Schwalbe Evo Aerothan Innertube - Review

 Just waiting for the ribbed/mini... MAGNUM! stupid autocorrect!!!

 Latex and gluten free!

 What happens if I'm lactose intolerant?

 Soy based for a rash free ride!

 It comes with fruitty flavors !!!

 Well I heard it's now considered a super food. Step aside kale!!

 Reminds me of Fruit-Roll-Ups from back in the day.
So are they edible?

 2 dozen tubes a year?!!
You are doing something seriously wrong and/or havent learned a lesson,yet.

 is it vegetarian and GMO-free?

 Damn right. 1 or 2 tubes a year tops (if any) seems more reasonable to me.

 Meh... Tubeless.

 why

 First few years of downhilling and street riding, went through dozens of tubes smashing into things or running the wrong pressure. As skills progressed and I got faster, I used less tubes to the point where I'm on a set for several years. 2 dozen, maybe he's a beginner.

 A rubber to match my pill

 Does it glow in the dark?

 And apparently it's also edible, energy bar replacement!

 i got a puncture just by looking at this tube

 I just want to help! www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ux08bz43qY

 @bikecustomizer

stop inflating your tires at the gas station

 @bikecustomizer
"(Especially when you try ty inflate with a compressor)"

called it! That's your problem. Go invest in a bike pump ya mook!

 @bikecustomizer elaborate more on why you are not impresta with the valve on this tube?

 You could get a Stan's conversion kit for the price of two tubes, or a roll of gorilla tape and a bottle of sealant for the price of one. N+1=why wouldn't you???

 It's all a bit hard to schwalbe ( sorry only german+english speakers may roll their eyes at that gem).

 Gluten Free jajajajaja

 @bikecustomizer You know the main reason most of those things use schrader valves? They are much more robust. Makes sense when its an expensive piece of equipment like a Shock/Fork etc.

If you manage to damage or break presta valves while using them... Please leave any mechanical work to someone else. IME I have never broken one unless I've been extremely unlucky in a crash and that has only happened once.

Oh and you can't use a compressor without an adaptor.... But that's just being lazy

 @charlie079 shocks/forks use schrader valves so you don't lose any air as the pump detaches because it's spring loaded. Tubes use presta because they're lighter, close more securely, can't clog with dust, and the stems are more shear resistant and slimmer for narrow rims.

 And those reasons too

 Dunno, but thinking about it.. fruit roll up's might make for great rim strips.

 I want some information on how they perform.

 Are they repair'a'ble?

 Exactly,,, enough four play reviews. Are they patch-able? have you blasted a rock garden at 23psi? Have you hit a 12 foot drop into a shale littered chute with them?

 @nojzilla / @fecalmaster - Yes, they are. The tubes can be patched with our glueless patches: www.schwalbe.com/en/zubehoer.html

 Review: We put them in a tire and inflated them, they held air. We rode over thumb tacks, they lost air. Performance review: they work like a tube. Conclusion; why would you review a goddamn tube.

 Sounds good,, if I can patch them I shall thrash them.

 I rode these tubes through a downhill race last year. Stood up to 95kg of me, on an heavy ass XL bike, through rough as all hell trails, inflated at 25 psi. I approve.

 @schwalbe Only that the glueless patch doesn't even stay on. I used 3 patches on my last ride every 5-10 minutes after the initial failure, then switched to a butyl tube a friend was carrying...
Otherwise pretty okay. I'll us them mainly for the front tire from now on...

 Thats not a review, maybe a product presentation. At least try to blow it up and tell us when it happened... For everybody else, just buy latex tubes. Hardly ever punctured with them, and they may be 30g heavier but less than half the price.

 Awesome review! Tune in next week for my own review of the CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier.

 How exactly do you review a tube? You can't just smash it through some rough terrain and expect to get some kind of real data on how it performs. Everyone knows that flats can be completely random. You can ride for months without one, then get 2 in a week. So with that said what test would you like to see? Even if RC took them out and smashed them through some rough terrain for a month would that really prove anything?

