YT Tues - First Look

Apr 27, 2018
by Paul Aston  


If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just perfect it. The third iteration of the Tues chassis went straight to the top of two podiums in Lošinj last weekend between the legs of Aaron Gwin. After the race, we checked out the third iteration bike and attempted to not die riding it down the Lošinj World Cup track.

The new Tues guards its predecessor's silhouette but has received some evolutionary changes to the kinematic, sizing, finish and detail. The biggest difference is the introduction of a carbon chainstay to complete the chassis. There are two models to choose from: the CF Race version is priced at €3999/$3999 USD and the CF Pro Race is priced at €5499/$5499 USD. All sizes and models should be available from 6th June.


YT Tues Details

• Intended use: DH
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear wheel travel: 200mm
• 63.5º head angle
• Full carbon frame
• 435mm chainstay, 440mm for XL/XXL
• Sizes: S - XXL
• Price: €3999 - €5499 EUR / $3999 - $5499 USD
Yt-industries.com

YT Tues 2018 - V4L


Frame Details

The Tues has received a number of small updates to the frame. The cable routing now has internal tubes that carry it through the frame and those cables are clamped under the main rocker link to stop rattle. The internal routing entrance port at the headtube is angled upwards to avoid contact with race number boards. The pivot hardware is now all accessed from one side (as requested by the Mob mechanics), there is an integrated downtube protector and the carbon chainstay has integrated protection, too. The carbon chainstay is said to save 300g, and 200g have been shaved from the front triangle. This gives the Pro Race model a claimed weight of 15.2kg.

The downtube has been shaped to lower shock and linkage deeper into the frame, which drops the centre of gravity slightly whilst allowing the bike to maintain its silhouette throughout the stroke of its travel. Gwin pointed out a few brands' bikes that look good in the pits, but kooky when they are sitting into the travel, and who wants their bike to look nasty in riding pictures?

The rear hub is still 150mm wide and uses a Syntace X12 axle; the dropouts also have recesses to receive the wheel, one of the benefits of a 157mm axle. The derailleur hanger is shaped to avoid chain suck between the cassette and frame and the chain can also be hooked onto the hanger when removing the rear wheel.


YT Tues 2018 - the internal cable routing is angle to exit above number boards
The internal cable routing has been angled upwards and optimized to clear race number boards

YT Tues 2018 - downtube protection
The PA66 polyamide plastic guard protects from incoming rocks.
YT Tues 2018 - the downtube is shaped to accommodate the shock in as low position as possible
The downtube is shaped to accommodate the shock in a position that's as low as possible.

YT Tues 2018 - cable clamp
This clamp holds the internally routed cabled in place.

All the bearings are now cageless full complement bearings and the pivots with the highest loads (main pivot and Horst pivot) use double row bearings. These bearings should add longevity to the pivot's life and there's been an addition of an extra lip seal to keep out dirt and water from the moving parts.

YT Tues 2018 - increased tire clearance
YT Tues 2018 - increased tire clearance
Tire clearance has been improved from the MK2 to MK3 Tues as well as heel clearance when pedalling.

YT Tues 2018 - rocker link
The frame hardware is all accessed from one side (except the drive side Horst link), a request from Mob mechanics to make wrench-life easier.



Suspension

The suspension has stayed pretty much the same; Head-Engineer Stefan Willared and Aaron Gwin said they had conjured up some ideas for an all-new system, but in the end, they were only creating more problems than they were improving. They slightly adjusted some pivot positions to tune the ride. The main difference is 15% increase in the anti-rise figure which means the suspension will be less active under braking but should do a better job of preserving the bike's dynamic geometry. This a benefit that'll give amateur riders a feeling of safety where the pros are so accurate with line choice and braking points. There are a few tracks that this feature will help the pros on, too, such as the super steep Val di Sole.


YT Tues 2018 - anti-rise graph
YT Tues 2018 - force travel curve

End stroke progression has been slightly reduced by 5% to get more use out of the last few mm's of travel, but the Tues is still one of the most progressive bikes on the market. This also means that coil spring fans should have no problem switching from air to a physically sprung shock. YT hasn't moved to a metric shock, instead, they have stayed with the huge 267x89mm stroke damper as the longest available Metric shock is 250x75mm.

There has been a small increase in mid-stroke support. Gwin wanted to raise the bottom bracket to have a little more ground clearance in the middle part of the travel, but in the end, the team decided to keep the static height the same and increase the dynamic ride height. Changing the suspension's curve slightly should raise the BB by 2mm with the same suspension settings compared to the previous bike – something that only American Superheroes will likely notice.

YT Tues 2018 - Horst dropout
Like the previous Tues, the shape of the frame at the Horst link is shaped to protect the derailleur from incoming terrain.


Geometry and Sizing

The geometry is also essentially the same. The head angle stays at 63.5º and the bottom bracket drop is -7mm, the chainstay is 435mm on S-L sizes but has an extra 5mm added to the XL and new XXL sizes. All frames have gained an extra 5mm of reach, and the XXL has a whopping 495mm reach giving tall riders plenty of breathing space. All frames can be used with adjustable offset cups from Acros to add or subtract 4mm to the reach, Gwin is currently riding an XL with -4mm cups.

