Marzocchi's New Bomber Z1 Fork - First Ride

Apr 10, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  
For years, the name Marzocchi was synonymous with freeriding – think Wade Simmons hucking over a jacked-up pickup truck, or Richie Schley riding a super-steep rock face in Whistler. But those memories are nearly 15 years old now, and in more recent years Marzocchi's presence in the sport diminished. Rumors swirled about the company's demise, and then, in 2016, Fox Racing Shox announced they had acquired certain assets from Marzocchi's mountain bike product lines.

Things were pretty quiet for the last two season, but that's about to change. Backed by Fox, Marzocchi is ramping it up again, entering the market with two new forks that are meant to re-establish their reputation for plush, durable, and bombproof suspension: the single crown Z1 and the dual crown 58.


Marzocchi Bomber Z1 Details

• EVOL air spring
• GRIP Sweep damper with adjustable rebound and LSC
• 15 x 110mm spacing
• 27.5" or 29" options
• Colors: gloss red, matte black
• Travel: 130-170mm (29"), 150-180mm (27.5")
• Price: $699 USD
www.marzocchi.com


Marzocchi 2019 Z1

The air-sprung Z1 is aimed at riders looking for a long-travel single crown fork that's simple to set up, and that can take a beating out on the trail. Travel options range from 150-180mm in 10mm increments for 27.5” wheels, and from 130-170mm for 29” wheels, also in 10mm increments. The gloss red finish is eye-catching, but there's also a more subdued matte black option.


Marzocchi 2019 Z1
The Z1's lowers provide plenty of room to fit a wide tire with room to spare - a 2.5" Maxxis Minion DHF is pictured.

What's Inside?

The Z1 has externally adjustable rebound and low-speed compression damping via Fox's GRIP damper. Previously, that damper was only found in forks that came on complete bikes – it was aimed at OEMs, and wasn't available as an aftermarket option. The GRIP damper uses a spring-backed internal floating piston to compensate for the oil as the fork is compressed, a design that's common in the motorcycle world.

Fox 34 Grip
The GRIP damper's spring-backed IFP.

As it turned out, that simple-but-effective damper received glowing reviews, which is why this year you'll find a modified version of it, called GRIP2, in Fox's highest end 36 and 40 forks. The GRIP damper found in the Z1 doesn't offer quite as many external adjustments as GRIP2, but the overall concept remains the same. Rebound is adjusted via a dial hidden under the black cap on the right leg, and the oversized gold dial at the top adjusts the compression.

The Z1's 36mm chassis is constructed from 6000-series aluminum, which does add a little weight, but also helps to reduce the final cost. Our 170mm test fork weighed in at 2,210-grams, or around 150-grams more than a 2019 Fox 36.


Marzocchi 2019 Z1
Low-speed compression damping is adjusted by turning the large gold dial that sits atop the right leg.
Marzocchi 2019 Z1
Both QR and bolt-on thru-axles will be available for the Z1.


Ride Impressions

I have fond memories of riding Marzocchi forks over the years, dating all the way back to a red Z2 Atom Bomb I had 1998, so I'll admit that seeing that M logo on the cardboard box that the new Z1 arrived in sent me on a trip down memory lane. Flashback finished, I mounted up the 170mm Z1 to the front of a Nukeproof Mega 290, adjusted the air pressure (the fork came with one volume spacer already installed), and hit the trails.

There aren't any detents on the low-speed compression dial, so if you're extra-picky you may need to make a little indicator with a paint pen on the crown to mark the sweet spot. That dial provides a wide range of adjustment; the fork is extremely plush in the open position, and it's virtually locked out in the firmest setting. I settled on positioning it about 1/8 of the way through its range – that gave me the support I was looking for while still retaining plenty of buttery suppleness.

With a price tag of roughly $300 USD less than the top-of-the-line options from Fox and RockShox, the Z1 may be positioned as more of a budget fork, but its performance out on the trail certainly doesn't reflect that. It's smooth, silent, and remains composed in even the chunkiest, most chopped up sections of trail – there's not much more you could ask for. In fact, I'm having trouble remembering the last time I had a fork feel this good right out of the box, no matter the price.

It's still early on in the test period – I only have a handful of rides in on the Z1 so far – but my first impressions are very positive. I'll be trying to find the limits of its performance and assessing its durability in the coming months – keep an eye out for a long-term review later this year.



Marzocchi 2019 58

Marzocchi Bomber 58

Marzocchi also has a new dual crown fork on the way, the 58. The 58 has 40mm stanchions, and it uses 20 x 110 non-Boost spacing at the dropouts. That will be welcome news for riders in the market for a new fork who don't want to deal with the hassle of finding adaptors to make their wheels fit Boost 110 spacing.

Like the Z1, the 58 is air-sprung, uses a GRIP damper, and has externally adjustable rebound and low-speed compression damping. For now, the 58 will be available with 203mm of travel for 27.5” wheels in either a gloss red or matte black. MSRP: $999 USD
Bomber 58
• 203mm travel
• Wheelsize: 27.5"
• 20 x 110 (non-Boost) spacing
• New 40mm chassis with Marzocchi specific lower casting
• FIT GRIP damper with compression and rebound adjustment
• EVOL air spring
• Gloss red or matte black graphics
• MSRP: $999 USD


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350 Comments

  • + 105
 Just a little disappointed - I was hoping Marzocchi would stand for coil-sprung in the new Fox order, or at least provide for it in ways that Fox now isn't. Still looks promising.
  • + 15
 They have the 380 which is coil
  • - 11
flag mattradical (Apr 10, 2018 at 8:18) (Below Threshold)
 Push that shit ASC3
  • + 32
 Yeah, I was hoping the same thing. A Bomber Z1 coil sprung would seem to me to be a no brainer!
  • + 42
 Nope because the at would then make them better performing than the air sprung 36
  • + 153
 Can't win. A solid performing fork for $699 with known reputation (fox)....... You guys are always clamoring for less expensive stuff, and here is. I would pick this over some of the more questionable budget fork on the market.
  • + 42
 I'm stoked on the price. Aftermarket forks are usually so unreasonable. $699 is like £490 full retail. By the time you've got a discount on there that's super super reasonable compared to a Fox 36, Lyrik etc
  • + 12
 @DARKSTAR63: yep! The human nature of never being happy!
  • + 6
 @seismicninja: doesn't the release of the new fork mean that they will discontinue the 380?
  • + 76
 Im ok with air performance, just hoping marzocchcihichicccccci brings the old reliability. 10 years is an ideal service interval imo.
  • + 10
 @BryceBorlick: Drinking already? so early in the morning?
  • + 14
 All I wanted was a 29er 350 ti
  • + 4
 @DARKSTAR63: well said.
  • + 16
 literally cant please anyone anymore. Im stoked on the new options
  • + 7
 @tom666: I'm betting they'll be more than that by the time the greedy b@stards at Silverfish have whacked their mark up on them.
  • + 7
 @BryceBorlick: I had a pair of Junior T's that I rode on and off for ten years then changed the oil. Good as new after that.
  • - 14
flag miguelcurto (Apr 10, 2018 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 No coil with Air Preload? Marzocchi dropped the ball once again. Amazing how they keep still doing all the wrong choices at the worst times.
When you clearly see there's a market for coil forks (with decent dampers aka FOX) seems like a missed opportunity to launch something under FOX which is actually different.
  • + 9
 @hamncheez: he’s on 500ml of 5WT tripple malt Whiskey. And that’s only for one leg!
  • + 25
 @miguelcurto: Air springs are actually really good right now. They have adjustable spring rates which is a huge asset and you can adjust them to have great small bump compliance. Not sure why everyone is so desperate for coil.
  • + 9
 That was my hope when I heard fox bought them out. Marz would be a bit heavier, all coil, all mindlessly reliable. Fox would be lighter, air, more cutting edge. I will keep my 350r until I kill it and then maybe get an MRP with coil.
  • + 8
 @hamncheez: you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning...
  • + 4
 @acetasting1992:

Just go a (really) long staircase with both and I believe it will be really apparent.Long repeated hits on mid-stroke.
Granted I probably never used top of the line air forks, but Coil/Air Preload on Marzocchi 44 was the most supple I ever tried, only the brake dive let it down because Marzocchi branded these cheap forks hence didn't use the best dampers.
Plus its cheaper and more reliable (lower pressures and more oil), just guessing but they could probably release something really nice,even cheaper and not resembling a FOX budget clone.
  • + 7
 @BryceBorlick: It has a Fox damper. So it will be as reliable as a Fox. Meaning incredibly frequent servicing.
  • + 4
 @miguelcurto: how do you figure they know there is a market for coil? Do you think they come on here and read all the whiney comments about coils( I doubt it). Lol I remember a decade ago when the rolls were reversed and everyone was begging for air suspension. If you want coil go get a fork like the helm its that simple.
  • + 10
 @JumpsCrashPain: Fox's recommended service intervals are quite reasonable - they recommend a full service once every 125 hours, or yearly, whichever comes first.
  • + 9
 @mikekazimer: The last Marzocchi Fork I used (RC3 Ti) would apparently go fo 3 years without a service... I fiddled with mine after 2 years and it all the internals were still sweat.
So no Fox's (and the industry's in general) service intervals are not reasonable!
  • + 16
 @T1mb0, remember, those intervals are suggested, not mandatory. You can go longer if you want before a service, but to ensure the best possible performance it's really not a big deal to change the oil once a year - that seems pretty reasonable to me.
  • + 48
 We asked president Trump about his mountain bike. - I run Marzocchi, good Italian brand, very strong, bery reliable, powerful. Very powerful. I actually service it myself . I am the best fork mechanic you will ever meet. I tune my suspension. Very well. Very thoroughly. - how much oil do you put in it Sir? - Gallons and gallons and gallons and gallons, gallons, gallons and gallons
  • + 3
 @T1mb0: I blew the hell out of my Marz fork. It did not go 3 years. LOL!

Bottom line... maintain your stuff and you'll be fine.
  • + 6
 @mhoshal: I don't know, not gonna argue why, but I suspect if Push, MRP, Canecreek, TFTuned are ripping the coil mania why can't Marzocchi?
Plus it would just make sense.
  • + 4
 @miguelcurto: well which one of those many brands that you mentioned are you riding right now? If you have a coil fork then why bitch at Marzocchi you already have a coil. If not you can't really say shit because there are enough coil option forks to go around go buy one already and quit bitching. Its called put your money where your mouth is. All these people complaining they want coil but none are actually gonna buy the coil fork anyway lol. I wonder how many people that are praising the helm for being coil are actually riding one. Im gonna guess not very many considering its the same people bitching about coil on every brands fork reviews...
  • + 5
 @mhoshal: It's funny because all coil options now are boutique choices and expensive and some years back were the cheap option. I can't afford those but this Z1 seems at good price point and I reallyze it could be even cheaper on coil/air preload plus it would probably be much more reliable and maintenance friendly. As it is I'm saving for a coil conversion for my second hand Revelation DP that some crazy guys sell as improvement tweak, go figure why.
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: If only a yearly oil change was all they needed, but we all know it involves more than that. Don't get me wrong I love working on my bike but we also all know that they can do far better for the price they charge. Although no one seems brave enough to release a proper open bath coil fork anymore

@onemanarmy I rode mine into the ground too and they lasted far longer than any fork I've owned for the past few years.
  • + 2
 @T1mb0: I still have mine. LOL! I wouldn't recommend riding it but it's cool to look at.

Open Bath is somewhat unnecessary in my opinion. Air springs technology has improved a great deal in even the last 3 years. So I don't know if it's necessarily bravery... it's business and technology driven.
  • + 1
 Uhhh they already have a coil sprung fork...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: this one wins. Bigly. All the others are losers.
  • + 0
 @sambs827: they told me, We don’t want to service our forks every 25 hours, mhwe mhwe mhweee and I said: Listen mthr fkrs, service every 25 hours.
  • - 2
 @miguelcurto: have fun man I run the rev dual air(not dual position) on my giant reign and I'd never switch it to coil. The only thing I run coil is my fox 40 all my rear shox are air and I'd never switch back to coil.
  • + 4
 What’s with all the love for coil? Air forks these days are already amazing. With Marzocchi, after-market consumers have access to the GRIP damper that everyone seems loving atm at a killer price. But hey, let’s bash on Marzocchi for not doing what we want them to do.
  • + 9
 Funny. That damper was marzocchi, and it was called DBC. Then fox bought marzocchi and renamed it GRIP. Now it's back in a fox chassis with marzocchi stickers on, and it's being touted as "fox's damper." I'm pretty sure that was marzocchi that created that "fox" damper. It looks like a nice fork at a nice price, especially if they release the single crown with a 20mm bolt through axle. I agree they have dropped the ball with the air spring though. Who knows, maybe there will be a coil option down the road.
  • + 3
 @DARKSTAR63: wouldn't take it over a DVO Beryl. Same damper as a Diamond with less adjustment. Can be had for $615 brand new online.
  • + 2
 @jaame: definitely not the same chasis as the 36 look closer!!!
  • + 2
 @reverend27: apply same discount rate you're assuming on the dvo and the marzo will be cheaper.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: don't forget the part about where he says "yuge"!!
  • + 3
 @tom666: Never go Full Retail
  • + 3
 @tom666: i always look at the price in US dollars and expect to pay the same in pounds. we pay a lot more for bike parts here, my 888 were less at full retail in the US than at sale price in the uk!
  • + 1
 @T1mb0: BOS are open bath and they are proper ;-)
  • + 1
 @aidy: price in dolars is tax free, so you always need to add at least 20% more (for UK)
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: AHAH Good joke.
One year or 125hrs revision ? Bullshit In the case the major part from real mountain bikers will need a full revision with full seals and bushings and even stanchions.
In other words they say.Go ride ,dont bother us meawhyle with small things like cleaning and (almost no) oil change.We think great we are great.
We give you one year until we give you another wallet weight loss tunning.
  • + 1
 Yeah, wouldn't it have been great if they'd made a reliable open bath coil fork with huge service intervals? Just like to eh old Marz forks.
  • + 1
 @freestyIAM: and the DVO will still have a top of the line damper.

That's what I'm getting at. Name one budget fork that retains the top damping system that is not DVO.
  • + 1
 @reverend27: öhlins ttx, Fox Fit, sorry
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: is there anybody who actually likes the ttx that has ridden it?
Second the budget "fit" damper doesn't use the same design. It uses a spring loaded ifp instead of a bladder. And the lowers are all instead of mag.

Sorry.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: also don't think ohlins makes a budget fork I looked.

Maybe you can find one.
  • + 1
 @reverend27: dvo makes a budget fork? Now I am willing to learn, why spring loaded ifp is worse than a bladder? I just blew a a bladder in my 32 RLT so I’m curious. They used to tell me that ti negative spring is crap too. Hmm...
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: DVO Beryl is like $600 new
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: 656$ on eBay and 616$ here takeahikeshop.com/products/dvo-beryl-boost-29-27-5-fork?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=2378170007576&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOfCGjzUsMIPiAusOZYOgyYGDPmsk1CtztsnCeBQ6G_P64cP6P7w8NwaAgJAEALw_wcB
It's a Diamond new for 615$ with less Ott adjustment and 3 position lsc instead of 6.

Name a better fork for the price with the ability to call and chat at anytime with the maker?

And Ronnie makes it seem like I am the only person in the world when I talk to him.

Maybe mrp would be the other one.

