Privateer Launch $3,075 161 Enduro Race Bike

Apr 30, 2020 at 7:13
by Ed Spratt  

After unveiling their prototype enduro bike at Eurobike last year, Privateer has been working hard to bring their first production bike to customers and have unveiled full details about the production-ready bike today.

Privateer bikes are part of 'TheRiderFirm' that includes brands such as Hunt Wheels and was founded with the aim to provide a bike that combines "progressive race-ready geometry" and "rider-focused features" that allow it to handle season worth of abuse or, as the name suggests, a bike to meet the needs of a privateer racer.

The first platform from the UK based company has been developed in tandem with Matt Stuttard, a British enduro rider who placed 19th in last years EWS. Over the course of 18 months Privateer has worked with Matt and Alastair Beckett, who has already designed bikes such as the Nukeproof Mega, to combine their ideas together into this enduro focussed bike.



Eurobike

We first spotted the Privateer 161 during our coverage of Eurobike in 2019.

At the time we said; "As the name suggests Privateer Bikes was founded on the idea of creating a bike that fits the needs and demands of privateer racers. Alloy frame, race-ready geo and burly bearings that can handle season’s worth of abuse."

For the most part, the bike remains similar to the prototype we saw in Germany, but Privateer has refined some areas of the raw prototype to make it slightly more refined and practical for the everyday rider as well as those who want to put the bike against the clock.





From prototype to production:

After Eurobike Privateer continued their work on the development of the 161 and the biggest change to the bike since we last saw it has been reworking the seat tube to improve insertion length for dropper posts.

bigquotesThe biggest change of all is right at the heart of the frame. After putting the miles (+1000's metres of elevation) onto our prototypes and keeping track of the ever-extending dropper post lengths, we knew the seat post insertion just wasn't enough. The right thing to do was to take the frame back to the drawing board. Privateer

To achieve this Privateer had to redesign and replace the entire bottom bracket and shock mount junction to a 2-piece CNC section. This meant that the seat post insertion increased by 50mm on the P1 size and around 80mm on the P2, P3 and P4 sizes.

As well as this, during their development with Matt Stuttard they were able to slightly tweak the geometry to ensure the bike was competitive when racing at the highest level. The final pieces of the puzzle were some minor changes such as adjusting the cable routing to clear race plates.

The Eurobike prototype (Left) and the final production build (Right)

The headtube features handle little guides to eliminate cable rub and to reduce the sound of any cable rattle.

When designing the bike Privateer has had a focus on serviceability so they believed that a threaded bottom bracket was the logical choice.

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Sizing and Geometry:
For the 161, Privateer have decided to offer the bike in four size options, P1, P2, P3 and P4. The smallest size, P1 will come with 27.5" wheels whereas the rest of the sizes will use 29" wheels.

As well as differing wheel sizes, the chainstay lengths will also vary across the size chart with a length of 434mm on the smallest size and 452mm on the biggest P4 bike. Privateer says the changes across sizes is to ensure that each bike maintains the desired handling characteristics while still fitting a large range of riders.






Build Options:
Currently, the Privateer 161 is available in two options, frame-only or complete build. Both options let you choose between the Raw or Matt Black finish.

The frame-only option, which comes in at £1,489 / €1,699 / $1,535 USD, comes with a RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate shock and a sealed cartridge bearing headset.

The one available build option comes specced with a RockShox Lyrik Ultimate RC2 and the same RockShox shock at the rear, the full spec is below:

Frame Only:
- Shock: RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate M/L
- Headset: Sealed Catridge Bearings
- Price: £1,489 / €1,699 / $1,535 USD

Complete Build:
- Fork: RockShox Lyrik Ultimate RC2 170mm / 42mm offset
- Shock: RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate M/L
- Brakes: Magura MT5 203/180 Storm HC Rotors
- Drive: Shimano 12 speed SLX with XT shifter
- Dropper: OneUp V2 180mm
- Cockpit: Raceface Altas 20mm/Aeffect R Stem 40mm
- Contact: Fabric Scoop Elite / FunGuy Grips
- Tyres: Michelin Wild Enduro Magi X Front, Gum X Rear
- Wheels: Hunt EnduroWide
- Price: £2,989 / €3,399 / $3,075 USD



You can find out more on their website.





356 Comments

  • 265 2
 Welp they just beat out Ibis Ripmo AF for the best complete bike value out there... Hopefully, more brands follow suit and we see lots of well spec'd, Alloy Frame bikes w/ top-end geometry around the $3K mark.
  • 116 2
 "Bike companies shouldn't feel bad for making a profit and it costs a lot of money to put good components on bikes! They aren't even making that much money." —Half of the Pinkbike comment section

"You can do it correctly for this much and you should." —Privateer

(Not actual quotes)
  • 125 1
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL:

"We want to give away a free privateer 161 to dexterfawkes, the greatest rider to ever swing a leg over a bicycle."

- Privateer bikes (loosely quoted)
  • 10 7
 I agree that the parts spec is great, but the ripmo’s geo is going to fit more people’s terrain, and won’t have to be backordered into next year????
  • 11 21
flag R-M-R (Apr 30, 2020 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 @dexterfawkes: Looks like a Gambler
  • 20 1
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL: Its amazing the value you can give the buyer when you dont spend a fortune on marketing and sponsorship
  • 16 0
 Hate to say it but the Ripmo AF would probably be a lot cheaper than $3000 if they didn't have to bake in brick and mortar markup.
  • 25 5
 I say Ripmo AF as trail bike and this as park/freeride bike. 2 amazing machines for around $6k holy moly
  • 11 26
flag Ryanrobinson1984 (Apr 30, 2020 at 10:09) (Below Threshold)
 Where the hell is the carbon frame, carbon wheels, and carbon spokes?
  • 35 1
 @Ryanrobinson1984: check the trash folder on your desktop....
  • 40 1
 Thing is, it isn't just great value. It's a sensible, modern, well thought out bike from front to back that happens to be a similar price to Canyon or YT. It's easy to make a cheap bike, not so easy to make one you'd happily thrash the wheels off all year. If I didn't already have my Mega, this would have gone right to the top of my shopping list.
  • 17 0
 This bike makes sense.
  • 17 0
 @cole-inman: Idk, If I had a two bike quiver I don't think I would have two 64-65 Deg. HA bikes with only 14mm of difference in travel. Think something like a Ripley would make more sense as the 'trail' bike.
  • 4 0
 @dexterfawkes: actually really hope you get one for that comment!
  • 21 0
 Kona says screw you, we have Yeti pricing as our goal.
  • 8 0
 @digitalsoul: Lol. Tons of great used deals from people who bought 153's and never rode them though
  • 1 0
 @dexterfawkes: Yo of course they do... lol
  • 3 1
 @cole-inman: the privateer for a freeride/park bike? No. This bike is made to destroy other bikes. This bike is made to conquer. To defeat. This is a race bike
  • 9 0
 @chrismac70: ding ding ding.

Pinkbike comments: Riders don't get paid enough! They are the ones taking all the risks!

also Pinkbike Comments: Bikes are too expensive. Companies are making far too much profit!
  • 4 5
 @mountainsofsussex: sorry man..but 3k is not cheap for a bicycle! Perhaps we see it as normal these days...but is a lot of money for a bike, so the brands should give you a lot for that and I think this bike, yt, canyon and commercial shows that.. is a shame that yt is starting the trend of dress the alu frames with cheap components...
  • 6 1
 @Aishasurf: sorry, perhaps there's a subtlety in language there - I said good value rather than cheap. For a bike with "ultimate" suspension and all other components being quality or sturdy, it's a very good price. Lots of other bikes at this price are covered in components that a decent rider will wear out or swap out within a year, but most would have no complaints whatsoever about this, even at a competitive racing level. The Bossnut or Vitus in the field trip are clearly good cheap(ish) bikes. But lots of riders on here would outgrow them quickly. Sadly the old "cheap, light, strong - pick two" adage still applies...
  • 1 0
 @mountainsofsussex: well, does not impress me.. check canfield balance new full bike prices....ogh, its 27.5 , its obsolete hhaha
  • 1 0
 Remains to be seen. Apparently the build quality isn't that amazing.
  • 1 0
 @Lagr1980: looks a decent bike for a fair price. No UK distributor as far as I can see though :-( And, each to their own, but I do like my 29 inch wheels
  • 1 0
 @dexterfawkes: what, to the asshat that insults people who have lost their trail dogs recently?
  • 1 0
 99,9% of bikes cost less then 1/5 of the end point price (ex-bike engineer in Europe). There is always a way how to sell them cheap. Direct sell to customer from the factory is the best, because you skip all the expenses like dealer, transport, retail store, etc.
  • 131 1
 THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT?!?!?! Okay, three thousand seventy-five, but what's $75 between friends.

