The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 117 - Mountain Biking's Worst (or Best) Cliché Crimes

Apr 14, 2022
by Mike Levy  
Pinkbike Podcast
Art by Taj Mihelich

From dream-worthy Sprinter van conversions and Tacomas with roof top tents, flannel jackets and tall socks, or cigarettes and front wheel pivots, to cornering like it's on rails and climbing like a mountain goat, mountain biking can sometimes feel like a rolling cliche. Which is why Henry Quinney, Mike Kazimer, and myself spend episode 117 making fun of our sport's most predictable aspects. We get into just how real steel actually is, remembering to "like and subscribe," single pivots that don't work and Horst Link bikes that pedal poorly, and bikes that look like a Session to reviews the day after First Looks... yet we somehow forgot about quiver killer.

What else did we miss?

April 14th, 2022

I can't believe we missed "quiver killer."

Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.

Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers
Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers
Episode 82 - Behind the Scenes at Field Test
Episode 83 - Does Carbon Fiber Belong On Your Mountain Bike?
Episode 84 - Explaining RockShox's Computer Controlled Suspension
Episode 85 - Is the Red Bull Rampage Too Slopestyle?
Episode 86 - Greg Minnaar on the Honda DH Bike, World Cup Racing, and Staying Fast Forever
Episode 87 - How to Love Riding When it's Cold and Wet
Episode 88 - Mountain Biking on a Budget
Episode 89 - The Derailleur Pickle
Episode 90 - Is Supre the Future of Trouble-Free Drivetrains? (with Cedric Eveleigh of Lal Bikes)
Episode 91 - Riding Every Double Black in the Whistler Bike Park with Christina Chappetta
Episode 92 - Does Bike Weight Really Matter?
Episode 93 - Staying Motivated and Overcoming Burnout
Episode 94 - PBA Contestant Tori Wood on Her First Race and Finding the Right Mindset
Episode 95 - Field Test Down-Country Bike Debrief
Episode 96 - PBA Contestant Israel Carrillo on Riding in Mexico and Why It's Not Always About Speed
Episode 97 - Can We Predict the Future of Mountain Biking?
Episode 98 - Field Test Trail Bike Debrief
Episode 99 - New Year, New You?
Episode 100 - Q&A with the PB Editors
Episode 101 - MTB Tradeshows Explained
Episode 102 - Should MTB Media Be Going to Press Camps?
Episode 103 - Secrets from the World Cup Pits with Henry Quinney
Episode 104 - Lachlan Morton on How to be a Happy Bike Racer and the World's Longest Climb
Episode 105 - The 3 Bike Budget Challenge
Episode 106 - What's Your Ideal Ride Look Like?
Episode 107 - How (And Why) Did You Start Mountain Biking?
Episode 108 - Behind the Scenes at the Value Bike Field Test
Episode 109 - Berm Peak's Seth Alvo on Making Videos 24/7, Soul Rides, and Building a Bike Park
Episode 110 - Trying (and Failing) to Reinvent the Mountain Bike
Episode 111 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #1 - It's All Downhill From Here
Episode 112 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #2 - The Lourdes World Cup Post-Race Wrap-Up
Episode 113 - PB Editors Answer Your Questions (again)
Episode 114 - The Placebo Effect and Your New Mountain Bike
Episode 115 - We Are One's CEO Talks Future DH Bike, E-Bikes, & Domestic Manufacturing
Episode 116 - New Bikes and Gear from Sea Otter

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  • 28 4
 Can't we be honest Climbs like an overweight cow Descends like a drunken goat Heavier than the average 5 year old Frame costs more than the average yearly income in Mexico
  • 23 4
 wow that is some mind blowing perspective with the mexican househould income. Couple sources have it between ~$3,500 to ~$6,000 USD. Insane how jaded we can get, thinking $1,500 for carbon wheels or $750 for a fork is "budget", etc. Not tryna get all preachy, just genuinely made me realize how lucky we are here.
  • 20 1
 @TannerValhouli: Remember the cost of living changes too depending on where you live. EX If you make 80k a year in NYC, you're just some guy. If you make that in WV, you are TannerValhouli, Earl of Snowshoe, First of His Name.

