First Ride: 2023 Santa Cruz Nomad - Now With Mixed Wheels

Aug 1, 2022 at 12:49
by Mike Kazimer  
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Santa Cruz has been on a roll this year, updating their catalog with geometry changes and in-frame storage compartments for model after model. Next up is the venerable Nomad, the long-travel machine that's been a mainstay in the lineup since its introduction all the way back in 2005.

Version 6.0 of the Nomad keeps its 170mm of front and rear travel, but it's now running mixed wheel sizes, with a 29” wheel up front and 27.5” in the back. Along with the bigger front wheel, the new Nomad's geometry has been made a touch slacker and longer, although the changes aren't too wild. Once again, it's more about refinements rather than drastic revisions.
Nomad 6 Details

• Wheel size: 29" front / 27.5" rear
• Travel: 170mm
• C & CC carbon frames
• 63.5º head angle (low)
• 77.6º seat tube angle (size L, low)
• 444mm chainstays (size L, low)
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL, XXL
• Weight: 33.5 lb / 15.2 kg (size L, X01 AXS RSV)
• Price: $5,649 - $11,199 USD
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There's also a Glovebox for stashing tools and tubes inside the frame, and tweaks to the bike's kinematics designed to increase the suspension's sensitivity and consistency.

There are 10 different build options, with prices ranging from $5,649 for the R kit all the way up to 11,109 USD for the XO1 Reserve build.



Frame Details

The Nomad's frame has all of the accoutrements that Santa Cruz has become known for. A threaded bottom bracket, tube-in-tube internal cable routing, chainslap protection in the right places, room for a full size water bottle, a universal derailleur hanger, grease ports for the lower link bearings –there really isn't anything missing.

There's that Glovebox too, which has a small latch that allows access to the inside of the downtube. A neoprene tool wallet and tube purse are also included to help with organization and keep things from rattling around inside the frame.

There are two frame color options, Gloss Gypsum, which is sort of a white / purple / grey depending on the lighting, and matte black. The frame uses a 230 x 65mm shock, and is compatible with air or coil options.





Geometry

Compared to the previous generation, the Nomad's head angle has been slackened by a scant .2-degrees, and the reach numbers remain the same, although keep in mind that it does have a 29” front wheel now. The 472mm reach of a size large is a little shorter than the 480 / 485mm number that multiple other companies have settled on, but that's not necessarily a negative. Remember, there's more to how a bike rides than one or two numbers on a chart.

There's also a new XXL option in the mix with a 520mm reach for all the taller riders out there.

The most substantial geometry change occurs at the chainstays – the length has been increased by around 8mm depending on the size. This was done to improve the fore / aft balance of the bike, especially since it now has mixed wheels. The chainstay lengths grow as the frame size gets larger, starting at 439mm for the small and going all the way up to 450mm for the XXL.


Suspension Layout

Not surprisingly, the Nomad retains its familiar lower-link driven VPP suspension layout. The Nomad's initial leverage ratio has been decreased, and it's actually slightly less progressive than before. It's still coil shock compatible, but the changes should help make for more consistent performance throughout the entire travel range.

The anti-squat has also been decreased, which Santa Cruz says was done to reduce suspension harshness and to improve climbing traction.




Prices

R-Kit $5,649
S-Kit $6,799
GX AXS-Kit $8,499
GX AXS-Kit Reserve $9,799
X01-Kit (CC) $9,299
X01 AXS-Kit Reserve $11,199


Spec Check

There's no getting around the fact that Santa Cruz's prices are on the higher end of the spectrum – this is not the place to look if you're trying to stretch your dollars as far as possible. That said, the parts in the various build kits are well selected, and if a bike has a GX drivetrain it has a full GX drivetrain, not just a derailleur to make it seem that way. All of the bikes have some version of SRAM's Code brakes with 200mm rotors front and rear, and all models get bash guards as well.

Interestingly, the build kits with coil shocks get Maxxis' DoubleDown casing tires, and the ones with air shocks get EXO+. Maybe coil users are more likely to make poor line choices?

My only real gripe with the kits is the 175mm hydraulic Reverb on the size large frames. I moaned a little bit about this when the new Hightower came out, but in this case it's even more relevant. The Nomad is essentially a pedalable DH bike – I want the seat as far out of the way as possible in the steeps, and I know I'm not the only one. There are also plenty of less expensive cable-actuated posts on the market that work just as well (or better) than the Reverb and have adjustable travel to boot.



Ride Impressions

The previous version of the Nomad was a fun-loving, relatively mild-mannered machine, a long travel, do-everything bike that didn't seem to mind if the terrain wasn't always super steep and rough. The new version still maintains most of those easygoing traits, but the revisions it's received, including that 29” front wheel, take its capabilities to the next level.

Considering how similar the Nomad's geometry numbers are to the Megatower, I wasn't sure how much difference there would be between the two out on the trail. They even share the same front triangle, so it really comes down to the Nomad's smaller rear wheel and slightly differerent kinematics. As it turns out, all of the subtle alterations add up to something much more substantial.

In all honesty, the newest Megatower hasn't really blown me away, and I've put in a significant amount of ride time on it this season. It's what I'd consider a Very Good bike, but it doesn't have the little extra bit of special sauce to push it into the Great category. That hasn't been the case with the new Nomad – after a handful of rides it's currently making its way towards the top of my list of favorite bikes this year.

What's so special about it? For me, it's the way the suspension allows for heels-down plowing while also maintaining enough support for pedaling or pumping through flatter sections of trail. With the Float X2 there haven't been any harsh bottom outs, and I've sent this thing extra-deep on more than one occasion, mainly because it seems like that's the way it wants to be ridden. I try not to use the phrase 'confidence inspiring' more than once or twice a year since it's become such a cliche, but in this case it's an appropriate one. The Nomad has plenty of travel for dealing with big hits and rugged terrain, with an extra dash of speed that makes it a highly addictive bike to ride.

The Nomad's suspension does feel a little softer off the top than the Megatower, which meant I was more likely to reach for the climb switch on smoother climbs, but it remains calm enough while pedaling that leaving it open all the time is totally feasible.

While the Nomad's reach numbers may be on the slightly shorter side of the modern spectrum, that's balanced out by the slack head angle and the moderately long chainstays that provide plenty of stability at higher speeds. Lately, my preference for a mixed-wheel configuration on longer travel bikes has been growing, and that continues with the Nomad. Along with creating more rubber-to-rear-end clearance, it feels easier to pick up and place the rear wheel, especially in the steeps.

