively easy thanks to the huge opening in the head tube (once you remove the fork)". Its even there in the article: once you remove the fork. On my Stumpjumper, which has internal routing, I don't have to remove the fork for a cable change. Neither on my Silex. Its completely fine on a road bike, huge no on a park bike. I'm not against internal routing, I'm against this internal headset routing.
  • 1 0
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Mate, tools for this exact job have existed for years. You're literally just saying "I have no idea how to work on this" to someone explaining how it works to you. You do not need to remove the fork to replace the housing, you pull new housing in while you remove the hold housing.
  • 1 1
 FYI, as an owner of two Merida's, Replacing the cables isnt the problem... you just connect the ends and pull through, id argue its actually easier.
The real problem is putting the headset/fork together as the cables arnt very long so you dont have alot of room...
HOWEVER its easy if you remove the Controls from the bars... Almost the same as non headset routing.

the only real annoying parts are: lack of Aftermarket IS52 headsets and Cable rub on headset entry...
  • 30 0
 I would love to see a youtube video from a Taiwan or China factory showing the mass production process of frames with and without headset routing, including an analysis about time and cost savings.
  • 12 7
 It's about aesthetics, they think people want the 'clean' look
  • 3 0
 @mattg95: Well, maybe. But I think the cost saving effect is more important. No small guiding tubes laminated into the frames (justifiably because in the future there are 2 cable less to install due to electronic dropper and shifters), pulling up to 4 cables through the head tube instead of 4 small holes safes labour time etc.
  • 5 0
 @mattg95: my SST has fully external cable routing and it looks clean AF
  • 4 0
 Bonus footage would include the cable port drillers being ass-booted out the back door with pink slips while the executives make cash rain on strippers in the office upstairs.
  • 2 0
 It’s got to be cheaper to go to head-set routing as I don’t believe manufacturers would be doing it if it was more expensive.
  • 23 2
 A few things weird me out about this bike.

First is of course cable tourism. On an XC or gravel race bike there is maybe an argument. But for a park bike?

Second… they are doing flex stays on an aluminum seat stay? Isn’t aluminum a metal without a “knee”, meaning, any bending fatigues it some amount? Unlike say steel, which has a “knee” in its fatigue chart, where as long as it doesn’t bend past a certain amount, it will never fatigue?

Material properties isn’t my field. But I swear I remember reading about this before.
  • 2 25
flag olilatte (Sep 22, 2023 at 1:12) (Below Threshold)
 Metals have flex, which makes it snap back to how they were originally up to a certain force. This is the same for aluminium and steel. Where they differ is when you keep applying force beyond the flex threshold, there steel starts to bend and aluminium just snaps.
  • 36 0
 I'll chime in on metal fatigue, yet again.

Some bike metals have a fatigue endurance limit (ex. steel and titanium). The strain threshold for the endurance limit is so low that it's not relevant for bikes, i.e. bikes fail in fatigue due to high-strain events. Fatigue endurance limits apply to the high cycles and low strain you might see in the housing for a motor that runs continuously for years.

Seatstays flex a many times in their lifetimes, of course, but it's orders of magnitude less than the vibrations in the motor housing example.

As such, an aluminum frame can be extremely durable, even with flex stays.
  • 1 8
flag olilatte (Sep 22, 2023 at 1:24) (Below Threshold)
 You're right about the fatigue part, steel has a plateau where it doesn't fatigue as much anymore.
  • 9 0
 You're right, fatigue does occur. But under the forces that appear in this kind of application it'll take much, much longer to take a noticeable effect than you'd probably think.

From a durability standpoint, this implementation of a flex-pivot is totally fine. The aluminium won't fatigue to the point that it's even noticeable while riding within the lifespan of the bike. You could ride the crap outta this thing day in day out for years without the structural degradation reaching anywhere near critical level.