 @bayonetwork: I want to be able to simply grab my bike out of the shed and go for a ride. Hated having to pump up my latex tubes again before every single ride.

They work well indeed, but it was way too annoying having to pump both tubes before each ride.

Apparently these actually do hold air.

 The advantages of tubless vs tube has been well documented since 1985 but every time I see a major gash causing milk spray in riders eyes, frame, shocks etc I remember the old days, well I guess tubeless is new to noob types. Either way options, give my uber options and schwalbe has done exactly that.

 I'd imagine these would be more resistance to pinch flats. Less material to rip itself. Like folding paper vs cardboard

 In a real pinch you could use it as a condom as well.

 I use tubes on my slope bike. Got the lightest ones I could find (some bontrager super light somethings) and they do just fine. Slope bikes are pumped up pretty hard anyway and not really ridden on trails that provoke flats. It's 90 grams, approx. Holds air pretty ok! You'll want to check the pressure every few days or once a week, though.

I'd totally get these if they hold air better. Lighter, not much more money, basically a one time purchase...if it holds air really well then I'm totally sold. Kinda wish that valve stem wasn't see-through, though. Oh well! That's an easy fix.

 Using tubes because I run high pressure (38+ on the 7inch bike, 55ish on the HT. Was a specialized turbo fan but these look promising.... sus tuning for traction!!!! HT's for street.....

 I also want to get these for my konig play bike. I always run about 40psi and don't ride rough stuff. I think I could save probably close to 300g... That's some good going compared to other weight saving avenues such as titanium bolts or pedal spindles. An actual review would have been welcome though.

 That's a fair point, I kept looking around for 'Sponsored Arcticle' but nope, its a supposed review of the product... Review by brochure, new to PinkBike in 2016.

 I'm sure the brochure says [paraphrasing the above] that this tube is basically useless because who's using tubes? And those that are want them as cheap as possible and don't care about weight.

I think you guys are just used to the needless pontificatoin of some reviews here and elsewhere, and can't see that you can say everything that needs to be said about a tube in a sentence or two.

 It would be nice to hear how it compared to a regular tube puncture wise on the trails, rather than just taking schwalbe's word for it. They didn't mention anything about fixing punctures with them either. Otherwise just call the article a 'first look' or something.

 Spot on. Will be dining the same.

 same here, but too bad the tire sizes are more strict on these. I switch between a 27.5 and 26 bike and use the same spare 26 tubes, works well on 27.5

 If so, that sounds like about the lowest dollar/gram weight savings out there! If not, $25 every time I pinch a tube seems a little steep...not to mention a bit eco-unfriendly. I hope schwalbe comes out with an accompanying kit to address repair issues, if they haven't already!

 You must use Smurf blood, it's very fast clotting. Doesn't wash out though!

 Ah...nevermind. Found my own answer! Copied from Schwalbe website:

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: CAN YOU REPAIR THE EVO TUBE?

You can repair a puncture in the EVO TUBE with the new self-adhesive patches from Schwalbe without any trouble. The patch also works very well for all conventional tubes. When repairing the EVO TUBE you must not use sandpaper to roughen the damaged spot before applying the patch.

 Will be 25$ per patch, I am sure.
They didn't develop this for regular use. I am sure they had in mind that each tubeless rider should carry one of those in his pockets (like RC promotes). If they achieve this, sales target reached.

 Further up the thread Schwalbe have said they can be patched

 The tubes can be patched using Schwalbe's glueless patches, that also work perfectly well on normal butyl tubes. Although, a normal butyl patch won't work on the Aerothan tubes.

 www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-glueless-patches-479180

Less than €4/$5 for 6 patches. And seen as there glueless and no faff with sandpaper there's no reason 1 tube and a pack of patches wouldn't be sufficient for even the biggest of rides. It would be just as easy to put a patch on the one tube as it would be to change it out (that's hoping you don't get a huge snake bite of course)

 Schwalbe portable sonic welder and patches on the horizon. Find it incredible with today's tech we still have issues with punctures. Where's the god dam nanobots we were promised 20 years ago.

 Mind if I ask where you got it?

