For a brand as entrenched in the world of gravity racing and freeriding, it should have come as no surprise that YT's first foray into the trail bike market was going to leave its mark. Since its release last year, YT's
Jeffsy 29 went on to win its fair share of fans, but YT were not oblivious to a simple fact; not everyone wants or needs a 29er.
Looking back, the Jeffsy 29's successes are hard to ignore, yet it very nearly wasn't to be with a 27.5" varient gracing the design studio walls long before 29" wheels were being touted as the wheel size of choice for their new trail bike platform. But after a fact-finding trip to the UK, the opportunity to do something unorthadox was too hard to pass.
Details• Intended use: trail riding
• Travel: 150mm & 160mm
• 27.5" wheels
• 12x148mm Boost rear (standard front)
• 66°- 67° adjustable head angle
• Carbon and alloy build options
• Six options in the range
• YT's Virtual 4-Link System
• Adjustable BB drop +/- 9mm
• External and internal cable routing
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• CF One weight: 29.04 lb (13.41kg), size large weighed
• www.yt-industries.com
Influenced by what they witnessed on that trip (blame Steve Jones) they decided to defy categorization and make some noise with a rad 29er. Born in the UK and engineered in Germany, the Jeffsy 29 packed fun loving attributes into a balanced and easy to ride package and set the tone for YT's arrival on the trail bike scene. While the Jeffsy 29 did an amazing of job of introducing YT to a new demographic, while simultaneously converting many riders to the benefits of big wheels, it didn't appeal to everyone.
There is, of course, a large group of riders out there who are looking for a fun loving trail bike and who were put off by a lack of choice in the wheel size department from YT. It may come as no surprise that 29" wheels are not universally popular across the world so the arrival of the Jeffsy 27 was never far behind that of its larger sibling. And almost one year later, here it is.
Frame DesignThere's no escaping how similar the Jeffsy 27's frame is to the Jeffsy 29 and at a glance, it's easy to confuse the two especially as YT have deliberately homogenized the paint and graphics across both bike lines for 2017. Similarly, the layout of the proven Virtual 4-Link System (V4L), which is YT's take on the Horst Link system, directly follows on from the Jeffsy 29, but now runs a 230mm metric shock delivering 150mm of rear travel—10mm more than the 29er. While YT's engineering mastermind and CEO, Stefan Willared, confirmed that the metric sizing did little to boost suspension performance, the metric RockShox Deluxe shock did play a crucial part in the Jeffsy 27's development. Thanks to it's 'modified' behavior, dishing out enhanced sensitivity at the start, support at the sag point and stability as it ramps up towards the end (all YT's have progressive curves I may add), it ultimately defined how the Jeffsy 27's kinematics were achieved.
But all is not as it seems in the suspension department as there is a black sheep, or should I say a 'Liquid Metal' sheep, in this family. The all-singing and all-dancing, silver and black Fox equipped CF Pro Race option, sports 160mm of travel, front and rear. YT achieved this by increasing the shock stroke length on the custom Fox Float-X shock by 5mm, going from 60 to 65mm. Adding the 160mm travel Fox 34 Float Factory forks up front to balance things out, they also rake the head angle out by one degree, going from a more trail friendly 67 to a more aggressive 66-degrees.
This configuration will appeal to riders who regularly frequent portions of trail where a bit more travel and a slacker head angle wouldn't go amiss, yet a full-on enduro machine like YT's imitable Capra, would be equivalent to taking a gun to knife fight. Indeed, comparing the two bikes side-by-side reveals just how burly the Capra is and just how different these two bikes are with the Capra's hardware being a whopping 3mm bigger (which is significant) on average and that's just for starters. Adding this 160mm option within the Jeffsy 27 range was intended to help bridge the gap rather than blur the lines between an enduro bike and a rock-and-roll trail smasher like the Jeffsy 27.