You are right though.
  • 16 0
 Honest Trailers version of bike reviews? I feel like that'd be a funny op-ed.
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flag SterlingArcher (Apr 14, 2022 at 13:32) (Below Threshold)
 What’s even more mind blowing are the number of white people on welfare. Yikes!
  • 18 0
 Playful, poppy, planted, feels like it has more than X travel, bottomless suspension, dialed, eye-watering price...
  • 18 0
 Ooof, I feel attacked haha. This is why I end up using dumber words like "nimbility" haha
  • 8 0
 @mikelevy: nimbility, it's a perfectly cromulent word
  • 8 0
 When Henry talked about some super fast not in fashion rider in Europe it gave me an idea for a future podcast. Talking about the difference between Europe and North America in the mountain biking world. Difference in terms of terrains, riders, mentality etc...
  • 8 1
 Not listened yet but here's my suggestion.
Stupid jokey bro names for everything. I understand that as a reviewer its really hard to write an article about say a helmet or brakes or whatever without using the word helmet and brakes in every other sentance and sounding like you are 8 years old with a limited vocabulary.
But people read these reviews and start saying "skid switch" and "brain bucket" and "party post" unironically in normal conversation and it makes me want to punch them.
  • 6 2
 I have a friend who says “pick a wheel size and be a dick about it” and it makes me want to kms
  • 2 0
 Think of it as a service. Helps weed out the party posters so you don’t have to have lame friends. Course you might have no friends at all, but that’s a risk we all have to take to avoid these egregious evolutions of language.
  • 1 0
 I am 100% guilty of this one. I use "party post" way too much.
  • 16 0
 "Whip," "steed," and "sled" all make me want to scream
  • 2 0
 @mikebeeee: “Let ‘er eat!”
  • 6 0
 @mikebeeee: "steed" needs to die.
  • 3 5
 @plustiresaintdead: pick a dick size and be a wheel about it
  • 2 0
 @mikebeeee: Don't forget "gnar"
  • 1 0
 @mior: go shralp yourself.
  • 6 0
 As a Midwest rider, its the cliche that its not "real mountain biking" if it doesn't involve "real mountains".

I also think this is what has led to the idea the Pinkbike field tests can't be at this place or that place. Because there are lots of places that would gladly fall over themselves to have the type of exposure a Pinkbike field test would bring.
  • 10 0
 I think the issue is that they want to test on both mellow (midwest style) trails and super gnarly ones. Squamish or other destinations have both but the Midwest has only one of the two. No big conspiracy here.
  • 2 0
 @plustiresaintdead: I'll tell you what's becoming cliche... the fairly constant references on the podcast to SQ/PNW trails being sooooooo much steeper and gnarlier than anything else anywhere, "We need more bike here because it's sooooo gnar" c'mon.
  • 6 0
 @plustiresaintdead: If you think all Midwest trails are mellow, see my first sentence above.

We may not have the extended vertical that mountain locations have, but it doesn't mean we don't have gnarly. Its a different style to be sure, with a lot more short-n-punchy climbs/descents over a given trail with far less winch-n-drop riding. That being said, for field tests, this would be a plus, not not a minus. How long are Pinkbike's test laps? 1-3 miles? That is about the average for a single trail in the Midwest. But we have a lot of systems of trails, where the mileage of the trail system is dozens of miles of trail made up of multiple trails all in a denser pack than out west. This means its easier to take a bike on a whole array of different trails while not having to drive everywhere.
  • 1 0
 @plustiresaintdead: Good point. I grew up in the midwest and spent most of my adult life there. You trail ride in the midwest and mountain bike in the mountains. Even if both things are done on a mountain bike.
  • 2 0
 @CycleKrieg: What you are saying is totally true about Midwest trails, I just don't see doing a DH or Enduro field test in Duluth or Southeast Missouri is worth it when you have SQ/PNW, Cali, Utah, Colo that have trails that these bikes were developed and made for. If your talking XC, Downcountry, or hardtails it totally makes sense.
  • 1 0
 @CycleKrieg: My point 100% still stands. Squamish (for example) still has 100% of what the midwest has and more. Sorry.
  • 1 0
 @Whataboutism: Yeah, Midwest trails aren't a place to test DH/Enduro. But that is a small portion of the MTB scene. Value bikes, hardtails, XC/DC, trail bikes, etc. could all be happily tested in the Midwest.

