Nicolai's Electronically Shifted Gearbox Enduro Bike - Interbike 2018

Sep 18, 2018
by Mike Levy  
Nicolai Ion G16 Eboxx E14


Guys, here it is; the belt-driven, electronically shifting, gearbox equipped, coil-sprung, 160mm-travel enduro bike that should be the answer to, well, everything? Jokes and the Nicolai's Bosch CX motor aside, this German-made monster is pretty rad regardless of your feelings about e-bikes. It'll also cost you somewhere around $10,000 USD if you want your own, but at least no one can make that old ''It doesn't even come with a motor!" comment this time.

As with any Nicolai, there are some neat details to check out.

Nicolai used to be known for their wacky geometry, but it turned out that they were just ahead of the curve and the numbers they use now, while certainly still on the extreme end of things, are no longer viewed as being too wild. I'd say they're still a step further than what's common, though, especially the 160mm-travel bike's 63.5-degree head angle and 77-degree seat angle. There are a few rigs with the similar travel and angles, but very few are as adjustable as the big Ion.

You can run the rear-end from 461mm to 474mm, 27.5'' and 29'' wheels, up to a 2.8'' wide rear tire, and tinker with the bike's angles until the cows come home.
Ion G16 Eboxx E14

Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
Travel: 160mm
Wheel size: all of them
Frame material: aluminum
Motor: Bosch CX, 500 Wh Intube battery
Drivetrain: Gates belt,14-speed Rohloff hub, electronic shifting, 526% ratio
Head angle: 63.5-degrees
Reach: 520mm (large)
Price: approx. $10,000 USD
More info: www.nicolai-bicycles.com, www.cyclemonkey.com


Nicolai Ion G16 Eboxx E14
I wouldn't call it pretty, but it is distinctive.


Every time a gearbox bike pops up somewhere, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a few wishful sounding comments about electronic shifting. Well, that 14-speed Rohloff hub on the back of this Nicolai is a gearbox, and it's controlled by Rohloff's electronic E-14 push-button system. There are two parts to it; the electronic shifter on the handlebar, and the shift control unit down at the hub that it talks to.

You can shift one gear at a time, of course, or it'll run through all fourteen in a ''fast sequence'' of three. Don't forget that you can shift a Rohloff hub while you're coasting, pedaling backward, upsidedown, or not moving at all. This electronically controlled one probably won't shift underwater, though.


Nicolai Ion G16 Eboxx E14
Nicolai Ion G16 Eboxx E14
All the bolts and all the geometry options.


The E-14 shifter talks to the Bosch Intuvia Performance system that controls the motor, and it's actually able to limit torque applied to the drivetrain when you shift. That shift takes just 180ms, by the way. The motor and rider's power is delivered by a Gates belt drive, while a burly-looking spring-loaded tensioner on the side of the motor keeps it under enough tension.


Nicolai Ion G16 Eboxx E14
I feel like there was probably a sleeker solution to belt tension, but this setup is distinctly Nicolai and looks clever in a weird steampunk-ish way.

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I'm not sure how many pounds all that adds up to, but I don't think it'd be fair to judge a bike like this by its weight. But it was heavy AF, if I'm honest. With it being a porker, having a wheelbase not far off an Australian land train, giant tires, and a downhill bike-like head angle, this is one 160mm-travel bike that's probably not bothered by a bit of rough terrain.


325 Comments

  • 188 16
 When I read reviews on cars, I'm interested in the output of the engine. It seems strange the most important details about this motorbike was left out...
  • 8 0
 What's the interval for ATF change?
  • 24 2
 @chyu: It's a Bosch CX, they're all 75nm (not that anybody who buys e-bikes knows what that means), and top speed will be deliberately left out as it varies country by country.
  • 60 32
 For me, this review provides more than sufficient details to cross off a manufacturer (yet another) from my MyNextBike list.
  • 15 3
 @mi-bike: Nicolai's pretty awesome, even if they carry a hefty price tag.
  • 36 37
 @mi-bike: Same here. I don't buy from companies that make E bikes.
  • 48 17
 @mi-bike: I’m sorry can explain the reasoning of this to me?
I must be ignorant or dumb to not understand how a company having an e bike in their range somehow makes all their bikes undesirable.
So do you go looking for a bike, find one that fits perfect, looks great, rides awesome and has a good price... but wait they make an ebike!
Oh guess I’m buying my second choice that costs $500 more looks like crap rides “ok” and the fits a bit off?
  • 30 28
 @chilli-biker: Mate, sorry to burst your bubble but my second choice doesn't actually cost $10,500, doesn't look like crap, doesn't ride just "ok", and the fit's not off either. But hey, I can't let my wallet do the talking? Maybe it's just me (and @brytar), but I don't buy from companies that feed / feed off this market.
  • 40 4
 @brytar: your choices are dwindling quite steadily.
  • 34 7
 @mi-bike: haha I’m obviously not talking About buying an e-bike as you have made it clear you wouldn’t buy one.
Let’s say you take a nicley priced trek out for a ride... but shit they make an e bike,
Kona nope they make an e bike too
Rocky Mountain.. ebike
Giant.. same
Devinci... shit!
Cannondale... fu$&!
Gt..mother f$&&!!
Mondraker.. son of a...
Cube ......shit balls!
Polygon ...????
Well I guess I’m going to have to get a boutique brand! ( nothing wrong with that but for the average biker $2000+ for a frame only and $6000+ for a basic build is out of the budget)
  • 27 3
 @Dudeclimbsrocks: You are right. However there are brands that will not make an e bike. I believe in voting with my feet and supporting companies that I want to. Cheers @mi-bike we aren't alone in spending money how/where we want.

That being said... Santa Cruz plz plz plz don't do it
  • 27 9
 All I’m saying is why not just ride your bike regardless of if they build and e-bike?
It’s not like they have 5 year old kids wiring the battery’s, exploiting women and children for their pleasure, selling drugs to mentaly ill people, over pricing everyday essential food items so even a person with a decent wage can’t afford to stay out of debt...
All I’m saying is there are bigger problems with this world than e bikes.
  • 24 3
 @brytar: Time to pick up a new Transition Wink
  • 4 3
 @brytar: Sorry to say your list is going to get shorter and shorter.
  • 14 6
 @chilli-biker: I was about to pull the trigger on an ION G16; however, I might side with @brytar and @mi-bike and take my money elsewhere.
  • 3 1
 @Boondocker390: Would love one. Currently on a Bronson II which is all sorts of fun too.
  • 6 1
 @Tearsforgears: I realize that but I bet I can always buy a bike from a company that doesn't make E bikes.
  • 9 1
 @santoman: plenty of great manufacturers out there making great bikes without motors.
  • 6 3
 @santoman @brytar @mi-bike : Why not prove those companies wrong and buy regular bike from them then ? For they'd stop dishing out $$$ for e-bikes that do not bring them significant money.
  • 11 1
 @polarproton: I mean giving money to their competitor might sting a little more...
  • 2 0
 @brytar: The thing is that I would like to get something manufactured in Europe, and then the list gets shorter...
  • 4 6
 @mi-bike: Chances are you can't afford one anyways.
  • 7 5
 @mi-bike: no one cares
  • 23 0
 Is this the 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton model?
  • 13 1
 @chilli-biker: one might argue that design resources put into ebikes means less for mtn bikes. Or you could see ebike develpment as a sign that a company is growing out of touch with their core consumers in north america. Personally, I really have no idea but I do love the drama.
  • 7 6
 @BryceBorlick: true, you might have a point there.
All I can say is they are starting to look good to me!
At 30 I’m by no means old but I am getting more and more joint pain due to medical conditions. Every day I want to get out for a ride but end up not after thinking of the pain and effort of climbing up the hill.
Honestly I would probably get a lot more use out of an e bike and be in a bettter state of mental and physical health just
Getting up in the hills and clearing my mind and moving my joints.
  • 3 0
 @santoman: Do it! I picked up a Mojo G16. Such a sick frame. Regardless of if they make an e-bike.

