First Ride: The Sub-$600 RockShox Domain and Psylo Forks

Apr 15, 2024 at 22:46
by Dario DiGiulio  
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The cheapest forks in a given brand's lienup often go ignored as something relegated purely to value-minded OE builds and aftermarket bargains, but there's nearly as much design and development behind those models as the flagship ones. With the goal of providing as good a ride as possible to the riders at the lower end of the cost spectrum, RockShox has reworked their Domain and Psylo forks, with new internals and chassis that match their higher-priced compatriots.

The Psylo is the 35mm stanchion option, with the Domain occupying the beefier 38mm bracket. Both cost less than $600 USD, weigh about 200-300 grams more than their Signature series alternatives, and contain the new Isolator RC damper.

Psylo Gold RC Details

• 140-160mm travel
• DebonAir air spring
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Isolator RC 3-position damper
• Offset: 44mm, 37mm OE only
• Weight: 2,320g (160mm)
• Price: $539 USD, €645, £580
rockshox.com
Domain Gold RC Details

• 150-180mm travel
• DebonAir air spring
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Isolator RC 3-position damper
• Offset: 44mm
• Weight: 2,501g (180mm)
• Price: $579 USD, €695, £620
rockshox.com




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The Isolator RC damper takes a lot of cues from the Charger 3, using a similar spring-backed IFP system thanks to shared ideation between the two projects. Where the Charger aims to offer a pared-down yet effective range of adjustment, the Isolator offers only one: Open or Closed. Yes, there are three positions, but Pedal and Firm feel too close to really differentiate, and Open is where everyone is going to be spending most (if not all) of their time. Don't worry, there's external rebound adjustment as well - you've got everything you need to get the fork feeling set up and ready to ride in short order.

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The Isolator, isolated.

The overall simplicity is key to the Domain and Psylo's appeal, with overall cost obviously taking a front seat as well. Making the system act in a similar way to Charger 3 while keeping cost low led to the system being a non-cartridge based approach, meaning the damper is pretty much baked into the fork. RockShox will be selling the Isolator damper as an upgrade for people who get the lower tier Domain Gold R forks. Those will be OE-only, but keep that upgrade in mind if you purchase a value bike in the coming years.

The air spring side of things is a standard RockShox affair, with a DebonAir spring similar to that on the Signature series forks. You won't be seeing Buttercups on the Domain or Psylo, but the remainder of the equation is essentially the same.

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Gold!
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Nice, secure cable clamp.
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And they fit standard bolt-on fenders.

Ride Impressions

I mounted the Domain up to my Frameworks trail bike, a frame more familiar with the steer tubes of fancier Fox 38s, RockShox Zebs, and the like. The first ride proved surprising, as I found myself loving the fork from the get-go. No, I wasn't immediately convinced it was identical to the counterparts that cost 2x, but the demerits weren't quite that pronounced either.

The Domain is a stout fork, with a very progressive air spring and effective damping in the 170mm travel configuration. My settings ended up pretty dang close to the recommendation chart for my weight, with about 69 psi in the air chamber, 8 clicks of rebound, and the damper set to Open. That setup felt supportive and active, especially on higher speed trails where you're not bearing down on the front so much. In those situations, the fork does move quite a bit, but the ramp-up in the latter half of travel keeps things feeling composed enough.

The overall feeling I'm getting on the Domain is comfort. The little trail chatter is dulled to a minimum, larger hits are taken care of nicely, and the simplicity of the setup keeps you complacently thinking things couldn't possibly be better.

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Heavy, simple, effective.

Of course, there are some downsides, namely in the form of weight and topout. The latter just seems to be a factor regardless of my rebound speed, but is most notable at higher speeds as you might expect. It's not sharp or particularly noisy - in fact, the fork is nearly silent - but you do feel the dull thwack through your hands as the fork returns out of compressions. The weight is a given, and unsurprising considering the price of the Domain. At about 200 grams more than a Zeb, I'm not terribly upset at the end result. My Frameworks is far from a light bike as is, so the added grams don't tip the scale too drastically, but I do think lighter chassis will be effected more negatively by a fork that weighs five and a half pounds.

Overall, I'm very impressed so far. This fork will remain on my bike for quite a while, and I'm keen to see how things age change with time.

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187 Comments
  • 170 1
 Psylo... Now *that* is a word I have not heard for an age...

