PINKBIKE FIELD TEST
Trek Remedy 9.9
"This is one of the few 150mm bikes that I'd be happy to do huge days on."
Words by Mike Levy, photography by Trevor LydenTrek's Remedy platform was first introduced way back in 2008, and since then it's been their ready-for-anything all-mountain machine with enough travel to get you out of trouble, but not enough to keep you from wanting to pedal it thousands of feet up into the alpine. That rings true for the latest version, too, and while the 2019 Remedy sure looks similar to its predecessors, it sports some noteworthy changes in the geometry and suspension departments.
The Remedy's rear wheel travel still sits at 150mm, with 160mm on tap up front from a Fox Factory 36 Float fork with the impressive GRIP2 damper. It's also rolling on 27.5'' hoops and high-volume 2.6'' rubber, making it one of the few rigs in the Field Test that isn't on big wheels. There's even enough room for a 2.8'' wide tire on the back of the Remedy, but those who prefer 29ers should look at the enduro-focused Slash.
Remedy 9.9 DetailsTravel: 150mm
Wheel size: 27.5''
Frame construction: carbon fiber
Head angle: 65.5 / 66-degrees
Chainstay length: 435mm
Sizes: 15.5, 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, 21.5''
Weight: 29.1 lb (13.2 kg)
Price: $6,999 USD
More info:
www.trekbikes.com Trek’s 'Knock Block' headset has a built-in stop to keep the fork from spinning around and hitting the downtube, a downtube that’s in the way because they say that frame rigidity is increased if it runs straight from the headtube to the bottom bracket. Another detail is the Mino Link pivot hardware that joins the rocker link and seatstays; you can rotate the hardware to change the head angle by half a degree and the bottom bracket height by 7mm.
On to the numbers. Compared to the previous version, the new Remedy gets half a notch taken off the head-tube angle to sit at 65.5-degrees in the slackest setting, and a 1-degree steeper seat angle.
At the back end, Trek has stuck with their Active Braking Pivot suspension. The rear pivot rotates concentrically around the axle, with them saying that it’s designed to “keep the rear suspension working while braking.” But while ABP is still around, the shock’s lower mount is no longer on an extension off the front of the chainstays. Instead, it’s bolted to the front triangle and not floating. The reasoning comes back to rigidity, again, with this layout said to offer improved numbers over the Full Floater that they've touted since 2008.
ClimbingPretty much all of these enduro-ish type things pedal well enough to satisfy most people's needs, but do they
really feel like a proper trail bike on the ascents? Hell no, but the 2019 Remedy comes close. Despite that praise, it isn't because of its ho-hum pedaling manners that are topped by plenty of other bikes of similar travel. I even hit the pedal-assist crutch lever a few times, something that kills a tiny piece of me everytime I do it.
But while the efficiency is average-ish, the Remedy's climbing manners are, in general, very impressive. A lot of other 150mm bikes are heavily skewed towards the descent, but the blacked-out Trek delivers easy-to-live-with handling on the most technical of climbs. By that, I mean that the climbs are noticeably easier when aboard the Remedy than when riding the other 150mm-ish bikes in the test stable.
Relatively speaking, it's easy to get the Remedy around the tightest of switchbacks, and it was rare to run out of real estate or be forced to dab. All of the traction is there, too, with the 2.6'' wide Bontrager SE4 tires impressing in the ultra-loose late-summer conditions to the wet roots and slick dirt that came later in the Field Test. It's not exactly a dainty gazelle at a smidge over 29 pounds, but the apparently Air Wolf-themed Trek feels pretty quick. In fact, if it were possible, I might guess that I was aboard a trail bike in a blind test.
Descending Look elsewhere if you want an enduro rig that's eager to turn descents into Mexican-style boxing matches; the Remedy is far more of a tactician's bike than other 150mm-travel machines. Sure, with that much suspension you're going to get a hall pass on a lot of terrain, no matter what, but the Trek definitely responds best to a rider who knows the benefits of being smooth and choosing the best lines. The flip-side is that it's lacking that 'Get outta my way' presence that the new Bronson or SB150 have, although neither of those can match the Remedy in the agility department.
The Remedy's suspension feels a lot like past versions, with it leaning more towards an active ride instead of firming up from chain loads. This can be a good thing when it comes to traction, of course. There are deeper feeling 150mm layouts and shock combos, no doubt about that, but Trek seems to have worked-in more support that helps keep the bike up in its travel.
