First Look: Commencal Unveils Prototype Enduro Bike With An Unusual Four-Bar Suspension Design

May 19, 2022 at 9:45
by Seb Stott  


Commencal has broken cover with a new development project and a prototype enduro bike using an unusual four-bar suspension design. The Andorran company has until recently used a single-pivot "faux bar" suspension layout on most of their bikes and has enjoyed widespread racing success with their single-pivot enduro bike, the Meta AM.

But they've been developing and racing a six-bar DH bike for some time now, and it looks like they're experimenting with moving away from the single-pivot layout for enduro too.


The prototype bike uses a short-link four-bar layout, which means a rigid rear triangle is connected to the mainframe via two short links, much like a VPP or Maestro system. But in Commencal's design, the lower link connects to the rear triangle in front of where it connects to the mainframe. That's not an entirely new concept - it has been done by Alchemy, Jammis/Speedgoat's Chris Currie and Damon Madsen before, and there may be others I'm not aware of - but it's certainly rare.


In Alchemy's design, the lower link rotated anticlockwise at first (if viewed from the drive-side), then clockwise again as the suspension moved deeper into its travel. It's not easy to say based on the photos we have so far whether Commencal's design will do the same (it's hard to make out the pivot locations from the photographs), but it looks to me like the lower link will rotate clockwise throughout most of its travel. That would make it most similar to Chris Currie's design of the three mentioned above.

The development of the prototype is part of what they're calling the Commencal Enduro Project, a three-year initiative inspired by the DH development program which spawned that six-bar DH bike on which Amaury Pierron won the opening round of the 2022 World Cup. Commencal says the purpose of the enduro project is "to enable us to improve, firstly in racing and then for everyone."


The prototype bike seen here is the fruit of the enduro project so far, which began in June last year. Commencal say it has already allowed them to "confirm new kinematics and geometry principles." To me, that suggests they're hoping to expand on the four-bar design in future, but I could be wrong.

Don't expect to see it at the races any time soon though, as for now only Commencal's enduro project riders Alex Rudeau, Guillaume Larbeyou and Louis Jeandel will be riding it, specifically for R&D purposes.

More information as we get it.





226 Comments

  • 265 4
 that is sexy.
  • 6 0
 I love that strut on the chain stay by the lower pivot
  • 10 21
flag willdavidson9595 (May 19, 2022 at 13:47) (Below Threshold)
 It does look great but it also looks heavier that the previous model which was my only complaint with the old one. I feel like they could have gone the other route and made it as light as some of the heavier carbon enduro bikes out there for half the cost.
  • 12 4
 @willdavidson9595: Given that the current Meta costs as much if not a bit more than a simmilarly speced carbon Canyon Torque CF (both DTC) I don't think they like that option.
  • 20 32
flag Baller7756 (May 19, 2022 at 14:19) (Below Threshold)
 @willdavidson9595: This is where AL bikes should be making advances in design... weight. Changing the linkage, shock position and stroke are all nice fine tuning elements, but if manufactures really wanted to sell more AL bikes, they would put emphasis on weight.

This is a great looking bike, and Id love to have it for that reason alone, but at 36-38lbs... its just not competitive with an equivalent carbon bike at 31-33lbs.
  • 28 1
 a mirrored dw-link, I can dig it. and damn raw alu is just beautiful.
  • 3 0
 Looks weirdly like the (proto?) Turner 6-pack from a decade ago that was never release afaik.
  • 3 0
 love their simple, clean design aesthetic!
  • 3 0
 Insert “oops I did it again” reference for Commencal.
  • 5 2
 @Baller7756: Agreed. These bruiser enduro specific 35lbs+ bikes are great for riders who can really push limits, or specific terrain like the Pyrenees or Alps that have long natural downhill trails that require pedaling. Most “trail networks” simply don’t have long enough DH trails to justify it. Verbier comes to mind.
youtu.be/pLq2xC_wGMg
  • 2 2
 Aside from the fugly orange fork.
  • 6 6
 @Baller7756: Typical weight difference between a carbon and aluminum frame of the same design is about .5kg. It's 1kg in the worst cases. If you're seeing more than a 2lbs penalty for aluminum, it will be because of component choices, not the frame material.
  • 3 0
 @SvenNorske: Plenty of stuff in OR, WA, BC, CA, and CO have trails to justify it. There are plenty of trail bikes for those of you who dont have need for a bike like this Rolleyes
  • 4 1
 @ohio: You're probably a bit on the low side of that weight difference. Transition bikes are a perfect example because they have carbon and aluminum versions of the same frame only (and the carbon is of robust design).