YT Tues 2018 - geometry diagram
YT Tues 2018 - geometry table


Build Kits

To begin with, there are only two options of build kit, both based on the full carbon frame although we would not be surprised to see an alloy version in the future as well as a big wheeler. The Pro Race 'Mob Edition' is the headliner at €5499/$5499 USD (prices have dropped by around 15% in North America after a change of distribution channel) and is said to be identical to the bike the Mob races, the only difference being the racers have custom tunes (like all of the top riders) and lacks the FTD Flat Tire Defender system which is not an option to install when selling complete bikes online.

If you don't want to be in the Mob, there is a Pro Race version with the same components that has a liquid metal/black colourway. The Race version drops in at €3999/$3999 USD and offers essentially the same build with slightly lower spec parts like the black coated Fox Performance suspension and alloy components from Renthal and E13 over their carbon counterparts.

YT Tues 2018 - CF Pro Race Mob Edition spec

CF Pro Race 'Mob Edition' €5499



YT Tues 2018 - CF Pro spec
CF Pro €3999

YT Tues 2018 - CF Pro Race spec
CF Pro Race €5499





I was able to hit 7-8 runs on the Losinj World Cup track the day after last weekend's race. It was brutal and forming an opinion of the Tues was close to impossible around (literally) falling off blind drops and struggling for grip on the one-minute of track that was still open to ride.

However, I opted for the XXL size which has the same 495mm reach as the Commencal Supreme V29 I have been riding comfortably on my local trails. Dropping in on the XXL Tues, I was mostly s*** scared of the track, new bike and my lack of skill so ended up riding too far off the back of the bike. I would happily ride the XL in these conditions or reduce the reach with -4mm headset cups. The XXL is probably the only downhill bike, along with the Commencal V29 and Nicolai G19, that will give riders over 6'3"/190cm a comfortable downhill ride.

Shorter riders might need to slam the saddle forwards to avoid tire buzz. My saddle height was comfortable for me, but still buzzed the tire which was also something that happened more to shorter test riders on the same day. It is nice to see a brand adding different chainstay lengths between sizes, but I think there is still a disconnect between an 85mm change in reach between sizes and only 5mm at the chainstay.

The most noticeable feature of the Tues was the drive it creates when pumping or compressing through the travel – it just wants to take off down the trail. It also flies off jumps which is going to make this one hell of a fun park bike when the lifts are open.

There isn't much else to comment on – everything seemed dialed and just did its job. The cable routing and chainstay protectors keept things quiet, and all the bike's features blended seamlessly into a subtle package. In its third iteration, the Tues seems to have nailed all the angles: sizing, geometry, price, weight, style and attention to detail. It is a bike that can be taken from the box, suspension pressured, set up tubeless, and be raced to win. I'm looking forward to getting one on the track to line up against the competition as I focus the rest of my year on testing downhill bikes.

YT Tues 2018 - Riding the Tues
YT Tues 2018 - Riding the Tues







230 Comments

  • + 231
 Must be weird having to write your opinion about a bike that won a wc race. Every criticism you can have becomes meaningless because it gwins races and hölls ass everywhere..
  • + 76
 The bike which wins the race is not necessarily the best bike.
  • + 40
 Didn't Vali Holl race the previous carbon Tues?
  • + 124
 Gwin could beat me down any track in the world on a shopper bike complete with basket and baguette though. When deciding which bike to buy you shouldn't look at what the pros win on, you should look at what would be best for you and reviews help that.
  • + 31
 @Patrick9-32: "reviews help that" hahah
  • + 5
 @Patrick9-32: check out my sweet old-school Air Jordans...
  • + 4
 @Patrick9-32: He would beat me down (and probably up) any track on a Unicycle.
  • + 6
 @Patrick9-32: pffft, that's nothing, he could beat me on an actual shopping trolley!
  • - 6
flag seanharanmtb (Apr 27, 2018 at 5:56) (Below Threshold)
 I’m pretty sure Gwin could win a World Cup on a 20” BMX bike
  • + 1
 @ilikeallwheelsizes: this one just might be though, it would look fast with no wheels
  • + 2
 @ LaurensVR
Maybe this bike win a world cup DH, but there is still no room for a water bottle...
  • + 1
 @gnralized: loving the red. Definitely looks faster than the mob edition!
  • + 16
 @ilikeallwheelsizes: in some way Gwin is a marketing nightmare. If he wins on a new rig, the bike was „good enough“ for him. If he doesn‘t, the rig wasn‘t. It‘s never the other way round.