As to the "worth it" question, if @mikelevy PMed me today and said, "OK, we are tired of your mentioning this, show us what you got," I can guarantee you my local Chamber of Commerce would setup an all expense paid trip to my local trails for the Pinkbike crew, with food, lodging, etc. included. It wouldn't just be nice, it would be luxury nice. And I bet there are a lot of places that would do the same just for the exposure.
  • 2 3
 @CycleKrieg: Wow well I can't wait to see the field test where mike gets a comfy bed and rides bike paths.
  • 7 1
 I’m a dentist, I own a transition spur, switchblade, and specialized enduro. I buy frames only and build my bikes myself. At 43, I still frequent the bike park, I know my limits and skills and I ride within them. The dentist cliche is annoying, I have friends that spent 150K on boats, campers, etc.
  • 12 1
 I’m with you, I own Yetis(Plural) and I make far more than dentists do and hate that I get bunched in with such lower tier money makers.
  • 3 0
 Question for next week, and slightly related to your dot fluid / mineral oil conversation..... when flying with a bike does the change in pressure mess with brakes? Do they need bleeding when you arrive? And is there any difference between dot fluid and mineral oil?
  • 1 0
 afaik. and im an idiot. as long as your not riding at 30,000 feet your brakes should function the same when you get back down to the ground.
  • 6 0
 @laceloop: the cabin and cargo hold are both pressurised to 2400m (8000 feet)
  • 1 0
 @IMeasureStuff: Cool, didn't know that
  • 3 0
 for the cast's discussion of dot fluid, mineral oil, brake fluid safety, etc:
the various mineral oils that we use are indeed filled with all kinds of additives and ingredients. While DOT fluid is inherently more caustic than mineral oil, it is more regulated, with specific standards for composition and performance as set by the USA Dept of Transportation (thus DOT). because of this DOT fluid will be more consistent and interchangeable (except DOT 5, never mix that) while the various colors of mineral oil are not guarantied to work in your brakes, should not be mixed, and may even void your brake warranty.
  • 1 0
 Could be. Currently have blue fluid in front brake, pink fluid in rear brake, chased out the previous green fluid. All identical performance no issues over last couple of years of running the rainbow.
  • 3 0
 I have had AXS since it came out. I still have one full system that is over 2 years old, and i ride 5000 miles a year on rough trails. I tried a full XT 12 spd group on another bike for a couple month within that time frame to give is a fair trial. There is no question about how much better axs is. shifting, durability, convenience. Battery last between 25 and 30h of riding time, so those would have been 2 long rides! There is one major drawback vs shimano, the clutch is a lot looser on axs. But there have been a lot of clutches issue on shimano too...
  • 2 4
 totally, yes, correct, piss off Henry!
  • 1 0
 I do with the clutch was stronger
  • 3 0
 The description of euro riders reminds me of the dudes from the Czech Republic. Whenever I ride Spicak Bike Park there's several guys with hardly and body armour, no visor on the helmet, clapped out 2005 bikes with bold tires. Sometimes they wear hockey shirts, too. One could think these guys would not make the first corner. Guess what, they don't give a wet c*nt suck. They let their old as shit bikes fly down the trails with no regards for modern equipment. They are a pleasure to watch. And they like a beer after the ride. And before and also in between uplifts. Legends.
  • 2 0
 Not every "Sprinter" van costs $150K. Even if you buy a brand new basic van it's $40K to $60K. I got my 2016 RAM Promaster used in 2017 for $22K and in the past 4 years put about $10K or less converting it to a full RV. So I could build out almost 2 to 4 vans for the price of a single 4x4 Revel.
  • 2 0
This question is from the cliches podcast, #114. The crew was talking about how you don’t necessarily need Maxxis tires to ride hard. Palmer threw out that he didn’t think the DHF was the best front tire for the PNW winter. But no one offered better alternatives. What tires make the short list for PNW winters? Favorite tire combos?
  • 1 0
 Lets have the next video made start with a person waking up totally hating life. Cut to drinking some horrible looking energy drink, instead of coffee. Stumbing around their beater van looking for dirty clothes to wear for the day, and falling out. Then having their bike have a flat tire so they have to fix it, and then when they start off the chain breaks and they fall over and there is much swearing. Then get to the shredding. It'll be the anti cliche.
  • 1 0
 Lol. I used to write bike PDP... Though it definitely got easier with time, as things do, I didn't exactly look forward to writing 'shred', 'gnar, or 'efficiency' every other paragraph, or how an extra millimeter of reach would make the rider so much faster. Still, fun job. Criminally underpaid. I like to think it would be much more enjoyable (and much better compensated) if I had worked directly for a bike brand instead of the reseller.
  • 4 0
 I'm gonna try to save the rest of us the trouble of figuring it out and declare that you probably meant "Product Detail Pages".
  • 2 0
 @barp: Argh, more industry cliches. But yes. Thank you.
  • 1 0
 @cgreaseman: Haha, cheers!
  • 2 0
 Just loving 4 PB casts within a week or 8 days? PB cast heaven. Kaz & Levy are my Friday Morning Fart song radio DJ replacements with the Monster, but not the monster truck corn
  • 3 0
 I roosted the berm but had to dab as I pumped the rhythm section which made things a little loose for my sick whip off the double which resulted in a bail.
  • 1 0
 I was hiking with a friend recently in the Belcher Hill area(nasty climb that) and was shocked that 80% of the bikes I saw were e-bikes. It was early season, so maybe that's why. The non-e-bikes had riders who were worked and the e-bikers were just out having a fun. I use that hill as a climb to keep me humble when I start to feel strong.
  • 1 0
 All the dentist now ride a aero gravel bikes and call it new breeze in the mtbscene. I was like gtfo with this BS but my teeth are fkd up from all the Monster energy drinks suggested by Levy trough out years. Now buying some lycra myself to get a discount.
  • 1 0
 I'm going to wager that the most overused cliché on Pinkbike - or in this case, more of a linguistic crutch - is @mikekazimer long term love affair with the word "affair." Don't believe me? Throw this in your Google search bar: kazimer affair

