First Ride: 2022 GT Force Carbon

Aug 10, 2021
by Henry Quinney  

The Summer Olympics falling on an odd numbered year, England not being miserable at a major football tournament and high pivot trail bikes everywhere you look - two of these may never be repeated, and that's even factoring in that we've only got to wait a year for the soccer World Cup. But the latter, if the new crop 2022 bikes are anything to go by, is a trend in rude health and long set to continue.

The GT Force Carbon is one of those bikes and is something of a spec sheet ticker’s dream. It seems to cater to the current mountain biking zeitgeist with an EWS worthy 160mm of travel via a four-bar linkage paired to a 170mm fork, an idler to enable a medium to high pivot and 29” wheels front and back.
GT Force Carbon Details
• Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 160mm
• Carbon front triangle, alloy stays
• 63.5° head angle
• Chainstay length: 445 or 435mm
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price range: $3,800 - $6,000
• Frame only: $3300
gtbicycles.com


You may have seen this bike being ridden during the early part of the season, and that’s not an accident. GT seemed happy to flirt with exposure of the bike through rider’s social media and test events. We’ve even seen it equipped with a dual crown fork.

There are three tiers to the GT Force’s range. The entry level model, the $3,800 Elite, uses the same frame as its pricier siblings. The spec consists of a RockShox Yari fork, TRP Slate T4 brakes and a SX drivetrain and an own-brand dropper.

Next up is the $5,000 Pro. This bike has an upgraded NX/GX build, a RockShox Zeb and Super Deluxe, both Select+, matched with SRAM Code R brakes. Many other elements remain the same as the Elite model though, including the wheels and dropper.

The range topping model, the $6,000 Pro LE gets upgrades across the board. This includes RockShox Ultimate level suspension, SRAM Code RSC brakes and a GX drivetrain, including an XO rear derailleur.

Our Pro LE model in a size large with a set of control tires (Maxxis DHR2 in a DoubleDown casing and a downhill casing Dissector) weighed 35.77lb or 16.22kg. Let's be frank, that isn’t particularly light. However, it’s a bike meant to be ridden hard and I think it's a reasonable weight for what it is. The 220mm rotor on the front of the Pro and Pro LE models is something of a smoking gun to the bike’s intentions.


Frame Details

Speculation was awash as to what this new bike would be called. Was it a successor to the Sanction platform that has disappeared from GT’s range in recent years? Or was it an updated version of the bike that GT’s factory team has been racing? Well, it would be the latter. However, whereas the current Force is all-alloy, the new Force is a semi-carbon affair.

The frame details include all the normal hallmarks of an enduro bike in 2021. There is ribbed chain silencing which, combined with the idler, has been labelled by GT as “ruckus management”. Whatever you want to call it, it’s there to not only keep the bike quiet but also keep the chain on and appropriately tensioned.


The idler is the most obvious part of the new bike, however there are other nice details to look out for. There is 10mm of chainstay adjustment, meaning riders can not only have a size-proportionate rear center but it also gives them the choice to change the character of their ride. The 435 or 445mm options should cover most bases.

There is also internally guided cable routing through the front triangle, but with the exit ports near the seat tube before letting the cables cross externally. There is one on the rider’s right side of the head tube for the dropper post and two on the left side.


Other frame details include an oversized top and head tube junction that is imposing and swollen without looking bulbous or ungainly. It also features “integrated storage”. I like the look of the oversized top tube, which goes all the way from slender to exaggerated, but the fact that you can stuff a tube into a triangle-shaped hole made by the frame's tubing doesn’t feel as integrated as other designs. I’d say “semi-integrated” would be a fairer assessment. The downtube mounted water bottle bosses have enough clearance that you can have a large bottle and the shape of the tube means that there is less chance of a pump rubbing away your paintwork, should you choose to run one on your frame. There is also a threaded BB and Boost spaced hubs.



Geometry

We’ve got the progressive frame features but is the geometry able to keep pace? Well, on paper at least, most definitely.

The 63.5° head angle and 78° effective seat tube angle are certainly in the right ballpark. Couple those to the adjustable, and appropriately long chainstays and 480mm of reach for a large and you can see that GT are certainly holding the ideals of progressive geometry close to their hearts.

In fact, the reach numbers are one of the less radical areas of the bike. Yes, it’s amply large but a lot of the bike seems to be making a statement about what a slack and stable enduro bike can handle. The reaches of 430, 455, 480 or 515mm depending on the size are long but not outrageously so. I think a 480mm reach for a large is a nice blend that will satisfy those that are curious about progressive geometry without burning the fingers of the more conservative or cautious.


The bike uses a maximum axle to crown height of 591mm. The equipped 170mm Zeb has an axle to crown of 586. Interestingly enough, going to a 190mm Boxxer would only put you 1mm over this threshold. Obviously, you’d never ever think of doing that, not even in your darkest and most sordid fantasies but it is interesting...

The bike uses a relatively middle-of-the-road seat tube length of 380, 410, 445, and 500mm, for small, medium, large and XL respectively. The jump between the large and XL may well have some nearly-XL riders concerned though.