Spire Carbon - 7.6lbs, Spire Aluminum 10.6lbs - 3lbs difference.
Sentinel Carbon - 7.0lbs, Sentinel Aluminum 9.7lbs - 2.7lbs difference
Scout Carbon - 7.0lbs, Scout Aluminum 9.5lbs - 2.5lbs difference

But you are correct in that most AL builds have lower end components and those add another 2-3lbs.
  • 1 0
 @SvenNorske: Yeah... its a shuttle/lift bike for sure.
  • 2 0
 @NorCalNomad: I dont think the conversation was about not having trails for bikes like these. The conversation was about selling more aluminum bikes. And the concept proposed was focusing on reduced weight through advanced engineering design.

If we could build lighter weight Trail and Enduro AL frames, we could probably limit Carbon to super light weight XC and DC bikes.
  • 4 0
 @Baller7756: Transition's aluminum offerings are probably the worst case I've ever seen; I remember commenting to that effect in the NSMB Spire review thread. Their carbon frames are fairly light, and their aluminum is unusually heavy. The Spec Stumpy EVO is a 1kg weight diff (2.3kg vs 3.3kg w/o shock, size Med). The Nukeproof Mega is literally the same weight in aluminum as carbon (3.3kg w/o shock for both, size Med). Put another way, the Transition Spire aluminum (4.4kg w/o shock according to Transition) vs Spec or NP aluminum takes a 1.1kg (~2.5lbs) penalty! Even vs. a Geometron G1 at 3.6kg w/o shock, that's a .8kg penalty, or more than 1.75lbs heavier. So to your original complaint, there ARE legit aluminum options that aren't boat anchors.
  • 54 0
 Im more interested in the giant head tube which looks like it will let you tweak the reach and head angle by quite a bit
  • 11 3
 1.5"? New standard.
  • 33 0
 @richard01: old new standard
  • 21 0
 maybe just a prototype thing, so they can be super flexible and adjust and fine tune the head angle? I know a lot of companies do that with their test mules, but this looks more refined than just a test mule, but who knows?
  • 13 4
 Or accommodate internal cable routing Wink
  • 23 1
 @blazersdad89: please don't
  • 4 0
 @blazersdad89: NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 Like a 2009 era 1.5 head tube all over again.
  • 2 0
 @taskmgr: will be the new 38.1mm metric standard Smile
  • 44 3
 Thanks to those who've asked if this is my design or I'm working with Commencal. I am not, and that's their own design. What it does do is validate the shit out of that lower link position I've been working on since 2005 and the new bike I'm working on right now until 3am every night. Mad respect for Commencal. This is fuel.
  • 2 0
 Revised leverage ratio on the new design?
  • 5 0
 @shirk-007: Yes. Very much. Very progressive. 3.11-2.12.
  • 1 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: That's a large change from the current design on the James. It will be coil shock friendly with that much progression.
  • 5 0
 @shirk-007: I love coil shocks.
  • 51 12
 looks like a yeti Big Grin
  • 315 11
 An alloy yeti for dental hygienists
  • 24 39
flag Rconroy (May 19, 2022 at 11:43) (Below Threshold)
 @newbermuda: Comment of the year right here ^^^^
  • 17 1
 And thats basically the same suspension idea as the Yeti V1 Switch. Short lower link that reverses it's direction through travel...Seb missed that Wink

