For years, the name Marzocchi was synonymous with freeriding – think Wade Simmons hucking over a jacked-up pickup truck, or Richie Schley riding a super-steep rock face in Whistler. But those memories are nearly 15 years old now, and in more recent years Marzocchi's presence in the sport diminished. Rumors swirled about the company's demise, and then, in 2016, Fox Racing Shox announced they had acquired certain assets from Marzocchi's mountain bike product lines.
Things were pretty quiet for the last two season, but that's about to change. Backed by Fox, Marzocchi is ramping it up again, entering the market with two new forks that are meant to re-establish their reputation for plush, durable, and bombproof suspension: the single crown Z1 and the dual crown 58.
Marzocchi Bomber Z1 Details• EVOL air spring
• GRIP Sweep damper with adjustable rebound and LSC
• 15 x 110mm spacing
• 27.5" or 29" options
• Colors: gloss red, matte black
• Travel: 130-170mm (29"), 150-180mm (27.5")
• Price: $699 USD
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www.marzocchi.com
The air-sprung Z1 is aimed at riders looking for a long-travel single crown fork that's simple to set up, and that can take a beating out on the trail. Travel options range from 150-180mm in 10mm increments for 27.5” wheels, and from 130-170mm for 29” wheels, also in 10mm increments. The gloss red finish is eye-catching, but there's also a more subdued matte black option.
What's Inside?
The Z1 has externally adjustable rebound and low-speed compression damping via Fox's GRIP damper. Previously, that damper was only found in forks that came on complete bikes – it was aimed at OEMs, and wasn't available as an aftermarket option. The GRIP damper uses a spring-backed internal floating piston to compensate for the oil as the fork is compressed, a design that's common in the motorcycle world.
The GRIP damper's spring-backed IFP.
As it turned out, that simple-but-effective damper received
glowing reviews, which is why this year you'll find a modified version of it, called GRIP2, in Fox's highest end 36 and 40 forks. The GRIP damper found in the Z1 doesn't offer quite as many external adjustments as GRIP2, but the overall concept remains the same. Rebound is adjusted via a dial hidden under the black cap on the right leg, and the oversized gold dial at the top adjusts the compression.
The Z1's 36mm chassis is constructed from 6000-series aluminum, which does add a little weight, but also helps to reduce the final cost. Our 170mm test fork weighed in at 2,210-grams, or around 150-grams more than a 2019 Fox 36.
Ride ImpressionsI have fond memories of riding Marzocchi forks over the years, dating all the way back to a red Z2 Atom Bomb I had 1998, so I'll admit that seeing that M logo on the cardboard box that the new Z1 arrived in sent me on a trip down memory lane. Flashback finished, I mounted up the 170mm Z1 to the front of a Nukeproof Mega 290, adjusted the air pressure (the fork came with one volume spacer already installed), and hit the trails.
There aren't any detents on the low-speed compression dial, so if you're extra-picky you may need to make a little indicator with a paint pen on the crown to mark the sweet spot. That dial provides a wide range of adjustment; the fork is extremely plush in the open position, and it's virtually locked out in the firmest setting. I settled on positioning it about 1/8 of the way through its range – that gave me the support I was looking for while still retaining plenty of buttery suppleness.
With a price tag of roughly $300 USD less than the top-of-the-line options from Fox and RockShox, the Z1 may be positioned as more of a budget fork, but its performance out on the trail certainly doesn't reflect that. It's smooth, silent, and remains composed in even the chunkiest, most chopped up sections of trail – there's not much more you could ask for. In fact, I'm having trouble remembering the last time I had a fork feel this good right out of the box, no matter the price.
It's still early on in the test period – I only have a handful of rides in on the Z1 so far – but my first impressions are very positive. I'll be trying to find the limits of its performance and assessing its durability in the coming months – keep an eye out for a long-term review later this year.
Marzocchi Bomber 58 Marzocchi also has a new dual crown fork on the way, the 58. The 58 has 40mm stanchions, and it uses 20 x 110 non-Boost spacing at the dropouts. That will be welcome news for riders in the market for a new fork who don't want to deal with the hassle of finding adaptors to make their wheels fit Boost 110 spacing.