There is also the generous stack height of 627, 636, 645 and 654mm, again respective to size. It’s good to have, and I found that it put me in a very healthy window of usable range. That said, my point and shoot style of riding is less about finesse and more about smashing.


Suspension Design

The suspension on the GT uses a four-bar linkage in conjunction with a medium to high pivot and idler. The idea of this system is to enable the rear wheel to move in a rearward direction for a significant part of its travel. The idler wheel is there to separate suspension forces from the drivetrain. As you can imagine, as the distance grows between the rear axle and the BB the chain will come under tension. However, by installing an idler, which itself has a near-fixed distance to both the BB and rear axle, you can manage to negate the problem.

The adjustable chainstay length will of course change the travel and kinematics slightly. That said, I think it’s a great option to have and it’s great to see brands like GT offering real and useful adjustments. I would imagine that it’s not a purely selfless act, and making just the single sized rear triangle helped keep costs down.

While all the bikes come with air shocks, GT say that the bike is also well suited to coil.


As you can see in the graph, the bike progresses through over half of its travel before it moves anything other than rearward.

The anti squat value on the new Force Carbon is generally higher than the previous version, or at least in the gears where it really counts. Anti-squat relates to how much the suspension compresses due to load transfer when you accelerate. The higher the value the more the bike will want to extend under driving forces. This will tend to mean that the bike pedals better.

Likewise, the anti-rise value is also higher. The lower the value of anti rise the more the bike will extend under braking, keeping braking and suspension forces separate. As the value approaches over 100% the bike will begin to squat into its stroke when our mass begins to transfer when we use the brake. GT feel an increased value of around 60-70% is a good compromise of active braking and suspension feel.

The leverage ratio of the new bike is very different. It’s initially quite regressive before it levels off as it approaches sag. From there on in its progressive through to the end of the stroke in a linear fashion.

Models
Force Carbon Pro LE

Force Carbon Pro LE / $6,000 USD
Fork: Rockshox Zeb Ultimate, 170mm
Shock: RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate, 230x65mm
Drivetrain: SRAM GX/X01 Eagle
Wheels: WTB KOM Rims on Formula/SRAM Hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / DHR 2 29 x 2.4" Exo+, MaxxTerra
Cranks: Truvativ Descendant 7K Dub, 32T
Handlebar: GT Alloy Riser Bar, 780mm, 30mm Rise
Stem: Alloy, 50mm Length, 31.8mm Clamp
Brakes: SRAM Code RSC, 220/200mm Centerline Rotors
Seatpost Tranz X +Rad 31.6mm, Adjustable Height (S - 150mm, M - 170mm, L/XL - 200mm)
Saddle: Fabric Scoop Shallow Sport


Force Carbon Pro

Force Carbon Pro / $5,000 USD
Fork: RockShox Zeb Select+, 170mm
Shock: RockShox Super Deluxe Select+, 230x65mm
Drivetrain: SRAM NX/GX Eagle
Wheels: WTB ST i29 TCS Rims on Formula Hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / DHR 2 29 x 2.4" Exo+, MaxxTerra
Cranks: Truvativ Descendant 6K Dub, 32T
Handlebar: GT Alloy Riser Bar, 780mm, 30mm Rise
Stem: Alloy, 50mm Length, 31.8mm Clamp
Brakes: SRAM Code R, 220/200mm Centerline Rotors
Seatpost GT DropKick, 31.6mm, Adjustable Height (S-125mm, M-150mm, L/XL - 170m)
Saddle: Fabric Scoop Shallow Sport


Force Carbon Elite. Please note that although Deore is pictured this build will come with a SRAM drivetrain.

Force Carbon Elite / $3,800 USD
Fork: RockShox Yari RC, 170mm
Shock: RockShox Super Deluxe Select, 230x65mm
Drivetrain: SRAM SX Eagle
Wheels: WTB ST i29 TCS Rims on Formula Hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / DHR 2 29 x 2.4"
Cranks: Truvativ Descendant 6K Dub, 32T
Handlebar: GT Alloy Riser Bar, 780mm, 30mm Rise
Stem: Alloy, 50mm Length, 31.8mm Clamp
Brakes: TRP Slate T4, 203/203mm Rotors
Seatpost GT DropKick, 31.6mm, Adjustable Height (S-125mm, M-150mm, L/XL - 170m)
Saddle: Fabric Scoop Shallow Sport





Initial Impressions

As soon as you get on the GT Force one thing becomes apparent - this thing feels most comfortable at high speeds and being ridden with little sympathy. Getting off the brakes is as joyful as it is exciting. The bike handles the rough stuff with aplomb and is a great example of what a slack and long bike with a high stack can achieve. It feels like a well proportioned bike that is happy to be ridden and ridden hard.


That said, when you lean the bike it doesn’t turn like an oil tanker doing a three point turn in the Suez canal and I look forward to an elongated period of testing on this bike at Sun Peaks. What isn’t up for debate, however, is just how well this bike tracks when off the brakes. It just follows the terrain in a way that would leave most other enduro bikes envious.

My weight feels centered, both on climbs and descents. The bike feels like good, old fashioned no nonsense fun, even if that comes in a very modern package.