And why are there so many kids on MY damned lawn?!
  • 53 0
 It'll never replace my Zzyzx!
  • 55 1
 No love for the old totem name though Frown
  • 18 0
 Gold Psylo races.
  • 3 0
 @rallyimprezive: damn those were the size of a Pepsi can.... I had those on a old stunt jumper
!
  • 14 1
 I would have expected it to come with U-turn? Either way, I thought Yari already was the cheaper alternative to Lyrik, wasn't it?
  • 10 0
 Duke
  • 2 0
 @cypher74: I had a pair of those and they were amazing! Unfortunately after a while the steerer began to work loose and the fork would gradually turn left on long rides...
  • 4 0
 @vinay: Yari was cheap Lyrik yeah and I think Domain became cheap Zeb.
It used to be Recon I think was cheap Pike but that's changed.
  • 11 1
 @vinay: * not Recon (that was a tier down still) maybe Revelation cheap Pike?
  • 2 0
 Pilot
  • 1 0
 @Singletrack828: "stunt jumper" - excellent typo/auto-correct.
  • 10 0
 @rallyimprezive: Zzyzx - a fork whose maximum travel was dictated by the ambient temperature.
  • 6 0
 @iamamodel: and whether it was raining or not. Dry - full travel possible. Wet - lock out engaged.
  • 3 0
 @gulogulointhearctic: Recon I think was the cheaper Revelation (trail fork, bolt-thru option etc). Don't think there was a cheap Pike?

As long as they don't bring back the Indy name we're all good (unless they also intend on bringing back elastomers and as much back/forth flex as up and down).
  • 4 0
 @iamamodel: This comment reminds of Pro-Flex! Those elastomers didn't like the cold.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: duke aka pike. I would restick my pike ultimate with a duke stickers
  • 3 0
 @daveyboywonder:

As far as I understood it -

Recon -> Sektor
Reba -> SID
35 -> Revelation -> Pike
Yari -> Lyrik
Domain -> Zeb

Now it's just -

Recon
Reba -> SID
Psylo -> Pike/Lyrik
Domain -> Zeb
  • 1 0
 @gulogulointhearctic: Revelation cheaper Pike I think.
  • 1 0
 @brycebee: cultural appropriation
  • 2 0
 @gulogulointhearctic: Yeah, actually Domain was a dual crown fork initially, so it started out as a cheap Boxxer.
  • 1 0
 @Stinhambo: Glad they got rid off a Revelation. It was not really any revelation Smile
  • 63 1
 They're probably good for 80% riders.
  • 205 1
 And you can make them suitable for at least 90% of riders by taking the stickers off and putting on Zeb or Lyrik stickers. /s
  • 19 3
 @bigtim: I put a Lyrik Damper and seals into my Yari and put Lyrik stickers on. I did a poor job of sticking them on and they peeled. Took them off and have been riding with no stickers on any of my forks for a few years now

Amazingly they still work!
  • 4 0
 @bigtim: no /s needed
  • 1 0
 80% of riders don't need the stiffness of a 2,5kg form though.
could just buy a pike/lyrik from 2015 onwards
  • 48 0
 The domain is a real unrealised gem of a fork. I had one come with my bike. Was going to swap out for the zeb but the LBS persuaded me to try it. In short, other than the weight it is an excellent fork and Im left wondering why we pay so much more for incremental improvement. It takes on the rough stuff brilliantly and is more plush than my Fox 38's! I really cannot tell much difference. If you arent bothered by weight or you are putting it on an e-bike I struggle to see the point in looking at paying more than 700 quid more. Ive been amazed by its quality.
  • 7 2
 Agreed. I’m enjoying the Domain with the Motion Control damper on my Trek Rail 7. It is a tank of an ebike. Other than the risk of a rotator cuff injury or herniating a disc loading it onto my bike rack, or the risk of breaking the rack, I would pay exactly $Zero USD to make the bike lighter. It could use a shock upgrade, and for shits I’d like to try the Shimano Linkglide stuff. But again, I’d be willing to spend $Zero USD to do so. We have to combat inflation somehow. Not buying stuff is a good place to start. And when buying stuff, buy the cheapest thing possible. Lower end bike stuff is really, really good these days. This is coming from someone who used to sell used bikes to dentists.
  • 13 0
 We pay more because we are suckers and we think we need the best available even though we are fat weekend warriors and not focused competitive racers.
  • 1 0
 No expert, but I think the new damper is very similar to my original Zeb R, which uses a charger damper with an IFP rather than the bladder, if anything I'd say it feels better than the RC/ultimates/etc.
  • 42 1
 Quite ironic that Fox launched gold forks last week when the original Psylo was gold. Hopefully SRAM can now focus on decent entry level drivetrains...
  • 9 5
 SRAM could easily take on Shimano and microshift (and now Tektro) in the wide range 10 speed drivetrain market if they wanted to but I’d be very surprised if they do sadly Frown
  • 21 6
 @samdaman1: Considering all that they've done with cassettes in 8 years is add 2 teeth to the dinner plate, I won't hold my breath.
  • 4 0
 Wasn't the original psylo more of an "electric baby puke green", rather than gold?
  • 8 1
 SRAM and Rockshox are more separate than you might think.
  • 5 3
 So fox /marzocchi release this...
m.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-marzocchis-new-super-z-38mm-fork.html. Then they show off their latest colours which is a copy of the old pyslo....

