Pinarello Releases New Dogma XC Hardtail

Aug 10, 2023 at 10:21
by Dario DiGiulio  
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Known for their boldly designed road bikes, Pinarello has been dipping their Italian toes in the mountain bike waters recently. The most recent result of those explorations is the Dogma XC, a truly out-there carbon cross-country race hardtail that might just serve as the ultimate antithesis to the consistently narrowing aesthetic most mountain bikes fall into. Dogma, be it religious, scientific, or otherwise, often makes for a close-minded outlook on things - in the case of the Pinarello Dogma, I'll at give them some points for bucking that trend.
Pinarello Dogma XC
• Carbon fiber frame
• 29" wheels
• 100mm fork
• 30.9 seatpost, dropper routing
• 40t chainring max
• Boost spacing
• 160mm flat mount rear brake
• Max tire size: 2.3"

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One-piece bar/stem combo to keep the look consistent.
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Asymmetry for "more balanced energy transfer, improved speed and traction."

There is no published geometry for the new Dogma, but based on the look of things it's safe to assume the majority of the chart will be within the standard realm for most traditional XC hardtails. Short wheelbase, low stack, and angles meant for quick handling and flat pedaling are probably present between all those organic swoops and bumps.

Pinarello has implemented SRAM's UDH, allowing the use of new Transmission groups. There appears to be a threaded hole above the chainring, which I'd assume is meant for a chainguide, as they made a point to call out the frame's 1x-only configuration.

You can run two bottles in the front triangle, and that little triangle right above the bottom bracket might just be big enough to make a tiny little framebag that you can keep some gummy bears in.

Though there are no published frame weights, they did point out the integrated through-headset cable routing, featuring a specific headset bearing that utilizes an internal stopper at 60° to prevent the handlebar from over-rotating.

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Replete with INEOS Grenadiers graphics, ready for the World Champs stage.

The Dogma XC will be raced under Pauline Ferrand-Prévot and Tom Pidcock at this week's short track and Olympic events in Scotland. They should be fast enough to squash any teasing that may occur due to a certain bike's aesthetic choices.



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179 Comments
  • 538 2
 Bonus points for the shimano sticker on the chain stay right in the middle of the sram drivetrain.
  • 14 0
 They slammed on the brakes, to get the sticker placement straight.
  • 22 0
 The Ineos team bikes all have Shimano XTR groupsets as well as SR Suntour suspension, so it makes you wonder why they include the Ineos and Greanadier logos on this frame along with SRAM goupset and Fox suspension.
  • 5 0
 @billreilly: Pinarello marketing guys be like "I barley put everything available as a complete bike."
  • 4 4
 Huge speculation: maybe we will finally see a fully wireless drivetrain from shimano to rival sram and they had to quickly remove it from the bike before taking the photo and just slapped a sram one on there instead...
  • 6 0
 That + the color scheme and shape makes it look like something you'd buy off bikes direct
  • 1 0
 The Shimano sticker is referring to the rotors only......
  • 2 1
 @hexhamstu: Nope. Calipers and master cylinders are also Shimano. IYKYK.
  • 3 0
 But they got that right. The best component Shimano has ever made (the Deore XT shark fin comes second)
  • 209 12
 Wow, that thing is hideous.
  • 43 5
 You have self-identified as a mountain biker with good taste. But the roadies are likely stoked!
  • 55 1
 Lots of unnecessary tubes with weird offsets that serve no actual function? Yep, pure Pinarello...
  • 13 1
 Plus am I seeing 7 mounting points on the downtube and zero on the seat tube? Engineers were clearly on acid.
  • 2 1
 @Drew-O: Maybe the dog hump top tube is there so you can get 2 full water bottles on the downtube.
  • 6 0
 @salespunk: There is a function. It’s to identify the frame as a Pinarello from a distance. I’ve always thought that with a carbon frame designers use layups to create the stiffness or compliance desired. Funky shapes do nothing but make a bike look unique.
  • 2 1
 When frames try and match the fox orange
  • 2 5
 Weird frame but there's something about it that I kind of like lol. Pinarello always has to be different.
  • 12 19
flag scott-townes (Aug 10, 2023 at 18:06) (Below Threshold)
 I'm so happy I don't ride with anyone that cares this much about how a piece of equipment looks. Its sad how people care more about how they look than riding nowadays. Welp, gotta look good for your Strava KOM times and profiles, I guess. LOLOL
  • 9 1
 how to make you riders go faster = put them on a bike that they don't want to be seen on.
  • 2 0
 In person much less hideous, but nothing special.
  • 3 0
 @Drew-O: arent we all? mtb is 50% riding 40% arguing gear 10% schedule I drugs
  • 1 0
 @garrettstories: "You have self-identified as a mountain biker" IFTFY
  • 1 0
 @vemegen: haha. Definitely.
  • 1 0
 At first glance it reminded me of a 29er from 2013
  • 2 0
 can I use the frame to stir my coffee?
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: Sorry, engi... what?
  • 2 0
 At least it doesn't have those wavy forks like their (equally hideous) road bikes.
  • 96 1
 Maybe it's the name, but the overall silhouette made me immediately think of a dog hunching out a steamer. Can't unsee.
  • 4 0
 Me too. Like a squatting dog.
  • 17 0
 Should be called Dogmab. Dog making ass biscuits.
  • 2 0
 That's legit funny! You're right. Can't unsee the shitting dog(ma) now LOL
  • 1 0
 Same. Came here to post this exact thought
  • 3 0
 Crouching Puppy - Hidden Dragon
  • 91 10
 Is this what cancer looks like?
  • 42 3
 This one is terminal
  • 22 2
 You have deeply offended cancer.
  • 64 1
 Can we unrelease this
  • 2 21
flag jrocksdh (Aug 10, 2023 at 14:56) (Below Threshold)
 And anything orange.
  • 55 1
 Now we know where Tony Ellsworth has been...
  • 8 3
 Nah, as ugly as this thing is, Ellsworth's were/are MUCH more hedious. Big Grin
  • 4 0
 @bman33: There was a time when Ellsworths were right on trend! It lasted a couple of years and we've had to suffer ever since.
  • 3 0
 @thingswelike: I'm late 40s and was around when Ellsworth first came out. I work with a custom wheel builder who supplied for the Rockshox Devo team. Every single one I ever saw a cracked, all of them. And even though it was popular for a split second, they still have that old English logo which was yuck.
  • 51 0
 Are left turns more compliant than right turns with those seat stays?
  • 47 0
 Bro, do you even NASCAR?
  • 7 0
 @AppleJack76: flag checks out
  • 3 0
 That's the reason Pidcock kept it upright drifting into the last turn of the XCC race! Canyon's just don't right turn as well...
  • 34 1
 early 2000s geometry + UDH
  • 10 1
 And flat mount rear brake! Wtf.
  • 5 0
 2015 Specialized: lets create MTB with most ridiculous parts and custom standards whereve possible
2023 Pinarello: hold my beer
  • 4 0
 @eh-steve: It's because of those seat stays - they couldn't run V-brakes.
  • 31 2
 The Quasimodo of mountain bikes.

