Semi-Finals Moved to Qualifying Day in DH World Cup Schedule Changes

Jan 27, 2024
by Ed Spratt  
Jordan Williams turned up the heat after a solid qualifying and semi finals performance.

Semi-finals will no longer occur in the hours before finals as the race weekend schedule gets shaken up for the upcoming World Cup race season.

Appearing on the UCI MTB World Series website alongside the launch of the tickets for the first round of the DH World Cup in Fort William, the new schedule reveals the shift in time for semi-finals and the return to junior racing in the morning before elite finals.

Under the new schedule, riders will have training on a Friday before elites start with qualifying on Saturday morning, followed by the junior's qualifying session. After the juniors have had their chance to qualify for finals, the elite racers will be back on track for a semi-final session. Sunday morning starts with a training session before the junior women kick off a big day of racing featuring all finals on the same day.

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While this schedule was just for the Fort William round of the 2024 World Cup series, we contacted Warner Brothers Discovery as part of our reporting and were told this would be the format used across the 2024 season.

The new schedule marks a big change from the 2023 race weekend where all junior racing shifted a day before the elites with their finals taking place on a Saturday instead of Sunday in a downhill-only race weekend. The old schedule also meant junior racing often happened on a weekday in a multi-event weekend. The new schedule will ensure junior racing takes place alongside the elites during weekends.

It's great to see some positive changes made ahead of the season kicking off at the start of May in Fort William, and if you're planning on attending you can get your tickets here.

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  • 638 17
 NO ONE WANTS SEMI FINALS AT ALL.
  • 53 16
 While that maybe true for most, having them the day before finals will hopefully enhance the excitement for finals and be better and safer for racers, too. 2025 they will eventually be gone, hopefully.
  • 28 2
 Someone (who seems to be stubborn) in the UCI does.
  • 41 79
flag lkubica (Jan 27, 2024 at 4:32) (Below Threshold)
 In fact I do, cause you can watch them for free, so I watch them instead of finals
  • 32 99
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 4:54) (Below Threshold)
 Yes they do. I do for one and Im sure they are not alone. The purpose of the semi finals is to make watching the finals more entertaining. With no semi finals we had the ladies final building to a creshendo with the final runs. Then everyone could go and get sutff done or wander off for the next 2 hours whilst those placed 60-30 came down the hill that no one cared about before we got to the top 30 and the race for the win. Now we have the ladies finals and straight into the mens final with the top 30 who might actually win.
  • 29 58
flag fabsmf FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 5:07) (Below Threshold)
 Why wouldn't you want more racing to watch and a more exciting Finals day?
  • 119 14
 @chrismac70: I'm glad you like the format, but I think you're the only person I've ever heard say that. The riders don't like having to do multiple race runs, and it's more strain on the organizers. From a fan standpoint the semis drag things out way too long. Watching all the coverage is like 6 hours, so pretty much nobody is watching the semis. So you tune into finals and suddenly there are people missing- did they crash out? Put down a bad time? Who knows! It also takes some of the excitement out of finals, in the old format people would hold back in qualis, now with the semis if someone wins by a good margin you pretty much know that unless they crash they're going to win finals.

Summary: Dangerous for riders, too much coverage to want to watch, makes finals confusing, makes finals less exciting.
  • 59 0
 @Portland-maine: I never once watched a semifinal last year, and I watched all the races.

As a watch-on-TV fan who barely has time for the top 30 men, it’s hard for me to understand how the semi’s had any impact on anyone’s enjoyment of the racing.
  • 13 0
 @mluk2004: Since they took over from Red Bull it's WB/Discovery that decide on the format, not the UCI.
  • 4 3
 @commental: that's even worse, you'd think WB/Discovery would be more in touch with the fans!
  • 24 0
 @mluk2004: Would you? I've seen little from them that would lead me to think that.
  • 7 1
 The only time I enjoyed semis last year was when I went in person and planned my entire weekend around the race and was on the side of the hill slinging beers all day. They were a drag otherwise.
  • 20 0
 I want to see the qualifying televised. Make more of a deal of that (make it free to watch) then they could sack off the semi's.
  • 3 3
 @lkubica: same here
  • 1 0
 True
  • 5 2
 @pmhobson: this was exactly my experience. It has been an improvement as I can now watch the womens and mens finals together without it taking up a whole afternoon.