With internal routing throughout, unlike the Jeffsy 29 which only catered for a dropper post and the portion of gear cable through the chainstay, the Jeffsy 27 strikes a more refined look. If you're still not sold on 1X drivetrains, there are two Jeffsy 27s with front derailleurs, one carbon, and one alloy option. While most of us have long since moved on from such setups, others haven't and believe it or not, there is still demand within this sector for bikes with a 2X system. Out back, the 12x148mm Boost enabled dropouts help with additional stiffness while similarly aiding in a clean chain line. A BB92 bottom bracket shell means you're still faced with a push-fit interface, but this smaller push-fit standard does, however, go some way to quash many of the issues which surround its larger sibling, the dreaded BB30.
Geometry and OptionsWhen comparing the Jeffsy 27's geometry to that of the 29, the reach numbers have grown, equating to an average extension of about 15mm across the size spectrum, which is a welcomed sight. The 67° head angle and 430mm chainstays also equate to a bike that's designed for pedaling and mile munching as much as it is slapping turns and popping jumps, although the slacker CF Pro Race does have a more appealing head angle, residing at 66°.
The 341mm BB height is also a nice touch and while some would say it could be lower, let's not forget this a trail bike and not an enduro bike and clearance is key, especially if you ride natural trails. While the headtube grows by a welcomed 10mm per size, so does the seattube height which grows by an average 40mm per size, which I think is excessive given that we have dropper posts like the RockShox Reverb for example, with travel options ranging from 100mm to 170mm. I'll touch on this later in the article, but aside from that, the Jeffsy 27 has some solid numbers in the geometry department.
With six bikes in the range sporting a variety of specifications and price points, the team at YT aimed to deliver six uncompromising packages for each bike. When asked if they could go even cheaper, they said it was possible, but at the cost of the riders experience as each component is carefully chosen to exceed expectations while also fulfilling budgetary criteria.
Prices - EUR / USD / CAD / GBP:
• CF Pro Race: €4499, $5599, $6999, £3799
• CF Pro: €3999, $4799, $5999, £3399
• CF One: €3599, $3999, $4999, £2899
• CF Two: €3399, $3999, $5099, £2899
• AL One: €2599, $2999, $3799, £2199
• AL Two: €2099, $2599, $3199, £1799
Colors:
• CF Pro Race: Liquid Metal
• CF Pro: Coral Red / Rawe and Rawe / Jet Black
• CF One: Snow White / Rawe and Rawe / Jet Black
• CF Two: Snow White / Rawe and Rawe / Jet Black
• AL One: Jet Black / Coral Red
• AL Two: Jet Black / Snow White
The rugged hills above Malaga and the Spanish Costa del Sol would play host to the launch and throw a multitude of terrains in our path over the two days we were there. From the region's iconic loose and marble-like surfaces to Utah-like slick rock and good old Mediterranean hard pack. While the January weather behaved itself for one day, it didn't last, quickly being replaced by freezing temperatures that brought snow and rain to this mostly sun-kissed part of the world. While the weather did its best to dampen our spirits, the Jeffsy 27 did its best to do the opposite, picking up the "good times" mantle of every YT before it—these guys really do make fun bikes.
Settling on the RockShox sprung CF One, with its SRAM X1 drivetrain, Guide RS brakes, e*thirteen TRS wheels and Maxxis High Roller II rubber, the scene was set. Thanks to the simplicity of the RockShox dampers, initial set up was a breeze with only a little fine tuning required as the day progressed. Our first port of call, shuttling the trails of El Chorro to get a feel for the Jeffsy 27. From steep, loose, and off camber sections to mellow singletrack with undulations that were prime for creative interpretation, the Jeffsy 27's personality didn't take long to show its face.