I thought Italians were supposed to be good at styling?!
  • 7 0
 Proudly baked and assembled in Chernobyl.
  • 2 0
 It's clearly focused on roadies still in denial of wanting to mountainbike
  • 30 3
 I'd laugh about the Supercaliber being an ugly joke, but then this pops up...
  • 7 0
 What?! The rusty trombone looks great.
  • 21 1
 I love how is says "Shiamno" on the chain stay, but is running the top tier SRAM XX T-Type Groupset.
  • 11 0
 I think it's spelled "Sham-wow"
  • 2 0
 first thing I noticed too. thats odd.
  • 3 0
 The Ineos team bikes all have Shimano XTR groupsets as well as SR Suntour suspension, so it makes you wonder why they include the Ineos and Greanadier logos on this frame along with SRAM goupset and Fox suspension.
  • 2 0
 @gtill9000: Shamone
  • 19 0
 Quick, somebody call @bicyclepubes!
  • 12 0
 Props to @dariodigiulio for the #tinyf**ckinframebag reference!
  • 5 0
 Project Shitbike now sold as a complete bike.
  • 17 2
 I've just been transported to 2007, and it's still ugly. That said live by NYC and I bet I'll see one going down the bike path at some point because Pinarello.
  • 8 0
 Des anyone make fixie hubs in boost spacing?
  • 3 0
 @sjma: Paul does or just use a 6-bolt cog on any hub.
  • 1 0
 @sjma: nonplus components makes fixed boost hubs
  • 15 0
 Imbarazzante
  • 11 1
 The right seatstay looks like what happens in middle school projects where something breaks and you don't have time to get a replacement so just go with a good enough fix.
  • 10 5
 A Italian xc bike like this was bound to get crucified on here. I kind of like it- there’s gotta be a market for bikes that don’t look like your every day Big S. Its kind of like a Ducati for me- probably wouldn’t buy one but they look sick. I would totally ride this thing all the way to Olive Garden
  • 6 3
 Yeah except most people don't think Ducatis are ugly, and they generally are best in class or up there. The streetfighter v4s? Like... this doesn't compare to that in any way.
  • 9 0
 @litany: in any way? Well they are both Italian companies. And I would ride either one all the way to Olive Garden. So there’s 2 ways right there for you bud
  • 2 5
 @KickouThe-Jams: Olive Garden is an American chain, headquartered in Florida. No self-respecting Italian has ever eaten there.
  • 4 3
 @fentoncrackshell: *whoosh*
  • 7 0
 Well, it already won the world title in today's race, so it's probably not a bad bike Smile (but I guess PFP would win on any bike today haha)
  • 8 0
 Some doctor/dentist somewhere……”YES!!!”
  • 5 0
 That tiny little triangle above the bottom bracket is actually to carry the poop bags for the “dog hunching out a steamer”.
  • 4 1
 Can someone explain to me what headset routing and "knock block" has to do with frame weight?