This bike isn’t the lightest but it pedals reasonably and I’m very excited to see how it will stack up against other bikes in this year's Summer Field Test. It’s not the only idler equipped bike and I can’t wait to take it toe-to-toe with the new Norco Range.


212 Comments

  • 266 4
 Oh wow. Good looking bike that most average humans can afford. Thanks for the sensibility @GTBicycles !
  • 103 4
 " Price range: $3,800 - $6,000
• Frame only: $3300"

$500 more for a complete build? I must be missing something (wouldn't be the first time).
  • 12 44
flag danielfloyd (Aug 10, 2021 at 6:39) (Below Threshold)
 @ATXZJ: I think the frame only cost is for the nicest frame, and the 3800 version is probably lower spec and a bit heavier.
  • 68 0
 @danielfloyd: From the article immediately above this comment section: "The entry level model, the $3,800 Elite, uses the same frame as its pricier siblings."
  • 11 2
 @jaycubzz: it's the frame kit, maybe (with the FOX X2)
but I guess everyone will be waiting for the sale at half the price.
  • 8 0
 @jaycubzz: Probably getting the deluxe ultimate on the frame only, versus select+ on the cheap build. Still, probably only accounts for a few hundred
  • 4 0
 Interesting - new Bronson frame is $3700. Not a huge difference. The top SC build is AXS wireless and carbon rims though, so I guess you can't really compare the top builds for each here.
  • 23 0
 @ATXZJ: it’s just economics. They will outsell complete bikes 100 to one for ever one frame only they sell. It’s more hassle for them so they build it into the price.
  • 4 0
 @honourablegeorge: frame-kit is with a X2 float factory, only nice color IMO. you can see the frame-kit here:
enduro-mtb.com/en/brand-new-2022-gt-force-latest-greatest-enduro-machine
  • 4 0
 @ATXZJ: I read something a while ago about frames having higher import taxes than complete bikes. I have no idea if that’s true, or why that would be true.
  • 6 0
 @jaycubzz: Right. sorry. I pretty much skipped the article to read the comments.
  • 4 0
 @t-stoff: half price sale??? give me the name of your bikeshop
  • 3 0
 @thejake: yeah, went through that with Kona. It also seems to blow a hole in the "components are causing everything to go up" message we've been receiving.

Either way, the base complete is a really good deal. If the frame goes 20%-30% less than msrp than it's definitely worth considering.
This GT looks promising and that's coming from someone with two high pivot rigs.
  • 2 0
 @honourablegeorge: Yeah, my thought is there would need to be 1k difference in shock price to justify that. I'd guess they don't want sell frame only as the margins are lower so they just made the frame margin the same as a complete bike.
  • 1 0
 @unrooted: I remember something about that in Canada at least. Some companies used to ship the frame and parts seperately but that didn't qualify as a complete bike so they had to ship it partially assembled to avoid extra duties. Memory is hazy on the exact details of that one but it was something like SC shipped frames and the build kits came form QBP.
  • 1 0
 @ATXZJ: I bet a single frame is not good for their numbers for worldwide sales as demand is in full effect shops are demanding product not frames
  • 9 0
 @ATXZJ: Me too.
I was thinking "start with the frame and do a Shimano build" but not with this pricing structure. You'd be better to start with the Elite and sell all the parts online as new OEM
  • 3 1
 @unrooted: There's actually more duty on completes than frames. It's 13% vs. 5% plus another 5% GST on both. Wheels are 6.5%

There's a simple solution for Canadians: buy a custom Dekerf. You save the import duty plus when you're spending $10K-50K for a bike you don't really care about a few hundred in taxes.
  • 12 0
 @ATXZJ: Frame only has gotten out of hand, hasn't it? The industry just doesn't want you swapping parts over anymore.
  • 9 5
 Most average humans cannot afford these bikes. Yes it is well priced compared to other similar bikes, but it is still way out of the price range of what most people can afford to spend on thier leisure activity.
  • 5 0
 @Bobadeebob: it's a bi-weekly payment world unfortunately. I think this has something to do with the ever increasing prices we see. Kinda like the 35+ year house mortgages with finance options for the downpayment. It's a one way street. . .
  • 4 7
 Looks like a Session... LOL
  • 3 0
 @ATXZJ: its because the frame only comes with a fox float x2
  • 5 0
 First GT i’ve seriously wanted since my 1989 Teqesta!
  • 3 2
 @Bobadeebob: a lot of people on here wouldn’t consider mtb their leisure activity . It’s my main hobby , and dropping 6k on a bike every few years isn’t a big deal , especially when you can get decent money for your used bike .
  • 1 6
flag stiingya (Aug 10, 2021 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 Um NAH... not the good looking part. The previous Force was just fine but this one is just GAWKY looking...

I mean I'd still ride it and not give a shit that it looks weird and can't beat the price especially in today's market. So ALL GOOD!

But something's just odd looking about that bike...???

