First Look: Race Face's Era Carbon Cranks Are Guaranteed For Life

Oct 31, 2022 at 14:49
by Matt Beer  

An era is defined as a long, distinguishable period in history surrounding notable events, often based on industrial advances, which suits the naming of Race Face’s latest carbon crank. The Era carbon cranks are intended for everything from cross-country to enduro based on their strength-to-weight ratio.

The combination of black fibers and metals used in the ERA crank make it Race Face's “strongest, stiffest and most durable design yet,” a statement that's backed up with a no questions asked lifetime warranty. That even covers you against stuffing the cranks into the ground during a crash or mis-judging gap distances. In their words, they, "designed the ERA to be the last carbon crank you need to buy."

Race Face Era Crank Details

• Crank arm lengths: 165, 170, 175mm
• Spindle: 136mm length x 30 diameter
• Material: carbon arms, steel wear plate, 7050 aluminum spindle
• Lifetime warranty (original owner)
• Weight: 483g w/ 32T, spindle and hardware
• Price: $500 USD / $650 CAD / 489 EUR
Raceface.com
At 483 grams, the Eras squeak in under the weight of Race Face’s current enduro-focused Next R cranks and feature a stainless steel plate that wraps around the arm in the high-friction footwear zone to eliminate wearing through the carbon layers.

There is no shortage of options available with the Era cranks either. You can choose between seven graphic colors on either side of the crank arms, but all of those use the shiny raw steel plate. The $500 USD price tag includes the spindle, spacers, and your choice from one of eight crank boot colors.



Specifications

Aside from picking your color matching crank boots, the arms themselves come in the three usual lengths; 165, 170 and 175mm. Race Face worked on narrowing the crank’s Q-factor, the width that the arm protrudes from the BB shell to the outside of the pedal thread, which should also help alleviate chafing that steel plate. The total Q-factor stands at 176mm, like the Next R.

Along with the release of the Era crank, there is also a new 55mm Direct Mount Wide (DMW) chainring, specifically for Shimano 12-speed chains, that mates to the future-proof Cinch system.


Warranty

Cranks built to "outlast your bike" are strong words. Going forward, Race Face’s newly implemented lifetime warranty now covers the majority of their components, excluding dropper posts and other items that require servicing, against any failure induced by riding - crashes included. This only covers the original owner and omits poor mechanic skills or inattentive drivers, meaning, don’t cross-thread your pedals into the cranks or drive over your bike and hope to receive a replacement.

If you do horribly case a jump or tomahawk down the trail, Race Face will cover those broken components with that warranty policy and ship you a new set at no charge. You can also set up a claim yourself online or through a shop, no matter if it’s an aftermarket purchase or the Race Face component that came equipped on your bike.

We’ll be performing a lengthy, long-term review on the ERA cranks over the course of the winter and will be back with an update to see how they have fared through the soggy PNW conditions.


254 Comments

  • 212 3
 Used to be metal arms with carbon stickers but now is carbon arms with metal stickers.
  • 66 1
 RaceFace has officially come half-circle.
  • 24 78
flag thewanderingtramp (Nov 1, 2022 at 13:33) (Below Threshold)
 CARBON FIBER CRANKS SUCK ASS ,change my mind
  • 13 5
 They still own me a big fat discount after selling me cranks with glued on carbon that also came loose.
  • 8 36
flag conoat (Nov 1, 2022 at 15:29) (Below Threshold)
 @drapeau: bet they still break too easy.....gotta stick to your core ethos as a company! Race Face: building unreliable parts from carbon since 2004!
  • 5 1
 @conoat: The SixC cranks were the best ones they made. Yes, I see a few occasionally that break, but not a single non-carbon crank is guilt free of cracks/breaks occasionally.
  • 101 3
 Yes
  • 43 6
 Indeed. Been flogging a set of 165mm of these since spring for testing. Shuttles, pedalling 6k up, 40k down park days. Great cranks. Zero issues to report!
  • 6 0
 @nubbs: I suppose no needs for that mega huge allen key on the left crank arm? I hope it's gone for good
  • 37 1
 @pakleni: That's correct, the left crank arm uses an 8mm Allen for the hardware, which was an update to all our Cinch equipped cranks.
  • 6 1
 yo @raceface do these use the same cinch interface? if i've got an existing power2max spider based power meter for next/easton cranks, will they work with these?
  • 9 15
flag Compositepro (Nov 1, 2022 at 11:10) (Below Threshold)
 i love it when someone does a press release and they put carbon crank and life in a sentence....If you do horribly case a jump or tomahawk down the trail, it wont fucking matter the pedal eye will have come loose months before
  • 22 8
 @nubbs: Wow, you had a $500 set of cranks last 6 months? Impressed!
  • 7 2
 @arcatern: They do!
  • 8 4
 @Compositepro: We love it too. Also, if you have questions about Lifetime Warranty, Crashes Included, you can check out the details here: www.raceface.com/pages/lifetime-warranty
  • 20 13
 @raceface: My last set of RF carbon cranks had the threaded insert come loose on both sides, and RF replaced them under warranty.......3 months later. I sent them back in early June, they came back with a replacement at the end of August. SUPER HELPFUL! WTF was I supposed to ride for the summer? Warranty is one thing, service is another. I won't buy another RF product, sorry. Too many worthy competitors out there.
  • 12 8
 @dcaf: We're sorry to hear that. Situations like yours helped us craft our new warranty and service procedures so we are hopeful that these types of issues never arise again and we can find ways to keep people riding during their peak seasons.
  • 8 3
 @dcaf: exact same thing happened to me
  • 5 2
 @dcaf: My cranks failed in same way, had replacements to me in less than a week, plus a new hat for the trouble. Was about a year or so ago. Hopefully this speaks to improved warranty service, unless your issue was also recent.