@brytar: SC seems to have those Kranked bikes.
  • 6 0
 @Boondocker390: i spotted a transition ebike on an IG story at La Bresse... team mechanic was riding it. just saying Wink

oh, rumour has it SC have one in the works too!
  • 7 0
 One could also argue that developping e-bikes means oppening yourself to a much larger market with the growing number of commute bikes. Therefore, this could also make bike companies bigger, with more resources to put in they flagships
  • 4 2
 @brytar: you may as well stop hoping against the inevitable. Seriously, it's all going that way.
  • 17 3
 Was so stoked when I thought e-shifting had finally come to the Pinion Box. Now I feel dirty. This is not an Enduro Bike, it's a fucking MOPED! Fuck that shite,and fuck you for being disingenuous Pinkbike.
  • 4 1
 @brytar: I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one thinking like this. This was one of the reasons I bought from Guerilla Gravity. Hopefully there will still be some options left when it comes time to buy my next bike.
  • 2 0
 @brytar:

SC is corporate AF now, they'll do it. Count on it.

I don't discriminate. There may be a time in my life when an ebike makes sense, like in another couple decades when my knees are nice n creaky.

Also, SC HTLT 2.0 w/ revised layout is gonna be sick.
  • 1 0
 @wtmorgan1:

holy balls i bet they'd sell alot of ebikes tho..... gotta pay Gwinny somehow..... coming soon.
  • 5 0
 Will it pass US emissions testing?
  • 2 0
 @DownHooligan: if they could they would haha
  • 5 0
 @mi-bike: It'll be a lot easier to find non-e-bike manufacturers when Yamaha and Honda decide to jump into the market and obliterate current brands with R&D budgets that dwarf Specialized's entire revenue stream. It amazes me that these small brands want to broaden the market so much that they'll attract the big boys.
  • 1 0
 @wtmorgan1: no pressfit!
  • 2 0
 @chilli-biker:
Pivot , e bike. ( shuttle$
Specialized. e bike
Even santa cruz bikes are owned by a “ Dutch conglomerate “ owners of other brands including “Focus” that makes e bikes.
So were to draw the line??.
  • 2 0
 @mi-bike: you cross off manufacturers just because they make ebikes? You realize that's a lot of brands. It seems silly to not buy any bike from them. They all still make regular bikes as well and they're just as good as they were before Nicolai started making ebikes.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: +1 for creatively mentioning that your first bike choice is $10k. Way cool.
  • 2 0
 Of course santa cruz have an e-bike in the works. They're not stupid.
  • 2 0
 @markar: I bought a Nicolai MPire, the former owner told me that owning one of these is like owning a Ferrari parts are not cheap. I figured out what he meant when Nicolai charged me three hundred bucks for bushings, and another five hundred for mounts. My bike is no longer made but they make all parts custom in their shop so getting them is not an issue but the price is hefty but worth it. They send first time owners a "kit" with decals and catalogs.
  • 1 0
 @brytar: you may struggle to buy a bike soon then.
  • 1 1
 @DownHooligan: What makes you believe that?
  • 1 2
 @mi-bike: because people who typically complain about price are people that have no money. As for your "NextBikeList" better get on that next bike because I don't see any bikes on your profile cheapo!
  • 1 1
 @DownHooligan: I didn't complain about price though.
  • 1 0
 @brytar: but there are great bikes from companies that do make e-bikes as well. If you specifically avoid them, they'll be even more justified as mtn bike sales decline and sales shift to their e-bike offerings.
  • 2 0
 @DownHooligan: i bought a used nicolai years ago (ufo) that ended up cracking. they repaired the frame and re-powder coated w/ new color of my choice - all free. pretty impressive.
  • 1 0
 @db24780: Yeah I don't understand why cycling would want to poke the beasts from the east. Especially when there's this image on their homepage. www.yamahabicycles.com
  • 1 0
 @gonecoastal:

$3500 for a 46.7 lb hardtail, Recon fork, incorrect wheel size...... but the "riders" are wearing knee pads so you know it's siiiiiiick.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: Actually that is a pretty awful bike. I expected better.
  • 1 0
 @chilli-biker: psssst, transition.
  • 2 0
 @brytar: Santa Cruz is owned by PON, which owns multiple brands that make e-bikes, so I guess it would depend on how many degrees of separation are important to you....

pon.bike
  • 2 0
 @brytar: Santa Cruz’s ebike is On its way along with the intense ebike,

I really don’t understand the hate for them, just allows you to go further. And that’s not even thinking about riders that have actual issues with knees hips heart conditions that just couldn’t ride without one.

Nope there not for everyone an I’m def not saying you should be on one but if it make someone happy to be out on there bike then isn’t that person the same as you? Just happy to be on there bike
  • 2 1
 @brytar: dude I'm about 90% certain santa Cruz will have one within the next 5 years. Why wouldn't they? Because a select few illogical people don't want to "support" ebike producing companies? Please. They exist to make a profit. If they didn't make an ebike that would make them stupid and I don't think they're that dumb.

Oh and my prediction is 90% of the ebike haters on this site will all own one in 6 years. The consensus here is it's okay to shuttle a park or in a truck but an ebike is forbidden. Please.
  • 1 0
 @santoman: dude have you thought about how dumb that sounds? Just buy a bike you like to ride. Who cares if they make an ebike, that every bike company will end up making in a few years? There's plenty of more important things to be morally ourtraged about that is accpeted and condoned in every day Life. Don't be stupid.
  • 2 0
 @Squeakybb: dude, I am not morally outraged about Nicolai making e-bikes. They have all the right to do so and I have all the right to choose to support a company that does not. It might sound dumb to you, that's fine. I don't give a shit, and that's fine too!
  • 4 1
 All the negative shit about companies that sell e-bikes. Hmmm..... I remember people refusing to buy from companies that used 27.5” wheels a few years ago. A couple companies even tried to make 26” bikes for these guys, but no one bought them. Vote with your wallet, my ass.
  • 1 0
 @brytar: why? What is wrong with ebikes? Do you buy from companies who make moto stuff? I mean I could understand if you're so anti-motorized vehicle and ideologically consistent that you don't support anything but human powered recreation... you never drive your car to ride or shuttle or ride a lift, right? If so, props to you. IF not, get off your high horse and realize you don't make any sense.
  • 1 2
 This bike is cancer.
  • 1 1
 @jimmychoo401: cause most mental ..guy skid whaaaaaa,,guy ride e bike waaaaaaa ,,why ride alone ..spoil puke mostly ..
  • 4 0
 @brytar: Aren't Santa Cruz Bicycle (company) 's owners (BBB) own of the biggest E commuter companies in Europe?
  • 1 0
 Dude my grandpa is 75 and he just in market for e-bike if your health diminishing at 30 perhaps a look at your diet is in order@chilli-biker:
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: choices will be limited! all talk , bet you in 20 years time you will have a bike from a company that makes a ebike in their range .............
  • 1 0
 @brytar: hang on before buying your next bike, there will be plenty of highend non erides avail for cheap at garage sales or for free in mtn town dumpsters ... right next to straight skis, toe clip pedals, rigid forks, etc. Please tell me you never got on a chairlift to ride unless it was powered by sunshine and daises.
  • 2 0
 @chilli-biker: Commencal? Knolly? Transition? YT?
  • 2 0
 @Oldish: That doesn't make any sense. Why would you take an E-bike on the chairlift?
  • 2 0
 @usmma2013: sorry usmma ... went in different direction at the end there with point being if @brytar is a gravity guy and anti Eride, using a chairlift or eride both use electricity with the eride (assuming similar # of users are at a ski area) possibly being less overall environmentally impactful then a lift. For example, a local ski area added another chair a few yrs ago and larger high tension towers and wires had to be run to accommodate it. I own a Splzd Levo and 6 other local riders picked them up this summer. We just can't believe how much fun they are. These are riders that ride at least 4 days a week with a few being race fit but just love having bikes that are as much fun on the up and rollers as they are on flats and DH. The Levo descends great because of the extra weight .... like a MX bike but easier to handle and more fun. My "excuse" for getting the eride was a car accident last fall and a tough recovery. An LBS gave me one to demo and use as a i recovered starting in March. After 2 or 3 rides I knew i was buying one and same LBS is pretty cool and let me hold on to 2 demos after my new Levo came in... i got friends out with me and they were able to demo for multiple rides, which in my opinion is what it takes to get hooked. BTW, these are not people who have lots of cash around for a $4,500 to $6,800 USD bike, but they broke the bank to buy them. Anyway, I see this back and forth with many negative opinions about erides and its sad because until you ride one hard at least 2 or 3 times, your not going to get how much fun they are for the: old, young, frail, fit, fat, beginner, expert, etc... and how less impactful they are on other user groups in public space. I wounder how may antis were around when the horse, bird, S Club people all over the US did everything possible to stop mtn bike use...I even hear riders saying same things over and over about ebikes as we heard back then... trail impact, scaring other users, too fast, stop it now before it gets out of control ... how many horse back riders went out and tried mtn bikes back then, how much work was it to get parks to welcome bikes in (or back in after closure). Seems to me like if some of the anti's just went and rode erides on trails for a few days, they would get a better idea of why the industry and many riders are going in a totally new direction. Not saying they need or should convert, but at least try it more then a parking lot test ride before slamming and ruining access in the process.
  • 2 0
 @Oldish:

Hey, good points oldish. A lot of folks haven't ridden them (myself included), and i think they have their place. Despite the fun factor and usefulness for some people the main concerns I hear are related to trail access. Yeah it would be a pita if i was passed on the climb by 50 eriders each ride, but I ride early am so the trails are rarely crowded. I do, however hope they never become mainstream for the "average" cyclist, whatever that mean. Access will just have to be taken on a trail by trail basis through the local user community and/or landowners. Here in Utah there are trails in Park City and Moab with 'no ebike' signs, which I'm okay with, though not sure how that would be enforced, especially for the dawn patrolers. I'm waiting until i'm 60+ to get one.
  • 2 2
 @excavator666: not a moped. Most mopeds have a 49cc motor and are not pedal assist. They have a throttle and are capable of higher speeds than a pedal assist e bike.
  • 3 0
 @dsouza: that's exactly what e-bikes are modern-day mopeds. Overpriced underperforming pathetic motorbikes. E-bike summed up in four words.
OVERPRICED
UNDERPREFORMING
PATHIC
MOTORCYCLE
  • 1 2
 @properp: 6 hardcore longtime mtn biking friends all were all nice enough to go out and try it with me while rehabing from an accident. I had a demo for myself and the LBS was nice enough to loan me an extra for a few weeks so friends could go try it too. All 6 now have ebikes. as I said, these are not people with lots of cash on hand ... they just loved the bikes so much and had so much fun, they had to get them. My nephew once said "who doesnt smile on a jet ski" ... I assure you I don't. Hate the damn noise machines that ruin the enjoyment of lakes for every other user group, but drop a noiseless motor on one that wouldnt effect my enjoyment of a lake, well thats another matter! Still wouldnt want one, but they would no longer be as big a bother. Hate all you want, but the quite revolution is here so just start wrapping your head around it or just stay angery until you finally get out and Eride some trails for a few days. Sort of off topic here but keep in mind the fittest still wins when riding with other eriders.
Regarding your commnets:
Overpriced: ask a non rider if just a $1,000 (let alone $3000 plus for a decent one)is a lot for a mtn bike?
Under-preforming: They climb the unclimabmable and make rolly terrian and gnarly climbs way more fun. the long slow grinding climbs are now super fun to ride up.
Pathic: did you mean pathetic, if not, at least my eriders friends are not the passive males of greek mythology you may seek.
Motorcycle: 50% moto / 50% bicycle ... but way more fun then the moto in my opinion
  • 2 0
 @Oldish: please bring your e-bike to the MX track. I would love to play with you there. Here you can get an experience of what a real motorbike is. Smile while I fill your face full of Roost from a real motorbike. You're entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong. Just don't try to call them bicycles or group them in with bicycles. They are motorbikes hands down I have dealt with them since the 90s. Modern-day mopeds 4 lazy Society sloths unable to carry their own weight
  • 2 0
 @usmma2013: it doesn't make any sense to build a motorbike and then say it's a bicycle. Modern-day moped
  • 2 1
 @properp: except they're nothing like mopeds... You guys are funny getting all bent out of shape by people having fun in a way that's different to you
  • 1 1
 @properp: Its not a motorcycle ... its not a bicycle. just a super fun thing to ride. I guess I just dont get how I'm a lazy Society Sloth for going out and having a great time on something that rips on single track, doesn't make noise or effect other user groups (if ridden with respect ... just like mtbs, horses, MX bikes etc...), may trash trails less then even some non moto users, gets me out for 20 mile 2,500 vert trail ride after work and still get a wicked work out and before you bemoan the workout, ride one for a few days on some legal flowy single track. ebikes are reinvigorating a stagnant market similar to what MTB'd did to the bike industry and snowboards did for the ski industry in the 80's /90's. The industry probably figures half the riders on a board like this will be "lazy Society sloths" in 2 - 3 years and they are right.
  • 1 0
 @sam264: you can have fun sticking anything you want under your ass and I'm happy for you. Just don't try to call motorbikes bicycles and say they're not motorized. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid
  • 3 0
 @properp: is this conversation still going on lol
  • 2 1
 @properp: semantics. What does it matter?
  • 1 0
 @sam264: it only matters if you are trying to group a motorbike with bicycles. As long as you don't group motor bikes with pedal bikes I have no issues. Come play with me on the MX track with your e-bike. Love to take anyone out there and show them a face full of Roost????
  • 1 0
 @Oldish: if you believe in E Bike is not a motorized bike you use your brain less than your pedals. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid
  • 2 0
 Please , how do I turn off the notifications for this thread?
I can feel my neurones committing suicide one by one whenever I try to read it.
  • 2 0
 @polarproton: Apparently you can't I've already sent the admin an email to turn it off, f**king annoying.
  • 1 0
 @properp: agreed ... ebike is a lame name and motorcycle is taken and the MX crowd would not be happy about bicycles with motors having the same name. Moped is as lame as ebike plus they run on devil juice. For 15 minutes in the 80's MTB were ATB's (All Terran Bikes... ugh puke) Ebikes are motorized for sure, and way more fun on the trails we ride then motor-less. Wait, thats it ... MTB's become MMTB's aka Motorless Mountian Bikes and we take MTB! Grape is the best
  • 1 0
 @properp: just FYI I don't own an ebike, nor do I plan to. I'm just interested in the reason you seem to be so angry about them.

Your argument makes ZERO logical sense so far.
  • 1 0
 @sam264: just don't label them as bicycles and don't try to convince me they do not have a motor. Don't try to convince me they don't have a throttle either. I just step on a pedal in my car and it moves forward just like an e-bike. Those pedals or that gas pedal is not a throttle a. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid if you think their bicycles. They are a device for lazy people seeking the reward that do not want to put in the effort. Maybe you are just too lazy to earn the reward. To be able to ride a mountain bike the way some of us do we have earned it through years and years of practice. Lazy people want to step up to the plate and reap the reward without giving the effort. If you have put in your time and you cannot pull the load because of age then you deserve an E bike. If you are young and able on an e-bike maybe you are just f****** lazy
  • 1 0
 @sam264: I'm not really angry about ebikes and could care less. What I'm angry about is people trying to classify them as bicycles which they clearly are not. I signed up on this page years ago strictly for bicycles. Now they are changing their page cramming stuff down my throat I have no interest in. Kind of like a bible thumper on my door that will not go away keeps coming every weekend waking me up early Sunday morning wanting to preach about something I'm not interested in. I have the right to form my own opinion about ebikes regardless of what anyone else thinks. I think they are a pathetic underperforming joke. I do not have to like them. I do not have to accept pinkbike changing their advertising towards them either. You are entitled however to stick whatever you like under your ass for enjoyment and I will think nothing less of you other than maybe you are just lazy.
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 @properp: okay cool, we get it now after a week of back and forth.
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 @DownHooligan: a week? I started this argument in the late 90s with Gary Fisher at the world bicycle trade show. in Chicago. My opinion has not changed about them since then nor will it ever. I have had the same opinion about e-bikes since the late 90s. Yes I have tried them every year for the last 20 years in my opinion is still the same. I ride with people on regular bike rides who have them. They are never able to pull their own weight and always end up with dead batteries around the 30-mile mark. I have not yet met a person on an e-bike that can do an all-day ride with me and keep up with my old ass on my analog bike. Maybe in the future I can get me an E-friend on an e-bike that I can chase on my analog bike for training.
Maybe they will start the UCI uphill challenge for all you ebike loving lazy sloths that cannot carry your own weight.
  • 1 1
 @properp: I'm talking about a week of back and forth on this thread. Dude we get the point, now move on the notifications are annoying.
  • 1 2
 @properp: here let me make this two weeks haha. Here's what I decided to do with the ebike naysayers - come ride one with me in eastern ID/western WY. We can ride our analog bikes all over, climb and descend as much as you want. I'll show you some sick trails. Then, we will take ebikes out for a day and I will guide you. We will ride different trails than the bike -only trails we will ride the day before. If that ride doesn't change your opinion, I'd be shocked
  • 1 1
 @trialsracer: Gary Fisher was unable to change my opinion about e-bikes in the 90s on a ride. You think you are able to do it today man you have a lot of self-confidence. I have an MX bike. E-bikes are underpowered Fisher Price toys that are pathetically overpriced overweight underperforming. I ride an analog bike because I enjoy the challenge. He bike is the exact opposite of everything I enjoy about an analog bike. Good day to you lazy sloth.
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 @properp: Bro if e-bikes are for lazy sloths, who rides mx bikes? Even lazier dudes? Your argument has more holes than a seive.
  • 1 1
 @sam264: go out and lug a 250 to 500 lb MX bike around on a Hare Scramble and tell me how many lazy sloths do this. I can tell your brain is on E. Please seek help before the E destroys your life and family. You maybe an e addict and not even realize you have this problem affecting your brain.
  • 1 1
 @properp: Holy f***, this again.
  • 1 1
 @DownHooligan: Yes hello again. Do you see how bad E is. People just cant resist the allure of make it easier. Lazy Sloths have taken over the planet.
  • 1 1
 @properp: Lol blocked me goof. Only lazy sloth here is you who keeps commenting on the same post from a month ago getting all butt hurt over an ebike.
  • 1 0
 @properp: I don't even have an e-bike dude!
  • 1 0
 @sam264: and obviously you don't have a MX bike either after a comment about people being lazy to ride one or you have no experience with one. A MX bike is the absolute best physical cross training for mountain biking next to push ups and free weights. Stay away from the E it rots your brain and turns you into a lazy sloth.
  • 1 1
 @properp: nah Bro I don't. Mx rots your brain and turns you into trailer trash Wink
  • 1 0
 @sam264: straight out the trailer lazy sloth and proud of it.????
  • 1 0
 @brytar: I'm so happy to wake this thread back up. VPP is the f*cking worst, even in 2019

