The New Santa Cruz V10 and Reserve 29" DH Wheels Are Official

Dec 4, 2018
by Paul Aston  

Santa Cruz's V10 chassis has been through many iterations since it launched in 2002, but one thing that hasn't changed is how often it claims podium places. The original machine had 26" wheels, a ridiculous 255mm of travel, a 67º head angle, a floating brake arm, and the first version of the Virtual Pivot Point suspension platform. 17 years later, the 2019 model of the V10 offers 27.5" or 29" wheel versions, a 'meager' 215mm of travel, a wide range of sizes and adjustable geometry via flip-chips at the lower shock eyelet and rear axle.

27.5" wheeled bikes are available in S, M and L sizes, while the 29er offers M, L, and XL, this gives a total range of reach from 410mm up to 492mm. Suitably, the chainstay lengths also increase between some sizes and are also adjustable to tune the balance of the bike. After riding a bunch of 29" downhill bikes this year and using different sized test riders on the bikes this makes complete sense; I'm convinced that if you have enough range to ride 29" it's simply more stable, smooth, and easier to ride fast. If you aren't tall enough, it will hold you back, making me question the existence of size Small downhill bikes with huge wheels. Santa Cruz also agree with this, and found that the taller riders gained more benefit from the big wheels in terms of seconds at the race track.

Santa Cruz developed the new V10 as an out-and-out race bike with 29" wheels, that suited all of their current team but also developed the 27.5" version at the same time to suit smaller riders. This is not one frame adapted to fit both sizes, but two separate frames with kinematics adjusted for each wheel size.

Santa Cruz are also launching a 29" downhill version of the Reserve wheelset. These will only be available aftermarket, laced with Syndicate-spec Chris King hubs and carry a lifetime warranty like all of their frames and wheels. Both products should be available to buy in February 2019.



V10 Details

Intended use: downhill
Travel: 215mm rear / 203mm front
Wheel size: 29" or 27.5" versions
Frame construction: Carbon Fibre
Sizes: 27.5" - S, M, L / 29" - M, L, XL
Frame Price: $3699 USD
Price: S Build - $5999 USD / X01 Build - $8199 USD
santacruzbicycles.com/v10

29" V10


Santa Cruz V10 29
The 29" V10 is a bike that we've been expecting for a while, having first seen it in Fort William under the Santa Cruz Syndicate.


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Greg Minnaar was the catalyst for making the 29" V10 happen and increasing the range of sizes. Photo: Sven Martin

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The 29" geometry table, with some modern numbers across the board.



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A flip chip is used at the rear axle, for 445/455mm long chainstays, or slightly longer links on the XL gives 450/460mm CS.
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The chainstay protector is ribbed to reduce chain noise.

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Another flip chip can be used to switch between the high and low geometry options.
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'Tube in tube' internal cable routing to keep things looking slick, but still easy to work on.



27.5" V10

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The 27.5" bike was developed simultaneously, but aimed at shorter riders.

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You'll notice the shorter reach, but shorter chainstays to go with them too.


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Along with the down tube protector to fend off flying rocks, there is also one further up to protect the bike when it's transported over a tailgate.

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There is a small mudguard to protect the shock from debris.


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The V10 will be available in the same two builds and as a frame kit for both wheelsizes


29" DH Reserve Carbon Wheels

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We don't have precise details of the Reserve DH wheelset, yet, but what we do know is that they have been developed in conjunction with the Syndicate in 2018. They will only be available as an aftermarket product with one choice of Chris King hubs and a 31mm internal rim width. Like all Reserve wheels they carry a lifetime warranty. Judging by the pricing of other Reserve wheels, these will cost $599 USD per rim, and $2199 USD for the Chris King wheelset.
Reserve DH Details

Intended use: downhill
Size: 27.5" or 29"
Wheel size: 29" or 27.5" versions
Construction: Carbon Fibre
Width: 31mm internal
Price: $2199 USD
santacruzbicycles.com


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244 Comments
  • 186 1
 I just gotta ask, what's up with the brake lines in the 27.5 picture?
  • 46 1
 Maybe they took the picture without any cables on it and drew them in badly...
  • 19 0
 a standard water hose ? I wonder the same
  • 200 0
 It's the 2019 SuperHoseBoostPlus+ cable and housing international standard.