Having ridden the Jeffsy 29, one of my only criticisms rested on the somewhat cramped reach numbers which thankfully haven't been brought to the Jeffsy 27. The extra room was a welcome addition, allowing for a quicker transition and a greater focus on the Jeffsy 27's other attributes. Dropping into one of the main trails at El Chorro, you're immediately into some rough chatter followed by a series of compressions that did little to throw off the Jeffsy's descending prowess. The unnecessarily high seattube was a minor issue, at least for myself, decreasing stand over and impeding my ability to man handle the bike in certain scenarios, but it was something I quickly adapted to.
Pointing the Jeffsy 27 down steep portions of trail and maintaining your line choice was similarly easy although the slacker 160mm travel CF Pro Race would have yielded greater stability in such scenarios. YT did a lot of testing before settling upon the 67-degree head angle and didn't want to go any slacker, potentially compromising the ride feel on less than gnarly trails. With El Chorro's trails giving us a taste of just about everything that the Jeffsy 27 was designed to handle, we decided to push the envelope and made our way to 'Happy Days', an iconic DH track nearby that's packed with loose, steep corners and sizeable hucks…
Dropping into Happy Days you're immediately into a series of tight banked corners loaded with loose stones that promote a heightened degree of conviction on the anchors and holding your line. As you progress down the hill, it's not long before you're staring down the barrel of some sizable drops and doubles. Taking the Jeffsy from a location and a series of environments it was designed for and to a track like Happy Days, which funnily enough was where I first rode YT's Tues DH bike back in 2015, would highlight its behavior in environments that pushed the limits. To say I was impressed is an understatement, as the Jeffsy 27 continued to prove how capable and indeed, versatile, it could be.
But this isn't a DH bike, and on day two it was time to pedal. Ditching the trucks, we climbed the mountain behind Happy Days to access a series of singletrack trails that would take us back into town. The drop in temperature and random (for Malaga) weather that followed made for an interesting day, but a day in the saddle would introduce us to a series of differing trails and climbs, with each one putting pay to any doubts that the Jeffsy 27 is anything but a superbly versatile machine. From flat out, rock-strewn trails to one of the gnarliest trails I've ever ridden in Malaga and back up again, the Jeffsy 27 proved to not only be the right tool for the job but one of the most fun in the toolbox.
 | An adept climber and a fun loving descender, the Jeffsy 27 felt like the culmination of both the Jeffsy 29 and indeed, the Capra, when confronting a variety of wildly contrasting terrain types. While distinctions must be made between the Jeffsy 27 and the Capra, the versatility to tackle aggressive terrain will suit those of us who spend most of their time extracting the fun from the kind of trails where a Capra would be nothing short of overkill, but similarly, like to push personal boundaries from time to time. It's this very penchant for fun and creative interpretation of the trail that hit a chord for me and one I've felt before, most notably on just about every bike these guys make. It's not perfect, but at this price point, all six of them, YT have endeavored to produce a bike that gives way more than it gets, and in doing so will put a smile on your face. - Olly Forster |
MENTIONS: @YTIndustries
Why, oh why, do manufacturers insist on sticking seattubes up our behinds?! My current bike has a 500mm seattube and I can just about use a 150mm dropper post but even then I find the saddle height can be intrusive when slammed on steeper decents. Looking at the geometry chart for this bike (and for all other YT bikes...and Santa Cruz...and a whole lot of others) I would want the XLs length but at 520mm the seattube is way too long! If it's been extended by 40mm then it would have sat at 480mm, which would have been fine! Sort it out! However, I am glad to see that the chainstays are lengthened on the L & XL sizes. As a taller rider I've grown sick of feeling like I will loop out everytime my weight shifts rearwards because of tiny chainstays!
Rant over.
Bike looks great, sounds fun and I would seriously think of buying one...if they cut down the seattube on an XL for me ;-)
The Reverb I have here has 100mm of post length before max insertion not including the 150mm drop allowing you a 250mm post length total - You seriously need a longer post than 250mm?
@SramMedia and all the other manufactures, make an option for @lkubica and his three buddies to have a longer tubed seatpost dropper. Or just keep making the 170mm post. That will work just fine for him and then he can ride steeper stuff without eating shit.
