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Review: Commencal's Meta Power SX Signature Packs a Punch for the Price

May 7, 2024 at 14:36
by Mike Kazimer  
Although we're starting to see the lines between categories blur, at the moment there are essentially two distinct eMTB types. On one side there are the lighter weight options, typically with a smaller battery and reduced power output in order to provide a more traditional ride experience. The other side of the spectrum is where bikes like the Commencal Meta Power SX reside, with a powerful motor, larger battery, and a descent-focused build.

The Meta Power SX is the longest travel option in Commencal's eMTB lineup, with 165mm of rear travel and a 170mm fork. As the full model name suggests, the version reviewed here uses Bosch's Performance CX motor with a 625 Wh battery, an option that was added in last summer, supplanting the Shimano motor that was previously used on all models.

Commencal Meta Power SX Bosch Signature Details

• Wheel size: 29" front / 27.5" rear
• Aluminum frame
• Travel: 165mm / 170mm fork
• 63.6º or 64º head angle
• 77.6º or 78º seat tube angle
• 450mm chainstays (size L)
• Weight: 55.5 lb / 25.2 kg (size L)
• Price: $8,000 USD
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It's a Commencal, so the frame is an all-aluminum affair, other than the removable plastic battery and motor covers. There are four models in the lineup, with prices ranging from $5,500 USD up to $8,000 for the Signature model reviewed here. Component highlights include a Fox 38 Factory fork, Float X shock, and DT Swiss's HX 1700 Spline wheels. Stopping is handled by Shimano's 4-piston brakes, and there's a mechanical, 12-speed XT drivetrain.






bigquotesThe Meta Power SX is undoubtedly a big, full power eMTB, but its on-trail feel puts it more in the realm of an enduro bike rather than a mini-DH bike. Mike Kazimer



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Frame Details

Commencal's enduro and DH bikes have been undergoing a transformation lately, whether that's in the form of a new dual link suspension layout, or the extensive experimentation that's been taking place on the World Cup circuit. For now, though, the Meta Power frame follows a simpler path – it uses a link-driven single pivot suspension layout, where a rocker link connects the seat stays to the seat tube and to a yoke that drives the 230 x 65mm shock.

There's room for a water bottle inside the front triangle, or a 250 Wh range extending battery can be purchased to bump up the Meta's range. The main 625 Wh battery sits behind a plastic downtube cover, and it can be removed by using a key to unlock it from its perch.

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Bosch's Performance CX motor puts out up to 85 Nm of torque, and has a handlebar-mounted wireless remote to toggle through the four motor modes. Those modes can be fine-tuned to provide more or less assistance in Bosch's Flow app, and it's even possible to swap out one mode for a different one depending on a rider's preferences.

One modern frame feature that's missing is a universal derailleur hanger; that means the bike isn't compatible with SRAM's wireless electronic Transmission drivetrain. Cable-actuated drivetrains still work great, but I'd be willing to bet that the next iteration of this bike will have a UDH.


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Geometry

The Meta Power SX's geometry is fairly standard when it comes to what you'd expect to see with a modern enduro bike, motor or not. The head angle sits at 63.6-degrees in the low geometry setting, which gives the bike moderately long 450mm chainstays, a 481mm reach on a size large, and a 77.6-degree seat angle.

Prior versions of the Meta Power had long seat tube lengths that limited just how long of a dropper could be run, but that's been rectified for this iteration – I was able to run a 200mm post on a size large without any frame interference.

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Suspension Design

The Meta Power's suspension layout gives it an anti-squat value of just above 100% at sag, a number that then drops off as the bike goes through its travel. The Meta Power SX is compatible with both air or coil shock thanks to a progressive leverage curve of 18%, although that figure will favor air shocks and their inherent end stoke ramp up - coils shocks will work, but more aggressive riders may need to bump up a spring rate to avoid bottoming out too easily.

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Specifications
Price $8000
Travel 165mm
Rear Shock Fox Float X Factory, 230 x 65mm
Fork Fox 38 Factory E-Bike, 170 mm travel
Headset Acros ZS56 / ZS66
Cassette Shimano Deore XT, 10-51
Crankarms E13 E*Spec Plus BOSCH CX, 160 mm crank arms
Chainguide Ride Alpha upper guide
Pedals BOSCH Performance Line CX / 625 Wh battery
Rear Derailleur Shimano Deore XT
Chain Shimano Deore XT
Shifter Pods Shimano Deore XT
Handlebar Ride Alpha R 27
Stem Ride Alpha 40mm, 31.8mm diameter
Grips ODI Elite Motion
Brakes Shimano XT
Wheelset DT Swiss HX1700 Spline
Tires Schwalbe Magic Mary / Big Betty
Seat Fizik Terra Aidon X3
Seatpost Fox Transfer Factory


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Test Bike Setup

My test bike arrived with two spec changes that I would have likely done anyways - the bike had a 200mm dropper post installed, along with Schwalbe Super Gravity casing tires. That's something a potential buyer could do by visiting Commencal's a la carte online ordering menu; it's possible to pick from multiple options for things like brakes, suspension, tires, and droppers.

I ran 175 psi in the Float X shock, which put me at 28% sag, and ran 93 psi in the Fox 38 with three volume spacers installed. Both the fork and shock are very familiar to me, so it didn't take much tinkering to get things to a happy starting place.

2022 Trail Bike Field Test photo by Satchel Cronk.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer



Testing Info

Testing took place in Bellingham, Washington over the course of a rainy winter, with a couple of snowy interludes in the mix. My rides ranged from steep fire road grinds to even steeper descents, to more meandering routes that had a mix of tricky technical climbing and descending. The Trailforks loop shown here would be a good initial shakedown ride, consisting of a smooth climb with a fun long descent that never gets too wild, a level of difficulty that makes it easier to focus on setup rather than worrying about survival.


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Climbing

The Meta SX has very good climbing geometry – the overall position is quite upright thanks to the high stack and steep seat tube angle, and the chainstays are long enough to create a nicely centered position, at least on the size large. That 450mm length is a good number for a bike like this – short chainstays and a strong motor can be a recipe for wheel spins and looping out; in this case the extra millimeters help keep everything going in the right direction without making the bike wildly long.

Bosch's CX motor is my current favorite full-power option, partly because of the way it delivers that power while climbing. It doesn't require a ridiculously high cadence to get the most out of it, which helps on those technical, slow speed climbs where it's not always possible to churn the pedals wildly to get to the top.