I mean I guess it looks REALLY GOOD in this picture when i'ts got "light speed" rays coming off? Smile

www.pinkbike.com/photo/21081016
  • 1 0
 Wow no love for that comment! @danielfloyd:
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: My thoughts exactly.
  • 2 0
 @Richt2000: I had that bike in jr high. Took it off lots of curbs.
  • 1 0
 @duanehundley:
Was a sweet bike. I can still remember the smell of the little bottle of touch up paint to this day lol
  • 118 5
 Vastly more impressed with this than the firebird. What a machine
  • 38 5
 Buy one of these and a 1up rack instead of a Firebird and Kuat and you will have enough left over to pay for a 10 day mountain bike trip with good food, alcohol, and nice hotels.
  • 7 1
 @carym: I agree with the sentiment here, but Kuat racks and comparable 1up racks are priced just about the same? $629 for a sherpa 2.0 (this is also with a price increase as of the last 6 weeks, used to be $579 msrp iirc) and $600-$700 for the 1 up double, depending on trim.
  • 30 0
 @carym: I've just scrolled down to find that Kashima Kuat ridiculousness, so ignore my previous comment.
  • 82 4
 Things that stand out:

1. Price point! YES!
2. High stack -- compliments the intended purpose of this bike
3. Long chainstays in the L/XL -- again, compliments the 29" wheels and intended purpose of this bike. From experience, I love feeling centered on a bike, and not like my ass is constantly over the back wheel.

GT showing that it doesn't have to cost $10,000 to purchase a well designed and thought out bike.
  • 3 14
flag carym (Aug 10, 2021 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 It looks really good except the suspension only has 15% progression. It will work well for most riders with air shocks, but is not a good match for coils and/or really aggressive riders.
  • 1 0
 @carym: just saw on vital one with a DHX2. but it's young kid. maybe is low weight helps.
  • 3 0
 @carym: might be a good candidate for a progressive spring.
  • 3 0
 @carym: Just a guess, but I wonder if they accounted for progressive air shocks and the new fad of progressive springs on coil shocks. Could be just the right combo?
  • 6 0
 +1 for proper stack
  • 1 6
flag Dogl0rd (Aug 10, 2021 at 14:27) (Below Threshold)
 It doesn't matter how cheap it is if you can't get one. My buddy bought a gt and waited for months until the shop said it's basically never coming, give up
  • 46 0
 6000 USD for the full build? I'll take that
  • 38 8
 Why is everyone getting all excited about the $6K build? Just because it is the top spec offered doesn't mean it is a great value.

As an Example the $6.3K Specialized Enduro has an equivalent or better build depending on your preferences. Full carbon frame, Performance Elite 38 and X2, XO1 shifter/RD, etc.

Compared to the XO1 build on the new Firebird it is a decent value though. The Pivot for $6.6K comes with Code R brakes, a Performance 38 instead of Performance Elite, Float X instead of X2, GX shifter, etc.

Moral here is just because GT doesn't offer an AXS/carbon wheel build doesn't make it a good value and some brands like Pivot actually do charge more just because they can.
  • 20 0
 @salespunk: accurate.

The "top spec" comes with wheels that are made of cheese and bog standard parts. GX is far from top, gt own brand bar and stem, tranz-x ?? dropper post..., fabric entry level saddle and grips are the only branded finishing kit. Let's not mention it looks like they've wrapped it in orange peel.

If this was specced with full xtr or full xo1 and finished it with branded cockpit and decent wheels like dt Swiss or i9s like other "boutique" brands do it would soon be pushing the same price points.

End of the day you generally get what you pay for
  • 8 0
 @salespunk: The Formula rear hub should last at least ... looks at my wall of unusable wheels ... 6 rides.
  • 12 0
 So now $6K is “affordable”. I think this is exactly why the $13K bikes exist—to influence consumer perception—and you fell for it!
  • 2 2
 @blackthorne: It's all a ploy and only you can see through it!! You rubes are just being fleeced of your money by bike BIKE.
  • 1 0
 For someone living in the UK, for a bike with USD 6,000 MSRP, what do you actually pay? Is there local sales tax on top of that, or do you pay $6k? It's just that our prices often seem to be the same as yours, with the $ swapped for a £
  • 2 0
 Gt is not boutique and luckily they build so that they can price accordingly. They're competing with Giant and a few other big box brands. I love this bike! An E version gna do well.
  • 2 0
 @mountainsofsussex: Depending on the state there is sales tax on top of any transaction. MSRP on new bikes really is the price you pay these days due to demand. So I would be paying around $6,650 incl ~10.x% sales tax.
  • 2 0
 @mountainsofsussex: most states have sales tax, it generally adds 7.5% up to 9% depending on the area.
  • 3 0
 @salespunk: @salespunk: exactly what I was thinking. $6k just got me:

Meta AM, CC Kitsuma Air, ZEB Ultimate, XTR drivetrain, Garbaruk cassette/chainring, Hope V4 brakes, OneUp pedals, Enduro BB, Hope hubs, DT EX511 rims/spokes, Onza Porcupines, Spank and Chromag other crap. Better than anything in that list. They add carbon and take away some spec, and the bike will weigh the same as the GT anyways? I guess if you really have to have carbon? but otherwise...
  • 2 0
 @mountainsofsussex: This would cost $6,525 out the door in the county I live in (Erie County in New York State). State + County tax add up to 8.75%.
  • 3 0
 @salespunk: Stumpjumper expert is under 6k and has a vastly better spec. And if you want to go alloy — which judging from so many comments is exactly what people want — you can get a better bike for under 3k. But when Specialized releases the Stumpjumper, the only thing people could talk about is how the top of the line model is 10k, ignoring everything else down the line. Now everyone here is talking about this bike like it’s the Second Coming.
  • 1 0
 5K build a better deal - suspension basically identical. Select+ is an OEM Rc2.1 Charge damper and rear shox just is missing compression adjustment@salespunk:
  • 37 1
 A carbon that tops out at $6K? Take all of the pinkbike comment sections money!
  • 4 0
 seriously...well done GT! they have my eye next time im in the market
  • 2 0
 @SATN-XC: even if is not a Gary Turner company anymore, GT will always remind me of their golden days with July, Nico, xizang etc...
  • 3 1
 @donpinpon29: never knew it stood for that, I alway read it as Grand Turismo lol
  • 3 2
 Maybe check the Stumpjumper EVO Expert. Definitely better price / value bike for 6K.
  • 1 2
 @kusa: Exactly. Mid-range Stumpies are a better value than the top model GT. But when Stumpies came out, people could only complain about the 10k top of the line model. But a GX specc’d GT? Oh man! Bargain of the year!
  • 1 1
 @donpinpon29: It hasn’t been Gary Turner’s company for almost 30 years.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: yeah sure and tinker juarez is not on klein anymore
  • 2 0
 @donpinpon29: Some say the cucumber tastes better pickled.
  • 30 0
 May the Force be with you
  • 28 0
 And also with you...... oh wait, mixed up religions.
  • 24 7
 The close up of the linkage/idler on the blue bike shows a ton of orange peel in the paint, really hope the bikes aren't painted that badly. Not sure how I feel about the aesthetic of the bike, but the price seems really good considering the top of the line starts at the same price as the entry level Pivot Firebird.
  • 4 1
 Good looking deal! Looks like something is going on with the weld at the front of the chainstay just behind chainring in that pic.
  • 5 1
 Is the GT team going around downvoting comments? Guessing most people don't know what orange peel means.
  • 2 12
flag gautehovdal (Aug 10, 2021 at 6:31) (Below Threshold)
 That orange peel are reflections of the photographers orange y-short or something... reflections of something orange at least...
  • 6 0
 Definitely pre production. GT paint is actually pretty nice, clear coat atop of graphics too. Don’t panic yet
  • 8 0
 @gautehovdal: Orange peel doesn't mean the colour orange. It's the way the paint looks. It has texture to it instead of being smooth.

preview.redd.it/ffqk228nnq751.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c1b3f0386bc5e225f734756798679a8567d2f782
  • 1 4
 @Ryan2949: Orange peel paint is often used as a scratch / chip protection method, is it not? I see it on a lot of truck / suv lower panels etc.
  • 2 2
 And is it just me or the chainstay looks cracked on that picture?
  • 2 1
 @Zayphod: it's looks like a clear tape kinda thing.
  • 2 0
 That is the top secret anti-mud clotting texture treatment. Also when dry, dimples help it slice through the air like a golf ball.
  • 2 1
 @Zayphod: It does look cracked at the weld but it's probably a reflection of the chainring or photographer.
  • 2 0
 I noticed it too.
  • 5 0
 @pcledrew: @pcledrew: Those are rubberized coatings. Those coatings go on with a rough finish. I'm not exactly sure why they have a rough finish, but I would suspect it is due to a combination of the coarseness of the 'rubbery paint' material being sprayed, and as a well to hide scratches and dents in the coating as they are generally blasted with rocks when in use.
In the case of this GT frame the orange peel effect is due to the clear coat being sprayed on to thin. Spray the clear on too heavy and it will run and form drips on the surface and spray it on too thin and it will have an orange peel surface finish. There is a quite a delicate balance to paint work and spraying exactly the right amount of clear is tough! Especially on bikes where the shapes are quite complex and you have to spray from many different angles to cover everything properly.
  • 1 0
 @WheelNut: wow. The more you know! Thanks I didn’t realize it was something that can be done accidentally / unintentionally.
  • 2 5
 Chiming in here regarding the orange peel comment...orange peel is typically a term that is attributed to wrought metal parts (i.e. formed steel, aluminum, titanium, etc...). It is a condition that is attributed to the surface quality of metal and does not affect the material properties (i.e. strength, toughness, etc...). Orange peel does affect the anodize and/or paint appearance by causing that dimpling.

Orange peel (if you really want to know) is the result of large grain growth near the surface of the part during heat treating. If the metal surface gets too cool during hot working (i.e. Extruding a tube or rolling a sheet) then the surface gets 'worked' more because it is colder (i.e. more retained strain energy) resulting in abnormal grain growth near the surface.