And speaking of handling, the Remedy really underlines the gap between an enduro bike and what I'd call an all-mountain bike. The SB150 is certainly the former, and I'd argue that the new Bronson leans more towards that side of the fence as well. While the Remedy is still a very, very capable bike, a less daring rider descending nasty, scary trails will go faster when he's aboard the big Yeti or a Slash. It's only on the roughest or steepest sections where those two will pull ahead, and I suspect that the Remedy closes the gap anytime things are nearer to horizontal, especially for the more average among us.
The Remedy ain't for the Four Loko slamming, Pit Viper wearing endur-bro who rides and acts like every day on the bike is an enduro race and fancies himself too fast to bother using a damn landing. No, the Remedy is a thinking rider's 150mm-travel bike that's happy on rowdy trails and that you'll be happy to be on during an all-day epic. I can't say that about many other 150mm-travel bikes.
Regardless, I think there is a huge market for these non-race mountain bikes (whatever we call them now).
enjoying this review style. The videos are very good. (Watched the Bronson one several times just to see Alex smash those corners!)
A field test of bikes under CAD $3,500 (USD $2,600) would be ideal.
Two of the three bikes I am looking at for spring are being covered in your reviews, I'm finding your insights very helpful.
Also, Levy sees the need to use the climb switch as a drawback and believes this should not be a requirement on this kind of bike. I'll take his word for it, even if it doesn't bother me on my bike (which has 170mm-ish out back, is old and worth very little, so I have nothing to grumble about and have low expectations).
At these prices and at this stage of bike evolution, these bikes need to nail what they're looking to do.
I don't think that's what he's referring to. There's a hole in the downtube which requires you to insert a zip tie to go over the cables (3 of them) and then come out so you can cinch it tight.
I've done it myself and it's a PITA. And no magnet can help plus the space is tiny.
Why?
Because you're a purist?
Why is dropper lever for downs a great idea while proposal lever for ups a terrible one?
Is this because @mikelevy "even hit the pedal-assist crutch lever"? (aka the bit of tech designed for exactly this purpose). Maybe that lever should be used more frequently on climbs since that's what it's there for. I'm not sure why we expect bikes to climb and descend perfectly when we're not properly using the components we so desperately require.
I always think "then go ride a steel rigid 26"!" Those knobs are there for a reason and not using them is silly.
Because the bikes shouldn't need a cheater switch, that's why. I get it - the switch is easy to hit and instantly makes every bike efficient. That's a pretty cool trick.
Okay, so every single bike has a pedal-assist switch that firms them all up so now they're all efficient and there's not much to say about it. But just imagine how well our bikes would pedal if those dumb switches were never invented? The switches are a crutch for designs that have forfeited the ability to pedal efficiently in favor of active suspension, which is just fine for a lot of people. But bikes can be better; there are long-travel rigs that don't need dumb climb switches, with the big Polygon and any full-suspension Mondraker coming to mind, among others. There are tradeoffs, no doubt about that, but a lever that keeps your suspension from working isn't a solution. It's a crutch. I want my 150mm to pedal relatively well while remaining completely active and open.
Also, we shouldn't need expensive electronics to get it done.
I find my Slash pedals well Open or Flipped to Pedal. The Penske tech rear shock works well for me, it just needed volume spacers to firm up end of stroke on it although it never bottomed out with a thud or anything. My way of being sure I can take large hits with it when I need with peace of mind. Coming from a Hardtail XC bike to the Slash - I have been very happy and much prefer the Slash on the technical climbs (better traction, easier steering and less float in the front wheel).
Other brands climb better but lack the tracking early in travel
Pros & cons with design
I remember how well that Fuji M-Link 150mm bike pedaled, too. WAY too linear, but they nailed it as well on the efficiency. Sounds like a good op-ed subject.
They're all so different in their own way, which is the rad part.
Either way, just another reason to practice riding smooth
Landing with the brakes slightly on? Sure. Brakes on enough that you lock up both wheels on the landing? I hope not..
Edit - I was only observing what I saw in the fork testing video, not making a recommendation.
As you usual I will take the opportunity to suck Bontragers balls for the great tyres.
I'm starting to believe all mountain bikes are the same anyways. Just come to PB for the pretty pictures and to b*tch about people calling my bike a dentist bike.
For sure you are correct in saying it can absolutley out plow the remedy but I wouldnt go as far as to say its a Cow. Mooooooooooo
Also, I don't think "enduro" racing actually has to be all gnarly trails. It's simply ride up the trail untimed and then time the downhill portion (gnarly or not). To me it should be more all encompassing than just long WC level dh tracks.
I'll agree its not like riding a pony around in a circle at the circus, its more of a steed that if you let it will take off on you but once you adapt and put some time on it you learn that it can be a very much "do everything" kinda bike.
and let me tell yah, those new SE5 tires in 2.6, OH BABY!