Or a rendering?
  • 18 1
 it's winter. i guess cables require thick insulation to maintain the right temperature. Wink
  • 317 1
 You just forget how small 27.5 wheels are until you see them next to a brake hose.
  • 18 0
 You made me lol in the bathroom at work. @ninjatarian:
  • 11 1
 Are we back to using water as brake fluid? Only the global oil-based brake fluid oligarchy is stopping this from happening on a major scale.
  • 19 0
 I just know that I want this brake hose now.
  • 12 0
 Those are air brakes. They lock automatically when there is a leak.
  • 15 66
flag scary1 (Dec 4, 2018 at 3:02) (Below Threshold)
 I know I'm weird in that sometimes I just see my bike and it looks so awesome sitting there, I get all amped up to go ride, just looking at it...
Subsequently, this v-10 makes me embarrassed for the team of designers who need to convince eachother and the bosses that this is all they could manage aesthetically with full knowledge of what they produced a scant few years ago. Also, f***ing shiny primer...get the hell out of here.
  • 18 27
flag MTB-Colada (Dec 4, 2018 at 3:27) (Below Threshold)
 @scary1: i am sure it is a great bike, but in all fairness aesthetically the previous version was much better looking in my opinion.
  • 3 0
 --
  • 2 0
 Good to see we can fit some tubes inside the front triangle.
  • 7 0
 covered in heat shrink to minimise cable noise, silly
  • 4 0
 Looks like someone with some mad MS Paint skills.
  • 2 0
 @paulaston: Ha. Would not suprsise me. Seems like our brakes have gone without any serious standard changes for years. We are overdue.
  • 6 3
 @scary1: aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder.. This thing is a beaut!
  • 3 0
 Looks to be Pinkbike specific ... the brake lines are normal on the Vital page: m.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/Santa-Cruz-Releases-New-V10-DH-Bike-in-29-and-27-5-Along-with-Carbon-Reserve-29-DH-Wheels,2429
  • 1 1
 its the new water bottle mount. Just to please pinkbikers.
  • 2 0
 New low pressure hydraulic system - waaaay less effort at the lever. 7.9% more power, 14% less maintenance, 19.7% more control.
  • 1 1
 It's just a glitch in the matrix ;-)
  • 1 0
 @Boardlife69: pink bikers can NEVER be completely pleased!
  • 2 0
 @cxfahrer: Must SRAM if they're air brakes locking up at the worst possible times.
  • 1 0
 Gotta love renderings.. Someone forgot to change the line weights on their Illustrator?Photoshop before exporting smaller.. ahahah

Look at seat post and seat mast angles.. copy paste baby!
  • 2 2
 it's a brake hose and a gear cable - makes it look thicker
  • 10 0
 @tallbeast: They changed the photo
  • 1 1
 @ninjatarian: you can't bury the source of this vital discussion (pun really not intended).
  • 1 0
 they've taken the caliper off (or the lever), rotated it 360 degs, (accidentally probably) and reinstalled it. The twist will force the hose to sit out like that.
  • 1 0
 @SantaCruz you may send me your CAD models, I'll make some nice renders Smile (if you let me enough time to do all the peripherals xD)
  • 2 0
 Pretty sure your talking about where the rear shift cable housing and brake hose mirror each other where that come out of the down tube? That 2 lines is why it looks so thick.
  • 1 0
 @Dogbite14: thats what i assumed anyway.
  • 1 0
 @Will-narayan: Be careful what you wish for. They sent me steps of the dropouts for the Bullit once upon a time.
  • 151 0
 Error 404: cash not found
  • 20 1
 What do you mean? It's only £8,200 in the UK! Then a mere £1,600 for the reserve wheels (only available aftermarket, obviously). That leaves £200 change fro £10,000 ($12,700us).

An absolute bargain.

*rolls eyes*
  • 7 0
 @jamesdunford: Incredible! Honestly, the way things are going, I am really thinking of making an all out custom car, as custom BC Racing suspension is cheaper, a nice set of BBS wheels cost basically the same as the Reserve, as you have to buy 4 rims for the car, opposed to just 2 for the bike. As for the "pros ride this" argument.... Brosnan won a World Cup on a Boxxer Team!