Soooo....long explanation short, the area of the bike above the idler is carbon isn't it? If so then I wouldn't think you could get orange peel, unless someone in the painting field is about to teach me that they also have a similar term for 'dimpling' appearance on painted parts. Typically the dimpling comes from painting metal parts that have 'orange peel' or large surface grains...this is coming from a metallurgist so maybe there is a similar term for painting non-metal surfaces...this is a very common issue in aluminum for autobody sheet for example where surface appearance is very important
  • 9 1
 @retrogressionage: Orange peel - I think most people use the term in regards to paint- more specifically car paint(even more specifically aftermarket paint), referring to the paint surface that looks like the surface of a orange peel and does not have anything to do with the surface that was painted.
a few people pointed this out already. It is caused by poor quality paint job.
  • 2 0
 @retrogressionage: Ironic that I have heard and used the term Orange Peel in regards to paint for year and years (first learned it when working in an autobody shop as a teenager), but I have never heard it applied to metal parts before. Nice to know the term crosses over. Learning from the PB comments- good stuff.
  • 14 0
 $3800! The Yari is a decent fork. You could buy the lowest model, pick up a Deore group on eBay for $400, sell the SX garbage, and have a fantastic bike for not much coin.
  • 10 0
 Also with the Yari you have options to upgrade the damper, then you have a slightly heavier Lyrik Ultimate or you could even go Avalanche. It's a great choice for that bike.
  • 15 1
 This enduro field test gonna be a good one. Popcorn out everyone
  • 8 2
 Thats the hook for the paywall release. Marketing folk have been well educated at the strip clubs - peak excitement levels - then ask for more money. No idea how I know this.
  • 3 0
 They better include meta am 29. Bike is so underrated on bike magazines, there is like only 1 review of it
  • 1 0
 @Grosey: "I'd like to buy your most expensive bottle of champagne."
  • 15 1
 Spec and price are a Wyn Wyn!
  • 7 0
 Yeah, it sure Masters all points doesn't it?
  • 13 0
 Lookin' Hot! well done GT
  • 13 1
 The paint looks awful in some places..
  • 5 0
 Orange peel is bad
  • 7 0
 With today's announcement of the new GT Force, we are stoked to let you all know that we have tailored protection kits designed and ready to go for them - get yours below!

GT Force Tailored Protection Kit
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 The elite is pictured with a Deore drivetrain but says sex eagle, which is it?
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 That's my new tinder name
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 Sex
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 @pbuser2299: surely thats your spirit animal no?
  • 2 0
 Not even the GT website seems to get it’s story straight. Pics show Deore, item list on one spot says deore drivetrain, but then other text talks about SX. Hopefully it’s deore as the SX one is pretty bad and would warrant a fairly immediate upgrade to the shifter and derailleur at least.
  • 5 0
 Hi all, I'll write to GT and ask them to confirm. That said, I'm sure they're having a very busy day with the launch but I'll update it as soon as they get back to me. Thanks EDIT - GT got back to me and confirmed that the bike will be SX build. Deore was used in sample shots due to this crazy ol' 2021 world we live in and supply shortages.
  • 11 1
 Best looking GT trail bike since the early 200o's.
  • 7 0
 "imposing and swollen without looking bulbous or ungainly"...wait, what are we talking about here??
  • 1 0
 badum-ting!
  • 4 0
 'you can stuff a tube into a triangle-shaped hole.' Let's be frank, Henry
  • 4 0
 Are customers asking for internal cables? I'd love to see a channel under the down tube neatly packaging all the cables. No possible rattling . Easy to work on. Less holes in my frame.
  • 1 0
 Canyon Torque
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 The GT price range ends where pivots price range starts
  • 3 0
 .....I think a 480mm reach for a large is a nice blend that will satisfy those that are curious about progressive geometry without burning the fingers of the more conservative or cautious.....

(Sigh) 480 reach at 645 stack is quite big. More Pinkbike reviewers ignoring stack numbers.
  • 7 0
 A lustworthy GT - BOOM
  • 6 0
 Cheaper than YT/CANYON
Props GT !
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 "making just the single sized rear triangle helped keep costs down."

I listened to a podcast with a bike design firm and learned that even when a bike has different chain stay lengths for different sizes, the way its done is by changing the pivot location on differentsized frames, not the chainstay itself. Even with a carbon rear end its not a tooling cost, but a design cost. Makes sense cause that would keep the kinematics the same.
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 I'm not convinced that less than 1/2 of the chain contacting the chainring isn't going to cause problems under fire ...

For a driving pulley in any other industry that would not pass engineering.

Just my 2 cents though Smile

The bike does look pretty rad
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 High Pivot? Yeah it really seems like a new bike!
  • 1 0
 I see the Sensor and Force have finally diverged…..the previous versions of both shared main triangles (at least the aluminum versions did) , so if you rode a Sensor, it was essentially a short travel force. I can’t imagine the new Sensor having an idler.
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 It will though.,
  • 4 0
 I've never been a GT fan in the past but they've knocked this one out of the park, bravo
  • 5 0
 Can’t wait for hard tails to be high pivot
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 Aye I ain’t no ox moron
  • 2 1
 @henryquinney so if I want a 500+mm reach and need at most a 480mm seat tube length to run a 200mm dropper I need to look elsewhere(long torso & ape index). Why is the market like this ? I mean with a 170mm dropper at the minimum insertion depth on a 480mm seat tube you would have to be almost 6'9 to not fit on the bike . The fact that all bikes DC and up should have a 200mm dropper makes this seat tube length kinda ridiculous.... Right?
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 Hi, I mean I don't disagree. I think that the seat tubes are short enough across the sizes but for the XL. I think sometimes you get a rogue geometry dimension that could alienate some people of a certain stature or build and that's always a shame. That said, at least you know what you want and can identify what will give you a good fit.