Not a shill just love their stuff and customer service.
  • + 2
 @reverend27: honestly, I'd take a beryl or this new " marzocchi" they both probably rock
  • + 2
 I am sorry I was uneducated and wrong. I'd take Beryl. It looks the best for the money.
  • + 1
 @DARKSTAR63: THE Mattoc pro has some competition.
  • + 1
 @BryceBorlick: That's about how long my Shiver SCs went without a service and still didn't leak. Saved my £1000 and good for the environment Wink
  • + 1
 I think you speak for all of us, Marzocchi should have become there essentially coil lineup. would have made so much sense. Also, I wish they would bring back a DJ1 fork, which would be a 100mm coil 36 RC2 equivalent and a DJ2 with an R damper.
  • + 1
 @BoneDog: Amen to that. 36 VAN disguised as Z1.
@drjonnywonderboy: hehe I have a 2003 Shiver SC. It leaks through top caps if you flip the bike upside down... Also damping is absolute sht. I threw Reba on and it may feel like a pogo stick but it stays high in it's travel. Unless I can source X-Firm springs for my Shiver I'm not mounting it on my bike. Amazing tracking, amazing front end grip but dives like a Scottsman for a penny
  • + 1
 IM A LITTLE MORE THAN SLIGHTLY DISAPPOINTED. i waited to see what marz was putting out for a dh fork this season since im in the market for one atm, and damn am i choked. please, someone tell me this isnt just a re-branded performance elite, because thats what it seems like to me.

anyways, i am looking for a new fork, what do you guys think? go tried and true with the fox 40, or go DVO onyx? i have a 2017 rs team atm and i need to get rid of it asap. anyone up for a trade? lol
  • + 68
 I find it very sad to see these psuedo-fox performance forks branded as Marzocchi suspension. Bring back the legendary plushness and open bath dampers!
  • + 33
 Don't forget the coils!
  • + 12
 Interested to see that the crowns on the 58 don’t look that much different to the fox 40, if not identical. Sad to see that Fox appear to be making Marzocchi the “poor mans fox” and his gmorong all of that classic Marzocchi branding, styling and image. Come on Fox sort you act out and get a GRIP!
  • + 81
 I wouldn't waste too much time feeling sad. I loved my 66 and 888 as much as anyone, but this Z1 is just as plush, and that Grip damper is really impressive. Sometimes progress is a good thing, even if it means you no longer keep two extra quarts of oil on hand at all times just in case you need to service a Monster T.
  • - 8
flag MetalheadWolfRider (Apr 10, 2018 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 agreed, and that marzocchi 58 isn't even as good as the 380 c2r2 ti with all the hi-lo speed compression and rebound, this is bullshit, only low speed compression and rebound on these new "marzocchi" forks. not even the DBC damper is present, only using downgraded fox internals.
  • + 5
 Pretty gutted too but that was to be expected from Fox. Sure unless they went with Spring range for Marzo, going with entry level forks was easier to market. If only Shimano stepped up and bought Marzo, that would have been class and would have left a chance to Marzo to get back to former glory.
  • + 8
 @MetalheadWolfRider: nice to see that someone else doesn’t just see my opinion as nostalgia because it isn’t. Bryson Martyn and his DVO crew seem to have taken off where Marzocchi left and gone way beyond. Sorry Marzocchi but unless you show some of what your heritage proves is possible I certainly will not be buying your product and definatley going with DVO if this is all you have to offer. Sorry
  • + 0
 @MonEddy: same here bro.
  • + 5
 @mikekazimer: I think the regrets come from the fact that it looks like a rebranded 36 grip
  • + 8
 Man, haters gonna hate. You haven't even ridden the thing and you're already treating it like a red headed step-child. For $700, it comes with all the adjustments you'd expect. I feel bad for anyone trying to sell a used Fox 36 or Lyrik as this is a great price on a higher performing fork. Anyone ridden the EVOL air spring that owns the c2r2? Would love to hear a non-biased opinion on how they compare in overall feel.
  • + 11
 @mikekazimer: Monster T... service? Are you feeling alright mike?
  • + 3
 They just fit a new space in the lineup surely. Cant believe people are complaining about this
  • + 2
 @MonEddy: DVO Rocks... Yes I am a fan boy
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: How would you rate is vs. the Yari?
  • + 2
 @Balgaroth: I was hoping (no pun intended) Hope would buy them. But obviously they were absorbed in other projects at the time and I can't say I blame them.
  • + 4
 @MonEddy: poor mans fork lmao a poor mans fork is a sunrour xct not a Marzocchi/Fox fork. Hello people want cheaper but still reliable options and this is an absolutely great one!!!
  • + 13
 a simplequestion, does amy of you bring back old Marzocchi actually ridden one recently? Because I have, I actually have one up stairs. And that makes me think you are a bunch of sissies with no idea what you are talking about. Yes at the time they were great. But since then companies invented low speed compression and dual flow rebound, pressurized dampers. I had a Fox Van RC2 and open bath Float R at the same time. Guess which one was better? Yes I have had some good memories of owning a few old Marzocchis, 66RC2X being the highlight. But I’m not a fkng child anymore who wants to tattoo Freeride on his forearm. So stop behaving like one. Get real for fks sake. By modern standards old Marzocchis suck. They do. Bobby divey and heavy as fk.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Agreed. My Jr. T is a complete and utter POS compared to even a modern longer travel single let alone a 40 or a 58. 6.5 plus pounds. Never performed that great.

Sure was rad to look at though. Still love looking at it. I'm going to post some picts up side by side with my current build for comparison sake. LOL!
  • + 5
 FUN FACT: MetalheadWolfRider was 0 years old when Marzocchi launched the ShiverDC. #realitycheck
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns Aren't the low speed compression, dual flow rebound and pressurized dampers handled in the opposite spring leg? ????
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: I’m gonna get a gothic tattoo saying freeride this week now. It’ll be worth it
  • + 3
 @sickbicycleco: just remember it’s “huck to flat”, not “send to flat”, watch your language. And leave room for “Spirit of Enduro”. Will be a hot thing to say in 10 years. Maybe you can start a new trend E-hucking?
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't know dude, they are not all ready to scrap. I have a '13 RC3 Evo2 with SKF seals, Andreani piston and removed volume adjuster and it just plain works. It also clears a 27.5 so that was not an issue either. Pretty much a wash with my riding buddies 40's and better than the non-charger boxxer in the group. At this point, until I replace the big bike, the 888 is staying.
  • + 1
 @mykel: yeap.. me too staying with 888 atm... and im for 58 anytime eventho external are all looks like 40
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: that bob and dive your talking about is the fork going through its travel. As in using all its travel all the time.
I have tested many modern forks.
I am not a fan of "platform" it's a crutch for people who don't like the fork to be exceptionally active.
I find most modern forks to feel crappy on small bumps and feel like I'm only using half the travel.
I prefer my 55 Ti sprung rc3 don't mind the extra weight .
Truly appreciate how my arms feel fresh after an epic three hour ride.
Actually all my bikes use vintage Marz forks . Change the oil once a year and just ride.
To each his own.
Puny carts with a spoonful of oil to save weight is not my idea of an ideal fork.
  • + 4
 @Sshredder: no not really. A well dialled LSC valving/shimstack will provide stability and let through even small square edge hits. Like on 36 Van RC2 that I used to own. Bobbing, diving being signs of fork going through the travel, heh it’s like saying, why bother with LSC at all? Well at higher speeds your wheel will simply not manage to recover after successive hits and will feel harder. Also brake diving on steeps is absolute crap, it causes your fork to overly compress and compromise geometry. Not to mention folding in corners. A good fork stays high in travel while eating bumps. A bad fork is either too harsh (you lose grip apart from confidence) or it is just too soft. Anyone can make a soft fork.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: with you on the old Marzocchi's suck thing, never got where they got their great reputation from other than you could neglect them entirely for a decade and they would continue to deliver the same piss poor noisy pogo stick performance they did when new.

I have some 2016 350crs at the moment and they are shite too, massive stiction, awful body jarring damping spikes on big hits and loads of wallowy dive when cornering and on steep stuff, just can't find a set up where they really work anything close to the level of a budget fox fork. Not to mention marzocchi customer support literally doesn't exist, zero responses to numerous emails and dm's.