@newbermuda the Yeti guys are RIGHT next to Commencal USA as well Razz . Wonder if there will be any funny comments that come out on Apex when those guys pass each other riding at lunch.
  • 13 0
 I thought it looked like a Pivot...
  • 2 4
 @newbermuda: Maybe they can paint it the yt blue
  • 13 0
 the infinity + 1 link
  • 2 1
 @NorCalNomad: I doubt this will be sold commercially because its so close to the switch design. But it is cool they are exploring the benefits of systems like this via the 6 bar system and this prototype.
  • 15 0
 @JibbyTheScout: any paint other than a clear coat on that would be a travesty.
  • 2 0
 @NorCalNomad: Spot is also right down the street too.
  • 2 1
 @Rconroy: PB historians will say that comment has appeared in other years.
  • 1 0
 Front and rear triangles are very similar to a Propain. Different links and shock orientation. I bet kinematics are remarkably similar.
  • 4 0
 Nothing new under the sunSmile
  • 3 0
 Good find. Thanks. Cool seeing a photo of Kyle and a trail I know too.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez Try going back to SB66 Wink I'm sure someone played with it before Yeti did though.
  • 3 0
 @NorCalNomad: The Switch Link is the same idea, yes, if you look past the concentric pivot. The guy at Alchemy designed that for Yeti.

The difference, as mentioned in the article, is that the Switch and Switch infinity behaves nearly identical to the DW link (which is partly why they were sued), where the bottom link "switches" or changes direction after the sag point. This appears not to, just like the prototype I linked.
  • 1 0
 Very similar but different!
  • 3 0
 @hexonjuan: Not quite the same as 3VO, but means a lot to see a company like Commencal using that lower link. Working on something pretty insane right now, and this is total fuel to keep at it.
  • 1 1
 @hexonjuan: THIS!!!!!
  • 1 0
 Damon's bikes were cool.
  • 1 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: Oh totally, it's really about the lower link being in tension rather than compression. I would like to see the EVD of the rocker though. Not sure if what is able to be seen is the only thing happening there.
  • 1 0
 @hexonjuan: Definitely looking forward to more info. on this one.
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: switch is different to DW and many other platforms in anti-squat performance. DW generally provides a linear anti-squat curve with high anti-squat above the sag point and low anti-squat at the end of the travel. You can get same shape into the curve (check the Behind the Numbers article on the Ripmo). But like FSR and single pivots etc the anti-squat curve is heading in one direction. Where as switch, VPP and a few others can provide nonlinear anti-squat outcomes which can be configured in a number of ways.
These pictures might help. Note which anti-squat curves have a lot more shape.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/18412053
www.pinkbike.com/photo/18886121
  • 21 0
 Raw Meta More Beta
  • 19 0
 Take my money I want one, oh wait I got no money
  • 6 0
 You need to sell more.
  • 14 2
 @Eatsdirt: you put the mtb down! MTB is for closers!

Nice guy? I don't give a sh*t. Good rider? F*ck you -- go to the skatepark and ride BMX!! You wanna ride here? Close!!

"Oh yeah, I used to be a mountain biker, it's an expensive sport." These are the new bikes. These are the commencal bikes. And to you, they're gold. And you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. it's not available for two years. They're for closers.
  • 6 0
 Aye, that's why we're born with 2 kidneys.
  • 14 0
 Raw Al looks so good
  • 12 0
 Kashima and raw alloy does something to the brain
  • 9 0
 on mtb-news they say that the hope to release that bike in summer 2024. That will be a long time of teasers
  • 5 0
 Kinda like waiting for any mountain bike right now
  • 2 2
 @DizzyNinja: considering you can buy pretty much any bike at the moment.. just not in america/canada
plenty of bikes around, UK theres good stock, Germany etc good stock, Aus good stock and NZ really good stock.
A quick google of commencal bikes tells me they are moving to frame sales more and more, Most of commencals sites have pretty much every frame/size in stock, a few full bikes in stock too.
  • 8 0
 When are they going to drop the video of this thing running down pedestrians in Bolivia??
  • 5 0
 650b wheels are my personal preference for gooning on old ladies.
  • 2 0
 £800!
  • 1 0
 @browner: when I bought it in germany back in the day it even was reduced to 700€
  • 1 0
 I had the 2004 version of it with 80mm travel. It wasn't their first, I think they started in 2003 with the Vbrakes versio.
cyclurba.fr/produit/image/photo0021501_L.jpg
I had the lower end version with a shock that wasn't adjustable so it was a flexy turd compared to other bikes. But it was my 1st bike so I loved it until I discovered the existence of "downhill", and then the bike didn't love me back anymore.