P.S. Just rambling here Big Grin
  • 41 3
 It is not true that bikes are becoming more and more expensive- top-end bikes have always been unpleasantly expensive. Case in point: the 1994 Specialized Epic Ultimate retailed for $6,000 USD, featuring a fully rigid frame & fork, rim brakes, and 24-speed drivetrain (8-speed cassette). In today’s currency, that equates to over $10,000 USD. For a rigid hardtail. Just let that sink in for a second…

What has changed, obviously, is how much bike you now get for your money, which is astronomically better than before. Frame materials, manufacturing/craftsmanship, shifting, suspension, braking, etc. are all unfathomably better than 24 years ago. And not just at the top end, but even at the mid and low end of the spectrum too.

Now, this is not to say that modern bikes are not expensive. I’m definitely not the person who is spending $10k on a bike. But to say that today’s bikes are getting more expensive is simply not true- bikes have always been this way. It’s not a new phenomenon.
  • 1 0
 @ka-brap: @ka-brap: I wonder where the 1994 bike was made? And in what quantity? (I actually don't know, but if I had to guess I'd say in the USA and in much smaller numbers).
  • 12 6
 The TV in my living room is a 42inch LED TV. It’s much better than the TV I had in 1998, but it cost $400. Back then, a much worse TV cost $600. We are comparing a top of the range bike in two eras and now the bike is double the price.

I think Santa Cruz make great bikes, I really do. But to charge this much for a product which is 50% external companies components is a joke. AND, to then not even include the new reserve wheels is, frankly, disgraceful. That’s harsh, but I just find it a joke.

