Descending The Meta Power SX no longer shares the same suspension design as its non-motorized sibling, but the geometry numbers are close to identical. There seems to be a sweet spot emerging when it comes to modern enduro bike geometry, no matter if there's a motor involved or not, at least for me. I've been very impressed with the handling of multiple bikes that all have a head angle around 64-degrees, chainstays between 440 – 450mm, and a fairly tall stack height. Those numbers create a bike with plenty of stability, and the taller front end is especially helpful in the steeps. That doesn't mean bikes that deviate from those numbers are unrideable – far from it – it's just that at the moment I've been feeling most at home on enduro-ish bikes with those geometry figures.
The Meta Power SX's bottom bracket height isn't particularly low, and there's not much drop from the rear axle to the bottom bracket. That does help keep the pedals from smacking the ground when you're spinning up chunky climbs, or sneaking in a pedal stroke before a jump, but it also means the bike doesn't have the same totally locked in, do-no-wrong cornering performance that's possible with a lower BB and tall front end. That said, the motor and battery weight do help to counteract the higher bottom bracket to some extent.
The Meta Power SX is undoubtedly a big, full power eMTB, but its on-trail feel puts it more in the realm of an enduro bike rather than a mini-DH bike. For context, its suspension isn't as plush and impact-erasing as a bike like the new Norco Range VLT, or the short-lived Nukeproof Megawatt; both of those bikes cater towards a point-and-plow riding style. With the Meta, it can certainly handle those extra-rough trails, but the impacts aren't as muted, and you'll feel more coming through the pedals and handlebar. Ohlins does offer a model of the Meta Power with an Ohlins coil shock; going that route, or possibly swapping the Float X out for a Float X2 or RockShox Vivid would likely create a smoother ride.
The Meta Power does feel more alive at slower speeds and on smoother, flowier trails compared to some of those longer travel, plusher options. It's more responsive to rider inputs, and I didn't ever feel like I was getting dragged along for the ride. It jumps well too, as long as you're not trying to bunnyhop from a standstill.
There have been times where I like riding the ebike, mostly when i ride with other people who are fitter than me or when i am just unfit and lazy.
But, to be brutally honest though, 95% of the time i ride by myself and i can set the pace. This is where I always go back to the normal bike. Although it is allot harder work and i get to ride less trails, I do feel better after the ride and also a connection with my bike, Weird I know.
They are fun, but an unnecessary luxury.
(Unless you’re disabled or injured, or course)
Choose your own adventure
BUT... the EEB is faster up a hill for sure but also its mostly faster down a hill than the Amish too. I dont like jumping the EEB but I do really enjoy lapping the EEB when time is short or I just want to destroy myself with lap volume.
I am older too, 49. The Dh bike is still the most ridden bike in the shed, then its a mix between the XC bike, Enduro bike, EEB and some Jump/4x laps.
If I had to chose 1 bike to keep it would be the enduro bike as its the most versatile, luckily for now I dont have to decide, maybe I will one day and will struggle to part with any of them.
The Relay just turns our steepest trails from 80% climbing/ 20% descending to a bit closer to 50/ 50. That's a good thing.
That's my case, and currently recovering from a knee injury. Looking at ebikes for the first time, hoping one would allow me back on those 1000-2000m rides rather in 2 than 5 months...
Seems to be common among eBikers to hold on to a normal bike for a while, let it gather dust, then give in and eBay it
Having said that, using an e-bike is far better than shuttling bikes in the back of trucks. You’re absolutely right. If I only had one or the other option, I would absolutely get an ebike. Until then, I’ll keep pedaling from my front door.
The uphill singletrack passing is a pain for e-bikes and mtbs alike
I'm still a snob and hate on shuttling, and I ride an ebike now. Shuttle days get you the absolute least saddle time, by a massive margin. Hours of truck time for minutes of riding time. Ebikes let me get the exact same saddle time as a normal bike, but I can cover more ground and connect loops that involve steep grades or boring roads that I normally wouldn't bother with on a normal bike. It's simply MORE of what I love about riding bikes.
I'm not here for the environmental argument, IMO that's too complex and hard to debate and many folks just don't care. But there's no arguing saddle time.
"Human nature is above all things lazy"
It's always interesting to read some of the anti ebike comments on PB. They go on and on about how the sport us ruined, and maybe it is in the way they'd like things to be. In the end, people will ride whatever they choose.
But the arguments they are better for the environment than a car used for shuttling bikes please stop
Most of you have no idea how these things are made, where the materials come from and how they get them etc.
Just stick to whether you like to ride them or not. You don't need to use garbage arguments like that to justify having one.
Ps: anyone got the 2023 norco sight VLT. C1, any problems with it? I am considering buying one.
Quite many scenarios point clearly towards the ecological benefit of ebike Vs shuttling, I don't know why you seem to have decided to discard this? Are you completely surrounded and fed up with clueless ego-justifying people?