The odd thing was that the outrage about it on here didn't start until a few races into the season, but seems to have become a major issue since then for whatever reason
  • 12 0
 100% agree. I am a liitle surprised that we are surprised by Warner/Discovery and UCI poor choices. A bunch of business dudes who have most likely never been on a mountain bike and don’t have a clue.
  • 10 10
 @elbandido77: I mean. I understand that the racers don’t like it and fans want to support the racers. That makes perfect sense.

But the comments along the lines of “semi’s are bullshit. I don’t have all day to watch racing” are completely baffling to me.
  • 5 0
 It’s a way for WB to stream free content in a bid to drive new viewers to the paid content, without giving up the Crown Jewels of the finals. But the double subscription paywall is going to kill that. I am just glad I have Max for the full year already and I just have to turn on BR sports for a few months.
  • 16 0
 Heard this on a vital podcast but they threw out the idea that qualifying takes something along the lines of the top 60. Of the top 60, the top 20 riders move onto finals. Riders 21-60 then go to semis were the top 10 of that move into finals giving you 30 riders. Still motivates riders to get into those top spots but also gives others opportunity to get to Saturday if something didn’t go their way. I rather have the two race format but if UCI really wanted to keep the three race format it would meet in the middle.
  • 3 3
 @fabsmf: amazing that this would be downvoted.
  • 3 2
 @Portland-maine: wait, are you suggesting the racing is for the fans?

Wierd, I always thought racing was for the racers.
  • 6 0
 @fabsmf: Maybe more racing, but boring one. Rider do not like it due to the increased risk of injury and I think 2023 season juste showed it with the incredible amount of injuries and top riders completly out for the season. So yeah... more racing but when half of the leader board is out I don't think it makes it more intertaining.
  • 1 0
 I mean it's the way I go now, I'd prefer to watch finals, but I'm not about to give more than my time
  • 2 1
 @chrismac70:
1000 agreed
  • 2 0
 I always thought that the semis were their excuse to still have a free option and then discontinue the free part when everyone complained about it.
  • 1 4
 This guy no one sounds like a cunt
  • 3 1
 @Muckal: Not really man, it means that spectators turn up to the finals day and don't even see the 30 guys who didn't make the cut. Those 30 riders will be missing out even more now.
  • 1 2
 @sanchofula: It’s actually for the marketing department who fund it
  • 1 0
 NO One is a big call. A few of the top guys seemed to like the chance to up their game once they did a semi's run. Was voiced in a few podcasts, but agree that yes generally it seemed to be disliked.
  • 1 1
 @pmhobson: um, cause they cause riders (good riders) to actually miss out on a actually finals shot..‍♂️..
  • 2 0
 @dmanvan: doesn’t have give a lesser known rider a better chance at winning the final?
  • 4 0
 Just televise qualis for us nerds and make the points for good qualis worth more so it becomes the de-facto semis without diluting finals
  • 1 0
 @midwest-mtb: So is it like an LCQ in Supercross then?
  • 218 5
 How about moving the semi finals to the bin?
  • 34 1
 Tell them where it’s going, Marty. In the bin.
  • 9 1
 @dirtmakesmehappy: haha, I wonder how many people on here would get that reference…
  • 4 0
 @Rabbuit: Cheryl's box
  • 6 0
 I cant find the point...it easier to qualy only de 30 best riders and thats all, with out semifinals...at the end it is just qualy X2
  • 2 0
 Totally agree. And make a 60 final like it allways was. Who will drive to a race to just watch 30 riders? Killing the live part for some TV improuvements. Still bot worth it
  • 118 3
 Warner bros still haven’t realised that 98% of fans, riders and anyone in the industry do not want semi-finals. It’s boring for the spectators and more dangerous for the riders.
  • 9 48
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 4:56) (Below Threshold)
 Its not about the fact that no one cares about the semi finals. I would agree. Its about making the finals more exciting and watchable. Having just watched the ladies final reach its climax, who wants to sit through those placed 60-30 in the mens race having no chance of winning before the top 30 and the real race starts. This way you go straight from the ladies final into the top men who stand a chance of winning
  • 52 0
 @chrismac70: This can also be achieved without a semi-finals. It's called "qualifying"...
  • 9 23
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 6:35) (Below Threshold)
 @Phipu: Fine with me. Ditch the semis and have a straight qualy to top 30 for the mens. I have no problem with that. What was pointless was watching those who qualified 30-60 in the final because the only time they would ever make the podium would be because of the weather
  • 31 6
 @chrismac70: I don't see how "I don't care enough about this sport to want to watch everyone" is an attitude you would want to repeatedly comment about on Pinkbike.