@ka-brap:
  • 3 0
 @jamesdunford: santa Cruz-expensive to operate/live here...prices reflect this.
  • 6 1
 @ka-brap: TBH I always wonder why top end bikes aren't more expensive. after all you can spend 20K or more an a pair of hi fi speakers then 50k for the amp if you want. you can spend a million on a car. im always surprised that bikes top out at a meagre 10k. no reason to spend that the 4k bikes are pretty much as good just need to get a bit more money out of rich people who want something to spend it on
  • 54 1
 Now just get the Hightower LT on the market with the new linkage. Then go pat yourselves on the back for a job well done.
  • 38 0
 And add an aluminium version of it as well!
  • 2 1
 This!
  • 5 5
 get a propain hugene, an angleset and with the remaining cash the trans cascadia entry fee -your welcome
  • 1 2
 @Christopop: Nah, too cheap...
  • 1 0
 March 2019
  • 1 0
 @Christopop: Yes!
  • 61 20
 Does "Reserve" mean that the product is inspired by rich snobs who often swing around the Napa Valley so it feels like they are paying premium for something normal people wouldn't pay for? Like they do with pricier juices made from fermented grapes and spend quite a lot of energy to convince themselves how well it tastes, how many nuances of different tastes and smells they can experience?
  • 27 0
 I'm waiting for the grand cru version. I don't want change from £20k.
  • 9 0
 @unclesomebody: what's the bike equivalent of the 30-year bottle of Crozes-Hermitage that turns out to be piss when you open it?
  • 13 12
 @BenPea: I think they should release their rims with according stickers... sorry, labels!. XC will be white, downcountry Chardonnay, DH red and Enduro is... Rosé. Then an aluminium rim called Tequila. Maybe a sealant filled with nano-tech sealing propagating particles called "llello".
  • 9 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I think this requires more thought, but mainly I can't quite believe that Levy has bullshitted down-country into actual existence. Where can I partake in this discipline? Are there special DC centres?
  • 13 10
 @BenPea: I cannot say more about how excited I am about the rise of Down Country. I always get downvoted into oblivion for it.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea:
Gotta be a cube. Old fashion design, geo and ride like s@st
  • 1 1
 @BenPea: Anything made by Crank Brothers?
  • 4 9
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 4, 2018 at 5:23) (Below Threshold)
 The only thing I can say is that the problem with Down Country is that most often than not, it works top down. People drop Enduro bikes to ride exact same bikes with less travel in the rear. it should be XCers trading their XC Marathon/Gravel bikes and beef them up a bit. They drink Whisky light instead of drinking proper beer instead of Bud light. Here! I told everyone what to drink!
  • 3 0
 @Franziskaner: I'm thinking a sexy boutique hardtail. Looks great in the cellar when you show your buddies but doesn't ride anywhere near as nice as your old trusty full squish.
  • 5 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I'd love to see a book compiling all your PB posts. What a f*cking mad read that would be.
  • 2 0
 @unclesomebody: Will you be my uncle?
  • 1 0
 Reserve is a soft name, especially for Santa Cruz.
  • 2 0
 welch's for me
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: A vintage crack n' fail that is one ride away from exploding?
  • 1 0
 Ugh, I hate carbon rims for DH so much. Just why?!
  • 1 7
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 4, 2018 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: Oh thank you... my favorite comment of all time is: if I go and take sht all over a grass field in autumn will psychodelic mushrooms grow out of my dunks?
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: only if you're a ruminant or a vegan
  • 1 0
 "Reserve", as in the feeling you have when considering buying them...
  • 1 0
 I have to assume that the lifetime warranty is slightly showing in the price. At $600 a rim, I’m even starting to think they are pretty reasonably priced. There’s an abundance of ~~$430~~ rims that don’t have the best warranty possible. I don’t know...
  • 33 1
 And all of a sudden, an Unno looks like a great deal.
  • 8 10
 They are less expensive than Most Yetis, Santas and Treks.
Small production numbers vs mass produced but same price?
Shows how insane biking has become
  • 9 1
 @NotNamed: there must be some secret price list that’s not on their website that you have access to. I see 5000EUR framesets.
  • 2 0
 @DrPete:
Their Ever complete bike is a better value for money than the (now) old gen V10 completes.
Framesets are expensive yes, but their completes are rather competttively priced compared to Trek and Santa Cruz, especially given the production costs invovlved in europe.
  • 1 0
 @Loki87: If only they offered more than 1 size.
  • 1 0
 @Loki87: Looked at their 130mm trail bike and the factory build is $10K USD. That's More than the similar builds from SC, Trek, and Yeti. Specifically, the SB130 XX1 build with carbon wheels is within $100 of that price. And that's the supposedly most overpriced brand on the market. Maybe there's a pricing difference in Europe but in the USA they're no less expensive. In fact most Santa Cruz builds are quite a bit cheaper for the XX1/carbon wheel version.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete:
Their trail bikes are more expensive here also, you´re right there.
We´re talking about the V10 here though, so that´s what i compare.
The Ever completes are better value for money at least in europe. Maybe Santas are cheaper in the US?
Also if we´re hitting 10000$/€ pricepoints anyways, personally i start looking at components first and price second and the Unnos have a lot of expensive and well thought out components on them, unlike Trek who have mostly Bontrager on their top of the line offerings which does look cheap, even though they may work well enough.
Anyways, it´s just an interesting thought experiment given the fact that Unno produce in europe with immense costs, yet some high end companies outsource production to cut costs, and they are still on a comparable price level.
So while i definitely like the 29er V10 (not so much the 27.5ers geometry) it leaves me with a bitter taste that they seem to charge a premium simply because of their name and the Unno comparison makes that painfully obvious (at least for us europeans).
  • 3 4
 @Loki87: oh irony, Bontrager stuff looks cheap on a top Trek build, but here comes SC with some carbon rims that break the same as every other rim and people will consider them as a top notch aftermarket stuff, instead of the cost-cutting house brand. And all it took was a 2 min video of Danny Mac. That's some genius marketing right there.

Pon Holding must be happy.
  • 5 0
 @ismasan: Cost-cutting house brand wheels have a lifetime no questions asked warranty?
  • 2 0
 @ismasan:
I'm with drpete here, warranty makes a difference. Also they are an expensive aftermarket option despite being inhouse. You're most likely right though, they cut costs for Santa Cruz, but at least they have something to set them apart from the rest in the warranty.
It's all about perceived value anyway and mostly comes down to resale value for most people and those wheels will get your bike sold before any Bontrager equipped Trek.
In the end any 10000$ bike is a ridiculously stupid investment and only worth the money from a emotional standpoint no matter the components.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: yep, and apparently they have to guarantee them quite often...