Before they all drive home in separate cars however far they are driving to the trail head. It's like if I drove with 4 of my mates in separate cars 50km each to a trail head, while living in the same area and then congratulating each other for using e bikes rather than driving a few miles in a car maybe 4 or 5 times, as a bike shuttle.
And i'd love to see these scientific studies, no doubt paid for by haibike or someone similar. Of course delivered at some seminar where they all flew in to attend.
Do you get it yet?
Great bike but fit and finish is a tad iffy ...tradeoff for the price I guess.
Quite playful for a heavy beast but definitely not as plush as many competitors. Feels like it has less travel than advertised.
Glad they sorted the seat post issue and ditched Shimano. The EP8 is the weak link on my bike.
625WH is not enough for a bike that's this heavy though. The 640 WH Shimano batt isn't either and I ended up purchasing a 2nd batt (becuase Shimano SUCKS and still doesn't have a range extender).
Finally. Use a Coil at your peril with this linkage. I was running a Super Delux Coil but snapped the shaft.
It's an absolute blast for ripping my kids around on the shotgun seat, but I just feel like such a dork if I'm riding it alone. And it doesn't give me anywhere near the same dopamine hit as a good ole fashioned bike.
I waited. Then the delay emails started coming. I ask for a refund. Commencal took my payment immediately mind you, for a bike they said they had in stock/on the way but didn't, but wanted me to wait a week + for a refund.
I will never deal with that company again. I had to do a visa charge back so they weren't sitting on my thousands of dollars... I don't know who think's that is an acceptable way to do business... Seems unethical to me.
Deposits need to be the norm in this space. Until that bike has a shipping label I don't want to pay more than $200.
And I was fully aware of the shipping/manufacturing delays companies were facing that's why I waited until bikes were listed with a firm ship date, a couple weeks out, before placing my order. I was checking their site daily. I ordered a frame because the full bikes were delayed until the fall. The frames had a solid ship date, soon, I was excited.
Listing 2 weeks out as a ship date means that those frames were on the water, on their way to North America at least half way there, or should have been, in order to clear customs/ports and get on a truck to Commencal, and then meet the shipping dates to the customer.
What I got as a excuse? Manufacturing delays. Commencal told me the bike wasn't even made. Yet they had it listed as 2 weeks out? During Covid? This was clearly done to generate sales, and deceive the customer as far as I am concerned. Then to ask for me to let them sit on like 4grand? for what was appearing to me like an indefinite amount of time. Ya... no.
Companies, especially companies taking credit cards, need to be more understanding of interest payments when they are doing their processing. They took $4,000 off my credit card. I am left either paying thousands for something that hasn't shipped, and won't for however long, or paying 18% a month on thousands of dollars. That's not right. Especially when within minutes of them processing my order my credit card was charged the full amount of a frame+extras.
I had the money to pay it off right away, that wasn't the point. The point is what Commencal told me I'd have the bike by 2nd week in July, then delayed to late September, a month sooner than the full bikes were supposed to ship. I had already ordered all the parts for the frame. They were here as the bike was supposed to be 2 weeks out...
I was upset, I asked for my money back, they said "you will have to wait a week or two for accounting to get to it" I lost it. Called my bank and filed a charge back.
This still gets me fired up. I was so excited to get one of their bikes. I back and forthed for weeks deciding which to get. The thing is, if I was asked for a $50-500 deposit? I'd probably be riding a Commencal right now. Instead I'm on a carbon devinci that I found in stock and paid twice as much for because I was ragin lol.
Anyone that deals with container shipping understands what I am saying. They sold a bike frame as if it was finished when it wasn't even made yet. Things from Asia are on the water for nearly 2 weeks, just to make it to NA. The frame would have had to have been done, packed, and in a container before I even ordered it.
While this happened during COVID this was not a COVID issue. This was an ethics issue. Commencal knew the market was hot and you are not generating sales with October ship dates. They needed to meet demand but they couldn't, so they made it look like they could and strung customers along for months and dealt with refunds when people finally had enough
The Commencal needs to scrap the float X and put in an X2. You could add all the volume spaces you want and you’ll blow through that shock with any aggressive riding.
Galbraith opening up is a unique experiment. It’s also much better set up for mixed mtb and emtb riding with mostly wide road climbs and a top quality trail crew.
m.pinkbike.com/news/review-1000-miles-on-srams-new-eagle-transmission-drivetrain-2023.html
Most ebikers…not all though, are riding tamer trails. If they rode proper DH theyd not get the same experience. Gapping, popping, manualing with the same ability. My own trail, no ebike will stay with a DH bike when pushing the envelope.
If rode enduro, them for sure ebikes make sense. DH shuttles arent available for everyone though, but it is the premium gravity riding example.
Good to see it isn't 400lbs!
Biggest con: Price: $8,000 USD. I haven't paid that much money for a car.
Here's my take: www.youtube.com/watch?v=406x7mju2Oo&t=262s
Too bad, no Bosch CX Race in the range.
Also, if he’s still living with his parents, presumably he has a bedroom and doesn’t need to live in the basement.
Unless basement bedroom!!
So sick!!
Tough to get fat when you ride close to 100 days.