The Summer Olympics falling on an odd numbered year, England not being miserable at a major football tournament and high pivot trail bikes everywhere you look - two of these may never be repeated, and that's even factoring in that we've only got to wait a year for the soccer World Cup. But the latter, if the new crop 2022 bikes are anything to go by, is a trend in rude health and long set to continue.
The GT Force Carbon is one of those bikes and is something of a spec sheet ticker’s dream. It seems to cater to the current mountain biking zeitgeist with an EWS worthy 160mm of travel via a four-bar linkage paired to a 170mm fork, an idler to enable a medium to high pivot and 29” wheels front and back.
GT Force Carbon Details • Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 160mm
• Carbon front triangle, alloy stays
• 63.5° head angle
• Chainstay length: 445 or 435mm
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price range: $3,800 - $6,000
• Frame only: $3300
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gtbicycles.com You may have seen this bike being ridden during the early part of the season, and that’s not an accident. GT seemed happy to flirt with exposure of the bike through rider’s social media and test events. We’ve even seen it equipped with a dual crown fork.
There are three tiers to the GT Force’s range. The entry level model, the
$3,800 Elite, uses the same frame as its pricier siblings. The spec consists of a RockShox Yari fork, TRP Slate T4 brakes and a SX drivetrain and an own-brand dropper.
Next up is the
$5,000 Pro. This bike has an upgraded NX/GX build, a RockShox Zeb and Super Deluxe, both Select+, matched with SRAM Code R brakes. Many other elements remain the same as the Elite model though, including the wheels and dropper.
The range topping model, the
$6,000 Pro LE gets upgrades across the board. This includes RockShox Ultimate level suspension, SRAM Code RSC brakes and a GX drivetrain, including an XO rear derailleur.
Our
Pro LE model in a size large with a set of control tires (Maxxis DHR2 in a DoubleDown casing and a downhill casing Dissector) weighed 35.77lb or 16.22kg. Let's be frank, that isn’t particularly light. However, it’s a bike meant to be ridden hard and I think it's a reasonable weight for what it is. The 220mm rotor on the front of the Pro and Pro LE models is something of a smoking gun to the bike’s intentions.
Frame DetailsSpeculation was awash as to what this new bike would be called. Was it a successor to the Sanction platform that has disappeared from GT’s range in recent years? Or was it an updated version of the bike that GT’s factory team has been racing? Well, it would be the latter. However, whereas the current Force is all-alloy, the new Force is a semi-carbon affair.
The frame details include all the normal hallmarks of an enduro bike in 2021. There is ribbed chain silencing which, combined with the idler, has been labelled by GT as “ruckus management”. Whatever you want to call it, it’s there to not only keep the bike quiet but also keep the chain on and appropriately tensioned.
The idler is the most obvious part of the new bike, however there are other nice details to look out for. There is 10mm of chainstay adjustment, meaning riders can not only have a size-proportionate rear center but it also gives them the choice to change the character of their ride. The 435 or 445mm options should cover most bases.
There is also internally guided cable routing through the front triangle, but with the exit ports near the seat tube before letting the cables cross externally. There is one on the rider’s right side of the head tube for the dropper post and two on the left side.
Other frame details include an oversized top and head tube junction that is imposing and swollen without looking bulbous or ungainly. It also features “integrated storage”. I like the look of the oversized top tube, which goes all the way from slender to exaggerated, but the fact that you can stuff a tube into a triangle-shaped hole made by the frame's tubing doesn’t feel as integrated as other designs. I’d say “semi-integrated” would be a fairer assessment. The downtube mounted water bottle bosses have enough clearance that you can have a large bottle and the shape of the tube means that there is less chance of a pump rubbing away your paintwork, should you choose to run one on your frame. There is also a threaded BB and Boost spaced hubs.
GeometryWe’ve got the progressive frame features but is the geometry able to keep pace? Well, on paper at least, most definitely.
The 63.5° head angle and 78° effective seat tube angle are certainly in the right ballpark. Couple those to the adjustable, and appropriately long chainstays and 480mm of reach for a large and you can see that GT are certainly holding the ideals of progressive geometry close to their hearts.
In fact, the reach numbers are one of the less radical areas of the bike. Yes, it’s amply large but a lot of the bike seems to be making a statement about what a slack and stable enduro bike can handle. The reaches of 430, 455, 480 or 515mm depending on the size are long but not outrageously so. I think a 480mm reach for a large is a nice blend that will satisfy those that are curious about progressive geometry without burning the fingers of the more conservative or cautious.