Tour+ mode is the setting I spent the most time in, in order to maximize the bike's range without resorting to Eco mode (yuck). For me, Eco mode is for emergencies only – I don't really see the point of going relatively slow without much motor support; I'd rather ditch the motor and battery all together at that point.

Tour+ automatically adapts the motor output, reducing the assistance on flatter terrain and lighter pedal efforts, and ramping it up when things get steep and you're pushing hard on the pedals. That helps extend the battery range significantly versus just going into Turbo mode and zooming around at full speed everywhere. The 625 Wh battery was just enough for the rides that I typically took the Meta Power on, but I could see springing for the range extender in order to get even more miles in.


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Descending

The Meta Power SX no longer shares the same suspension design as its non-motorized sibling, but the geometry numbers are close to identical. There seems to be a sweet spot emerging when it comes to modern enduro bike geometry, no matter if there's a motor involved or not, at least for me. I've been very impressed with the handling of multiple bikes that all have a head angle around 64-degrees, chainstays between 440 – 450mm, and a fairly tall stack height. Those numbers create a bike with plenty of stability, and the taller front end is especially helpful in the steeps. That doesn't mean bikes that deviate from those numbers are unrideable – far from it – it's just that at the moment I've been feeling most at home on enduro-ish bikes with those geometry figures.

The Meta Power SX's bottom bracket height isn't particularly low, and there's not much drop from the rear axle to the bottom bracket. That does help keep the pedals from smacking the ground when you're spinning up chunky climbs, or sneaking in a pedal stroke before a jump, but it also means the bike doesn't have the same totally locked in, do-no-wrong cornering performance that's possible with a lower BB and tall front end. That said, the motor and battery weight do help to counteract the higher bottom bracket to some extent.

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The Meta Power SX is undoubtedly a big, full power eMTB, but its on-trail feel puts it more in the realm of an enduro bike rather than a mini-DH bike. For context, its suspension isn't as plush and impact-erasing as a bike like the new Norco Range VLT, or the short-lived Nukeproof Megawatt; both of those bikes cater towards a point-and-plow riding style. With the Meta, it can certainly handle those extra-rough trails, but the impacts aren't as muted, and you'll feel more coming through the pedals and handlebar. Ohlins does offer a model of the Meta Power with an Ohlins coil shock; going that route, or possibly swapping the Float X out for a Float X2 or RockShox Vivid would likely create a smoother ride.

The Meta Power does feel more alive at slower speeds and on smoother, flowier trails compared to some of those longer travel, plusher options. It's more responsive to rider inputs, and I didn't ever feel like I was getting dragged along for the ride. It jumps well too, as long as you're not trying to bunnyhop from a standstill.


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Commencal Meta Power
Devinci E-Troy Bosch GX LTD. Photos by Tom Richards.
Devinci E-Troy

How Does It Compare?

The Devinci E-Troy falls into a similar category as the Meta Power – it has an aluminum frame, a Bosch motor, and it's designed for rowdier trails. It does have slightly less travel (150mm vs the Meta's 165mm), but both bikes use a 170mm fork.

As far as geometry goes, these two bikes have similar reach values, but the E-Troy has a slacker head angle, and slightly shorter chainstays than the Meta Power. Even with the slacker head angle, the E-Troy still has a shorter wheelbase – the overall length is around 20mm longer. One figure to keep in mind on the Devinci is the seat tube length – it's on the longer side, and may limit just how long of a post can be run.

When it comes to price, the E-Troy LTD's $7,400 price tag isn't out of line, especially considering that the E-Troy's frame is made in Canada. Still, Commencal's direct-to-consumer model gives them a definite edge in the price department, especially when you look at the models that are currently on sale.


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Which Model is the Best Value?

Out of the four Meta Power SX models, it's the Essential model that gets my vote as the best value. It has the same Bosch motor and 625 Wh battery as all the other bikes in the lineup, with a no-nonsense parts spec that includes a Shimano SLX drivetrain and brakes, Fox 38 Performance fork and Float X performance shock, and a DT Swiss H1900 wheelset. Even the Maxxis tires are well chosen – a MaxxGrip EXO+ Assegai paired with a DoubleDown casing, MaxxTerra compound DHR II.

The Essential normally retails for $6,500, which is a good value, but things get even better when you knock off 17% and price it at the current sale price of $5,400. Yes, that's still a lot of money, but for a capable eMTB that doesn't need any immediate upgrades it's a very good deal.

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The battery cover could use some refinement.
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Shimano XT drivetrain and comfy ODI lock-on grips.

Technical Report

Battery cover: After a handful of rides, and without being removed, the rubber battery cover stopped fitting flush with the frame. That could pose an issue for riders in wet climates, although I managed to avoid drowning the motor / battery even though conditions during testing were wet and muddy more often than not. Personally, I'd rather a bike have a battery that's a little hard to remove versus an easily accessible one with a flimsy cover.

DT Swiss HX1700 wheels: If you were looking closely, you may have noticed that the front and rear wheels no longer match. That's the result of a tester coming up short on a gap, squarely casing a log and turning the previously round DT Swiss aluminum rim into a square. It was purely rider error, and it was the type of impact where something had to give.

Shimano XT brakes: I've complained a lot about Shimano's XT brakes in the past, for good reason, but this pair was flawless – plenty of power, no frustrating changing lever feel, just good, consistent performance.

Acceleration Error 5110011: The Bosch Performance CX motor system currently has an annoying issue – if you hit a big enough jump, or even several medium-sized jumps with hard landings in a row – the mode indicator light will turn orange, and the button on the top tube needs to be pushed to clear the error. Bosch says a firmware update is coming in July that will fix this, but in the meantime it's an unnecessary inconvenience. It does take a specific set of circumstances to create the error light, so it luckily didn't happen on every single ride, but it did happen often enough that it's worth mentioning. It's also not an issue specific to the Meta Power - it's related to the motor, not the frame, and I've had it happen on other Bosch-equipped bikes recently.