Wow, good job Privateer- you just murdered a bunch of other brands.

Now make something smaller and you'll have me as a customer instantly.
  • 59 0
 Apparently a Privateer 141 is in the pipeline.
  • 9 2
 I love the ethos of the Privateer company. This should be what like 60% of all mtb should be about: For the rider. Frame looks a few notches above most mtb out there.
  • 11 0
 @Rickos: It'll be called the Recruit 141.
  • 4 0
 @Rickos: I hope this is true
  • 35 0
 @Rickos: Shhh! Telling all of our secrets Wink

@solem22 All I'll say is keep an eye out on our social channel over the summer for more
  • 11 2
 For a very short Moment I thought it costs 3075161$ and got really excited. I must say I am disappointed now.
  • 1 0
 @PrivateerBikes: Can't wait to see it!
  • 1 0
 @Rickos: I should start saving now.
  • 6 2
 @PrivateerBikes: 27.5 all sizes please
  • 3 0
 @PrivateerBikes: so call me next year when you release the 121 downcountry. I'll be your man Wink
  • 1 7
flag eugenux (May 1, 2020 at 11:30) (Below Threshold)
 @speed10: no. No one needs 27.5 when racing enduro or smashing DH tracks.
Cheers man.
  • 2 6
flag benmoosmann (May 3, 2020 at 1:15) (Below Threshold)
 That isn't even great value tbh. For the same price you could get something like a Canyon Strive, YT Capra or Cube Stereo 150. There are quite a lot of similarly spec'd bikes available at this price point which also have carbon frames.
  • 7 0
 @benmoosmann: Let's see, if I head on over to the YT site I can get a Capra with a Fox Rhythm fork, NX, a house brand dropper and some e13 sprinkled around for $3200 US. That doesn't seem very similar.
  • 63 1
 Is that right? A new bike for $3k? I’ll have money left over for dental work
  • 22 0
 Prices so high now we can't believe a great price.
  • 7 3
 Get some Golden Spengle then
  • 54 4
 I have to admit that they did an amazing job at choosing the components ! the things I would change would be the wheels to DtSwiss E1700, and the brakes to MT7 or XT m8120
  • 127 1
 I know - even spec'd the XT shifter. This is like a master class in budget component spec.
  • 44 1
 For the price it really cannot be beat. Lyrik, magura, and XT shifters. Practical choice going with SLX derailleur since those tend to break anyway.
  • 26 1
 There's really not much difference between the mt7 and mt5. Unless you want to use Magura's hc3 or other levers, the mt5 has the same amount of power and modulation, can run mt7 pads if needed, and is a lot cheaper.
  • 6 0
 @seismicninja: there are several levers available for the MT5 as well; I bought a set but swapped the standard two-finger levers for a set of single-finger ones. All for less than $250, including rotors, for the full front + rear set.

The MT7s are considerably more adjustable tool-free (and I believe they have some adjustment points that don't exist on the MT5 at all) but otherwise they're the same brakes. My only complaint whatsoever is that they're a bear to bleed, especially if you manage (as I did, because I'm an idiot) to get air into the caliper body.

The MT5s also have the bonus of not being eyeball-searingly yellow.
  • 12 1
 There is no scenario in which I would prefer m8120's over MT5. M8120s have decent power and zero modulation, MT5's have all the modulation and power. Although, I would pay extra for MT7's so I would have to buy new pads and levers.
  • 5 0
 Wouldn't change the HUNT wheels, they are awesome. I have that very wheelset on my trail bike and couldn't be happier. They easily hold up to my riding style (7 ft high drops, 15 ft long jumps, smashing through rocks) and I am planning to push them even harder. And the best is they are only 400$.
  • 21 0
 What's wrong with the wheels? Part of the reason for the good pricing, is they spec Hunt wheels, which is a sister company to Privateer Bikes. Overall, they actually look like pretty alright wheels.
  • 4 3
 @onlyDH: It is all about personnal preferences !
I love on-off brakes because I can actually feel when the pads are touching the rotors, making riding technical trails easier for me.
I have a bike with MT7s and my main enduro bike with XTs, the power of the MT7 is amazing, but the lever is a bit flexy because of the "carbotexture" body, and it also very weak, which is no good when I'm racing.
So that's why I went with Shimano brakes for my new bike : very strong, stiff, powerful enough and also they look amazing !
  • 7 0
 @bmck: The only adjustment available on the mt7 that is not on the mt5 is the BAT which does absolutely nothing at all. People think the Shimano Freestroke does nothing but it actually does adjust the bite point a little (in my experience). The Magura BAT REALLY does nothing at all. I have had both the mt5 and mt7 and really don't see any advantage of the mt7 unless you want to run the hc3 levers which are very adjustable themselves with leverage and position adjustment. As far as bleeding, I have always been puzzled why people claim they are so hard to bleed. I have always just pushed fluid from the lever to the caliper and then back to the lever, closed off the caliper, pulled from the lever, filled the reservoir and done. Always got great bleeds that way and as long as there are no leaks in the lines or connections, they stay that way.
  • 5 0
 @seismicninja: As much as i love my MT7 i could not get a long with the carbo tech levers that came stock. So fragile, broke 2 (one was in a bad crash which is understandable), and another one keep coming loose; No mechanic could figure out why. Magura customer service was top notch and send me replacements for two. I replaced them with the HC3 lever and wow the breaks are even better now, nice solid feel at the levers no flex, worth every penny.
  • 3 1
 Gotta disagree - I have a DT 28 spoke straight-pull wheelset and while I love the 350 hub, I think 28 spokes is too few for thrashing. Mine's getting bruised too quickly and I'm having to readjust spoke tension often. I think Hunt's decision to spec 36 spoke rears is a smart one.
  • 3 1
 @rickybobby18: if you are adjusting tension often it's likely due to the fact the wheel was poorly built from the factory. That or the rim isn't holding up its part of the deal, and you are physically changing its shape.

In all fairness, 99% of factory (machine) build wheels are built pretty poorly, so that's not limited to just your set.
  • 6 0
 @cuban-b: and proper tires too (Michelin Wild Enduros are awesome)
  • 3 0
 @seismicninja: I came to upvote and reply to your comment above but this one will do too! I also have the MT7's on the DH bike and the MT5's on my trail bike. I had the MT7's first. I love that brake, but you are absolutely correct in that the BAT adjustment knob does NOTHING. I was mad too because I came off some 2015 Codes where the pad adjustment is an awesome, functioning feature.

As well, both of my MT7 levers have broken easily from minor crashes. It was a design flaw in the integrated cam that had the stop for the lever. It was a tiny cast piece that broke if you looked at it wrong. Now my levers can pretty much move unlimited away from the bar. As well, the tool-less adjust screw was too loose. It would back out and I'd have to adjust it back after a couple chundery runs.

So I bought the MT5's for the trail bike and all my problems were solved. Replaced the levers that came on them with the HC1's. I love that brake (I run MT7 pads in them). If I didn't already have the MT7's on the DH bike I'd get the MT5's for it. I plan on replacing the MT7 levers with the same HC1 levers I put on the 5's. The feel is great.

I'm also in the same boat that I think the Magura's are the easiest brakes I've bled to date. My method is a bit different than yours but I've bled both my pairs successfully. I push from the caliper to the lever, into and open bath, but use the same push-pull method. By changing the angle of the lever on the bar while you're doing the bleed will eliminate any trapped air in the system. I think that's where people get hung up.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: Trouble also with 36h, is that replacement rims are very hard to find in a pinch.
  • 2 0
 @privateer-wheels: so you think 28h straight pull, built right, will last a long time under a big rider going fast on super rocky trails? That's possible?
  • 2 0
 @seismicninja: whoa, MT7s can stop a train. interesting!
  • 9 0
 @pinhead907: The XT shifter with SLX is brilliant.
  • 6 0
 For kicks, I just roughly priced things out on the components.

