Sam Pilgrim on Haibike?
The teamrumours were flying in the comments when Sam announced he was off his long-time frame sponsor NS Bikes. After seeing Sam on a Haibike in his Christmas video (above) and a recent Ryan Taylor video, it looks like Sam might have gotten himself an eMTB sponsorship.
No word on whether he'll bring on an "acoustic" frame sponsor for his dirt and slope riding, or if we're going to see him attacking the 2018 Joyride course in reverse on his eMTB.
He's confirmed to be riding both Fox and Marzocchi suspension.
No word on whether he'll bring on an "acoustic" frame sponsor for his dirt and slope riding, or if we're going to see him attacking the 2018 Joyride course in reverse on his eMTB.
He's confirmed to be riding both Fox and Marzocchi suspension.
He also ruled out several brands, like Dartmoor, Specialized, YT Industries, Canyon, and others, while leaving the door open on Haibike, Trek, and Orbea. Trek would be able to provide both the eMTBs he's interested in as well as his bread-and-butter dirt/slope bikes.
Given these videos, our money is on Haibike.
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Sam Pilgrim is a sellout
P.S. How do you know what he's into, maybe he's doing this on purpose?
Daaaaaaaf*ck........?
Thing is....
I actually agreed with your initial comment
You didn't finish the equation
@ugez: God bless James Deen for he has shown us how to love deeper.
Geez, what am I writing. But I really couldn't help myself. Thankfully tomorrow is back to work so that will improve my thinking faculties.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum
I have one problem with this though. It's very cool but you would get no kudoz for dying in this way because everyone else would be dead too.
@Konyp: nah, one just can't be concerned about something that kills them instantly without them having a tiniest chance of seeing it coming. These things are an ultimate unconscious death. You'd feel more if someone dropped a 16ton block on you or attached a pack of dynamite to your head and detonated it. Unless soul does exist, we move to another dimension and it's hard to say "definitely" not if you had a psychodelic experience of something of the likes of it. That having nothing to do with religious beliefes off course, which BTW are founded on such experiences. I wish people like Duncan Trussel or Lawrence Krauss got into Mountain Biking and created Pinkbike accounts...
@WAKIdesigns: Thank gods you stand in for both of them. I would only argue about the out of body experiences, which are rather caused by insufficient oxygen supply to the brain and also not necessarily are the main foundation of religions.
Also, MX stinks (literally).
I wonder if Sam is still reading this.
Just making love or ride the bike also.
See nothing wrong with Sam making the move if it's true. A man's got to put food on the table! It's his job, so if a better offer comes along for this point in his career, he'd be mad not to take it.
I'm impressed he has the strength and skill to ride a heavy bike the way he does. But if he can make it work, kudos to him!
...maybe.
I guess it makes sense the other way too
It's a low budget version of what Specialized did with the Coastal Crew and making your favorite supercross bros do social media posts of them on a Levo.
Our collective hate is the only thing keeping mountain biking alive right now. Once Santa Cruz comes out with their eBike and all the pathetic followers out there decided it's cool, it's a wrap.
And when the companies have cashed the checks form this short lived boom, the losers who think eBikes are cool will be moved on to riding a Nordic Track and yelling at their kids at lacrosse practice.
Mountain bikers are the worst and we deserve all the bad things that are coming our way.
For what it's worth I've spent more on parts for my dirtbikes this year than you made. I wish you nothing but success in your venture selling Chinese made eBikes on eBay. May you move out of your parents garage yet.
THIS - ALL DAY THIS. Keep trying to look "cool" e-haters. I'm sure you all check that your jeans sag at exactly the right height before you leave the house too.
#dealwithit.
If they were looking to pay someone to just have fun on an eBike there are plenty of people that would do it for way less than they are paying you.
Talk about fun all you want, but we all know the story about it. Good on you for taking the plunge and being the first "star" to take the eBike money. Might as well get paid before the whole industry implodes
They only pay professionals, because they're so good, they do look cool.