@Loki87: you're totally right about perveived value. One time I passed by a clothing store in a fancy area in London and got curious about something in the display; it was was an orange velvet tank top, plain. Price was £300. f*cking idols. I mean, if they can ask for that and someone will buy, go for it
  • 2 0
 @ismasan: what’s their warranty replacement rate? Regardless, you can’t exactly claim that they’re in it to make money yet still replacing wheels at some excessive rate. You can’t have it both ways.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: I don't say they they break at excessive rate; I wish I know exact numbers but they seem to fail as much as any other carbon rim, for what I've read.

And yes, you can have it both ways. They can be so damn cheap to produce that guaranteing them (and of course not every rim will need to) until the customer, for whatever reason, end up with something else still makes a desirable profit.
  • 1 0
 @ismasan: from what you’ve read where? I searched around when I was shopping for wheels and couldn’t find any discussions of frequent failures.

At least you’ve finally exposed why everyone at Santa Cruz is driving around in Bentleys: they’re giving away free wheels.
  • 35 6
 Will there be an aluminum non dentist version for the middle class? I don’t need carbon for a DH bike.
  • 14 0
 Give us a lead version SC!
  • 4 0
 @colincolin: You would probably have to smuggle it into the EU.
  • 14 1
 And Porsche still owes me a $25000 911 GT2 RS.
  • 1 0
 @colincolin: I laughed out loud at the library Big Grin
  • 3 0
 This. This is second to the Wilson 29 as the Wilson is alu only. All I want is a high spec Ali bike. Giant nailed it with the aluminum glory this year. We want more of that.
  • 2 0
 @Bflutz625: commencal supreme dh 29? By far the best bike ive ever ridden
  • 27 0
 There goes another 3500 wife points
  • 20 2
 Dear Santa.............."The chainstay protector is ribbed for your pleasure"
  • 6 1
 It's all part of an enjoyable ride
  • 1 0
 Ribbed chainstay protectors are all the hype now. We've come full circle. Time has come to use your old tires as chainstay protectors again.
  • 20 4
 just wait one more month and YT will release a 29 DH complete bike with same Santa Cruz frame only price...
  • 4 3
 But will anyone buy it without a top level rider that wins WC races? Better start making them in womens colors.
  • 1 1
 @Boardlife69: yeah, its going to be like 50% cheaper. Do you not just see a shit load of people riding Yt’s in your neck of the woods?
  • 3 2
 @Boardlife69: no ones winning EWS races with capras and they still sell lots of capras Wink
  • 1 0
 @drfunsocks: Hardly any in Canada.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: i suppose its a European company. We have loads of oranges and yt’s i guess you guys have loads of devinci’s
  • 1 0
 @drfunsocks: I rarely see devinci these days. Mostly rocky mountain, kona and trek around Alberta and BC. I don't think I've ever seen a YT in person and I ride most days of the week.
  • 1 2
 @Boardlife69: Yes, i'd rather have a Canyon carbon complete for $3,400 than the frame only from SCB. I can use the change for a season of race fees.
  • 1 0
 @gtbiker87: I see tons of YT in Vancouver island
  • 6 0
 @davidmcdias one of the worst after sale service vs one of the best if not the best at the moment...just can't compare both brands
  • 2 1
 But instead of raceface and SRAM it will have e13 and SDG components...lol
  • 13 0
 Even more than the ability to buy a $10k DH bike without flinching, I want the life that would let me ride said $10k DH bike as often and as hard as it deserves. It’ll happen someday when I’m too old and broken to enjoy it. Haha.
  • 12 0
 Thermal insulation of the brake hose, to prevent underheating of the brake fluid. Marketing dept. over and out.
  • 11 0
 Weird they don't offer a build kit with their own wheels?
  • 2 0
 Dare to dream that’s the price with the carbon wheels?
  • 2 0
 Now I see the aftermarket only sentence.
  • 3 0
 They know you'll need a backup wheelset in alloy...
  • 13 2
 So I need to be short for the good looking frame? Dang.
  • 3 0
 just accept the ugly one haha
  • 2 0
 Right? I want the new bike, 27.5, with a sensible reach for a guy who's 6'2"!
  • 8 0
 I love my V10, it just rides naturally.
I would love to try one of these bigger wheeled ones, but the old 26" full carbon one is so good I just justify the cost to change yet.
  • 10 0
 I want one and I don’t even ride DH.
  • 7 0
 Everyone should ride dh
  • 11 0
 Dear Santa..... Cruz
  • 10 2
 Just wait until someone at Santa Cruz realises they sent out the pre-production paint scheme mock-ups. Rob, you had 1 job! GET OFF KONA'S WEBSITE!!!
  • 9 0
 iT dOes CLiMB suRpriSinGLy WeLl
  • 8 1
 Shit that's a sick rig finally coming!!! Just have to get rich now, taking my hoe bag and walking down the street for some customers!!!
  • 4 0
 ????
  • 15 8
 I think I’ll stick with my commencal. It’s half the price and the syndicate couldn’t keep up to it last season.
  • 22 6
 And how many Syndicate riders have you beaten? It’s like there’s another variable in that equation or something.
  • 10 6
 @DrPete: Sorry I’m not a doctor so my grammar is poor. Let me correct my post. I think I’ll stick with commencal. They’re half the price and the syndicate couldn’t keep up with there bikes last season.
  • 6 0
 I was talking about the riders... Unless you think Commencal's riders would suddenly turn slow and start losing races on V10s.
  • 3 1
 I picked up a 2019 surpeme dh and it's by far the best bike ive ever touched.
  • 2 2
 The v10 and m16/m29 don't ride as well as some of their competition. Price aside, I would take a Supreme over the v10 because it's a better bike.
  • 1 0
 @Mntneer: how do everyone affirms that the supreme is better than the v10? I believe the supreme is a great bike but do not compare them if "nobody" tested the v10 yet.
  • 8 2
 The 27.5 is aimed for shorter riders? No XL version? Some people will be very pissed dear Santa Cruz. This christmas mister Santa will bring no Santa Cruz for some people.
  • 9 0
 Then again, the new size L is just 10mm shorter in reach compared to the old XXL, with old L being less than 10mm longer than the new S.
  • 1 0
 @jollyXroger: the older v10's were painfully short. The new numbers aren't as bad when you consider the wheel size options and sizes available
  • 3 0
 @Mntneer: Yes, Santa Cruz finally corrected their sizing nomenclature.
  • 6 2
 Are these the final production version of the links the Syndicate runs or something neutered for public consumption?