Better you get Brook McDonald who suddenly rides way better than beford - THAT is for sure because of the bike, not vice-versa.
  • - 1
 Funny, i don't remember the WC race last week being in Lourdes....
  • + 9
 FOR 5500€ YOU GOT A WC WINNING BIKE ... WHAT THE HELL !?
  • + 14
 I think that was why Rossi quit Honda. He was expected to win. When he won, it was because of the bike. When he lost, it was his fault. Rossi doesn't roll like that, yo.
  • + 4
 @Lasse2000: excatly... When Gwin moved from Trek to Specialized, he suddenly stop winning and it took him two years to get a decent bike again. Look at the weird set up he had to run on the Specialized on the first year. Good bike makes a difference, bad bikes makes even more of a difference. No doubt, if he did not change teams in 2013, he would have probably won the next two years as well.
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: yeah, they hacksawed through a support on the stays to put more flex in the rear end for better tracking.
  • + 2
 aaron gwin could win riding a huffy...
  • + 1
 @dirch: She also holls ass.
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: Did Sam Hill make the same mistake moving to Specialized? Think his results went to toilet as well. (Disclaimer: Have nothing against big S)
  • + 3
 @martin737: excatly... what about Jared Graves? He joins specialized and he is like... i am sorry but no way i can ride your “enduro” bike for ews... I am better off with your trail/xc bike. No one think this sounds funny? Then you wonder why he has a mechanical or he crashes every other race. He is in good form as his xc results show. You can do good on an average bike, it is almost impossible to do good on a bad bike.
  • + 3
 @RedRedRe: it will be interesting to see if Graves is on the Stumpy Evo. Agree with your comments re S. It has happened to many times to be coincidence. Sam Hill is another to add to the list.
  • + 2
 @fartymarty: I don't think it's the bikes so much as the company culture. O think there's some pressure, some lack of respect for the riders or something. Perhaps they are constantly reminded how they are getting paid too much now, they are lucky to be on this team, of course they should be winning etc.
  • + 4
 Cant sue your way to the podium????
  • + 3
 @fartymarty: he said the evo isn’t probably gonna work because with a 160 fork the head angle is going to be too slack.
  • + 2
 @RedBurn: pretty awesome, gotta say. Nobody will be buying F1 cars anytime soon thats for sure
  • + 134
 Shouldn't it be the YT Weds now that it's moved on?
  • - 113
flag benhildred (Apr 27, 2018 at 3:51) (Below Threshold)
 #facepalm It’s the YT Tu es. Get on google translate, it’s not ‘Tues’ as in ‘Tuesday’
  • + 243
 FatalityBMX, it's a joke not a dick, don't take it so hard.
  • - 16
flag donpinpon29 (Apr 27, 2018 at 5:07) (Below Threshold)
 @bigburd: hahaha dont grab it so hard. It could become slippery
  • - 5
flag bigburd (Apr 27, 2018 at 5:18) (Below Threshold)
 @donpinpon29: haha, touche !
  • + 6
 6 years later Craig David and the Cure write songs about mountain bikes
  • + 3
 @fatalityBMX: Ha - I didn't know that ! All this time I thought it was the YT Tues(day)

Learn something every day !
  • + 9
 "Tu es" is German for "Do it"
  • + 4
 ... or did YT mean "Send it" ? ????
  • - 5
flag Boardlife69 (Apr 27, 2018 at 23:01) (Below Threshold)
 @bh21: I told my wife to Tues my hard dick. Been sleeping on the sofa ever since.
  • + 3
 @Boardlife69: Is it your wife or yourself who's lacking linguistic skills?
  • + 92
 Not a YT fan at all, but love that they prove that the Santa Cruz, Trek and Specializeds could put out a bike that doesn’t have a compromised build kit with crappy parts if they wanted to instead of being focused on wringing every last penny out of their customers.

If this was any of the big brands, the top end would cost 8900$ and the 6600$ “entry level” would have NX, Deoroe brakes and a Rhythm 40 a dual crown Sektor.

After years of being screwed, their customers are going elsewhere.
  • + 60
 You just listed my reasons for being a fan of YT.
  • + 5
 Have to agree with this, but nothing is free, and the cost YT is paying is there is no dealer for you to get help from. You're on your own, and when things hit the fan there still is a lot of value in having a dealer there for you.
  • + 6
 @Nathan6209: Fair point and a reason I deliberated for so long before buying the new Capra 29er. I think some manufacturers are getting better at dealing directly with consumers. I've already had an issue with my e13 cassette and e13 responded quickly and are helping me out. YT is also very responsive to questions and at this point seem willing to help in any way possible.

I think if you are someone who isn't mechanical or willing to spend the time on the bike, this becomes a bigger issue where those cost savings will diminish as you bring your bike for service to a bike shop. Bike shops will be fine (perhaps even better off) so long as they have in-stock parts and great mechanics. The ones who rely on new bike sales are the ones who will be hurt most.

In the end, I see it as an inevitable shift in the way we consume and riders are the ones who will benefit from this level of competition among manufacturers.
  • + 15
 @Nathan6209: is dealer support really worth paying 30-100% more? 100% being a V10CC with SC Reserve wheels vs. the Tues Pro Race, it's double the cost! There is no excuse for that BS. You still have warranty support with YT. Yeah, it's not as convenient as rolling the bike into a shop but frames are pretty reliable these days and warranty parts can be shipped pretty quickly.
  • + 8
 @Nathan6209: on the down side is the guy I know who bent a pivot bolt on his month old Commencal Meta SX. Took them two weeks to get back to him, another week and half to ship the bolt out and then another week for it to arrive.

On the other hand, when was the last time a bike shop actually worked with you on DH bike? In my experience it's "we can order that for you" and "you ride DH, you know how to set this up". Most of the time they don't even have extra coils and you are going out the door with what it came with. Is it too much to ask for my butt to be kissed a little when I'm dropping six stacks on a bike?

I expect my YT to need assembly and I expect to wait for replacement parts. I know that going in. When my Demo creaks and the shop has to order a different wait coil for me it is not expected and leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
  • + 2
 @gramboh: Plus, many bike shops will give you the BS answer of not warrantying a bike or parts on your bike that you didn't buy from their shop.