Going off of rough street/MSRP pricing, the components alone on the complete build would cost you somewhere in the range of ~$2500-2800.

Which means you're nearly getting the frame for "free" (okay, thats hyperbole, but $200-500 feels almost free for a FS frame like this). Thats amazing.

I had planned on getting the frame only... but this value is hard to ignore.

Downside is doesn't look like things will be in stock until September at least.

Guess that gives me some time to decide to preorder Razz .
  • 2 0
 @ocnlogan: I think it would be an awesome bike for someplace like Tiger Mountain. I'd be all over this if wasn't thrilled with my current bike.
  • 2 0
 @NWBasser:

I'm in the PNW as well. Haven't ridden Tiger yet, but its on my list. I hit Galbraith for the first time right before everything got Corona'd, and this seems like the ideal bike for big days like these places (and Raging River, and trips to stevens).

Seriously considering going with one over my current Kona. I just wish there was a way to demo/test ride one. Especially as the P4 size is sooooo much bigger (100mm longer than my size L Process 153!).
  • 4 0
 @fedfox: yeah the HC3 levers do have a much more solid feel to them. Seems like a no brainer for Magura to just make all their levers out of the same material but guess they know better lol
  • 1 0
 @krashDH85: Yeah I was not happy either when I discovered the BAT did nothing too lol. That was the whole reason I got the Mt7 because I really like being able to adjust the contact point. Just reinforced my opinion that the Mt5 is the much better buy overall.
  • 8 0
 @rickybobby18: With the right rim and spokes, I'm sure it's possible yes - but I didn't say it would be the ideal choice. Personally I would lean towards 32h for the extra load support, for sure.

But it sounds like your issues, spokes coming lose and having to true the wheel often, is less due to the wheel being 28h, and more due to the wheel build and/or rim selection itself. Spokes come lose for a couple of reasons - poor build, and rider changing the shape of the rim.

If we built you a wheel, 28 hole or 32, we would build using your weight, location, style, and level of aggression to inform our spoke choice. We would also build them with proper spoke preperation - lube where lube needs to be, and locking compounds (or nips with mechanical locking features) where they need to be, so spokes don't come lose. We would also build to very even tension, so each spoke is sharing equal load. And, we would properly destress your wheels so tensions don't change after a few weeks of riding them. Factory built wheel are rarely if ever properly prepped, and tensions are generally all over the map, and they are never properly destressed - these issues lead to spokes backing off, loss of tension, spoke fatigue leading to broken spokes, and wheels not staying true in general. That's likely the culpret, ahead of the 28h factor, which likely doesn't help matters much, but 32h may not be your savior - a better built wheel might actually be, however - perhaps in tandem with an increased spoke count.

Properly built wheels shouldn't lose spoke tension in any material way unless you have damaged something, or changed the shape of the rim - and obviously smart rim selection helps there, also informed by all those wonderful "about you" bits of info noted above.

I'm not disagreeing with you that 32 or 36 holes may be a better choice for a large aggressive guy - spreading big loads and big impacts over more spokes is certainly easier on a wheel - but more so, noting that 28 hole likely isn't your sole issue, from the symptoms you have described and sight unseen. My opinion of course, not knowing where your wheels came from, or who built them - perhaps they were expertly built and you are just that guy who'll put any wheel to it's limits.
  • 2 0
 @fedfox: pretty much fragile and not worthy using on a bike that’s gonna get crashed. Buy spare levers and carry one in your pack
  • 2 0
 @fedfox: I broke my mt5 lever body in a crash and realized that Shimano levers are much cheaper and can be run with magura calipers, shigura are running great although I think you have to use Shimano mineral oil which I do. I prefer Shimano levers anyway so made sense for me.
  • 2 0
 @seismicninja: The hc3 levers actually work on the mt5. I tried it on my wife's bike. Never gonna buy mt7s again after finding that out.
  • 1 0
 @seismicninja: hc3 levers work on the MT5s. I have both the mt7 and mt5 brakes, both with hc3 levers. Knowing this, the mt7s aren't worth the extra cost.
  • 1 0
 For my American magura owners, can anyone tell me where to get the mt7 brake pad retaining pins? The only place that I know of is not currently shipping to the US
  • 1 0
 @onlyDH: I just bought the cheapest set of Magura-branded MT7 pads I could find, which come with pins.
  • 1 0
 @onlyDH: Just as a heads up, the SRAM pins off my Code's work. They're a bit shorter than the Magura pins, but they still went all the way through. If you have anything Sram sitting around, give them a shot. I'm doing that while waiting for some Magura ones.
  • 2 0
 @bmck: in a tight spot you can use a j bend spoke cut to size and bend it to keep it in place.
  • 43 0
 I love these no non-sense bikes. The anti-Yeti.
  • 6 1
 ^This.
Seriously, who would buy a Yeti over the 161?
  • 1 1
 @WheelWizard: e.g. people who want carbon (not me, i'm team Privateer here)
  • 3 1
 @WheelWizard: Wouldn't buy a Yeti over this, but I'd definitley buy a RAAW or Nicolai over this.
  • 3 0
 @benmoosmann: I like your style!
  • 32 0
 That raw looks amazing. You know: all the time people are like: I buy frame only, so I can put what I want on it...not what the mfg specs. And here comes Privateer, speccing a bike the way I would...and at a price I could actually afford.

Thanks Privateer...good on ya!
  • 15 0
 Thanks!
  • 4 0
 I was just discussing this with my friends. It is like the product manager build this bike the way I would have build it. Probably, I would only change the grips due to personal preference but, that's about it.
Loved it when I saw the xt shifter with slx everything elese. Very few people understand that the shifter has a higher impact in shifting performance than the derailleur. For instance, xt shifter with slx derailleur will always change gear better than slx shifter with xt derailleur.
So, congraz to the privateer team and their PM; that is a very smart specced bike!
  • 29 0
 WHAT! U$3.075?
I think I have to cancel my reservation for the other bike ...which is the double w/ a little bit higher spec components

Good job Privateer
  • 33 2
 Buy this and stop getting ripped off by marketing BS
  • 1 0
 Absolutely!
  • 24 0
 Full build P2 in Raw is on order. It should be here state side in about a month. I had a few questions for them before I pulled the trigger, and their online chat and email response was fast and very helpful. That made my decision that much easier.
  • 2 0
 I've got a preorder down too! What concerns did you have? And what did they say, if you don't mind me asking?
  • 1 0
 Congrats! nice bike
  • 7 0
 Thanks for the support! Glad our customer support team could help give you peace of mind.
  • 2 0
 @emarquar: Mostly about geo and sizing. I am right on the borderline between the P2 and P3.

I am coming from a Large 2019 High Tower. After they helped me to understand the differences in the geo (difference in their reach and stack against the High Tower), they recommended that I go with the P2 size , as that is closer to the size of my High Tower. Also, I can exchange it for free (minus shipping in sure) for a different size should I require that.
  • 2 0
 @trelleder: Thanks... I'm like a 5yo waiting for Christmas to come!
  • 22 0
 Great looking bike! But in the video, autocorrect must have corrected the "cable rub" blurb to "cattle rub". And in Wisconsin, cattle rubbing has a totally different meaning...
  • 9 0
 time to milk the bulls!
  • 2 0
 Almost as many typos in the press release as in the comments section... Yeesh.
  • 5 2
 That video was awful. Too dark. No shot of the entire bike. No clues who the customer is. Long sentences that need to be read quickly. Distracting shaky effects. It sucked to watch and didn't tell me anything.
  • 2 0
 @PrivateerBikes I watched the 2nd video, with Liam, and that edit is SICK! It had porn and showed that the bike was all about. I'd mostly withdraw my complaints about the glitchy video if you swapped it in the order with the Liam vid. It works to hype the build spec once i was familiar with the model.
  • 25 2
 A bike Speced with Magura brakes !?!!?! THIS COMPANY GETS IT!
  • 9 14
flag nouseforaname (Apr 30, 2020 at 10:50) (Below Threshold)
 I too like my master cylinders fragile, and prone to leaking! That's the weak point of the spec of whole bike IMO.
  • 3 1
 @nouseforaname: unfortunately I do crash with my bike. Fortunately my maguras on both bikes need nothing but angle adjustment after each crash.