 Just a comment on using it as a "back-up": That would mean that once you have a puncture in your conventional tube, you will replace it with this supersonic one, and then going forward you will keep using this type of tube (as on subsequent rides you would again be carrying the same supersonic back-up), right? I would not expect one to use this as a back-up, and when actually needed, replace it again with a conventional tube when arrived back home?

 @MTB-Colada no that's not how we would use it. Many of us who run tubeless only need an inner tube if we really screw up like badly cut a tire or let all the sealant dry up. Then back to tubeless once home again.

 Oh, OK, but what about people who ride with tubes?

 I want to buy one just for a backup as well since the standard 29er tube is annoyingly large.

 @MTB-Colada: That's up to you. If you can afford $75 USD for two tubes and a spare, run em. If you can only afford one as a back up, then I guess whether or not it stays in the tire is your call.

 @rallyimprezive, @MTB-Colada: When you put it that way, it sure makes converting to tubeless seem economical. You can convert to tubeless for less than $25/wheel, then never have to worry about tubes again. Just have this as a lightweight backup, that may get used once every 1-3 years, as long as you keep your sealant up to par. Plus you get all the other benefits of tubeless, like lower weight, lower rolling resistance, more traction, no flats. Seems like a no-brainer compared to buying three of these, especially since these don't seem to have any additional flat resistance compared to regular tubes.

 Article? This was a press release.

 Agreed. Backup tube is the biggest thing in my pack, besides water...

 This can shave nearly a pound of weight off your bike for $50 or £40 - rotating weight too. Think these will be going on my bike for sure

 The problem is, if it is as "durable" as a 100g butyl tube then it is worthless as a spare unless you pump it to 35 PSI or more. I stopped carrying light tubes since I was flatting right after. Butyls go with a tiniest, tiniest pinching.

 Exactly what I would want to know. @RichardCunningham, how about an accellerated aging test? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_aging

 Coming soon: only $99/tube.

 You are concerned about rotating weight riding a fat bike? That's like jumping out of a plane and being concerned that you are falling.

 Actually, dropping 3lbs from swapping to normal tubes is quite noticable, but i flatted more often. The cheap fatbike tubes weigh almost the same as the tires

 I tried to go with a lightweight 2.8" tube. It was noticeably lighter but flatted fairly easy. Went back to the heavy stock tubes and they seem nearly indestructible.

If these high tech tubes actually do hold up like a standard tube, but weigh significantly less, I'd consider dropping $25-30/tube for the fatbike. Like I said, that would be cheap compared to a new tubeless ready wheelset.

 I ended up scoring a set of mulefuts and relaced them to my current hubs. Most fatbike rims ERD are pretty close and there is a good chance you can reuse your spokes and nips. I scored my rims for $100 used, but they're available new on amazon for around $220 a set. I relaced them myself and paid $30 to have my shop tension them. The tubeless and the bead holding were totally worth the effort

 Oh damn - that energy drink really kicked in earlier. It's not called RESTRAINT! apparently.

 They did. They made/make a buttload of chemical related stuff.

 BASF made Zyklon-B and are the biggest chem company in the world, I believe. Edit - I'll fact-check ...... In 1925, BASF merged with Bayer, Hoechst and three other companies to form I.G. Farbenindustrie AG. Between 1933 and 1945, I.G. Farben played a central role in the Nazi economy. During World War II, the company manufactured poison gas, Zyklon B, used at extermination camps and employed forced and slave labor. Several company directors and senior managers were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. -Wikipedia

 Oh sure! ya try to take over the world a couple of times and suddenly you're the bad guy!

 HAHA! ^^^ I know how they feel...I'm a downvote magnet.

 US&A funded the Nazis. www.crossroad.to/Quotes/reinventing-government/bush-hitler.htm

 What the f*ck is wrong with you guys? I mean, seriously.

 @mazze Better not to forget history. The victims would agree. Don;t get me started on IBM who basically wrote the punch-card program and supplied the hardware the Third Reich used to manage and monitor genocide. The US gov't didn't intervene.