Santa Cruz is just lazy at this point to not redesign the platform. Nothing like a dead, muted ride, with no character at all, but its marketed nicely with a great paint job.
  • 143 17
 So that's it?

Pinkbike is trying to normalize ebikes as mountain bikes in... one day?

"NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS JUST AN ELECTRICALLY SHIFTED GEARBOX."

Aggressive plan.
  • 130 212
flag mikelevy Mod Plus (Sep 18, 2018 at 22:00) (Below Threshold)
 Tin foil hat time.
  • 112 9
 THREE e-bike articles in one day @mikelevy!

Better ask for the stock options stat!
  • 38 20
 Yeah... 2019 is going to be real funny on Pinkbike! The year of the E-tards
  • 60 5
 @mikelevy: Apparently no need for a hat; if Pinkbike HQ could read my mind, they probably wouldn't be posting ebikes!
  • 24 0
 Interbike is running pretty lean these days. Im suprised they are finding bike related product at all. The highlight so far was the short and fat pump
  • 17 4
 rablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerablerable
  • 8 3
 yep, it happened big time today. even bike mag sent out a poll via email about ebike content. big shift trying to happen with the group think crowd.
  • 5 0
 At least all the e-bike content has distracted people from the horrors (or lack thereof) of press fit BBs and new crank spindle standards Wink
  • 12 5
 @cooperquinn-wy: pinkbike would sell their soul to the devil if they thought there was a dollar involved
  • 4 1
 @mikelevy: So, it goes without saying that we’ll def see someone racing this in the EWS series next year? Or is it that this an Enduro bike in the classic sense of the word, when Enduro was just a motorbike thing?
  • 3 0
 @catfish9797: E-MTB World Series coming soon Wink
  • 7 1
 It is "rabble"....two "b"s. Nobody goes around saying ray-bel ray-bel ray-bel. Come on man.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Doesn't suit you Mike, back to the beanie.
  • 5 2
 @leelau: New name: Pink-e-bike
  • 4 9
flag won-sean-animal-chin (Sep 19, 2018 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)
 @sorry meant to up vote. More ebikes. Can’t wait for the norco. Rumour has it they’ve put together a very nice one
  • 5 4
 Funny thing is, these ebike articles get the most views and comments, therefore increasing the exposure of the content! Just remember all that hate on 29rs here and how that changed the industry...Get a life!
  • 3 1
 @slayerdegnar: because we bashed them and didn't buy them for so long, we made them change by not buying them. If everyone jumped on those old shit Gary Fisher Genesis geometry 29ers we would be 10 years behind
  • 3 1
 @leelau: BRB off to register pinkebike.com
  • 2 2
 @mikelevy: don't get me wrong, I think a lot of the stuff on Pinkbike is designed to fuel the armchair quarterbacking of guys who should ride more and internet less, but I'm 150% behind y'all on e-bikes. They're awesome, and if half of these commenters didn't have the egos of Napoleon and the emotions of a 15 year old girl, I think they'd open their minds.

Ebikes are AMAZING car replacements, in the form of cargo bikes. They're also fantastic for getting out on moto trails that are no fun on normal pedal bikes. There are many more miles of moto trails in the US than there are bike trails. I plan to add an e mtb to my quiver so I can climb more shit and do more vert in a day and spend more time on my bike instead of walking up unrideable shit. The fools who down voted you are probably just nervous that they would get on an ebike and not be able to do anything cool. I know plenty of dudes (ex pro mtbers, ex pro mxers, etc) who have ebikes and would smoke 99.9% of these internet on ANY two wheeled devices, up or down.
  • 137 24
 Please allow us to turn off moped content
  • 62 27
 You already can. just don't open the article.
  • 33 11
 @Kiwizak: i wouldn't if it said anything ebike in the title. It's done on purpose and folks are legitimately pissed. Didn't open the other 2 articles as it was obvious.
  • 9 4
 I thought it already had been turned off for the American crowd.
  • 4 1
 @kanasasa: Read the fine print: The slightly smaller less bold comment right below the title... still on the main page... "Oh, and it's an e-bike too."
  • 6 0
 @mtbikeaddict: Exactly, you can tell by the thumbnail it's an e-bike too. I love how people are so inconvenienced that they must waste more of their own time with angry commenting. Lol.
  • 3 0
 @Kiwizak: It is rather humorous... hiding in plain sight...
  • 3 0
 @mtbikeaddict: not on the mobile site, so maybe that’s what this all is, confusion, maybe @mikelevy doesn’t even realize it just says it’s an Enduro bike on the mobile site
  • 1 0
 @catfish9797: Ah... makes sense now...
  • 80 8
 This thing could basically propel itself right into the trash
  • 81 11
 Remind me how this is better than a dirt bike?
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flag Mngnt (Sep 18, 2018 at 21:42) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe like the studies that show people who ride e-bikes get as much exercise riding as people with normal bikes? I don't think that same can be said for dirt bikes.
  • 55 10
 Have you ridden motocross ? You will realise it's way harder than MTb in fitness terms. As long as you don't ride it like you're on a moped! @Mngnt:
  • 3 4
 @Intensevp: lol try riding a motocross bike like a moped. You would die in seconds
  • 9 42
flag sjflow (Sep 18, 2018 at 22:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Mngnt: This is why I love e-bikes: to be healthy, you don't really *need* to work as hard as you do when you're riding a bike. On a bike, we're out there doing extremely strenuous exercise for hours upon hours, multiple days a week. It's just not necessary. There's diminishing returns.
  • 21 5
 @Mngnt: hands up who’s never ridden motocross! Got arm pump? Ride motocross! Want upper body strength? Ride motocross! Want skills? Ride motocross!
There is no “downtime” on a crosser!!! Same can’t be said for an ebike!!
  • 14 3
 You can legally ride places you can't on an MX bike....... For now......
  • 8 7
 @nojzilla: The same really, just people think when they add cranks it somehow doesn't have to follow the law. Worst of both worlds ebikes. Lose the cranks and add more power already.
  • 11 5
 Google "electric dirt bike" and the difference should be pretty obvious.
  • 13 2
 @sjflow: Lol, what? If you want to be in peak fitness, you have to work your ass off. If you want to be healthy enough to not die of a heart attack at 60, yeah, maybe you don't need to do as much. But that's a pretty low bar.
  • 8 0
 @Mngnt: @Mngnt: Not all of them matey, independent studies are showing the opposite when they are't being funded by the people who stand to benefit:

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/product-news/study-shows-e-bike-riders-sweat-three-times-less-normal-bike-riders-392699/amp
  • 2 0
 My mate used to rip me when I started riding mx. After 20 mins I would start sitting more. Called me a ped rider! Ha ha. I was bike fit for sure. Moto was building muscles in every part. My dh bike was so much easier as the force you get from dh was no where near mx. Plus you had the muscle for the g force from the bike.
@makripper:
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 The only benefits I can think of is that it is easier to load onto the back of the ute/truck and piss off into the woods for sneaky ride. And an ebike doesn't need registration.
I have a kx450, and the opportunity to ride around here is minimal as there is nowhere to legally ride it and you can't be sneaky on it because it is loud af. Plus compared to loading the mtb onto the vehicle the kx450 is a pain in the ass.
Ebikes an alternative to motos rather than an alternative to mtb??
  • 8 5
 @jayacheess: If you care about "peak fitness," that's great, and obviously you're gonna have to work your ass off to achieve it. But don't for a second think you're gonna live any longer or have a better quality-of-life just because you shaved time off your enduro result. After a certain point, there's diminishing returns on health outcomes like life expectancy.