Still loving my 27.5 Jeffsy and all its awesomeness - for the bargain price of $2,000.
  • + 1
 @gramboh: It's getting messed up out there these days. Shops aren't really to blame. It's the bike companies and distributors that are the f*cking rake.

@Poulsbojohnny: I see distributors getting all pissy that a person was able to use modern tech and buy something for likely their cost from elsewhere and as a result not granting warranty.
  • + 3
 @gonecoastal: I think it's more to do with the old sales model of brand/manufacturer/distributor/retailer.
Everyone is in it to win it. We've all got kids to feed and mortgages to pay. Hell, I don't work for free. One cannot expect anyone else to either. The market will set the price of bikes, and at the moment the marketplace is changing and the prices are adjusting. I think the distributors are the ones who we don't need, to be honest. We get a better experience if we buy at anytime we perceive as cheap direct from the brand, and if we need parts or work doing we go to a shop. We can hold the new parts before we decide what to buy, there is an expert on hand to offer advice, and by cutting out the distributor the prices come down. Consumers aren't the only ones who can order off the net. Shops should be doing it too, direct from manufacturers overseas. Why do we need distributors any more? Decent shops can keep their profits up by offering servicing on suspension parts. That ain't cheap, yo.
  • + 73
 Still no bottlecage- yt will never learn
  • + 133
 unacceptable for a Cross-Country weapon like this!
  • + 4
 You still need to drink even when your chain less
  • + 22
 GWIN does not need a water bottle. He goes so fast that the water in the air condenses in his mouth
  • - 3
 YT bikes are so fast, the bottle cages become invisible!
  • + 1
 you could put one on the top side of the top tube, I think the seat post is high enough
  • + 39
 "The internal cable routing has been angled upwards and optimized to clear race number boards" --> nobel prize stuff right there !
  • - 15
flag RedBurn (Apr 27, 2018 at 7:02) (Below Threshold)
 YT does not do the details
  • + 31
 you cant talking about something as awesome as that chain hook thing on the dropout for easy wheel removal and then not show it in use!
  • + 26
 I just want to know about Gwin's list of bikes that look kooky when sitting into the travel.
  • + 2
 wondering the same
  • + 25
 Holy Testicle Tuesday! I bet it climbs like a goat, but really shines when pointed down.
  • + 4
 if it climb like a goat, they would named that goat. oh, wait Wink
  • + 5
 Its like a mountain lion did some cocaine and decided to go run down a mountain.
  • + 4
 Sometimes, you just gotta lick the stamp and send it.
  • + 0
 it climbs like a capra
  • + 0
 Gwin ate the goat for breakfast, got the win at lunch!
  • + 2
 How good is Danny Ric? Good to see he has a heap of fans out there.
  • + 23
 BOOOOOOM. I've been sat waiting for this for months. ORDERED. Damn I'm excited.
  • + 12
 I'd like to add to this that I ordered the wrong size, and YT's customer care helped me sort it out within the hour. Couldn't say that a few years ago.
  • + 22
 @jamesdunford: haha.... waiting for months, orders the wrong size. Dum dum.
  • + 6
 Much fail.
  • + 21
 thank god! a 27.5! There's still hope
  • - 5
flag RedBurn (Apr 27, 2018 at 7:03) (Below Threshold)
 I predict a 29” version coming for Fort William
  • + 7
 @RedBurn: gwin don't need 29ers to win.
  • + 1
 @treekilla: i know i know but i dont see YT missing that market just because gwin still wins on 650B
  • + 7
 @treekilla: apparently he doesn't need tires or chain either. doesn't mean mere mortals shouldn't use those.
  • + 4
 @RedBurn: They care about making a better bike, hence why no 29er.
  • + 2
 @treekilla: He'll do it with correct grammar alone!
  • - 3
 @raditude: says the man who makes no sense himself!
  • + 1
 @treekilla: Says "the man". I'm flattered.
  • + 3
 @RedBurn: I think there might be a point this season in which he rides the Capra 29 with a dual crown for one race or so.
  • + 2
 @RedBurn:
Imho there being a relevant market (relative to 650B) for 29" downhill bikes is something that still stands to be proven.
Yes there´s people proclaiming how they would totally buy one, but how many of those will go out there and actually guinea pig the first production run?
Commencal are the only ones who did not come out with only a limited number run of frames so far. Trek and Intense are small numbers only afaik. So i think most manufacturers are still testing the waters and are not yet fully committed, which makes sense really, since they cannot simply force 29ers on us like they did with 650B because there are actual physical limitations to the wheels and also for some people (height being the most prevalent one) when it comes to 29er bikes.
I´m not saying 29ers don´t make sense for some people, but since the dh-bike market is already pretty small, dividing their product portfolio into two options may cause more problems than good for some manufacturers.
I guess YT simply decided it´s not worth to split their focus and just let other manufacturers have those few and far between 29er sales for now. It´s not like those 650B Tues will rot in some warehouse just because others are selling 29ers. They can jump on the 29er bandwagon any time they want and as long as their 650B bike keeps beating all those 29ers, i guess it´s a rather wise tactic for them.
This makes all the more sense as MTB, and DH in particular, are rather volatile markets that seem to rather benefit those who adapt to changes compared to those who precipitate them.
  • + 1
 @RedBurn: Running big wheels could definitely be an advantage for some tracks, but it could also throw off a racers form getting used to big wheels.
  • + 1
 @raditude: sorry I assumed your gender. What are you again?
  • + 11
 Good job YT for updating a bike that's still relatively young. Shows their commitment to DH despite the growth of the enduro AM segment. Why won't Spez, Trek, Giant and SC update their "regular" DH bikes? I know they don't sell enough to make up on the RnD cost but the tech will surely trickle down on the trail bikes too right?
  • + 10
 Yeah I think the YT updates here are pretty well thought out in a sales perspective. New enough to attract buyers, but not so different as to upset current owners of the Mk II
  • + 19
 All those people that were buying Spec/Giant/SC/Trek are buying YT and Commencal.