Also, from a durability standpoint, a structure with a flex-pivot made from carbon fiber wouldn't inherently be safer than one made from aluminium. In fact, the homogenous nature of the material itself would rather mean that metals lend themselves rather well for such an application.

Also also, the myth about steel (or other ferrous metals) supposedly having a fatigue limit beyond which they just magically stop degrading isn't really true under real world conditions. It's one of those things that are only technically true under controlled conditions in a lab.
  • 11 0
 To put things into perspective, look for a slomo video of an aggressive rider cornering on an aluminium frame without flexstays. Take note how much they flex all over the place in the video. Now check a flexstay cycling through travel and see how little they have to actually flex to allow that. My point being, normal aluminium seatstays flex way more during use than most people realize, and few question their suitability for the application
  • 3 3
 @olilatte: I love when somebody who doesn't know shit, tries to lecture other people about it.
  • 1 0
 @R-M-R: Since this is true for monolithic materials how is this impacted by the flex pivot being located near the welded joint on the seat stays? By far the most common failure mode of welded joints on bikes is caused by fatigue. Does post weld heat treating alleviate the heat affected zones?
  • 1 0
 @jkiefer: Great point. It's best practice to reduce the fatigue near welds and profile changes. Merida doesn't appear to have addressed this via external profiling, but it can be managed via a robust weld and internal butting. They've been in the bike manufacturing game for a while, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt!
  • 13 0
 I own MTB bike rentals in Portugal.
www.rent4trail.com

*from my experience internal routing is GREAT (not much experience with inrental through HS) for rental fleet and personal use if designed with maintenance in mind (so far most bikes that had).

*external routing clamped with zipties or spec clamps is horrible then you want to move rental bike saddle with dropper 1cm up/down.

*10 and 11 speed drivertrain is sweetspot for MTB trail use.
have few rental bikes with 11speed and gears are always working perfectly. 12sp systems are just too fragile. always making little rubbing, miss shifting, ghost shifting.
Hopping to see some high end wide range 11speed drivetrain for persoanl use. Shimano deore 11 speed best that you can get 11-50 range is perfect

*COIL shock for rentals is not very good. less maintance - yes. But at same time no adjustability so M bike with 60kg rider and 90kg rider will have very different "performance". Trust me changing spring is not option....
  • 13 0
 Headset routing a “frame feature”.

Hmmm more like a complete “pain in the arse”. Will never buy.
  • 15 2
 The Merida 160, now with more travel than the name suggests!
  • 1 1
 marketing at its best
  • 1 0
 Same as yeti LR models. It’s kind of a normal thing now.
  • 10 3
 I bought a current One Sixty for the missus, and I actually love it. Probably the most underrated brand out there. Sure it doesn’t have the bro cred or a world champ riding it, but Merida is sure pushing boundaries and innovating recently more than most. Let’s not forget they are the second largest bike company in the world. Find another brand that is spacing a 230m dropper standard! They made the first mass production mullet bike a few years back and this new 160 is really sweet.

I wasn’t sure about the internal routing either, but as the reviewer mentioned, the massive headset and multiple access ports make us a piece of cake. The bike is a pleasure to work on.

My wife is 5’0 and is able to run a 210mm dropper which is pretty amazing.