 @endlessblockades Somebody asks about cassettes and you start talking about Nazis and Zyklon-B? Seriously, are you retarded? You don't get to "Better not forget about history" me, man.
Let me tell you this: there is no country on earth that takes more responsibility for its dark history than Germany.
The American economy has been living off of wars nonstop for the last three decades at least, but who cares, let's talk German war crimes from 60 years ago.
My question to you is, why don't we talk about US Companies like Dow Chemical, Mobay or Monsanto? Does Agent-Orange ring a bell? No? It's just the reason for millions of malformed born children still to this very day three generations after vietnam war, because the US army dropped 80.000.000 Liters of that toxic stuff all over the country. No worries, eh? Oh yeah in case you forgot... America is the only country to ever drop not an Atomic bomb in the act of war. And not only one, but actually two. On civil grounds that is of course.
But let's just produce some big budget Hollywood movies like Black Hawk down, Fury and American Sniper, which glorify the shit out of all recent wars and totally deny any historic fact taking anything out of context like implying the Iraq-war being a consequence of 9/11 in American Sniper. You don't seem to know anything about history, as you are blinded by your All-American Hollywood-hero hypermoral. There was no such thing as bad deeds by American soldiers in any of the 10 wars since WW2, right? Because god has always been with America. There was certainly no violation of human rights and abuse in Guantanamo Bay ever, and no rape and genocide in Vietnam war like seen in one of the very few honest war movies like Platoon? Of course Oil and other economic interests like securing the USD as the oil trade currency had nothing to do with the Iraq war either. You don't know shit about history, all you know is novels written by Americans for Americans. By the way @justincs, WWI was not started by Germany. You should get your history facts straight.
I'm not denying anything that happened in Germany, but I refuse to be reminded three times a day by some shithead like you on the Internet, while the very rest of the world keeps denying all of its own crimes. You, as in you personally with your unquantifiable self-righteousness and ignorance (not as in all Americans for that matter!), disgust me.

 Spameritards have killed 20-30 million people since WW2, they are great at killing people, the less weaponised and civilian the better. Absolute c*nt of a nation.

www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

 Americans are the best at killing people, go US&A, go US&A!!!!

 @mazze Easy, buddy. Maybe it was lost in translation, but I am -NOT- supporting American imperializm and geneocide, I am acknowledging it!!!! IE My comment about IBM.

Gott in Himmel, I ride a German bike.

 Fair enough, then I apologize and distance myself from that part about self-righteousness and ignorance, but my point still holds. We are very counscious about our past and that is more than most other countries and its citizens can say about themselves... particularly when it comes to USA and Israel. Thus, getting it rubbed in like that is really annoying, especially when it is as pointless and way out of place on a mountainbike website like in this case. Most companies existing back then were involved in one way or another and that is only logical, as they could either be in or be dead.

 @mazze You're right, it was super-insensitive and way out of context. I just hate that the $$ is more important than human rights and that our collective 'civilization' has made almost no progress in this regard.

 @mazze: I never said they started it, I said they tried taking over the World a couple of times! English is a German based language but with humour added ! History is written by the Victors of Battle, do you really think any History is all that accurate/ unbiased?

 Where's the info on wether or not it can be patched? Sales pitch!

 People spend $2000 on a carbon wheel set to safe the same ammount of weight. Thereby €40 for a set of tubes isn't much if you don't get much flats (i guess I have about 1 or 2 per year averagely, so for me it's worth it)

 60€ for a tube? I guess it is close enough to consider that an epic April fools joke.

 only 2.25" on 27.5" ? hmm..