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Pros

+ Good value, even better if you go further down the model lineup
+ Responsive and relatively easy to manage, even at slower speeds
+ Plenty of accessible power, and multiple tunable motor modes

Cons

- Battery cover doesn't fit cleanly on frame
- No universal derailleur hanger
- Not the plushest option out there, at least in this configuration



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Commencal Meta Power SX doesn't have a carbon frame, a complicated suspension design, or even a universal derailleur hanger. Lucicky, those items aren't requirements for having a good time out on the trails, and when it comes to all-around performance the Meta Power delivers, especially when you factor in the price. It's like the eMTB equivalent of a basic pickup truck - it might not turn as many heads as Elon Musk's silver DustBuster on wheels, but it gets the job done at a fraction of the price.  Mike Kazimer







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210 Comments
  • 56 7
 I am 45 now and I have been lucky enough to have owned both type of bikes for more than 4 years now. I am now at a point in my life where i need to sell one and its a easy choice for me, ebike goes.
There have been times where I like riding the ebike, mostly when i ride with other people who are fitter than me or when i am just unfit and lazy.
But, to be brutally honest though, 95% of the time i ride by myself and i can set the pace. This is where I always go back to the normal bike. Although it is allot harder work and i get to ride less trails, I do feel better after the ride and also a connection with my bike, Weird I know.
  • 10 8
 Same, Had an ebike in addition to mountainbikes for 6 years but it gets the least use and would be the first to go.

They are fun, but an unnecessary luxury.
(Unless you’re disabled or injured, or course)
  • 6 2
 67 love riding. The way I look at it is “The less time I spend descending, the longer I will be riding!”
Choose your own adventure
  • 6 0
 I feel exactly the same at 49, although I will keep one emtb in the carage. Emtb is nice during winters when you need to use heavy studded tires and snow/ice/cold slows the bike down. It is also simpler to gear up for emtb rides in the cold as it is easier to avoid occasional overheating and sweat (problem in freezing temps). During summers it is mainly mtb and gravel for me, with occasional recovery rides using emtb. Emtb is also good tool for commuting, often replacing my car.
  • 3 1
 I'm 35 and a fairly aggressive rider who has done some amateur racing. I'll say that I agree with you that the ebike is great for riding with friends and exploring new areas, but I always find myself wishing I was on my enduro bike during the descents.
  • 2 1
 The EEB is great apart from when the battery goes flat, nearly flat, you want to do another loop and dont have enough battery.
BUT... the EEB is faster up a hill for sure but also its mostly faster down a hill than the Amish too. I dont like jumping the EEB but I do really enjoy lapping the EEB when time is short or I just want to destroy myself with lap volume.

I am older too, 49. The Dh bike is still the most ridden bike in the shed, then its a mix between the XC bike, Enduro bike, EEB and some Jump/4x laps.
If I had to chose 1 bike to keep it would be the enduro bike as its the most versatile, luckily for now I dont have to decide, maybe I will one day and will struggle to part with any of them.
  • 4 0
 If I had to choose one, I too would choose my Smuggler over my Relay. I'd also skip the best trails during our 105' 4-month long Texas summers.
The Relay just turns our steepest trails from 80% climbing/ 20% descending to a bit closer to 50/ 50. That's a good thing.
  • 1 0
 @DirkZA genuinely curious, would make the same decision if you were surrounded by 1000m climbs at your doorstep (or maybe you are)?
That's my case, and currently recovering from a knee injury. Looking at ebikes for the first time, hoping one would allow me back on those 1000-2000m rides rather in 2 than 5 months...
  • 1 0
 @Uuno: Hey, unfortunately I don't live in an area with that amount of climbing. It would be a harder decision for sure but ultimately, the decision stays the same as I need to sell one. Trust me, there will be days that I will miss it.
  • 60 44
 Depending on where you live, sales for non e-bikes are dead or dying. The only category of bikes people are coming into the shop asking about is electric. I hate to be the bearer of bad news.
  • 69 9
 The younger gen shredders 20s & 30s in my zone (y’all still babies, sorry LOL) have all gone full E. The 50s+ crew was mostly there already. Seems like the 40s guys are the holdouts. Big respect for the hustle but more laps are more laps.
  • 105 31
 This is only surprising to the weird, holdout, anti-ebike crowd. They are a vocal bunch at times though, lol. Bikes are awesome. Bikes with motors are awesome. Having fun on any kind of bike is awesome. Being a judgmental dick...not so much.
  • 29 1
 In Germany, in 2023, nine times more eMTBs were sold than regular MTBs. Numbers / stats by the German bicycle association / ZIV.
  • 81 4
 @SmashiusJones: "the weird, holdout, anti-ebike crowd" "Being a judgmental dick...not so much."
  • 9 24
flag SmashiusJones FL (May 13, 2024 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)
 @Blablablup123: That's the joke.
  • 53 2
 There are still tons of great non e-bikes out there, and if I could only have one bike it wouldn't have a motor. Still, I get why people are interested in ebikes, and it makes sense those are the conversations happening in bike shops. I'll be curious how many people actually stop riding their regular bikes altogether after getting an ebike. I may be an outlier, but I need at least a few battery-free bike rides in my life every week.
  • 39 1
 @SmashiusJones: as long as we can all bully Surrons off the trails let's all be happy
  • 22 3
 @chumba17: I don't think anyone truly thinks Surrons and e-mtbs are the same thing. Because, well, they aren't.
  • 11 2
 @SmashiusJones: yes, and we should unite against them
  • 5 1
 @mikekazimer: I think we'll see some ebikers having both. I doubt they will be slow rolling 36# plus Enduro bikes though. I could see myself getting a Downcountry or gravel bike.
  • 66 2
 @Blownoutrides: 40s holdout. Can confirm. Probably a combo of being just fit enough not to need one to have fun and the ipodification of every single thing I grew up with. Bikes are one of the few things left to me that don’t need charging and aren’t obsolete the second you take them home.
  • 28 35
flag awoody (May 13, 2024 at 9:48) (Below Threshold)
 Bikes with motors are awesome, and they belong on motorized trails.
  • 42 29
 @Blownoutrides: 49 going on 50 this year, Still a holdout. Mobility scooters for singletrack aren't on my list.
  • 10 2
 @mikekazimer: anecdotally, people who get rid of all normal bikes in favour of 1 eBike is pretty popular among the eBikers I ride with and others I chat to on the trails.
Seems to be common among eBikers to hold on to a normal bike for a while, let it gather dust, then give in and eBay it
  • 52 18
 For all the Ebike "holdouts" where do you guys fall on being ok with shuttling analog bikes in a F350 pickup getting 4 MPG climbing up dusty gravel road dusting all the guys out "earning turns" 10 times a day + noise and emissions? I'm all about analog and earning turns and virtuous traits, but taking an analog bike and turning it diesel powered seems a bit backwards to me....but maybe I am alone. I'd rather have Ebikers self shuttling than trucks ripping up and down a gravel road.....
  • 5 0
 @Blownoutrides: I’m just waiting for Festool or Milwaukee to start selling motors.
  • 19 4
 @RadBartTaylor: I think shuttling is totally different. The trucks drive on the road and I ride up the single track. When mtbs and eebs share an uphill singletrack there are big speed differences and lots of interactions.
  • 1 0
 I should add there are no car/bike shared dirt roads in Santa Cruz… I agree that’s annoying
  • 7 0
 @mikekazimer: this is me. I’ve had an ebike for the past 5 years and never got ride of my mtb. I ride them about 50/50, depending on trial, ride time, and weather. I love them both.
  • 10 14
flag Dogl0rd FL (May 13, 2024 at 11:01) (Below Threshold)
 @RadBartTaylor: takes less energy to shuttle in an already existing vehicle than it does to produce a new Ebike or Ebikes battery
  • 2 0
 @davesc: so you are ok with them on the downhills just not the uphills?
  • 22 11
 @RadBartTaylor: 42 year old bike rider here. No interest in e-bikes because I have pride in my fitness and my image of fitness, I don’t like the extra complexity and durability issues that batteries and motors add, and I frequently do long rides and bikepacking routes that an eBike doesn’t have enough juice.