I am curious about how the Nomad will hold up over a longer term test period – considering that sky-high price tag you'd hope that it would be absolutely flawless. There are a bunch more hard miles in this bike's future, including a couple of big enduro races and lots of bike park laps – I'll report back with a final verdict and comparisons to other bikes in this category once it's truly been through the wringer.





426 Comments

  • 213 49
 The last of the 27.5 enduro, it’s a sad day today…
  • 166 7
 put a 10mm spacer under the headtube (yes, this is a thing), raise fork travel 10mm, put 27.5 front wheel. you are welcome.
  • 53 6
 Evil insurgent is still out there 27/27
  • 81 7
 @Lagr1980: But then they don't have anything to complain about.
  • 70 0
 Why not just develop at MX-link for the Megatower? Seems a lot cheeper.. Razz
  • 31 74
flag Danzzz88 (Aug 2, 2022 at 2:05) (Below Threshold)
 This!!! I love my 27.5 bike...but just end it already we know it's coming so get it done quick, we know they are going to phase them out completely eventually. What is stupid though is why don't they get someone in the mid to high 5 foot range might not want to be on the same wheels as someone 6 foot 5? And on top of that aren't enduro bikes supposed to be downhill bikes you can pedal to the top, not long legged trail bikes? The last time I looked the EWS uphill sections are not timed..only the downhills.. and in general the smaller wheels are better downhill...hence why a lot of DH bike guys went back to 27.5...when you have the long travel the smaller wheels help you keep some agility and create a stronger wheel. It's like they are designing these bikes either around giants or people that take their 180mm travel bike on regular trails that just want rollover and use 130mm of travel on most rides. I say again the last time I checked enduro uphill stages aren't timed and in general 27.5 is better downhill. Leave the 29ers for the tall folk and have 27.5 for everyone of average height....I notice the reduced agility enough just running inserts or dh casing tyres on 27.5 at around average height... I don't want wagon wheels to make things even worse.
  • 83 10
 @Danzzz88: A full 27.5 bike hasnt won a wc dh race in a loooong time now...
  • 18 79
flag Danzzz88 (Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21) (Below Threshold)
 @gabriel-mission9: that's cos most of the field is on 29 so the odds aren't in it's favour...the rider wins not the bike. Put half the field on 27.5 and the other on 29 or put the top riders on 27.5 and it would be a different story. If you put 18 guys in a Honda F1 and 4 in a Ferrari F1 guess which manufacturer is most likely to win....especially if the top riders are put on 29.
  • 76 4
 And why do you think most of the field is on 29" front wheels, if 27.5 is better?
  • 15 43
flag Danzzz88 (Aug 2, 2022 at 2:25) (Below Threshold)
 @gabriel-mission9: he'll when the Specialized Enduro came out Kaz posted his fastest time on the sb165...but it was barely mentioned...the Enduro 29 ofc had to be the best....
  • 31 4
 @eric-w: well, this is a new/different bike in the same way a Giga 297 is a new/different bike to the Giga 290.
A bike, at its core, is represented by its front triangle. If the front triangle is the same one from Megatower, why they just didn't called it Megatower Mx and called it a day?, why the mockery to the Nomad name?
  • 20 1
 @Danzzz88: I can see why even taller rides may want a full 275 - if you aren't racing pick which ever you enjoy the most. At least you can run a mullet as a full 275 (as noted above) - it's a lot harder with a full 29.
  • 86 0
 @Danzzz88: Even with 18 Ferraris on the grid they'd find a way to f*ck the strategy up
  • 2 1
 @Lagr1980: is the wolftooth tooth lower headset extender the only option out there to bump up the front end by 10mm, or are there alternatives?
  • 5 3
 @NicolaZesty314: Evil Hypetrain choooochoooo
  • 1 1
 @Lagr1980: exactly my thoughts
  • 8 1
 @Danzzz88: You make rider height a point but isn't it the backwheel causing smaller riders problems? Isn't that the perfect argument for making the nomad MX in its newest iterations. Also, if they would all transition to every new trend immediately, how can they sell you the next better bike every 2 years?
  • 2 1
 @IMeasureStuff: yes, the WT is a full lower cup with extension, there are alternatives that sit between the crown race and the headset.. sorry Im not sure on the brands who offer these..but these exist
EDIT: www.bike24.com/p2332941.html?utm_source=parcellab&utm_medium=email&utm_content=any&utm_campaign=any&utm_term=any
  • 6 1
 @IMeasureStuff: Reverse components has a 10mm crown race marketed with delightful artistic freedom as a "0.5° angle spacer."
  • 2 1
 @crashtor:

at this point, they could start making race strategies with guy who brings the water to the team members and/or the cleaning ladies.
  • 2 4
 @Lagr1980: Assuming you're talking about an offset headset bearing that cane creek or chris king make? Spacer just creates problems.
  • 15 7
 @NicolaZesty314: is Evil Bikes still in business???
  • 3 1
 @Lagr1980: or just run a longer fork... its even easier. the problem is solved in an easier way.
  • 13 8
 Is it sad? Have you tried a mixed wheel bike?
  • 2 0
 @NicolaZesty314: Orange too, they have a selection 27.5s
  • 3 7
flag Durtwrx (Aug 2, 2022 at 5:52) (Below Threshold)
 Who cares@gabriel-mission9:
  • 4 1
 @misteraustin: I have a 2007 Trek 69er. Its very band-wagony.
  • 6 0
 @crashtor: I was just starting to get over mclaren shoving a set of a hards on Ricciardo and killing his points finish ahead of alpine and you had to go bring it all back up.
  • 4 0
 @Lagr1980: or run a 190 Zeb. I’ve seen new 27.5 Zeb Ultimates going for around $650 online (last gen but still an amazing fork) 27.5 front wheel stuff is so cheap because of the mullet stuff how could you possibly complain?!
  • 8 0
 Yeti SB165!
  • 2 1
 @gravitybass: eh not sure if you want to keep geo more or less. 27.5 fork will have way smaller A2C than 29er form with same travel, not sure 20mm will end up compensating for the 27.5 wheel....keep 29er fork ...
  • 4 1
 I don't get it either....and I ride 29ers.
  • 3 0
 @eric-w: That's basically what this is, just from the factory with a different name. Not sure if it's a different link or rear triangle, but since they state it's the same front triangle, it has to be one or both of the two.