Heard some talks about fragile master cylinders but over 3 years and many crashes I still haven't replaced them with shimanos as originally intended.
  • 12 0
 Damn, that's a helluva deal. If I was buying a bike this year, this would be it. I really like the build kit too, put the money in the suspension, use SLX for a robust drivetrain. Great call with the Magura MT5 brakes too - I've got these on both my bikes since they work so well. When its time to replace my bikes, I really think I'll be buying Privateers.
  • 1 0
 The best part, for you, is the MT5s on the 161 come with hoses cut to length so you can stop running your damned hoses at full length, spooled up like a garden hose. lol
  • 15 0
 @R-M-R: Who says we cut hoses to length? It's all about those mid-stage barspins... Wink
  • 2 0
 @PrivateerBikes: My apologies for underestimating your efforts to merge "speed and style" racing with enduro. I would definitely watch that, by the way.
  • 14 0
 I might be biased, but that seems like a very well thought out spec.
  • 9 1
 Ordered a frameset, and some hunt wheels separately.. and they gave me 10% off! Wheels were delayed a week so they gave me a free tee / cap / mudguard. Communications are spot on, unlike some other long / slack bike manufacturers I’ve previously dealt with...
  • 5 0
 @Deadweight Thanks for the support and kind words! Apologies it wasn't as smooth sailing as we'd have liked.

Can't wait to see it all built up!
  • 1 0
 @PrivateerBikes: I made the same but didn’t have these advantages Frown
  • 1 0
 I'm curious. What's your reason for building from the frame? Just want to go with different suspension brand? Seems pretty hard to beat the cost of the full build.
  • 5 0
 @jojotherider1977: Already had everything I needed to build it up! Otherwise I’d have definitely got myself the full build, looks like fantastic value!
  • 10 0
 Looks like an awesome bike for an awesome price even though a bit of an overkill for me.
  • 9 1
 Damn, $3k for this is plain nuts. And of course the P3 (aka size Large) is backordered until September. Considering I'm bike shopping for something right now, I'm actually a bit bummed.
  • 1 0
 2 weeks ago it was may wk2
  • 7 0
 This is apparently what it costs to make a bike with a small profit margin. Propain, YT, Privateer, etc. sell (or at least used to sell) alu complete bikes with top of the line suspension for 3k.

Nuts is the fact, that for basically every shop brand you'll pay pretty much exactly double the price for the same build and a carbon frame...
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 @Noeserd: I understand that they sold out of the first set of frames/full builds.
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 @wolfsberg: I agree, all of the smaller batch bikes that are cutting edge for geometry and reasonably specced for parts sell out very quickly.
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 I’ve been planning on a frame only for a while, as it’s a wicked deal.

But this complete build is amazing. Pretty much the same components I would have done (SLX 12 speed drivetrain, Lyrik ultimate, oneup dropper), with a few parts slightly different (different brakes/wheelset).

I’ll have to do a closer price comparison for which parts I’d actually have to buy for the frame up build to see which is actually cheaper in the end... but this seems like such a good value it’s crazy.

My Kona has an msrp the same as this, and came with a yari, non piggyback shock, 11 speed NX drivetrain and level T brakes. No comparison.

Let’s keep this trend going. Short travel bike? Hardtail?

Sign me up Smile .
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 @ocnlogan Shorter travel and hardtails... all great ideas!

What would you want to see if we did either/both?

Appreciate the feedback Smile
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 @PrivateerBikes:

I'm far from an expert, but I guess I'm a consumer in the target market, so maybe that counts for enough in terms of qualifications :p.

It kind of depends on how many more models you'd like to produce. Something in the 140-150 range would be a good all rounder. But I see someone who owns a 161, as someone who would also potentially own a short travel bike (or hardtail), more likely than owning a mid travel bike anyway. And if they had as strong of value of the 161, I'd imagine they would sell well.

Having the short travel bike be something a bit like a SC Tallboy, or Norco Optic seems super ideal. Something in the 120-130mm rear travel range is sufficiently different from the 161. Something for the rides that are more pedally/flatter than the trails they'd take the 161 on, but still lets them/us get rowdy on the downs.

A hardtail in either Aluminum/Steel would be just fine. I'd approach it like the cheaper alternative to the short travel FS bike mentioned above.The main competitors here are both the "value" bikes like the Nukeproof scout, as well as the higher end stuff like the Norco Torrent/Chromag/Whyte 905/909. I don't think it needs a long travel fork though (the geo changes get dramatic on hardtails under compression), but still something fairly aggressive. I'd just make sure it fits at least a 29x2.6 Smile .

Also, while I REALLY like the value you guys are putting out, I also wonder a bit about how low of price point you could get using a cheaper component spec (especially the hardtail, as its likely appealing to a lower budget buyer). Not saying bad, but maybe instead of a Pike, a Revelation, etc.

Also, since I have your ear...

I'm 6'1" (~185cm). And as it is with many other brands, I'm between size P3 and P4 for the 161. Which size would you go with if you were me?

Also, does the 60 day ride/return policy extend to the US? Its not 100% clear on the website.

Thanks!
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 @PrivateerBikes: I'd like to see a hardtail with similar geo, 2 water bottle mounts, and built to a low price. No hydroformed/CNC/internal/tapered/sliding necessary. Just a simple design that i could mount some parts to and go thrash.
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 @PrivateerBikes: Honestly, if you applied similar geo (based around a 150mm fork, perhaps), the frame accommodated 29x2.6 and 27.5x2.8 across all sizes, and you carried over this same spec, cable clamps etc. I suspect it would do very well in the aggressive HT market.
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 Basically the enduro privateer's winter training hardtail - nothing too fancy, but durable enough to hold up to thrashing
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 @PrivateerBikes: Something to compete in the SB130, Optic, Smuggler arena. Capable but still fun to ride in mixed terrain. So not to steep a seat angle and not too long. Something that can be enjoyed all day having fun in the rolling stuff and smash the down hills. May be race local enduros.
For me that would be 130 rear and 140-150 front. 76 seat, 65-65.5 head. Maybe around 475 reach, 625 ish effective TT and lowish bb for size Large.
Anodized raw. Ready for delivery about February 2021. Please!!
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 @BSheldon: We have similar wants, but those big tires need a chainstay yolk or something goofy. Do you think 29x2.5 (barely) would be enough if it meant stiffer chainstays, possibly more durable, and 50$ cheaper?
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 @PrivateerBikes: only ever make frames in black and raw.
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 @kittenjuice: I certainly wouldn't kick such a bike out of bed for eating crackers. With their spec, a 27.5x2.6 / 29x2.5 compatible frame would be well worth the tire size compromise for easier engineering and manufacture - I'd certainly trust these guys to build a proper HT over any of the big brands.
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 @PrivateerBikes: I'd like to see some pictures of Margaret Thatcher on a frame. Make it happen.
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 @PrivateerBikes: 29er hardtail with 120-130mm fork and geometry the more aggressive end of "trail" category rather than full enduro so the bike is good for big all day rides as well as trail centres. Obviously threaded BB and external cables. SLX level components and a mid range fork that is reliable and easy to service. The aesthetics you already have nailed, so more of the same please.
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 @ocnlogan: Thanks to all those above for the feedback, super valuable to us.

Gives us a lot to think about for our next projects, a lot of the ideas seem to match up too which is always nice!
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 @ocnlogan: Sorry, forgot about your other questions.

Sizing can be a tricky one with so many variables. Personal preference can also sway the decision too i.e do you prioritise agility or stability? etc. Feel free to DM us and we can work this all out for you.

Matt Stuttard is about 6 foot and rides a P3 if that's any help.