Having said that, using an e-bike is far better than shuttling bikes in the back of trucks. You’re absolutely right. If I only had one or the other option, I would absolutely get an ebike. Until then, I’ll keep pedaling from my front door.
  • 3 1
 @RadBartTaylor: yeah, we’re all going the same speed on the downhills, shuttle, e-bike, or pedal bike.

The uphill singletrack passing is a pain for e-bikes and mtbs alike
  • 3 2
 @Dogl0rd: it's sort of a fair point but you don't have any data to backup that point. Riding a 10 year old MTB takes less energy than a new carbon bike too....look where we are.
  • 2 0
 @rickybobby19: I can respect that, I'm with you to a large extent, I raced XC for years and trained my butt off. Age wise I'm a couple years older, still "fit" (relatively speaking), I have an Ebike and it's great, but honestly, doesn't get used that often as much fun as I have on it.....
  • 3 0
 @davesc: fair take - not sure if most folks agree but I can see the reasonableness there. Let ebikers rip the downs and take a wide climbing trail or the gravel road up, replace trucks with bikes, that was kind of my argument.
  • 5 7
 @Blownoutrides: Yeah I'm (40's guy) waiting for ebikes to start coming with air conditioning. I feel a bit silly plopping down that kind of money on a motorized vehicle with no A/C.
  • 9 0
 @RadBartTaylor: yeah e bikes are great replacements for shuttling and if they get more people riding from their home rather than driving to the trailhead that’s also a good thing.
  • 6 2
 @RadBartTaylor: I dont care either way. I dont want to spend $10k on another bike and I enjoy the pedaling.
  • 9 3
 @mtmc99: I enjoy pedaling too - you can turn it on Eco, Eco on Ebike is pretty close to a std. bike, speed, fitness requirements, HR. I've actually thought about "training" on an ebike, I can still hit my wattages, HR zones and intervals, just go a bit faster / farther and can get in more skill work on the descents.
  • 1 0
 @Blownoutrides: that’s exactly what I’m seeing in my area.
  • 19 3
 @RadBartTaylor: So true about shuttling. I've always frowned upon shuttling anything except DH bikes on DH tracks. Was an elitist pedal snob for many years, hating on my kook friends shuttling their 30lb trail bikes in areas full of quality climbing trails... my priority always has been saddle time. Time spent on my bike on trails having fun.

I'm still a snob and hate on shuttling, and I ride an ebike now. Shuttle days get you the absolute least saddle time, by a massive margin. Hours of truck time for minutes of riding time. Ebikes let me get the exact same saddle time as a normal bike, but I can cover more ground and connect loops that involve steep grades or boring roads that I normally wouldn't bother with on a normal bike. It's simply MORE of what I love about riding bikes.