I would have been happy to have seen the end of the brand and resigned to the history books.
  • + 1
 @ctd07: I mean, there can be no doubt that Marzocchi was the greatest by a far margin before Fox released 36 in 2006 and RS released the Lyrik in 2007, that competition was utter sht. You had Z1/66, Manitou was trying to keep up with Shermans and then you had Psylo which was crap. It was expensive crap. And then you had the rest of abominations like Suntour or RST. Suntour got much better, but ghosts of the past are still haunting it's reputation. Pre 2006 Foxes were hard to get, uber expensive in purchase, as expensive in maintenance and in Europe NOBODY had spare parts. And it wasn't exactly a climate where you could freely buy stuff online between continents.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Did anyone else go watch the Grip damper service video and see (at about 3:20) when they pull the "compression valving" which consists of 1 single shim?! Tell me again how 1 single shim is going to provide good dampening for a variety of people of different weights and riding conditions? I like the idea of the Grip damper, just like I like my current 350CR dynamic bleed cart, but watching that video left me with questions about the execution of the design. Has anyone taken one of these apart? Is there room in there to build a shim stack?
  • + 1
 @ctd07: for Marzocchi customer service contact fox. They did warranty service on my 350cr and it helped a lot.
  • + 51
 I loved how modular the old Bombers were. No press fit stanchions, steerers. Everything was bolt on. You scratch a stanchion, buy a new one. Steerer too short for your new frame, buy a new one. Want to fit bigger meat in your fork? Buy an aftermarket fork arch.
Service your own shit. Those were the days.
  • + 2
 ^This.
  • + 11
 I still have a Z-2 like you describe. That fork was beautiful and way ahead of any junk Rock Shox made at the time. And Fox was not even in the game. The old forks were too reliable for their own good, though and nobody ever upgraded. It is too bad marketing and vertical integration killed such as sweet brand. Now I am stuck with a Fox 34 that needs service every 5 minutes and has parts that are really expensive, go figure.
  • + 5
 Oh yeah, great times indeed. Go ahead make a 130 fork with clamped stanchions and upper legs, then a bolt on arch. It will weigh 3kgs and be flexier than a noodle after it busted a nut a she kept going for 20 more minutes. people will be lining to buy that, only so that they don’t need to service it for 3 years. As encouraging for any company to make that as that case with DVO before and after they released the Emerald yeaaaah! They will bring the old Marzocchi flavor and show everyone in the business how it’s done. Upside down open bath Emerald, yeaaaH, bringing the Shiver back from the dead. The Shiveeer!!! Then DVO releases the fork and the price tag pops up in press release. The response: Fuuuuuk yooouuuu, get the fk out! Dentist serving aholes! Same with Doamod, yeaaah DVO yeaaaah,! Suntour makes the chassis? Aaah you money greedy a*sholes!

Oh yeah... oooooh yeaaaaah
  • + 24
 Anyone in the UK considering this fork be very careful, the w@nkers at Silverfish probably won't bring any service kits into the country. I recently contacted them regarding servicing my Marz 053 shock and the lying f*ckers told me the service kits are no longer available and my shock is unserviceable. I've found a guy in Germany who can do the job and who has told me there are no issues obtaining the kits. Also when Silverfish were advertising the service their price was 50% higher than when Windwave were doing it.
  • + 1
 That sucks but I'm sure the new stuff will be supported. Not that Fox has the greatest customer service for any of their products anyway...
  • + 6
 @Burningrubber54: The old stuff is supported, it's the new UK distributors that are the problem.
  • + 1
 Aren't you glad of EU ...
  • + 8
 @Balgaroth: I was, until some of my idiot compatriots voted to leave...
Funnily enough I was talking to a mate about this last night. I dread to think what the turn around time will be on this servicing in future if we leave the customs union. Oh well, yet another thing to piss me off about my country's decision.
  • + 0
 @Burningrubber54: Honestly, Fox, Rockshox, and DVO all have abysmal customer support. I'm sure we'll see Marzocchi added to the list of unresponsives.
  • + 24
 C’mon

Let’s have a glowing orange and gold open oil bath and coil version - I’m nostalgic
  • + 3
 Y‘Know , for a bike company focused on good times, and nostalgia tinged progressive bike manufacturing, you don’t half go on about nostalgia tinged good times and progressive bike manufacturing.
  • + 3
 This would have been orange if Fox hadn't been abusing the colour for the past year
  • + 2
 @T1mb0: true. They must have a couple of paint cans knocking around if the stuff. I bet the fox guys would even lend them a brush for a few beers.
  • + 2
 @nickkk: don’t i f*ckin just.

Hahahah
  • + 18
 If theres less than a ltr of oil in both legs of those 58's, then i'm out.
  • + 7
 "How do I adjust my 888" Dump a 1/2 liter of oil in it. OK. Ah the good old days.
  • + 3
 I had one of those 888s, like ten years ago. In my memory they still work like a dream. Heck I think I even have a pair laying around somewhere on a shelf, maybe I should just take them for a spin
  • + 2
 @raditude: pah, my old mk1 monsters were 750ml per leg i think? God knows how much the later ones and the supers took?
  • + 3
 @pbuser2299: i remember "re-building" my 888 and it took 2 quarts of oil . good old iron horse 7point3.
  • + 2
 Here´s the funny thing about oil and old marzocchis.
A friend of mine ran his old 888R without any oil at all for almost a year. The damn thing did not stop working!
Ok, there was no damping of course, but it was going rather smooth and was actually rideable for the whole time.
Those things were frickin tanks.

Please do not ask me why he did it though...
  • + 11
 Hopefully this will also mark the return of Marzocchi Forks in the DJ world soon enough. Also hoping that its not the boat anchor that the old era forks were. Bombproof yes, light no. I had the DJ3, DJ2, and a 4X WC 100mm
  • + 3
 I really hope so. Straight steerer and 20mm please
  • + 1
 @michale: I am with you in the 20mm as long as it is a quick axle type. But tapered is the way to go. Stronger design. At this point why anyone makes a straight tube is beyond me.
  • + 2
 @picowatt:
Straight steer for the poor people using older bikes
  • + 1
 @michale: if someone is poor, they should probably just go with a Manitou Circus and ahve one of the best forks ever.
  • + 11
 I want the internals of a Marzocchi 66 RC3 Evo Ti with some lighter crown/ lowers and 650b..... this is still the best fork performance wise (a 2011 fork is better than 2018 forks- kinda sad) and indestructible

I would buy this in a hearthbeat
  • + 8
 55 RC3 Evo Ti V2 with a (slightly) ground down arch. Fits a 27.5 x 2.5 DHF, just go easy on the mud
  • + 7
 I genuinely miss my old 55 RC3 Ti.
  • + 4
 @T1mb0: Wait for it, DVO said they will be offering a coil sprung updated version of the 55 RC3. Hurry up DVO.
  • + 3
 @Boardlife69: yeah but they're currently kowtowing the the air spring hype and the "lighter= better performance" mantra the industry is so stuck on.
  • + 1
 @T1mb0:Yeah I had the 66- no service needed for 2 seasons... my lyriks needed a lower leg service twice a year to run somewhat smooth.