I went aluminum cranks after the above, but if raceface keeps up there speedy warranty support might try carbon from them again.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: What tool interface is the self extractor cap? Not the crank bolt, but the cap itself. thx
  • 10 3
 @doctorpritchett: Three broken sets here too, and another friend had three also, and yet I still had to deal with being accused of lying by Raceface and their distributor, who claimed they'd never had a set fail.
  • 6 5
 @raceface: I hope warranty guys are better are picking out sarcasm than their PR guys
  • 4 4
 @DubC: The top of the extractor is a 16mm - we have an adaptor that comes with the cranks in the box, but local shops should have it as well!
  • 3 1
 @bishopsmike: Some cranks have the life of a mayfly , define life.
  • 10 3
 @Compositepro: based on the British flag, it's all sarcasm, and ours was just drier?
  • 3 3
 @raceface: the sarcasm will still be there when the warranty claims start rolling in
  • 2 0
 @pakleni: That’s only the crank extractor cover. You don’t use it unless you need to replace the crank bolt.
  • 4 0
 Atlas FR cranks were/are still some of my most favorite cranks ever. They're bulletproof. And like above all these people, I once had three different sets of X.0 cranks warrantied and all three times, I torqued the pedal insert loose from the carbon arm. Maybe they're good for dainty little brodudes? Not sure. Warranty is cool, but dealing with warranty sucks and downtime sucks no matter how pleasant or quick you try to make it. I long for the day that somebody solves that problem with a better way to fuse the threaded insert than so many cranks seem to have.
  • 4 5
 @dcaf: Look man, you can raise an issue more politely than that I think.
  • 10 7
 @greener1: I was really polite all summer waiting for my cranks, and RF stalled, didn't answer emails, and generally ignored me. I had actually given up on the warranty replacements even though they assured me (when I finally did get a response) it would be honored. I had bought another brand's cranks and paid to have them installed before the new RF cranks mysteriously showed up. So yeah, I guess I am a bit 'over' being polite when the RF rep here is all smiles and sunshine, acting like their carbon cranks and their warranty service is wonderful. Sounds like others here haven't had the best experience with RF either. Buyer beware.
  • 3 0
 @Sweatypants: The best solution is to have the threaded insert made out of the same stuff as the crankarm.

Someday they might be both made of carbon, but right now metal is the best solution. I've never had the threads come loose in any metal crankset no matter how old it was.
  • 3 0
 @danger13: amen. and Atlas FRs are just machined out of the billet. there's no insert to do anything with. I had one of my sets on 3 different bikes spanning like 8 years. i'll take the quarter pound weight penalty any day.
  • 1 2
 @Reno233: Unless it get loose while in the middle of nowhere where it can ruin your whole weekend
  • 5 1
 @dcaf: My experience with Race Face Next R carbon cranks is: threaded insert loose on one side after 9 months; play between the crown and the crank on the other side 3 months later.
Warranty was super fast, received a new set in 10 days.
Cheers
  • 5 0
 @dcaf: it’s simple just own five bikes #nomissedrides
  • 2 4
 @dcaf: My wife bought a second hand bike with RF carbon cranks. Same thing happened but no warranty obviously since they were used. I'd avoid any used bike with RF carbon cranks or ask for a discount to cover the inevitable replacement in a few months.
  • 4 0
 @dcaf: i had FSA carbon crankset that had the same issue, they refused to take it under warranty. I stay away from carbon ceanks since then.
  • 3 0
 @honourablegeorge: I had three sets go and on the third set (still in warranty) just binned them and fitted Hope cranks. I would never use or recommend RF Carbon cranks to anyone. It is alright having a lifetime warranty but it still means you bike is out of action. If fact I don't think I have had any RF product that was any use.
  • 3 0
 LOL amazing some guy from race face shows up saying we have a new warranty policy will this give a company with a track record of WHEN not IF our carbon crank product fails its credit back!
Is it just the way the world spins now, as long as we keep the customer happy when the product breaks what have they got to complain about? Tell you what give us a product with a proven track record of no failures rather than premature warranty promises on a forum berating others who dont have anything to prove
  • 1 0
 @MysticMCyclist: hey don't worry i bet they still have more returned carbon cranks than likes on their new warranty policy here in the comments
  • 88 15
 *puts on tinfoil hat*
Raceface offers lifetime warranty because there'll be a new crank standard each year so no one will use them for longer than 1 bike....
  • 110 2
 Interesting take! We've utilized our CINCH system to help folks adapt cranks for wider chainlines, wider bottom brackets, different drivetrain manufacturers, 2x, 1x, oval rings, press-fit, threaded and we're ready to support whatever comes our way.
  • 24 5
 No 155mm length (or the looming 152.5) though.
  • 29 1
 @nateb: I'm waiting for the obligatory 154.99mm GX cranks
  • 27 0
 @nateb: I heard 169mm puts your feet in the reversed position with the best possible feel
  • 18 0
 @raceface: "interesting" is the ultimate "lol no" codeword. Love it.
  • 6 1
 @raceface: had a wall of race face stuff my son’s had broken. It was quite impressive. . . . Even a pair of aluminum cranks!
  • 2 1
 @rideordie35: love me some dub
  • 20 1
 @DizzyNinja 169mm with a 420 chainline?
  • 2 0
 @nateb: pffft, too long. The missus has 152mm cranks on her eeb.


Pro tip: isis bb+unicycle cranks can have you down to 80mm...
  • 1 0
 Or they file for bankruptcy and change their name?
  • 62 3
 As per others, don't see the need for carbon cranks. But it's a handsome product, and kudos for @raceface for answering questions in this comment section.
  • 6 2
 Putting carbon cranks on my hardtail was a noticeable upgrade. Made pushing into and out of corners feel better. Snappier (in a good way) and more responsive.