@ WAKIdesigns: you do know the updated Slash comes on 2.4 botranger rubber and you can run it high which gives it plenty of pop, right?? Not just a Plow Cow.
How are those tyres TheBearDen??
I stayed with the SE4 2.4 out back but put a XR5 2.6 up front. Finding them a good pedal combo but a little loose if the trail is also very loose. Also, what psi are you running them f/r?
Just wondering what psi people run with the bontrager carbon rims.
In the summer I run between 27 & 29 rear and between 25 and 26 up front. In the wet season I run 24 rear and 22 front. I weight 190lbs
Also if I had SE4 or SE5s on Slash in proper mountains I would shred them to pieces in a matter of a few rides on that bike.it asks for DD casings with insert for the back
If it’s a cow it’s got nitro deep in it’s ass
If it were available as an aftermarket part, I'd say why not. But really, requiring proprietary headset parts just for the sake of frame rigidity is just a marketing gimmick. I do NOT feel that the straight shot downtube is noticeably stiffer than a regular downtube – the Knock Block Fuel Ex is not noticeably stiffer than the previous 2016 frame. But now the headsets use a flimsy propriertary part, and restrict the movement of the handlebar. I wish Trek would just give up on straight shot, and offer Knock Block as an add-on for those who want it.
For regular trail riding it's a non-issue.
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"I track stand all the time at the trailhead."
Im curious, why?
@Tmackstab I agree and once the rubber hit the dirt I never thought about the KB again.
"Remedy is a bike that bridges Enduro and Down Country, two most elite disciplines of mountain biking adressed in one bike"
Everyone has different personal experiences, I get that, but in the 3 years I have been on Trek bikes, not once have I found it to be a hinderance.... but hey thats just me
I'd rather spend more time bitching about the Control freak cable routing and the stupid little hole in the bottom of the frame you have to have surgical precision to run a zap strap through to cinch the cables down... lol thats what grinds my gears!
Theres always things that can be improved on every bike... on the trek's its the cable management thats all.
We just having conversation thats all.
...cable management design has been wank ever since somebody decided it was a good idea to put them inside the frame. And now...
“oh please not this again”
YES. BUT NOOO. It’s f*cking stupid. STUPID. Stupid. Stupids. Just like knock block. Solves nothing: creates problems.
And - the only reason it happened is because brands were striving for some ‘exclusivity’, and hence proprietary SHIT. Shiiiiiiit. Now we’re so far down the rabbit hole (internal anal cable hole) it seems there is no way we can get back to the real f*cking world where things make some kind of sense, i.e clip the cables to the bike. For. f*cks. Sake.
What a load of waaaaaaaaaaank
I guess my thing is this: Trek says they made the downtube straight to make for a stiffer frame, which puts it in the way of the fork crown. That's where the Knock Block comes in, to keep the two from hitting. But I'm going to guess that no one out there is going to feel that the '19 Remedy's front triangle is more rigid than the pre-Knock Block version. Incremental improvements and all that, but I can guarantee that the old frame was more than rigid enough and that Knock Block will go away in a few years time.
Also, below is a photo of the ugly version of knock block like technology Canyon uses on the Neuron and I also believe on their bigger travel bikes as well.
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Some NS racks seem to have a little more clearance for whatever reason but yeah... Vertical tray style bike racks will be in my future. Haha
If it had been: "Hey, we have this thing that can keep you from ripping your cables out. You can use it or take it out,'' and the fork crown wouldn't hit the downtube when you removed it. Then I'd be okay with it.
Now, I ride a 36 because it flexes less than a 34 (let's not even talk about 32's - noodle city), so it provides better control. But that doesn't mean it doesn't flex at all - that would be impossible.
I don’t get why it’s compared to 29er enduro bikes. Trek clearly states that the slash fulfills that role.
Personal Take: 160/150: neither uphill nor downhill beast
How did you like the feel of the shock overall? If you were going to comment on it individually.
Recently I had my fox re aktiv serviced with updating valving/ hoping it makes a big difference in the feel next season.
It’s become my remedy for a depression I headed into and I’m riding again!
The bike acts as a beefed up trail bike. Plenty of fun in the air and easy to whip the bike around. I think people get caught up with wanting the fastest race bike but most people don’t have the terrain to really make the bike work well. Fast enduro race bikes need essentially down hill tracks to get them to come alive. The enduro races around me are raced on mellower trails with the occasional down track as that’s all that’s available. My thoughts anyway.
Would that possible?
Tire size,rear tri flex,si and shock bushing issue have brought up by users.
Which bike out of the Remedy, Bronson & Stumpjumper gave you the least amount of fatigue?
Hope I didn't waste your time, or the comment section.
no X-ups = fail