It’s light, works, well priced and sensibly specced.
  • 3 0
 nice , i'm waiting for my one sixty 700 ( in 3 weeks normaly )
  • 3 0
 I would definitely buy one but I don't think they're available in the United States unfortunately.
  • 3 1
 I got my 700 2 weeks back. Got rid of pretty much everything besides the frame (it’s a shame that they don’t sell frame only) and put proper stuff on it.
And …. I love it!
Great bike! Plowable and flickable!
(And yes: through headset routing is just a shitty idea that should be dropped. But, fortunately, it didn’t prevent me from buying this great bike)
  • 5 1
 @KingPooPing: Merida owns 49% of Specialized bikes & owns the factory that all Specialized bikes are manufactured in.
As a result of these relationships, Merida will not sell or support any of their bikes in the USA.
Shame, as they build some cutting edge stuff.
  • 6 1
 @KingPooPing: Get a Status, same factory, similar price and no cable tourism.
  • 4 0
 Amen.
Cable tourism is the only negative here, otherwise this is a no compromise bike, considering price geo, spec, looks are ok also.
The XS size also makes this one of the f* rare options if you're looking for less than 430mm reach these days... Which is ridiculous
  • 7 2
 I just don’t believe that the physics backs up lighter riders needing a lower leverage progression percentage to get full travel out of their bikes. For hucks to flat (where you are most likely to use full travel) where the sag has been set to the same percentage for 2 riders of different weights and the damping settings have also been adjusted to allow for their weights it can be demonstrated that they want the same leverage progression percentage. Hooke’s law tells us that the amount of distance that the spring compresses has a linear relationship to both the spring constant and the force exerted on it. If rider 1 weighs 100kg (rider plus sprung mass of bike) and rider 2 weighs 50kg but they both want 28% sag then rider 1 will have to set their spring constant to be double that of rider 2. Rider 1 and Rider 2 will both the ground with approx. the same downward velocity after the same drop (look up Galileo’s ball drop experiment if you doubt this). They both want their downward velocity to come to a stop after say 180mm of suspension travel which means that they will both experience the same deceleration. The force exerted on the suspension is found by multiplying the riders’ masses by their decelerations. Rider 1 exerts twice the force on the suspension as rider 2. The amount that the suspension moves is proportional to the force and the spring constant and rider 1 has already set their spring constant to be double that of rider 2 to get the same sag which cancels out the fact that they are exerting twice the force of rider on the suspension. Both riders should experience full travel from the same height huck to flat with no need to adjust the leverage ratio. For suspension performance in a rock garden/roots, it is more complex to model but I can’t see why it would be any different, providing that both riders are riding with the same speed there will be a linear relationship between the mass and the force exerted on the suspension which is cancelled out by setting the sag correctly. Slower and less aggressive riders will need a less progressive leverage ratio to achieve full travel and maybe there is a correlation between being small and being slower, more children and women will be on the smaller bikes, but I don’t believe that Jackson Goldstone would benefit from having a lower leverage progression than Greg Minnar, although he will need a lower spring rate or lower air pressure. I made this point on an article about those carbon anti-volume spacers with many people saying that they would be good for lighter riders when in actual fact I believe that they would be good for slower riders and got lots of downvotes but no one could say why I was wrong

@Merida, or anyone else, have you got any theory or evidence to suggest that I am wrong?
  • 13 0
 So ... I'm the guy who invented Size-Specific Kinematics (SSK).

The short version is that SSK is important for pedaling anti-squat and brake squat (or jack, anti-rise - however you want to look at it), and the rider's centre of mass is fairly predictable for a given frame size.

Suspension support is nowhere near as predictable, so it's difficult to apply SSK to the motion ratio. It's all about the ratio of strength to weight for the rider (well, the rider + bike), which has a weaker relationship to frame size than the centre of mass location. Ideally, both the spring and the damper will be properly tuned to each rider's needs. Unfortunately, many companies spec the same shock tune across all sizes, which makes SSK a useful tool for adding a little extra support late in the stroke.

It may be reasonable to assume a company that cares enough to implement SSK also cares enough to spec shocks with different tunes for each size (this is more practical for a large company, like Merida, than a small company), reducing the need for motion ratio SSK.