So it's 20 years ago not 10.
  • 1 0
 @faul: Yeah, but the iteration I got was around from 2008/9 to 2012. They also had a burlier fram with this linkage design I think.
  • 8 0
 Looks a lot like (a better looking) Jamis's 3vo with a horizontal shock
  • 1 0
 It sure does.
  • 2 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: Chris, have you been involved with the Commencal project?
  • 2 0
 @R-M-R: No, this one is all theirs. Been working extremely hard on a new project, though, and this is some really good validation. Great respect for Commencal.
  • 2 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: I'm stoked to see the new thing!
  • 3 0
 @dreamlink87: Thanks! Working on it near 24/7. Sneak peek and notification sign up over at: ministrycycles.com
  • 2 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: I’d still buy the Jamis Chris. They got soo soo close then fell at the last second by continuing the pressfit bb. I’ll wait for ministry.
  • 1 0
 @usedbikestuff: Thanks. Still riding the hell out of my Portal and love that bike. Been through a lot together. Pretty sure Jamis only does good ol' BSA threaded BBs on both Hardlines and Portals. My old Portal's a BSA 73mm, and site shows that for Hardline and Portals. If anybody's curious, the Portal is compatible with King BBs and every BB I've tried, too (sometimes you run into clearance issues with swingarms and big cups on some designs).
  • 1 0
 I was going to say the exact same thing
  • 1 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: Is Jamis going to be updating their geo anytime soon?
  • 1 0
 @jmhills: Not sure about timelines, but I know those guys never stop working right now. Meanwhile, overforking a Portal is pretty good time. Smile
  • 1 0
 @SpeedgoatDesigns: always keeping an eye out for the next thing from you. Portal needs a longer travel brother. Smile
  • 1 0
 @Rukman: I hear you. Smile
  • 3 0
 Number 1 complaint with my '18 Meta - the rear end had too much flex (tires would rub the chain stays - primarily brake side). Good to see they're trying to make it stiffer, even has shoulders on the seat stays to add a cross brace to stiffen it up even more so. Nice work Commencal!
  • 5 0
 On that note I find it interesting that they have a bolt-on seatstay bridge. Leads me to believe they are probably experimenting with intentionally introducing flex to the rear end. If they would have just wanted ultimate stiffness, they could have just welded on a big ol chunk of aluminium.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: it'll be interesting to see what the final product looks like. In '19 they had a brace between the seat stays once they went full 29r but removed it again in '20. Bikes are neat
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: that's what I was thinking or a bolt on fender
  • 1 0
 Yep', wonder if this change of kinematic is also a way to address issues with coil shocks than seem to happen with shock on a yoke.
  • 2 0
 Really surprised by the size of this bike. Maybe it just looks small,not sure. My medium meta is like most large bikes. This looks like a “real” or “old” medium size. Doesn’t look right to me as far as wheelbase goes.
  • 2 0
 Friend has measured the bike with software and it sits somewhere around 63.5 HTA, 78 STA, 430 reach, 1200 wb. Good numbers for Small sized frame, but their enduro raiders are average height folks (Alex Rudeau ~175cm). So don't know if this is picture of actual bike or mockup, as it looks like it barely can fit water bottle.