Went ahead and slapped some carbon ones on the full suspension hoping for the same effect. I can tell zero difference to aluminum. Guessing the shock and maybe flex from the linkage obscuring any benefit from having stiffer cranks. Also they exploded and now I'm back on aluminum...
  • 2 0
 @Lylat: I hadn't consider the difference for a hardtail - makes sense.
  • 2 0
 @Lylat: And here I thought I was immune to upgrade fever with my new steel hardtail.... damn it.
  • 49 3
 These look good. But cranks have just never been a place where I’ve thought, “damn these should be carbon”
  • 107 0
 That's OK, we understand, which is why we make Turbine cranks too!
  • 7 0
 Agreed. My cranks take more of a beating than anything else on my bike. I have some serious gouges and deep scratches in my Aluminum XT's. I cant imagine what a set of Carbon ones would look like. Although I would love to have a pair of these Cranks, They wouldn't look this good for long.
  • 4 1
 Tried a few carbon cranks, but to much smashy smashy, plus how can i walk away from that RF anodize bling on the Atlas beef goblins!!!!
  • 5 0
 @raceface: Still think the Aeffect cranks are the best looking alloy cranks out there. Polished mine up for a build and they were so pretty.
  • 1 0
 One of my bikes has aluminum RF something or nother, didn't ever notice the weight but looking at the rock strikes I'd cry if they were carbon
  • 4 0
 Carbon XO1 cranks on my first trail bike handled all kinds of abuse from a newish MTB rider smashing everything. Currently running the same Turbines for about 5 years now on 3 different frames. I really want to put something fancy on, but can't justify replacing something that just works.
  • 7 0
 @raceface: I love my Turbines, been running them for over 4 years without a single issue.
  • 2 2
 @raceface: Woulda been cool to use the same metal wear plate on the Turbine cranks, too...
  • 3 0
 @raceface: I love the new Turbine Cranks!
  • 6 0
 Was thinking the same thing just looked up xt cranks 30g heavier and one fifth of the price. Even rf aeffect cranks are only about 60g heavier. I appreciate the lifetime warranty and that in some way goes to justify the price. But other than bling what's the advantages of a carbon Crank for any brand not just raceface
  • 11 0
 @briain: recommended by 4 out of 5 dentists!
  • 1 0
 @rideordie35: I have 2 bikes with Aeffect cranks (without the self extractor). Agreed, they look nice. Polished would look awesome but mine aren't really beat up. As they are older, they're also 175mm but since they're in awesome shape they are not getting replaced.

I know RF is all-in with Cinch and it is versatile, but if I'm at home in diy mode I find that lockring really annoying and much prefer the SRAM 3 (or 8 on road) bolt system. But still, a good set of cranks for me so far and lots of chainring choice (including 26t for my old, less-fit, slightly oversize self).
  • 1 0
 @briain: And SLX cranks are 10g lighter (not that that matters), and it’s $60 cheaper too.

There’s no reason not to go SLX cranks, or if you prefer to have SRAM direct mount or DUB, then one of the Descendant or GX Eagle cranks, which cost just a little more than SLX.
  • 1 0
 It's all about the looking good! Hopefully they sell these individually rather than as a pair. Gotta be able to mix and match colours.
  • 28 0
 Never once have I had RaceFace question me when I contacted them about a warranty. Fantastic service that usually includes some kind of offer to keep me riding in the short term if what's broken is only available in the long term.
  • 22 1
 We're stoked to keep people pushing pedals. Thanks for your continued support!
  • 3 6
 Good for you, my experience was just the opposite. 3 months out of service before replacement.
  • 23 0
 I've had over 9 race face inserts come loose. in the span of about 3 years.

Crank side pedal side.....all within a month or two use in rocky terrain.....I smash my pedals....we all do, it happens.
I admittedly do it more than most....as I ride XC style on very rocky terrain. 6C next R and next SL cranks...doesn't matter. I've loosened the inserts at both the pedal and the axle side of all these crank types.

Crank brothers pedals and cleats wont survive my riding but I've had only 1 shimano SPD repair in that time. and 9 race face crank arm repairs.

Why do I ride these still?
1 i don't wanna buy new bottom brackets for my bike.
2) spare crank arms are cheap and easy to find in mismatch sets. So I've always got a spare to swap out during repair time.
3) I repair them.....once they develop ANY detectable play I soak in isopropyl alcohol allowing that to flush and dry and sucking a low viscosity resih into the voids under vaccuum (resin infusion) the space in the loose insert can be filled. and it becomes tight. After this filling I have not had a single repeat failure after years of abuse

Although I love that these are canadian made. The fact that I haven't had a single repeat failure is of huge significance. this is consistent with flawed manufacturing creating poor bonding to the insert high voids or potentially the jagged insert chewing away the soft carbon on impacts. I hope this has been addressed. Past cranks have not been performing to design intent of the materials and most people are cynical to carbon cranks as a result.

Raceface if you want a test pilot....There probably isn't a more reliable crank smashing machine on the planet.
I'd gladly mount a G sensor and give you guys measured feedback on the beatings these things actually see in the wild.

Or if you're confident they are now solid. Send me a set of ERA cranks....I can mount a go pro on my bike and build a 3month highlight reel of all my pedal strikes on set of ERAs that you can use in your pro-mo material to prove that they are solid.
  • 58 4
 Yes, that has been addressed and was key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test. If you are having continued issues with a previous generation product, please reach out as soon as possible to our service team. Whether we replace your Next cranks or line up a discount on Era, we will find a solution to get you back on the bike.
  • 13 2
 @raceface: I accidentally clicked the downvote button, but I meant to click upvote. Love your responses and vibe in the comments. And love your products!
  • 4 14
flag stephenthesquirrel (Nov 1, 2022 at 11:04) (Below Threshold)
 F**k that! How much spare time do you have?
  • 1 1
 @raceface: Are these made in Vancouver? Certainly something I'd put into your announcement if they are!
  • 4 0
 I think it is fair to acknowledge that not all components are suitable for all kinds of riding. In your shoes i'd probably just admit to myself that this is not a use case for carbon cranks, switch to a good aluminum (or titanium?) set and be done with it.
  • 22 5
 Would be nice if the warranty was extended to the innumerable people who have had manufacruting defects with the Next series of cranks. I know people who've had issues that were 'never seen before' and 'not covered under warranty'. They then took it to Robert Composites who said they've seen dozens and dozens of requests for repairs that they won't touch with a ten foot pole because the repairs just don't stick.

They now just have a $600 useless pile of carbon with no repair/replacement option. I'm sure hundreds of people are in the same boat if my experience in a small town shop was any indicator, we probably had about 1/3 of all we sold have an issue.