The builds are that much better and people don’t see the reason so spend an extra 2500$ on the big brands bikes.

Sales go down, redesigns get pushed back, sales continue to go down, maybe there isn’t a next generation. DH continues to die.

Who would have thought that the market for DH bikes, which are second bikes and toys used a few times a month is sensitive to price....

I’m not a YT fan at all, but they are killing it and the big companies are sleeping. All those people that bought YT DH bikes now have YT trail bikes this year.
  • + 2
 @wibblywobbly: so you're saying people are buying YT's and Comm's which are cheaper than DH bikes ever were, and state that DH continues to die because people are not buying SC's and Speshes and Treks
Are you drunk?
If DH is dying thats solely because big suspension trail bikes render them useless for anything but racing. Hell, even SC categorises new Nomad as "Trail & Freeride" bike
  • + 5
 @strasznyzbigniew: fewer companies making full on DH bikes and fewer companies invested in DH is not good for DH, no matter how many YT's they sell.
  • + 2
 Trek and Santa Cruz came out with new DH bikes last season, in both 27.5 and 29. Kona Operator was new for 2017, and they came out with another new one for 2018 in 27.5 and 29.

Send to me it's YT that isn't really keeping up. Yes, Gwin probably doesn't want to race a 29, that doesn't mean they shouldn't sell one alongside the 27.5 like others are doing. I mean come on, they haven't even brought an alloy Tues with the new carbon one. At this point the Tues is just an exercise in selling Gwin's products (brakes, tires, grips etc).
  • + 1
 @wibblywobbly: Have you or anyone else ridden a high pivot bike? I was leaning towards the commencal, but man this new Tues is hot.
  • + 1
 @wibblywobbly: new YT, new Kona, new Intense, new Norco I think? new Scott around corner, new Boxxer. Did I miss anything? Ah, the bike that event dentists can't afford: Unno.
I could not name a single bike manufacturer that withdraw their DH bike from line up.
Relax, enjoy and go ride your f***** bike Wink
  • + 1
 @wibblywobbly: I actually agree with you. Not many b2b-only brands have developed their DH bike beyond adding 20mm to the wheel size in the last 5 years or so. Most of the genuinely-new DH bikes are coming from b2c brands like YT, Intense and Commencal
  • + 5
 What I don't get is the fact that dh bikes are designed to go fast down hill. Yet enduro and trail bikes have a longer reach for the same sized frames. Will someone please explain why that is?
  • - 8
flag BenPea (Apr 27, 2018 at 5:39) (Below Threshold)
 Because it's really only better to have a super long reach when going uphill. Manufacturers have been looking for the sweet spot recently by going longer with all bikes, be they trail or DH. It just so happens that the sweet spot is shorter for DH, since the climbing component doesn't come into it. Also, when climbing, the fashion for shorter chainstays means you have to compensate with a longer front end, so you don't find yourself wheeleeing up the hill all the time. Again, this isn't an issue in DH. This may coincide with the demise of "dropper" forks. Set me straight if necessary.
  • + 3
 Yeah I noticed that as well...maybe longer isnt really faster?
  • + 6
 I'm not entirely sure, but if you compare the geometry of a size large Capra 27.5 and a large Tues the reach is 8mm shorter on the Tues but the wheelbase is 33mm longer, as a result of longer chainstays and a slacker head-angle and longer fork. It might be that there is enough stability with the chainstay length, head-angle and suspension that they don't need the reach to be as long and can therefore avoid lengthening the wheelbase unnecessarily.
  • + 4
 @BenPea: in fact it is a little more complicated. Reach is not a dimension that matters so much but a byproduct of wheelbase, chainstays and HA dimensioning. Reach growths recently in the Trail to Enduro bikes categories to compensate for increase in wheelbase length and shorter stems (remember stems were 100 to 70mm not so long ago) with an almost ubiquitous 66 deg HA (+– 1 deg).
The dimension that really matters is the wheelbase and the rider position relative to front and rear axles. On a DH bike rider position must be slightly skewed toward rear end, wheelbase must be long enough for stability, and headtube angle must be slack enough. If you want a 1220 mm wheelbase and a 435 mm chainstays, as well as a 63.5 HA you cannot get a lot more reach.
  • - 2
 A longer reach compensates for shorter chainstays by helping to increase wheelbase and provide stability. Shorter chainstays make getting around tight turns easier. DH bikes don't typically go through such tight turns, so chainstays are longer to provide stability and the shorter reach is good for getting your butt further off the back of the bike for steep sections.
  • + 4
 Riding my trail bike (Hightower, 475mm reach XL) down a super technical -40% trail in my area made me realize the place for shorter reaches - the longer the reach, the harder it is to get really far back over your rear wheel when you need to. It's not just for uphill - unreasonably long reaches might be nice for "normal" trails, but when things really get hairy steep and techy, you want to really be able to get dat ass back faaaaaar in relationship to your bb.
  • + 2
 The longer reach is partially a way to lengthen the wheelbase. A longer wheelbase is more stable at high speeds. A DH bike has a slacker HTA with a much longer fork, creating that long wheelbase without having to have as long a top tube. Longer top tubes help on the steeps up to a point, but once things get REALLY gnarly it can make it too hard to ride off the back (like Aston mentioned about Val Di Solei).
  • + 2
 The waters have become quite muddied lately with lots of varying opinions and ideas regarding reach etc.
One thing is clear to me - dh bikes have pretty much always been shorter than trail bikes in the reach. In my mind the idea is to keep a reasonable wheelbase and as said above to do that with the slack head angle and often longer chainstays of a dh bike means shortening the front-centre by shortening the reach. The shorter reach may also allow the rider to be more dynamic.
Conversely if you want your trail bike to have a similar feeling wheelbase to your dh bike then you’ll need a longer reach.
How much is by design, coincidence, etc? I dunno.