I'm sure there are plenty of half-assed fans like you out there who would happily see the sport gutted so badly only a handful of pro teams remain to offer spots to 40 odd riders, but as an actual fan of the sport I feel like I need to tell you to keep your mouth shut about it.

Or have you just not through the consequences of your own laziness and disregard for the sport? People complain that it's difficult for privateers and then support the decision to offer less places in finals, which leads to less room overall for professional athletes. You can't have both opportunity and exclusivity, so please just get over yourself and fast forward through the riders you don't find exciting enough.
  • 5 2
 @chrismac70: in the red bull days of 60 men in finals, they only broadcast the top 30 or so. Still had just a good of a crescendo if not better.
  • 6 18
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 10:42) (Below Threshold)
 @Rudy2455: I have thought it through thank you and I think you will find there are many many fans who didnt watch all 60 riders in the RB days, partly because they were never broadcast in the first place. Instead there was an hour or 2s break in the broadcast whilst those placed 30-60 did their runs without any media exposure. At least now they get some air time in the semi finals, if you bother to watch them.

As for privateers,that depends on what you mean by privateer. In my view privateers are 1 or a small groups of friends traveling around working to fund racing. PB Racing for example is not a privateer team, they are a professional team, just not a factory team. IMHO privateers as I define them have no place at the World Cups. Its supposed to be the best of the best, not anyone can turn up if they have won a few points somewhere in the last 12 months. Its supposed to be the pinacle of the sport. Privateers should be racing in continental series that are affordable to proove themselves and get a place on a professional team
  • 3 13
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @vesania: I disagree. It meant that after the ladies you went and did something else for a couple of hours and then came back to watch the mens once they got to the top 20 or so. What actually happend in our house was we went riding for the day, ignored the media then in the evening watched the ladies and then fast forwarded the mens until we got to the top20
  • 4 3
 @vesania: Look at that, someone who can spell crescendo.
  • 3 0
 @chrismac70: yep that’s what we do now, and back in Red Bull days. Since I’ve never watched live broadcast (just replay), From my point of view, having 60 in finals is the same as now. Except I’m less likely to see some lower ranked riders throw down a fast run in finals now, since they are less likely to make both semi’s and finals
  • 7 1
 @chrismac70: you're telling me you haven't watch a local DH rider move from the bottom to the top without telling me that.

You are either an internal wb/d employee or a fan bit of big names only, getting rid of a top 60 format prevents a lot of success stories from happening over the years, can you name them? Probably not...

What if a local finally gets their big chance on race weekend sneaking into the top 60 with a shit line and then dominating on the final race run?

You're essentially saying, I don't want grassroots riders getting their chance at sponsorship and living their dreams.

So I don't think you have thought about it tbh
  • 1 0
 Well said, Chris Ball needs to listen.
  • 3 2
 @sampo18: No am not. I’ve taken off the rose tinted romance of the zero to hero and looked at reality. The problem is not the World Cups but that there is not a good network of continental series that upcoming riders can learn race craft, afford to travel to and attract sponsors by proving themselves that way. It should be that the North American series does that for your side of the pond and the ixs cup for the European side. There need to be others especially for the southern hemisphere.