Like the Z1, the 58 is air-sprung, uses a GRIP damper, and has externally adjustable rebound and low-speed compression damping. For now, the 58 will be available with 203mm of travel for 27.5” wheels in either a gloss red or matte black. MSRP: $999 USD
Bomber 58
• 203mm travel
• Wheelsize: 27.5"
• 20 x 110 (non-Boost) spacing
• New 40mm chassis with Marzocchi specific lower casting
• FIT GRIP damper with compression and rebound adjustment
• EVOL air spring
• Gloss red or matte black graphics
• MSRP: $999 USD
When you clearly see there's a market for coil forks (with decent dampers aka FOX) seems like a missed opportunity to launch something under FOX which is actually different.
Just go a (really) long staircase with both and I believe it will be really apparent.Long repeated hits on mid-stroke.
Granted I probably never used top of the line air forks, but Coil/Air Preload on Marzocchi 44 was the most supple I ever tried, only the brake dive let it down because Marzocchi branded these cheap forks hence didn't use the best dampers.
Plus its cheaper and more reliable (lower pressures and more oil), just guessing but they could probably release something really nice,even cheaper and not resembling a FOX budget clone.
So no Fox's (and the industry's in general) service intervals are not reasonable!
Bottom line... maintain your stuff and you'll be fine.
Plus it would just make sense.
@onemanarmy I rode mine into the ground too and they lasted far longer than any fork I've owned for the past few years.
Open Bath is somewhat unnecessary in my opinion. Air springs technology has improved a great deal in even the last 3 years. So I don't know if it's necessarily bravery... it's business and technology driven.
One year or 125hrs revision ? Bullshit In the case the major part from real mountain bikers will need a full revision with full seals and bushings and even stanchions.
In other words they say.Go ride ,dont bother us meawhyle with small things like cleaning and (almost no) oil change.We think great we are great.
We give you one year until we give you another wallet weight loss tunning.
That's what I'm getting at. Name one budget fork that retains the top damping system that is not DVO.
Second the budget "fit" damper doesn't use the same design. It uses a spring loaded ifp instead of a bladder. And the lowers are all instead of mag.
Sorry.
Maybe you can find one.
It's a Diamond new for 615$ with less Ott adjustment and 3 position lsc instead of 6.
Name a better fork for the price with the ability to call and chat at anytime with the maker?
And Ronnie makes it seem like I am the only person in the world when I talk to him.
Maybe mrp would be the other one.
Not a shill just love their stuff and customer service.
@drjonnywonderboy: hehe I have a 2003 Shiver SC. It leaks through top caps if you flip the bike upside down... Also damping is absolute sht. I threw Reba on and it may feel like a pogo stick but it stays high in it's travel. Unless I can source X-Firm springs for my Shiver I'm not mounting it on my bike. Amazing tracking, amazing front end grip but dives like a Scottsman for a penny
anyways, i am looking for a new fork, what do you guys think? go tried and true with the fox 40, or go DVO onyx? i have a 2017 rs team atm and i need to get rid of it asap. anyone up for a trade? lol
Sure was rad to look at though. Still love looking at it. I'm going to post some picts up side by side with my current build for comparison sake. LOL!
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I have tested many modern forks.
I am not a fan of "platform" it's a crutch for people who don't like the fork to be exceptionally active.
I find most modern forks to feel crappy on small bumps and feel like I'm only using half the travel.
I prefer my 55 Ti sprung rc3 don't mind the extra weight .
Truly appreciate how my arms feel fresh after an epic three hour ride.
Actually all my bikes use vintage Marz forks . Change the oil once a year and just ride.
To each his own.
Puny carts with a spoonful of oil to save weight is not my idea of an ideal fork.
I have some 2016 350crs at the moment and they are shite too, massive stiction, awful body jarring damping spikes on big hits and loads of wallowy dive when cornering and on steep stuff, just can't find a set up where they really work anything close to the level of a budget fox fork. Not to mention marzocchi customer support literally doesn't exist, zero responses to numerous emails and dm's.
I would have been happy to have seen the end of the brand and resigned to the history books.
Service your own shit. Those were the days.
Oh yeah... oooooh yeaaaaah
Funnily enough I was talking to a mate about this last night. I dread to think what the turn around time will be on this servicing in future if we leave the customs union. Oh well, yet another thing to piss me off about my country's decision.