"Though there are no published frame weights, they did point out the integrated through-headset cable routing, featuring a specific headset bearing that utilizes an internal stopper at 60° to prevent the handlebar from over-rotating."
  • 13 0
 Next you'll tell me you don't know what spurving bearings in a direct line with the pentametric fans have to do with side fumbling
  • 5 0
 I think this is some insight into how they conversations with Pinarello went.

Dario: So what can you tell us about how much the frame weighs?
Pinny Rep: We’ll it has headset cable routing and the asymmetry goes to 11
  • 1 0
 @freestyIAM: SideFumbling? We all know how that is perscribed by Reach modifiers being trunion shape!
  • 7 0
 Nuke it from orbit.

It’s the only way to be sure.
  • 5 1
 I was just about to make the decision riding for ineos next season...but nope...not on this bike!! I think I remain a privateer.
  • 7 1
 From AliExpress straight to the paint shop? Wink
  • 2 0
 From former pure road bike brands, trying to get a piece of the MTB cacke, I prefer the Factor Lando over this hideous thing
www.pinkbike.com/news/factor-bikes-enters-the-mountain-bike-market-lando-xc-ht-2022.html

But since I am not an XC guy....ah well.
  • 1 1
 You like a FS over a HT, no kidding.
  • 1 0
 @SLBIKES: There is a HT version of that bike if you scroll down in the article Wink
  • 4 0
 2.3 max tire clearance on a hard tail? Perfect for asphalt and XC courses entirely made with machine built flow.
  • 6 0
 Well, yes. You buy this when you have enough money to also have a high-end full-suspension XC bike. You only race this on the mostly-smooth courses.
  • 1 0
 Soon enough gravel bikes will have wider tires than that. Hmmm...I might have unveiled the new fad,FATGRAVEL.
  • 1 0
 @nozes: ask and you shall receive Smile www.salsacycles.com/bikes/2021_fargo_apex_1 29x2.2" tires clearance in a gravel bike
  • 1 0
 thats fine, theres no road tires wider than that anyway
  • 4 0
 The Shimano sticker almost makes me forget about the weirdness of the whole thing.
  • 4 0
 if they didn't disclose the geometry it's because it's a catalog frame and old.
  • 1 0
 What's the point of the asymmetrical seat stays? It's unlikely to be stiffer (the drive side bent stay is going to bend more at, well, the bend in it).

Does it simplify manufacturing of the seatstay-seattube-toptube junction?
  • 1 0
 They had alot of warranties of the non-drive side seat stay separating on their top road bike many years ago. So, then they launched their asymmetric seat stays in their next model and have continued that forward.
  • 1 1
 Have to make it weird for the clicks, so people care and lust after it. "Affordable, boring double-diamond x/c hardtail bike frame with nice features", doesn't move Pinarellos, nor does it get PB comments. What's the blue-collar x/c race bike equivalent of this?
  • 9 0
 Specialized (shockingly) Chisel. They are fantastic, and a pretty good value.
  • 1 0
 @Genewich: Agreed, I have a Chisel built up as a bikepacking bike and it's great.
  • 2 0
 So the bike is "released" but we have no geo info or any weight data, I'm confused why they didn't just wait until they were ready for it al to come out
  • 4 0
 Saw the picture, straight to the comments. No need to read anything else.
  • 2 0
 When a pure MTB company makes a gravel bike, it might not work out that well. But, here we have a 100% road focussed company and well, what does that look like?
  • 6 2
 Nope
  • 4 2
 Looks just as good as their road bikes. Which is to say that it's FUGLY. Holy cow.
  • 4 1
 Supercaliber : "I am the ugliest XC ever!!!"

Pinarello: "Hold my beer..."
  • 1 0
 mhm, it looks like the front wheel would hit the downtube when the fork goes into full squish..