I'm not here for the environmental argument, IMO that's too complex and hard to debate and many folks just don't care. But there's no arguing saddle time.
  • 3 8
flag Jready FL (May 13, 2024 at 17:15) (Below Threshold)
 @venturavin: sound like a roadie in denial.
  • 9 14
flag 29er1 (May 13, 2024 at 17:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Blownoutrides: more laps on heavy bikes equals eroded mud pits where I live might as well open trails to motorcycles without pedals for more laps
  • 11 11
 @mikekazimer: my biggest problem with ebikes is trail damage heavy bikes with heavy riders riding 4 or more times they could ride a regular bike definitely is destroying trails in my area pinkbike never mentions this
  • 3 0
 @Jready: Interesting takeaway considering I specifically said that the only time I shuttle is with a DH bike.
  • 3 0
 Harriet Beecher Stowe
"Human nature is above all things lazy"
  • 6 15
flag in2falling (May 13, 2024 at 21:02) (Below Threshold)
 Motorcycles with pretend pedals (foot actuated throttles) = pretend biking
  • 4 2
 @in2falling: what about analog bikes with pickups shuttling
  • 3 3
 Quick look at the sales floor and the trails says you're full of s88t. Just trying to drum up validation for your own choices. People that ride ebikes are just riders. But the ones that spend their time crying about the haters are just desperate for attention. I have an ebike and a MTB, but I don't go around pretending that either one is special. If you desperately need more friends, try starting a facebook group.
  • 7 2
 I'm 44 and far from mega-fit, but my favourite rides are 50-60km with >1500m of elevation with lots of singletrack. I equally enjoy flow and natural trails. I'm definitely not the fastest guy up or down, but I like challenging myself in both directions. I'm happy that I can complete long days on the bike under my own power. I love returning home excausted and looking at a nice big loop on the map. I don't care for more laps or bike parks. I shuttle 2-3 times a year at most and try to go to a couple of enduro races. I used to be a ht-only rider up until recently and as such I tend to prefer simplicity. E-bikes are not for me. If I wanted to go further or faster I'd get a light, fancy "downcountry" bike instead of the slightly overweight mid-travel workhorse that I curently own. And yes, for how much that would cost I could probably get a decent e-bike instead but I don't care for one. I'm not a "hold-out", I just know what I like.
  • 1 1
 Yea especially in Europe.
  • 2 0
 @justwan-naride: Ebike, IME, doesn't take away from the challenge....you can still pedal as hard or as soft as you want...you just get that couple hundred Watt boost which makes it great when doing laps since you can get more in....but your point of knowing yourself and the complexity they bring, it's true, it's something more to think about and on camping trips where you wanna ride 2 days in a row and are off grid - denied.
  • 7 1
 @29er1: Because it's a non-issue. As a regular trail builder I have zero issues with e-bikes. Surrons and horses are a different story though.
  • 2 0
 @jhtopilko: Turning 64 this year and feel the same way you do. Will likely need an electric bike eventually, but hopefully not for a long time.
  • 2 1
 @Dustfarter: mate if you think it’s a non issue you really need to come see the state of some of the hiking trails e-bikes have damaged. They don’t really make much difference riding down actual mountain bike trails especially on the descents but it’s all the multi use trails they use to access that takes the brunt of the damage especially soft flat boggy ground or steep climbs where the back wheel is spinning the whole way up. Generally most mountain bikers don’t care about the erosion, they’re ether e bikers as well or intend on being at some point in the future. It’s all the other trail users who are pissed off by it.
  • 1 0
 @chumba17: Those are a whole different category in that they're actual motorcycles.
  • 1 0
 In my area (San Diego) road bikes and gravel bikes are still very popular. E-bikes for commuting purposes definitely outnumber analog bikes. As far as mountain bikes, eMTBs are pretty much the standard now. Most high school kids (as far as two wheeled transport) ride class 2 mini bike style bikes (RADs, Super 73. etc). I remember my wife asking a kid if he would ever consider riding a traditional non electric bike, lets just say that kid gave a blank look of indifference. If these kids are any indication in the future of bikes, non electric bikes will be a very very small niche.
It's always interesting to read some of the anti ebike comments on PB. They go on and on about how the sport us ruined, and maybe it is in the way they'd like things to be. In the end, people will ride whatever they choose.
  • 2 2
 @thenotoriousmic: not sure what Emtbs you are talking about but Class 1 Emtb's don't spin tires like that.
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 @thenotoriousmic: The back wheel on a class 1 eMTB does not do that.
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 @RadBartTaylor: any bike will spin the back wheel when there’s not enough traction. You could cause just as much erosion on a regular mountain bike with the same tyres if you’re fit enough just nobody is. That’s what’s kept the trails in working condition for decades if something was steep and loose or flat and boggy you wouldn’t be fit enough to ride it over and over but with a motor anyone can and they do which is why all the hiking trails are all rutted and trenched out and it’s obviously been done by mountain bike tyres. Ironically most mountain bike trails aren’t really affected by e-bikes. Luckily all the trails at my local are too steep for e-bikes to go up so they’ve built themselves a little pedal up track around the back and it’s a right state. It’s the only trail in the area with any real erosion and it’s just from e-bikes shuttling their way up when the grounds wet. All the trails that go downhill are in mint condition.
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 @thenotoriousmic: heavy ebikes are definitely destroying trails in my area people are doing many laps instead of riding a trail once I ride with a friend that is at least 270 pounds he throws roost on me going up trails on his ebike at about 15 mph while on a regular bike he would be going about 4 mph or walking trails have gone from little more than a tire width to 2 to 4 feet since most people are riding ebikes
  • 1 0
 @29er1: has he considered losing weight
  • 1 0
 @chumba17: he gave up his regular bike and keeps gaining weight riding a ebike even though he rides faster and farther
  • 2 1
 @venturavin: im in your camp. I have limited time and shuttling is the ultimate time suck. I often don't have much more than a couple of hours so shuttling is basically a nonstarter. When I have hours to kill, I want as much riding time as possible. Im not against shuttling in anyway, I just don't want to spend most of the ride in a truck.
  • 1 1
 @jesse-effing-edwards: Thank youuuu. I've made this comment several times other places and no one else even seems to acknowledge this major detail.
  • 23 8
 Is the back end as wobbly as my wife’s bum cakes?
  • 4 0
 I don't know why I upvoted Smile it just felt right though
  • 9 0
 Provide a link sir.
  • 19 1
 lew buchanans clickbait is ruining the internet.
  • 1 0
 Wobbly as Drizzy's BBL.
  • 3 0
 Nope. I have this bike and after watching Lew's videos I checked, there's not a bit of wiggle like his noodle bike
  • 1 0
 @bikingonbikes: I had a Moustache with the same issue and it felt like my spring rate was for a child when I was pumping off berms. Would defo avoid.
  • 1 0
 @bones89: on his Instagram post I could swear the brace had cracked on one side, would definitely explain that amount of flex
  • 6 0
 @jimmythehat: lets not let facts get in the way of how SHOCKING!!!! This is
  • 1 1
 He’d be better of saying it cracked, but not sure that’s good content as he cracks them all!
  • 11 2
 I genuinely don't give a fk what anyone rides in the slightest. Good luck to you all. Hardtail, dually, emtb, all of it.

But the arguments they are better for the environment than a car used for shuttling bikes Smile please stop

Most of you have no idea how these things are made, where the materials come from and how they get them etc.

Just stick to whether you like to ride them or not. You don't need to use garbage arguments like that to justify having one.

Ps: anyone got the 2023 norco sight VLT. C1, any problems with it? I am considering buying one.
  • 1 0
 "most of you have no idea" doesn't mean people can't try to get an idea, and then make a buying decision partly according to that aspect.
Quite many scenarios point clearly towards the ecological benefit of ebike Vs shuttling, I don't know why you seem to have decided to discard this? Are you completely surrounded and fed up with clueless ego-justifying people?
  • 1 0
 @Uuno: yeah but they aren't are they. You can see it in their messages. "It's better for 4 of us to ride these manufactured e bike than one car with its deadly petrol doing 3-4 shuttle runs"

Before they all drive home in separate cars however far they are driving to the trail head. It's like if I drove with 4 of my mates in separate cars 50km each to a trail head, while living in the same area and then congratulating each other for using e bikes rather than driving a few miles in a car maybe 4 or 5 times, as a bike shuttle.

And i'd love to see these scientific studies, no doubt paid for by haibike or someone similar. Of course delivered at some seminar where they all flew in to attend.

Do you get it yet?
  • 4 0
 As a Metapower 29 owner I think this review is pretty spot on.

Great bike but fit and finish is a tad iffy ...tradeoff for the price I guess.
Quite playful for a heavy beast but definitely not as plush as many competitors. Feels like it has less travel than advertised.

Glad they sorted the seat post issue and ditched Shimano. The EP8 is the weak link on my bike.

625WH is not enough for a bike that's this heavy though. The 640 WH Shimano batt isn't either and I ended up purchasing a 2nd batt (becuase Shimano SUCKS and still doesn't have a range extender).