Then rockshox off a similar fork for ~$400 less, minus the spandau ballet colour.

Bravo Rockshox.
  • 1 1
 @rpdale: what would you like to have them do to their cassettes?
  • 1 1
 @rpdale: They did also make that 8 speed e-bike cassette, though it was super expensive, and didn't really seem to catch on.
  • 2 0
 @TheBearDen: Making them lighter would be a good start
  • 3 0
 @scottlakesmtb: it’s a little hard for me to call this damper similar to the grip x
  • 1 1
 @olafthemoose: I understand completely. I failed in not completing enough comparative research into the components that make up the entire product.

Apologies.
  • 1 1
 @samdaman1: you think they’re leaving money on the table? Or is it a little tougher than you think to take on a brand with decades of experience in turning a profit on durable, functional, and affordable drivetrains?
  • 38 2
 Solid entry level forks. This is great news.
  • 17 0
 Rest in peace Yari Frown the budget enduro king will be sorely missed.
  • 2 0
 I love my yari
  • 13 1
 Similar to old bike vs new bike test videos on same trail it would be cool to see "best fork from 2014 vs budget fork from 2024" comparison.

I only ask because I'm now over 2 decades into this sport and sometimes like to shake my cane at all this new fangled stuff. It really is amazing how much better suspension is, budget to baller, these days in general though. I feel like the progress both in mtb and dirtbike suspension in the last 5 years alone has been more dramatic than any other time in the last 20 years.
  • 4 0
 I have the opposite impression but I'd like this perception to be put to the test. Older suspension seemed to go forever without a service and still perform reasonably well.... while modern forks need service more frequently with the lower end forks simply not cutting the cheddar. RS 35, Manitou expert damper, and cane creek all starting with poor performance or losing it quickly until rebuild. The Marzocchi/Fox Rythm series seem like excellent budget options still though.

2014 Fox Factory 36 Fit 4 vs 2024 Fox 36 Performance would be a good test

Alternatively,

2010 RS domain vs 2024 RS domain
  • 12 1
 @maestroman21: maybe, just maybe ( I am just guessing here) those 2011 - 2015 forks were shit, and as they wear, they are still shit Big Grin lol

My first bike had 2010 Fox 36, I didn't know you need to service it, I didn't even know you need to lube a chain... seriously... I just though you ride a bike and that is it.

Anyway, 3 years later getting into MTB, riding in Kickin Horse and etc, washing it with pressure washer, my 36 were still working absolutely fine. All this while foam rings disintegrated, inside of the lowers was water mixed with oil and sand, lowers were corroded from inside ( gross AL corrosion that looks like mold), stanchions started to sand down the walls lol.

As I am thinking about it now it was pure nightmare. But forks were still working, because they worked like shit brand new, and continue to work like shit even after they started to run water\oil\sand mix Big Grin

But I might be wrong
  • 3 0
 @valrock: Hahaha, could very well be. No performance degradation if it had none to start. I probably cared less about a click or two of compression damping back then too....
  • 3 0
 @maestroman21: I have a 2003 Dorado that feels better than almost anything out there. Same with some coil forks from the mid noughties. But be kind and open up your suspension at least once a year. They'll last forever then.
  • 3 0
 The old open bath Marzocchi stuff was IMO fairly comparable to modern suspension in terms of function, but with more weight and (much) less travel.

Otherwise, yeah, new stuff is amazing. I had a paper route to buy a Manitou 1 one summer, though, so I'm a dinosaur. Everything even vaguely modern feels great to me!
  • 3 0
 The Fox stuff from ~2014 was a relative minimum in the performance and QC end of things. Stuff older, and newer is loads better.
  • 4 1
 @maestroman21: heres my take.
2003-ish I had an original Psylo that was good fun for about 1 day until the U-turn adjust stopped working and it started bleeding oil and then lost all rebound damping. Lasted less than 1 year until it was basically unrideable. At least it looked cool at the time.