60 Day ride and return applies worldwide. Thanks!
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 @PrivateerBikes: will you make a 27.5 bike?
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 Privateer, you seriously made my dream bike, and by the looks of the comment section, this is the most well received bike release on pink bike I've ever seen. I work at a trek dealer, and I may have to give up on my pro deal to try this new age bike out!
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 Nice looking bike, and I love the name Wink
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 I know we're jumping ahead a bit but please contact me when you make a P5. For taller guys the only options out there are Pole and Geometron. I'd be super happy on this bike. Give is the same geo as the P4 except 530 reach and a 150 head tube and we'd be set! Fingers crossed you add this option the next time around. Good luck wth the launch.
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 Agreed!!
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 How tall are you?
With 2m I can imagine riding a longer/taller bike than mine with 500/130, but it would come at the cost of getting around corners and switchbacks even worse.
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 @alexsin Thanks for the feedback, it's always really valuable to hear thoughts directly from riders. We'll definitely keep this in mind for the future, would love to serve riders all shapes and sizes
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 @cxfahrer: 500/130 on a bike with a 79' seat tube would be minuscule. It's an urban legend that modern longer bikes don't get around corners well.
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 @PrivateerBikes: I'm on the hunt for a new FS bike later this year so if you want a BC XXL tester give me a shout! Sell me your first XXL demo!
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 second this. the P4 is just a little too small at 6'7". would love a P5 as most XXL frames are too small for me!
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 @alexsin: it’s not a myth dude it’s physics, long bikes won’t mike tigger turns as well as short bikes but how tall must you be when 515mm reach isn’t enough? I’m 6ft 3 and I’m between medium and large.
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 Yes, totally agree! The P4 should be ok in the standing position with the seat down, but I'm afraid the steep seat tube angle makes the seated position cramped. Bring on the P5! Smile
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 “Privateer has refined some areas of the raw prototype to make it slightly more refined”

Stellar writing here
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 department of redundancy department.
  • 4 0
 They could've refined some areas to make it a lot more refined. It's important to be clear about these things.
  • 4 3
 Trump inspired.
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 Love it! I’m having one of these..
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 Yay, no sram GX!
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 your obsessed mate
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 @foespower: its my passion!
  • 7 0
 Well that defeats the need for custom builds. Well played.
  • 8 0
 Oh look! Sentinel LT AF!
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 This bike and the Raaw are a breath of fresh air!!

Personally, being 1,70m I have no idea how to approach a possible buy. If I choose the P2 29er, I ll have a 47mm reach and 1250 wheelbase, wich is huge if compared to my current 27.5’s 43mm and 1180!! On the other hand, p1 with 27.5 ( am I too short for a 29er?) with a very short top tube. I m getting old, I d rather have a playful bike than a rocket plough bike, but I have to compromise either way!
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 yes you are too short
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 I feel your pain when time comes to choose a new bike/frame.
Have a look at the Rallon 29er (SM size, 435mm reach and 1187 wheelbase). I'm also 1,70m, and feel perfect on the bike.
I used to ride other brands before, and lost my mind more than once while choosing the size (Small vs Medium).. and in the end, i've never felt at home on both (Small Commencal meta (27,5) wasn't enough stable on long run when fatigue started to show up, and Medium Spartan (27,5) wasn't playful enough (hard to bunny hop / manual for example)
Last year, I decided to go back to the Orbea family (rode the rallon R4 for 3years before the meta), best decision, perfect sizing ! From what i see, Orbea seems to design their frame around 1,70, 1,80 and 1,90m people whereas most of the other manufacturers around 1,65, 1,75 and 1,85.
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 @KoalaDesBois. I ride a an old ‘15 Transition Patrol, even after a couple of snapped chainstays, I frickin love my bike, it climbs ok and corners and jumps amazingly!! I want to keep riding it for one more year, it’s getting old.
Tried a Nomad and didn’t like it very much, not that playful. Tried an Insurgent lb, loved everything about the bike, hated the seated position for climbs, too slack/ long top tube! And I really wanted to like it...
Maybe I should have tried the Calling!
I m checking all possible substitutes, that Rallon seems great on paper, and I have a Orbea dealer near by....never thought about it, but I ll try to demo the bike in the future! Merci pour me aider
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 @Pyres:
I am 1.73cm and demoed a Large Rallon with a 40mm stem. Perfect combo. Not to mention the added reach and wheelbase you get from the bigger size frame.
Then again, my main bike is a large custom GT Sanction with 180mm fork and recently with no dropper, as I need the clearence for the steep and rough terrain so, maybe I am a little biased towards larger bikes.
The Rallon felt trail-ish to me, something like an all mountain bike and not the full blown enduro race bike.
As for the privateer 161, until Autumn, I have enough time to decide upon a P2 or a P3. I would never consider a P1. If you want to smash at mach speed, you need, in this order: wb, reach and good suspension.
Cheers.
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 Looks like a great bike for the money! Just going to point out that Bird have had the AM9 out for a couple of years now at the same price point (albeit 150/150) - specced one up on their website to almost the same as this @ £2810..

It does make me wonder why there's no equivalent US direct sales brands though?
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 Got my frame only delivered 2 weeks ago. Black frame P2
Set it up with a lyrik ultimate, gx eagle, enduro wide wheelset, shimano 8120 brakes
Riding it on my local trails (Austrian alps) since 10 days and I'm absolutely loving it!!
Great bike!
Stable at speed, still playful, very composed and quiet, couldn't be asking for more
Seat angle needs a little getting used to. Everything else falls right into place for my liking, although it differs quite a bit from the (also great) beefed up whyte RS150 it replaces.
Would recommend it to every experienced rider that likes to go fast!
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 That sounds great. Could you give a bit more feedback on how it differs in ride feel from your Whyte?
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 @MarcusBrody:
Sure.
I beefed up the 150 with a 160mm Lyrik ultimate, Codes, DD tires, etc
Without theses changes, it was a great trailbike. Super flickable and fun. With these changes it went a little more into the enduro category, what I prefer - based on the terrain that I’m riding most of the time (natural, challenging trails an DH tracks) and based on my riding capabilities compared to my 15 year younger riding mates.

The 161 in contrast is more focused on speed. It gives much more feedback and it is much stiffer.
So, the faster you go, the better it gets.
Stuff were I was hesitating on going full trottle on the whyte got much easier done fast on the 161
I did suppose that it would be harder to get around tight switchbacks and narrow techy singletrail bits, at lower speed, do to the length and slackness of the 161, but, up to now, that’s not the case. It is confidence inspiring at all speeds - at least to me.
Yes, quite obviously, it needs a little more “body English” to be thrown around - so, if you never hit the gym for upper body and core strength, starting that would be a good investment for such a bike - but it is great fun and reacts very predictable to bigger body movements. Something that I grew accustomed to in some rides and really like now!

Uphills - talking about 600 to 1000 hm climbs here - was and still needs a little bit of adjustment.
It is significantly heavier than the whyte what is not completely Outdone by the steeper seattube angle. At least in my experience.
But, it gets better and better with every ride. So, I got the feeling, that a big part of that is muscle memory related?

Nevertheless. Even after 10 days -
Getting up the hill was easier and a little faster on the whyte.
But “getting up the hill as easy and fast as possible” is not what I bought the 161 for ????

Basically: getting around on easy and possibly flat trails. Playing around at moderate speed and stuff -
I’d go for the whyte
Challenging terrain. Higher speeds. Confidence on bigger
Stuff and even on steep techy slow stuff - the 161 is, for me, the way to go.
It’s a little bit like the if the propain spindrift would have 29ers, and a proper seatangle. Super stable and still playful - so, not a DH bike - but rather
a Fun enduro bike with DH capabilities
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 @qbensis: Wow, thank you, that's an amazingly thorough comparison and really helpful.
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 80 degree seat tube angle? That seems a bit extreme. A 490mm reach with a ett of 603mm sounds painfully cramped and ungainly at the same time.
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 Ditto- when pedaling on anything but extremely steep, winch up style terrain there is going to be a ton of weight on your hands and a lot of discomfort, unless you size up like two.
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 We've jumped the shark. What's next, the 90 degree barrier. Steeper seat angles is a good thing but pedaling in upright townie unicycle position is not ideal either. Funny how I could climb anything I wished with a 74 degree seat angle just a couple years ago.
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 True, and hamncheez makes a good point about the ideal terrain. It's a balance of compromises: a more traditional seat-tube angle is great at mild angles, but we sit on the tip of the saddle on steep climbs, while a super steep seat-tube angle means we carry more weight on our hands on the flats and climb in comfort.