What matters more, not just for staying alive past 60 but living the longest possible life, is consistent cardio exercise over many years—right up until the moment of your death. It doesn't have to be at the insane level that most cyclists train and ride at. That's overkill. We do it for other reasons. Hell, I still ride a hardtail *because I like it.*

So, e-bikes can be fantastic for people who want to be optimally healthy (longest possible lifespan, etc), but not necessarily have the greatest athletic performance, which, again, is different.
  • 7 0
 @sjflow: I agree, but I don't agree that e-mountain bikes like this are where people like that are looking for fitness. Most riders that are going to make any use of a bike with this capability are not in the 'do mild workouts to keep your blood pressure lower' kind of crowd. They're buying these things and riding them on rinky-dink trails and getting nothing out of it. They'd be better off just puttering around on the road with a commuter bike.
  • 2 0
 @landscapeben: @landscapeben: Not quite sure what you mean wasn't this study you have linked funded by Shimano and plugs Shimano's ebike motors?

FWIW even though I've never ridden an e-bike I would think it's a how much you put in thing, you could work hard on a regular bike or take it easy, ditto an e-bike?
  • 1 0
 @Mngnt: is that what you guys are doing up in Edmonton? riding ebikes through the river valley!?
  • 1 0
 A lot more quiet, no smoke or gas to bother with, hell of a lot lighter, still requires pedaling....
  • 2 0
 This Nicolai and the SWerx Turbo Levo probably cost similar to an Alta MX electric.
  • 3 0
 I think people need to relax if the alternative is not to ride over e-bike because of age or disability then e bike is healthier every time and if my grandfather can come ride trails all day with his great grand kids with his e-bike instead of burning out early I think that is good for sport not bad for sport don't get me wrong I will gladly take my spartan or my wooky out hell even my Suzuki 250 is more my style but that doesn't mean I hate e-bikes they have there place and if the use of e bikes gets one more person on the trails instead of on there Facebook instagram Snapchat or whatever else people waste their lives away looking at life instead of living it I think it's all positive except the guys on here that are so set back from pinkbike promoting e-bikes they had to waste there biking time on here b!t(hing bin@sjflow:
  • 52 6
 Or you can just buy Yamaha for that price, since they have a lot more experience building motorcycles
  • 23 4
 I can't wait until the big motorcycle companies start making lightweight electric bikes and take off the cranks, will put the hurt on all these dumb bike companies that set themselves up for it.
  • 3 0
 @casman86: Looks goofy but They are learning... www.yamahabicycles.com/bikes/crossconnect
  • 35 5
 Alta Redshift MX...$10,495...Nicolai E-Bike that looks like it could weigh nearly as much and requires pedal power...$10,000. I know which e-bike I would choose...and it isn't the Nicolai.

Not to mention...I am seeing a lot of signs now banning e-bikes like this from trails. Soon...people may only be able to ride e-bikes on dirt bike trails anyway so...just buy a dirt bike.

Man I wish these things would just go away already. Either you want a dirt bike or you want a bicycle. This in between thing, to me, is for someone too soft to ride a dirt bike and/ or to soft to pedal a mountain bike. E-Bikes are the product of the "everyone gets a trophy" generation.
  • 14 1
 Bingo. Grow a pair and ride a motorcycle or be willing to pedal to access areas where motorcycles are not allowed. If you aren't willing to do the work you don't get the trophy!
  • 20 1
 I always tell people, if they're so against pedaling or having to deal with a slight effort, the mildest symptom of exercise, or the sense of accomplishment that comes with cycling in general, I think they are in the wrong sport - and we have plenty to choose from. Sometimes I read comments from people that seem like they were forced to ride a bike. Damn, if you don't like it go try something else. I sure don't like to run, so guess what, I don't.
  • 7 0
 Seriously though. I fail to understand why we're investing so much into the e-bike market when the it's the electric motorcycle market that needs the boost. Then again, you can't ride a e-moto home when it runs out of juice, nor can you fill up the tank. Now then, when e-motos get to a point where batteries can be swapped, that'll be cool.
  • 4 0
 Thanks for the e-MX. Didn't knew. but when i saw the 10k for something with pedals and only 0.3hp....My thought went for KTM e-Freeride.Hope with all those electric cars coming in the near future, we see e-motorcycles. PS completly agree with all the above comments.
  • 1 0
 HPC Revolution FTW!
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: no market needs boost. Super boost plus is what they're after
  • 1 0
 KTM e-moto does have swappable batteries. We get f'ed in Canada/USA with only the e-Freeride model. ROW gets the SuperMoto and MX models.
But KTM messed up big time by building the e-motos off the Freeride platform; 67.5˚ HTA. What is this 1990s? Alta gets it right by building an electric dirt bike from the start.

e-bikes are the cable actuated disc brake equivalent.
  • 1 0
 Your dense my grandfather pedals on his stump jumper 15miles per day at 75 and his e bike gives him the ability to ride good trails all day with his great grand kids his generation could kick the crap right out of yours I'm sure so I think he is weak? Like to see you say it to his face his 75 year old a$$ would put you down then tear off on his ebike
  • 1 0
 How but old people who pioneered the sport and just want to get out there and see the youth enjoy the sport they built in talking my 75 year old grandfather who rides trails with his great grand kids anyone who hates that is not a proud advocate of the sport @t-stoff:
  • 1 0
 @Wooky2014: www.pinkbike.com/news/video-this-3x-world-masters-dh-champion-is-71-and-still-shreds-the-whistler-mountain-bike-park.html

This dude isn't riding an e-bike...maybe your grandfather should man up!

I get your argument about allowing a 75 yo person to ride with their grand kids. However, I would argue that, people riding e-bikes puts trail access to non-e-bike riders in jeopardy.

E-bikes are a gray area and as a result, land owners/ state governments are quick to remove access from all 2 wheel traffic...because bikes now blur the line between motorized and human powered. This is land access that NON E-Bike cycling advocates likely fought for over the course of decades! Now E-Bike riders show up on the scene and ride on trails ACTUAL cycling advocates fought for...and risk getting them closed for everyone.

If you ask me...people riding e-bikes are leaches not advocates. Maybe what should happen is, all trails should be closed down to E-Bikes and e-bike riders can fight for access rights like the non E-Bike riders did for decades before them.
  • 1 0
 Dude that guy is an ex pro and he is riding a lifted bike park and as far as the fight for access my grandpa was one of the guys who fought for that access no because his bike assists him in the climbs he should have to follow same rules as a motor bike DUMB these things don't tear ass and spin tires they assist your being way over dramatic @scbullit36:
  • 1 0
 Most e bike rider prolly started as non e bike riders I hope you get more respect from young riders when you get old you prolly to smart for old people you think you are more informed then they were attitudes like yours are what make this world hostile and if us mtb keep saying e bikes are same as motor bikes soon non bikers that own trails will believe it and they will start to worry about a problem you guys made up I challenge you to make a vid of an e bike spinning the tire and actually tearing up the dirt my dirt bike will tear up asphalt if I spin the tire I bet u can barely get ebike to tear up a pile of leafs
  • 32 8
 This must be the worst interbike EVER...? first bike and it's a motorbike... well a bike with a motor that costs twice as much as your average dirtbike...