I would like to see the impact of these changes help add to the value of these contents series that can deliver the best to the World Cup stage
  • 101 3
 UCI still nursing an unwelcome semi!
  • 5 5
 Comment gold right here imo
  • 7 0
 Just keep thinking about baseball and maybe it will go away?
  • 1 0
 Winner!
  • 65 1
 I don’t get why they would not just skip semis and make a live coverage of qualies? Would that not be best for everybody, back to the old format but still with 2 live races?
  • 13 0
 Yep, with more points to get during the qualies if you want to have two exciting shows.
  • 5 1
 @fautquecaswing: this is the way it should be. Or get rid of the qualifying. But the way it has been last year just doesn't make any sense
  • 6 0
 Time. In order to show qualifying runs they'd have to increase time between riders starting their run. With over 150 riders trying to qualify (just in Elite Males), it would take all day.
  • 64 5
 It's like plowing your step sister.... some positions might work a bit better but no position will make it totally ok.
  • 4 3
 Unless you live in kentucky or montana
  • 7 1
 that's just regular sister
  • 4 4
 @jeffrocx: and when you’re finished you can turn her over and pretend its your bother

(Adapted from a Jimmy Carr joke…so not my fault)
  • 2 2
 For what it's worth pretty much every American I know is super nice, the few ruin it for the many for sure.
  • 3 1
 39 people found this relateable, interesting
  • 40 1
 Why don't why they just make semis for 31-60 as a last chance qualifier? Top 5 make finals. Gives people who had a bad quali but deserve to be in finals another shot at getting there. Seems simple enough and would be a much better compromise. And I might actually give a shit about semis then!
  • 1 1
 I like this idea. Though it’s hard to imagine that the 60th qualifier actually has shot at the eventual 31 - 35 slots outside of a top-but-not-protected rider crashing during qualification
  • 7 1
 I really like this idea. The LCQ format works really well for SX - it gives the top riders who missed out on qualy a chance to move through (and gets rid of the need for any "protected riders" nonsense), it gives the people down the order a chance to compete for some form of a "win" without being blown away by the top dogs, and for people who want to watch more racing than just the finals it provides an actual race with excitement because the stakes for the winners of the LCQ are pretty big. Aaaaaand it would also solve the problem of the top riders hating the semis format because it means nothing to them and is just another chance to get injured - they don't have to ride in it, but for the riders who won't crack the top 20 anyway it's their time in the spotlight.
  • 2 3
 I really liked this idea but just realized the problem is that racing is to conditions dependent. You can't have a situation where the main race is run in the rain and then the scrub race is run in the dry and they get to displace everyone due to the much faster track conditions for the whole field.
  • 4 1
 @ccrida-pnw: The SX format solves that: only a small number of riders from the LCQ get promoted - in SX it's just the top 4 that get a promotion to the main. And they're not displacing riders from the main either, they're just a small group of lucky riders who get one more chance, hence "last chance qualifier". And they still end up at the end of the order, regardless of what their actual time was. They're just competing with each other for the last 4 spots.
  • 5 1
 If so, they'd either need to quit awarding points for the semi-finals. That, or choose to give "direct qualifiers" even more points for their qualification so that eventually the one who just missed out on direct qualification but won the semis heads into the finals with only slightly fewer points than the worst direct qualifier.

this might also imply that we'll have to drop the protected rider thing. They're already getting a second chance after all.