If you're like me and slam your saddle forward on the rails on most bikes, you could slam it rearward on the 161 and you may end up in a comparable location.
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 In isolation that seems extreme but combined with a long reach and you have a bike that is designed to go up sustained climbs then down long descents. But, if your trails are more rolling, it’s not an ideal balance geo. My point: buy a bike for your needs and not what’s “in.” This bike is made for enduro racing.
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 @ryan83: Agreed, this geometry isn't for everyone. Nice to have options, though, and now at a reasonable price.
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 @hamncheez: it's definitely not going to be for everyone, saying that a P3 has the same top tube length as a large first gen YT capra. I had my saddle pushed forward on a large strive, with my saddle mounted back on my P3 it's much more roomy than I thought it would be. I have really long legs for my height so even with a steep seat angle I end up further back on the bike. my 210 one up has over 3 inches sticking out above the seat collar. I will have to play with bar height to get the right mix for weight on the front wheel without too much pressure on the hands.
  • 5 0
 The geo must make Mike Levy smile a bit. Sounds like grim donut light?? Amazing value though.
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 @R-M-R: So true. I "upsized" on my current bike, wanting the benefit of more reach as the Geo was modern-ish but not too far. The seat angle was relatively slack and made the eff TT length a bit stretch out. Got a ergon enduro saddle with more rail adjustment, ran it far forward, and it climbs like it has a 1-1.5 deg steeper STA (math checks out too).

I would probably do the inverse of this in terms of saddle adjustment and be happy.
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 @R-M-R: At 5' 9", I had a custom hard tail make with 480 reach and 76 STA. That is pushing it, I feel. Mabye add one or two degrees for a fully to account for sag. 80 is getting extreme. I'd need around a 500 reach to make pedaling not feel cramped, and thats too long for descents.

I also slide saddles all the way forward on more traditional STA, and it works fine. However, if you slide your saddle back you're going to bend your rails after half a season.
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 @R-M-R: I understand that not every bike has to be for everybody and this is a race machine. I might be wrong on this but I just can't imagine that even EWS racers spend a relevant amount of time climbing terrain that would justify this STA.

Anyway, I live in the middle of the alps and my home trails start at 1500 m a.s.l. and I am pretty sure stuff around here is not steep enough for this geo. I would have loved to buy this frame but I'm worried that the STA (and the resulting very short ETT) will bite me in the ass...
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 I have a Fezzari La Sal Peak that has a 79 SA. It felt a bit cramped at first but you definitely get used to it and it does feel better climbing steep stuff. I have no issues with it but I can understand the concern if you have never ridden something like it.
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 @ianswilson815: I thought it was 78 degrees
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 @hamncheez: Sag on a 161 mm rear when climbing will change the seat-tube angle by more than 3°, so it's not much steeper than your hardtail at 76° on steep climbs.

Personally, I dislike sitting on the nose of my saddle more than I dislike a bit more weight on my hands. Looks like we agree on this, given your hardtail geometry. Exactly how far we take is a matter of personal preference.

Not all saddles will bend when set rearward. Greater risk of it, though, that's true.

Yes, this geometry is extreme. Too extreme for many, which is fine, as there are hundreds of less extreme bikes for them. There are only a few bikes like this and I'm glad to see another option.
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 Nah it feels good. My Norco Sight VLT has a 79 seat angle, even on less steep stuff it feels awesome
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 @wolfsberg: I ride a bike with a nominal 76° effective seat-tube angle. The actual angle is slacker than on the Privateer, so the difference is more than 2°. In any case, I run the saddle fully forward, which is good for a mix of long climbs and rolling terrain. A 161 with the saddle fully rearward probably wouldn't be excessive for my preferences.

A popular local trail network involves laps of a 300 m climb on a wellsite road that's never less than maybe 10% and has pitches well over that. As soon as you get to a trail, you won't touch the saddle again until the bottom - not so different from enduro racing. The 161 would be perfect if I rode these trails more often, as many around here do, including my friend who bought a 161. My seat-tube angle is nowhere near as steep as I want it to be on these trails.

These are my own preferences, of course, and other riders will have different preferences. At least there's now one more option for those who want a "winch and plummet" bike.
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 @hamncheez: that is exactly what most of the climbs I do are like.. Drooling over this bike
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 75 degree *actual* seat tube angle ought to be sufficient for the internet.
  • 2 0
 Wow this looks amazing. A GG shred Dogg or megatrail were the only bikes on my list if I ever get cash. Now there are 3. Those are a Canfield Balance and this one. It's a tough call and getting tougher. That's a good thing for sure Magura mt5s are what I run currently. I love them. Better than any I've tried before. Do yourselves a favor though and go with the mt7 pad setup. It's so much easier and I think they feel better too. I just need to afford a lever swap to the 1 finger ones and I'll call them done.
  • 3 0
 I'd love to swing a leg over the new Balance, but I already have a Megatrail so I'm good.
  • 4 0
 I hope that Yeti, SC and Specialized are starting to sweat as more bikes come out that begin to re-define what is acceptable.
  • 2 0
 Spesh really needs to do an alu frame enduro and get the spec options sorted
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 @zyoungson: this ☝????
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 Honestly the best bike deal iver ever seen. Insane pricing, And a perfect spec where you wouldn't have to change a thing and just go ride. hopefully you guys can keep up with demand. Looks to be heavily back ordered already! Too much travel for me as I'm not racing. Fits in the same slot as a dh bike for me. a little to much travel for a do it all bike. Make a ibis ripley clone or similar shorter travel lighter weight do it all bike in aluminum with a good spec like this and I'll pre order it today.
  • 2 0
 I don't understand how such a small boutique bike company like this can make a such a cheap, well specced bike even though their operating cost must be relatively higher than bigger brands, and then specialized and trek are still here giving their otherwise good aluminum frames horrific paint jobs (while their carbon bikes are matte black, of course), and the speccing then with XT drivetrains, Rockshox Sektors, and Sram T brakes.
It's not like the other companies are stupid, they just think we are.
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 I think you answered your own question in the last sentence.
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 Nope there is no magic behind it. Direct sales and no distribution = 2/3 of the price of something that is sold through dealers (with standard 35% margins). Remove the middle man. Not taking anything away from this because it looks great, but that's just how it is!
  • 3 0
 I was pretty convinced and then I noticed the test rider was a family friend I haven't spoken with in 20 years. Somehow sealed the deal. Placed a pre-order and am super excited, haven't had a new bike since 2014.
  • 2 0
 Happy NBD!
  • 4 0
 Wow, that spec and price are really solid! If I was in the market for a bike right now, that would be the one.
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 Damn, they did well, if it rides well then this will be a nice bike for folks on a budget who don't want to cheap out. So I'd be curious to know if the larger frames can be spec'd with 27.5 or would that require the shorter chainstay.
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 Yep... Definitely gonna try one at that price for sure. Solid spec, geo and build. Nicely done.
  • 3 1
 This is what real riders want. No nonsense quality spec build at a great price. Who are these people buying carbon bikes with an NX groupset and how is there even a market for it.
  • 2 0
 Did someone convert the pricing incorrectly? When I convert 2989 pounds to dollars it is 3,764.69 dollars. Maybe it is cheaper in the US because they don't need to charge VAT?
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 Correct. VAT is EU only
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 I don’t need this much bike at all but damn the spec is nice! 490 reach is great! Please make a trail bike with 140-150 up front and I’ll have my Norco Optic on buysell page
  • 1 0
 Bird AM9 my friend..
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 @PrivateerBikes Sick bike! Just a question: I read on your website that the main pivot has 3 bearings. Usually this would be over- constrained and could mean unwanted loads on the bearings, unless the bearings are very precisely aligned. Are the main pivot bearings still easily serviceable with a traditional bearing service kit, or are specialized tools required?
  • 2 0
 @PrivateerBikes What damper does the Lyrik ultimate come with? 2 or 2.1? The spec says "RC2", but i wasn't aware that new model year still had that as an option? Killer spec regardless
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 @PrivateerBikes Could you publish on your site a side shot of all four sizes and/or frame design overlay of them? It would be nice to see what the target sized bike looks like.