Lets see, this.... OR a KTM 450... let me think...
  • 4 1
 But still less than a Yeti
  • 2 0
 @speed10: That's not true at all.... You can get a brand new yeti for $5200. You're not getting this or a KTM 450 for that.
  • 2 0
 @huebs037: not a nice yeti, 5k will only buy you a cheapo yeti
  • 2 0
 @pyrmud19: But think of what a deal your getting, 3800 for the frame so there giving you all the rest of the bike for CHEAP... Smile
  • 1 0
 Lots of pedal bikes cost way more than motor bikes price should be irrelevant buy the bike that tweaks your interest and gets you on a bike whether it's fully powered by man or motor or both get out and ride
  • 27 3
 It’s a f*cking embarrassing time to be a mountain biker
  • 17 2
 If I'm a land manager and I want to protect my entire user group, save cyclists from this latest [and other] attempt at access "pedal assisted suicide", and reduce the bitching and caterwauling of EVERY other user group, I add a few portage sections near trail heads. Haven't seen any videos of anyone gleefully E-Shouldering one of these fifty pound trail trucks
  • 2 1
 I love that idea!
  • 2 0
 @skelldify: Thanks. It's not all that difficult to use the terrain against the E-Bikes Achilles: They don't make power unless they're being pedaled - so they're screwed on push climbs. And they're heavy and awkward to carry - portaging an E-bike over a series of logs would be brutal - but really fun to watch!
  • 2 0
 @juansolo57: great points. I’m bettin most people riding them won’t have great technical climbing skills, either.
  • 23 6
 I just threw up in my mouth.
  • 45 5
 I threw up outside my mouth.
  • 14 1
 I'm getting as old as dirt but I'm gonna ride my GD bike up hills...thats why its called "mountain biking"...I like the comment..Piss off with this ebike shit!
  • 12 1
 Ah Pinkbike has started to put the ebike content back on the US page, let the freedom of speech commence
  • 11 1
 $10K e-bike that looks like it has a tumour growing in the frame or spend it on a 250 KTM. To each their own but I'll keep my MTB & Motocross bike separate thanks.
  • 14 3
 Why shall I spend money in a primitive motorbike when I can buy a true KTM, Honda, Kawa or Suzu for less money?
  • 1 2
 Amen brother!
  • 3 3
 Because you can ride this one everywhere! (at least for Europe)
  • 12 1
 Doesn't even have climate control. Pffft.
  • 2 1
 But does it have an ashtray? Gold wing baby!!
  • 1 1
 No cup holder either.
  • 14 6
 Why the hell does it have cranks? This would be pretty awesome and sell like crazy if it had motorcycle footpegs and more power. Quit your half assing, nobody wants a moped.
  • 3 1
 Exactly just give us an electric, fairly light, dirt bike that we can slap mtb parts on and let it be. You could ride it in most of the same places, what with e-bike limitations
  • 7 0
 So with all the talk around how Gwins broken chain could have affected suspension performance, I gotta believe the tension required for the belt drive has to affect the suspension on this thing...unless its really that heavy to not even notice.
  • 12 1
 E-Bikes for spinning classes coming soon...
  • 9 1
 I can buy a 2019 KTM XC-F 250 for less money and legally ride it the exact same places as this e-bike in the US PNW. I know which one I'd choose to maximize the fun:money ratio.
  • 6 0
 $10,000 will actually buy you a very nice dirt bike - which you might as well do if you are buying that. If you are concerned about carbon footprint buy an electric one, there are some pretty decent ones now. They are not limited to speeds and power output that will limit what you can climb or what terrain you can access.
  • 8 0
 And now come up with a motor inside the gearbox. That would be special......!
  • 2 0
 If pinion isn't already working on this, they're seriously missing out...
  • 1 1
 @Mngnt: can't see how there not as there in the middle of e bike land.
  • 1 0
 Check out the Mubea/Effigear collab.
  • 4 0
 i have never ridden an e bike, so I will stay out of ebike opinions. But dam, as far as bikes go, that thing looks like a cross between an A-10 Warthog, and an M-1 tank. My kind of aesthetics. Like the way a bike should look for people who dont skip leg and calves day or give a f*ck about space for water bottles. Do they make that thing with out the motor?
  • 4 0
 I come here to take my mind off the crap in this world and the first thing I see is an ebike article. Please stop it PB. This bike is looking more and more like a moto. MTB is about human powered vehicles. It’s about strength, heart, muscle and bone. Let’s stop it with this please. I realize this is hardly my most eloquent commentary but I just don’t have the mental energy right now to state my case better. Ebikes are repugnant unless your handicapped or to be used for trail service vehicles etc.
  • 7 0
 Seems like we're getting somewhere with this.
  • 9 3
 Its time for PB to engage user filter for "e-bike" content - add that option in user settings so I won't see it nomore.
  • 10 7
 Kind of wish this would happen, just so we wouldn't see you miserable people comment in every single article you're not interested in.
  • 4 2
 @sjflow: e-bikes section for "cool" commenters only! No miserable people allowed.
  • 6 2
 I hope they don't do that. i like reading everyone's ridiculous hate on E-bike's it's funny as fk.
  • 4 3
 @Captain1Eye: Go buy a moped, start a moped magazine and be a general poser. Meanwhile the real bikers will ride real bikes.
  • 1 0
 @secretninjaguy: I never said i rode one. I just find the comments entertaining to read while i'm at work
  • 2 0
 @secretninjaguy: riders, not bikers.
  • 6 3
 i am still confused who the end user for e bikes are, except that here in new york i have seen lots of delivery guys from restaurants using them, as i think is good for the work they do. But who on earth will bike in 10k e bike? not even my 80yo dad, he loves pedaling!
  • 3 0
 The goal here is to access an "untapped" market... people who are interested in mountain biking but don't want to do the work. The very nature of the sport has limited sales to people who are into exercise, some risk and have money to spend on a $5000 toy, not a very big market. So E-bikes are a tool to expand the market for bike manufacturers.
  • 9 2
 Ohh F**K you made me click on an emtb article f-off!!!
  • 8 1
 Next upgrade for e-bikes: no pedals, just pegs to stand on.
  • 3 0
 your lucky in the us as you don't see these articles very much, there are three e bike articles on my recent feed at the minute, f**cking sucks. so many real bikes id like to read about but instead its all bike shite. genuinely hate this industry
  • 4 1
 How exactly does this get labeled an "enduro" bike? It might be very capable, but I don't think any race organizer will allow, nor would any competitor use this in an enduro event.

It's just an ebike. No judgment, no hate. It's an ebike.
  • 1 0
 Hit the nail on the head. Well said.
  • 1 0
 Sadly you´re wrong. There are enduro events with an ebike class, Germany and France have them, others probably too. E-bike racing is a thing, I mean how couldn´t it, if you can race it, someone will.
  • 1 0
 @F22: I did not know that. (Obviously - haha.) I am having a hard time wrapping my head around such a class of that event. Sounds like a really slow motorcycle race. I hope I never show up to a trailhead and find it's closed because an ebike enduro class is using the trail I planned on riding.
  • 9 3
 I find it goddam hilarious. A piece of ironic performance art.
  • 6 1
 Is gear ratio important when you have a 500w motor? Curious about the weight, though...
  • 1 0
 The previous Nicolai ebike was in the 55lb range.
  • 5 0
 Regardless of how you feel about ebikes.
Not having gripshift on a gearbox has to be a step forward right?
  • 4 0
 Gay . Just buy a Ktm 125 if you wanna ride a motorcycle, it’s cheaper and better. Then when you wanna ride a bike start pedaling.
  • 7 1
 That’s beyond ugly.
  • 4 3
 Also...just would like to comment on "intended use". All mountain and Enduro!?!?! Come on...How about...intended use...recreational riding with friends. Last I checked Enduro was a term used to actually describe a competitive racing discipline. Can't imagine something like this would be allowed at any respectable Enduro race...unless...of course...there was a class for it.
  • 1 1
 my thoughts exactly. but i’m pretty sure i have seen e-enduros...
  • 1 0
 It's for assist in the climbs you and last I checked the race starts after the climb if it's a real enduro not a glorified XC race so if the ebike gets a competitor up to the start line that may not be able to otherwise I'm not going to worry about it unless u guys are scared that e biker going to beat you let me guess you all think hardtail riders shouldn't wear full face helmets haha bunch of bitches don't judge book by its cover I'll pass all you guys on my hardtail with my full face and then shortly after my grandpa will tear by you on his e bike with his great grand son and great grand daughter hot on his heels anyone who thinks this is wrecking the sport is way to linear in their thought
  • 2 0
 @Wooky2014: What are you talking about? Clearly you've never competed in an Enduro Bike Race. Literally 75% of the field is wearing a full face helmet regardless of whether or not their bike has suspension.