2004-ish I had a manitou black that was solid until the travel adjust stopped working and then it got stuck in the compressed position. local shop said it was either unfixable or not worth fixing, that was after about a year

2006 ish I had a marzocchi drop off that lost all rebound damping after less than a year and turned into a heavy cool looking pogo stick

2008-ish had a manitou sherman that looked awesome, rode great, travel adjust and all then it just turned into a brick stuck in the compressed position after less than a year riding (bought it used)

In the 'modern' era I've abused, and been unable to break a Lyrik, Pike, and 35 Gold. All going well past their regular service intervals without complaint and still running strong.

So in short the early 2000's stuff was hot trash and the modern stuff works better, more reliable and does fine with minimal attention
  • 1 0
 I kinda feel 2014 with the 160mm Pike with the Charger Damper was the dawn of a new era. For Fox and their forks that time it was the dawn of a new error, but the turned things around after that. Riding a Pike RC from 2015 and a Pike Select + from 2022 wasn't THAT much different, I honestly felt both were lightyears ahead of my 2003 Fox Talas 90-130, which admittedly is in another class, but just doesn't feel nearly as supple. The Talas were better than the 1999 Judy's they replaced, which were night and day better than the Quadra 21r's I had before them. I never got a chance to ride Mag 21's. Long story short, small progressions over time have made for big improvements when viewed holistically.
  • 2 0
 @woofer2609: I think it's hard to make really close comparisons. I mean was your Talas QR or thru axle for a start? The Pike has quite a bit more travel. What I quite like is still I have lots of old bikes with forks on them. So I can ride them back to back. Honestly 20mm axle coil forks from nearly twenty years ago were really good. I have a 145mm coil Nixon, 150mm coil Travis, even a 180mm coil Travis. All with 20mm axles. It is a little bit when I read someone saying new geo is light years ahead of previous bikes. They've just bought a 160mm full suspension bike that's slack coming off an entry level hardtail. There were great bikes in the past.
  • 1 0
 @ChazzMichaelMichaels: Agree with you, and there are lots of variables, and I'm basing my feelings on a seat of the pants comparison. I still own the TALAS, and it just isn't as supple as the newer Pikes. I think air spring technology and damper technology in particular has come a long way.
  • 15 0
 Loving affordable performance
  • 9 1
 It appears that RS has gone away from the cheap plastic damper they’ve been using for years. So many of those have disintegrated in to pieces as I’ve attempted to extract them the upper that I make them a consumable during a Rock Shox rebuild on their cheaper forks.
  • 1 0
 Was the 20 year old MoCo Motion Control the longest serving damper technology of all times?
  • 1 0
 @JohSch: Probably, only thing that could compete would be whatever's in the Van R.
  • 15 7
 funny enough, my seemingly unridable 120mm x-fusion 32 fork has better small bump compliance than my rockshox pike ultimate, even after servicing the pike. Big Grin
those budgetforks are way better than people assume
  • 11 0
 I bet some won´t even recognice a difference if there where tested "under cover"
  • 8 0
 the Pike RC3 is I think the best fork I've ever had, I love it
  • 10 0
 For their prices high end forks literally sucks on quality control. For thousand something euros they must come from factory with perfectly burnished bushings yet here we are where a cheaper fork that got lucky with bushings is plusher than the 5 times expensive counterpart
  • 2 0
 Damn I'm glad someone else thinks the small bump compliance on the Pike Ultimate sucks. I went from a Fox 34 with a Grip2 to my current Pike. I really don't like the Pike.
  • 7 0
 @teo7z: at some point you have to accept that all these forks are good and that you're better off with a fork with less adjustability as the chances that you made the fork feel bad with your setup is 100%
  • 3 0
 @teo7z:

My Pike Base with Rush Damper has better off the top than the Ultimate I used to own but nothing beats a DVO for small bump pleasure!
  • 1 0
 @erdinc: I've found in my limited experience that lower end forks are more likely to have their bushings undersized and subject to premature wearing out, while high end forks are often too far the other way with excessive bushing friction. Only took 4 years of riding for my fox 34 bushings to get broken in, just a sign that you need to ride more when the bushings are tight.
  • 1 0
 What year is your Pike? I found the Charger 1 (after work noted below), and 2.1 to be amazing, and the 2.0 not at as good. Didn't hear great things about the 3, as it was an IFP design like the "Select" models in previous years.
Have you torn your forks apart? Initially I was super unimpressed with my Pike RC forks, but had a vacuum problem or clogged equalization port between the negative and positive chambers. After breaking a sweat to equalize pressure by pulling up on the bars and pushing down on the brake arch I got them to equalize, followed by a service which included a new seal head/design in the rebuild kit, and I had a totally different feeling fork
  • 2 0
 @vtracer: You wouldnt believe how much friction expensive forks have, No fork should need 4 year to break in. these are supposed race ready products
  • 2 0
 @woofer2609: It's a 2021 with the 2.1 damper. It worked fine when I was out west for two weeks beating the crap out of it in some seriously wild riding. But I find it's not suited for the constant roots and rocks of central VA riding. So it's progressive but not very sensitive. I service the fork at the appropriate intervals and I set it up using RS recommendations with minor tweeks based upon my riding style.
The grip2 34 on the other hand was great. Just enough progression with really supple beginning and nice mid stroke support.
  • 2 0
 @woofer2609: same for me, ultimate 2021 with charger 2.1. since i'll finish my apprenticeship next year, i'm looking forward buying a fox just to try it out Big Grin
  • 6 0
 Entry level forks are always slept on. Fox and rockshox make an excellent product from the ground up. Low-speed compression can be nice to have, but in the past I've preferred the performance of my entry level rhythm damper over my Grip2's. I've only ever ridden Rockshox Ultimate forks, but even then I just run +1 click of highspeed and +2 clicks of low speed with fairly neutral rebound. TLBig Grin R, base model high end forks are probably more than enough for anyone who doesn't travel a ton and is just looking for a good ride.
  • 1 0
 thats without the fact that for setting and forgetting is way better for some people
  • 5 1
 So will the Isolator Damper fit existing 35mm platforms? E.g. could you put it in a Revelation or Yari using a MoCo (Motion control) damper? Sounds like it's a step up from moco, and if it's cost effective it could give new life to some old cheap forks.
  • 3 0
 If these forks contain the same Debonair air spring as the more expensive forks, then there is no reason that there should be any noticeable top out if the rebound speed isn't excessive. Could you go into this in more detail @dariodigiulio? Currently something seems to be missing from the picture.
  • 3 0
 Yeah, ask RockShox if that's normal, sounds like a warranty issue.
  • 7 0
 @tigen: Top out would drive me nuts. I think it's one of the worst feelings short of a loose headset.
  • 3 0
 This is the important question. A simple fork is fine, a little less performance is fine. Top out is a hard no and deserves more than one line in a glowing review.
  • 1 0
 It kinda sounds like there's only a single rebound flow path so it may be necessary to run the rebound adjustment at a position that's too open for low speed control in order to get sufficient flow at high speed.
  • 4 0
 I bought a bike with a Boxxer Select on and then upgraded to a charger because everyone told me I would get more giirls, I cant tell much of a diffrence and I heve seen no girls?
  • 3 0
 I wish they would make something in the middle for the rider who wants the lighter weight, but not all the settings. I'm a set it and forget it, but I'd pay a middle of the road price for something that bridges the gap with lightness but less complicated set up.
  • 1 1
 I think the Select Zeb/ Lyrik are the closest you get
  • 1 0
 @Genewich: The damper in the Selects is a different Damper. Select+ is a big step up, I feel, if you can get an OEM take off.
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609: I agree, but OP asked for something with fewer adjustments. As far as I can tell Select+ still has LSR, LSC, and HSC like the Ultimate forks do, but Select only has LSR and LSC.
  • 1 0
 @Genewich: You are correct. I was basing my assumption on my own 2022 Select+ forks which only had compression and and rebound adjust, same as the Select.Looks like they added LSC in the current gen.
  • 4 0
 I don't fully see how this fits into the current range it seems to overlap with the revelation and the 35, unless they are planning to remove one of them
  • 10 1
 From what I've heard both of those forks (35 especially) are not great, even considering the price.
  • 25 0
 Copied from another news outlet:

"RockShox’s new product addition is the Psylo, replacing the Revelation, Yari, and 35 series forks."
  • 8 0
 @Floho: That would actually help quite a bit in clearing up their line up.
  • 1 3
 @Froday: 35 is absolutely fine, while it works. They do develop bushings play and bushings are not replaceable. That is the main drawback. But until that happens, they work absolutely fine. Also you can usually pick brand take off on Marketplace for about 250 bucks Big Grin