 Says 16 euro so comparable price

 The two Eclipse tubes I had, were exactly the same weight.
See: gewichte.mtb-news.de/img/a2/31/87/a23187cc51d18bcb4ba43c3b71f2d45fcbacd302/large_EclipseDHSchlauch.JPG There seem to be even lighter ones now, however, I used 2 of them and I don't recommend this product. They both failed despite using DH tires, but other than that pretty much 90% of those tubes were also leaking air through micro holes after only 1-2 weeks of using, so you had to pump before every ride. There were also quality control issues, such that some people even got brand new tubes with a twisted seam for 50-60€ and Eclipse rejected all warranty claims and was a huge pain in the ass to deal with. "A twisted seam does not compromise the tube's performance". Oh and Lezyne glueless patches didn't stick to them either. I repeat I do not recommend that product, especially as they are still at their ridiculous MSRP.
I'm happy about this new tube from Schwalbe, but I feel like they still could provide the tubes a lot cheaper.

 www.bike24.com/1.php?menu=1000%2C2%2C103%2C107;search=schwalbe+tube;content=8;product=143112

Soon...

 Why can't you run tubeless at high pressure? Serious question, I'm sure there is a reason but it eludes me.

 Alot of rim tape/rims aren't designed for tubeless once it goes >45 psi

Dirt jumpers run their tyres ROCK HARD. Like 60psi+

 You know you can get tubless road tyres right? Road riders pump their tyres to +/- 120psi

 @gabriel-mission9 and @FurryCrew tubeless road rims aren't drilled, no need of a rim tape. It also exist for MTB, Mavic, Easton, some DT Swiss rims...

 Incorrect. Many Road tubeless rims don't have sealed rim beds (eg. Pacenti sl23,stans grail,new enve just to pick a few). Any high pressure tubeless setup just requires an extra layer of tape. The reason nobody uses tubless for jumping is that there's no benefit. Theres no need for low pressure traction/pinch flat resistance and no need really for any puncture sealing. The likelyhood of burping tyres on wonky landings and having tyres flying off i imagine would be one of the main concerns.

 do dirtjumpers actually care about the tube weight?

 Dirt jumpers are some of the biggest weight weenies around. And it makes sense, the spins and twirls they are doing are made FAR harder by a heavy bike. Have you ever seen a fat ballet dancer?

 While that's true, it's still one of the cheaper ways to save some grams of rotating mass.

 you're underestimating how important changes in rotating mass are. i would gladly add 3 pounds of weight to my frame if i could magically reduce my rim weight by a single pound

 I would be one of those customers, but there's a disclaimer in the Schwalbe website stating that they should not be run with rim brakes (something to do with heat) and I am not ready yet to switch to disks on my road bike!

 It means that they don't want you to put a smaller tube in a larger wheel. Schwalbe's info states that you can use a 26" EVO tube in all popular 26" tire sizes, and the same goes for 27.5 and 29 inch Evo's. I tested mine in WTB 27.5 x 2.5 inch tires with no issues, so they stretch pretty well.

 Still don't get it. How the hell could anybody put a smaller tube in a larger wheel? Like 26" tube in a 27,5' wheel?

 ah ok, so it's basically saying you can't use a 26'' in a 27.5'' or vice versa.

 @karoliusz I was wondering the same. Seems more common sense that it's not possible/recommended. But after stretching, and staying in the same shape for an extended period(say 1 year) and you go to swap to a bigger volume tire of same wheel size, would you be still able to use that same tube, despite it already being "stretched" once for so long?

 @RichardCunningham, are you sure about that? Why would they say 'Reassemble'? It doesn't say 'assemble only in indicated tire sizes'. It's 'Wiedermontage' in German so it is not a translation glitch. Did you test them in a 2.0 tire after mounting them in a 2.5? Do they fully return to the original size after being stretched?

 I think the point is you shouldn't first run them in for example a 26x2.5" tire and then pop them into a 26x2.1, as they might be too stretched after being inflated in the roomier 2.5" tire. The opposite (going from 2.1 to 2.5) shouldn't be a problem in my view, but don't take my word for it.

 That may be the downside. It is a thermoplastic so it probably won't work with a regular patch for butyl or latex tubes (which are thermoset elastomers, can't melt those). That said, there should actually be an easy way to mend them using another piece of thermoplastic film and a hot iron (and a piece of fabric in between so that the material won't melt to the iron). The only risk is that you melt both walls together as well or at the very least interrupt the shape and uniform thickness of the material surrounding the patch. But I suppose it could be done. And then the good thing is that you won't have to deal with the toxic glue used for regular patches and once you eventually have to dispose of it, it is easier to recycle than a regular butyl or latex patch.