If you're ever racing on the east coast, I'll keep my eye out for the dude on a hardtail passing me in stage. I'm not going to hold my breath though because, from the sounds of your post you are full of sh!t.
  • 1 0
 I'm simply pointing out that the mountain bike has to many rules to be considered a "real" mtb and 75% of the field is clearly just a number you pulled out your ass my point is that you can be a mtb and not have to use the same gear as the next guy and I probably will not travel out to the east coast when canadas real mountbiking happens on the west coast@scbullit36:
  • 1 0
 For the record I am not an e-biker and I enjoy pedals I'm just not on board for trashing e bikers we need to stick together@scbullit36:
  • 5 0
 What a waste of type. Please no ebikes on pinkbike.
  • 4 1
 A bicycle = Without motor / A motorcycle = With motor
If you want a motorcycle, there is many options from 50cc to 450cc... with a lot of fun and gas response.
  • 1 0
 Every bike company outside of the smallest boutique brands will have a ebike on offer within 2 years. As a digital marketer for a number of the major mass market bike brands the numbers are overwhelming. In one of my programs 75% of the items sold over 1k are ebikes.
  • 2 0
 Its always good business to show content for your core audience by forcing content consumption with misleading article titles. Nice work! I made sure to click the banner ad twice to reward Pinkbike for deceptive practices.
  • 1 0
 "Nicolai used to be known for their wacky geometry"

No, Nicolai was always ahead of the curve with geometry. I had my M-Pire at 62.5deg back in 2006 when most were still around 66. 67deg on their 4x hardtails when everyone was at 69-70 still with downsized XC frames or oversized BMX bikes. Also longer bikes than normal. Always ahead of the curve, not wacky.

No comment on the Ebike side of things......
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 Honestly man I think you should channel your energy into having a more positive impact on the biking community the only people blurring any lines about bikes is guys that are saying a pedal assist bike is anything like a motor cross bike I ride a Suzuki 250cc not a big bike and it will dig a whole in the asphault if you spin the tires it tears things up and makes huge ruts I guarantee that me with my dh tires tearing ass is doing more trail damage then my grandfather on his e bike they are not an equivalent to a motor cross bike I don't appreciate you trying to make me look dumb I never said I would pass you in stage just simply trail riding I wear a full face helmet as do lots of hard tail riders because we ride big trails hard and fast on bikes that aren't as geared towards that style of riding I was simply pointing out another prejudice I noticed amount biking forums that you should wear certain gear based on the bike your riding not your budget or riding style or your comfort those should be the factors that's all I was pointing out there needs to be less energy put into social media and shit and more energy getting people out on the trails enjoying sunlight and having positive energy I do not understand how anyone could compare my grandfather on an pedal assisted bike to some kid on a motorbike riding it full pin no fear or worries in the world these are not the same and they should not be linked together let's fight some more usefull fights we all have governments being run by a bunch of petophiles and we sitting here arguing that my grandpa shouldn't be able to ride his pedal assist bike on your trails it's sick everyday we should be trying to make the sport happier not put all these boundaries of whose the real biker and who isn't
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 Look, at the end of the day, what you need to understand is, E-bikes are NOT being marketed to people like your grandfather. I understand that they may enable people like your grandfather to ride with you and...that's great...but that is only one end of the spectrum.

On the other end of the spectrum are people, who are much younger, purchasing these things, and in some cases modifying them to ride like a$$holes. If you google "Deregulated E-Bike" there are countless web pages/ videos not only showing examples of deregulated e-bikes but showing one how to deregulate an e-bike.

Now the problem is, both the a$$holes and your grandfather fall into the same e-bike category whether you agree or not. Not because your grandfather is an a$$hole but because there are no formal ground rules policing these things so the sky is the limit.

There are deregulated E-mtb's out there capable of going over 30 mph! On most singletrack trail, that gives average Joe A-hole the ability to override the trail. On the types of singletrack we ride, a dirtbike would be capable of going that speed not a mountain bike. The trails we ride on are shared use too BTW...so some inexperienced dick going 30+ on a deregulated E-mtb hits a hiker...that is how every mountain biker looses trail access.

We obviously have two different opinions on this. I'm not going to see it your way and you aren't going to see it my way. Time will tell what ultimately happens but...I would like to see these things BANNED from all shared use trails until someone figures out how they can be regulated. Perhaps one solution would be...have each state inspect them to ensure they are properly regulated to 15 mph max? That way...they can truly just help assist you on climbs.

You want to talk about having a positive impact...advocate for e-bike regulation before all e-bikes are banned OR WORSE...everyone is banned. Thankfully, some of the bigger trail networks in my area already have signage posted banning e-bikes. I hope it continues until someone figures out how to police these things in the mtb realm.

Lastly, I've ridden one of these before...so I am not clueless to how they operate. I've demo'ed the first version of the Specialized Turbo. I get their place as a commuter bike. Less effort if commuting into the office, the ability to keep better pace with traffic, cleaner than a car/ moto, etc. But on the road, there are rules...posted rules...and law enforcement. On the trail there is not. So at least there is SOMETHING policing these things on the road. For now, my view is that these things have a place on the streets as commuters...NOT in the woods.
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 I'm glad to hear that you and your grandfather are able to share riding together and e-mtb's enable him to do that. From the sounds of your tone, I feel like you could be pretty young so perhaps him being able to ride enables you to ride. So that is cool.

I guess just expanding on my post below...it isn't people like your grandfather who are the problem. It's how these bikes are being marketed and modified. They are being marketed as "Ride faster, longer, and further". The last 3 marketing vids I watched showed professional mountain bikers absolutely ripping on these things. They don't show someone being enabled to ride who otherwise would maybe struggle on a non-assist bike.

At the end of the day, maybe something else you and your grandpa could share in is advocating for regulation of these things, openly condemning people with modded e-bikes on shared access trails, and spreading knowledge of what these bikes are and aren't before they are all out and out banned.

As for me, I am not going to advocate for these things because I don't believe in them and I feel they have the potential to ruin it for the masses. Some people just weren't meant to go fast on 2 wheels ESPECIALLY if they didn't work for it...and e-bikes enable that...IMO.
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 I'm 30 with 3 kids tht I have all biking I got kids riding balance bikes on trails and pedal bikes not just some kid chirping I understand what your saying about modded e bikes but we also have hiking only trails here and I am yet to ever have someone on local trails that actually shreds that uses one I agree that young people should be pedalling their a$$ up the hill my four year old sun doesn't get any special help from me he earns every decent it's not that I want people to advocate for them I just don't think fellow mountain bikers need to be falsely informing people of the capabilities of these things as lots of guys were talking about damaging trails not hitting hikers on our biking /hiking trails we have signs that say either biking only hiking only or if shares clearly states the person on foot should be watching for bikes I think there is same risk of hitting hiker if it is some fearless 16 year old shredding his ass of on a dh bike as someone who needs e-bike because usually those types aren't the kind to haul ass I think it's up to us adults to raise our kids to have more respect for the sport I don't think that e bikes are truly the problem it's kids throwing tubes into trees garbage on the ground or shuttling with trucks where traffic isn't permitted at least these are the real issues at hand within my local trail network I agree 100% that there is no place for modded mountain bikes that don't require you to pedal but I think kicking the old boys and disabled off the trails is not the answer the young punks still going to disrespect if we don't correct their mind set because if they cared about biking the way me or you do they would understand that modding these things up to tear ass is going to ruin the sport @scbullit36:
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 Some of the high end bike shops out here say e bikes are 50% of their sales. I have one and so does my wife. We ride together all the time now, she rides the harder trails now and is learning how to go downhill a little faster. Pretty epic. Also the e bike I have feels better on the dh than my gen 4 nomad, oh the e bike was a g less
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 Honda CRF 450R rrp $9149.