So it's a good disposable fork Big Grin

I assume these prob are gonna have same issues
  • 1 1
 @valrock: The 35 is way too heavy though. Made such a difference to the balance of my bike when I switched it out for a Lyrik.
  • 3 0
 @Floho: I would be keen to know how it compares to the Revelation. I have built a bike with a 140 Revelation, and I'm quite happy with its performance and stiffness, plus it's pretty light at around 1900g. So in essence, the Psylo is quite a bit heavier, but if it's the better performing fork, I wouldn't complain about the simplification in the lineup
  • 1 0
 @hardtailpunter: Good point. I just put a take-off Revelation on a bike a built up for my wife. It's stiff and quite light for the money. The Psylo is similar i weight to the z1 coil (which is cheap right now, it was another option I considered). Maybe RS is making sure their cheaper options are now also their heavier options?
  • 2 0
 I'm curious about the floating piston. The last gen of Select forks had an internal floating Piston (2022 and earlier, IIRC), and I could never get my 2022 Lyric Select to feel "right" after coming off a fork with an original Charger Damper (2015 Pike). I switched to a Pike Select + with the 2.1 Charger Damper which blew it out of the water. Curious how the IFP design stacks up against the 2.1, and how this Isolator system fits into the realm. Anyone have some experience riding multiples of the dampers care to chime in?
  • 5 0
 So does the Psylo replace the Yari in RS line up?
  • 3 0
 I found articles on other sites that say the Pyslo is replacing the Yari, Revelation, and 35. At least in these travel ranges, because the 35 was also sold in short-travel XC versions and I don't know if those are being replaced by anything different. Overall, they're simplifying the model lines
  • 2 0
 While I'm not likely to replace my grip2 or ohlins suspension anytime soon, I rode a coil marzocchi fork a few weeks ago and was amazed at how far mid level suspension has come. I'd like to try one of these options as well.
  • 1 0
 mid level stuff are great since 2018 or so. But taking into account all the crazy sales I paid less for top end suspension on my bike than I would pre covid for mid level and I am never going back unless I need to pay full MSRP ( which is probably will be normal again soon)
  • 1 0
 I think you're just feeling coil. Steel is real
  • 1 0
 yeah my z1 coil kicks ass
  • 2 1
 Glad to see an updated damper. I rode a bike with a motion control damper damper (2022 Revelation) and a Charger RC damper (2023 Lyrik) and couldn't get along with either one. I always felt they would rebound too much, even with the rebound all the way closed. I assume this was due to being around 200lbs, but I just felt I couldn't get it to not destroy my hands/arms. Luckily I was able to upgrade to a charger 2.1 damper.

Who knows, maybe I was doing something wrong.
  • 7 1
 moco has 2 rebound speeds, bloody quick and the flash
  • 1 0
 @mior: the moco damper was much worse ahaha. Even closed I would get bounced around like crazy and my forearms would be dead on the same ride I normally did on other forks I’ve owned (z2, fox 34 grip, fox 36 grip2)

I think I could have gotten the charger rc to work better, but I got a wicked deal on a charger 2.1 damper.
  • 1 0
 @Ryan2949: i still run a moco....
new DH bike will have a formula nero C which i hope will be much better.
  • 2 0
 I owned an older Recon Gold Coil RL (in 26" QR guise) and a Yari with MoCo. They would both take single hits fine, but enter a rockgarden and they would practically lock out, the oil probably couldn't move fast enough. Both rebound and LSC adjustments worked and made a perceptible difference though.
  • 2 0
 my 2001 Psylo had total travel adjust via a 30" flathead screwdriver there was 23 turns of the driver to get from 80mm to 140mm it helped balance out the Santa Cruz Suoerlight so the suspension matched.
  • 1 0
 I thrashed on my the last gen domain for a year and was stoked on its performance. I did upgrade to a fox 38 with grip 2 that I had fluid focus put their magic touch on and the biggest difference was corner traction and small bump compliance was better with the 38. The domain did have more of park feel to it and was better for pumping through some flow. Super easy to set up the domain as well. I’d still be using it if I hadn’t taken a beating in a couple bad spills.
  • 1 0
 This is really smart. Established companies like RS and FOX have a lot of technology to lean on so they have the ability to product products like this that are very similar to higher end product from just a few years ago. Trickle down technology is a huge benefit to these companies and to consumers.