Thanks for delivering such a great value bike with a geometry that is modern and does not cut corners (size-dependent CS)!
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 @PrivateerBikes - +1 for this, would be a really useful feature for those of us comparing geometry charts, especially with so few of these out in the wild as yet.
  • 1 0
 Wow back in the days I found that frame was looking good but bringing it to Canada.... could have some other options at this price range. Now with this complete bike price...no way!!!! Cheaper than YT for us!! 3075 US dollars for a good raw frame, Lyrik RC2 (even if it is the 2.0 damper instead of 2.1!?), Super Deluxe Ultimate, One up 180mm dropper, Race Face cockpit, Michelin tire (still riding those 70$cad Minion but otherwise I woud try those), Magura brakes and the better part for me, SLX with an XT shifter... WOWW!!!! I would only change my wheels later but keep those as spare and/or muddy days with mud tires! Everything is as I would have build it anyway...

I'll receive my Knolly Delirium/Warden soon and pretty sure I'll love it but if there's something, the Priveteer will be my next bike for sure!!! Good job guys!!
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 Great spec for the full build, wouldn't change a thing. Would you participate in the cycle to work scheme?
  • 1 0
 They don't at the moment, I bought a P3 frame set and used cycle to work to buy all the other parts.
  • 1 0
 @DC1988 Thanks for the kind words! Not right now, although we are always reviewing different ways to make life easier for riders, so potentially in the future.
  • 5 3
 The top tube length looks really short, are those numbers correct? Can someone inform me? Even the shortest size XL bikes have a top tube length over 640mm.
  • 7 0
 By product of the 80 degree SA. Knees hitting your handlebars is where it's at.
  • 2 2
 Freakin Eh. That thing is sick- I can't read good, but I didn't see the weight in this article. The website says. Pre-production prototype 161 is 6.6lb Frame only, no shock. Compared to.. Slash AL is 7.39lbs with a Deluxe. Ripmo AF is 8.25lbs with a DVO Topaz. Not to mention, and I don't know if I trust this, but when I just "added to cart" and calculated shipping, after the conversion, the frame and shock is $1650.98 shipped to my door!? Winner... Only thing that doesn't check all the boxes at this point is dealer service and warranty in the US. Do I have to send it back to the UK to get it warrantied? Sick bike, nevertheless.
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 I mentioned it in a different comment, but I just received a 161 for review, size P3. Frame weight is 9.8 pounds with shock.
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 Production frame is probably a little heavier due to all the changes. Shock easily ads a pound. So, it’s safe to assume the 161 will be 7.6 lbs+ in the smallest size.
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 @mikekazimer:

This is great news. I'll try to patiently wait.

Thank you in advance for riding all these sweet bikes we can't demo here in the states, and letting us know which one we should spend our money on Smile .
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 @mikekazimer:

I'll have to try extra hard to keep up with you now when you roll past me up towers to see if you're riding this.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: when can we expect the pinkbike review? Waiting with baited breath...
  • 4 2
 I love that companies are starting to spec Michelins on their bikes, they're fantastic tires and the value for money destroys any Maxxis tire
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 Are we still pretending there’s actual real alternatives to Maxxis high end tyres?
  • 3 1
 Butch looking bike. Me want. Seems they may beat yt at their own game here. Trunion is the new inline. Makes room for a bottle...
  • 1 0
 So why does the USA have so few direct brands? Seems like the other side of the pond has far more quality affordable bikes (Nukeproof, Vitus, Canyon, Bird, Privateer, the list goes on...)
  • 1 0
 I live in Denver, just got a Nukeproof Reactor, no customs fees.
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 @bman33: yeah, I have a Nukeproof Mega, I'm just curious why there are so few USA-based direct companies.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: What do we have? YT, Canyon, Evil, Intense, Guerrilla Gravity, Propain...who am I missing?
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 @slovenian6474: US-based. Guerrilla Gravity and Fezzari come to mind.
  • 3 0
 Threaded BB. Insane components. Proper geo and its 3.3K ????????? I'm getting one for sure
  • 1 0
 @privateerbikes how can this be so expensive in £ when the headline figure is $3,075 USD and the rate's about 1.25 even at the moment? And it's developed in the UK??

Not that it's exactly expensive of course...
  • 1 0
 Wait, the specs say one-up dropper v2 180mm. There is no way that is on all the sizes. Probably just a mistake, didn't need the dropper length. Unless I'm the idiot.
  • 3 0
 One up droppers can be adjusted to be shorter!
  • 1 0
 @wmoody54: you can't adjust the insertion length. That's the issue with the smaller frames. 180mm post may bottom out and stick out the frame several inches - potentially, anyway. Most people want to slam the post down to or close to the collar.
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: True. Didn't think about that. It could be an issue with the already really short seat tube length. Not really an issue for me riding XL bikes, but on smaller sizes, at least a dropper is easy to swap out if needed.
  • 2 0
 @wmoody54: maybe they have ultra deep insertion on every size. If not, I imagine they are probably specing with lower that 180 for the small. Having to swap the post adds to the expense which seems to go against the whole company philosophy.
  • 3 0
 Looks sick...too many bikes these days.
  • 3 0
 Amazingly priced complete bike
  • 3 0
 love the pricing, however baffled at 3075 USD vs 3399 euro
  • 4 0
 that would probably be the 5% import tax, roughly 20% VAT and 1 extra year of warranty
  • 5 0
 EU with vat, US price without VAT
  • 3 0
 @angel13 The EU pricing is with VAT, whereas the USD is listed without as they have a different applicable tax.

Hope that helps clear things up.
  • 3 0
 Good looking bike ! I love the geometry
  • 1 0
 It was this or a Stumpjumper evo. I went with the stumpy evo due to the fact that I can have it now and ride the whole year. But for sure next year!
  • 5 1
 Looks like a norco sight
  • 6 0
 @theredbike Thanks! Going to take that as a compliment, @norcobicycles make some awesome bikes!
  • 4 0
 @PrivateerBikes: It looks rad dude! raw is nice
  • 1 0
 I see it more as my ex 2011 Remedy 8 (especially the downtube), but with a corrected geometry, which it was suffering with or, better say, I was.
  • 3 0
 Mic Drop - back to you bike industry. I'm Ron Burgundy?
  • 2 0
 They should give a discount for the pain they inflict on us by posting an edit on Pleney. Like 100%, roughly speeking.
  • 3 0
 My next frame set or even complete bike!!!
  • 1 0
 I like everything about this bike except the sizing. Far too long for my 165cm statue and I'm not willing to race on 27.5 wheels again.
  • 1 0
 The value here is amazing. Is this what happens when direct-to-consumer bike companies decide to merely survive on bike-shop margins above their landed cost price?
  • 1 0
 This is more of what the bike industry needs! cant wait to get my hands on one, just gutted the frames are sold out til september.
  • 1 0
 @PrivateerBikes , would a coil work for this bike? I’m not a suspension nerd, so does a regressive leverage ratio make it unsuitable for coil shocks?
  • 2 0
 The leverage ratio on this one is progressive actually, around 20%. Talking simplier, it is just in the sweet spot to works fine with both types, air or coil.
  • 1 0
 @skalatskiy: Oh thats great news. I thought the downwards curve meant regressive ratio for the bike.
  • 3 0
 @BillyBoy0519: Your assumption makes sense, but remember: this is the bike industry and nothing makes sense! (Joking ... sort of.)

Unfortunately, the mountain bike world uses "leverage ratio" instead of "motion ratio", which are just the inverse of each other. Motion ratio is more common in motorsports and is more intuitive, with an upward trend indicating a rising level of support. Until the glorious day when we switch to motion ratio, we have to remember that down equals up!
  • 1 0
 Would love a P5 size at 6'6". Right now options are so limited to Pole and Geometron. The Privateer would be the instant go to!
  • 2 0
 When the Grim Donut video takes so long to release that someone else brings it to market! Mine's on order.
  • 1 0
 Wow looks amazing..... think you can keep up with demand? I’d love to test ride one..... Dorset/ hants border!? Any local dealers?
  • 1 0
 I should have waited another 2 weeks before I ordered my Spectral........but price will probably be up around 6k here in Oz.......
  • 1 0
 I had a 2019 Spectral and now I own this one: they are two very different beasts.

This one asks for a really demanding terrain and the Spectral was a more all-rounder which did not like too much really rough terrains.

It all depends fo what kind of use you expect from them.
  • 1 0
 @privateerbikes Really like it, but 29er only would be a deal killer for me (in medium). If you made a mulletable one I’d be interested when I need to get a new frame.

JP
  • 1 0
 My Custom build P3 weight was 15,6kg.