Now, while Mike has moved on from the term; it seems like @henryquinney has picked up right where Mike left off in his new write up on the Unno Boös.

(I kid because I love you - seriously)
  • 1 1
 Question for @mikekazimer @mikelevy @henryquinney: my code R brakes say "Dot 5.1 or Dot 4" on the backside (facing rider), but a few buds of mine insist you cannot run Dot 4 in them or Code RSCs So why would SRAM include "Dot 4" in text on the back of the brake? Is Dot 4 a weaker oil / fluid?
  • 6 1
 The question is not “why would SRAM include DOT4” but “why would my friend insist it’s not?”

It’s possible there are performance or longevity tradeoffs with different fluids. But it’s not possible that SRAM went to the trouble of intentionally molding, stamping or etching a specification that’s totally out of bounds directly on the product.
  • 2 0
 definitely use the specific dot fluid that is etched into the lever or cylinder. The manufacturer designed and tested the brake with that particular fluid; using something with a different viscosity or boiling point may make the brake behave wrong-ish.

That said: If you only have one or the other on hand, you can mix them or use them interchangeably without damaging the brake.
  • 2 2
 @sharpGT: It may also damage seals or parts. It's not just temperature range that's the difference between the DOTs.
  • 4 0
 They're compatible with each other. The only difference is the boiling point but both should be more than sufficiently high for bicycle applications. Sram knows what they're doing.
  • 4 0
 @jeremy3220: Yeah, to elaborate: DOT 3, 4, and 5.1 are all similar with just increasing boiling points and won't melt your seals if you mix them up. DOT 5.0, however, is a completely different formulation.
  • 4 0
 Dot 5.1 and DOT 4.0 and DOT 3.0 are glycol based, so can be used interchangeably, Dot 5.0 is silicone based so shouldn't be used in glycol based systems. The difference between 3.0, 4.0 and 5.1 are the boiling points (5.1 having the highest).
  • 3 0
 @blackhat @sharpGT @Explodo @Jeremy3220 @barp @solephaedrus - great info, much obliged. I prob shoulda looked up an article here / online 1st but was just rambling w/ the DOT comment on the cast. Good to know... as you may know DOT 4 is totally affordable while DOT 5 is a complete & total ripoff, even at car parts stores so Eff 5.1 if 4 works. I'm about to bleed (doing that every 6 mos or so) and didn't wanna wreck the lines.

A more fun story: accidentally mixed 0w30 into my lines thinking it was DOT 5.1 (same small bottle size) so that took about 3 flushes to get rid of completely - I didn't realize the mistake for weeks when I went to get my 0w30 and found the 5.1 instead, realized the mistake. Oddly - no wrecks, couldn't really tell the difference. Stopping power seemed to be the same. Maybe I'm just not sensitive but...yeah, glad there wasn't a major wreck over it.
  • 1 1
 New parts! My wife got me some EEWings cranks for Christmas...every time I look at them I feel fancy. Glance down riding, feel amazing because they're beautiful. I get dazzled by them...not due to price, but by beauty alone. They're the absolute top of the mountain of "awesome but not necessary."