Some people enjoy things others don't, like I enjoy running up hills, a lot of people don't. I've learnt to deal with that. I also enjoy old cars, most people don't.
People can & will choose, your gash flaps opinion won't change a thing, as they DON'T care if you think they're cool or not! As a matter of fact, anyone who doesn't care about being cool, is actually cool anyway!
Plus, it's a living? Would you rather earn £30,000 in a cool company or £70,000 in a normal one? I know what I'd do.
You go Sam! Fack em all!
Wow that was possibly the gayest plug for an e-bike yet.
Whatever makes you feel better for cashing that paycheck.
is priceless. Even if I have to hike a bike some of the sections, I would rather that than have an e-moped
Lurrrrrrve in the 60's sense of it....
Just wondering, I think I saw you enter the ferry in Amsterdam (towards Central Station) when I just rolled off after work. Must have been a couple of months ago now. It was rush hour so it was too busy to chat but I'm curious, did you do some riding and filming in Amsterdam? You (and the other rider next to you) had cameras on your helmets so I'm really looking forwards to a fun video of whatever you did there.
I'm with Sam, I'd give you a knuckle sandwich and a Glasgow kiss for being a bellend. (That's for you Waki)
"@weebleswobbles: and i'll stick my fist in your face #dealwithit"
You sound like an absolute moron making comments like this on a mountain biking website. Way to make Haibikes proud!
Context.
A moron comments without understanding the context and it’s timing.
But good on you Sam, whatever you do, so long as you enjoy it who cares, even better if you're making more money, as this is work for you & I'm not gonna judge you!
Me on the other hand... I will never purchase an ebike, dont approve of them on trails. If people are using them to commute, awesome. I unfollow any brand that posts about ebikes in the instagrams, and and consider them mopeds.
Will this stop them from being adverstised and sold, unfortunately, no.
Eventually I hope they (ebike riders) grow large enough to develop their own subcuclture, separate themselves from cyclists and bicycles, form their own trail advocacy groups, develop their own trail networks, and maybe, just maybe, start their own websites so we do not have to see these abomonations here on pinkbike.
I am sure there are many who disagree with me, and some that agree, its all good as long as you are riding!
Exactly, eventually they will implode with all the MTB industry, taken over by the motorcycle brands and be just the poor parent of MX, "for those who cant but sure dream about it". If you put a motor in it, you destroy the core, if you destroy the core, there's no more sport, at least this one.
It's sad.
And every time someone says it's cool and I should try it first, I always remember all the sad examples of friends who said the same thing about a lot of stuff, legal, ilegal, good, bad, anyways, a terrible way to argue. "you should totally do it dud" yeah sure.
And I do the exact thing, unfollow, unlike. They don't deserve my attention.
And worse of all It kills the spirit of the sport, it kills the simple basic notion that got us here, human power, train, endurance, and reward. Now? Want more fun? BIG ENGINE, MORE WATTS, EXTRA BATTERY, man, just buy a ffs MX bike! Stop motorizing all the sports! The message that is sent to the new generations is shameful to say the least.
And please spare me the lift thing, 98% (or more) of people who ride bikes never haver been near a lift. It's disgusting and it makes me really sad on what this great sport turned out.
Not sure we can say these bikes do "no more damage" just yet.
Cheers.
I'll never be accused of asking a badass to be more sensitive. And Sam is definitely a bad ass regardless of the bike.
Trouble is now that all these middle aged, slightly rotund, BMW driving, fanny pack wearing Dentists are buying eBikes where are we going to find cheap 2nd hand spotless dream bikes they have barely been ridden???
Over hear the trails get more abuse when mtb clubs do a 20/30 people group Ride then an old codger on an ebike ! Make me smile (for a sec) when they go past me with there feet up reading a map while my lungs are trying to escape !
If he had signed for YT, SC, Yeti or some other "cool company he'd be a cool dude but god forbid he wants to do something else than ride same stuff for 50 years.
It's not like he owns any of you anything or that he should do what you want.
Maybe all of you who whine and complain should send Sam money every month and he'll ride what you want?