Just checked it out, your right. As an individual who has been sizing up for Large's for a few years now, but only able to run a 125mm dropper because of my shortish inseam I am glad to see the reach on the medium is 440mm, whereas my current two bikes are 445mm and 450mm reaches, both in Large.
I am seriously considering a YT as my next bike. Keep it up guys.
I ride Large as I'm 6', but my current bike has a 468mm seat tube and the Jeffsy 27 is 480mm, yet my 150mm on my bike only sticks out like 8mm with my short legs/long torso so I'd have a hard time fitting a 150mm on the Jeffsy, yet would love to run a 170mm if I could!
@buckley you have my vote....my XL mega goes up 50mm on ST for a 20mm reach increase based on a Large.....it's 20"/508mm and hinders a bike capable of steep gnar......i am eyeing up my hacksaw
its all about compromises, unfortunately your legs are just too far on the stumpy side of the range of your current bike! maybe consider getting one of them super long bikes (like a mondraker) so you can have the length you want on a smaller size that allows for the seatpost you want.
Also what about having a longer seatpost on your short seat tube? Problem fixed!
Si short seat tubes and long travel dropper for everyone !
So yeah this bike isn't for me but I definitely recognize that people wanting a bottle cage inside the front triangle and also want to run their modern long travel dropper post will be happy with a bike like this.
I'm 6' 2" and my legs / torso are of a reasonably even ratio - I'm not lanky and I don't have stumps for legs either. My current bikes have reach / top tube numbers that are in the ballpark of the XL of the Jeffsy 27, so if I wanted to buy one, that's the size I would want as the L would feel cramped. That's where the issue of the seattube comes in, and as I said, it's not just YT who seem to do this but almost every other brand. @driftmonster commented about a SC Nomad - that bike is shorter in XL than my current bike so no point and I could buy a complete bike for the price of a frameset alone. Mondraker has been mentioned a couple of times but let me put it to you like this: Top spec Jeffsy CF Pro Race 27 is £3799... Top spec Mondraker Dune Carbon XR (Yes I know it has a coil shock and is more of an enduro bike but I went for same 160mm travel as the Foxy XR only has 140mm) is £7399... Why should I have to pay £3600 MORE for a bike that fits me?! I could buy 2 YTs! All YT needed to do was keep the seattubes shorter and provide longer dropper posts... OR... give the option of what length of dropper you need... under 6'4"? You'll take a 150mm dropper... over 6'4"? Take a 170mm... At 6'2" I fall on the crossover point between the L and XL on YT sizing chart and I'm not within an uncommon height range. Sort it out!
Except a long dropper on a short seat tube does not ride the same as a proper seat tube length with a 150mm or 170mm dropper. If it was just about adding seat tube length via a dropper they could all make just one size frame and add up to a 400mm dropper. But the ride characteristics change.
_ for taller riders, at real ride height, the angle will still be flat and weight seriously biased towards the rear making uphill rides a pain like my Slayer of 10 years ago
_ it makes inconsistent position depending on your size (not just weight biase)
_ it puts more stress on the dropper post.
Put real steep and short seat tubes and the world will be better. Well almost
I need to know! Would love a 29er Capra, actually.
I agree with the Bronson / Nomad thought. Some of us think this should be more of a 5010.
Nooooo!!! (the last peron i wanted to sound like was Trump!!!) lol....thanks for the heads up!, i'll try and be less presidential next time!
I assume the Jeffsey 27 will have a similar feel: all 150mm of all mountain travel on fast & aggressive terrain, but more like 130mm at lower trail speeds.
...and I really like the CF Pro Race frame. I'd totally rock that...
...in a year or two when I can get it on the used market for $600 and not care if it breaks.
For the Spec of the YT you would be upto closer to $9000 from the 'big fashionable' brands like Santa Cruz, Intense and Yeti.