Currently on Vengeance HLR- comes very close to the Marzocchi- Feel... hope it will also need that much service Smile
  • + 9
 Unfortunately Marzocchi will never be considered as good as Fox since Fox can't let that happen. Hopefully it doesn't hinder the longevity and reliability of the Marzocchi brand.
  • + 6
 the 380 c2r2 titanium was better than any 40 i've ever tried, now mz really died for me with this re-branded fox shit.
  • + 2
 @MetalheadWolfRider: yeah when my c2r2 ti worked it was an absolutely amazing fork. I've been contemplating getting the 2018 c2r2 since the issues were supposed to be fixed
  • + 3
 @MetalheadWolfRider: you don't need to repost your comment 10times
one is enough
  • + 1
 @seismicninja: i'm gonna keep my 2016 c2r2 ti, the 2018 version isn't even in a titanium version and no espresso coating, the current marzocchi is just a fox knockoff bro
  • + 0
 @Asmodai: lemme express my anger brah lol
  • + 3
 @MetalheadWolfRider: what metal are you into?
  • + 3
 I think one way of looking at this is VW vs. Skoda (if that comparison works in the states) a. Skoda is not quite as good in finishing touches and glitziness but it's every bit as high a performer. And it's an underdog. I dig that. It's why I drive a Skoda Octavia vRS. Underdog for the win!
  • + 2
 @belfastbiker: except skoda is pretty much as good as vw
  • + 1
 @nickkk: older Black metal, Depressive Suicidal Black Metal, Power Metal, Metalcore, Heavy Metal, Tech Thrash, and many others haha
  • + 5
 @MetalheadWolfRider: what kind of wolves are you into?
  • + 4
 @Asmodai: That's pretty much what he said.
  • + 1
 @belfastbiker:
I think that Skoda is better than VW. Less expensive and more or less the same car
  • + 4
 @MetalheadWolfRider:
>depressive suicidal Black metal

don't worry you gonna grow up
  • + 2
 @MetalheadWolfRider: ah the grip damper was actually Marzocchi's system just with a different name so you should just shut it because you seem to know nothing about Marzocchi. You're just a sheep following the heard so just piss off already.
  • + 1
 @MetalheadWolfRider: whys it gotta be black metal?
  • + 1
 @belfastbiker: There was a time skodá had the superior interior finish to volkswagen, then they got a call from wolfsburg and had to make the car worse.

to friends of mine hat the same model you got, both cars 12 month apart. One was craftmanship of heaven, the newer one had an interior so badly made you could push cardboard through the holes in the interior.

Hope fox wont make the same curtesy calls to italy Big Grin
  • + 1
 @pargolf8: the kid probably thinks Justin Bieber is metal.
  • + 2
 @pargolf8: #blackmetalmatters
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: Yep, basically what I was saying. Cheers.
  • + 1
 @pargolf8: to match the black stanchions
  • + 6
 Yet again the naysayers are here to piss on everyone’s chips... There is a significant segment of the riding population out there that don’t race or have the inclination to spend 2k on a fork. These go some way to getting those riders a burly fork. I too am sad that Marzocci aren’t the way they were but such is life. I’d spec these on a build in a heartbeat. Orange lowers though.. make it happen Marzocchi/Fox! Wink
  • + 0
 I bought a set of X fusion Vengeance HLR for 230€ with shipping (new).
You cant top this- and performance wise the HLR damper is as good if not better than Srams/ Foxs charger/ fit etc.
  • + 6
 Fond memories of this brand and its products also. Growing up envious of those with a set of 'Bombers' and ogling them on the pro bikes in the pages of MBUK back in the day. I'd genuinely get a set of these as the name Marzocchi still resonates with me and carries a certain level of prestige. Great to see them back in the game & looking forward to the review!
  • + 5
 I wonder if the similarities w/ a 36 will make it compatible with certain 36 upgrades, IE Push coil conversion or MRP ramp control...

Although I guess it would maybe be silly to drop an expensive coil into a budget fork, but I would want to do it for nostalgia.

M arch is nice to see too.
  • + 2
 Without doing any research whatsoever, I'm guessing only the lowers are different.
  • + 5
 It might have been a bit on the heavy side, but one of my most favorite forks ever was my 03' Shiver. That beast made me feel unstoppable, well until I used my full face as a shovel from time to time. But that is another story.......
  • + 10
 " I used my full face as a shovel"

that's what i call creative trail maintenance
  • + 6
 I hope Marzocchi is reading comments - bring back coil forks with open bath and 140-150mm of travel.
there is nothing on the market for me to buy to replace my old forks. maybe only cane creak helm but thats a lot of $$$
  • + 1
 The old open bath Marzocchis are still untouched in serviceability and smoothness. Only BOS comes close to the smothness but getting parts is a struggle...
  • + 1
 @prezes1984 Ive got an 02 shiver dc hanging on my wall if you're interested lol
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: so you've ridden every suspension fork ever made to make that claim then or you're just talken out your ass and don't know squat. I can tell you right now the DVO emerald would blow that bos fork away in smoothness all day long.
  • + 2
 @mhoshal:
Okay buddy- way to go to be the tough guy here.

A air sprung fork will never be as smooth as a coil- you cant neglect the added friction....
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: they are great but too much travel for what I ride now
  • + 5
 Fox buys Marzo.
Fox introduces "new" GRIP damper in their forks, which is essentially the same old DBC CR with a few tweaks and adds a boatload of marketing to it
No more old CTD stuff in low-end and middle-end segments - everybody says 'hooray' and praises the new damper.
Fox reintroduces Marzo forks without the top tier with advanced versions of DBC: c2r2 and lcr/ncr, which are more costly to produce and there is no need for them, cause they have original FIT damper for the top tier forks
....
profit!
  • + 3
 Missed GRIP2 introduction which looks very similar to c2r2. Hah...
  • + 1
 Grip looks totally different than DBC. Grip has a spring loaded ifp, while DBC used a semi-open cartridge with an overflow.
  • + 4
 @dthomp325: GRIP2 is very similar to the C2R2 DBC damper. The 380 also has the IFP, look at the photos. Maybe they modified it a bit, but obviously they used the design of the MZ damper.

fotos.mtb-news.de/p/2258114

ride.io/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dbc-damper.jpg
  • + 4
 Why on Earth are they not orange! I remember my mate getting some second hand Z1’s in ‘98 and they were so so plush compared to anything else - these of us riding around on RST Mozo Pro 3.5!

I bet they aren’t orange as Fox has hijacked that for their other forks and don’t want branding confusion.
  • + 4
 What a bunch of haters. Lots of travel options, low cost, good damper for the price, and room for real tires. If I was building up a frame this would be one of the forks I would look at. Want something fancier? Buy a 36.
  • + 3
 Basically a cheap fox knock off, a shame as they could definently come up with something better performing and more original to the brands heritage, but I guess using a cheaper damper/spring from the current fox's lineup is more cost saving than funding another group of engeneers to work on a new and improved product... shame
  • + 6
 It's a Yari competitor at the expense of a brand. Sad times.
  • + 2
 How is it a fox knock off if fox owns them lmao. A zoom fork is a fox knock off. It can't be a knock off when ots owned by that company dumbass!!!
  • + 3
 Volkswagen bought Bugatti but did not make them the bottom of the line but precisely the opposite.
To the youngers and the memory lost ones: when the evolution of the sport and the market ask heavy stuff Marzo made 888,s , Shivers and Monsters till 300mm stroke Tooday it seems an absurd BUT the fact is that they have the willing and the audacity to go foward.The freeride movement was with Marzo as the only product wich can andle the abuse.
Years and years that nobody else have the reliability of putt on the market a single crown fork with more than 160mm.
Marzo have it with 170mm and 180mm alone .
Not everything was perfect ,in some places the support from Marzo was bad.But they deserve a better place at the sun that the one is given now at the shadow.
  • + 5
 No 26" version and no 120mm OR straight steerer version for my DMR Trailstar. Thats a no from me.
  • + 1
 I would buy a new 130-150mm 29er fork in a second if someone would make one with a straight steerer tube. I love my Nimble 9, but the worn out Zokie on there now needs to be replaced.
  • + 1
 @Rigidjunkie: MRP? Last i checked they can do straight steerers on request...
  • + 1
 Funny enough, Fox makes a 36 for 26" and with a straight steerer ...
  • + 1
 I'd certainly like to see a 26" version, to replace my 2015 Pike.
  • + 5
 So much childhood lust! Glad to see them back in the game, even if it's just branding.
  • + 2
 This is nice, I always liked Marzocchi. It may be that they're just thriving on that old sentiment, which is why they'd call that fork a Z1 and not a 66. But yeah, I'd fall for that. I don't need Goodyear on my tire, but i would feel good with Marzocchi forks.
  • + 2
 Always bitching. This is a budget fork that it rides well (it seems). Used to ride the 350 half a year ago. Apart from the extra weight and some noise on rougher trails, it was a great fork - meaning plush and bombproof. I got it replaced with a Pike. Sometimes I wonder why I did that.
  • + 3
 I just like how the grip damper level doesn't look cheap and shitty like how it does on all the fox products.
  • + 2
 I think it is funny that Fox, which produces the forks with shortest service interval, bought Marzocchi which used to made the forks with longest service interval.