Another consideration: riders of smaller frame sizes are more likely to be women, who are more likely to have a lower ratio of strength to total weight. As such, motion ratio SSK becomes more of a gender-specific kinematics issue. When viewed from this perspective, statistics favour a less progressive motion ratio curve for smaller sizes.
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 I should clarify that I'm not saying Merida does or doesn't use different shock tunes for each size. I haven't worked with them and have no knowledge of their shock configurations.
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 I think center of gravity of tall person moves more backwards compared to short rider because of longer arms ans legs
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 @R-M-R: What do you make of the (wild) assertion that shorter (male) riders are likely to have a higher strength to weight ratio than taller riders? Certainly in the rock climbing world, shorter climbers tend to be capable of much more powerful climbs than longer (lankier) climbers who rely more on their improved reach than outright lifting strength. Basically, bones are heavy, and don't add any strength to the system using them.

I have given the topic of ramp up compared to rider weight some thought in the past, (I was considering volume tokens in air forks at the time) and came to essentially the same conclusion as Rambotion. That being, rider weight doesn't intrinsically effect the amount of progression required.

I certainly agree with you that height has a significant effect on brake and pedal interactions, but I think the suggestion that Merida is making (heavier riders should have more progressive rear suspension) is flawed at best.
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 Bear in mind that the first paragraph of my above comment was the result of about 10 seconds somewhat distracted thought while eating a sandwich. But seems to hold true if you consider the relative power to weight of (for example) a mouse compared to an elephant. The power to weight of the mouse is higher by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
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 @lightone: Have a tall, large riding buddy on a slack STA/ short CS bike XL sized bike, and if you draw a vertical line from his extended seat to the ground it's only inches in front of the rear axle.
Watching him climb on that thing is comical as the front end runs off the trail, wheelies, etc. Not sure how he descends so fast but maybe going downhill enough weight shifts forward that it works, and he is just really talented at descending.
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 @R-M-R: Thank you for your reply, and I don't doubt the importance of SSK, I just think that from the data that Merida it looks like they have likely done a poor job. On top of giving the smaller riders a lower leverage progression percentage, they have also given them a lower starting leverage ratio. The effect is reduced a little because this a coil rather than air shock, but my understanding is that the effect of this is to reduce the suppleness that Seb refers to in the review. If, as you suggest could be the case, the shocks have a similar tune across the sizes then this will further reduce the initial suppleness. The end result for the small and extra small versions could then easily be a bike that doesn't have particular suppleness in small chatter and then blows through its travel easily on the big hits, worst of both worlds. Or they have given the smaller bikes a much lighter rebound increasing the suppleness but making the shock very slow to extend again. It would be interesting to have the small frame on test as well with a small but fast rider, obviously not going to happen
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 @SunsPSD: does he have progreesive rear?
I have got longer than usual legs and arms for my height. I ride coil fork with 20% sag with no bottom outs, at the same time RM Slayer is my first frame I don't have issues with bottom outs (it has around 50% progression if I am not wrong).

Po
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 @lightone: That's not correct. The centre of mass moves slightly forward for larger riders, relative to the bottom bracket, for a bike with consistent effective seat-tube angle (see next reply). Even so, it's possible for the weight distribution to become more rear-biased due to the front-centre growing considerably and the rear-centre often remaining the same.

@SunsPSD: Unfortunately, many bikes use a slack actual seat-tube angle that moves the saddle rearward at an alarming rate as it's raised. This doesn't mean a tall rider's centre of mass is intrinsically more rearward, just that some manufacturers have done a poor job of ergonomics across the size range. Also, tall riders' centres of mass are almost universally higher, so they experience greater weight shift when the ground isn't level - especially toward the rear, since rear-centres rarely change in proportion to height in the way front-centres change.

@gabiusmaximus: It's certainly possible for a small rider to have a greater ratio of strength to weight than a large rider. As you noted, that effect is well-known among elite athletes in climbing, gymnastics, power lifting, etc. Unfortunately, there's so much variability in this ratio across the full spectrum of bike customers that it's impossible to recommend a dramatic motion ratio SSK relationship; safer to leave the motion ratio fairly consistent and recommend size-specific damper tunes. If a company has a women's product line, thereby eliminating that variable, I recommend a less progressive motion ratio for those models, though not necessarily much of a motio ratio SSK. As I mentioned earlier, optimizing the motio ratio can be done with respect to sex, but less so with respect to size.