That just mind blowing bike. I pulled trigger on March and got it week ago. I didnt like 29" wheelers before this...
  • 1 0
 It's a very very nice looking bike I have to admit. Yes it's still expensive in my book, but I appreciate its good value among the competition
  • 2 0
 Very cool bike, and amazing prices
  • 2 0
 I need a size P5 ... being 6'8'' tall sucks.
  • 1 0
 just curious, since i don't see it mentioned anywhere in this article - does this bike have 161mm of rear wheel travel?
  • 4 0
 Does a bear shit in the woods
  • 3 0
 I already have mine!
  • 3 0
 @skalatskiy Thanks for the support!
  • 1 2
 80’ seat tube angle. Guess not going to bring up the dropper pedaling down fire roads if those happen to be in the stage. Gonna fall right over the bars if you try.

Guess nothings perfect (but dang this is close)
  • 2 0
 buy this bike and beat everyone on strava!!!!
  • 2 1
 Everything is amazing. Only two gripes, no larger 27.5 options, and that seat tube gusset is not turning my crank Wink
  • 3 0
 @DGWW Thanks, always appreciate feedback direct from riders as it's the best way to improve. Will keep this all in mind as we move forward
  • 2 0
 Nothing like the looks of a raw aluminium bike...
  • 1 0
 Why couldn't this have come 2 months ago while I was in the market for a bike :'(
  • 1 0
 I like how the frame looks! It's like a mix of a Trek slash and a commençal ????????
  • 2 0
 Weight on complete build?
  • 1 0
 can someone who is an engineer explain to me when a pressfit BB is the logical choice?
  • 1 0
 Ask the bean counter.
  • 2 1
 When you want to produce frames for less and don't give a rat's ass about the customer.
  • 2 1
 I'm not an engineer, but pressfit does allow for a lighter, stiffer frame, especially in carbon because you don't need an aluminum insert. It just has a bad reputation because so many bike companies choose bad bb sizes which don't allow proper bearing sizes and have shitty tolerances. If they solved these problems no one would complain about pressfit. Since that probably isn't going to happen we'll just have to be happy with good old threaded.
  • 1 0
 @hmstuna: 0.1% lighter 0.1% stiffer and 1% cheaper.
  • 2 0
 Finally some sense in this business!
  • 2 0
 Does the P4 fit a OneUp 210mm dropper?
  • 3 0
 Yeah. I've got one fitted to mine and it sticks out the frame about 75mm still.
  • 1 0
 Great Deal!
Did anyone pony $ up now knowing it wont come til sept sometime???
  • 2 0
 Any plans to make 650b / mullet versions in larger sizes?
  • 2 0
 Shut up and take my money!
  • 2 0
 That’s an insane spec for $3k. Wow.
  • 1 0
 Mike! Other Mike! We need a shootout between this and the calibre sentry!!! Please dont let us down!!
  • 1 0
 Looks great, and great value to boot. Hope to see some of these in Australia.
  • 1 0
 I’m so glad they state the wheelbase to 2 decimal places. Sorry, it’s just about 0.03mm too long for me.,
  • 2 0
 Interesting....
  • 2 0
 Let the war begin!
  • 2 0
 Awesome looking machine.
  • 1 0
 Way more expensive in Europe Frown
  • 4 0
 US prices are usually stated without VAT.
  • 2 0
 @embi The EU pricing is with VAT, whereas the USD is listed without as they have a different applicable tax.

Hope that helps clear things up.
  • 1 0
 Wait, so 27.5" wheels are not compatible with P2, P3, P4 ?
  • 3 0
 Doesn't look like it. I'd be tempted by a P2 if it ran 27.5 wheels.
  • 1 0
 @Davec85: me too I would swap my Capra frame next year if it was compatible!
  • 1 0
 @demo7jumper: I might go for the P1 size. I'm happy on M sized Capra now and P1's reach is just in the middle between Capra's M and L.
  • 1 0
 @paja-tousek: yeah but according to their sizing chart I should be on the P2 or P3 sizes
  • 3 1
 Looks like a gambler
  • 1 0
 Damn that's a good looking bike, price, build spec.
  • 1 0
 Looks rad for a race rig. Hope they do a 275 flickable fun machine next
  • 1 0
 Man I wish I had the terrain for this... Looks ace.
  • 1 0
 totally digging it. the only carbon i run is handlebar!
  • 1 0
 Curious if dual crown use approved?
  • 1 0
 Wow that's awesome! Love it!
  • 2 0
 Where is Adam ?
  • 1 0
 This is great guys, keep it up for all of our sakes!
  • 1 0
 Curious what that build weighs in at. 35 / 36 lbs?
  • 2 0
 My P4 custom build weighs 16.3Kg (35.94 lbs) including pedals.
  • 1 0
 @DonnySoldier: Thanks for the intel!
  • 1 0
 I have to say it....looks like a kickass bike
  • 1 0
 What about a Privateer 241? Now that would be a real deal!
  • 1 0
 Wow great value right here just wow
  • 1 0
 What are the P sizes supposed to be in small to large sizes?
  • 1 0
 They're going to sell so many of these
  • 1 3
 I like the idea, but ENDURO magazin wasn't that convinced by the Privateer's build quality. And the frame is indeed quite cheap once you factor in the RS SuperDeluxe rear shock. They must have cut corners somewhere.
  • 1 0
 was that nicolas cage riding?
  • 1 0
 Would be nice if they put the size with the photos on the article
  • 2 2
 80 degrees seems like it maybe TOO STEEP
  • 1 0
 Get my money!!!
  • 1 0
 Very nice machine.
  • 1 0
 *Launches
  • 2 1
 Looooks like a Session!
  • 1 2
 According to x-rates.com, $3,075USD is 2,808EUR.
  • 5 0
 @zoobab2 The EU pricing is with VAT, whereas the USD is listed without as they have a different applicable tax.
  • 1 0
 @PrivateerBikes: Thanks, we need more alloy enduro bikes! Thanks for making one!
  • 1 2
 Are we sure the dollar pricing is correct?
€3399 = $3720
  • 2 0
 @ThinkTank45 The EU pricing is with VAT, whereas the USD is listed without as they have a different applicable tax.
  • 5 6
 Looks like a Madonna.
  • 4 0
 Except cheaper and probably lighter too. Privateer claims frame weight at 6.6lbs without shock, which would put it at 7ish lbs with shock. The Madonna is over 8lbs!
  • 1 0
 @PHeller: No, the actual frame is not any lighter than a Madonna!
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: the weight is not correct on the privateer website, I have a p3 and it's the same or even a touch heavier than the Madonna
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: Check the 161 thread in the forums. Folks are finally getting frames and can weigh them. The stated weight may have been optimistic; maybe it was before the change to the seat-tube.
  • 5 0
 @PHeller: on the plus side it feels as sturdy as a battle tank.
  • 15 0
 @PHeller, I just received a 161 for review, size P3. Frame weight is 9.8 pounds with shock.
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: When can we expect a first ride report or full review? Super interested to hear your thoughts on it! Got my preorder coming in a month or so.
  • 1 1
 @PHeller: yup... decrease weight and durability. the mantra of mtb since day one pretty much.
  • 3 0
 @emarquar: enduromag already did a test. They did have a pre production model tho
  • 3 1
 @drjohn: Thanks,I did see that! Wouldn't have preordered a new bike without at least one review. Just curious to hear Mike's thoughts. I don't read enduromag reviews that often so I don't have a feeling for their perspectives like I do with the Pinkbike reviews.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: holy heavy shitballs. I stand corrected.
  • 5 0
 I was seriously looking at the Raaw Madonna but its price is prohibitive.
This Privateer is a seductive bike... and 1700€ for a frameset is ultra honest.
The numbers are perfect, it seems solid, reliable, raw aluminium is sober and sexy, and it has a threaded bottom bracket, not a press-shit as Commençal`s bikes....

Serious pretender to probably replace my good old Slayer 2009 that I didn`t succeed to break yet Smile
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: I build mine a few days ago. it's heavy
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: cant wait to see the review
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: my custom build P4 weighs 16.3kg (35.94 lbs) including pedals
  • 1 0
 @DonnySoldier: well mine is a taad heavier...
  • 1 4
 Seriously, this is a waste of resources, the new standards are ebikes

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