I liked the stuff Marzocchi was making in 2015/6, this new course is just as bad as when the company was sold to tennco.
This is just a cheap version of a fox fork, cheaper to produce.
Did't even bother to make it look different.
  • + 5
 I loved Marzocchi back in the day... but now I've gone to DVO and haven't looked back!
  • + 1
 DVO was kind born from MZ tho, most of the MZ guys are at DVO haha
  • - 1
 @MetalheadWolfRider: yeah, the DVO people like you to think that.
Most of the Marzocchi people left the bike industry 10+ years ago.
  • + 2
 Dvo is actually made up of tech/ engineers of the old marzocchi. A few of the sales guys are from them to. Not sure who told you that@RedRedRe:
  • - 1
 @freeridejerk888: DVO are the sales/marketing/operation guys from Marzocchi usa and one of the guy who worked on shocks design in the later years.
I know pretty well because I used to talk to them at shows 10-15 years ago. One of them was involved with Marzocchi from early stages with significant input and ideas, however all the forks of the glory days were always produced and engineered in italy.
In the past year I read interviews and podcasts with DVO about Marzocchi and it seems a little biased.
Same questions 15 years ago had a different answer. Nowdays no one from the real Marzocchi is involved with the company to reply. Marzocchi MTB ceased when they sold it to tecno 10+ years ago.

That said, the first time I rode a DVO diamond without knowing the DVO/Marzocchi association, I felt it very similar to a Z1 from the late 90's. If people want something close to Marzocchi, they may be better off with DVO than Fox.
  • + 1
 @reverend27: your are right, the dvo forks are more like the tecno-marzocchi rather than the real marzocchi. I actually think much better than tecno-marzocchi.
Once tecno took over, marzocchi team unfolded, and marzocchi usa was at the helm the forks were not quite as good. At least this is what I remember to hear from people in the industry.
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: yes the 08 lineup for Marzocchi was shit because ot was all new stuff but by 09 they had the tweaks worked out. I loved my 09 888 RCV it was just as good feeling as my 07 888 rc2x
  • + 0
 @RedRedRe: they aren't the fn marketing guys. This was debated and proven wrong sorry. Stop spreading bs.
  • + 2
 @reverend27: weird.. wonder why they (dvo) told me that then
  • + 1
 @reverend27: does dvo claim to have designed any marzocchi forks?
You may have misunderstood as they will tell you the opposite.

My point is marzocchi usa was very important. They had good ideas. These ideas went back and forth with the mothership. Then become reality Thanks to Marzocchi in Italy. They had the moto association and could make things happen. Fox, RS, manitou were toys in comparison.
Then Marzocchi was sold to tecno, the Italy crew changed and forks were produced in Asia. This is the “bad” Marzocchi which ended around the same time Marzocchi usa left and founded dvo.

If dvo claims to be the guys from “good” Marzocchi days, then they were the guys from “bad” Marzocchi as well.

I like dvo forks, they feel similar to “good” Marzocchi, but they miss the engineering and factory that made Marzocchi Stand above others. They miss some other Marzocchi trademarks as well I.e. easy service etc.
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: that is more correct.

Someone in a thread on here or mtbr tried to say they were full of it and only a marketing team.

The truth came out about Bryson having final say on designs dating back to 90s.

They most certainly were in on design process.

The argument was in the middle of another thread and will be hard to find.
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: I think I'll just ask dvo to clarify. They respond in threads about their products.
Then I will bookmark it and have a link Everytime this comes up.????
  • + 0
 @reverend27: no, dvo did not have any final say during the “good” marzocchi.
Make yourself a favour and try to source some interviews with Marzocchi from before 2008. Then read recent dvo interviews.
They can say whatever they want nowdays becuase no one from the original marzocchi will ever reply.
I am not sure how old you are, but back then it was pretty clear who did what.
They are definitely way more the maketing team than the engineers. And it shows with all the issues dvo forks have had.
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: and you can say whatever you want because it's the internet. Doesn't mean I believe you.
Calling people liars and saying they are taking credit for something they didn't do.

That's what you are doing.
I don't think you know shit and are talking out the ass because you had a 5 min conversation with them 15 years ago.

GTFO.
I'm done.
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: all the issues? A couple knocking noises that are easily fixable is the only ones I know of.
Once again talking out the ass try using the other end for once.

I have had my diamond since 2014 with zero issues.

Even talked me through a Shimano stack mod over the phone.

You are just a shit slinger.
  • + 1
 @reverend27: Why are you defending a company you don’t know much about?
You like green? Do you always believe what people tell you?

Try to find old magazines with marzocchi interviews from before 2007/8
Or try to search online within a date range.
Then come back here and apologize.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer "In fact, I'm having trouble remembering the last time I had a fork feel this good right out of the box, no matter the price."

Well if price be dammed, didn't you essentially have this experience when you reviewed the 2 new fox forks as well?I think that happened in your prior review of the Fox 36. Slightly better internals. Slightly higher price. Why not just come out and say it. This fork is for people who want to ride the high-end fox stuff but can't afford to buy it. At the end of the day it is a Fox Fork.
  • + 1
 ... but, it says Marzocchi on it!!!
  • + 4
 Oh please bring back the Z150 (minus the treacherous lockout switch you'd catch mid ride and end up hitting the next drop with 5mm travel lol)
  • + 5
 Fox obviously doesn't give a shit about Marz. These forks aren't even on the website.
  • + 0
 oops
  • + 1
 So how is this different than the current "performance" level 36, other than the fact that I can buy it new rather than as a tear off? Why not just sell the OE spec 36 available as aftermarket? Seems like a waste of time and effort, making basically the exact same fork with marginally different lowers/crowns for the sake of marketing.
  • + 3
 I'm not sure where this idea of "You can't buy fox performance level forks aftermarket" comes from, I know for a fact that OGC (fox Canadian distributor) brought in both 36 and 40s in the "performance" level for 2018.
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: Several articles have come out citing them as OEM only... but on second look I found a few places selling them. Which makes this fork even more pointless, as fox already sells the same thing, at a lower price point..... WTF Fox
  • + 1
 @talderson: I think the confusion comes from "performance ELITE" supposedly being OEM only. People mixing the two up.
  • + 2
 >Seems like a waste of time and effort, making basically the exact same fork with marginally different lowers/crowns for the sake of marketing.

actually its pretty smart, r&d cost are minimal because you are just re-branding stuff and with known brand you can reach
to new customers (who in future may be interested in your higher end products)
  • + 3
 No coil spring No 20 mil axle This is just a cheap version of all the other Enduro forks on the market. Not to mention the fork looks like it from the nineties.
  • + 4
 FCUK. I JUST bought the 2018 Fox 36. Had I known this was coming out I would have bought this instead. Damn you Fox!!!
  • + 2
 I ended up getting the 2018 Fox 36 Factory when I sent my Marz 350 NCR to Fox for service. The Marz was better.
  • + 4
 I'm going to build a bike with a Z1 fork, zee brakes and drivetrain and a specialized zee bottle cage.
  • + 3
 Jesus f@cking christ people. If you want a coil fork so bad go buy a damn cane creek. Don’t forget your gearbox while you're at it.
  • + 1
 2005 66 RC2 or also 2006 66 rc2x or vf - simply amazing stuff. I guess, these new forks are pretty good, but at the same time I understand why so many people are dissapointed. When Fox bought Marzocchi everyone was afraid what's gonna happen to the big M. And now it seems to me that this feeling was justiced. Why not do a bit heavier but super plush coil fork? Add a nice website, short CG style vid that makes you super stoked to ride, to s h r e d your bike. Progression you say... sure, but does that mean that everything needs to be pretty much the same? Perhaps, I just miss the good old days when nobody cared how much spacers they put in their forks, what type of carbon they have, how much psi they run in their tyres, but just how big that crazy drop is...
  • + 4
 Heart broken. A marzocchi in name only. Hopefully my 350 ncr ti will last forever.
  • + 3
 It should have been orange. Just my opinion but how many of us remember or had the Z1 on our bikes? I still have mine but I was dumb and painted it black.
  • + 2
 So the 888 had 38mm stanchions, then the later named forks were the 320, 350, and 380, with stanchions of 32, 35, and 38 respectively. What on earth does 58 relate to?