Very far from long bike concept that everyone tries to sell these days.
But you know even Jack Moir (190cm) chose medium frame for 2022 Strive, so maybe we are approaching too long?
  • 3 1
 Just wondering when Commencal will make Ripley AF killer for the rest of us mortals that downCountry and Trail is as rowdy as we choose to get. Given how the price of Ibis bikes have increased to the point that their value proposition is less tenable than before... It wouldn't kill Commencal to come out with a 120/130 ml bike with lighter (and lighter duty) suspension. A Deore build in combo withe a Pike/Fox34 for under $3600 is totally up Commencal 's alley.
  • 3 0
 I loved my Commencal until I road a Ripmo. Now, I love my Commencal and my Ripmo!
  • 3 0
 A “Downcountry” bike from commencal would be sweet! I owned a Commencal in 2018 and loved it but was way to much bike for my needs. But if I saw a small travel option from them I’d have to own it!
  • 5 0
 Looks like a Jamis Hardline
  • 2 1
 It sure does.
  • 2 0
 That looks cool - but still not as exciting as the fact that @COMMENCALbicycles is working with Sylvain Andre on a 20" race bike. This company is just fast - everywhere! Take my money.
  • 2 0
 Those trees in France don't seem to obey the same laws of gravity as the test of the world. Come to think of it... French riders don't seem to be affected by the laws of physics either...
  • 7 3
 Looks waaay better than a Yeti! Sexy, indeed!
  • 9 9
 I completely disapprove calling this a four-bar design. Four-bar designs don't have unified rear triangle structures (in which the seatstays and the chainstays are part of a single piece). This is the hallmark of a VPP design. And indeed, the rear axle rotates around a virtual pivot point, which is what VPP is the acronym of. The fact that the position of the lower link is "reversed" makes little difference in this context. It still has the solidity advantage of a single rear triangle structure, although the reversal of the lower link increases flex a little because of the longer distance from the rear wheel axle to the chainstay pivot.
  • 12 0
 Guess what! All dual short links are technically four bars, and all four bars have virtual pivots. So you're both right. Quiet down and move on, pedant.
  • 10 0
 It's a four bar just like horst has a virtual pivot point. The distinction of horst/four bar/vpp is artificial, they are all the same from mechanical standpoint.
  • 1 1
 @justinfoil: Then why use the four bar denomination, if it includes such different implementations? Might as well just say "full suspension bike". Or to specify, "dual-link" would be good.
  • 3 0
 @DavidGuerra: 4-bar is a strictly mechanical term. There are some marketing variations like Horst Link, VPP, DW-link and others and they differ a bit (the name VPP is stupid though since every 4-bar has a virtual pivot so...). But using a name 4-bar as a synonym for Horst Link is simply wrong. What's more, specifically a Horst Link might be configured so it does not behave as you would think just buy changing pivots a few mms here and there. In general judging suspension performance just by suspension "type" can be misleading.
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: because that's the way it is. Why are 4 door cars called "sedan"? Why are skateboard trucks called trucks?