The bike uses a maximum axle to crown height of 591mm. The equipped 170mm Zeb has an axle to crown of 586. Interestingly enough, going to a 190mm Boxxer would only put you 1mm over this threshold. Obviously, you’d never ever think of doing that, not even in your darkest and most sordid fantasies but it is interesting...
The bike uses a relatively middle-of-the-road seat tube length of 380, 410, 445, and 500mm, for small, medium, large and XL respectively. The jump between the large and XL may well have some nearly-XL riders concerned though.
There is also the generous stack height of 627, 636, 645 and 654mm, again respective to size. It’s good to have, and I found that it put me in a very healthy window of usable range. That said, my point and shoot style of riding is less about finesse and more about smashing.
Suspension DesignThe suspension on the GT uses a four-bar linkage in conjunction with a medium to high pivot and idler. The idea of this system is to enable the rear wheel to move in a rearward direction for a significant part of its travel. The idler wheel is there to separate suspension forces from the drivetrain. As you can imagine, as the distance grows between the rear axle and the BB the chain will come under tension. However, by installing an idler, which itself has a near-fixed distance to both the BB and rear axle, you can manage to negate the problem.
The adjustable chainstay length will of course change the travel and kinematics slightly. That said, I think it’s a great option to have and it’s great to see brands like GT offering real and useful adjustments. I would imagine that it’s not a purely selfless act, and making just the single sized rear triangle helped keep costs down.
While all the bikes come with air shocks, GT say that the bike is also well suited to coil.
As you can see in the graph, the bike progresses through over half of its travel before it moves anything other than rearward.
The anti squat value on the new Force Carbon is generally higher than the previous version, or at least in the gears where it really counts. Anti-squat relates to how much the suspension compresses due to load transfer when you accelerate. The higher the value the more the bike will want to extend under driving forces. This will tend to mean that the bike pedals better.
Likewise, the anti-rise value is also higher. The lower the value of anti rise the more the bike will extend under braking, keeping braking and suspension forces separate. As the value approaches over 100% the bike will begin to squat into its stroke when our mass begins to transfer when we use the brake. GT feel an increased value of around 60-70% is a good compromise of active braking and suspension feel.
The leverage ratio of the new bike is very different. It’s initially quite regressive before it levels off as it approaches sag. From there on in its progressive through to the end of the stroke in a linear fashion.
ModelsForce Carbon Pro LE / $6,000 USDForce Carbon Pro / $5,000 USD Force Carbon Elite / $3,800 USD
Initial ImpressionsAs soon as you get on the GT Force one thing becomes apparent - this thing feels most comfortable at high speeds and being ridden with little sympathy. Getting off the brakes is as joyful as it is exciting. The bike handles the rough stuff with aplomb and is a great example of what a slack and long bike with a high stack can achieve. It feels like a well proportioned bike that is happy to be ridden and ridden hard.
That said, when you lean the bike it doesn’t turn like an oil tanker doing a three point turn in the Suez canal and I look forward to an elongated period of testing on this bike at Sun Peaks. What isn’t up for debate, however, is just how well this bike tracks when off the brakes. It just follows the terrain in a way that would leave most other enduro bikes envious.
My weight feels centered, both on climbs and descents. The bike feels like good, old fashioned no nonsense fun, even if that comes in a
very modern package.
This bike isn’t the lightest but it pedals reasonably and I’m very excited to see how it will stack up against other bikes in this year's Summer Field Test. It’s not the only idler equipped bike and I can’t wait to take it toe-to-toe with the new
Norco Range.
• Frame only: $3300"
$500 more for a complete build? I must be missing something (wouldn't be the first time).
but I guess everyone will be waiting for the sale at half the price.
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Either way, the base complete is a really good deal. If the frame goes 20%-30% less than msrp than it's definitely worth considering.
This GT looks promising and that's coming from someone with two high pivot rigs.
I was thinking "start with the frame and do a Shimano build" but not with this pricing structure. You'd be better to start with the Elite and sell all the parts online as new OEM
There's a simple solution for Canadians: buy a custom Dekerf. You save the import duty plus when you're spending $10K-50K for a bike you don't really care about a few hundred in taxes.
I mean I'd still ride it and not give a shit that it looks weird and can't beat the price especially in today's market. So ALL GOOD!
But something's just odd looking about that bike...???
I mean I guess it looks REALLY GOOD in this picture when i'ts got "light speed" rays coming off?