Cheaper for SC, lol well you know the end story if you know SC's these days, and saw the price tag for us...
  • 9 12
 I personally don't see any advantages to having a 26 or 27.5 wheel up front. Don't get me wrong, 26er and 27.5ers are still fun to ride, but 29 up front is better in every metric except climbing, but this bike was not made to climb. The 27.5 as a rear wheel is definitely better for shorter riders like myself.
  • 3 0
 @eric-w: Tune in for your 2024 MegaMad! Builds starting at whatever the limit of your credit card is!
  • 2 1
 100000% agree. Sad to see SC do that
  • 1 9
flag nickfranko (Aug 2, 2022 at 9:06) (Below Threshold)
 It's Ripoff Cruz, are we really that sad?
  • 3 5
 @tacklingdummy: If you run matching tyres you can cycle the front tyre to rear once it wears out and just replace the front. It's also handy only having to carry one emergency inner tube if tubeless wont seal with sealant or plugs.

It's personal choice at the end of the day a mixed wheel bike or a full 29r might be slightly faster but i cant help but feel i have to ride faster with a higher level of shit hitting the fan if things go wrong for the same level of excitement.
  • 1 0
 @Lagr1980: should come with the kit
  • 17 1
 @McMeta666: being able to swap tyres front to back isn't much of a benefit. You're still buying a tyre. I haven't run matching tyres for years.

You can still carry 1 tube. I've used 29er tubes in 27.5 and vice-versa. It works fine.
  • 4 0
 @unrooted: they are and they're making some crazy bikes lately believe it or not, plus, top notch service!
  • 17 0
 Banshee still make the Rune and its a nearly faultless 27.5" enduro bike. Essentially an Ironhorse Sunday that pedals great. It was long/low/slack before the SC boys even knew what that was. Plus it comes in alloy, so everyone complaining about prices will be happy.
  • 6 0
 Mach 6
  • 12 4
 @gabriel-mission9: As if we all race WC DH ... pretty funny comment.
  • 3 0
 Guerilla Gravity Megatrail, less expensive, adjustable geo, built domestically.
  • 1 0
 Woulda been a shame to blow it up.
  • 4 0
 Buy a second hand frame
  • 8 6
 @Danzzz88: I’m 6 foot 3 and I don’t want 29 inch wheels. I don’t race so why would I want a bike that’s faster but feels slow? CBA with modern mountain bikes, I’d rather cruise around the bowl on my 20 inch bmx.
  • 2 0
 @Lagr1980: I read this comment and in my head I thought this bike was full 29" and I was gasping for air at how stupid/funny it was.

Guess I'm the stupid one lol.
  • 1 0
 @NorthEasternDownhiller: not many 190mm forks out there
  • 14 2
 @gabriel-mission9: How many people race WC DH again? like 200? Who cares what WC is doing, what is more fun to ride?
  • 6 0
 @hypermoto: totally agree i have rune, awesome bike love it
  • 4 6
 @gabriel-mission9: so they can get a fraction of a second faster times. The vast majority of people wont see any benefit from running wagon wheels.
  • 3 0
 @AndrewHornor: i bought one of those for both of my bikes, and was very disappointed. not sure if the tolerances were slightly off or something, but both of them caused play in the headset, like even when it was properly preloaded, there was a clunking wobble with impacts. One was for tapered and the other straight, one headset used internal cartridge bearings and the other had external cups with loose bearings. I was really bummed, it seems like such a simple thing to solve a common problem, but they just didnt work for me.
  • 2 0
 @unrooted: beating the heck out of my Evil Following and Insurgent at the bike park for 3 years and they’re still going strong. Absolutely love both bikes
  • 6 3
 @inshane-himself: Absolutely disagree. 29ers get you out of trouble so much better than 27.5. The lower rolling resistance and lower attack angle are also much more beneficial for us casuals.
  • 1 0
 @Torbo24: that's good to know, thanks for sharing your experience!
  • 1 1
 @IMeasureStuff: cane Creek Anglesey would achieve the same and then allow.you to play with +/- head angles
  • 11 24
flag thenotoriousmic (Aug 2, 2022 at 14:54) (Below Threshold)
 @poozank: Exactly. Everything in mountain biking is about speed and going the fastest while 99.9% of everyone who ever picks up a mountain bike will never enter a race and even if you did there little competitive element to mountain biking, tiny small regional races or full on world cups and not much in between and that’s what’s landed us where we are now where everyone’s riding dull as dishwater but descriptively fast massively bikes that aren’t fun to ride that will never see a stop watch. I’ll be doing laps of the bowl until they make mountain biking fun again.
  • 47 1
 @thenotoriousmic, I dunno, last time I checked mountain biking was still really, really fun, no matter what bike you're on.
  • 27 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Man if MTB isn't fun for you, it's certainly not the bikes fault! I guess it depends on what you consider fun, but I'm on a modern long, slack 29er beast and I'm having more fun than ever. It's like they finally started making bikes that fit my body and my riding style. Basically a DH bike that I can pedal to the top. "Dull as a dishwasher" is the last way I would describe my experience. I do concede that everyone is different, with different intentions, styles, trails, and bodies. Good thing there are plenty of options out there. I don't know why everyone is so threatened by these bikes. There are plenty of shorter travel, steeper-angled bikes out there if that's what you're anxious to ride.
  • 1 0
 @Lagr1980: why not just raise fork travel by 20mm?
  • 2 0
 @greener1: Rockshox Zeb, Intend Bandit, MRP Bartlett, and almost all dual crown forks can be run at 190mm (although with the dual crown you will want to slightly increase travel to preserve geometry).
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: That's what I'm saying. My super slack 27.5 bike is loads of fun. I ride a 2000 trek fuel sometimes for shits and giggles and its pretty fun. I haven't ridden a 29er but I am guessing they are probably pretty fun also lol.
  • 6 11
flag Danzzz88 (Aug 2, 2022 at 16:00) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: and this is the thing...they are faster to the degree that sometimes people can't even tell the difference in times runs...again I reiterate Kaz got his fastest time on the sb165 back when every 29er fanboys favourite Specialized Enduro released...so clearly they aren't significantly faster if slight deviation in riding conditions or fitness can sway the lead to 27.5. Like what was he gaining from the enduro over the sb165...he got a slower time, on a bike that is less agile, heavier, has worse pedal kinematics, probably worse small bump compliance, arguably is less fun, cracked frames left right and centre...and in the end it takes top spot all because it is slightly more stable through a bit of chunk. The industry pushing 29 as superior and only providing 29 or mullet is the reason why everyone has now jumped on the bandwagon and they are winning races...have a 50/50 split of both wheel sizes and stop pushing the agenda of 29 is better and you will see that a lot more folk would want a 27.5 than you would think and win races too. Most races of any discipline are won in the corners...not by gaining a fraction of a percent in rollover through some rocks. I'd argue most would benefit more from knowing how to setup suspension and custom tunes and dampers than having 29 wheels. I'd argue also my 27.5 with fast sc4 damper, smashpot and push 11.6 would handle chunk better than the majority of these 12000 dollar 29 'superbikes' running stock suspension in most cases with absolutely atrocious factory tunes and it cost me 4000 grand less than that to build out of parts. 12000k for bikes and it comes with a crappy float X2 and wheelset probably approaching 2kg...but the sheep will buy it because it's the latest and 'greatest'. The only 29 that would interest me right now is the Norco Range...and that isn't because it's a 29er...
  • 4 1
 @mikekazimer: riding around single blacks in Whistler my 5010 is more fun than my Patrol. On the blues the Patrol isnt no fun, but it's even more pronounced. The bike can make a massive difference.
  • 3 3
 @Danzzz88: Completely agree - a super dialed-in suspension goes a long way to closing the smoothness gap between 27.5 and 29 up front, both climbing and decending. This is 100% true. If it's not clearly shown in the time, it will be clear in the amount of physical exertion (ie, similar time but less tired with better suspension). Tire width and pressure is huge as well. I love running 2.6s, they seem to be a touch larger diameter than the same tire in a narrower width, but not too much bigger that you lose any of the goodness from 27.5.
  • 3 0
 Guerrilla Gravity Megatrail. You're welcome.
  • 1 0
 Other than price I want one…
  • 3 0
 @wburnes: Except SC don't allow you to run dual crown fork on their enduro bikes anymore...
  • 6 8
 @BiNARYBiKE: It definitely is the bikes fault. You shouldn’t be having more fun on BMX that cost less than my suspension forks. I mean that bike is as fun as shit. And you’re right it does matter what trails you ride and since everything I ride is steep and twisty and I don’t race, I have absolutely no reason to ever want a big numb 29’er. Just think they should prioritise the fun and chill on the fast unless it complements the fun. A gangly 29’er is pretty useless if you’re just riding for fun. Like what’s the point in a bike that feels sluggish, isn’t as fun to ride but it’s faster when you’re not racing?
  • 2 1
 Just wait, someday it won't be shorter travel and XC tires being touted as ways to "make easy trails more exciting", it'll be smaller wheels.
  • 3 6
 @Danzzz88: that’s the thing. Unless I’m watching a World Cup I don’t care who or what’s the fastest. I ride my hard tail most of the time because it’s more exciting and harder to ride. I don’t get why Santa Cruz only make the 5010 and 5 slightly different variations of the Hightower. Proper boring.
  • 5 1
 @tacklingdummy:

26” and 27.5” will always turn better, lift ( wheelie) easier and weigh less…
  • 5 2
 @thisc*nt: It's a bit of a benefit to swap worn front tires to the rear. Let's say rear tires last half as long as front tires, whether they're new or being swapped from the front. If you were to buy 9 sets of tires (18 tires total @ $100 each), you're looking at a cost of $1800 and quite a bit of waste. After all, who is running their front tires until they're nearly bald?

If you were to swap worn front tires to the rear, you would have purchased 13 tires and saved $500 over that same time period. Saving ~28% on tires seems well worth my time, and I'd argue it's more fun to ride a partially worn rear tire. #TheyDidTheMath
  • 2 0
 @NWBasser: ibis mojo hd5
  • 1 1
 @gabriel-mission9: because they ride what they paid to ride maybe...... its how sponsorship works
  • 3 3
 @naptime: Lol. Have you ever actually looked at a pros bike. They generally have no issue riding whatever product they like. Blacked out logos are a common sight in the race pits. Riders will ride what their sponsors give them IF it doesn't cause them to ride slower. The reason the entire field is on 29" front wheels is because they are faster.
And fast = fun in my head. I will never understand all you guys who say they have more fun going slower. I own a bmx (2 in fact) and a trials bike for slow paced fun. The mtb is for going as fast as i can. (which to clarify, isn't all that fast, but its still funner than going slower)
  • 2 2
 @gabriel-mission9: good for you
  • 3 3
 @gabriel-mission9: you say faster is fun...but...we are talking maybe a second or 2 over a distance maybe a few minutes long...there is no way you feel way more exhilaration going 0.5mph faster through some chunky section and yet you are going noticeably slower through the corners.
But it isn't about faster...the difference is small, what is noticeable is how much of a pig they feel to ride...hell even a 27.5 feels like a total pig compared to 26 but it's a good middle ground wheel size that gets hung up less in potholes whilst maintaining some agility and poppiness. There was even a time when gmbn and few others were testing plus tyres and saying they were faster too...but they never took off. People say they are rubbish for racing on or not durable enough, yet gmbn was finding in some situations and so were some e bikers that actually the plus tyres can be faster. Most are on 29 because it's the new fad and mostly all you can by. If the industry decided in a few years 28.25 is the best everyone would be buzzing about that next. If you want fun on anything other than black trails go ride a 10kg hardtail...that is miles more fun and feels a lit faster even if it isn't than a 29 inch monster truck.
  • 5 1
 @Danzzz88: I too was concerned about the nimbleness of 29ers. I was a hardcore 26" holdout for a long time. But as geo progressed, it became more and more clear that the awful handling of early 29ers was due more to the terrible xc inspired geo of early 29ers than an inherant issue with the wheel size. Modern ones are vastly superior. Sure i can get my 26" through walking pace chicanes a touch faster, but at anything over jogging pace, the 29" really doesn't feel noticeably more cumbersome. It does feel noticeably faster pretty much everywhere though. With coils at both ends it's an absolute monstertruck over any brutal tech you want to put in front of it. On smaller wheels i just have to go slower on anything other than smooth bermy downs, or super techy climbs.
  • 1 2
 @Danzzz88: we’re in the 820mm wide bar era but just with frame geometry, won’t be long until we dial it back to a nice sensible 760mm.
  • 1 0
 @crashtor: I had to laugh so badly. Last weekend was a mess
  • 2 1
 @Lagr1980: a 29" 170 and a 190 27.5 fork have the exact same axle to crown measurement. With that said you would need a 19 mm spacer under the head tube not a 10 mil. Impossible to find such a thing believe me I've looked! It will not work to make a mullet bike a full 275 unfortunately
  • 2 0
 @nate35: I think 17mm is close enough with a bit of fine tuning with the flip-chip