Let’s have a glowing orange and gold open oil bath and coil version - I’m nostalgic
Hahahah
A friend of mine ran his old 888R without any oil at all for almost a year. The damn thing did not stop working!
Ok, there was no damping of course, but it was going rather smooth and was actually rideable for the whole time.
Those things were frickin tanks.
Please do not ask me why he did it though...
I would buy this in a hearthbeat
Currently on Vengeance HLR- comes very close to the Marzocchi- Feel... hope it will also need that much service
Straight steer for the poor people using older bikes
one is enough
I think that Skoda is better than VW. Less expensive and more or less the same car
>depressive suicidal Black metal
don't worry you gonna grow up
to friends of mine hat the same model you got, both cars 12 month apart. One was craftmanship of heaven, the newer one had an interior so badly made you could push cardboard through the holes in the interior.
Hope fox wont make the same curtesy calls to italy
there is nothing on the market for me to buy to replace my old forks. maybe only cane creak helm but thats a lot of $$$
Okay buddy- way to go to be the tough guy here.
A air sprung fork will never be as smooth as a coil- you cant neglect the added friction....
You cant top this- and performance wise the HLR damper is as good if not better than Srams/ Foxs charger/ fit etc.
Fox introduces "new" GRIP damper in their forks, which is essentially the same old DBC CR with a few tweaks and adds a boatload of marketing to it
No more old CTD stuff in low-end and middle-end segments - everybody says 'hooray' and praises the new damper.
Fox reintroduces Marzo forks without the top tier with advanced versions of DBC: c2r2 and lcr/ncr, which are more costly to produce and there is no need for them, cause they have original FIT damper for the top tier forks
....
profit!
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that's what i call creative trail maintenance
Although I guess it would maybe be silly to drop an expensive coil into a budget fork, but I would want to do it for nostalgia.
M arch is nice to see too.
Well if price be dammed, didn't you essentially have this experience when you reviewed the 2 new fox forks as well?I think that happened in your prior review of the Fox 36. Slightly better internals. Slightly higher price. Why not just come out and say it. This fork is for people who want to ride the high-end fox stuff but can't afford to buy it. At the end of the day it is a Fox Fork.
To the youngers and the memory lost ones: when the evolution of the sport and the market ask heavy stuff Marzo made 888,s , Shivers and Monsters till 300mm stroke Tooday it seems an absurd BUT the fact is that they have the willing and the audacity to go foward.The freeride movement was with Marzo as the only product wich can andle the abuse.
Years and years that nobody else have the reliability of putt on the market a single crown fork with more than 160mm.
Marzo have it with 170mm and 180mm alone .
Not everything was perfect ,in some places the support from Marzo was bad.But they deserve a better place at the sun that the one is given now at the shadow.
Most of the Marzocchi people left the bike industry 10+ years ago.
I know pretty well because I used to talk to them at shows 10-15 years ago. One of them was involved with Marzocchi from early stages with significant input and ideas, however all the forks of the glory days were always produced and engineered in italy.
In the past year I read interviews and podcasts with DVO about Marzocchi and it seems a little biased.
Same questions 15 years ago had a different answer. Nowdays no one from the real Marzocchi is involved with the company to reply. Marzocchi MTB ceased when they sold it to tecno 10+ years ago.
That said, the first time I rode a DVO diamond without knowing the DVO/Marzocchi association, I felt it very similar to a Z1 from the late 90's. If people want something close to Marzocchi, they may be better off with DVO than Fox.
Once tecno took over, marzocchi team unfolded, and marzocchi usa was at the helm the forks were not quite as good. At least this is what I remember to hear from people in the industry.
You may have misunderstood as they will tell you the opposite.
My point is marzocchi usa was very important. They had good ideas. These ideas went back and forth with the mothership. Then become reality Thanks to Marzocchi in Italy. They had the moto association and could make things happen. Fox, RS, manitou were toys in comparison.
Then Marzocchi was sold to tecno, the Italy crew changed and forks were produced in Asia. This is the “bad” Marzocchi which ended around the same time Marzocchi usa left and founded dvo.
If dvo claims to be the guys from “good” Marzocchi days, then they were the guys from “bad” Marzocchi as well.
I like dvo forks, they feel similar to “good” Marzocchi, but they miss the engineering and factory that made Marzocchi Stand above others. They miss some other Marzocchi trademarks as well I.e. easy service etc.