For bikes, people like to categorize things. Yeah, it's often oversimplified or extracomplicated, sometimes old-fashioned and sometimes all buzzwords.

The only real easy distinctions could be:

Single pivot means axle path is a fixed arc.
Virtual pivot (short links, four bar, whatever) mean the axle path could be anything (but pretty much just a tweaked arc).
High pivot (single or virtual) means the axle path starts out going rearwards.

Everything else is VERY dependant on pivots locations, though I don't think it would be incorrect to state that PB, and others, like to assume that short-links usually have strong anti-squat and that (horst style) four-bars are often very active.
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: Copyright issues? Why does Evil call their linkage Delta when its just a single pivot? Really, there are only three rear end designs: hardtail, single pivots (where the axle is attached to the lower link, Orange, starling, Cotic, Trek/salsa, flex stays), and non-single pivots (where the axle is attached to a secondary link - 4bar, VPP, CBF, DW linkages, etc). Everything really fits into those options and the nomenclature is just marketing.
  • 1 0
 Also, the seat stays and the chain stays of what you're referring to as a 4-bar do have unified triangle structures - they've just got really really short chainstays and really really long lower links.
  • 2 0
 @dreamlink87: Delta is all about the connection from the swingarm to the shock and the leverage ratio curve that the system creates. It's not trying to hide that it's single-pivot, it's trying to enhance the idea that leverage ratio curve is at least as important or even more important than number of pivots and/or pivot location.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: Good point. I was using it as an illustration of the point that VPP is a tweaked 4bar system that allowed its designers to market it differently, but that might not be a perfect analogy.
  • 2 0
 @dreamlink87: I don't think it was just about marketing it differently. In the beginning of VPP and DW, there weren't really any designs, four-bar or not, that had similar kinematics. Not that VPP and DW are necessarily always similar, just that they were different to everything else.

Nowadays, four-bars have been even further refined, VPP ditched the weird s-shaped path and corresponding weird leverage that made pedaling up steep stuff kinda weird, and Ibis (DW) has moved away from the progressive-linear-regressive curve that worked so well on old (quite progressive) air-shocks but not so good on coil or modern (relatively quite linear) air-shocks. Everybody has kinda gone to decent progression on fairly straight leverage curves, so it could be argued that it's just marketing, but everything is kinda just marketing anyway, since all the kinematics, including things like anti-squat, anti-rise, etc, can be very different even within a specific design layout.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: That's fair.

Huh, now that I think about it, aren't Rocky Mountain bikes implementing a Santa Cruz VPP with different pivot locations? Heck, the DW link is pretty similar to a Horst link as well too - not from a kinematic perspective of course, just a design perspective
  • 1 0
 @dreamlink87: Umm, nope. Rocky has always used a four-bar of some sort (and some single-pivots on RM9 and such). At one point they had the chainstay pivot _above_ the axle (SmoothLink they called it, they might still call their design that), so that's technically _not_ horst-link, but still four-bar.

VPP and DW, and Yeti's Switch, are all closer to each other than to horst, since their lower links rotate in both directions as they go through the travel (at least it did on my old Mojo 1, maybe not on newer models with the different leverage curve), where the four-bar/horst chainstay always goes CCW (from drive-side)
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: Okay, I can see I'm not explaining myself very clearly. Lets try this again. From my perspective, Rocky has a rear triangle made up of the axle, the upper pivot, and the lower pivot. the previous iteration of Santa Cruz's VPP had a rear triangle made up the axle, the upper pivot, and the lower pivot. Rocky has a long lower link connecting the rear triangle to the frame and a short upper link connecting the rear triangle to the frame. Santa Cruz used a short lower link connecting the rear triangle to the frame and a short upper link connecting the rear triangle to the frame. Both rocky and Santa Cruz had upper links moving in the same direction and lower links moving in the same direction. The positioning of all their pivots are different. Does my perspective here make sense? If not, what can I explain better?
  • 1 0
 @dreamlink87: The direction of the upper link is one tiny piece. There are single-pivots with shock linkages that have upper links that rotate the same way, does that make them VPP-like? DW-link has same-rotating upper links but has been done with both a direct mount from shock to rear triangle (ibis) and a bell crank connection (pivot), so does that make it closer to an Orange (single pivot direct mount) or Trek ABP (aingle pivot bell crank), or Specialized (four-bar with 2nd class lever linkage)?

As you noted pivot location is a huge distinguishing factor, even within a "category". Conceptually one can say the short-links are four-bars, but the only real similarity beyond that is that both can be configured in a huge variety of ways for a huge variety of kinematics.
  • 3 0
 Holy crap this is nice! Please, PLEASE do size specific chainstay lengths!!
  • 2 2
 Back in 2015 commencal finally came to the u.s and i reached out for a spinorship and surprising me they said yes next thing i knew i had v3 frame and a meta frame shirts jerseys socks ..but was crazy every where i went nobody even knew about them and i would say there gunna take over the biking industry and bam high pivot idler bike and know the whole industry copy them ...Commencal makes the best bikes
  • 1 0
 Will it ride better? Probably, because multilink designs do offer more control over axle path, leverage ratio etc.