At the very least they should have a trade-in option for a discount. Ship them your defective Next cranks and get these things at a significant discount/free. Would do wonders to repair all the goodwill they've lost over the years.
  • 15 6
 We hear you. If you are having continued issues with a previous generation product, please reach out as soon as possible to our service team. We will find a solution to get you riding.
  • 15 2
 @raceface: Three pairs of Next SL cranks in my house. Two of the three have had the crank loosen off the axle. One was on a gravel bike the entire time, the other set was on my 120mm XC bike - both times I was told that they are not warranty because I must have over-ridden them and that this is not a known issue. So the soon to be useless third pair will bring my total to $1800 of defective cranks that have not been taken care of by Raceface.
  • 6 4
 @bluepen: Please reach out again. Whether we replace your Next cranks or line up a discount on Era, we will find a solution to get you back on the bike.
  • 3 3
 @bluepen: LOL a known issue, they shouldnt have a know issue at all they should be fit for purpose, warrqnty doesnt fix crap from the outside and we know about it
  • 5 3
 @thewanderingtramp: This was a key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test. This combined with many thousands of ride testing hours give us the highest level of confidence in the new design!
  • 13 1
 These look kind of cool, but I’m here to complain about 55mm chainlines. Why are we doing this? Our bikes don’t need front derailleurs anymore. We can run 2.4” and 2.5” tires comfortably. We can even do so with short chainstays, which some companies are inexplicably clinging to even though our chainstays probably should be longer than they usually are. So why are we compromising our shifting and drivetrain longevity in pursuit of more space in our bottom bracket/chainstay/rear tire cluster?

In a related gripe, I realized the other day that XTR M9120 is 52mm chainline but XT M8120 is 55mm chainline. WTF Shimano, why would you do that? Make the numbers make sense. And then shop people, or website copy for online retailers will tell you that 8100/9100 are non boost and 8120/9120 are boost. Really, 9100 and 9120 are both boost but different Q factor. 8100 is boost. 8130 and 9130 are superboost. And 8120 and 9125 are this stupid in-between 55mm bullshit that gives us nothing we need and robs us of something we like. Fanatik doesn’t even sell the 8100 crankset because apparently they think that’s non-boost and no one buys non-boost anymore. They’re perpetuating disinformation!

2.6” tires and 425mm chainstays aren’t real. They’re a figment of lame c*nts’ imaginations. We don’t need to be designing bikes around these parameters.

148 spacing. 52mm chainlines. Chainstays 430-450mm depending on wheel size, rider size, and intention. Clearance for 2.4-2.5” rear tires. We’ve already got everything we need. Let’s stay here in the sweet spot.

MAKE. IT. MAKE. SENSE.
  • 7 1
 From the RF perspective, we like to support frame manufacturers who might have different takes on what creates the "sweet spot!"

55mm, generally, supports Superboost, but also some different takes on best chain line. With the CINCH system it's just which chainring you chose (Direct Mount or Direct Mount Wide) so it's a simple choice, no spindle width changes necessary.
  • 3 0
 Yeah Shimano specs are supremely frustrating. I did a ton of research to make sure I'd get the right chainline and it was confusing at hell looking at cranksets labeled boost with a 55mm chainline spec. I finally figured it out myself that the 8100 is 52mm chainline and to go that route even though none of them were labeled boost.
  • 1 0
 Sorry my bike is pissing you off with its 420mm chainstay and 2.8" tyres. -YOU- don't need it. Some of us like it. The rest of us need it. Is it that difficult for you to read specs?
  • 1 0
 @dancedancedanny: My being frustrated with Shimano chainline spec labeling has nothing to do with you, your bike set up, or your 2.8" tire.
  • 11 0
 Just commenting cause Im stoked to see Race Face answering comments, and improving an existing standard instead of replacing them. I have 2015ish Cinch Turbines on my main ride and they have been a good product and have been installed and uninstalled a few times now without issue. The BB bearings do seem a bit fragile, but I have been able to press out and press in new sets of bearings into the cups easy enough. that is about the cheapest BB replacement you could ask for. These cranks look pretty bling!
  • 7 2
 Thanks for sharing, that's awesome!
  • 14 3
 I'm surprise there isn't a bunch of comments about the pedal insert coming loose.
  • 2 1
 Wait? What?
  • 15 6
 Still looks like the same plastic preload ring though.. that definitely won’t last. Why not just do it right and make it metal like Canecreek
  • 59 0
 The preload ring is redesigned, utilizing a larger bolt and larger gripping area. As well, and with a nylon ring it prevents noise from metal on metal. The preload needs to be finger-tight, which means the nylon design does a great job!
  • 3 28
flag bman33 (Nov 1, 2022 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
 @brycepiwek & @raceface Exactly!! RaceFace 100% knows those plastic/nylon preload rings are garbage and I bet 90% of the ones I have seen/used in the while break. Cane Creek Alloy versions are the way to go. Shame RF hasn't done the same with such high end cranksets. Yes they note 'larger bot and lager gripping area', but that isn't very reassuring. Needs to be more durable....
  • 9 1
 I just use 30mm spindle spacers. Takes 5 extra minutes the first time you install, NEVER fails later....
  • 3 0
 i replaced the plastic one from race face with the cane creek one on mine and it has been great
  • 15 0
 @bman33: Question, how many of those preload Rings have you already destroyed? I have not yet managed to in 18 Years of riding and I ride an average of 5000km a Year. Dont even know anybody who had that happen but I guess some People can break everything
  • 3 0
 @raceface: thanks for the response , glad to hear it’s been improved upon. In the past the main issue I had with the nylon ring was more to do with the threads for the tiny screw stripping out easily (despite best efforts to be careful with it). I swapped to the metal canecreek version on my altas cranks and never had any issues with it. Naturally my anecdotal experience/impression of the preload ring was that a metal version has no real down sides other than a few grams and cost.

Again cheers for the response!
  • 3 4
 @RockCrawler: 3 on Six C cranks, 5 of my buddies who ride/race at Expert or higher levels also cracked a few or the stripped threads some have mentioned. Most of us many years turning wrenches and know torque settings, correct tools, etc. They were /are disposable junk. The Cane Creek allow versions are excellent upgrades. Not sure why my initial post was downvoted as much.
  • 7 0
 @brycepiwek: You can also add a longer screw with a nut at the end to fulfill the purpose if you strip the plastic threads. Don't forgot to slap it and say, "that's not going anywhere"
  • 1 0
 @krka73: Why have I never thought of this. It always baffled me that companies use the preload but shimano gets away with spacers. I have had to re-glue the thread portion 2 times on my Ewings. Very annoying.
  • 8 0
 @kirny6: You just have to be careful that you're not using the crankbolt to "clamp" the crank onto the BB - the preload is like tightening your headset with a top cap - just enough. If you use spacers to use up the space, it's best if you still do the last little adjustment with the preload collar so that you don't over torque the bearings and bind them up!
  • 14 6
 Cranks: guaranteed for life.