global.pivotcycles.com/collections/part-1/products/17mm-lower-headset-cup
  • 1 0
 @Fullsend2-13: Oh yeah, that too!
  • 1 0
 @eric-w: not when they can sell Nomads and Megatowers to people who think they will be radically different bikes
  • 2 0
 @McMeta666: Yeah, that is good to be able to cycle tires, but it is not even in the ball park as a reason to choose a bike. Picking a bike is all about the absolute best ride for my local trails.
  • 3 0
 @tacklingdummy: right and who the f runs the same casing front and rear anyways....
  • 2 1
 @englertracing: My Assegai DH front and rear eventually became an Assegai DH rear and DHF DH front, and now it's a DHF DH rear and Assegai DH front. Next stop? Assegai DH front and rear. I don't see the problem, besides the fact 1500ft vert feels like 3000. EXO+ is a no-go, and DoubleDown is a negligible weight difference. What superior setup are you running?
  • 2 1
 @spankthewan: on the dh bike dh case assagai Front, dh case dhf rear used to do the front to rear move to keep a sharp tire up front. Would not run an assagai on rear (that tire is such a drag that i have succesfully experimented with cutting the center knobs to the sipes to make the tire as fast as a dhf) On 160/140mm trail bike exo or exo+ front, sometimes a dh case rear if I happen to have a spare from the dh bike but preferably a dd. The trail bike does 3000ft climbs 2x a week.... and it's geo and demeanor is not conductive to the front end plowing that a dh case would allow so I'd never want the penalty of one up there.
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: doesn’t fit. Nomad takes a 52mm lower cup size. That pivot 17mm cup only comes in 56mm. We’re back to being F’d again
  • 1 0
 @nate35: Oops, I should have known as my '22 Blur has the same size. I hate I.S. headsets. I wanted to slack it out a bit but the only angleset that fits is the 8point9 that also slackens the STA.
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: it's not going to slacken the STA when you're using it to make up fora shorter axle-to-crown for a 27.5 conversion. The SlackR only slackens STA because it raises the effective a2c, which is the whole point of needing that Pivot cup if it would fit.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: If you had read my comment it is obvious that I was referring to the Blur.
  • 1 0
 @Lagr1980: yup, I did exactly this to turn my new patrol into full 27.5. For anyone committed to the full 27.5 life, I must say it worked well. However, I went back to the mullet setup because the larger front wheel just eats bumps better. I Will always love the 27.5 rear wheel for cornering and steeps though. It’s just preference/ bike fit/ ride style, and I’m glad we have options for wheel size right now.
  • 1 0
 @greener1: I forgot to mention EXT makes a 190mm fork as well
  • 70 3
 Mike praises them for giving the GX build a full GX rather than just derailleur... but can we talk about the emerging trend of calling a bike "AXS" and then not speccing an AXS dropper?
  • 30 43
flag mininhi (Aug 2, 2022 at 1:03) (Below Threshold)
 seeng has how much of a garbage thr Reverb has and is, nobody wants it
  • 24 0
 @mininhi: I thought the AXS reverb was supposed to be one of the best, removes the hydraulic line, which is just troublesome, and has a bleed valve to release air trapped in the post.

If I was spending money on one it would be the Oneup or PNW though.
  • 34 8
 @melonhead1145: RockShox proving it only knows how to make dropper posts more complicated than they need to be. It's an office chair- I shouldn't need to bleed it or charge it, I would rather it just work.
  • 32 0
 I own an AXS dropper - since last october. Its been used on both bikes, probably 3+ rides a week, including through the british winter. Its far and away the best dropper in terms of thumb interface I've ever used, and is just as good as the day I bought it.
This coming from someone who swore off reverbs from the thumb plunger days.
  • 2 8
flag wobblegoblin (Aug 2, 2022 at 4:25) (Below Threshold)
 @melonhead1145: BrandX is the same but cheaper.
  • 4 0
 @unrooted: No travel adjust on the Brand-X
  • 4 0
 @melonhead1145: I forget about that feature…I’m 6’4” though…I do want to try the 1up 240mm.
  • 13 2
 @mininhi: awww someone hasn't actually used the AXS dropper is just speculating. how cute.
  • 12 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: Same. Zero issues with my AXS dropper. In the same amount of time I had three Fox transfers stop coming up all the way.
  • 8 2
 this GX bike is $8500... it better have AXS
  • 1 0
 @pisgahgnar: and I've had 2 and it's very frustrating.
  • 4 0
 when they make one longer than 175mm i'll buy one
  • 1 0
 @unrooted: As mentioned on other review sites regarding the 240mm dropper, gets harder to "get up" from the seat.
  • 1 0
 @REZEN: I could see that being an issue…I’m happy with my 200mm BrandX, hopefully it lasts a good while, and I can get parts if it fails.
  • 5 3
 @mininhi: tell us more about how upset you are that you can't afford an AXS Reverb.
  • 6 0
 The X01 AXS build has a GX AXS shifter, so like, this isn't even a true statement.
  • 1 0
 @HB208: lol what a rippoff
  • 9 8
 @HB208, ah, you're right. To be fair, the AXS shifters function identically - there's essentially no difference between the two.
  • 19 1
 @mikekazimer: If I am spending $11k on a bike they should just give me the shifter that comes with the groupset they are advertising.
  • 11 2
 @mikekazimer: The price difference is also only $50, so its literally Santa Cruz nickel and diming.
  • 18 13
 @HB208, to play devil's advocate, if you were the product manager why pay more for something that works exactly the same? It's different than a cable actuated shifter where there are differences between models, even if they're slight.