I think dropper travel should be longer than suspension travel, if that makes sense. I think an enduro bike in 2021 should have dropper posts of 180mm+ with low stack height in terms of the collar and clamp. I've ridden the GT a fair bit now and I think it's a well-proportioned bike, it's just a shame that the seat tube in the XL might mean it fits fewer people. I think the Norco in XL has a seat tube around 45mm shorter, if memory serves. That's quite a lot. I haven't seen an XL version of the GT but I wonder if it's got something to do with the brace between the seat tube and top tube and its placement in relation to stiffness. Just a guess though.
  • 5 0
 $5,000 should have zero NX on it, change my mind.
  • 2 0
 Price is right on this one. Geometry is on point. I'm currently looking for an enduro and would order one of these if it wasn't a high pivot. I wish they made a carbon version of the "old" force.
  • 3 0
 For the price of a top range Pivot Firebird reviewed earlier, I can get a Pro LE and 2 Elites….or even get 2 Pros…Fantanglingtastic!
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney it looks like the frame is designed to fit a trunion rear shock, but has a load of spacers at the upper bushing instead, is there any reason for this? I have my fingers crossed I could fit my trunion EXT Storia LOK to this frame…
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 @henryquinney: Can you tell us what the levg ratio is and/or calculate progression % . Cant read any of the numbers (pic is blurred) ???
  • 2 0
 @Grosey 12.5% up from 10% on the old bike it says. Starts at 2.92ish and goes to 2.53ish if I’m squinting right.
  • 4 0
 Pricing tops out where the Firebird begins. not bad
  • 2 0
 $3300 is a big jump, I believe the old Force carbon frame with AL stays was only $2200. Looks like the deal is to buy the elite and swap out parts.
  • 3 1
 im wondering how long these idlers last im messing with some engineering to figure out losses and like a washing machine the numbers don't seem to work
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 This ticks all the boxes, other than the long-ish seat tubes. I would love to see brands design around the longest possible dropper AND include the insertion length in the geo charts. Please?
  • 2 0
 Price point - check, Looks - check, geo - check, current trends parts and maybe fads (idler) - check. Looks like GT wants back in the game.
  • 5 2
 Buy at least 15 idler pulleys with each frame, trust me!
  • 2 0
 Are there bearings in the rocker where the shock mounts? Kinda different to see no trunnion shock used in this design.
  • 1 0
 I was thinking the same. Weird to see no trunnion shock but maybe it's one of the shocks with eyelet bearings.
  • 1 0
 @big-G-84: one of the best things about this is the standard shock mount. Less side loading on the shock = better performance, longer service life
  • 1 0
 There are in fact bearings where the link mounts to the shock despite it not being a trunnion!
  • 4 1
 They still need to shorten their seat tubes
  • 4 1
 First GT I want to buy since the pro performer back in 86.
  • 3 1
 High pivot Horst links are about as original as the comments on Pinkbike at this point.
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 This or the $3700 Transition Spire Deore Alloy?
  • 1 2
 Another frame hiding the 'actual seat angle' number and trying to get away marketing the 'effective number' only this time, the Geo table straight up lies and doesn't call out that 78 degrees is 'effective' only. Plus it's unclear where they measure 'effective' from - maybe stack height?

Cool frame otherwise though.
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 Why would you be concerned about the "actual" seat angle, though? Practically it means nothing, since you can't pedal the bike when you're not on it.

It's just like actual TT vs effective, you rarely see the former anymore. Only the latter actually means anything in the context of how the bike feels when ridden.
  • 1 0
 @phobospwns: because if you put the seat up higher than whatever point they measure ‘effective’ from you could end up sitting over the rear axle.
  • 1 1
 It’s not super complicated, you just measure from the bb up to wherever the seat post intersects with the level of the head tube.
  • 1 0
 @tylerpeck32: 1) No - you're talking about 'effective' seat angle, not 'actual' seat angle. 2) If I'm reviewing bikes to buy on the internet, how am I going to get out a tape measure? 3) The geo table here publishes a seat angle already - but we don't know where they measure the 'effective' angle from. It could be stack height, but could be like Pivot and be at some arbitrary saddle height.
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 @Linc: I literally just told you. You go from the bb to the intersection of a horizontal line coming from the ht.
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 @tylerpeck32: And I literally told you that you're talking about 'effective' seat angle, not 'actual' seat angle. Mate do some googling. You're wrong on this.
  • 1 0
 @Linc: dude my point was pretty much everybody on the planet except you knows exactly how to measure effective seat tube angle. If you need to measure the actual seat angle, use the level app on your phone. Also, here’s a concept your numb nuts can’t seem to figure out; the actual seat angle has no affect on ride characteristics. One more thing. If you really had to measure the angle because you’re so skeptical about the geometry, look up a side profile photo of the bike and measure it from a computer screen. No it won’t be exact, but it will be good enough.
  • 1 0
 Nice bike! I do like the aesthetics of the Norco better, this GT seems to have too many different angles going on. If only there were a mullet option.
  • 1 2
 $5100 gets you an boat anchor NX level cassette w/ HG driver body and an NX shifter... they missed the boat on those two items, but the rest seems ok. Hopefully the new 29er scores better marks than the last gen... which seemed to come up short.
  • 3 0
 Can we all agree this may be the best looking GT bike
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 So whats the poing of GT and Cannondale being separate brands nowadays? This bike and the Jekyll are both med-high pivot horst link affairs. The geometry is very, very close, with the GT being a half degree more long and slack (literally, a half degree steeper STA and half degree slacker HTA).
  • 2 0
 Honestly not a bad point, seen it happen before with Trek/Gary Fisher.
  • 5 4
 Multi-brand strategy. GT if you want a good value bike that you can afford to ride like it was meant to be. Cannondale if a certain head tube badge makes you feel like a beautiful and unique snow flake (plus the option to get a one-legged Limpy).
  • 2 0
 @Nygaard: Cannondale has XC bikes, GT doesn't. That would seem to maybe make sense, you can position the two brands to appeal to different audiences. But then why the overlap?
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: and road bikes...
  • 1 0
 Probably different distribution channels. Cannondale to LBS, GT through large retailer like performance bike and mail order.
  • 1 0
 Looks nice, shame about the lack of decent cable routing for anyone who likes LH rear brake set up though.
  • 1 0
 Only option may be to go to wireless? That way you can use the shifter cable hole?