Corresponding 30mm BB bearings: guaranteed to fail in under 1 season.

Get a nice metal Shimano crankset, you can use Shimano 24mm BBs that will actually last!
  • 2 0
 a effect
  • 2 1
 Surprisingly I'm have worst durability with Shimano BB on my Mtb. They start to creak after half a season. That plastic cup they use between the spindle and bearings is simply driving me nut. Fine dust always seem to make it's way in there and make everything creak like nothing else. Grease it, lube it, let it dry without anything, the end result is always the same.
  • 2 0
 @lRaphl: My experience has been the opposite, RF 30mm BBs are just shockingly terrible (like a few months before they get rough), Shimanos are way better.

I do have a 30mm crankset on one bike (eeWings) but have been running a Wheels MFG BB with it (after going through multiple RF BBs). That works great.

I'm in the PNW so water and mud are my enemies, not fine dust. I guess YMMV and there's no perfect solution!
  • 2 0
 I'm currently rocking the Shimano 24mm BB, and RaceFace Affect R's in 165mm length.

Did it for the bearings, and the compatibility through cinch if I wanted to change drivetrains.

I do find it weird how pretty much all the high end cranks, seem to be 30mm spindles (eewings, 5dev, etc). But not sure why that is. Lighter, Stiffness?
  • 2 0
 @Drew-O: Complicating all of this is the fact that some BB shells are simply not well aligned. I have one bike who's Shimano BSA bottom brackets last about 2 years, and the another frame where I replace the BB every 6 months

Granted, since I've determined that the alignment isn't great, I'm buying cheaper BBs. So maybe I could squeeze more life out of a nicer BB.
  • 5 1
 Was hoping to see this... I have had terrible luck with RF bb's... total bearing failure after a few rides, some bearings arrived with no grease... compare that to the XTR bb's that I've had on multiple bikes that just won't seem to fail. Shimano high end bb's are pretty much unbeatable for the money.
  • 2 0
 @lRaphl: what bike? if it's a pressfit bb then there are other issues likely at play, if it's threaded then I am surprised you are having issues.
  • 2 0
 @Drew-O: Ive had multiple bottom brackets and I can tell you over the years RF changed the bearings and seals substantially.

Not saying that the problem you had is solved, just feedback that RF did not pump out the same garbage without improvement.
  • 1 0
 @jcav5: Got the same problem on 3 bikes with BSA BB. Giant Anthem 1 2008, Iplay IP-038 and RSD Wildcat V2. All 3 not having problems when using RF BB or other BB with bearings contacting the spindle directly.
  • 7 1
 Shimano XTR +/- same weight, cheaper, they won't lose the thread for the pedal, they won't crack on impact. Why do we need expensive, heavy, unreliable and whimsical carbon cranks?
  • 13 9
 "designed the ERA to be the last carbon crank you need to buy."

Nope - my old SixC cranks were the last carbon cranks that I’ll ever buy. Won’t touch carbon again when there are such great options from Shimano and Cane Creek (if you have the $$$$).
  • 6 1
 did they fix the issue with the pedal threads ripping out of the crank arm? I'm already on the second set of Next R in just over year after the first pair had the treads rip out of the carbon.
  • 3 2
 Yes, that has been addressed and was key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test.
  • 6 0
 Man, these look freaking awesome! Well done RF, especially with the warranty. I have never owned carbon cranks before, but these could be the ones.
  • 1 0
 Congrats; you are the target demographic. Someone get this man a set of carbon cranks..
  • 4 0
 @Otago: Sweet! Sounds like you just need my private personal info and I'll receive my 1st ever carbon cranks? I'm used to giving that info when I receive calls about my car's warranty so it's no big deal. I'll hit you up!
  • 5 1
 Raceface carbon cranks are the only component I have broken 4 times...

2x warranty jobs and 2x I was out of pocket
All times from metal parts debonding from the carbon.

Would never buy again without a lifetime warranty, so good job they’ve done this...
  • 6 0
 That has been addressed and was key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test. If you are having continued issues with a previous generation product, please reach out as soon as possible to our service team. Whether we replace your Next cranks or line up a discount on Era, we will find a solution to get you back on the bike

And if you have any questions about the lifetime warranty, you can check it out here: www.raceface.com/pages/lifetime-warranty
  • 3 0
 @raceface:
Good to hear, I appreciate the reply.
  • 5 2
 Ignite Catalyst - 510-550g - arms, spindle, and hardware - $400
White M30 - 570g for arms, spindle, and hardware at 175mm - $320
5Dev Trail/Enduro - 525g - $350
Shimano XTR - arm, sprindle, hardware - 470g - $400

The Era Cranks are a fair bit lighter with a 85g 32t ring than competitors (making them about 400g for arms, spindle, hardware), but at $500 without the chainring, they are substantially more expensive ($578 with RF SHI 12 32t ring).
  • 21 0
 shimano SLX 630g 70 euro
  • 1 0
 Rotor KAPIC cranks purchased from German Website.
  • 3 0
 @ilyamaksimov: you can save some weight with a aftermarket chainring for ~$80USD bring that total down to 570 for a SLX vs this 483g/XTR 540g. for 1/3 of the cost.
  • 3 0
 5dev cranks are $500
  • 2 0
 @sb666: correct. Looks like the kid-short 135mm cranks are the only ones for $350.
  • 6 1
 Metal to protect the fragile carbon from getting scuffed by a sneaker, but rubber to protect the fragile carbon from getting smashed into rocks?
  • 7 2
 The dynamics of wear are different where the heel rubs versus where the crank can strike a rock!
  • 3 0
 Pushing “lifetime guarantee” products is just silly. When drivetrain standards change, what will happen to the piles of carbon wheels and now cranks that have been rendered obsolete?? Gimme a frame and parts with a 5 year no questions asked warranty-that’s a reasonable lifespan for the bike frames I ride and the parts I build them with.
  • 5 1
 Interesting take! We've utilized our CINCH system to help folks adapt cranks for wider chainlines, wider bottom brackets, different drivetrain manufacturers, 2x, 1x, oval rings, press-fit, threaded and we're ready to support whatever comes our way.
  • 3 1
 When is it called a "failure". If it stops functioning or already when it stops functioning as well as it once did? Actually cracking a product is a clear case, but what if things eventually develop some play, start making noises, plastically deform. They can still do the job, just not as well as what you paid the surcharge for.
  • 8 1
 If a product is not working as intended, reach out to our service team. You can read more about what is covered in our Lifetime Warranty here: www.raceface.com/pages/lifetime-warranty
  • 1 0
 @raceface: Thanks for your response. I can't find anything about bent components so here is a case.