@rambotion2: To clarify, I did not suggest anything about whether Merida does or does not use size-specific shock tunes; I have no knowledge of this. Some brands do, and I commend them for this; hopefully, all brands will eventually do so, though it can be more cost-prohibitive to small brands than to large. As I mentioned earlier, Merida's motion ratio SSK strategy may make sense if we assume a greater proportion of female riders on the smaller sizes. If this is the motivation for their SSK - which is not reflected in Seb's description - I would suggest they account for the expected proportion of female riders among customers for this bike and the height distribution curves for females and males. Bikes of this category usually have a highly male demographic, so the female representation in the probability distribution, with respect to SSK, would have a small influence on the smallest sizes and minimal influence on larger sizes - i.e. I would not expect to see the uniform spacing of the motion ratios across the sizes. Hopefully this gives some insight into how I tailor my kinematics packages for clients!
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 @R-M-R: I considered that when tall person bends his legs given angle or height when landing a jump (who cares about static position...) his hips and upper body moves rearward more than when short person does it because of different hands reach.
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 @lightone: When standing, a rider places a lot of weight on their feet and a little weight on their hands, thus placing the centre of mass between the BB and the bar. If this distribution remains fairly constant as the size of the rider changes, the centre of mass of the larger rider will be farther forward of the BB. A larger rider's centre of mass would be more rearward only if the normal location of the centre of mass for this situation is rearward of the BB; riders do not normally hang off the back (arms in tension), so this is not normally the case.
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 @R-M-R: It may be a decent solution in the practical world but it seems so inelegant to me to solve the problem of an improperly tuned damper by altering the kinematics of the bike. Imagine a world where damper oil viscosity selection was a regular part of bike fitting...
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 @ak-77: Instead, think of it as complimentary: tune the shock and the chassis for the rider. I'm sure we all agree on the need for difference frame sizes for different bodies, yet only recently have some companies started tuning the rear-centre along with the rest of the geometry. It's time for the whole industry to do better, especially when it costs little to implement SSK and shock tunes.

A rider putting less force into the chassis can have a lighter chassis with more compliance, and kinematics that suit their physiology. This is especially true for carbon frames, where each size requires a separate mold and - hopefully, but not always - size-specific lay-up

As I said above, SSK is beneficial for pedaling and braking performance, and is strongly correlated to frame size. SSK can also be highly beneficial to suit a rider's physiology, but it can be difficult to correlate with frame size.
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 @R-M-R: I wasn't suggesting ssk is a bad idea, on the contrary. Just the part where one would use it to compensate for poor shock tuning. Solve size-specific damping issues with the damper, spring issues with the spring, and kinematics issues with the kinematics.
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 @ak-77: It's certainly not a substitute for size-specific shock tunes. Many frames use neither, though, and anything is better than nothing ... I guess ... but yeah, we should expect more from bikes at current prices.

Some of responsibility can be on the rider: many riders who spend thousands extra to save a pound and get status-symbol stanchion colours would get better performance from a bike with lower base price and spending some of the cost difference on custom damper tunes. This is most true when certain parameters (weight, strength, speed, terrain, etc.) aren't in the middle of the bell curve.
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 @R-M-R: Most people will spend money on features that are either obviously visible (brand names, specific top-of-the-line colors) or can be expressed as a single number (weight, travel).
Really worthwhile upgrades are the domain of nerds like us, who play hardly a role in the spreadsheets of product managers.
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 @ak-77: I also offer product management services to my bike clients, so yeah, I'm all too familiar with what sells vs. what makes a difference. On the plus side, frivolous spenders really boost margins and help fund R&D that will trickle down to sensible spenders.