On a personal level I know I can get enough weight on the front end to corner confidently on my current trail bike. If I could morph the thing into a dh bike by slackening the head angle 4° the front wheel would be too far away for me and I’d lose that confidence in the corners (though maybe gain some elsewhere, but any bike can go fast in a straight line, I digress) so what I’d do is slacken the head angle (better for steeps) and then reduce the reach/ front centre to bring that wheel back in and under my weight and control. I’d switch to a longer stem too.
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 They have a larger stack height. The distance between the pedals and handlebars is larger on a DH bike with the same reach.
There are other factors, the slacker HA and longer fork requires you to be able to be more forward then a trail/enduro bike to get the weight on the front wheel. Also too stretched and the range of movement starts to decrease which is needed for body language over obstacles.
  • + 1
 @Tristanssid: good point, stack is often overlooked but my medium trail bike is roughly 600mm and the dh bike 615mm. It isn’t a huge difference imo. I’m not convinced that’s the reason we see shorter reaches on dh bikes. But hey, I’m not a bike designer (at least not in the real life).
  • + 1
 Ignore above. I agree with everything you said
  • + 2
 @Tristanssid: If compare the Capra to the Tues the stack is pretty much the same size for size.
  • + 1
 @gnralized: So was my mistake mentioning the U word, or was it all complete rubbish? Riding further off the back goes without saying for DH I think, but perhaps not this time....
  • + 1
 @BenPea: reach is relative to torso length, period. end. stop. I would love to demo a YT tues to be proven wrong, but I have a long torso and short inseam so the reach numbers appear that the properly sized bike would feel tiny to me. People with a short torso likely love this bike.

Why does nobody talk about torso length when it comes to bike sizing?
  • + 1
 For the sake of discussion, would someone like to say why they disagree with me?
  • + 1
 @friendlyfoe: because nobody cares.
  • + 1
 @friendlyfoe: oh and reach isn’t relative only to torso length. That too. Absolutist theories regarding bike fit don’t work for mtb (I don’t even believe they work for road bikes) especially when you’re talking about the furthest thing from a road bike In. The. World.
  • + 1
 @wpplayer18: You are officially 8 times less wrong than me, so quit while you're ahead...
@ThomDawson: Yep, not an exact science by any means. Sometimes it feels right because it does. How many people happily ride sizes that don't seem to make sense for them? A black and white explanation is inevitably wrong.
  • + 4
 @paulaston I think you guys should interview Sam Blenkinsop. Last season he was far away from the podium, and the last race he got third. This might not mean anything, but it might be.

Do you think you or other PinkBike staff could ask him whether it was the bike or him or both that helped him through this race? By "him" I mean did he do any extra or new training over the off season. And by bike, did the 29er and new design help? Thanks.
  • + 3
 The Aurum was just terrible. The whole team suffered from it. Look at the difference in all 3 of them on the new bike, doesn't lie.
  • + 4
 Pricing is extremely reasonable compared to the competition. Spec is killer. They even look alright, which is hard to do with downhill bikes. And you could say the same about any bike in YT's lineup. I've ridden a ton of bikes from most major manufacturers and frankly, I can't come up with good reasons for why they cost what they cost when a YT, Commencal, or Canyon is as good or better while being much less expensive.

Oh? Specialized and Trek makes faster bikes? Willing to bet Gwin would disagree with that.
  • + 3
 Looks like they changed their sizing chart recommendations, too. Now the large is for 5’ 7”-6’ while the size chart on the AL bike has large at 5’ 10”-6’ 4”, even though the reach and wheelbase numbers have grown on the new one. Interesting
  • + 6
 Descends like a downhill bike
  • + 2
 Gah I hate when reviewers say "I chose the XXL model and it was too big" well WHO THE HELL KNOWS HOW TALL YOU ARE? Before mentioning frame size, please include comments like "for my 6'1" lankiness, I chose the XL frame size for it's 480mm reach" or something to that extent.
  • + 2
 "In its third iteration, the Tues seems to have nailed all the angles: sizing, geometry, price, weight, style and attention to detail. "

