Descending I spent the vast majority of my time testing the Alpine Trail in its stock geometry setting. That's with the chainstay pivot flip-chip in the Low (BB - 345mm) and Long (CS - 442mm) position, with a 27.5" rear wheel and the neutral headset cup, giving a head tube angle of 63°.
A 424mm reach is somewhat on the more compact side for my 163cm, especially when paired with a 35mm stem. With the back-sweep on the bar and the slack head tube angle, it gives the rider a feeling of being in the bike, braced in a commanding position behind the bar. Being more spread out in the cockpit could feel beneficial on extra fast, rough sections, but overall I think the reach on this one suits me and my local trails very well. They're are a little on the slower side by most standards, often with tight turns in rapid succession of one another.
With the chainstay pivot flip-chip in the High BB (352mm) - Short CS (435mm) setting, the rear end felt noticeably more supportive in compressive corners. With a shorter chainstay, the leverage ratio is a little lower, resulting in higher shaft speeds at the shock with more damping force generated. I really appreciated that extra support, and when I went back to the Low BB - Long CS setting, I added one click (of a possible 4) of low speed compression damping to try to replicate that additional support.
On the whole, my preference was the Low BB - Long CS setting. The bike felt more prone to understeer in the higher BB setting, and I also felt that it accentuated that pitched feeling I got on steep, stepped sections of trail that was largely as a result of the slower than ideal fork rebound.
Being a relatively light rider, a common complaint of mine is over-damped suspension. However, I'm pleased to report that the tune on the RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate coil feels more than satisfactory. Riding flat pedals almost exclusively, I'm very sensitive to a shock that is packing down over successive hits, as I will have trouble maintaining a good shoe-pedal connection when things aren't quite right. With the Alpine Trail, I have no complaints in this department. I will often run rebound damping fully open, but with the custom-tune that Marin have settled on, I actually stood to benefit from
not running the rebound as fast as possible. It's refreshing to have meaningful use of the external adjustment dials.
The rear-end of the bike tracks reasonably well. It's no magic carpet however, and doesn't have the buttery smooth feel of some of the mid-pivot enduro bikes I've ridden. It can feel as though it's getting hung up on square-edged hits sometimes, but my feet aren't getting blown off on those occasions. The bike generally feels composed when it goes deep into its stroke. It did have a tendency to feel little kicky sometimes - in scenarios where I'd unexpectedly come upon a chunky lone root at speed with the bike pitched downhill. Again, slowing the rebound with 4 clicks of damping settled things nicely.
The small gets a 150mm travel dropper post, which for me is the minimum acceptable drop for an enduro bike. Clearance was largely fine on all but the steepest of trails, where I benefited from manually slamming the seatpost an extra 25mm. Happily, the small - and other frame sizes - offer plentiful insertion depth. At my saddle height of 627mm, I could run a 180mm OneUp V2 or V3 post in there.
A 63° head tube angle is slacker than what I'm accustomed to. It's manageable, but I did occasionally feel the fear of losing the front end on the steepest trails where the corners weren't so supportive. In light of that, I don't foresee a slacker head tube angle being of any benefit to me on my local trails, but it's cool that the option is there especially for those who want the stability that a longer wheelbase confers - those looking to use the Alpine Trail for fast laps in the bike park, perhaps.
I eventually lost patience with the under-performing RockShox Zeb, as I felt it was holding the bike back from greater potential. So, I switched it out for a 160mm Ohlins RXF 38 m.2 fork that I had lying around. The axle-to-crown height is 13mm lower than that of the 170mm Zeb. That has the effect of lowering the bottom bracket a touch, and steepening the head tube angle by half a degree to around 63.5°. I felt most at ease in this configuration. If I were to race an enduro tomorrow, this is how I would set the bike up: MX with the Horst Flip-Chip in Long and Low, the Headset in Neutral, and with a 160mm fork. This is how it performs best for me.
To find out if there would be additional benefit to running an even steeper head tube angle, I made use of the offset headset cup to steepen it by a further 0.75°. While I didn't feel any less confident on the very steep descents, I did have a few unsettling moments where the bike felt too tall. No drama of course, just a fleeting sensation of feeling a little pitched. To be clear, all of my findings were made from back-to-back testing of different setups on the same set of tracks.
Marin really seems to know how to make a solid bike a good price point. I remember years ago being at an expo where I got to demo a bunch of high end carbon bikes and also this Marin bike whose name escapes me now. After riding the Marin I was sure it was the best one I had ridden all day and the guy was like yeah it’s sweet huh? Only $2600 too. Blew my mind.
Be nice to read about the new Marin and not" I'm a small and the zeb don't work for me comments".. maybe make a review about the zeb by itself?!
This is about a new frame design not your life long small problems.
I like reviews from different size people.
" Hey guys how about we make a pink frame this year and finally get a pink bike reviewed on Pinkbike"
" Shut up intern and go get a fresh pot of coffee"
It looks like a really sorted frame to me and I've not thought that about a Marin for a loooooong time.
As you mentioned it in the compare column ... when can we expect the review of the Airdrop Edit MX that Craig dropped of at your place?
Soooo looking forward to this one!
Looks great geo, design and value.
and looks nice too - Privateer, take note of how a big enduro bike should look at your price point!
Trek Slash alloy is similar spec but is $400 more and is about the same weight with an air shock. It has an idler though, so that adds weight , but the air shock subtracts weight, so I'd put them on par with each other.
To be fair, Fox are not that much better, but still, se would benefit to see lighter rebond since I don't ever see rider using the last quarter of adjustment .
I know lots of riders with nobody having any issues with this shock mount. new float X and dpx2 shocks have a steel shaft, so they are robust AF
also - this one seems to have a trunnion mount shock which is also a shock killer
I've met people with broken shocks by trunnion mounts much more often then because of the clevis.
My '18 and '19 Remedies have stripped down 2 different shock shafts without having clevises and trunnion mounts - so go figure
Also that seat tube angle info is crucial, especially considering I didn't even find it on Marin's website! The biggest difference is with the XL, having a 78,6°HA either at 647mm or 795mm saffle height is going to make a huge difference. Brands should really be clear about this.
This new generation looks like a lot of bike for normal price.
Can anyone who have experience with Marin as a brand, tell me something about quality of their alu frames?
Curious if others have had this problem and found a way to address it. Thanks!
I have the opposite problem.
It also has a female form, marine, which means navy (and is also the female form of the aformentioned first name) and sounds more like the english marin, but with a cat "a".
m.pinkbike.com/news/review-trutune-suspension-inserts-unlock-more-travel.html
...Great review, Cheers!
Maxxgrip Assegai on the rear though?
What did we do to upset you @marinbikes?
I’d buy one of these if I hadn’t just bought a stumpy evo
The 2020 model had heavier grid trail tires.
zeb ultimate - 2.32 (enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mountain-bike-suspension-fork-2021-review)
fox rhythm 36/marzocchi z1 - 2.22 (enduro-mtb.com/en/best-160-mm-mtb-fork-can-buy).
I agree on the coil shock weight difference, but there's still a 1.5kg difference left.