Ultimately, people can spend their money however they want, on whatever makes them happy, regardless of whether we share their values. All I can do it try to educate people on the choices available and try to infuse the products they want with the maximum amount of what I think is good for them!
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 @R-M-R: we speak about different scenarios
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 I think one of the issues is that stock damping ranges on suspension products are tuned to the majority weight of riders, causing heavier and lighter riders to be under/over damped due to falling outside or on the edges of the useable range.

This may be misinterpreted by some as heavier and lighter riders requiring more/less progression to solve the issue, which is IMO incorrect.
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 @SonofBovril: Exactly. These riders need different amount of support, which can be achieved via spring configuration, leverage curve, and damper settings. Ideally, every parameter would be tuned to every rider's needs, but there's a practical limit to that.
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 @SonofBovril: Exactly. Every rider needs a unique amount of support, both in terms of position and shaft speed. Customization can be achieved via spring configuration, leverage curve, and damper settings - not to mention tires, wheels, chassis, etc. Ideally, every parameter would be tuned to every rider's needs, but there's a practical limit to that.
  • 5 0
 So. 100.000 cycles. Assuming you ride at 6m/s (about 20kmh) and you have a feature every 1m, that's less than 5hrs of riding. I really hope that they have more to go on than that test.
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 I actually like headset cable routing. A controversial take I know. However, it makes zero sense on this bike. It is supposed to be a budget bike park bike. people don't care about clean looks or lack of clutter, they care about being able to ziptie crap together in the lift line so they can make the most of their componentry and days in the park. It feels like a bike with such a clear focus on affordability shouldn't even have internal cables. Why not make the aluminum frame externally routed and easy to work on and keep the fancy routing for the carbon frame. Especially since the people who complain so vehemently about it aren't the type of people who probably want a carbon frame in the first place.
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 Dear Pinkbike, Please write in the first paragraph if the bike being reviewed has a through-headset cable routing. Many of your readers will stop reading immediately and turn their attention to other PB content more relevant to their interest. Thanks!
  • 2 0
 ahhh headset routed cables... designers/ brands cheeping out.. its so they don't need to design or manufacture a tube in tube component in the frame, or ports for the cables , or weld or mold on/ weld cable/ hose brazeon's. they just buy a head set top cap from manufacture A, B or C and presto we did innovative design like roadies and when you crash and spin your bars the hose gets damaged internally.. or they make a silly fork stop that smashes your top cap shearing off a compression knob!!
SMRT..
  • 2 0
 @seb-stott Did Merida comment on how exactly they are achieving the increase in rear suspension travel? Is this the same frame as the "regular" One-Sixty with a different rocker link and increased stroke or is the frame itself different? Or is this maybe one of the classic cases where manufacturers' data on rear suspension is wildly inaccurate in the spec sheets?
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 The regular one sixty has the same link. In 27.5 mode it runs slightly more leverage offering more travel - as smaller wheel has more ST clearance. In 29 it’s 160mm rear travel. Really clever.
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 This is exactly the normal one-sixty frame.
It got a longer fork and mullet on all sizes (which you can convert to on the normal one-sixty in 5 mon( and that’s it.
The rest is marketing.
  • 4 0
 Am I crazy? or does 100,000 cycles seem like not that many.. Just think about the amount of abuse you can easily pile onto a bike in an afternoon of lift serviced riding
  • 2 0
 That being said I love the price point, look and spec of this! would love to get my hands on a carbon 160 if they distributed to the states
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 "However, there is a noticeable amount of pedal bob with the shock left open that wasn't present on the enduro version, but this can be eliminated if you're willing to use the shock's "firm" or "mid" mode"