If it aint relevant to me I just don't look at it
Its a falsity that eMTB produce any more damage to trails than regular MTB. Yes - some will not approve of an eMTB concept in fear of loosing trail access - but more and more actual testing is being done at provincial levels in Canada and access for eMTB will be growing as a result. Canada is NOT the US (where trail access is WAYYYYYYY more litigious) in this regard. Oh Canada!!! Anyways - didn't want to get into this topic but saw your post and wanted to reply with some info that I have been hearing from the west.
Anyways - I'm out. Oh and I've been one of those "dedicated builders" that you speak of so save your breath there.
There are only 3 meaningful ways that a bike causes damage to the trail:
1. Changing direction - The amount of erosion will be determined by how fast you change direction and how much momentum the bike & rider have. Momentum is determined by speed and weight and an e-bike is heavier and goes faster on average.
2. Braking - Again determined by how fast you brake the amount of momentum for the bike & rider.
3. Accelerating - Determined by the amount of power being applied to the rear wheel and the combined weight of the bike & rider being accelerated. With e-bikes having between 250W and 750W extra power and weighing more than a standard bike they will be worse.
As you can see an e-bike will cause more erosion to the trail in all 3 scenarios (according to the laws of physics not some half baked anecdote).
Obviously the longer you ride the more of each of those 3 things you will be doing. So if we are to believe the words of Sam Pilgrim on the subject saying he will be doing 'triple the laps' he will be doing well in excess of 3 times the trail damage he would have done on a normal bike. Even if we discard that probably optimistic estimate it's obvious to anyone that understands basic physics that an e-bike will do measurably more damage to trails than a normal mtb.
1. The "speed and weight / e-bikes are heavier and go faster" point you raise. What if a 200 lbs rider is on a non assist bike (say about 30 lbs of bike weight) and is fearless so he is a super fast downhiller? Compare that to a guy on an e-bike who weighs only 150lbs and is a bit of a timid rider on the DH sections so is slower? Who does more damage? While I respect all your points, there just seems to be too many variables for your points to register with me. Heavy guy vs light guy, aggressive rider vs a more timid rider etc....
I disagree 100% that an e-bike goes faster on average. The ONLY part that an e-bike (class 1 pedalec) is faster is climbing. Granted. But on the flats and the DH sections, I am faster on my old trail bike than on my new e-bike (I ride both). Unlike the e-naysayers on this site, I actually ride both kinds of bikes and have enough years into this hobby to understand the differences. Please dont ask me how many years because I will feel very old and very bad about myself very quickly.....
I also think that the naysayers are assuming the worst. E-bikers doing 3 times the laps, riding heavy bikes on trails in the rain, knocking over old ladies out hiking, skidding out of berms while kicking a puppy etc....its simply not the case in MY EXPERIENCE. The guys and gals that I know of that are on e-bikes are all guys like me. Ridden or raced for a hundred years, know trail etiquette, mid aged, lucky enough to have some disposable income and encountering ailments that make it tougher the hang in the group. No one in this demographic I out to piss anybody off.
Listen - I get it.....the e-bike thing is not for everyone. But I value the research done by my local and provincial trail builders, supervisors and volunteers. I'll go with that. Your points were well written though and for sure point out that if you ride like a douche bag (no matter what bike you ride), trails are at risk.
The 200lb super fast downhiller would do EVEN more trail damage if you put him on an e-bike because you made him and his bike heavier and faster.
That's the whole point. There is variation between riders on how much trail damage they will cause but if you take any given rider and put them on an e-bike and maintain their existing riding style they WILL do more damage.
PS: Regarding your point about e-bikes not being faster on flats and downhill neither of us have statistical evidence to prove for our point of view but until e-bikes are declared legal in enduro racing I will believe the common consensus that e-bikes are indeed faster.
1. The grip from the low centre of gravity and the plus size tires was unreal. Places where I would spin out on climbs normally on a trail bike were cleaned easily without any rear wheel spin on the e-bike. The grip and traction coming out of corners was also like glue. Less spin outs = less trail damage any way you slice it.