You could buy and end of year YT, bin the frame and probably still get decent value for money out of the build kit.
Conversely, $2000 will get me just about anything I want two seasons used. Picked up my like-new 2014 Enduro 29 Expert for $2200 in fact. So that's "used-bike" money.
$6000 is also used bike money if you shop for a Yeti / Santa cruz etc.....
The YT (US Pricing) value proposition is just not quite as good as I think it needs to be for me to buy a direct to consumer bike.
I mean look at the Basic Jeffsey CF model vs a Stumpjumper FSR Comp Carbon 650b...the YT build is just slightly better for the same price.
Jeffsey CF vs TRANCE ADVANCED 2 = same story... giant is $125 more than the YT..similar builds YT a bit better.
Jeffsey CF vs Trek Fuel EX 9.7? Trek gives you a really good build here for $4000...virtually the same as the YT and the pricing is the same.
I am looking at the basic Carbon Trail bikes from all four companies here and I just dont see any significant savings or Major component upgrades. There is a slight component upgrade with the YT in all cases, but really not much better than the bikes that will have local support.
@Racer951: I only used the highest cost model because I happen to really like that one...it has nothing to do with the components though, just the frame. I'm not comparing any YT to any "battered 3 year old Specialized", cause I agree the YT would be a smarter buy in that case. There are plenty of virtually new condition 2014-15 Spec/Trek/SC/Intense/etc bikes available in the $1500-$2500 range even just here on Pinkbike. Those are bikes that retailed in the $5-8k range new. THOSE are a better buy, to me, since being the first owner of a bike carries no weight for me whatsoever.
In comparison for around that money you get the Stumpjumper Expert carbon for £4000 which is has a spec similar to the £2800 YT Jeffsy.
US Dollar prices usually translate to our prices in GBP so you can see how some things are really quite expensive here.
But it sure looks to me that a YT is a better value than the Stumpjumper.
Both the basic carbon models are $4000.
I think you would save sales tax also on the YT.
Stumpjumper comes with a Yari, GX, Monarch RT
Jeffsy comes with a Pike RCT3, X1, deluxe RT3.
That seems like a lot more for the money to me.
For the top end model. I could build myself a similar specc'd Evil Calling. 130/140 travel bike with a super deluxe and metric sizing. Pickup up a Fox 34/36 for around 600.00 on Ebay. Pickup a great Wheelset for around 700.00. Etc.
IMO no question what the choice is!!! Nobody pays retail for parts anymore.
YT needs to drop the prices 1000.00 per model to get me to buy. The 5600.00 model should be 4600.00. How can the high end model not even have Eagle? I can build an XTR drivetrain with an E.13 9-46t cassette for around 600.00.
I really like the bike and would love to own one but not at this pricing.
I am sure you are happy with your bike, I just dont think the value proposition is a screaming deal. plus its not $500 less unless you are talking about a clearance bike which you equally likely to find with the major brands
This argument is really getting old.
XX1/XO1 = XTR
X1 = XT
GX = SLX
NX = Deore
So yes, XT is better than GX.
I don't disagree with you on your overall opinion though - the YT has to be ALOT cheaper to be competitive, and in every case that i've seen, it's not.
It's exactly 1" bigger than 26" and nearly 2" smaller than 29".
It's all estimates and rounded up or down..
And 29" wheels are 700C ;-)
If you look at the measurement with 2.0" tyres you will see:
26x2.0 = 660.6mm = 26.0"
650Bx2.0 = 685,6mm = 26.99"
29x2.0 = 723,6mm = 28.49"
(source: www.bikecalc.com/wheel_size_math)
Dammit, he's right - mine measure up at 28"..!
That's it - I'm going tubeless immediately so that I can let some air out.
The wheels are 27.5/650b, YT just calls it something different.
The point was to see what bike he has (the question I asked), and to mention that a 150mm bike now, might pedal as well or better than his 130mm bike, which might help with a decision when it comes to a trail bike. What's YOUR point, other than pointing out that road bikes pedal really well?