Someone in a thread on here or mtbr tried to say they were full of it and only a marketing team.
The truth came out about Bryson having final say on designs dating back to 90s.
They most certainly were in on design process.
The argument was in the middle of another thread and will be hard to find.
Then I will bookmark it and have a link Everytime this comes up.????
Make yourself a favour and try to source some interviews with Marzocchi from before 2008. Then read recent dvo interviews.
They can say whatever they want nowdays becuase no one from the original marzocchi will ever reply.
I am not sure how old you are, but back then it was pretty clear who did what.
They are definitely way more the maketing team than the engineers. And it shows with all the issues dvo forks have had.
Calling people liars and saying they are taking credit for something they didn't do.
That's what you are doing.
I don't think you know shit and are talking out the ass because you had a 5 min conversation with them 15 years ago.
GTFO.
I'm done.
Once again talking out the ass try using the other end for once.
I have had my diamond since 2014 with zero issues.
Even talked me through a Shimano stack mod over the phone.
You are just a shit slinger.
You like green? Do you always believe what people tell you?
Try to find old magazines with marzocchi interviews from before 2007/8
Or try to search online within a date range.
Then come back here and apologize.
I liked the stuff Marzocchi was making in 2015/6, this new course is just as bad as when the company was sold to tennco.
This is just a cheap version of a fox fork, cheaper to produce.
Did't even bother to make it look different.
actually its pretty smart, r&d cost are minimal because you are just re-branding stuff and with known brand you can reach
to new customers (who in future may be interested in your higher end products)
why did they spend the money for the molds if that's all this is?
they say its alunimum chassis above. and they say its got the GRIP damper. nothing ctrazy going on with the air spring....what is left big dog?
do they still have cachet as an OEM offering? i'd think Joe Blow buying an entry level bike would gravitate toward a fox fork rather than marz.
Sorry, I need orange Z1’s only. NEXT!
P.S. I already sold my three bikes and quit MTB because of all the new "standards" popping up, but I would just like to know
Fox, stop f*cking this up.
The 380c2r2 ti is the best evolution of the 888 (i've owned both), and it's still a MZ with a modern cartridge (dbc is the perfect mix between a (fox)fit cartridge and an open bath) and less weight than the awesome 888
My old 66rc2x was the best fork i've ridden before my 380c2r2 Ti !
But now... MZ is dead for 2019..
So young X2 shock and have to bo rectified in a few parameters that didnt work ?The test period was done with a kindergarden kids or with their grandmothers bikes ?
Oh ,and why did the hell of a bunch of tunners like Push and sons are dedicated to tunne fox ?Why people send them their products spending more £££€€€$$$ than already spend in buying them ?
At their site the products dont seem perfect with all the tricks explained ?Is that true or are they lying to us and in the real world the things dont match and have to be rectified ?
Both with coil options
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HSC ??
All Tenneco guys should be fired and in jail and sodomized buy bulls for what they made and to be so stupid idiots and greedy.
Next fox is doing what a lot of people said that they will do : Dont let Marzo have its own proud.
Their forks start (FOX) with tolerance imprecision ,leaking oil from the legs and even today they do the same.One year or 125hrs revision ? Bullshit In the case the major part from mountain bikers will need a full revision with full seals and bushings and even stanchions.
Its easy, is just listening what people say and demand here .Low maintenance reliable product.Coil is and wil be back.More oil lubricating those legs and seals.A effective rebound cartridge and some compression control.
Why not a high end models with more accurate controls for who whants to pay ?
Z1 one was a benchmark ?Only Z1 ? And the 66 ?And the 888 ? And the Shiver ?
Listen to those who say that RC3 Evo and R2C2 models work as no other.
Great to see Giant wenting to DVO .Great cut to you Fox .
should have put numbering ?was it worth ?maybe not
Over to intend I go for my next fork.
This is not fox being nice and keeping a name alive. It's a smoke screen to cover up usual corporate shenanigans behind the scenes. Not like any one would have batted an eyelid if fox Brought the oe variants of the 36 and 40 to the market, which is what they have done here under the marzocchi name. Purely a shill operation now. Best thing they could do is strip the ip like they have and give the name back to marzocchi moto who is now a co-op operating out of the old Italian factory run by its workers. Let them bring back the Italian flare that has been robbed from us all.