And DOT fluid is nasty. Spend time around old cars that have had leaks from the brake or clutch systems and you'll find that the paint is missing in those areas.
  • 5 0
 DOT is nasty - lots of experience with it from car brakes - but it's never as messy and gross when you're working on DOT mountain bike brakes. Sure, it's going to do bad things if you leave the stuff on your carbon frame, but just wipe it off with alcohol or brake clean. I've seen a bunch of people say they prefer mineral oil systems over DOT because it won't wreck your paint, but just don't leave it on your paint...?

I think that I'd just want whatever system works best, regardless of if the fluid it uses isn't very nice for things Smile
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: True, but what about unknown leaks? How about if you have a slow leak at the caliper and don't notice until your paint/frame is already ruined?
  • 1 1
 @Explodo: if you didn’t notice until your paint is ruined (DOT doesn’t corrode aluminum, like what calipers are made of) then you probably weren’t braking hard enough
  • 4 1
 Is it possible that mountain biking's not big or interesting enough to talk about all day long?
  • 5 0
 Thank god I only need to talk about it for an hour in the podcast!
  • 1 0
 I kid you not, a few weeks ago I saw a guy riding an e bike on my local trail smoking a cigarette on the climb. It was the first day I ever saw more Ebikes on the trail than mountain bikes.
  • 2 0
 You forgot 'hero dirt'. There's people with t-shirts that say it. Cringe worthy!
  • 2 0
 Dammit, we're going to have to do a second podcast if I keep reading these comments
  • 3 0
 Dog article was the best. That’s what I said! Hypotenuse!!!
  • 2 0
 I've always hated the automotive simile, corners like a Porsche, accelerates like a Lamborghini.
  • 1 0
 Wait, so... relatively poorly?
  • 3 0
 Live in the PNW: check.
4Runner: check.
Rooftop tent: check.

  • 2 0
 We joke, but it's a killer setup that makes all the sense in the world.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: correction: only with kdss. The rest drive like ass.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: the joke is on you, Squamish ( or southern BC) isn't the Pacific North West.
  • 3 0
 Can we get a bike check on Henry’s spire?
  • 3 0
 Fave new/old cliche

“BMX background”
  • 3 0
 When will Henry's face be added to the podcast banner?
  • 4 0
 Once he’s not an intern, yes
  • 1 0
 I am a PhD not a dentist but have had 2 Yeti's. My last one got used and was stolen. I am on a Stumpy evo now, I couldn't pay the Yeti tax. My stumpy wasn't cheap either
  • 2 0
 People who say "cheers" after every mtb statement. Cheers!
  • 3 1
 I hate folks that use cheers as their signoff at work. Comes off as fake 100% of the time
  • 2 0
 @mtmc99: Depends if they are drunk at the time.
  • 1 0
 wrong wrong wrong and wrong Henry, the shifting is excellent and its clean lines, 2 cables gone!
  • 1 0
 If my dentist owns Huffy or cheapo bike, I am going to change my dentist...
  • 1 0
 What's the worst mtb video cliche, and why is it AWOLNATION?
  • 1 0
  • 5 4
 sustainability reports
  • 6 0
 Those are too new to be cliche, but give it a year or two haha
  • 1 1
 Hotels aren't close to trails in most cases.
  • 8 0
 What i was thinking when I heard this:

Most hotels cost between $100-$160 a night, probably on the higher end or more in touristy mountain towns during peak season. $100,000/$130=760 nights in a hotel.

But having a sprinter as a daily driver, the cost of diesel, the insanely expensive maintenance on those things, and the fact that it's likely more expensive than 100 grand. It doesn't make sense unless you live in it full time.

It's funny when I lived in a 2003 e-150, and spent all my free time riding (which i had loads of, because i was unemployed or working long chunks of time building trails with ample time off in between), I'd often get laughed at by sprinter owners or others not aquatinted with the dirt bag life, at the trailhead when I pulled in with two bikes more expensive than the van. I couldn't help but think, all i do is ride and then go drink beer in the desert and eat damn good food and have no debt or worries, while this guy probably has to go have a zoom meeting and stare at a computer for hours tomorrow. Who should be laughing?

Wow, really let that rant go.
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