Really? No way! Mtb journalism at it's finest...
  • 2 0
 Canyon had the right idea for cables quite a long time ago. Run them under the down tube in a neat plastic assembly that easily opens up for maintenance, but shields the cables/frame from rocks and impacts.
Simple, effective and looked clean.
This headset nonsense has got to stop.
  • 5 0
 Hows DVO doing? I haven't heard of them for a long time.
  • 2 0
 Still in Valencia, California, doing suspension things.
  • 7 0
 We have a lot of new products dropping soon with a lot more to come. Keep an eye out for some exciting stuff from DVO.
  • 3 0
 Stark contrast to the Kona Process X... Merida at least tried to get you the best spec for the money. The price is impressive to say the least.
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 ~10% progression (even when measured from sag) is nowhere near enough to run a coil in my experience. It’s not even enough for modern high volume air cans.
  • 1 0
 @Seb Stott "The flip side of that is the fork sits very low in its travel (according to my tape measure, the axle-to-crown measurement is similar to most 170 mm forks)". Do you mean that the a2c is shorter than other forks of the same travel, or that the Onyx 38 works deep in the avaliable travel (like having a lot of sag)?
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 I would have though the flex pivot would be a design feature for a bike that's as simple as possible
it would be really nice to see a long travel full suspension bike that's as simple and easy to service as possible.
gave up on this hope when I saw the cable tourism Frown
  • 4 0
 Such a nicely priced bike ruined by headset cable BS!!!
  • 2 0
 The bike is great i like the way it is designed, buuuuuut! with external routing it would be much much better, I don't want to sound repetitive but wow it would be a success
  • 1 1
 I hope they don't go away with OTT, I'm not a fan of self equalizing forks. Think the key to heavier riders with the new "D" version forks is setting the air pressure lower and the OTT on the firm (no OTT) side. Then bring the OTT up to your liking. Using the DVO guide (I'm well over 225lbs), it sat way deep in the travel and I had to run a lot of HSC because I blew through the travel. I ran 140psi to start for a month or 2, then went down to 125psi with the above setting. Just had to find the amount of HSC. It's firm enough and has mid support. I too find the rebound has no "open" setting. One click from full open is about the midpoint on other brands. I think you can adjust the shim stack, which you can remove without taking the fork apart. I liked the 1st version Diamond's adjustability more.
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 The OTT will still be an option on the new Onyx 38mm, not sure what the guy meant who said OTT was a weak point for heavier riders. We have lots of big boys on our products and they love the OTT, just max it out and set your air pressure.
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 @DVOSuspension1: would OTT also be possible in a air shock?
  • 2 1
 I personally have no issue with headset routing... What I have an issue with is frames no longer coming with the previous ports to revert it to that should the buyer elect to do so.
  • 2 0
 They lost me at the front brake hose - it should have went through the headset and steerer tube! This is literally unrideable.
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 It's a linkage driven single pivot bike. Knock off this flex pivot marketing nonsense.
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 This. The axle and main pivot are joined directly. It's a single pivot.

Even if "flex pivot" were a thing, the flex is in the seat stay, not the chainstay. If the chainstay is solid from pivot to axle it is single pivot period. The axle follows an arc just like any other single pivot. This is basically any Kona or old Commencal with marketing applied to their skinny chainstays "we meant them to flex!!" Nothing wrong with a well applied single pivot. My Druid and Meta AM are single pivots and great bikes. I also liked my horst bike.
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 Well it only has 3 links, so by definition it has to be a flex pivot. otherwise it wouldn't move at all.
1. frame (ground)
2. "rear triangle" ( coupler and output link merged into one)
3. crank link that connects to the shock (and back to the frame)
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 @mariomtblt: The fact it doesn't have a chainstay pivot doesn't make it not a single pivot. It's a single pivot period. This is Giant-style, where they try to save pennies by skipping a pivot. This is no different than giant "FlexPoint single-pivot rear suspension". That's exactly what Giant calls their version. They don't pretend it's not single pivot. They pretend the flex stay is innovative.
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 @eh-steve: yeah, you're right. honestly I cringe at suspension names in general. Most are just 4 bars. and it bothers me to no end that there is a branded suspension called "4bar".