This is a great move on their part and definitely will be taking a swing at companies in those lower brackets. Marzocchi/Suntour, etc.
  • 3 0
 Would be interesting to compare to other forks in the same price bracket - something like mattoc comp, suntour aion/durolux/auron, marzocchi z1/z2, etc
  • 1 1
 Suntour on top, mattoc, then zocchi, then this. There
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 Still got my old pyslo xc on my 01 Kona scab in the garage. Bought the one with the orange U-turn and when it inevitably pissed oil everywhere like they all seemed to do, the lovely people at freeborn warrantied it and gave me back the previous years model. Kind of a shitty thing to do to 15-ish year old kid that didn't know any better and just wanted to ride.
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 Question is did you get to test it on their "north shore" trail out the back of the shop?
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 @commental: ha, I heard rumours of that, but never saw it myself
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 A fork for us riders who don't go near dirt but still want beefy fork to look down on as we saunter our way along the seafront.
I like it. Now wheres is Fox's entry level 38?
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 No in stanchion storage? I'm out.
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 I store an Avy hybrid damper in mine.
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 Dig it! The previous Domain could take a Charger damper upgrade, does the new fork still allow this? Thanks!
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 The way I'm reading it from the new damper being "baked into the fork" and the fact that they're selling the new damper as an upgrade option for lower end OEM Psylos and Domains is that the Charger won't fit. Hope to be wrong as I'm sure the upgrade option would be pretty useful for some.
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 As far as I understand it, no - but I haven't pulled it apart yet to dig in.
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 @dariodigiulio: That would be a bummer if so. It would be a great upgrade path for someone who buys a more budget build, and gets into, and then wants the nicer stuff.
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 It'd be interesting to know if MRP's new Lift damper could fit the Domain/Pyslo, and if not, why?
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 @PHeller: That would be a cool retrofit, but if a Charger won't fit, they might have to build a different Lift damper for it vs the ZEB
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 My guess is that the internal diameter is a bit different because Charger doesn't use the internal walls of the stanchion as a sealing surface - it's all contained in the damper cartridge itself. Though it would have to be significantly smaller internal diameter to prevent the Charger damper from working because I don't think there are many places it makes contact with inside of stanchions.
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 @dariodigiulio: just looked at the sram website and it says the psylo is 130 - 160
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 @p0rtal00: Potentially they only sell it off the shelf at 140-160, and spec OEM at 130 and offer a 130 airspring.
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 @dmackyaheard: ah I see, thx for the clarification
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 Anyone else have a Psylo with U Turn in the 200's? Bet the new one feels very similar because that fork was pretty impressive.
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 I had the SL which was very pretty to look at. But I went to a Super T with a 20mm axle afterwards so I can't really compare them.
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 I had one on a GT iDrive bike. It was my 1st full squish bike after ~15 years on rigid. So yeah, it was sweet. It could have sucked absolute balls and I would have loved it.
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 I wonder why the 'Rush' damper wasn't used for these (as found on an entry level, OE Lyrik forks). Is this 'Isolator' even a cheaper option?
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 Even they must have lost count of all their different dampers by now.
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 I hope this new damper is better then then the motion control. That damper was terrible.
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 Whoaaaaa the Psylo is back?! That fork was awesome like 25 years ago, LoL!
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 ill be super interested to see how the psylo compares to the Z1/Z2
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 A 100mm Psylo gold RC could be an awsome DJ fork tho, people will tolerate that weight difference and boost spacing when it's like almost half price of that 914$ Pike DJ.
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 I suspect these are really durable n performance as good as some recent higher end models, it still has to meet certain standards
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 I ran a 130mm Reba 26 for 9 years...set and forget.
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 That quite a standard cycle for SRAM: once the brands will start asking cheaper kits for their bikes, new forks/brakes/transmissions will appear. And then again
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 Psylo race came on my 2002 KHS Bitch. Was super nice, until I somehow snapped 1 upper stanchion!? Replaced with the original Fox 125R.
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 Even more nostalgic than hearing the word "psylo" again was you reminding me of all the vulgar mountain bike names in the early 2000's. Khs dominatrix, 24 p.king and le toy, cove bikes and their line up. And does anyone remember the planet x bike seat with a wang on it?
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 If only they brought back the U turn …. Had a black u turn Psylo back in the day. Creaked like crazy but that travel adjust knob was so cool !
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 I thought the 35 was their cheapest fork (and I've heard it's shit), but maybe you mean aftermarket Dario?
No hint of coil options for these then?
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 I mean aftermarket. No coil as far as I know, I doubt they're looking to add more weight to them.
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 Smashpot zeb may work on the domain
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 35 (Gold and Silver), Yari, and Revelation are all discontinued in favor of Psylo. Domain only replaces the current Domain (B1). Psylo Silver has OE coil options, but nothing in the aftermarket.
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 @dariodigiulio: is the damper compatible with other RS forks, regarding threads etc.? Would it fit into a Yari or Zeb R?
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 This is what I was hoping would be the Domain of the new Super Z, but the cost makes me sigh that it's not lower.
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 We need golden Psylo race!
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 That was a good looking fork! The new now is called "Psylo Gold" ... but is black -?!
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 Has anyone else noticed there's usually a weird Judeo-Christian theme to RS's fork names?
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 Haven't noticed it. Please explain.
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 @schu2470: There's the book of Lyrik in the bible, Judy is the one that betrayed Jesus, 35 is the number of disciples Jesus had, King Pike wrote the book of Lyriks, Jesus forgives you for your SIDs, Reba is the mother of Jesus, Zeb freed God's people for the Egyptians. It's all there dude.

Revelation is the only one that doesn't seem to have an association...