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Was a sweet bike. I can still remember the smell of the little bottle of touch up paint to this day lol
1. Price point! YES!
2. High stack -- compliments the intended purpose of this bike
3. Long chainstays in the L/XL -- again, compliments the 29" wheels and intended purpose of this bike. From experience, I love feeling centered on a bike, and not like my ass is constantly over the back wheel.
GT showing that it doesn't have to cost $10,000 to purchase a well designed and thought out bike.
As an Example the $6.3K Specialized Enduro has an equivalent or better build depending on your preferences. Full carbon frame, Performance Elite 38 and X2, XO1 shifter/RD, etc.
Compared to the XO1 build on the new Firebird it is a decent value though. The Pivot for $6.6K comes with Code R brakes, a Performance 38 instead of Performance Elite, Float X instead of X2, GX shifter, etc.
Moral here is just because GT doesn't offer an AXS/carbon wheel build doesn't make it a good value and some brands like Pivot actually do charge more just because they can.
The "top spec" comes with wheels that are made of cheese and bog standard parts. GX is far from top, gt own brand bar and stem, tranz-x ?? dropper post..., fabric entry level saddle and grips are the only branded finishing kit. Let's not mention it looks like they've wrapped it in orange peel.
If this was specced with full xtr or full xo1 and finished it with branded cockpit and decent wheels like dt Swiss or i9s like other "boutique" brands do it would soon be pushing the same price points.
End of the day you generally get what you pay for
Meta AM, CC Kitsuma Air, ZEB Ultimate, XTR drivetrain, Garbaruk cassette/chainring, Hope V4 brakes, OneUp pedals, Enduro BB, Hope hubs, DT EX511 rims/spokes, Onza Porcupines, Spank and Chromag other crap. Better than anything in that list. They add carbon and take away some spec, and the bike will weigh the same as the GT anyways? I guess if you really have to have carbon? but otherwise...
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In the case of this GT frame the orange peel effect is due to the clear coat being sprayed on to thin. Spray the clear on too heavy and it will run and form drips on the surface and spray it on too thin and it will have an orange peel surface finish. There is a quite a delicate balance to paint work and spraying exactly the right amount of clear is tough! Especially on bikes where the shapes are quite complex and you have to spray from many different angles to cover everything properly.
Orange peel (if you really want to know) is the result of large grain growth near the surface of the part during heat treating. If the metal surface gets too cool during hot working (i.e. Extruding a tube or rolling a sheet) then the surface gets 'worked' more because it is colder (i.e. more retained strain energy) resulting in abnormal grain growth near the surface.
Soooo....long explanation short, the area of the bike above the idler is carbon isn't it? If so then I wouldn't think you could get orange peel, unless someone in the painting field is about to teach me that they also have a similar term for 'dimpling' appearance on painted parts. Typically the dimpling comes from painting metal parts that have 'orange peel' or large surface grains...this is coming from a metallurgist so maybe there is a similar term for painting non-metal surfaces...this is a very common issue in aluminum for autobody sheet for example where surface appearance is very important
a few people pointed this out already. It is caused by poor quality paint job.
GT Force Tailored Protection Kit
(Sigh) 480 reach at 645 stack is quite big. More Pinkbike reviewers ignoring stack numbers.
Props GT !
I listened to a podcast with a bike design firm and learned that even when a bike has different chain stay lengths for different sizes, the way its done is by changing the pivot location on differentsized frames, not the chainstay itself. Even with a carbon rear end its not a tooling cost, but a design cost. Makes sense cause that would keep the kinematics the same.
For a driving pulley in any other industry that would not pass engineering.
Just my 2 cents though
The bike does look pretty rad
I think dropper travel should be longer than suspension travel, if that makes sense. I think an enduro bike in 2021 should have dropper posts of 180mm+ with low stack height in terms of the collar and clamp. I've ridden the GT a fair bit now and I think it's a well-proportioned bike, it's just a shame that the seat tube in the XL might mean it fits fewer people. I think the Norco in XL has a seat tube around 45mm shorter, if memory serves. That's quite a lot. I haven't seen an XL version of the GT but I wonder if it's got something to do with the brace between the seat tube and top tube and its placement in relation to stiffness. Just a guess though.
Cool frame otherwise though.
It's just like actual TT vs effective, you rarely see the former anymore. Only the latter actually means anything in the context of how the bike feels when ridden.
Sucks.
Why companies install to every group ( gravel , xc , road ) electric motors?
Why People still tolerate these price's?
Why LBS get somewhere 40%( or even littelbit more) fee for only selling or ordering bike? they don't inventing anything , they don't produce anything and we must pay them such a big % cash from total price !!!
There is more why but maybe someone can answer me these few.