Sucks.
  • 2 1
 Is Luis Arraiz still involved in the design? K9 were well ahead of the pack with idlers.
  • 2 1
 INdeed he is.
  • 2 0
 Nice! on my short list in case that will be in stock!
  • 1 0
 Looks like a GT Force with a new high pivot and idler, but looks like it doesn't ride like the old GT Force.
  • 1 0
 above the part that has the title "Suspension design" there is a photo of the chainstay....is this a hole that I see?
  • 2 0
 punch me if you must but I want a full aluminium Force
  • 1 0
 480 reach for a large? That’s so 5 days ago… already outdated. 500+ or it’s garbage
  • 1 2
 And not a single word on what the frame pivots are made of. Are they garbage igus bushings or actual metal bearings that’ll last? Only bike companies that specify this get my money.
  • 4 0
 They're bearings. GT uses bearings across the board on all of their pivots.
  • 2 0
 But 3 for the price of a pivot
  • 1 3
 Why some bicycles are almost equal price to new car ?
Why companies install to every group ( gravel , xc , road ) electric motors?
Why People still tolerate these price's?
Why LBS get somewhere 40%( or even littelbit more) fee for only selling or ordering bike? they don't inventing anything , they don't produce anything and we must pay them such a big % cash from total price !!!

There is more why but maybe someone can answer me these few.
  • 2 0
 Sweet, when can we look forward to the 2021 Field Test happening?
  • 1 0
 These idler pulleys could make for great front derailleurs with a little work. 3x7 is coming back.
  • 1 0
 31.6??? Is that a new standard?
  • 2 0
 Beauty !
  • 1 0
 I may finally be tempted by a 29er!
  • 1 1
 Oh it would be so much sooooo much better with a Mullety 20" wheel at the back!!!
  • 2 0
 Looks sick
  • 2 0
 i like
  • 1 0
 Alloy 140 trail version to follow please.
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney moderately good at climbing? Can you elaborate? Thanks!
  • 5 7
 Another semi-carbon. What's the reasoning for aluminum rear triangles? Is it just cost? If I want a carbon bike I want full carbon.
  • 6 0
 Now you know why it is offered at a relatively low price….besides, aluminum is perfect for that part.
  • 8 6
 Because despite all the industry bull a carbon back end its and strong or durable as an aluminum one. Hence why the put a metal back end on most bikes. However, they will never admit that and I will get thoroughly down voted but who cares.
  • 1 0
 @MattP76: i care matt so ill raise the two downvotes to 1 upvote
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 @Compositepro: Thank you lol
  • 3 0
 Martin in the front, Brage in the back
  • 1 0
 Interesting huh, the Stanton bike a few days ago was titanium with a carbon rear triangle. There are a lot of variations with material on different frame parts. Seems like price is a variable, as well as companies figuring out what works best/what is marketable/desirable....or just what works... rear triangles take a beating!!!
  • 3 4
 "Not the lightest..." Well, what do they weigh? I'm sick of coaxing a 34lb pig uphill!
  • 3 1
 Maybe a change of riding style is needed then. Buy a 25 pound downcountry bike.
  • 3 0
 It says in the article, 35.77lbs 16.22kg
  • 3 1
 I upvoted you by accident. Please know that I meant to downvote you for being a weight weenie
  • 1 1
 It pedals reasonably. So it sucks at pedaling?
  • 1 0
 Curious about this too. Does it work well for aggressive trail riding or is it mostly a shuttle/enduro bike?
  • 1 2
 Soo….where do you buy one though? Sportchek?
  • 1 2
 Looks like a...(brand sibling) Cannondale.
  • 1 3
 So the Factory Team run Shimano and Fox yet you spec all your builds with Sram crap. Good job GT!
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