As a long time Christian, I don't see any wierd themes in the names. But t was fun making up some.
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flag wburnes FL (Apr 16, 2024 at 11:14) (Below Threshold)
 "Judeo-Christrian" is a contradiction in terms
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 @wburnes: that term refers to the common beliefs in both religions. They are more similar than they are different.
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 @wburnes: judeo-christian is not a contradiction as it is not the name of a religion. Christianism is a fork of judaism so the whole point is to mention the family of religions.

Some other use the word abrahamic religions to mention judaism, christianism and islam as they all have the same common yahwist/judaist root.
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flag wburnes FL (Apr 17, 2024 at 1:24) (Below Threshold)
 @PtDiddy: they have little in common at all, besides being old. In fact they exist in opposition to each other
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 @opignonlibre: Christianity is not a fork of Judaism. You might be able to say that about Islam, but Judaism is very different from Christianity and Islam.
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 @wburnes: The Old Testament is based on the jewish Tanakh. Yes it is a fork. Jesus was a jude, his apostles as well.

It might not seem obvious because both Judaism and Christianity have evolved for 20 centuries afterwards. The judaism we know today is not the same as 2000 years ago.
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 @wburnes: there are two religions more closely linked.
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 @schu2470:
Judy - from Judea, Judah, Jude, Judaism
Tora - the Torah, Hebrew religious text
Zeb - Zebadiah, Biblical character
Duke - David Duke, massive wrong un but identifies as Christian
Pike - Albert Pike, massive Freemason foretelling a WW3 based on religions
Revelation - the last book in the Bible
Boxxer - er, the occupation of Samson in the Bible
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 @wburnes: I've always found it strange that although Islam recognizes Jesus and Judaism doesn't, a lot of Christians don't seem to want to acknowledge that for some reason.
Sorry if that offends any Christian folks out there, I'm sure you'll forgive me though.
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 @PtDiddy: I laughed
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 @MuddyFoxCourierComp: You look hard enough at anything; you can find associations. It is easy to find a name associated with a Christian from the past. My name is Paul, but I was named after my crazy uncle. Not Paul from the Bible.

You really had to reach far for the Boxxer-Samson comparison. Samson was not a boxer; he was a warrior that fought against the Philistines. He was in his share of brawls, but in no way was it "boxing". There is literally no meat on that bone.

You did mention "Freemason". We all know that is associated with Christian conspiracies. It least, that is what the History Channel tells us.
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 @commental: What do mean by recognize? That is a broad statement. All three Religions recognize him as someone that existed. The Jewish view rejects him as a prophet, their Messiah, and as the Son of God. Islam see him as a prophet that did perform miracles. They do believe that he will return someday, like Christian's do. Albeit there are some differences in how and who he returns as. But they don't see him as the Son of God. Christian's see him as the Son of God, sent to die for our sins.

Don't worry about offending people. You’re not being rude; you’re just making your point. But yes, I probably would have forgiven you.
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 rode a Domain DC for several years...never had an issue. Glad for some wallet-friendly alternatives...
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 So the Psylo comes to replace the Yari ?
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 Yes. And the Revelation and 35 in this travel bracket
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 For $600 - New Domain vs. Used Zeb?
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 I wonder if is compatible with a pike/lyrik dampener? I had a Lyric Select that topped out and It drove my nuts. Upgraded the dampener to a Charger 2.1 RCT3 that I bought from Jenson’s and now it’s mint.
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 What does progressive mean? I only have reference to Dream Theater, Opeth etc.
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 Subtext: "These low-cost alternatives to the Lyrik and Zeb might just be worth a second look."

At almost every point in my riding "career" low cost alternatives were always worth the first look. Stupid road bike is an exception.

I have neither the money nor the skills, to explain myself to a man who rides and tests under the blanket of the very journalistic duty his employer provides, and questions the manner in which I spend either of said money or skills.

(Edited movie quote prompted by some unsolicited strong feelings about lower tier component value. Sorry-ish.)
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 Will the Psylo be a better quality fork than the 35?
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 It would be impressive if it could be worse than the 35.
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 the Pike RC3 is I think the best fork I've ever had,
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 What kind of bike is this?
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 I picked up the latest Lyrik ultimate for £755
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 And now you can buy a Fox in the original Psylo colour!
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 can I buy this to upgrade my 2021 yari?
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 got it - frameworks!
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 Mag 21
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 I think that marzochi is better
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 It’s also like $400 more
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 @l8igz: listen hear buster! you must ride with sr suntour stock spring loaded shocks!
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 sub $600 lol
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 Uh, well yeah, 549 is less than 600 in most units I know. Am I missing something?







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