Wondering how/if the bike is a sturdy as their current stuff and keeps the weight in check
  • 3 0
 Without a doubt, more pivots, more bearings, gotta ride better…..hasn’t it?!!,
  • 4 0
 Huck that to flat eh!
  • 2 0
 Looks good! Reminds me of the first gen Pivot Firebird 29 and the Phoenix DH!
  • 2 0
 Gorgeous, and looks like the seat tube could easily fit the new OneUp 240's. Sold.
  • 4 0
 Full review tomorrow
  • 3 0
 is it just me or does that X2 look massive?
  • 13 0
 It's just because of your tiny hands.
  • 2 0
 This appears like they are working the design of Chris Currie and his 3VO that James incorporated.

speedgoat.bike
  • 1 0
 I really hope Chris is getting royalties on this one...
  • 2 1
 This design is a little different, but it's huge motivation to see a company like Commencal getting after that lower link design. Definitely validation. Working on my own thing now, staying up way too late. Update signups and sneak peek over at: ministrycycles.com
  • 5 2
 "anticlockwise" such a "britism"
  • 6 0
 Meanwhile astrophysicists have discovered proof of "countermatter", which they say is the counterthesis of matter.
  • 1 0
 @Steventux: "Two astrophysicists walk out of a bar...."
  • 1 0
 Looks a lot like the Stanton Switch9er FS, just a different direction of rotation on the lower link. Beautiful looking bike. I love Commencal's design language.
  • 3 0
 Pivot not high enough. Garbage.
  • 4 2
 They've clearly decided that when this bike will be released in four years, high pivot will no longer be on trend
  • 2 1
 @DC1988: It's not the trend now, Its People thinking that HP converts from DH bikes to endur/trail - which it doesnt, bikes are far different in design and how they interact with the High pivoting layout.

a trend is "longer, lower, slacker" and thats coming to an end now with several manf's pulling numbers back now
  • 4 2
 Can we get a filter to hide all the "looks like a..." comments, please? ;-)
  • 1 0
 Is that some kind of angle adjust headset? I think pretty soon bikes will have adjustable headsets that won't require you to hammer out the cups to adjust the angle.
  • 3 0
 Commencal keeps making the best looking bikes
  • 3 0
 No inside frame storage? Thats so 2019!
  • 1 0
 My Warphen m160 has similar instant center with the rear triangle ifo the bb it is an energetic climber and snappy stiff rear. Hope to see this in production.
  • 2 0
 @ Commencal: while you're at it, please also spec it with a threaded bb instead of the current PF.
  • 2 0
 Damn, that looks super sick. Super light looking, too. Wink
  • 4 5
 It looks noticeably short and steep and most interestingly, it's a full 29er. I've said it and I'll say it again: The age of the "longer, lower, slacker" sillyness seems to be coming to an end.
  • 2 0
 Sweet looking bike. Looks simple like my brain.
  • 2 0
 Once again they produce a fuckin screamer!!
  • 2 0
 Sell your high pivot bikes everyone!
  • 3 1
 Commencal bikes would look good in carbon.
  • 1 0
 It's missing the "flexing bridge" into the rear triangle... aire flex mode perhaps..
  • 2 2
 Did someone forget suspension 101?? That's not a four bar. It's a twin link. A unique one but certain not a "horst" link or any other variation.
  • 1 0
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-bar_linkage