A good few years ago I assembled a steel DMR hardtail and I installed a 400x26.8mm seatpost of yours with a bit of setback. I think I was about 67kg at the time (and probably still below 75kg with clothes, Camelbak etc). When I rode it to the trails, I was riding seated over the road and had the post extended all the way to the minimum insertion mark. When I hit the trails, I slammed it all the way down and rode standing. I only jumped with the seat slammed. Soon enough the seatpost started to bend above the minimum insertion mark, so this prevented me from sliding the saddle down properly. I contacted your warranty dept and explained what happened. They said it wouldn't be covered under warranty as this was an XC post and not for jumping. I explained that it must have bent during the seated road pedaling as that's when the post was extended. But they repeated that the post was not for jumping so that's where I gave up on expecting anything from warranties. Since, I've ridden posts from the likes of Azonic and NC17 in that frame and they all bent. Except of one from Thomson. That one was so expensive that I never dared to extend it so I just quit seated pedaling and have been riding with a slammed saddle since Wink .

Either way, under your current policy, would this seatpost be covered under warranty or do you consider the bending of a seatpost normal wear and tear?

Not saying I've only had bad experience with your gear. My 780mm low rise aluminium handlebar is well over ten years old, three rides a week on average and plenty of crashes and still going strong.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: we would find a way to get you riding under the new warranty!
  • 1 3
 @raceface: Yeah good to hear yet at the same time I can imagine this would turn into a process where you'd continue to send me posts and I'd bend all of them. There weren't that many companies making 400x26.8mm seatposts (so which could extend 300mm from the top of the 400mm seattube) and I feel like the ones who did, didn't know what they got themselves into. After all, I bent the Azonic and NC17 posts just like yours and these are considered "hardcore" brands too. Maybe the designers didn't take flat pedal riding into account, which may bounce a bit more than clipped-in riding. 300mm extension is a lot and 26.8mm is really tiny. Warranty means different things to different people. For some it may imply getting a free replacement. For me, buying something with warranty implies getting a piece of mind that it will continue to perform under the intended conditions. The 400x26.8mm posts I've tried just don't do that. So living up to that promise would require a redesign, new extrusion dies and all that. You'd never do that, it would be a huge waste for such a niche product. Even DMR moved away from their 26.8mm seattubes. I just can't accept the waste of either sending me a thousand free seatposts (which I'd all bend) or replacing the extrusion die for this niche product. Warranty sounds nice but sometimes it is better to just give up. "Sorry, we failed and we aren't in the position to offer you a replacement that lives up to the promise." Maybe offer a nice pair of gloves and be friends.

My daughter rides the DMR now. She's only 30kg so she won't bend anything (and she still rides with the saddle slammed when on the trails).
  • 6 0
 My Next SL crank is still going. I'd get these.
  • 4 2
 Awesome to hear!
  • 2 0
 i know there are some issues with raceface cranks but i've had next SL cranks for about 2 years now and i've ridden them REALLY hard, way harder than raceface says you should since they're supposed to be ultra-lightweight XC rated cranks but theyve held up to many whistler days, shuttle days, thousands of miles of pedaling, etc etc. i, for one, am impressed with how they've held up.
  • 2 0
 Nice to see this but after owning SixC cranks on 3 bikes I’ll never get another carbon crank. As awesome as they are, they’re in a high impact and wear zone. I’ll stick to aluminum from now on as it’s cheaper, not worth the gram savings and at least I can continue to ride my bike down the hill after I bend an arm instead of having it explode
  • 6 0
 Props to raceface for answering people questions
  • 2 0
 These guys have great marketing. The website is cool too. Besides the arc rims I destroyed promptly, The pads, gloves, handle bars etc have been tough and lasted for a long time. I had some bad experiences with dakine a long time ago and now have a bunch of their stuff. I’m sure making something that fits a niche, a price bracket, making a profit,and sturdy enough is pretty dang hard!
  • 2 0
 I'm running a set of Next R cranks on my Rallon since 2018....work just fine. I'm actually swapping them over to my Deviate that I'm building to replace it. Never had in issue with any RF Carbon parts. I also run the Next R 45 Bars on my 4 bikes, and I have 3 extra in varying rises in the parts bin.
  • 3 0
 I'm curious to know what the fix was for the threaded insert coming loose inside carbon cinch-era crankarms (leading to play)?
  • 2 2
 That has been addressed and was key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test.
  • 2 0
 @raceface: Good to hear it! The lifetime warranty does help rebuild some confidence as well.