Its the fourth version of the Tues:
Tues
Tues 2.0
Tues CF / Tues AL
Tues 2018
  • + 2
 Funny that they requested the bolts to be servicable from one side and then decided to put them on the opposite side of the drivetrain where you spend quite a bit of time working on.... or did I miss something?
  • + 3
 You can't get the main pivot bolt out on the right when the crank is in the way.
  • + 1
 But is it pronounced “too-ezzz” or “toooz”. Still confused on this front. I’m leaning to the latter. “And here comes Gwin screaming through the rock garden with something to prove. LOOK AT THE TIME OF THAT TOOOOZ!”
  • + 8
 As a German I can tell you that it’s called too ezzz. If you separate tues into “tu es” it means “do it”. That’s what they went for. Thinking about buying one? Wanna hit that jump? Wanna race a dh race for the first time? Tu es! Do it!
  • + 4
 to-ez.
  • + 4
 @drjohn: @drjohn: Tu-es is "do it" in German, but YT is "Young Talent." Why is the bike not Doit? Why is the company not JT for "Junges Talent?" The things I ask myself.
  • + 2
 @TheR: To further deepen your conundrum, tu es is also "you are" in french. So, were they going for a Nike rip-off or for deep an philosophical?
  • + 1
 @EngineNr9: How do you pronounce that in French?
  • + 1
 @TheR: roughly, "two i", pronounce the i like in the English word "it"
  • + 1
 @BenPea: So that makes three ways to pronounce the name of this bike, potentially. That sound you're hearing is our collective brains exploding.
  • + 2
 @TheR: the French way sounds shit to be honest. Especially if you pronounce YT the French way too ("Eegreck tay"). So let's call it two. One for each of my surviving brain cells. Mind rescued.
  • + 1
 @TheR: tew hay
  • + 1
 @mollow: this is why even people in the know refer to it as the Tuesday
  • + 1
 "The main difference is 15% increase in the anti-rise figure which means the suspension will be less active under braking but should do a better job of preserving the bike's dynamic geometry. This a benefit that'll give amateur riders a feeling of safety where the pros are so accurate with line choice and braking points"

Okay I got it, we've (amateur connsumers) git a pretty darn good geo and suspension and Gwinny has some extra 15% to speed, just in case he lost his brakes or chain. Well done and thanks Aaron for not going into 29" Wink
  • + 3
 Really bummed to have missed that World Cup in Lourdes last weekend. I make a priority in life to watch all World Cup, but somehow this one under my radar.
  • + 3
 Was in Croatia, not Lourdes.
  • + 4
 First sentence of the article says it happened in Lourdes...
  • + 6
 @MTB-Colada: I know. As @basmajor mentioned, the article was talking about the Lourdes World Cup last week (now corrected in the text).

I was just trying to be a smartass... Smile
  • + 1
 I appreciate this will upset some but I struggle with the YT pricing structure... Taking the Pro model at current exchange rates, 3,999 EUR = 4,830 USD and 3,999 USD = 3,315 EUR. Given that YT is a European brand, it looks like they're taking their home market for granted in favour of growth in the US.
  • + 13
 The US price is without VAT and the EU is including 19% (German) VAT.
  • + 6
 Ahem... TAXES!!!!!! as with every single flipping review which has both prices and someone makes this same dumb comment.

The US prices do not include sales tax, the EU prices include VAT. €3315 *1.2 = €3978. The pricing is almost identical.
  • - 6
flag 40myles (Apr 27, 2018 at 4:13) (Below Threshold)
 @mikaeljc: Showing as $3,999 + shipping on the US website. No sign of additional taxes to be paid...
  • + 4
 @40myles: US prices never include state sales tax. Even on the shelves of the shops the pricing is not the same as you pay at the till. The sales tax is calculated at the point of payment, its dumb but that's how the US system works.
  • + 5
 @40myles: They can´t put in VAT for US since it is different from state to state.
  • + 4
 @mikaeljc: even dumber than that, places like New York (the state) it varies from town to town.
  • + 1
 @Patrick9-32: No sales tax here in New Hampshire baby!
  • + 2
 @mikaeljc: despite the Euro using countries europe having more different sales tax rates than the US, they seem to manage it.
  • + 2
 Californians pay around 8.5% tax about the listed retail price since they moved here from Nevada. The other 49 states don't.
  • + 5
 Our provincial tax is very simple. No tax on bicycles or parts. But there is tax on chain lube and patch kits. Theres also tax on shoes and clothing unless it has reflective bits. Tax also changes depending on wheel size. Spokey-dokes - tax free. So are lights. So is everything if you buy it for a kid. And everything is also tax free if you buy it all together w a complete bike. then theres federal tax, and possibly duty if its being shipped from another country. Its quite straightforward.
  • + 5
 I wonder if they will update the aluminum version as well with the new geo
  • + 4
 It was only Gwin, Suarez and Mulally one the new YT chasis. Still its awesome the Vali won!!
  • + 1
 I don't really see how any privateer racer looking for a DH bike could buy a bike other than a YT TUES. I'm sure that will rub people the wrong way but they're not a genie in a bottle, baby.
  • + 4
 Doesn't look like a session!
  • + 1
 If an XXL is SO HUGE, how come Twin is riding an XL??? Last I looked he was distinctly average sized... Hmmm? Because big bikes are not ever big enough for us tall guys, that's why.
  • + 1
 OHMAHGERD they raised the BB (almost, sort of). The end of the "lower" battle in the longer/lower/slacker war? Exciting stuff.
  • + 2
 "as I focus the rest of my year on testing downhill bikes." Good man @paulaston.
  • + 2
 Wasn't Vali Holl racing on the newly released re-painted one with the new logos rather than the brand new redesigned one?
  • + 2
 The amount of thinking and consideration that went into this bike is humbling and impressive.
  • + 2
 Gorgeous bike... does anyone know when the odi number board will be available to the public?
  • + 2
 One day they'll name it the GWIN you mark my words.
  • + 1
 I don't ride a DH bike but I almost want to buy one just to Support YT for making a XXL !!!
  • + 2
 Paul, any comparison to the Sender??
  • - 1
 After years and years of insisting taller riders are fine on their previous ‘L’ frame with rediculously small numbers. Gone back kn their sizing persistance all of a sudden! #latetotheparty
  • + 2
 @fatalityBMX