Finally. Use a Coil at your peril with this linkage. I was running a Super Delux Coil but snapped the shaft.
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 How heavy of a spring were you running on the coil?
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 @ashmtb85: It's been a minute but 500 if I recall.
  • 1 0
 Aren’t there decent e-bike specific, progressive coil shocks that would work?
  • 1 0
 @johnnyautry: i believe its the shock mount design that doesnt work well with coil (much like how Stumpjumpers)
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 @bones89: Exactly.
  • 1 0
 @johnnyautry: It's not so much the bike at its the design but the cane creek tigon attempts to deal with the shaft stress issue.
  • 11 4
 55lbs…ouch
  • 5 0
 Light for a Commencal. (source, I own a non-e Meta AM)
  • 2 0
 My supreme is 43
  • 5 0
 Somehow still lighter than my 59 pound Norco Range VLT. A nice benefit of that though is that it makes all of my pedal bikes feel virtually weightless.
  • 5 0
 56 for the Essential in L that I got. Luckily it is electric so you don’t notice the extra weight going up the hills and this bike has been so much fun smashing down!
  • 2 0
 @s100: my meta race stock came in at 54.2lbs in sz large
  • 8 6
 No hate on E-bikes, and good on Commencal for joining in on the fun. Personally, I don't want an E-Bike. I love Mountain biking for the freedom they provide in the back country. I like the sense of accomplishment of cleaning a really long tough climb, and the reward of the descent. I have no judgment of anyone that wants more reward than accomplishment, and I do mourn the loss of NON E bike sales. So much development and great advancements have gone into the modern MTB, as someone who started riding when MTB geo was terrible, brakes sucked and suspension was in its infancy, the new MTB is a marvel.
  • 8 3
 I'm 51 this year and still pedaling my Megatower with 35lbs, maybe switching to a Druid this year, but nothing motorized Wink
  • 2 0
 @jeremy3220: I will be 57 soon and love my v1 Druid
  • 5 3
 Unlike you guys, im not a boner. Ebikes are so much fun. Normal bikes are a bunch of fun some of the time too. If you want to have fun all the time, ride an ebe. If you like coughing up lung goblins and calling it cool, ride a normie. Or if you give all of the right fucks, ride both.
  • 4 1
 Acceleration Error 5110011: I was wondering why my light would turn orange after every freaking descent. What a goofy bug for an e-mountain bike.
  • 2 2
 If you left your phone away from the bike, it’s just and error code saying you don’t have your phone
  • 21 0
 Code 8008135 would be better.
  • 2 0
 @bigtim: 5318008 for when you stack
  • 6 3
 pretty stoked to be on a bike that doesn't (and in fact, cannot) throw me a friggin error code during a ride. sheesh. i got 99 problems but a motor ain't one
  • 8 5
 @rickybobby19: e-biking is great as it's really made me appreciate how much I love pedaling real bikes, and how much e-biking is a completely different sport than mountain biking.

It's an absolute blast for ripping my kids around on the shotgun seat, but I just feel like such a dork if I'm riding it alone. And it doesn't give me anywhere near the same dopamine hit as a good ole fashioned bike.
  • 3 0
 Not enough online noise or urgency from Bosch on this. I’ve been chasing this promised update for many months through my LBS. Plenty of promises but no action. This is big for aggressive ebikes. Take my 24 Orbea Wild down my favourite flow jump trails (happens with close repeated jumps and ‘excessive’ airtime so the only upside is that its like a badge of honour!) and after a few jumps any pedalling for extra speed is meat powered. Some Pinkbike heroes may be able to tickle the reset button mid jump but I’d only make a spectacular Friday Fail. Bosch…..Deliver!
  • 1 0
 @bobjumpd: last I heard is that they’re pushing an update at the start of July to resolve this issue. But that was a while back
  • 1 1
 @bobjumpd: I mean...if you can push a button twice it's all cleared and you're good to go. Let's not pretend like this is a huge issue.
  • 3 0
 @stravaismyracecourse: I agree that a reset is easy enough at the bottom - and gravity generally takes care of speed on an ebike going downhill. But……did I say this happens on jump lines with seconds or less between landing one jump and the next lip or berm. These are FLOW trails and stopping every 30 seconds to push buttons won’t work. OK I could use my button free Park bike but they make and sell ($$$) these types of ebikes to smash downhills - and it doesn’t happen with my Shimano ebike. There’s virtually nothing online about this error so big ups to Kazimer for putting it out there.
  • 1 0
 @bobjumpd: Does your motor stop working? My light just turns orange, but it still provides power output.
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 @stravaismyracecourse: Nah - my light glows full red and the motor cuts out. It gets me up to speed easily at the top of jump lines before it dies, then backsides and gravity do enough to keep most of that speed unless I make a bad jump or turn….then the ebike is def slower to pedal up to speed again and feels more cumbersome!
  • 2 0
 I've found battery covers for all motors to be quite fiddly and fragile, so I whipped up one of my own using Sugru Moldable Glue. I hold the little rubber-like plug in place with a beaded cable tie.
  • 1 0
 There's some weird things going on with these battery covers. I have a 2021 shimano EP8 29" meta power and while the stock cover fits with no issues and hasn't changed since, I bought a second battery and the cover would not fit, I'd have pain in my thumbs trying to get the cover to fit. I tried messing with the 4 small spacers that come with the cover, to no avail. Eventually, with time or maybe just moving it a bit before tightening the screw of the cover on the battery, it pretty much fits with not much hassle.
  • 1 0
 Owned this bike for a little over a month... highly recommend. The spec (on the lower models) is so much better for the price than Levos or Santa Cruz, you just dont get the LBS support. Luckily Commencal claims they will connect you with any Bosch service center should you need it. This bike rips though and can handle just about anything.
  • 2 0
 How do these big heavy ebikes handle for smaller people? For instance, a 50kg woman riding one of these would be the equivalent of me riding a 40kg bike. Doesn't sound appealing.
  • 4 3
 Commencal took full payment for a bike that was supposed to be in stock and shipped to me in 2 weeks.

I waited. Then the delay emails started coming. I ask for a refund. Commencal took my payment immediately mind you, for a bike they said they had in stock/on the way but didn't, but wanted me to wait a week + for a refund.

I will never deal with that company again. I had to do a visa charge back so they weren't sitting on my thousands of dollars... I don't know who think's that is an acceptable way to do business... Seems unethical to me.

Deposits need to be the norm in this space. Until that bike has a shipping label I don't want to pay more than $200.
  • 1 0
 Thats odd. I ordered this bike on a Monday afternoon, it shipped Tuesday morning and arrived in 5 days.
  • 1 1
 @bones89: This was a while ago. During Covid.