Thanks
  • 3 0
 Interested as to why Race Face doesnt put any protection on the ends of the crank arms, this is a spot where I have impacted my cranks really hard many times on rocks
  • 5 1
 We can't tell you what's in the cranks, but we can allow you to customize with various crankboots to add cosmetic protection!
  • 6 1
 They make crank boots for this exact reason. Cheap and replaceable.
  • 2 1
 Personally I’d prefer a clear 3M-style film to protect the side of the crankarm from scuffs and a stanless steel boot to protect the end of the crankarm from rocks strikes.
  • 3 2
 @bogey: We used to do 3M, which works but also can look grisly over time. Boots are a perfect solution as they absorb some shock!
  • 3 0
 @bogey: I wonder if a metal boot would just transfer the impact right on through to the crank anyway... vs the dampening offered by the rubber ones.
  • 1 2
 @Quinn-39: boots are great at preventing scuffs but are less than ideal for preventing delamination which is the biggest enemy of carbon fiber. A well fitting, epoxied stainless steel “boot” will help with delamination as it spreads the load of the impact over a larger area.
  • 1 0
 @raceface I know the new turbine cranks don't offer lifetime warranty like these, but are both of these cranksets about the same in the amount of abuse they are built to take? I'm a 200 lb larger rider that is trying to use one bike for both trail riding and freeriding.
  • 2 0
 The new Turbine is included.
  • 3 1
 We have Lifetime Warranty for Turbine! Check out the details here: www.raceface.com/pages/lifetime-warranty
  • 2 1
 These cranks are as solid as the come! My first thought was the metal plate was goin to fail immediately,
Still there and I’ve cased the sh*t out some bigger things lately and they still look brand new, no worries to report! Thanks raceface!
  • 1 0
 Would be good if the old bonding problem has now been fixed...I like the cinch system but was stung on the SLs coming to bits Turbine seem indestructible to me though, I use Hope BB which are fantastic, especially considering the wet and mud we get here, recently replaced bearings after 7 years use. The Hope cups are a bit slimmer than RF which means another spacer needed, but this gives a choice of chainline so not a problem for me
  • 1 0
 Just like to say that I've been riding these ERA cranks as a RF tester for the summer and fall. No issues. I've smashed a lot of rocks with the crank ends. They look super clean still, are definitely light and stiff feeling. Look very stealth. In the past I've also had the spindle inserts occasionally come loose. Last set of Next R cranks which are still going strong have lasted 3 years with absolutely no issues. I believe RF has listened, observed and stepped up to the plate to create an awesome Carbon Crank with a solid warranty. There warranty and service with RF and Fox products is at a totally acceptable level now.
  • 2 0
 You mean someone hasn't complained that they aren't available in 145mm length? I figured the short crank brigade would be out in full force.
  • 3 1
 Always check “Below Threshold Threads”
  • 2 0
 Marketing geared towards 20 year olds... Product geared towards older riders... Winning combo. eeWings already took all my money.
  • 9 2
 Wait. We were marketing towards Vampires, actually. Great longstanding customer base, but complicated since we're not sure if they are actually "living."
  • 1 1
 Wait. Do I understand this new warranty correctly in that I could buy an aluminum aeffect wheelset for around $500, smash it to the point no tire will ever seal on it again, and then have it warrantied? If so, that's a bold move, raceface...
  • 4 0
 no. to quote their website - "Our Lifetime Warranty does not apply to the slow wear and tear that mountain bike components are subject to. Some examples of this wear and tear are the bearings in your hubs and bottom bracket, worn chainring teeth or visible dings/flat spots in aluminum rims. If your parts are scratched up and still function as intended, the Lifetime Warranty is not applicable. Keep riding!"
  • 5 0
 @qman11: Point goes to Canada for reading comprehension and research as well as friendly response
  • 4 1
 @way2manyhobbies2keep: The only caveat being if the rim was smashed during a crash, we would want to make sure you were able to get back out riding. Make sure to touch base with us if a product no longer functions as intended!
  • 1 0
 @qman11: thanks for the thorough read!
  • 1 0
 While I havent had much luck with Racefface cranks, including NextR's snapping, their warranty service has been great in the past. I just hope they dont rely on that as a solution. Doesnt look like they which is great.
  • 2 1
 That has been addressed and was key priority for the new Era crankset. We developed a test in the lab to replicate that failure mode, turned up the intensity beyond what any carbon and most alloy cranks could handle and then made sure the Era crank could repeatedly pass the test.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: Great to hear!
  • 1 0
 Again, kudos to Raceface here but in the back of my mind Im imaging the CMO state the new warranty policy an the product team sweating night and day to make that a reality. Its a tall ask from anyone.
  • 1 0
 "Future proof" Cinch system chainrings... you mean like my 5 bolt chainrings? or my 4-bolt chainrings?

Or maybe my biopace oval chainrings?... oh no, wait. Those ones are back.
  • 2 1
 We've offered CINCH Spiders for 2x and 3x, as well as solutions for oval, changes in chainline, different spindle lengths and more - not saying you shouldn't keep your Biopace rings.
  • 2 2
 How many carbon cranksets dollars worth are one set of EEWINGS?
I had the same stories, heard the same stories, and eventually saw the math. THE MATH DOESN'T LIE.
It’s 3. We’ll actually closer to 2.3….
And no more waiting on warranties from ANYBODY that makes carbon stuff.
ITS A PROACTIVE FINANCIAL DECISION as a life long mountain biker TO BUY METAL CRANKS.
I don’t love the CHONKEY LOOKS, but I hit shit and it’s usually a rock and not just “some shit.”
And when I do?
I keep riding.
Sometimes I congratulate my cranks. Out loud. While still smashing the trail
They’re little magical unicorns, these space metal pedal arms…
They like it when I smash their faces with rocks.
That’s what I call a RACE FACE…..
  • 2 0
 I have eewings. They are sick and I imagine they will last as long as I need them too. I also have a set of next Rs on another bike that are 2 years old with zero issues. If they fail, I’ll call RF and figure it out. I’m literally laughing out loud at people saying I’m on my 37th set of cranks. They failed, they all failed. Dude. At some point get the warranty replacements and sell them.
  • 1 0
 @raceface

Same spindle as before? I wouldn't mind trying something new on my fat bike now that my Turbines are a bit beaten up and the color is out of place on the current bike.
  • 1 1
 I also had another issue with a RaceFace alloy crankset, the cache bolt is made of soft alloy with no marking on how to remove it, so i tried to remove it the wrong way. Now i destroyed the bolt, i don't know what to do with the crankset, except praying the main steel bolt still does its job and does not need this alloy cache bolt.