As hard as it is to believe looking at the price of this thing, at least part of that cost savings gets passed to the consumer.
  • 7 2
 @mikekazimer: I mean, when it costs them $20 more, yeah, just throw it in lol
  • 9 7
 @HB208: PB staff gotta defend their sponsors overcharging us bro, you ain't gonna get an agreement... can't bite the hand that pays 'em.
  • 8 0
 @badbadleroybrown: I think they need to actually call brands out for pricing bikes this high. Pon Holdings is clearly pushing prices to the breaking point.
  • 2 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: Same here. I have 2 of them and they have been mechanically, the best droppers I've ever owned.. and I've had em all!
  • 7 1
 @mikekazimer: On a bike priced like this, it's pretty hard to see any part of cost savings that are being passed to the consumer, lol we are talking about an $11,200 build...
  • 12 1
 @tgent, I'm not defending the price at all - these bikes are crazy expensive.
  • 7 3
 Also shame on PB for quoting the weight of the Air bike but showing us the Coil bike... that's some bait and switch! Smile
  • 6 0
 @stiingya, the air bike is the one I currently have in for testing, that's why it's the weight shown. The coil versions are likely 1.5 pounds or so more, due to the spring and the DD tires.
  • 1 0
 @mininhi: I have one and it's fantastic. They have upped their game for sure, my old reverbs were nothing but headaches
  • 8 15
flag thenotoriousmic (Aug 2, 2022 at 15:01) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: lol imagine living in a world where the cost savings get passed on to the consumer? You pay $8500 for an overpriced piece of shit bike made by old Chinese ladies on slave wages and you don’t even get the shifter you paid for and you get fobbed off with a GX shifter while Santa Cruz pockets the difference.
  • 3 1
 @melonhead1145: OneUp posts don’t last well and need re-lubing frequently. Other than that they are superb for minimal stack height and insert-ability.
  • 4 4
 @thenotoriousmic: this is the trouble with most brands...they put about an extra 500 quid worth of kit on it then charge a 2 grand premium...and the stupid thing is they are getting this 500quid worth kf kit that we would pay for even less as they buy in bulk at manufacturers rates...so for every 200 quid in upgrades it costs them they add to the next model they are charging the customer an extra 1800. This is why I built my bike out of parts...I built a bike with an 11.6, 1300 gram wheelset...all the components that I personally want to run...essentially higher spec than a top spec off the shelf build and it cost me 2/3 the price...remember the days when you could get a fully kashima capra with carbon wheels for about 4 grand? Now you pay 10 grand to get a crappy X2 elite. If you want the unfiltered truth and actual useful info about bikes and not marketing bs take a look at Paul Astons YouTube channel. He is like the only guy in the industry that seems completely unbiased and says it how it is and tries things and gives useful info on what really matters rather than all the marketing junk.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer beyond your understandable disappointment with the short spec AXS dropper, I wonder whether the N6 can fit longer posts. I have a large N5, and it's at least an inch away from being able to slam even a 180mm one-up. I really hope the insertion depth was improved for this iteration.
  • 1 0
 @Danzzz88: Surprise you built a bike to a better spec than off the shelf for cheaper. it's pretty much always cheaper to buy a full build, unless you are buying all the parts on sale. Maybe it's different when buying a Santa Cruz
  • 1 0
 @melonhead1145: I would not say full build are "Always cheaper", often cheaper, yes. Sometimes not thought Also, with a full build you usually end up with a lot of lower grade parts they sprinkle in that your going to change out anyway. It is a fair point made above that bike brands will up your rear derailleur but then charge you like the whole drive train was bumped up a level and pocket the difference.
For sure if you buy the parts for your bike over time you have more chance of finding deals. But the other thing is that even if you don't save money, you get to choose where/what parts to put your money into. Some people want DH brakes on their trail bikes, some don't. A deore crank works just as good as an XTR crank, so maybe no reason to spend money there? Flip side is the XTR crank is a little lighter, has much better resale or you know you can just keep transferring it to new builds for a couple decades. Point is you get to choose...
  • 1 1
 @melonhead1145: well you I looked for deals and best prices I could find...sb165 with PUSH 11.6, ZEB with Smashpot and custom FAST SC4 damper, XTR cranks, chain and shifter XT everything else, Shigura brakes, 1300 gram wheels etc rolling on Carbon Ti hubs, One Up bars etc...and it cost me around 8k to build...meanwhile older generation SB6 teams were still going for 10-11k and the top oem spec SB165 was around the same price as my build with DHX 2, stock forks, alloy wheels etc...Shigura brakes for example...got the calipers and hoses for 45 quid each new on ebay and XTR m9120 levers for 70 quid each...XTR cranks picked up on Chain reaction on sale for 240 quid...11.6 was on sale for 800 quid which I eventually traded in for the new 11.6R for a bit extra...currently that shock is now 1400 quid. I shopped around and was patient with the build. I do the same when building PC's...source the parts you want at the best prices you can find and be patient...you can almost always build something better and more specific to what you want for less money with a bit of hard work and patience.
  • 56 2
 The Nomad is now semi retired. It has white New balance shoes from Costco, stands in the back punk shows.
  • 53 3
 It’s technically a Megatower MX. Long live the Nomad 27.5.
  • 7 0
 Naw Megatower MX is 32 front and 29 rear.
  • 45 7
 Fairplay to SC this actually looks really good. It's the sort of bike I'd like next, but I think the price is silly! £5500 for the lowest spec level. £3600 gets you a mullet Vitus Sommet with XT gears and brakes and factory suspension front and rear, or for £5500 you can get a mullet Nukeproof Giga with XT and factory suspension. I know these are more budget brands, but who apart from dentists will buy this, when so much better value can be found elsewhere, with just as good bikes.
  • 20 1
 This bike sharing the same front triangle mould as the Megatower, which should reduce production costs, and none of that savings being passed on to us are just so Santa Cruz lol.
  • 8 1
 @gravitybass: but don’t worry because Santa Cruz and Elliot are bridging the gap to get everyone into mountain biking. (You just gotta be quite rich)
  • 2 1
 Buy frame only, build your bike, same thousands.
  • 4 0
 Nukeproof isn't even a budget brand anymore. They are a mid pack brand. SC used to be on the upper end of middle class. I remember when their frames went for 2500$ when top of the line frames from other companies went for 3000-3200$. They just rebranded as more expensive. I don't get why so many companies did after moving their production OUT of america.
  • 1 0
 I mean... No you I can't, their never in stock lol
  • 2 0
 You pay X for the name
  • 34 2
 Can we just ignore the price and praise the inclusion (continuation) of sensible solutions like threaded BB, no headset cabling and so on?
  • 4 3
 You know what else is available with every choice of wheelsize and frame material, has a threaded bb, no headset routing, is Category 5 compliant and dual-crown compatible? A Canyon Torque. Also, the base model is about half the price of a base model Nomad.
  • 33 0
 please for the love of god don't make the 5010 mixed wheel
  • 11 0
 It's happening. I know this is total here say but I saw a promo for the new 5010 being shot out on a trail near where I live and it was a mullet bike. Santa Cruz is done with pure 27.5 for now.
  • 4 0
 @LeafTurtle: sad news
  • 2 0
 You will be sad in a month.
  • 3 1
 Hmm, agreed with your comment, but now that I think about I kinda secretly wouldn't mind trying one
  • 2 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: I feel the same... I've had my 5010 v4 for a couple years and love it to death but can see how a faster rolling front wheel would be neat.
  • 29 0
 "There's also a Glovebox for stashing tools and tubes inside the frame"... not my like Glovebox then, when I last checked it had a few hard boiled sweets, a Chinese takeaway menu, a couple of pens and an old Oasis CD!
  • 11 3
 Lacking cd accommodations is the new lack of water bottle inside the triangle
  • 5 0
 Lol. I'm going to invest in foldable CD's. It'll be huge. I remember in high school my friend thought it was called a glove department.
  • 7 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: I hope you still laugh at him for that
  • 21 1
 They are selling the 27.5 version along side it on the website simply as ‘the Nomad’ now, so hopefully it hangs around for a good while longer for all those who loved the way the 27.5 rode.
  • 4 0
 That's how they usually do it. Good luck finding a V5 in an actual shop though. I know I'll be holding on to mine for dear life...
  • 5 0
 Sadly, they only do that so that shops don't have to "discount" the old model. As soon as all the 27.5 Nomads have shipped, they will take those offline and only offer the MX version. The 27.5 version is deadFrown
  • 2 1
 @HeyBaumeister: have you tried mullet bikes?
I run V4 Nomad which is pretty similar to V5. For last year I've been moaning that I would like to get a bigger wheel on the front - purely for the speed. I am using this bike for everything - bikeparks, enduro racing, even some DH racing. Wondering if I should try a bigger wheel or keep the V4 with me forever Wink
  • 21 1
 OK, that's the first SC bike for a while that I can't really fault on paper. Apart from the price and it being the colour of a drying plaster wall, obvs.
  • 1 0
 Agree, Geometry is finally there, or there about, would like a touch more in the reach for me but that's personal.
  • 16 2
 Yes, the same geometry as Transition Patrol from 2018
  • 2 1
 @melonhead1145: Yeah the 475mm reach is spot-on for me, but I'd still knock 0.5deg off the HA if I was being fussy. There's always something but they've basically cracked it at last.
  • 2 0
 @chakaping: I'm assuming if they went back to a single pivot design like in the 90s you'd be happy? ;-)
  • 2 1
 @razor: They should bring back the Heckler and Bullit as single pivot frames for sure, but I think that ship has sailed (and been electrified)
  • 1 0
 More reach and less headangle for gen 7 please.
  • 2 3
 It’s mullet-only, it’s only available in carbon and it’s not dual-crown compatible. Three very obvious flaws IMO. Also the price, but then again Santa Cruz customers don’t seem to mind. They seem to have gotten used to the abuse by now.
  • 2 2
 @Muscovir: None of these are an issue for me tbh. Would be good to see an alloy version but it's not unusual for bikes only to be available in carbon. If you want an un-mullet version of this get the Megatower, it's the same front triangle
  • 22 0
 Mixed feelings about this one
  • 66 1
 It’s called MX feelings now.
  • 7 1
 @AndrewFleming: I think it might actually be called Mullet feelings.
  • 5 0
 @rarerider: Accurate. I have so many MX emotions about mullets.
  • 21 1
 Oh what a glorious time to be in the bike industry... No matter what a company does, about half of the community will burn you at the stake...
  • 21 0
 Don’t make the mistake of thinking the PB comments section represents half the community. PB has what, a couple hundred thousand subscribers? Statistically almost no one comments. And we’re almost always loudmouths who think we have something clever to say.
  • 12 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: I was just discussing this with my wife last night.