And I was fully aware of the shipping/manufacturing delays companies were facing that's why I waited until bikes were listed with a firm ship date, a couple weeks out, before placing my order. I was checking their site daily. I ordered a frame because the full bikes were delayed until the fall. The frames had a solid ship date, soon, I was excited.

Listing 2 weeks out as a ship date means that those frames were on the water, on their way to North America at least half way there, or should have been, in order to clear customs/ports and get on a truck to Commencal, and then meet the shipping dates to the customer.

What I got as a excuse? Manufacturing delays. Commencal told me the bike wasn't even made. Yet they had it listed as 2 weeks out? During Covid? This was clearly done to generate sales, and deceive the customer as far as I am concerned. Then to ask for me to let them sit on like 4grand? for what was appearing to me like an indefinite amount of time. Ya... no.

Companies, especially companies taking credit cards, need to be more understanding of interest payments when they are doing their processing. They took $4,000 off my credit card. I am left either paying thousands for something that hasn't shipped, and won't for however long, or paying 18% a month on thousands of dollars. That's not right. Especially when within minutes of them processing my order my credit card was charged the full amount of a frame+extras.

I had the money to pay it off right away, that wasn't the point. The point is what Commencal told me I'd have the bike by 2nd week in July, then delayed to late September, a month sooner than the full bikes were supposed to ship. I had already ordered all the parts for the frame. They were here as the bike was supposed to be 2 weeks out...

I was upset, I asked for my money back, they said "you will have to wait a week or two for accounting to get to it" I lost it. Called my bank and filed a charge back.

This still gets me fired up. I was so excited to get one of their bikes. I back and forthed for weeks deciding which to get. The thing is, if I was asked for a $50-500 deposit? I'd probably be riding a Commencal right now. Instead I'm on a carbon devinci that I found in stock and paid twice as much for because I was ragin lol.
  • 3 0
 @Cheddar420: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this experience was not uncommon during Covid. I wouldn't lay the blame squarely at Commencal's feet, especially for the credit card processing, but the entire world kind of had a rough go. Take a deep breath if this still gets you fired up. Especially if you're bringing this up 3 years after the fact.
  • 1 0
 @Spencermon: I don't like being lied to. And that's what commencal did.

Anyone that deals with container shipping understands what I am saying. They sold a bike frame as if it was finished when it wasn't even made yet. Things from Asia are on the water for nearly 2 weeks, just to make it to NA. The frame would have had to have been done, packed, and in a container before I even ordered it.

While this happened during COVID this was not a COVID issue. This was an ethics issue. Commencal knew the market was hot and you are not generating sales with October ship dates. They needed to meet demand but they couldn't, so they made it look like they could and strung customers along for months and dealt with refunds when people finally had enough
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: that's fair. I'm sure they tried their best (at least the individuals) but there should have been a better system for updating customers about timelines.
  • 3 0
 Should the "how does it compare" compare riding characteristics, and not just geometry values and money?
  • 3 5
 Pinkbike has never done a good job of actually comparing bikes unless it is a group test. I guess they assume we can judge for ourselves based on the geo numbers
  • 5 0
 “Silver DustBuster”
  • 1 1
 I owned the previous generation of this bike. Absolutely loved it, rode it more than any other bike I've ever owned. It isn't perfect though. The BB is too high and the rear suspension really doesn't have enough progression, whether using coil or air. Thankfully the high BB at least is pretty easy to solve by fitting a 222x70mm shock, which also gives a small boost in travel too. The bike rode much better with this shock and without compromise or clearance issues.
  • 4 0
 Put a coil on a yoke driven shock and see what happens
  • 2 1
 E-bike and a DH rig. What else do I need?

The Commencal needs to scrap the float X and put in an X2. You could add all the volume spaces you want and you’ll blow through that shock with any aggressive riding.
  • 2 1
 "As the full model name suggests, the version reviewed here uses Bosch's Performance CX motor". Yeah, makes total sense to name the model Meta Power SX while using the Bosch CX motor and not the SX motor. Christal clear.
  • 11 11
 I doubt 99% of readers care or understand, but the anti-squat graph incorrectly labels the 10T and 52T lines. Also, using a lower center of gravity to show higher anti-squat percentage is shady
  • 1 0
 Honestly credit to Commencal for even labeling the CoG in their graph, often you don't even get that. The bigger issue is that review sites just print what the manufacturer sends them. Ideally there would be a tech editor plotting every reviewed bike in Linkage with same gearing, CoG, bike size etc.. for consistency. If PB is cooking up these graphs on their own then my apologies for speculating otherwise. Would be nice to aim for more consistency though if that's the case. Really though, only a handful of readers care. Would be nice for PB to forcibly raise the level of discourse but can't blame them for focusing on other stuff. Most potential bike buyers just want buzz words and comparison rankings.
  • 2 0
 Bike no boing boing when pedal
  • 5 0
 @skimgosu, the anti-squat graph is correct - the values are higher in the 51 tooth than in the 10 tooth cog.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer, thank you for correcting me. I am incorrect on the high/low inversion assumption. Fun fact, only 8% of frames I've analyzed have a higher AS in lower gearing.
  • 4 1
 does it need extra anti creak spacers?
  • 3 2
 @mikekazimer: I see Galbraith has opened up to e-bikes, I’d be interested to hear how wear and tear on the trail system changes (or not) in the next year
  • 1 0
 I think it'll be fine - most of the trails are directional, so there's not as much issue with two way traffic, and the WMBC does a great job with trail maintenance and hosting trail work parties.
  • 2 0
 Here in Santa Cruz we’ve seen a big increase in the pressure on trails in the last couple years, everything is eroding pretty quickly. Some of that increase is more people riding and some of it is from more laps on e-bikes. It’s impossible to tell which is the primary.