Is it me or is the geo still a bit on the conservative side?

I’m glad the 27.5 and 29 are unique and not some half-ass flip chip and headset cup to run different wheel size.

But with the new rules about being able to run different wheel size what is going to happen?
  • 3 0
 With very few exceptions. 90% of riders /Joe Blow public ride no where near fast or hard enough to justify the suspension set up the pros run. The hardest riding 'non WC pro's' can fine tune their suspension if needed.
  • 3 0
 Geo is pretty much in line with most recent 27,5 designs but seems conservative for a 29er. However i like that they did not make the 29er even slacker because as someone currently riding a 62 degree headangle i can say it does feel great in the chop it does also feel a bit rough and sluggish on flow trails. So this seems to strike a good middle ground for most folks. Apart from the HA i don't see anything not in line with the current state of geometry.
  • 3 0
 Those wheels do sound good....but... We are one wheels with CK hubs are $2200 CAN as opposed to $2200 USD. That's a 30% difference in Canada. I hope that if anyone has enough money to buy these things (I don't) that they support a small Canadian company trying to make sell a quality product and make a buck. 30% less money and also has a lifetime warranty.

I am also talking out my ass as I have flows on hope pro 4s and that's fine with me.
  • 4 0
 Looking forward to seeing it in motion until I got this Video unavailable This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Goto love copytheft BS
  • 11 8
 V10cc use to come with 240’s. Now it comes with 350’s. For 8300$.

That’s Pon ownership. A million small cuts to increase the profit margin hoping you won’t notice.

If they cut corners where you can see it, wonder where else they did it.
  • 9 1
 I'm still salty about the GUIDES that came on my V10
  • 8 6
 Or cutting costs on something that most serious riders will replace quickly.

I know some people who work for bike companies and they aren’t exactly rich. Your idea that the bike industry is this drug cartel that’s gouging its way to massive profits doesn’t square with reality.
  • 4 0
 @sfrucian: I get going cheap on OEM wheels but that’s just crazy.
  • 8 1
 @DrPete: then cut 600$ off the price and ship it with some Novatecs like they do with their trail bikes.