It is a linkage with four bars, therefore it is a four bar linkage.
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 Not sure if it's good or not. Alchemy's leverage curve is unattractive to me.
  • 2 0
 Another sick looking Commencal.
  • 2 0
 This looks production to me.
  • 1 0
 How does Commencal keep making such sexy bikes?! Sigh....I'll take one of each.
  • 1 0
 Corsair König first gen type design. I could be wrong. It looks sweet though.
  • 2 0
 What a beauty!
  • 1 0
 This one is hurting my brain.
  • 2 0
 Socom
  • 1 0
 by ek that looks nice....
  • 2 0
 Looks so heavy
  • 2 0
 Yeti with a DW link
  • 1 0
 yeah im really digging these new commencals, they are sexy
  • 2 0
 Carbon is DEAD. Wink
  • 3 3
 Nearly fell off my chair!! What no Mullet??? Fad is dead! Long may it be dead!
  • 1 0
 Has the most flexible seat stay bridge of the quiver.
  • 1 0
 THAT IS NOT A USUAL BIKE! zoikes@!
  • 1 0
 Revised aspect ratio on that last photo.
  • 1 0
 If I buy this bike, will it bring back BETA?
  • 1 0
 Just one water bottle rivnut.
  • 1 0
 "looks like a session" lol but not at all
  • 1 0
 Yeti on Alloy Frame? wkwkww
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Stanton copycat
  • 1 0
 Bring back the 27.5 option!
  • 1 0
 That looks amazing! Commencal is killing the new frame design game!!!!
  • 1 0
 the infinity + 1 link
  • 1 0
 27.5”?
  • 1 0
 Super Boost + headset
  • 1 1
 Make a trail mullet 140mm rear travel! Take my money.
  • 1 0
 Foes????
  • 1 0
 i want one now
  • 1 1
 Looks like a byotch to keep clean.
  • 1 1
 还是喜欢之前的设计
  • 1 0
 Intense Socom.
  • 1 0
 ffrroootthhhiinnngggg
  • 1 0
 Four by Four, Knolly.
  • 1 0
 bring 27.5" back
  • 1 0
 A barista Mtb
  • 1 0
 Stanton copy
  • 1 1
 Jamis called they want their suspension design back
  • 1 0
 Me like
  • 1 0
 Yep, this is it.
  • 2 2
 Reversed VPP?
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 PPV?
  • 5 0
 @watchmen: haha. you said PP
  • 1 0
 @watchmen: I say PVP
  • 3 0
 @ReformedRoadie: I'm down with that.
  • 2 0
 OPP
  • 1 1
 @watchmen: Pay-Per-View has that locked up already.
  • 2 0
 @tacklingdummy: I think Pneumococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine called shotgun.
  • 3 4
 Looks like a V1 banshee prime
  • 2 3
 It's a '13 Bronson with the upper link flipped. Fantastic!
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 Looks like CBF
  • 2 0
 Not sure why the downvotes?

The biggest visual difference seems to be that the upper link and shock yoke are kinda "squashed" together so they "overlap", but otherwise in comparison to my Revel it looks pretty similar. I feel like functionally they are not hugely different.

Bike looks awesome at any rate. Will be interesting to see if a shorter travel bike also spawns from this platform.
  • 1 0
 the canfield design has both pivots pointing backwards. This one has the upper one going backwards but the lower pivot is forward.
  • 2 1
 @KennyWatson: The downvotes want it to be something new.
  • 1 0
 @zeedre: really? The lower pivot seems almost identical to how it's connected on my Rascal. Both links point "at" each other, roughly to a point inside the main triangle.
  • 4 0
 @zeedre: CBF is a formula. I have almost all layouts with it. It's not just what you see on Canfield or Revel.
The patent covers the CC in a protected area around the top of the chainring. I haven't mapped this bike yet to see. But looks great Commencal! Love your work guys.
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 @CBF-Suspension: Interesting that you can apply it to all layouts.
@KennyWatson but look at the pics www.revelbikes.com/our-bikes/rascal and specifically where the lower link attaches to the frame and then rear triangle. However, per their response, it could still satisfy the patent - we were both right . . . or both wrong?
  • 1 0
 @zeedre: those photos of the bare frame are kinda misleading I think, the frame is tipped forward quite a ways.

This is a better perspective from the non drive side:
www.mtbr.com/attachments/186f80c4-1a6a-419e-8a81-6db314da56a5-jpeg.1957375
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