Galbraith opening up is a unique experiment. It’s also much better set up for mixed mtb and emtb riding with mostly wide road climbs and a top quality trail crew.
  • 1 0
 Always love the comments about long dropper compatibility being an instant dealbreaker accompanied by a picture of a half-height dropper
  • 1 0
 Sometimes it doesn’t insert all the way lol
  • 1 0
 It says not compatible with SRAM wireless transmission. I have the same rig and I'm running the AXS on it. Is there another or different one that I don't know off?
  • 1 0
 Do you have a T-type drivetrain? Where instead of using a derailleur hanger your derailleur is attached directly to the frame? Thats what this model isn’t compatible with.

m.pinkbike.com/news/review-1000-miles-on-srams-new-eagle-transmission-drivetrain-2023.html
  • 3 0
 Yeah by “transmission” they mean the new t-type drivetrain.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: oh I see. Thanks for the info ✌️
  • 2 0
 Why ebikes in general tend to have longer chainstays than similar non e-bikes of the same brand?
  • 2 2
 No matter what we do e-bikes are here I have both an Ebike and regular there is a place for both of them and definitely a different crowd to ride with for sure both are fun to each your own
  • 1 0
 Traded bikes for a day with my friend who owns an SX it was pretty dam fun and confident for something that wasn’t setup specifically for my likings..Nice Bike for sure
  • 1 0
 Hi Mike, what's the little black box on the rear wheel's valve stem in the first photo?
  • 5 0
 @rocky-x it’s a speed sensor for the Bosch sensor.
  • 1 0
 @Superboost: and it looks like a Tirewiz?
  • 2 0
 @ethanrevitch, yep, it's just a magnet for the wireless speed sensor.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Thanks all.
  • 2 0
 Great value with room for improvement. Oh wait... that sounds too dull.
  • 3 3
 @mikekazimer - small editorial error in the Geometry section. The seat tube angle is 77.6 degrees, not the head angle. Cheers.
  • 10 1
 Lucicky you spotted that
  • 2 0
 Thanks, that’s corrected.
  • 5 6
 Genuine question... why aren't companies producing bikes with less power and smaller batteries (i.e. lighter) but with more travel to allow for a comfy cruise up fire roads, then hit the gnarly decent?
  • 19 1
 They are. Heckler SL, Rise, Kenevo SL, etc...
  • 4 0
 You mean like a Transition Relay? The PNW version of that is a full-on enduro bike with 170mm of travel.
  • 2 0
 Slight typo on my behalf there.... should have said *more* companies.
  • 12 0
 It may be because the more gravity-oriented crowd are looking for the most assistance while going uphill - that way the climbing experience is more like riding in a shuttle truck or sitting on a chairlift. Plus, it's nice to be able to get more than one or two laps in on a proper descent. Ideally, the full power ebikes of the future will be 10 pounds lighter, but still have the same amount of torque and battery capacity. That's still a ways off, but things are moving fast.
  • 6 4
 @mikekazimer: 55lb ebikes make me wish I was riding a dirtbike instead. Too heavy to jib and seated pedaling at full power hurts my gooch
  • 7 1
 I bought a full fat e-bike, because I didn’t want an e-bike to be like a normal bike with assistance, I’ve got a normal bike if I want that feel, I wanted something to go and power out 1000m+ of climbing in 1.5 hours
  • 6 3
 @chumba17: skills issue
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Totally agree about the laps. Where there isn’t any uplift my full power long travel ebike might get me 20 laps down a jump or tech line while my enduro bike maybe 5 at most. For me the stability of the ebike also means I’m jumping at least as well as on the mountain bike - not so many whips but reliable and stable so happy on bigger features and easier to pedal up to speed again after any small mistakes.
  • 2 1
 @mariomtblt: which, my gooch hurting from pedaling on uneven terrain at 28 mph? Or physics dictating that 20 addtl lbs will make a bike much less playful?
  • 1 0
 @chumba17: both honestly lol
  • 3 0
 @mariomtblt: teach me your gooch skills
  • 1 0
 @chumba17: get outa the saddle bro
  • 1 0
 Good to see that this one has a bridge connecting the seat stays vs the non-motorized meta
  • 1 0
 being direct to consumer, if you have a bad battery can you easily change it out?
  • 2 0
 There is a small typo under the comparison section @mikekazimer. Decinci.
  • 2 0
 $8000 is basically value now for a bicycle
  • 1 0
 Are these bikes with range extender able to use it as its only power source with the primary battery removed?
  • 3 5
 I shuttle DH. No substitute to that style of riding.
Most ebikers…not all though, are riding tamer trails. If they rode proper DH theyd not get the same experience. Gapping, popping, manualing with the same ability. My own trail, no ebike will stay with a DH bike when pushing the envelope.

If rode enduro, them for sure ebikes make sense. DH shuttles arent available for everyone though, but it is the premium gravity riding example.
  • 1 0
 Another great bike to compare this to is the Giant E Reign, spot on geo and spec for the cash and vastly underrated
  • 5 3
 Will it crack ?
  • 1 0
 Is that a problem with Commencal frames? I keep eying them because they seem like solid value, would love to hear some real life feedback on reliability.
  • 5 0
 @g-42: I had a Meta Power for about a year with a 180 fork on it and ran it hard with absolutely 0 issues. That was before they went to the Bosch motors too, so I can only imagine it being that much better now. My only complaint I ever had was that they made the seat tube a little longer than I liked, so I was never able to get my seat all the way down and out of the way. Only made for a couple sketchy spots where I was used to the seatpost being lower on other bikes, but I also ride an XL and have long legs so I have a long dropper. I don't know if its an issue on other sizes, and not sure if its a problem for other people. Other than that, the bike was awesome.
  • 1 2
 @robbie92835: I had one issue with this bike when I picked it up this year. There was a small rattle. I solved it when I went to mount a water bottle cage and one of the two frame mount screws was loose. Other than that the bike was a super tight build from the Squamish shop.
  • 1 0
 Awesome looking bike. Good value too.
  • 2 3
 It is a well balanced climber just add the electricity and Voila climbing skills for days. You will never notice the fact it is shy of 60 POUNDS
  • 2 0
 pinionMGU ftw
  • 1 2
 When I saw the title I said "ughh another new Meta?" Didn't they just release a new one last year? But no this is an eBike?

Good to see it isn't 400lbs!
  • 4 4
 Unpopular opinion ebike review are a more interesting read because non ebike are pretty much all the same.
  • 3 3
 It’s not just an unpopular opinion, it’s also bad.
  • 3 4
 Good aesthetic and missed that it's an ebike on first glance. Only quibble is the shock linkage.

Biggest con: Price: $8,000 USD. I haven't paid that much money for a car.
  • 1 2
 Just here to absolutely leech onto a much larger publication who took at look at the same rig I did Smile

Here's my take: www.youtube.com/watch?v=406x7mju2Oo&t=262s
  • 1 0
 It's correct ... 8.000 dollars is a punch Big Grin
  • 5 8
 As an MTBer do you have to turn off your soul to write reviews on these things?
  • 3 5
 Cool pause.. not
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