Perhaps late to the party, but running the keg now that they're here!
  • + 2
 so sick that they sell it as a framekit as well????????
  • + 1
 Yes!
On the other hand I calculat roughly with CHF 3'000.00 in (new) parts, so I come close to the price of the top version. Actually, with the new Fox 40 it's almost 4'000.00.
  • + 1
 @mtb-journal: and the frame kit is not available in that choice red/red colour
  • + 1
 I don’t remember there being that many rocks or an urban section at Lourdes.
  • + 1
 +10% in pricing (at least for the top range)
  • + 1
 No more aluminum Tues? Said!
  • + 2
 No alu option kits?
  • + 1
 I've never been a big fan of YT graphics. I am now!
  • + 1
 Interestingly they specced the ag1 grip over the ag2 grip
  • + 1
 Surplus inventory...
  • + 1
 Glad I bought one of the old ones last month...lol WTF
  • + 1
 In the same boat here. I actually like the previous colors (I got the black/grey) better though and think these improvements are pretty minor. I don't think any of these will really affect how the bike rides that noticeably. They are nice details though and it's great to see them feedback from mechanics etc. to make them.
  • + 2
 Same boat. They cleared their 2017 attic stock and masked them as 2018’s at full price.

#metoo
  • + 1
 they are on the Yt website already. Looking good.
  • + 1
 I can't help but call this bike a "Tuesday", anybody else?
  • + 2
 I can't Do It.
  • + 1
 Wonder if it’s any less stiff without the brace on the upper link...
  • + 2
 Looks like a bicycle
  • + 1
 So if I ride this Tuesday, what do I ride the rest of the week?
  • + 1
 Surly Wednesday for one.
  • + 1
 Well, Friday is covered, but probably won't perform so well downhil...
www.bikefriday.com/folding-bikes
  • + 1
 Bulldog's Mondayker is free for the next few weeks.
  • + 1
 That thing is looooooonnnnngggg...
  • + 7
 Thats what she said
  • + 7
 @AMGoran: ...as she measured the floor for a new carpet.
  • + 1
 Such a nice Tues version.
  • + 1
 So damn nice Drool
  • + 1
 dynamic!!!
  • + 0
 Would like it even more if the paint job didn't reflect the American flag.
  • + 5
 There we go! I knew I would find a Canadian sh@#$tting on the red, white and blue color scheme somewhere! Thank you so much for not disappointing me. Sorry the colors trigger you, little brother up north! Maybe you can think of it as a French, Dutch, or better yet, British flag, and it won't bother you as much, you know, as a subject of the Queen.
  • + 1
 Marketing
  • + 0
 I woke up and got a hard on when I saw the new YT Tues this morning.
  • + 1
 No alum version ?
  • + 0
 Press fit BB? That sucks.
  • + 1
 damn right
  • + 1
 If DH bike, would this.
  • + 0
 29er plz!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 0
 head set sucks
  • - 3
 Would be cool to get a review from someone who wasn't self confessed "shitting themselves" while riding it as it was intended.
  • + 5
 I think quite a few WC racers were shitting themselves on that track. Especially on day 1.
  • + 0
 @brianpark: But everyone said it was flat and boring, how could that be?!?!one
  • + 7
 It's not a review, it is a First Look. I did qualify at one world cup years ago (Schladming), but turning up to Losinj being ill, being on a brand new bike, and dropping straight into such a gnarly track was tough. Especially after the racers spent four days beating it up and polishing the rocks for me...

I'll be reviewing one fully in the future on tracks that I am capable of riding.
  • + 0
 @paulaston:

My focus was more on the fact that everyone said it was a boring, flat, short, and generally uninteresting race track. The fact that our have some background and still had trouble kinda emphasises that point.
  • - 3
 Let’s speed up the 29” version...and for god sakes, improve your inventory forecasting so you have product for people to buy when bike season starts each season.
  • - 1
 Not a 29er - Insert angry face here-
  • + 2
 Fake wheels
  • - 1
 It really is surprising given Gwins past comments about how he prefers 29ers and thinks they are faster.
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: He is one of us then! Says what he wants and what is best but rides a short, long travel bike with small wheels. Next thing you know he runs a negative angleset!
  • + 1
 Raise the bb????
  • + 0
 Losinj...
  • + 0
 Looks......
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