Either way, the whole thing will turn out to be so complex that no one will be confident to complain in the comment section whenever something was handled unfairly.
  • 5 0
 @vinay: the idea is that 25 riders go straight to finals with 'qualifying' points for positions 1-25. Semi final / lcq then gives everyone from say position 26-60 a second run and the top 5 from that run slot into the final with the initial 25 in positions 26-30 and are awarded thw 'qualifying' points for those 5 last positions. Everyone who finishes outside the top 5 in the semi/lcq gets nothing but a firm handshake and a patronizing 'you tried your best'
  • 5 0
 @vinay: You're overthinking this. There would be no semis anymore, and as I said it gets rid of the need for protected riders. Like @farkinoath said, it's pretty simple. You run qualifying. Top group goes through in the order they qualify in. Everyone else gets one 2nd shot at it and the top few get added in at the bottom of the order. Then you race and it's done.
  • 34 3
 Honestly surprised it’s not being shown on Pornhub… because they’ve really f*cked us.
  • 9 0
 And I still wouldn't be able to watch it where I live.
  • 1 0
 But it would be free then
  • 14 0
 @FloriLori: in some parts of the land of the free w*nking is now illegal…atleast to online porn. Can still carry guns and shoot people, so nothing weird at all
  • 1 4
 @Monkeyass: Not sure whether you're talking about a different land of the free other than the self proclaimed land of the free, but at least as far as I know in the latter, shooting people is very much being frowned upon.
  • 28 1
 WHO THE HECK over at Warner Brothers/ the UCI can't admit that semi finals are a bad idea??? Literally nobody wants them, not the riders, not the fans, nobody.
  • 3 4
 Seems like the decision now will be keep semis or cut the field. It’s unpopular but nobody likes to watch the 60-30 men anyway.. this kinda is what what the people want.
  • 20 0
 Awesome! Now there are 2 days of great riding I can’t watch from Canada. Thanks UCI and Discovery. I love reading about things after they happen. Next great idea, let’s broadcast on AM radio.
  • 1 0
 Same here in Australia. It really does begin to look like we're being left out in the cold.
  • 2 0
 @highland-hippie: I'm surprised you have that saying in Australia.
  • 1 0
 @Fill-Freakin: Ha ha gold - Yes basically since Christmas here in Qld the temp has not dropped below about 24degrees C ( even at night Smile ) - we do actually get snow in a few, isolated regions of the country though so we gotta grasp what we can.
  • 8 0
 Any word on how we can actually watch it this year? The website still says: "In markets outside of Europe including the US, fans will be kept fully informed about future live content."
  • 2 0
 I think I’m the US you watch it via max somehow, like an add on package. I think there was an article about it. Not sure about non-us
  • 3 0
 At this stage, we appear to be in a "too small for them to care" market.

No doubt, if and when an option becomes available, it will be as poor value as GCN+.
  • 1 0
 @highland-hippie: fellow Aussie, just to make it hurt some more I fired up Red Bull and watched some racing the other day.
  • 10 1
 Now we just need to adjust the point system too - Hope semi’s get less points this year to emphasise finals.
  • 7 1
 Semi finals is the racing format of headset cable routing. We immediately hated it and said no. They continue to try and make it better/justify it. We continue to berate them.

It never ends…
  • 5 1
 It’s a stupid schedule, the elite still having two races in the same day, this time one day earlier… instead they should make it like this - Thursday juniors/elite training, Friday juniors/elite qualifying, Saturday juniors finals and semi finals elite, Sunday finals elite. And of course morning training for everyone before quails, semi’s and finals.
  • 4 0
 A lot of short memories of the TV coverage of the fort bill world championships last year here. Riders were lucky to get 30 to 45 seconds of live coverage of their runs. So if this move goes to fixing that, then it's a smart move.
  • 2 0
 yep, it was atrocious.
  • 5 0
 This is a classic case of a company making a mistake, but can’t admit it was a bad idea so instead of just removing semi finals, they just move it to quali day.
  • 3 0
 clearly this schedule is an improvement, and addresses some of the rider concerns. The practice days are now more important with a very limited window for practice before qualifications....but there should be plenty of time for the turnaround and prep for the semis at the end of the day. The elite riders can still build speed each day and each run. The new schedule still puts the second level mid-pack riders in a tough situation....they need to put down 2 all-out runs on Saturday. Hopefully they expand the the women and junior fields a little in both semis and finals. You could add 5 riders to each with no issue, and make the finances work a little better for more riders.
  • 2 0
 100%. This is a better outcome than cutting the field IMO
  • 3 1
 I am sure I am not the first to bring this up.... but seeing that we seem to be modelling a bit from series like SX with the semi's, I am curious if the point is to reduce the field for finals so can fit a timeslot and have more coverage of each of the top riders, why don't the top 10 (or more) from qualies get a direct entry into finals with their position set, and then the remaining positions/order for finals are then up for grabs from the remaining riders that made the semi. This way it rewards the top quali spots, is a reward for those that make it. ( one less run and points ) . Gives purpose to the qualies and an extended opportunity. ( like last chance quali / semi in SX ) for riders to make the main event and get a better running order. ( gate pick ). Eventually , I agree it isn't a necessary add-on... but curious if this tweak would satisfy the racers/fans
  • 2 0
 Regardless if the these decisions are made by the UCI or Warner Brothers/Discovery, If the top racers are not happy with the format and lack of having a say they will move on to other series. Such as the Monster Energy series. I can only imagine that it is four races for 2024 but will grow in the following years. Remember the format is only one of the issues the riders have with the UCI and Warner Brothers/Discovery.
  • 2 0
 They better broadcast every single turn of the semi's so their ratings can prove that no one cares. I have to admit that part of me wants to see someone intentionally drag ass down the hill, seed last, race first, then sit in the hot seat all afternoon because they took advantage of the better track conditions... Though, if they did, the uci would probably ban the practice.
  • 4 0
 Old me would have been very upset that seem finals are still a thing. New me can't even watch any UCI DH racing anymore, so I guess I should move on?
  • 3 0
 Juniors moved.... Well not fussed about watching any of it now, juniors on a Friday was awesome. Would rather ride my bike at the weekend as some of have to race the joey races too and the weekends are our riding time.
  • 4 0
 It's almost like someone half listened to the riders. Nah, probably a monetisation thing.
  • 10 1
 someone semi* listened
  • 4 3
 Whilst i found it too long having the semi on the same day as finals and the semi final confused me (as to how its different from qualies) i can understand that you need yo cut the quali field down significantly to make it televisable hence why the quali isn't broadcast and the semi is