They raised the price and lowered the spec.
  • 2 0
 Nomad C/S and I think Bronson C/S builds come with 370 hubs when specced with reserve wheels. Wtf for $7500 and I'm only getting 370s which are found on $3000 bikes. I would be willing to pay $50 more to step up to 350s at least.
  • 2 1
 That 30% tariff cost has to come from somewhere :-\
  • 5 2
 "...but also developed the 27.5" version at the same time to suit smaller riders..."

Damn since when have 27.5" wheels transitioned to suit "smaller" riders?? I just stepped into the 27.5 world and I wouldn't consider myself a smaller rider. I guess I need to sell my new bike then already
  • 3 0
 Yes.
  • 17 1
 27.5 developed to suit smaller riders, 29 wheels for taller riders...?

Millennials; "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY WHEEL PREFERANCE?! We demand wheel size neutrality!
  • 4 0
 @vonroder77: MICROAGRESSION!!!!

Pinkbike is supposed to be our safe space, what is going on!!!?!?!?!?
  • 2 0
 Yeah I never understood the industry's narrative of your height having anything to do rolling resistance, climbing ability, and wheelbase lol.
  • 6 0
 Wheel size scales with frame size. Who'd of thunk it.
  • 4 0
 Looking forward to a long term review, excited to see how it stacks up against other 29er DH bikes. Smile
  • 6 0
 Holy chain stay length!!
  • 5 0
 Cool bikes..