The reviewer here doesn't seem to be too concerned about his ecological footprint apparently. Tubes apparently are to be disposed once they're punctured and you bring a CO2 cartridge on a short ride, not a pump. Damn, what happened to mountainbiking?

 I came to the comments looking for answers and found none..

 bib shorts?

 Word from Schwalbe is that it will have no effect. Bummer, cus I wanted to run sealant in this tube, in my front wheel. Sealant won't react to the non-rubber tube.

 Thanks for the reply!

 Nah just the tires that cover them

 LOL^

 Schwalbe's site says not to use the tube with different tire sizes, so i'm guessing it's not as flexible as rubber

 No, it does not stretch well. The material feels quite different from traditional rubber. I don't think it's possible to install, say, a 26" EVO tube on a 27.5" rim.

 I was more wondering about its ability to deal with a 1.9, 2.1, 2.35, 2.5" wide tire without issue.

 I must admit that I haven't had the pleasure (or the contrary) to actually ride with these tubes yet due to injury but they seem to fit 2.5" tires well enough.

 I have mounted a pair in my Magic Mary and Hans Dampf 2.35" and used them for three rides. So far, so good. They do stretch, it's just that once they balloon up inside the tire, they are not as keen on retaking their uninflated shape as regular tubes are (but not to the point that it becomes a problem if you want to take the tube out again, I've tried).

 @Crossmaxx Where did you get yours? I can't seem to find any in 26"

 @riggadon www.bike24.com/1.php?content=13&search=schwalbe+evo+tube

 Uoops, apparantly they are not availible at the moment, sorry. Worth it or not - they seem popular.

 @riggadon I got them from www.mantel.com. But they seem to be out of stock now.

 I was thinking the same thing. I would probably buy these if there were a Schrader version available.

 My local bike shop has had 'me for ages. You might have to make some phone calls (I'm in Australia).

 bfy.tw/4taE

 Afaik they have not been released yet but it could happen any moment now. Probably also why pinkbike didn't review it, only rewrote the text of schwalbes website, with exactly the same info they shared in their last article of these tubes.

 www.bike-components.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=schwalbe+evo

 They're not available yet at the link you shared.

 @Mattin you're right, I've missed the info about availability: "delivery period approx. 20 days or more".
However, there is already one written review for 29" version: www.bike-components.de/en/Schwalbe/Schlauch-19E-28-29-EVO-TUBE-p45928

 Checked at the distributor, they will hit the European market in the first half of April.

 Maybe you're riding not fast enough?

 Check out my vids, you'll see I'm not hanging about

 This one is German and made from euthanized Smurfs!

 @wavetrance This are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more expensive (or it'll be). And it seems that the "thermoplastic called Aerothan" is the same EFT gliberish with a different name.

 Maxxis DH tubes are the toughest you can get. 1.5mm thick and nuke proof. Bloody heavy though.

 Yea. The weight is not worth it IMO. I ran two DH tubes for one season, and after replacing them with standard tubes the difference was very noticeable.

 at $25 a pop, I hope they're repairable.

 Yeah I know. But it doesn't actually say in the review and because they're made of a different material I was just wondering if you'd need a special type of repair kit!.. Maybe they're working on it..another money making sideline.

 If it's a vinyl like plastic, maybe you'd be able to use vinyl repair kits, like what they have for beachballs and the like.

 You need a special repair kit from Schwalb but it's pretty cheap and also works on normal tubes. Check the website for more info.

 Fgiraffe^^^ Of course I have used Evo tubes - this is, afterall, a review of an inner-tube. It acts just like any other tube: holds air, stretches about the same as a butyl tube, and I installled them in 2.5 WTB tires with no issues. I think 25 bucks is too expesive for alll but the wildest spenders to use as a regular tube, but I run everything tubeless, as most everyone does these days, so I focused this review upon the EVO tube's value as a backup - which is its strongpoint.

 Has anyone tried using them at 60-80psi on a DJ bike? Would they still act like any other tube at those pressures?