Fox, stop f*cking this up.
  • + 1
 the 888 got it's name from having 8 inches of travel, and 3 clamps. hence why it was called the 888 even when it had 35mm stanchions. But i have no idea what 58 refers to.....
  • + 1
 When will the Z1 come in 26" and 20mm? Also, will open bath be an option in the future for any of the forks? Will Marzocchi once again cost less than the rivals but outperform them after 6 years of no oil changes? Will there be a new DJ 1, as the current is worse than a 2007 DJ3?

P.S. I already sold my three bikes and quit MTB because of all the new "standards" popping up, but I would just like to know Smile
  • + 1
 You quit mtb? really?
  • + 2
 @Buggyr333: Yup, basically waiting for my street rig to throw in the towel so that I can get a decent BMX. Maybe sometime in the future I'll give it a go again, but until then, I'm just going to keep reading jokes about the "new industry standards this week" Big Grin
  • + 1
 @FrEeZa: I mean, you could just ride an old bike, and not worry about new standards. But sure, by all means, just quit.
  • + 1
 I don’t mind if they called 2016 or even 2014 fox suspension “technology “Marzocchi ,at almost half the price of the new ones ,give them to me I will buy it I’m not a great rider ,I’m happy with that ,BUT FOX BRING THE 36 VAN TO LIFE AGAIN BUT WITH MORE SPRINGS OPTIONS THANKS
  • + 3
 its like looking at your high school sweetheart twenty years later, and she had the full nip, tuck, and lift. I'd still take her behind the gym ...
  • + 3
 Good news. A well performing fork for a decent price, guess this means that a lot of OEM bikes will have the new Marzocchis which will bring the prices down even more.
  • + 2
 Awesome! Reasonably priced products. Shame they're only 110 spacing, hopefully they release 100 spacing in the future for us late adopters. A longer term review/ride report would be welcomed Smile
  • + 3
 so its an aluminum-legged fox 36 performance with a silly 'M' brace painted red?

why did they spend the money for the molds if that's all this is?
  • + 1
 How do yo know this is all this is? Are you on the company board?
  • + 1
 @nickkk: um deduction?

they say its alunimum chassis above. and they say its got the GRIP damper. nothing ctrazy going on with the air spring....what is left big dog?
  • + 1
 @mm732: I think your deduction is missing the point. You are right to surmise significant investment in new tooling for the lowers alone would be massive, it should be clear therefore that there is in all liklihood is a plan for an expanded range to serve the segment of riders who are best describes as 'enthusiast' as opposed to racers or indeed 'posers' (disclosure- i'd love a set of 40's as much as the next guy- do i need that level of performance? no..). That's where these forks are sitting at present. For an opening shot it looks very promising to me. Id be surprised if gen2/3/4 iterations of these fork chassis weren't going to be around for several model years to come.
  • + 1
 @nickkk: what i'm saying is, there is no differentiation between this brand and fox other than aluminum lowers, thus a bit of cost and weight.

do they still have cachet as an OEM offering? i'd think Joe Blow buying an entry level bike would gravitate toward a fox fork rather than marz.
  • + 1
 Shame they don't have the DBC damper, I thought that damper was really solid in my old 55, and I'm still running a 320 XC fork, which I honestly think was the best short travel fork on the market. Recently tried to buy another, but it was sold out everywhere Frown
  • + 3
 I was seriously interested in this fork for my steel hardtail, but it’s not orange.
Sorry, I need orange Z1’s only. NEXT!
  • + 5
 Does this mean there'll be a new Marzocchi calendar?
  • + 1
 It will be interesting to see if their nostalgic approach extends to bringing back the old T&A to sell bike parts in 2018/9... I’m not holding my breath on that.
  • + 3
 Maybe it is a cheaper version of the fox, but still a good and afordable fork for someone who just wants to build up a Nice good bike at a afordable price and have fun on it!
  • + 5
 Foook yeah! The M is back!
  • + 1
 Had to go with, "Z1" for, "my all time classic feels". I remember people going on about how it was the best single crown fork ever made back in the day. WAY TO DIRECTLY CAPITALIZE. WE R MARZOCCHI END WE WANT UR MONIES RIGHTNOW.
  • + 1
 Its ace to have zokes back. As many have said, I think Fox missed a trick by not putting out a coil version. It's already a heavy but burly chassis, plus there is a lot of nostalgia attached to the Bomber. They have give a competitor to the Yari but they could have ticked a pile of in demand boxes without competition for the Fox forks. Hopefully this s a safe testing of the waters and marzzochi will be able to develop at a slight tangent to fox.
  • + 1
 I for one, am happy to see them back in some way, sure I would have preferred a completely original coil fork over a rebadged fox 36 and 40, but to see MZ back in any capacity (as long as quality goes with it) is surely better than them disappearing completely. And I'm sure this is a sign of things to come, Fox wouldn't have put even this amount of effort into the brand if they didn't have some game plan. I imagine we will see other options in the future, hopefully coil.
  • + 5
 That Marzocchi 40 in red looks sick!
  • + 3
 I Marzocchi on all my bikes from the late 90's to 2010ish. They always performed great. It was the poor support from Marzocchi that turned me away from them.
  • + 4
 I still have my SHIVER DC and love it, work so well and it looks awsome ☺
  • + 2
 I fondly remember my old Z1CRs. You could ride straight into a curb and they would just take it! Just like old cherry red Boxxers. I miss the days of forks with pretty much zero compression damping and barely any stiction.
  • + 3
 Marzocchi is back with a new face so I look forward to seeing a set of "bomber dudes" in banana hammocks selling these forks!
  • + 3
 Ah man, I've had great experiences with Marz forks. My last one was a 66 RC. Loved that heavy pig.
  • + 5
 Are those bombers?!
  • + 2
 Came here specifically to look for this comment...was not disappointed
  • + 3
 Same, didn't even read the article.
  • + 2
 Since the Bomber 58 is basically a Fox40 chassis, the question more average riders and racers have to ask is it worth the extra price for the 40.
  • + 2
 I think there’s an uncomfortable truth there few would be willing to be honest about. Hand on heart if I had the cash, I’d buy 40s. Would they benefit me as a 35 year old dad who currently rides infrequently? In no way. Would it be my ego and because I like looking at nice bicycle components? yes 100%. I suspect I wouldn’t be alone in that view if people thought carefully about their abilities and aspirations. How many people would admit it though..?
  • + 1
 Well, not bad for $699. Although if this model becomes popular, I hope Push and Avalanche are watching so they can come up with ways to ditch that garbage Fox air spring and swap out the damper.
  • + 0
 Are the Fox Engineering solid and qualified ?Are their ideas and concept trusted ?
So young X2 shock and have to bo rectified in a few parameters that didnt work ?The test period was done with a kindergarden kids or with their grandmothers bikes ?
Oh ,and why did the hell of a bunch of tunners like Push and sons are dedicated to tunne fox ?Why people send them their products spending more £££€€€$$$ than already spend in buying them ?
At their site the products dont seem perfect with all the tricks explained ?Is that true or are they lying to us and in the real world the things dont match and have to be rectified ?
  • + 1
 I hope they come with a reasonable discount off RRP, Fox stuff is never discounted but Rockshox stuff is, so unless they are heavily discounted they won't compete with Rockshox in the UK market.
  • + 2
 What's up with the DBC damper? the 58 is just like a downgraded fox 40, bring me back the real MZ stuff, the 380 C2R2 Titanium was the last real MZ forks.
  • + 1
 The 2007 888rc2x was the last of the greats. The fork you speak of is not a itilian made one
  • - 1
 @freeridejerk888:
The 380c2r2 ti is the best evolution of the 888 (i've owned both), and it's still a MZ with a modern cartridge (dbc is the perfect mix between a (fox)fit cartridge and an open bath) and less weight than the awesome 888

My old 66rc2x was the best fork i've ridden before my 380c2r2 Ti !