Only morons and clowns comment on the internet, dont let yourself be tricked into thinking its properly ratioed sample of a community.

But please everyone, keep chirping as much as possible about the through the headset routing, nobody likes it.
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: actually, it's usually the community that thinks they represent a majority of the market... Or, the ever so common " Me and my friends..."

On the upside, if a company like Santa Cruz doesn't make a bike that is what you want, there's enough companies that someone probably does...
  • 2 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: Pinkbike has 1.5M follows on Instagram. Its a pretty big slice of the community.
  • 2 0
 @HB208: That's a factual statement, but I would bet that "Statistically almost no one comments" is too.
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: That's fair, PB obviously has a lot of pull in the industry though.
  • 7 0
 @HB208: right but that’s not my point. My point is that of all those riders almost no one comments, so using the comment section as a gauge for community opinion might be a mistake. It’s like using Twitter to determine what everyone in America thinks about something.
  • 1 0
 Maybe the fact bike prices raise faster than the rapidly raising inflation has something to do with it?
  • 2 0
 @RonSauce: haha, I think you're spot on. Question is this, do you also delude yourself into thinking that there is a hypothetical 3rd category of commentors, we'll call them "reasonable observers" who occasionally impart their wisdom on the morons and clowns? I do too, but I also understand I fall firmly into the clown category when push comes to shove.
  • 2 0
 @jaytdubs: nope 2 categories with an incredibly thin line between them.

If you're trying to impart wisdom on a group of morons and clowns you are firmly in both camps.
  • 2 0
 @RonSauce: you don't seem like a clown
  • 1 0
 @ceecee: this guy gets it.
  • 27 10
 After wanting and experiencing each version of the Nomad since the v2, the v5 will be my last Santa Cruz enduro or trail bike. Whoever at SC or Pon that made the decision to not offer a full 27.5 option should really step down or be fired immediately. I love my N5 so much that I managed to get an extra frame so hopefully I am good for at least 5 plus years, but afterwards I don't know. Maybe full 27.5s will be back again once the industry sobers up. I'm quite tired of the industry catering to racers and beginners and leaving no good options for some others. I know many riders on full 27.5 that are faster, more skilled and more stylish than similar experience level riders on full 29er or mullet. Yes, these riders may go even faster on a 29er or mullet, but bike feel is the most important to some of us and nothing beats full 27.5 for this. If you are racing and want every edge, or are a rider that wants the increased rollover of the bigger front wheel, then full 27.5 is likely not for you. Anyways, it's been a good 20-year run with SC. Sad day indeed for full 27.5. However, I will say that it's quite liberating not wanting the latest version of something and being so happy with the one I have now.
  • 10 1
 I'm 100% with you. I love my V5, it's literally perfect. And it's so sad to see all 27.5 options disappearing...
  • 6 0
 My DH rig is the last version of the 27.5 Supreme and it’s seriously great to ride. I don’t want to go any faster thanks I’m good!
  • 8 3
 @HeyBaumeister: no one buys them, it's that simple
  • 4 1
 @dkendy1: Exactly. I ride to have fun, not to blow past all the sidehits and be the fastest...
  • 5 1
 I wouldn't be so quick to roast anyone at Santa Cruz. The people who made the decision to kill the full 27.5 Nomad are all the potential buyers who spent their thousands on a full 29er or mullet.
  • 4 0
 I think in 5 years it will definitely be an option to run MX, 29, or 27.5
Remember bikes that came 29 or 27.5+ (2.5")?
Now they're just 29", even if the bike can still take 27.5+

I think "they" will see similar lack of broad enthusiasm for MX,
and try to maximize appeal by expanding manufacturer approved configurations.

I'm guessing the aftermarket lower headset spacers (e.g. Wolftooth Lower Headset Cup Extender)
referenced in earlier comments will be adopted by bike manufacturers,
just as link/frame flip chips have become standard issue.
Five years ago that was a unique feature.