Jeffsy 27 = Connor McGregor. Bobs and weaves then strikes like a mofo.
2 different personalities.
My plan was actually to have the Capra as quiver-of-one bike since I don't go at mach speed or do more than 6feet drops in the bike park. Thus the Capra is enough and often more fun even in the park.
But then I couldn't resist and added a new DH bike (solid strike evo factory) just for it's beauty.
Here for the YT 27, so close, so so close:
- A boost standard up front would allow buyers to resell and re-buy a pair of wheels more easily, here believe me it's a nightmare,
- Threaded BB wouldn't cost them much and would be mechanically more convenient and durable,
- ISCG05 would be very, very nice for agressive riders
- You did it, the frame is metric now, but trunion mounts?
Could you precize in which part the 29 could be "superior" and which part the 27 could be superior, please.
It could help a noob like me to decide between the two models.
thanks in advance
27.5 will accelerate quicker due to size and weight, transition from corner to corner quicker, be slightly easier to move around in the air due to less gyroscopic force. it will also provide stiffer, stronger wheels all things being equal. The wheels also end up lighter, all things being equal. They also generally have more travel which may be an advantage depending on your riding.
Both sizes win Enduro races. both sizes win XC races. Don't let people fool you into thinking one is significantly better than the other, race data proves this isn't true, and it also proves lots of pros use the "smaller" size to win gold medals at the highest level of every mtb discipline including XC as recent as last year. So yea, pick either size, don't expect huge advantages but rather a give and take. If one was a significant advantage, Rude wouldn't have won the enduro overall twice. Sam Hill wouldn't have won an event. Graves wouldn't have won the overall. Nino wouldn't have won the overall (prior to the switch). Pick a size that suits you, ride it, enjoy it. Then post here an argue about it, it's the PB way!
I do admit though, prices of the YT are better, as per.
Of course confirmation bias is a hard thing to rule out, but Strava seldom tells lies. . . it's faster than any other bike I've owned
& oh yeah, because it's heavier - when I get out on my road bike!!! it's blisteringly quick (once more - thank you Strava)
also bringing in a bike that was purchased from a direct to consumer brand to a bike shop is a sure fire way to get charged more. it has happened to me. it is a slap in the face to them. i dont want to buy a bike from you but i want you to do the hard repairs for me.
What I'd do is call a few bike shops ahead and get quotes prior to even bringing your bike in. That way they can't stiff you when they see what kind of bike you roll into the shop.
this did happen to me a couple years ago before yt, canyon, etc had really gained mainstream acceptance in colorado. most shops have been chill about it.
The new Evil Calling, SC 5010, Spec Camber 27.5 are a few in that range. The Evil sure looks sweet.
Besides those issues, I still really dig the bike and look forward to riding it a ton this coming year. From what I can tell it seems to be excellent quality and value for my money. Oh yeah, and my LBS could care less that I bought it from a consumer-direct company like YT.
If the goal is to make it all climbing/descending, i think the Jeffsy is a better choice, considering you already got a DH bike !!
Enduro=150-180mm
All Mountain = 1??-1??mm
Been thinking of downsizing a bit to 150mm but not convinced 10mm is actually going to make any difference.
I imagine a new Capra as a 180 27.5 and/or a 160-170 29er
They made their first downhill bike 6 years ago?
www.bike-magazin.de/uploads/tx_saltnews/79/79b8d43a6ba032e7b26d4647f9208f0f132481ce.jpg
Proprietary shock?
More interesting would be a 29'' front wheel and a 36 up front in the CF Pro Race to make it the ultimate Enduro weapon!
Capra has 10-13%* more travel but has a 25% more progressive leverage curve.
Both bikes weight pretty much the same.
So what are you basing your guesses on playfulness and climbing performance between the two on?
* depending on the shock
And web site doesn't have it clearly written neiter.