Also sponsors want airtime! Racing has taken an investment beating enough. Sponsors have to be appeased of racing is to grow. Like it or loathe it sponsors and tv money pays for sports. Everyone seems to have all the ideas in the forum but i wonder why no one has got the job at eso/discovery to make it happen yet …..probably because they dont truly work in practice
  • 5 2
 This is some supply side economics thinking right here.. Make the format better for the sponsors by making it worse for the fans. How happy will the sponsors be when the viewership numbers are in the tank for a second year in a row?
  • 2 0
 @freestyIAM: remember when everyone said the premier league would fail with football behind skys paywall and satellite tv requirement? Its now the biggest most lucrative league in world fiscally and from an entertainment perspective

The current fans want x but the future fans may want y. Eso will know what people are watching and where the growth is. They also have 8 more seasons till their deal is up so effectively 2/3 more to get it right so expect more changes before the format is right
  • 1 0
 Who and why made the changes? If the riders don’t like it say so. It must be part of a contract. Do they put up a dart board with random changes and throw blindfolded? Ahhh Ok this must change now! Too bad if you don’t like it!
  • 2 0
 According to many podcasts, the riders did say something and the UCI/WB didn’t bend to any requests or rider feedback regarding format, logistics, etc.
  • 1 0
 I don't like semi-finals but would we care if it wasn't televised? It's only purpose is to reduce the field that then makes it suitable for television!! Why not just do away with qualifying and just have semi-finals and then a final? Or just have the top thirty from qualifying.
  • 3 1
 Just get rid of the description of 'semi-final' and call it Final qualifying, like in motorsport. Free practice, timed practice, qualifying, then race. It never made sense to have the semi & Final on the same day......
  • 1 0
 It's a small change but not enough to get me to bother watching this season. I loved watching the world cups when redbull had it, I paid to watch it last season hoping it wouldn't be as bad as I thought but the UCI and Discovery have really fucked it up and dropped the ball.
  • 1 0
 Does semi’s actually reduce the number of riders? Like are people being eliminated if they dont make the next cut? Run qualies to narrow the top 30, semis to knock it down to top 15, then show full race runs. I feel like that would make some sense. But not as much sense as just cutting it completely.
  • 1 0
 In a sport that is facing one of its biggest challenges, firms going under and a stationery bike market the last thing we want is a bunch of muppets running the TV coverage. It's sad that with all of their resources and experience Discovery has followed the modern day trend of listening to the people in the office rather than listening to the people at the pit face, the riders, team members and fans.
  • 1 0
 Get rid of semi finals and broadcast the last 60 runs of qualifying
Keep the 5 person podium
Keep 30 in finals
Don’t worry about trying to show every inch of the course
Research the riders you are commentating on and chat with them so that your commentating is interesting
DO NOT GO TO THE TEAM MANAGERS OR OTHER RIDERS DURING A RACE RUN!!! We are watching, and paying, to see the racing
The racing is the most exciting and interesting thing so save all the interviews and cute stuff for a pre or post race show
  • 4 0
 Yet they are determined to thumb it in......
  • 3 2
 Nobody is watching this without Rob Warner, especially now you have to pay for this rubbish, the commentary is just awful now and Cedric is so biased to the point it’s pure cringe!!
  • 5 2
 Who benefits from having semi finals? I see it as the most pointless thing in MTB.
  • 2 8
flag chrismac70 FL (Jan 27, 2024 at 4:58) (Below Threshold)
 Those who would otherwise get knocked out in qualy because a 60 strong mens final is pointless and spoits the excitement of finals day.
  • 7 3
 Clearly not listening to any feedback
  • 1 1
 Better, but not good. Why they stick to the semis?! I think to cut down the starterfield to attract more spectators viewing?!
Other than that just can't find any other reason why to have them... and even a smaller starterfield isn't a real argument.
  • 4 0
 Bin off Semi finals and just add an extra race or two to the season!!!
  • 4 1
 Good to see anyone involved in this mess is just digging there heels in, semi finals are a shambles.
  • 1 0