But it's good to see a hardtail in a world of springtail dominanceSmile .
  • 1 0
 Waait a minuteeeeeee!!!!!..... This XC bike doesn't have cable tourism but the Enduro, Trail, E-bikes are forced to have it?... What sorcery is this?!!!! :o
  • 1 0
 I suppose the triangle near the crank helps move the seat tube forward of the BB, so that is a pass. The rest is just weird for the sake of weird
  • 3 2
 Why do Pinarello do it? All of their models are the worst looking on the market.
  • 3 0
 As there are way more people with bad taste than there are with refined taste, it is in fact very smart marketing to cater to that huge target audience.
  • 2 0
 @WhateverBikes: Brilliant
  • 2 0
 You probably can get the the knockoff for $600.00 on DH gate right now!
  • 3 1
 This thing looks like the carbon bikes on Ali Express. Yikes.
  • 2 0
 For what reason are the stays asymmetrical??
  • 1 0
 Flex
  • 1 0
 Honestly, if you'd told me that was designed in the early 2000's I would have believed you.
  • 1 0
 I never ever post, but these comments are pure gold and I need to recognize!!
  • 1 0
 Maybe it will make former roadies who are now gravel riders buy a mtb finally so I guess that’s a good thing.
  • 1 0
 it might be ugly, but it did not slow anyone down in Scotland a few days ago.
  • 1 0
 Looks like an industrial designer's 1st year project. Dog name really suits it.
  • 1 0
 Why? That being asked I'd still test ride one just for the Pinarello red paint.
  • 3 4
 Never have a found myself finding violence to be the proper answer to an aesthetic choice, but man... someone needs a curb stomp.
  • 2 1
 the bike for the folks that think a "huck" is hopping off a curb.
  • 2 0
 you should see me huck to flat!
  • 2 2
 I was expecting Pontiac Aztek levels of ugly ... I've seen worse from YT. Not my fav design, but it's decent.
  • 1 1
 Without this sticker I would say it was a bike from China with a ridiculous design.
  • 2 1
 Pinarello has outsourced the production to Chernobyl?!
  • 1 1
 Seriously, is this a generic/catalogue frame or does Pinarello manufacture their own frames?
  • 2 0
 Generic is the last word I'd use to describe this thing.
  • 1 0
 That's quite an ignorant question.
  • 1 0
 Looks like in Old 2000s trail bike.
  • 1 0
 if sloth from the goonies was a bike.....
  • 1 0
 Finally a frame that accommodates at 40t chainring!
  • 1 0
 I think Dylan Johnson fit a 42 tooth on his factor hardtail
  • 1 0
 Wow, this should be fun on the gap jumps and the rock rolls.
  • 1 0
 I don’t get it…

It looks a bit dogmashit
  • 1 0
 Christ! What a minger....
  • 1 0
 Im all for function over form , but this is the exact opposite….
  • 1 0
 just like the full sus, massive F
  • 1 0
 they should have called it "the casimodo"
  • 1 0
 "more balanced energy transfer"
  • 1 0
 It looks like an open mold bike.
  • 1 0
 Early 2000's KHS called, they want their front triangle design back.
  • 1 0
 Unique, meaning a catalog bike.
  • 1 0
 Someone went crazy with 3d cad
  • 1 0
 Just keep building road bikes...please
  • 1 0
 Looks FAST like it'll be the fastest way to a chiropractor.....
  • 1 0
 This has given me a headache
  • 3 2
 No
  • 4 4
 I just threw up in my mouth.
  • 4 3
 Nein.
  • 6 6
 Would love to see this get a Hambini roasting
  • 19 3
 I'd love to see Hambini fall off a cliff
  • 5 1
 @lenniDK: he only climbs perfectly-faced plateaus so he’ll never slip and fall
  • 2 2
 They really didn't need to try so hard to make such an ugly bike
  • 2 1
 Yep, sure is a Dog. Wow
  • 1 1
 ...Oh Wait. You're Serious? Let Me Laugh Even Harder!
  • 2 1
 Needs to be Grenaded!
  • 1 1
 Are they even capable of making a remotely attractive bike?
  • 1 0
 Shy Mondraker Podium
  • 1 0
 Fukkk that’s ugly.
  • 1 0
 This thing looks angry.
  • 1 0
 My eyes!!
  • 1 0
 Two wheeled azz wedge.
  • 1 1
 Now see, who let the roadies near the dirt bikes? Frown
  • 1 2
 Yikes. Pinarello really screwed the pooch on this one.
  • 2 3
 stick to classic looking road bikes.
  • 3 0
 Their road bikes don't have a classic look.
  • 2 0
 @WhateverBikes: lol! true
  • 1 1
 Kill it with fire!
  • 1 1
 f*ck….
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