In this case yeah it is a single pivot but the shock is still leveraged by the chain stay by a link. as opposed an Orange or a Cotic where it is fr fr a single pivot with the only leverage adjustment is the relative placement in regard to the BB lol
  • 2 1
 @mariomtblt: Linkage driven single pivot is a completely legit design. It gives the designer more control over how the suspension reacts. There are some really good single pivot designs out there, and also some bad 4-bar/horst ones. I'm a heavier rider, so a big thing for me is enough progression. As long as I have that and good pedalling support I don't care if it's single, horst, vpp (dw/switch) as long as it gets the job done. Though I'm also lazy and poor, so I don't think I'll be getting a Yeti any time soon (high cost, high maint). It's just irritating how they refuse to say single pivot and pretend this is something new that Giant hasn't been doing a long time on their low end bikes. Yes it's also done on high end XC bikes to save weight, but that just goes to show it's nothing special.
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 @eh-steve: You can achieve parity with all those suspension "types". Its all about how companies make compromises
  • 2 2
 Let's have a video deep dive into headset cable routing. Are there different versions that are more use friendly? What is the actual process of swapping brakes on some of these systems? PinkBike poll: How often do you change hydraulic brake hoses? My guess is very very rare, so this internal routing isn't such the issue it's made to be.
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 Enduro has done an article on it: enduro-mtb.com/en/headset-cable-routing
  • 2 0
 I wont buy into a fad or gimmicks, Threaded BBs, External cable, Hoses throughout, No electrics etc I'm a simple rider that wants a simple bike thats simple to work on.
  • 2 0
 Does this too mean a brake bleed everytime you need to change a pivot bearing ?

www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=246700&pagenum=1#commentid7210325
  • 1 0
 Interesting that the fr400 has tektro brakes and sr suntour forks. The 1x10 cues 10-48 cassette seems quite a nice range. Kinda wished they were dual crown but I know that's an old thing.
  • 3 0
 long dropper for the win.
  • 3 1
 We wanna be free, to service our bikes when we wanna do, and we wanna get loaded, and we wanna have a good time- King Gay
  • 2 0
 Lost me at cable routing. Shame, rea shame cause these bikes make a ton of sense.
  • 5 3
 Chainstay is ridic too short for long and XL
  • 5 0
 No, it‘s too long on the smaller sizes.
  • 1 0
 @FuzzyL: Even 434 is short for a bike with 470 reach. All about balance
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay: All about preference. Some think Orange is doing it right, others think Canfield is doing it right…
  • 1 1
 It seems to me if your going to run cables through the HS, its only clean if you go through the handlebar. Its a waste of time and money on this bike.
  • 1 0
 Where do I get those white Contis?

(Where do I get some DH Kryptotals in stock at all...)
  • 1 0
 there's plenty around just over the borders.
  • 1 0
 I'm just happy to see a durable 10 speed drivetrain again. bombproof, foolproof drivetrains are back baby!
  • 1 0
 Is Knolly still suing companies for having the seat tube intersect in front of the BB?
  • 1 0
 Don't care about the Bike but Onyx 38 isn't even launched and already at the bike.
  • 2 0
 that fork looks beefy! keen to hear more about tha!
  • 1 0
 If they made the flex stay a leaf spring, you could run a lighter coil spring.
  • 1 0
 Where do I get that amazing dropper post!
  • 1 0
 would be nice to see if its triple crown acceptable?
  • 1 0
 First bke I see with Cues. Never review Cues on a specialized website.
  • 1 0
 Headset cable routing = boycott.
  • 1 0
 Coil fork & coil shock stock! Love to see
  • 1 0
 When front disc cable running inside the fork?
  • 1 1
 Could be nice park bike, but another hard pass tnx to the cable routing.
  • 4 5
 they came to PB to adevertise a bike, they got destroyed on PB comments for dumb frame designs
  • 2 1
 Why is it called a 160?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Meta
  • 1 1
 I just can get excited about a mullet enduro bikes.
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