 Why don't they do a last 16, then a 1/4 final to go with the semis and finals? Or maybe do a league with promotion and relegation, cheer leaders on the course and start/finish line etc etc.
  • 4 4
 I don't understand the outrage about the semi's particularly the notion of having to do a extra full fast run. Heaps of sports from club all the way to international level have qtr/semi/final level competition over a few days/weekend where everyone needs to manage fatigue and risk of injury to get through. Or double header race weekends where exactly the same thing happens.
  • 1 2
 Don’t let facts get in the way. Riders can easily train to do 2 runs in a day
  • 3 1
 @chrismac70: Yeah,,,me and my mates get at least 5-6 runs in every time we ride and we are not even Pro! LOL
  • 1 1
 Was lucky enough to get to Val de Sol for race weekend last year.... having semis and finals on the one day made for a great day's racing...gondola up for the women's semis and wander slowly down to be near the finish for the last of the men's finals. Tried to watch the streams of other races.... didn't watch a single semi. Watched the finals on Tiz and to be honest found it hard to maintain any interest in them... only good thing about them was Gwynns commentary, otherwise was fairly kack Will semi's being on a different day increase my chances of watching them.....not likely
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 Who's watching the UCI WC anyway, behind a paywall
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 I did last season. Great watching the finals for only £30 for the year
  • 4 1
 Get rid of Semi's and bring in a Hardtail DH category.
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 I'm more concerned about the boring AF camera angles and wide shots that make you feel like you're watching a documentary rather than an extreme sport
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 To be entarteined go to the cinema or theatre. The competition should be meant to guarantee the best sport performance. Than add as many cameras and drones as you want.
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 Wb/discovery is too afraid to put it fully behind the paywall as it would be fully doa


I think the paid viewer ship was well under 6 figures of views
  • 4 1
 How’s about semi finals before track walk, just to keep things spicy!
  • 5 1
 Bring back Rob!
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 The other thing that needs to go are those stupid, f-ing, handlebar grabbing course markers. The photo above shows why.
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 Watching…World Cup… (drifts off to distant memories)
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 Here's an idea - Parctice day 1, Day 2 everyone races off in dual slalom to decide starting order for finals. Fastest rider starts last. Easy - that literally took me 30 seconds Chris Ball
  • 3 0
 Will Bernard Kerr please stand up and tell us how you fell about this.
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 Screw the Semi Final and lets do DH Finals on Saturday and Dual Slalom on Sunday so all the DH'ers can race it with no worries.
  • 2 0
 Sounds like a way to eliminate watching the juniors for free and nothing else. Sad.
  • 2 1
 Please get Redbull back with Rob Warner, sometimes changes makes things better but WB this hasn't happened.
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 No one likes a semi. We all like it hard AF!!
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 You want semi finals? Fine. Get rid of qualies and don't worry when we refer to semifinals as qualies.
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 The UCI still has its feelings hurt from the peloton gapings. Thanks Watson
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 I'm sure you mean gapping hahaha.
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 @nateb: yeah I did a double take scolling through these comments haha
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 @nateb: oops…was early Saturday and the editorial staff is off
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 Can u view peloton gapings in all American states?
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 @Monkeyass: probably not on work computers
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 I'm actually surprised that ESO even recognised that the previous format was shit.
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 Still not watching
  • 4 1
 Dick Pound!
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 Just nix it. This is so stupid.
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 they are unable. Even acknowledging rider/fan/team discontent would be defeat.