2. My 250W Bosch equipped e-bike tops out at 25km/h and its heavier than my trail bike This means that I know for 100% certainty that I am slower on certain flats sections on my e-bike. I also noticed, due to the weight of the e-bike the DH sections are actually harder to ride aggressively. Its not easy to man handle the e-bike on the DH sections so PERSONALLY I am slower picking my way down.
3. I was faster on climbs (obviously) but as mentioned above, the amount of spinning out was zero. The bike climbs very smooth - and I leave it in the eco / trail mode. I'm not a "turbo" setting kind of guy.
Before I bought the E-Genius I made sure to contact my local trail network associations to make sure use of the bike was ok. I was told by the associations that pedal assist e-bikes were allowed on trails with no issue as "they cause no more damage to trails than any other MTB" - that was a quote right form the trail association. So yes - there will always be naysayers but at the end of the day, its just another form of pedalling in my mind now that facts are coming to light.
opt1. : Haibike is building a gravity based team
opt2. : He is moving to replace pilgs?
what do you think
So we will see whats going to happen
youtu.be/Rf3Il7-XpeU?t=7m13s
I only posted because I noticed the tags. If Pinkbike has a tag filter, that would be great if I knew how to use it, so the page would focus on what I do care about.
I just posted it in a way that if PinkBike didn't, it might sell the idea to add the feature. Which, judging from the comments, might help a few members out.
: a lightweight low-powered motorbike that can be pedaled
A pedelec (from pedal electric cycle) is a bicycle where the rider's pedalling is assisted by a small electric motor;
One thing tho - If Blake Samson can backflip a fat bike (and we know how much love they get here) then surely you can cork 7 an e-bike
Are we not going to discuss the blatant littering at the beginning of the video?!?
"When livestock and manure emissions are combined, the Agriculture sector is the primary source of CH4 emissions."
www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases
who didn't eat meat for ecological reasons. My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously
As for Sam riding for an ebike company: imagine if people came to your work place and knocked the sailers cocks out of your mouth, youd be p!ssed
Bold statement there
Didn’t cam zink ride for hyper? Was he a sellout?
Perhaps Sam just hit a point in his life where he felt a change was good for him.
Who he chooses to work with is his choice and I wish him well. Interested to see what comes next.
Let the man live. Don't like it? Ignore it!
Tom B. : Is that a haibike ???? I hope it was a joke .
Sam Pilgrim :No joke, deal with it .
see on his facebook page under the video
An so what it might not be a well known bike company I’m sure he knows what he wants tho..!!
“Peace out”
And btw im 52 in 2 weeks time,with f*cked knees,back,wrists and ankles so im looking forward to the day i buy an ebike
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlyx2S2MBBU
True.
This is a great chance for sponsored riders to help, I hope great riders use their voice and sponsorship to help.
E-bikes company's are about to dump big $ into riders and advertising and land use.
E-bikes are a blast to ride, but we need laws in place for anything with a motor.
You could try to convince them to make lighter bikes with less pedal-assist instead of making them more powerful and bigger.
I hope you can bring sth. positive to E-Biking and respect nature.
Good luck!
P.S.: We talked in nuremberg (interview in the riders lounge before the 2nd Qualifying) at district ride, cool to see you on a german brand now, because hopefully you will visit some of our festivals (dirtmasters Winterberg and BIKE festival Willingen are weekend after weekend in may and we have a lots of spots in this area for filming, I live here)!
See you, cheers, Marc
Anyways, good on you, I'm looking forward to seeing some e-bike shredits.
Ignore the 'netards'
honest I just couldn't afford one ????.
I can appreciate it's an odd call for a slope style rider however I'm sure he can run a re branded dirt Jump frame when he needs too, if he was to compete on an evoke I think the added mass would be to his detriment allond with control able issues. That said I remember when a huge majority of the downhill teams were sponsored by random. Brand's running stickered up intense bikes.
I'm gonna look forward to what @sampilgrim will do with an ebike
#yourTRIGGERED