But now... MZ is dead for 2019..
  • + 1
 Can these forks be upgraded with the GRIP2 cart diddly? I would hope so...and hopefully in the future in a coil version offering as well!!! Stoked for new Marzocchi offerings though! Love my low maintenance coil Zocchis!
  • + 4
 Yes, and yes. I'll take one of each!
  • + 3
 Should be open bath coil duh! Only service it once a year! Air is silly
  • + 1
 Kinda of a shame to me. Fox is clearly gonna use Marzocchi as a low-end budget alternative to compete with the cheaper brands
  • + 2
 I had some Z1 bombers which I sold to my mate decades ago. He still has them I think
  • + 1
 Nice to know my posts about the truth of origin of the damper got deleted, nice one. Keep sweeping under the rug and it might stay. But not if I have anything to do with it.
  • + 2
 we had elastomers last week now we have the return of Marzocchi? what year is it?
  • + 2
 If I see "Marzocchi Bomber Z1" I want to have 20mm axle! As it was in good old days.
  • + 2
 If it's anything like the current DJ1, which is a FPOS, I'll pass on all Marzocchi products for now.
  • + 1
 £749 according to Singletrack Magazine..... Yeah you can forget about them actually selling any at anywhere near that price.
  • + 1
 Don’t know if anyone has asked already but is it available in 1”1/8” steerer??
  • + 1
 This is painful looking at my old 2004 888rc with a works damper. This is such a sad day
  • + 2
 So basically a Fox 36 with Marzocchi branded lowers?
  • + 1
 Can I get a grip damper for my monster t that weighs more than the rest of my bike
  • + 2
 Stopped reading at air spring.
  • + 1
 Winder how these compare to 350CR, ive had mine for almost two years and really love them.
  • + 1
 Marzocchi is dead. Fox is dry humping the cash cow. All that made marzocchi good is now at DVO.
  • + 5
 Ya fox stepped up and saved an Iconic brand in the mtb world and all you idiots can do is shit talk them lol get a life already and by the way DVO has no affiliation with the real Marzocchi brand before Tencho bought them out which were considered by most to be the shittiest Marzocchis made.
  • + 1
 Throw some Kashima on that Marzocchi 40 bad boy, wait Fox wouldn’t want there Sister company being as good.
  • - 2
 Buttery Plushness.... like the Z1 that I broke on Vancouver Island back in '05.... I miss that fork. But for $700 I need tires for my truck to get to work, to make money, to buy bike parts... I be too old to handle my 50 mile commute by bike here in Montreal, Canada... so tires for the truck it will be. Maybe someone would like to sponsor me?
  • + 3
 Stoked. Enough said.
  • + 1
 I felt a great disturbance in the force. Like thousands of souls screaming at once. And suddenly silence. Troubling this is.
  • + 2
 Bring back the 55 RC3 Evo V2 Ti
  • + 2
 So no more Espresso coating ?
  • + 1
 So it's a red, heavy fox 36. Nice
  • + 1
 When are they coming out? I mean like when can we buy the z1s?
  • + 1
 I don't understand 20x110 non-boost?
  • - 3
 So mutch to say...
All Tenneco guys should be fired and in jail and sodomized buy bulls for what they made and to be so stupid idiots and greedy.
Next fox is doing what a lot of people said that they will do : Dont let Marzo have its own proud.
Their forks start (FOX) with tolerance imprecision ,leaking oil from the legs and even today they do the same.One year or 125hrs revision ? Bullshit In the case the major part from mountain bikers will need a full revision with full seals and bushings and even stanchions.
Its easy, is just listening what people say and demand here .Low maintenance reliable product.Coil is and wil be back.More oil lubricating those legs and seals.A effective rebound cartridge and some compression control.
Why not a high end models with more accurate controls for who whants to pay ?
Z1 one was a benchmark ?Only Z1 ? And the 66 ?And the 888 ? And the Shiver ?
Listen to those who say that RC3 Evo and R2C2 models work as no other.
Great to see Giant wenting to DVO .Great cut to you Fox .
  • + 2
 Jesus Christ. What a mess.
  • + 1
 @nickkk: you'r right ,but i said in 1rst line : "So mutch to say.."
should have put numbering ?was it worth ?maybe not
  • + 1
 Should be coil and 20mm axle
  • + 1
 Looks good but I want an open oil bath damper?! Frown
  • + 1
 This or the Durolux R2C2 eh?
  • + 1
 Still waiting on that new Shiver...
  • + 1
 Good to see new product from them, i hope they make a comeback.
  • + 1
 Really sucks the z1 is only boosted!
  • - 1
 A bummer it won't fit my new Trek Full-Stache 29+ tires!
  • + 2
 @raditude: it will probably fit right up your ass though.
  • - 2
 @treekilla: Advantage-Raditude
  • + 1
 Took them 2 years to paint a 36 in red....
  • + 1
 840 should be a beter name than 58!
  • + 1
 They need to bring back the "M" crown that came on the old Marzocchi!
  • + 1
 Will they have options for short offset forks?
  • + 1
 An Alfa at Fiat prices? I’ll take it.
  • + 3
 more like a GM with Alfa stickers
  • + 1
 L....Lyrik RC2? Oh, it's not. My bad.
  • + 0
 DVO won! Fox should not have event entertained the brand and saved so much money in the process!
  • + 1
 Z 1 - 20mm 110 non boost
Both with coil options
??
HSC ??
  • + 1
 Good to see them back!
  • + 1
 fml
  • + 0
 They look like slightly altered fox forks
  • + 0
 They are, its literally a 36 performance with slightly different lowers/crowns
  • - 1
 The dual crown looks exactly like a fox 40..
  • + 0
 Stanchion width?
  • + 1
 never mind, found it 36mm
  • - 1
 I just threw up in my mouth
  • + 0
 Marfox or Foxzocchi ?
  • + 0
 Marzfoxy of course...
  • + 0
 looking goooooood
  • - 1
 Red must be the colour for forks lately haha!
  • - 1
 If it's not orange it's not a bomber
  • + 0
 They've come in black and red forever.
  • + 1
 @onemanarmy: the original 1998 Z1's were orange
  • + 0
 OFFSET ??? ANYONE ??
  • + 0
 why not call it a Fox?
  • - 3
 Looks like a session
  • - 3
 Just bury it already, there are better forks in the market now and way cheaper!
  • - 2
 No 26? Shame on you Fox for not doing your market research
  • + 1
 Yeah it's a shame, but that's the way the industry is going. 26 ain't quite dead but it's certainly been put out to pasture.
  • + 13
 throw a 26" wheel in the damn fork, it will work fine, i promise.
  • + 2
 You just made my heart smile @Buggyr333:
  • + 3
 The new 36 GRIP2 is available for 26" wheels (and with a straight 1 1/8" steerer). Fox did their market research and apparently stole this part of the market from Marzocchi.
  • + 1
 What market research? That there is a small, and ever dwindling pool of riders who still have 26” wheels? All my bikes are still 26”, and I had no false illusion of this. Also, like someone else said, 26 will fit 27.5...
  • + 1
 SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! My wife will hear you! I don't want her realizing I could spend less money on bikes!!
  • + 1
 i'm rocking 26, sold my marzocchi 55 bomber for a 650b fox 36, added a mosh guard and the fork doesn't even look that big on the 26 tire anymore
  • + 1
 Most 27.5 forks probably have less tire clearance with a 26" than the last generation marz66 had.
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