And yes, stupid!
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 Verschlimmbesserung
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 @mi-bike: yes but no. Just Verschlimmbesserung. Translation with disimprovement ends up in some kind of Verschlimmbesserung too. Just leave it as it is. If ain‘t broke don‘t fix it. Same as with dh world cup until discovery / semi finals etc stuff came.
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 It just shows how out of touch WB is with their core audience. No one wants the semis.
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 well that sucks we leave morzine/les gets on the saturday night having gone by last year finals were on saturday gutted
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 How are we to watch the wc any way? The United States seems to be in the dark with available means
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 @handynzl: Thanks friend!
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 Sorry for the dumb question here. Do protected riders get a spot in the finals reguardless?
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 paging Uncle Goldstone, paging Uncle Goldstone...Uncle Goldstone to the comments please...

Until he shows up, see if I remember... last year there were two levels of protection: little p meant you were into semis, big P meant you were into finals...I think it was 20 and 5, based on the previous year's final standings? I got hung up on how they announced it after riders had finished the previous season, fully Mickey Mouse and unfair moves...they changed it at least once before the first race, too, so who knows what they'll do next year. But that's how I remember it.
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 @owl-X: it’s laid out here. assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/19VfFLnKvm2qgeovbR0N4d/5555f8bd603a91ec7f914c88aaf98f48/UCI_MTB_Rule_Changes_-_Part_IV_-_ENG_-_V05.2023.pdf

Vali, Nina , Marine, Loic, Jackson and Loris are protected straight into the final for every race since they finished top 3. Top 5 women and Top 10 men are protected for the final of the first race of the season but after Fort Bill it changes to whoever is top 5/10 of the current season.
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 @bgoldstone: thank you, knew I could count on you even without the direct @ ! I appreciate it.

I find it counterintuitive to increase the consistency required to reach finals (adding a semifinals cut to the qualification cut) while strengthening protection for those same most consistent riders. They increased racing by 50%, that should be enough to reward them.
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 @bgoldstone: Thanks for that!
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 So, the juniors don't have semi finals?, did they last year?, I can't keep up, or just didn't pay attention last year.
  • 1 0
 instead of being stressed on race day, everyone will bestressed a day earlier now. great!!
  • 3 0
 They are athletes; stress management and psychology is part of what makes the best the best
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 Instead of semi-finals, how about 2 finals runs per rider.
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 @pinkbike: you either have to give the nod to the Vital forums or actually get one first.
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 Warner Brothers just sucks at this. The XC schedules are all f@!cked up as well.
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 What is the point semis? If they keep it, it should serve a purpose at least.. Top 5 qualifiers should go directly to finals, everyone else races semis to get in.
  • 1 0
 This is great news. Keeping the semis will reward the viewers but make it tougher for the riders.
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 Rob back and free to watch is what I am waiting for...
  • 1 0
 Can we just fast forward to next years announcement already? World Cup End of Semifinals, goes back to just qualifying.
  • 2 0
 I'll watch semis if Rob is back.
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 semi finals right after qualifying is crazy
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 they should move it back to Sunday!
  • 1 1
 No change … total of 3 races on the schedule. Bring back quali and race. Nobody on Discovery listen rider who make show
  • 1 1
 This makes a lot more sense. Now let’s hope they sort out the points system as well
  • 1 0
 WB Discovery you still have time to dump semi-finals.
  • 1 0
 ONE step closer to being moved entirely out of the race format!
  • 1 0
 Yup, it's 2024 and I still hate the UCI.
  • 1 0
 Qualify Thur, Semifinals Thur pm and Finals Sat
  • 1 2
 Does Goldstone have his own league yet?
  • 2 4
 Racing is dead Long live FREE Ride
  • 2 1
 Racing is strong. It's just that the UCI and USAC need to go far far away!
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