Almost died on one, 10/10 would recommend.
  • 6 1
 Where's the 26" bike park version???
  • 3 1
 $3600 for a frame only? An Intense M29 frame only is $2500. Hell you can get a Commencal Supreme 29 frame only for as little as $1600. Why pay the middleman markup. Direct to consumers for the win!
  • 4 0
 Granted, the Supreme comes out to $2250ish or more once you add your shock. The m29 is definitely a deal, however
  • 2 0
 I love the look of these bikes, so sleek and some damn beautiful lines! I am just trying to come up with some reasons now why I NEED and DH bike in the stable! Thanks SC for keeping the 27.5 wheels too!!! Lots of love!
  • 3 0
 "You'll notice the shorter reach..."
Actually, on the M and L, I notice identical reach....
  • 3 0
 Why not direct mount for 200mm rotor? Would anyone ever want a 180 on this. No.
  • 1 1
 actually codes or saints with 180 is fine if you dont weigh a ton. 200mm in the back hit stuff, bend easier, makes sense in a way, especially if you ride real tech, not some 5 lane highways.
  • 1 0
 For reference the new Large 27.5 bike is almost the same dimensions as the previous XXL bike. Same BB, same CS, reach is 8mm shorter. XXL becomes L. The times, they are a changin'.
  • 1 0
 *sees ribbed chainstay* “That’d be annoying to clean”
*sees shock surrounded by frame* “That’d be even more annoying to clean”
  • 4 0
 Looks like a V10
  • 3 0
 Santa Cruz please make that chainstay guard fit all bikes !
  • 2 0
 this.
  • 2 0
 Humm,...time to turn down the lights and put on some Barry White. I love me some V10.
  • 3 1
 well, this kind of sucks. so what SC is telling me here is that I cannot ride a 27.5 any longer if I want it to fit!?
  • 2 0
 There's always plenty of used bikes... www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2458608
  • 1 0
 @tkiehl: what the hell kind of Poor do you take me for? Used is for Paupers!!
  • 3 0
 Dear Santa...
  • 6 2
 ... 29er nomad please
  • 1 0
 @Freeridejohn: Hopefully it gets size-specific (and adjustable) chainstays as well.
  • 2 0
 @Freeridejohn: No 29er Nomad, but the HTLT redesign drops in March 2019.
  • 2 1
 Santa cruz's new invention of the brake hose, They now use hose pipes... More oil = better braking performance!
  • 1 0
 It's the oil trying to escape after a test ride with G.Minaar, it couldn't put up with the profuse tech jargon
  • 1 0
 Hey dad, grandpa's over here! He's mumbling about "damn kids" and "something about downhill both ways"
  • 3 1
 What is that with brake hoses on 27.5"??
  • 5 0
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/16637815
  • 2 0
 I like the hose boost plus, but now you linked this pic you can see the fork and shock are photoshopped in. The hose was a glitch?? Or done purposefully...gave us boost hose at least.
  • 9 7
 29er is a thing of the past. 36er is the future ????
  • 3 1
 Downhill is dead . . . . . . On the Serengeti plains.
  • 1 0
 I would love to see breakdown cost to build a bike like this. how did they came about to reach $8,199
  • 1 0
 Is it even considered new, if their team riders have been riding it for the whole season?
  • 3 1
 A ribbed protector designed to reduce noise. Yeah. Sure.
  • 3 1
 How DARE they make a bike that I want but can’t afford?
  • 1 0
 Classic Santa Cruz
  • 1 0
 Want this so bad. Wish it came in the brighter colors but this is such a amazing looking ride
  • 1 0
 I am sure someone into DOWNCOUNTRY will have already brought this up. Where the heck are the bottle holders?????!!
  • 1 0
 Seems like a distant memory now that "29ers are cool, because that's obviously not true" sign at Crankworx Whip Off
  • 2 0
 I wish I could afford one of these shredding machines!!!
  • 2 0
 I bet this thing is sick as fuck.
  • 2 0
 DUde I'm sorry but this video is FUCKIN LEGIT!! got me HYYYYYPED
  • 1 0
 Hopefully they fixed the butt kick thingy of the previous model. Had my balls smashed on the steeps.
  • 1 0
 Awesome bike. Wheels suck. Buy We Ae One. Way better and cheaper. I have both in 27.5
  • 2 0
 They got rid of the boost hose!!
  • 2 1
 Another group think colorway...Toyota, ford, kona,..bikes, cars, ..come on designers.
  • 1 0
 Decent geo for the wagon wheel version with a short seat tube. Only downside is the seat angle is still too slack.
  • 1 0
 When you flip the dropout chips to adjust chainstay length, won't that mess with the position of the rear brake caliper?
  • 2 0
 They're so cool but so expensiiivvveee
  • 1 0
 Overall design aside... the shock mud flap and chain stay protector are brilliant!!!
  • 1 0
 I think you guys missed the "18+" subject section for this post.
  • 2 1
 Dang. V10 29 S build in carbon or Wilson 29 X01 in Aluminum? Go
  • 2 0
 Wilson Because the frame price matchs the manufacturing price and I know where it's made and who makes it.
  • 2 0
 alu wilson, because hand made in canada, alu sourced near the factory too
  • 1 0
 thanks boys, that's what I was thinking too.
  • 1 0
 Will the 27.5 be available in grey?
Thanks
  • 1 0
 no mate just black in 27.5
  • 2 1
 They always make them so small.
  • 1 0
 My 275 V10 is for sale...need this bike.
  • 2 1
 No motor? This bike is bigger than my 125!
  • 2 1
 is it a 10 cylinders engine??
  • 1 0
 There is not a 27 5" DH rim, only 29" Frown
  • 2 0
 ribbed for your pleasure
  • 1 0
 Why not the cool seafoam green with red decals
  • 1 0
 Dentist here: 7 root canals worth bike and wheels.
  • 1 0
 Soo.... its the V8.78 now?
  • 1 0
 No 26? Total discrimination to little people by bike manufacturers!
  • 1 0
 Ribbed chainstay protector for MY pleasure
  • 1 0
 We Are One is still a better pricepoint and made in Canada.
  • 1 0
 Whaat!
  • 1 1
 i would have prefeer to see the 29 version with the same chainstay
  • 2 2
 You think if I hit a tree it'll snap in half?? ????
  • 9 0
 Yeah the tree won't stand a chance.
  • 2 1
 @mburnes: I meant the bike haha, referring to minarrs infamous crash where he wrapped the new 29 around a tree and it shattered.
  • 2 1
 No water bottle?
  • 1 2
 honestly bummed there'ss no XL with 27.5, guess a nomad with 40 up front is the fun DH option
  • 5 0
 The new large is longer than the old xl.
  • 1 1
 @Mntneer: and still not large enough
  • 1 0
 commencal furious
  • 1 1
 No short review, no 29er geo?
  • 1 1
 its nice but there are better bikes around...imo imo imo counts for shit
  • 1 0
 Climbs like an xc bike
  • 2 2
 WAAAAAAANTTT.
  • 1 2
 What's with ridiculously long seat tubes especially for a dh bike.
  • 2 0
 still all pros run long seatposts -makes you wonder -not?
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