......just sayin!!
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 Piss off with this ebike shit
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 WHO BUYS THIS ?????????????????
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 Why are you ignoring the Alta Redshift? Most powerfull offroad e-bike out there.
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 $10k for this crap, I’d might as well spend that on a Kawasaki KX125 and still have money left over for a trip to New Zealand!
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 More motorbikes...I thought pinkbike was filtering out motorized bike coverage in North America? Starting to tune out...
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 Let's just get it over with and drop the pedals and put a twist throttle on it. That's obviously where we are headed.
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 I'm sure someone's already asked, but seriously, isn't it obviously important info to include what the build weighs??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I'm curious, sure. Interested in ever riding or owning one? Nope. Not a chance.
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 What a Frankenstein. Why bother with cranks and pedals? In my opinion this is a motorize vehicle. I hope its users respect the rules of non-motorized trails.
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 This bike is designed to assist in the climbs it's not like it has the tourque of a mx bike not going to damage any trail and as far as speed goes I'm sure I will crash into you just as hard on my hardtail we need to stop being so clique let's show the youth biking is about fun not what the other guy is riding in comparison to you
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 This is all I want. The technical moto trails I push up on my trail bike (and are too tight to really go fast on a moto) would be perfect for this thing. Best of a trails moto and an mtb!
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 Lol looks like a chainsaw/lawnmower. There is a market for it but probably doesn't deserve so much of media attention n hate. Good for oldies above 50s who don't want a heart attack doing big climbs
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 I'm boycotting all Emanufactures ... oh wait Shimano, Rockshock, Sram, Maxis ... are in on the Edemise of mtn biking. The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!! my hair is on fire my hair is on fire
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 I'm somewhat of an e-bike fan but that thing is HIDEOUS! It also looks titanically heavy.
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 Those bolt heads on toptube, hmmmmmmmmmm ... so much of nonsense bits on a single bike. So Nicolai.
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 I'm not anti-Ebike nor anti-gearbox...I'm anti-whale lump top tube. lol It would be tits with a straight top tube.
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 I ride the rohloff speedhub since 2003 and also put it in my newer bikes - LOVE IT!
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 Yes was bound to happen, but not sure about heavyly tensioned belt, you do know that bikes work best when they work efficently even e-bikes?
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 Might as well buy an electric dirt bike for less money !!!
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 At least here we get some actual innovation for $10k. Can we see the non-ebike version of this rig? i.e. just with the Gates drive and Rohloff?
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 The title of this article is a lie
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 At some point you just have to step back and take a break! Go ride a motorcycle!
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 They should have put the gearbox near the bottom bracket; not the rear hub. That way, they could have removed all that unsprung weight and improved rear-suspension performance. Also, it needs Fox Live Valve and a Live-Valve-specific suspension layout for the ultimate in uncompromised suspension performance and range-extending efficiency. Though I wouldn't buy it; too expensive.
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 Ebike stuff aside, it’s time Pinkbike learned the difference between electronic and electric. This is electrically shifted.
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 @bogey Aaaaand...you're wrong!

If it was electrically shifted it would have a high current from a battery to a shifter button which when pressed would complete a circuit and operate a small motor to shift the gears (Slow process and parts would burn out quickly due to the amps across the switch - ala pre-modern electronically controlled everything) electronically shifted means you can use smaller electrical currents to a switch pack which then signals your intension to shift the gear when a button is pressed and as long as the control ECU see's the correct parameters it would then electronically switch a higher current (Quickly and safely so as not to burn out contacts ) to shift the gears

*Well that's how I see it
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 @SXbegins: that’s called electronic control but it is still electric shifting.

Even with your description about high current across the shifterbutton your thinking about 1800’s electric circuits. Even so, there are switches that can switch very high currents for millions of cycles. In this case the currents aren’t high anyways. And no, even if it was pure electric, things wouldn’t burn out quickly????????. There are still plenty of things that operate this way in our world. Ever heard of a relay?!

Electronic control but electric actuation, got it? You can design a full electric circuit to make it shift (no electronics) but you cannot make an full electronic circuit to make it shift (you will not have the primary shifting device without the electric actuator). That’s the differentiator.
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 @bogey: Hey Man

Obviously the actuator is powered 'Electrically' (I was keeping it high level for you) but the shifting control is done 'electronically' as per the headline. Modern switches are pretty much all low voltage/ low current signals from the 'switch' (which could be capacitive/ micro/ hall types) that the ECU then evaluates and 'electronically' switches a transistor/ relay within the control ECU (faster than you could press an 'electric' switch) to operate the actuator....as you say 'Electrically'

Yes I have heard of relays ...and have replaced many a relay when they burnt out the contactors or the switching circuit (Generally 80-100 Ohms resistance) failed due to age/ temperature (designed to last for millions of cycles but sometimes barely last the limited warranty) - check out modern cars, there are maybe a handful of relays at most (Windows, main relay, fuel pump if you're lucky) everything is electronic switched now because it's evolved that way to be packaged smaller/ made more reliable/ consume less power etc etc

I agree a switch can switch high loads for lots (maybe not millions) of cycles BUT not one designed for use on a bicycle....why would they??

*I work on both Low and High voltage electrical/ electronic automotive systems so no need to give me lesson in how electrical components/ circuits work (but thanks anyway I'm always open learning)

P.S leave another comment if you'd like but I wont be responding....gonna ride my bike instead Smile
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 @SXbegins: perhaps you've never heard of an electric car or an electric bike or Shimano's di2 electric shifting. It's all about terminology here. The controls are electronic but the primary drive is electric and this is industry standard terminology. Stick with that.
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 I was thinking: Wunderbar! Ze Germans have finally done it— a motor and a pinion-type gearbox combined into one. Wink
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 That one definitely fell out of the ugly tree
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 Well thought out design but please burn it with fire!
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 Why did they let Gumby and Hunchback of Notre Dame design a moped?
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 The future is now, old man.
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 Even an e-bike shouldn’t be that ugly
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 Lol at all the people complaining chances are they've never ridden a Nicolai but once you do you feel like you're in heaven.
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 Doesn't the Z bike cost about the same?
And you get a real motorcycle not this frankenbike abomination.
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 www.ktm.com/us/e-ride ~ yup that's about the size of it...
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 Weird they call that the Freeride E-Ride. Uh, why not just... e-ride? (Or is there a gas-powered Freeride KTM?)
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 @sngltrkmnd: FreEride? FreE-ride? Fre-E-ride? Hmmm. Yeah, one of those... missed opportunity
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 I'm just holding out for Noel at Knolly to put out a 220volt/120 amp model that cranks out somewhere near 26,000 watts.
its gotta throw roosts coming out of the loose stuff!
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 This is great news. I can now shift while mid-backflip so I can land pedaling on that uphill slope without missing a beat...
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 why trick me! here i was wishing for a new electric shift option for the pinion system
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 I don't understand all you mtb elitests. So dumb. You cream your jocks over 50t extender cogs and oval rings (after you threw out your 3x) but can't appreciate this masterful engineering. Bunch of backward Kent's.
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 I understand this is expensive, but if you think this was built to replace your dirt bike, you're an idiot.
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 E-Bike users should be taxed unless they are over the age of 60 or have some sort of disability.
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 sweet motorcycle
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 Can't wait until I'm bombing shit on my Dh bike looking like rufio in a fallout world. No E-shit left anywhere!!!!!!!!!
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 E bikes are widely used in Europe already. It's here to stay.
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 I'm sorry for your poor trails. Frown
  • 10 2
 So was the Nazi party... doesn't make it right
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 @MrFogg: That's a pretty funny comment, even if I don't share your opinion on eBikes Big Grin
(I assume you don't like them Wink )
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 @Raffe: Respect to you! I just hate that false logic of "well _ is already happening so we should just accept it."

Correct, for e-mtbs at least. A pedal assist or full blown electric motorcycle is a great idea for commuting, especially as more power generation comes from renewable/clean sources.
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 These things aren't high in tourque why would a pedal assist wreck your trails I guarantee me railing the berms at high speeds on my hard tail is tearing up as much trail as anyone on e-bike they are prolly not riding as hard if they need the assist let's be real @jayacheess:
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 Nicolai. Rohloff. Belt drive. Only rideable with a tin foil hat.
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 "Nice e-bike" said no one ever...
And where is the water bottle cage??
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 No need for a water bottle. It's not hydrogen powered motor.
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 Make it 180mm and i ll buy it!
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 Anyone notice the mrp shock on there.... Looks like an air shock
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 Are these screws on the top tube are for a water bottle holder?
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 Where does the water bottle go?
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 The bastard love child of a threesome between Hope, Mondraker and Orange.
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 I hate that head tumor, looks like shit
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 Hey, Where are all the below threshold comments?
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 it all started with the e-cigarette.
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 Nobby Nic looks a fat tire. super wide rim?
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 Well at least I didn't miss this by missing interbike
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 Not going to lie, that thing looks like an absolute beast!
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 What a shit video...
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 That looks heavy
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 Love it! Smile
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 Who the hell is Nicolai anyway?
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