Descending Anyone who says travel doesn't matter should try a bike like this. That 180mm of coil-sprung suspension sticks the tire to the ground and takes the kick out of all the imperfections that bit more than a 160mm bike, allowing you to look further down the trail and leave the brakes alone more of the time. I don't like to describe a bike as "fun" because that word means different things to everyone, but the extra traction and confidence this suppleness offers is very enjoyable in my book. And while bigger wheels do help with smoothing-out and carrying speed over rough terrain, the suppleness of the Ariel's suspension more than makes up for its smaller wheels when compared to most 160mm-travel 29ers.
Don't think it's a soft sofa when pushed either. The coil spring combined with the leverage curve offers plenty to push against in the middle of the travel. This made me wonder if the 500lb/in spring was a little too firm at first, as it feels pretty stiff just after sag, but once up to speed the support was appreciated, and while I never had any harsh bottom-outs, I used all the travel on bigger landings. Meanwhile the shock's linear rebound tune is very active and tracks the ground well over high-frequency chatter when wide open, yet returns in a reassuringly controlled manner when landing hard from deep in the travel. I do like my rebound a little faster than most, but I found it worked best within a click or two of fully open despite running a stiff spring. More than a handful of clicks slower and it started to bog down and become harsh on high-frequency braking bumps. Like most bikes, the Ariel gets the same damper tune for all sizes, so very light riders may struggle to get it fast enough to extract as much suppleness as I did.
The air-sprung RockShox Zeb fork can't match the back-end's composure - it uses up the middle third of its travel a little too eagerly before ramping up rather abruptly before the end. It's no bad fork, but you have to over-inflate it slightly and put up with not accessing the end part of the travel to match the mid-travel support from the rear end. The basic Zeb R fork lacks compression adjustment, so you can't add compression damping to try and prop it up. The Fox 38 (fitted to the Pro model) would be a better match as it offers more mid-travel support. Nevertheless, the Zeb is super comfortable and sucks up big holes and rocks brilliantly, so the overall suspension package is still very supple and traction-rich.
If you haven't had the pleasure of riding a downhill bike made in the last few years, there's a good chance this will descend better than whatever dual-crown bike you rode last. The 510mm reach and 63.5-degree head angle make for a roomy front-center (865mm), while the short offset fork - compared to a DH bike - makes for slightly calmer steering in pinball situations. That means you can really lean on the bars and rip into turns with no fear of the bike tripping up or twitching. The biggest difference compared to those older downhill bikes is there's just more room in the cockpit thanks to the longer reach, so you have more choice of where to put your weight.
The short rear-center (438mm) and 27.5" front wheel occasionally makes the steering light and nervous compared to 29ers with longer chainstays. This took some getting used to, and had me sliding or steering off course a couple of times in flat, fast turns. The flip side is that it's very easy to loft the front wheel at a moment's notice, but personally I'd rather have a longer rear-center for more front-end grip.
One often-overlooked aspect of 27.5" front wheels is that it often results in a lower bar height. Despite a lofty 40mm of spacers under the stem and a 35mm-rise bar, the bar height on my XL was 109cm, whereas with a 29er/mullet with this much reach and travel I'd usually run about 111cm (with longer reach or a higher BB, you need a higher bar height). That difference is enough that I had to work a little harder to properly push the front end into holes or chutes, bending more at the hips so I could maintain enough bend in my elbows to extend and push when needed. Bigger wheels usually result in a higher front end and this goes a long way to explaining the feeling of being "inside the bike", which is often associated with a 29er. The bar height on the Ariel will be high enough for the vast majority of riders, but for me it's a touch lower than ideal and this does affect the ride in steep terrain. And while the supple suspension makes up for the 27.5" wheels in comfort and traction terms, a smaller front wheel is more prone to stall when you stray off-line into a big hole.
Another tall person problem I had is the 150mm-travel dropper post, which delivers just 144mm of travel according to my tape measure. For me, this just isn't enough for a bike of this category, as it limits the range of motion when pumping through whoops or pushing the bike into steep chutes. I soon started dropping the post manually another 50mm or so before dropping in. Again, for many riders this won't be an issue, but a 170mm post at least would be a big improvement.
Get yourself a hip bag.
Holds more water and doesnt get dirty.