@raceface could you make sure you add a proper sign on your parts?
  • 1 1
 Raceface have the inserts been tested down to -c. We all soon realised with the old cranks that it was the thermal expansion differential between the carbon and metal that was causing the inserts to fail 2 of us rode langollen afew years ago and it was -5 by end of ride all inserts on both bikes had failed and have had this happen many times in our group on 5 different bikes and riders due to cold weather have your tests been carried out in these conditions?
  • 1 0
 Next R pedal inserts came loose on my girlfriends (!) bike, not even a discount offer from RF as the cranks were older than two years. I guess that's it with "Lifetime" warranty
  • 1 1
 I’ve had two sets of race face next sl fail. race face has always stood behind their product. I just needed to send pictures of the loose pedal insert, also proof of purchase.!! they just sent me the arm that was broken not the full cranks set. Warranty people have always been nice and cordial and fast responding. There’s a fine line between making things light, but also strong seems race face is working on this and that’s all I ask. I have also seen a friend of mine break the driver side crank arm break right in half while going down a huge downhill. luckily, he landed right in a huge bush that saved him from injury. He will never use Race Face again!! My next set of Cranks will be 5dev alloy Kranks made in California!! we’ll never have to worry about them breaking in half!!
  • 4 1
 Sick! Just wish they made them in a 155
  • 3 1
 Would buy theese if they had 24 mm spindle. Could be even heavier, I don't care.
  • 1 0
 They make that.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, alloy spindles wear fast, steel 24mm lasts longer
  • 1 0
 @b1k35c13nt15t:
The best they make is aeffect R. Have saw one broken already. I cant compare them to my current atlas fr. This os crankset - it has to hold up not only riding, but cases, crashes etc.
  • 1 0
 @raceface - will you still be making chainrings with the previous narrower offset or are you moving entirely to 55 mm chainline?
  • 3 2
 We make both!
  • 3 1
 I sure hope they've found a way of making the pedal thread inserts stick this time
  • 5 4
 I’m gonna take this opportunity to complain about the low quality, low durability of RF soft goods, gloves, shorts, armour. Stuff just falls apart.
  • 1 0
 www.empirebmx.com/profile-ss-cranks

Lifetime guarantee on these from what I remember. Didn't stop my friend from bending them though.
  • 1 0
 Build carbon cranks with alloy inserts. See carbon fail and alloy survive. Keep the carbon and replace alloy with steel. Keep wondering.
  • 3 1
 Serious question: Does anybody still ride 175mm cranks? Why are they still offered? Why not 160, 165 and 170
  • 1 0
 Agree, and 155 for DH
  • 2 0
 @robhyldahl Yep, I do.
  • 1 1
 I can’t think of any reason to prefer this to X01 DUB, which doesn’t break, weighs less, and uses a significantly longer-lasting bottom bracket. That model is also available NIB for about half the retail on this RF set.
  • 1 0
 im still on the Next R and it had been on 3 different bikes and i must say its rock solid till now. the best or probably one of the best cranks hands down.
  • 1 0
 Amazed how many people on this thread have had multiple failed RaceFace cranks not covered by warranty. What's the decision process going on there?
  • 12 10
 Will be hard to be worse than their next crank
  • 4 2
 Why are Q-Factors getting so freaking wide?
  • 9 0
 Chainstay clearance for 2.6 tires.
  • 2 1
 I for one like a wider Q-factor. I've gone for the widest setup I can. My body hurts less after a ride, feels more comfortable on descents too. Though i would say it's a body type thing and each person has their own preference.
  • 3 2
 "Cinch System" More like "Torque it to 150 ft-lb and it will still loosen up and creak" system.
  • 1 0
 Rocks included?! My current black Xt cranks are becoming silver. Ride it like it you stoled it
  • 2 0
 So are these made in Canada like the Next?
  • 2 0
 So the next ext fork will be named ""atlas" or "aeffect R"??
  • 2 1
 I'd buy a set but my NEXTSL cranks don't seem to have any of the issues others bitch about.
  • 1 3
 Raceface seems to be putting a positive spin on how they will take care of you if you’ve had a problem with Next SL’s. Not true - I have endured multiple failures similar to everyone above. At first they were kind enough to warranty the cranks (albeit after months of waiting). Eventually the same problem happened again and… RF said “Too bad for you. We’re done - no more warranty.” They offered me a substantial discount on yet another pair. The Next SL’s are eye candy and I’m an idiot who desperately wanted to get my bike back up and running mid-pandemic so I took them up on it. They’re on my backup bike that I will eventually sell.

In the meantime, I bit the bullet and made an aspirational investment - eewings are the shi*t! Absolutely amazing and with today’s low BB’s I smack them a lot with zero concerns.
  • 1 0
 Raceface at its finest. Still committed to freeride after all these decades
  • 1 0
 I wish the metal went around the bottom of crank as well to protect it from pedal strikes.
  • 6 6
 Adding metal to a carbon crank so it doesn’t wear out the carbon? Why not make a light crank out of metal?
  • 12 0
 The wear plate isn't a structural part of the crank arm so could be pretty thin and light.
  • 12 1
 @timtoldnes: This is exactly the decision process!
  • 2 1
 @tracer2 I guess carbon having about a 30x strength to weight advantage over metal is part of it.
  • 2 1
 Comolded metal impact/skid plates are the future for mostly plastic MTBs.
  • 2 1
 Going to want to read all the fine print first.
  • 5 1
 You can read the Lifetime Warranty information here: www.raceface.com/pages/lifetime-warranty
  • 3 2
 This is certainly a new era of overpriced crank arms
  • 1 0
 No 155mm? Pffff. Missed opportunity.
  • 2 2
 $500??? RF executives need to stay out of the factory and stop inhaling all the fumes.
  • 2 2
 Guaranteed for life…. Of the crank (not the purchaser), so what’s that four years?
  • 1 0
 Bummer there isn't a 155 or 160mm option.
  • 1 0
 Is the warranty the cranks lifetime or yours? Wink
  • 2 1
 I'll stick to Titanium cranks, thank you.
  • 1 0
 awesome spot ,awesome video.
  • 1 2
 Their current carbon cranks are already the last carbon cranks that people buy. After a few warranty replacements, they give up and go back to Alu.
  • 1 0
 Any comparisons to SRAM's XO1?
  • 4 6
 Hmm….I seem to remember when Next cranks had a lifetime warranty and then that changedFrown Also, it looks like that stainless piece is just put on with adhesive or tape….
  • 1 0
 Yes it is a wear plate placed in high wear area, not a structural internal material at all
  • 1 0
 @dh-bomber: ThanksIf I hadn’t just bought the new Turbines I would consider these.
  • 1 0
 @kstegsolo: no problem man. Turbines are nice cranks, bang for your buck and probably last a few decades of abuse
  • 1 1
 Why does it seem like all of the “fancy” cranks, use 30mm spindles?
  • 1 1
 Stiffness
  • 1 0
 Taylor D approved
  • 1 0
 IN B4 broken prototype
  • 1 1
 What about snapped Turbine rear axles? Are those under warranty?
  • 2 2
 Duplicate, deleted
  • 3 5
 Man with the super high fail rate and low quality of raceface parts why anyone would buy them is crazy
  • 2 0
 what exactly is their fail rate? Really, I'm curious.
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