Found this. Seems you don't want to stash anything firm under your spine. Put your bottle on the side. However water pack should be fine.
www.bicycling.com/training/a20016773/pack-wisely-to-save-your-spine
Like an Evoc Hip Bag
As well they should! My common-or-garden boost frame takes 2.8" tyres and I'm sure that's not unusual.
Dude gets his audience
I could live with the slightly distressing cable routing - but why oh why Super Boost? My three "normal boost" bikes all take 2.6in rear tyres - but I'd prefer to be limited to 2.4in than have a different hub width on one of them.
I'd not expect many people to own a DH bike AND one of these, but many more might own a trail/enduro bike and one of these - and it'd be very handy to swap the wheels about.
That's what I do anyway.
This review: " The Zeb lacks mid-travel support." "The Fox 38 (fitted to the Pro model) would be a better match as it offers more mid-travel support."
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Also I’m sure there’s a market for it or otherwise Poles and Geometrons wouldn’t exist, but I feel like on a Large 505mm reach with a below 77° sta is a bit extreme.
Also the min-max AS curve is a new take on the chart and is really informative! Nicely done
If a 85kg rider like Seb has to run the rebound fully open, anyone weighting less will have a shock that is constantly bogging down. Kills all the suppleness and traction mentioned in the review.
Yes, you can probably get it tuned to your weight, but who does this on a budget bike?
Ik this comment is a bit late but just thought some people might wanna see another owners opinion.
Wouldn't it require 15% less? A "fully linear bike" would not have that curve back up at the end of the graph, thus would have an even lower leverage ratio at bottom out, and so would require _more_ force to bottom-out.
I though the point of SuperBoost was to get that tire clearance and wheel stiffness without resorting to super wide cranks. In fact, Pivot's pitch document (www.bicycleretailer.com/sites/default/files/downloads/article/Pivot_Super%20Boost%20Plus_INTL.pdf)
specifically mentions that Q-factor does not need to change:
(page 9) "Super Boost Plus 157 is based on standard cranksets in the market. The system maintains the same Q-factor (crank arm width) as standard trail bike cranks in the market such as Race Face Aeffect SL (173mm), and Race Face Turbine (177mm)."
If Saracen is using DH 87mm cranks or some other extra wide crank system, they're not really doing SuperBoost, but just DH157 (with a slightly different brake offset and wheel dish)
Any idea why that is like that? Because of XL?
Is this part of the brand to make more monney from the back of their customer who already paid 8000$ for a bike.I will tell my story everywhere if my problem is not solved.
I have never ever had this on any bike and this is really scary. I got no answer from you when I told you this. Customer service told me to buy a new bolt which I was charged more than 100$ for a small bolt (5cm long and 3mm diameter). Customer service is really not helpful. I am really upset with you
First time I got a story like that, never had any problem with Trek, Santa Cruz or Rocky Mountain and their customer service would have given me the bolt for free because that is too big of a problem and can cause death. Just tink of a rear shock bolt braking and think a little bit if you really want to invest...
Not according to that graphic. Rebound shaft speed would be faster from deep in the travel, because the spring force is higher. That graphic says that a digressive tune has relatively less damping force at high shaft speeds; and also relatively higher damping as slow shaft speeds, which would occur at the top of the travel because there is less spring force.
Then does that mean the Fox 38 is ultra-comfortable and sucks up big holes and rocks extra-brilliantly? (I can't think of a definitely-more-than-brilliant adjective...) Because you just said a 38 definitely is better (strong agree based on my own Pike vs 36); unless someone likes not using enough travel _and_ not having mid-stroke support...
Other than that this bike makes a lot of sense!!
This is why people who have never built should not technical write ups. This is hilariously wrong.
*Rolls Eyes*
For those Ebduuroo pilots, not able to ride the trails anymore they destroyed?
Nice looking bike
I wouldn’t want to know what shortcuts would need to happen to offer a titanium frame on a complete $3,000 7” travel park bike.
Still though, I'm not sure what the value proposition is with this bike. It does not seem to have a wow factor; it merely exists.
so Ariel 80,100mm travel? 10080mm travel?
great writing! LMAO
see how much clearer that is!? ffs mate, stop defending a simple failure like your own ego is wrapped up in it.
there is a f*cking difference between the written word and the spoken.