Aftermarket companies like Wolf Tooth are more agile than bike brands,
and more in tune with customer demand,
so are a good indicator of where things are headed
www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/wolf-tooth-lower-headset-cup-extender-ec-external-cup
  • 2 0
 @blcpdx: I sure hope you are right about the option to run any size in the future! Why not if it can be done without compromise to performance and with low cost.
  • 1 0
 @dkendy1: That's awesome! I don't think I need to go any faster either...the bike is not the limit right now, up or down - it's me, my physical and mental limits of risk vs reward.
  • 5 0
 Completely agree. I think the 27.5 version is the perfect bike
  • 8 0
 @HeyBaumeister: For the 27.5 connoisseurs that like to both pedal efficiently and rip downhill in a "not straight line way" while airing over sections of chunk and jumping from corner to corner, it is indeed nearly the perfect bike. Geometry is bang-on and suspension feel is fantastic. Seat post insertion could be a touch deeper, but that's about it.

Long live the Nomad 27.5!!
  • 2 1
 @blcpdx: Why run a spacer when you can just run more travel?
  • 3 0
 Word. I will be hanging onto my V3 bronson for a long time. Although I am definitely mullet curious.
  • 3 0
 I have mulleted 3 previous Nomads as well as the Mega. Nice not to have to do that anymore.
  • 3 0
 @blcpdx: great take! I hope you're right, you've given me cause for optimism, whether misguided or not.
  • 1 0
 The guys and girls at SC or Pon are trying to make money and base design decisions on sales data - I assume. My guess is your beloved Nomad has had a decline in sales over the past few years as more people buy 29” bikes. I don’t disagree with anything you say about liking the feel of a 27.5 bike or any of that, but you have to remember a company like SC is about profitability. They’d bring back 26” bikes if they thought it would be more profitable. I’m guessing many people said the same when they killed 26” bikes. Being forced to a smaller bike company might give you the chance to find some people who like you who still believe in how a 27.5 rides and still make it because they like them, even if their sales might be slightly lower as a result.
  • 2 0
 @wburnes: I was speaking from an OE spec viewpoint, not a personal setup recommendation.
Needing to include one of two forks is too complex/expensive for most brands,
and your average bike shopping customer won't see "just replace fork!" as an acceptable/attractive "feature."
HOWEVER, fork manufacturers could get on board,
and make something like the Fox TALAS system
for quickly switching travel to accomodate 27.5 and 29 compatibility.
But I think suspension engineers wouldn't accept the compromises necessary to make this possible,
especially on high end forks, which is probably why the TALAS system got retired (I think?)
  • 2 0
 Preach!
  • 2 0
 One more with the same feeling.... Bad Days....
  • 3 1
 I don't know where you guys ride, but only reason I see to go 27.5 is if you ride flowy and jumpy park trails, or fire roads.

I actually see no point for a 27.5 tire anymore for general trail riding. Big or small chunk, thr 29er tire just rolls over everything so much more easier and more proficiently. Also a front 29" tire is safer as it is much more forgiving of bad lines.

Everyone talks about how much faster a 29er or Mullet is over a 27.5 bike, but to me it seems a 29er or Mullett benefits us slower guys more than the fast guys.

29ers do feel cumbersome at times, and do turn slower, but the slower ruening is easy to get use to and eventually you wont even notice it .

As for a Mullet, to me they feel the same as a 27.5 bike as far as Playfulness and nimbleness goes, but they easily outclass 27.5 bikes in everything rlse. That big front tire makes riding easier as it just roll over a everything so mich easier and they do not get hung up like a 27.5 bike.

I do love 27.5 bikes, have 2 myself that I plan to keep forever, but moving forward, all future bikes I purchase will be a 29er or Mullet.

PS: I also love 26 bikes. I still have my 2000 Intense Tracer, and 1999 Litespeed, but I would never go back to 26ers either.
  • 1 1
 @HendersonMike: You're funny. Lovely of you to assume you know what trails people ride just because they are on a particular wheelsize. Next time you are in the Sea-to-Sky or North Shore let me know and I will show you some black diamond climbs and descents where guys like you will be wishing you had a 32er up front.
  • 1 0
 @FatTail:
I am just Say'n! I know it is always 95% rider, a good rider will be good on any bike, but he can always be even better because of the bike. Has all these Haters even tried 29er for an extended period of time? Or even tried a Mullet at all? I think the Haters riding experience will even be better on a Mullet. 27.5 bikes have disappeared from World Cup XC and DH events, as well as in the EWS. Please discuss...
  • 21 3
 I will miss it in version 27.5 Frown
  • 20 8
 This the most German bike ever made, if VW Passat had a bike child, it would be something from SC. I bet the most interesting part about designing this bike was choosing the colour Wink
  • 16 3
 This. I’m sure they’re fine bikes but each new Santa Cruz is so painfully dull.
  • 9 1
 This is why I like SC so much ;-)
  • 6 3
 @fueled: it's boring as f*ck, but I would totally ride it,that's exactly the bike I need, if it didn't cost like 20% more than anything else. One benefit of SC pricing is that you can buy a frameset and aftermarket parts literally for the price of their build or cheaper Smile So it's like a custom build Razz
  • 1 1
 SC and VW might be both conservative regarding the design, but the (big) difference is that a VW Passat does not have any personality.
You'd better compare VW with Porsche Wink
  • 5 4
 @granjak: And SC has personality? It is literally as fascinating as a middle aged dentist.
  • 5 3
 @lkubica: you are describing cube or giant
  • 7 5
 @jadias: You know what, you guys are dead right. There is something kind of lifeless in SC bikes. No aura, no personality, nothing relatable, no ratboy having fun on a bronson or whatever.

Not even "form follows function" comes to mind seeing these matte, flat-licked, carbon velos.

Oh look, yet another technically superb SC.
Oh look, yet another 5 figure price tag.
I'm bored. I inherited a fortune. I buy a SC. Off to the maledives, tomorrow.
  • 3 2
 @xice:

You dont watch dh and never heard of 50to01?
  • 1 1
 @lkubica: is that a dig on Hugo Johannes Blaschke and Greg Minnaar?
  • 2 0
 @bikefuturist: Sure do. DH is the best at the moment (and maybe the worst come next year?) 50to01 is not my cup of tea. Not taking away anything from SC bikes technically, but they sort of lost their want factor in me.
  • 2 1
 @ceecee: And what they have to do with it, I never said those are bad bikes, on the contrary. I only said they are boring, which is a very subjective thing and certainly have nothing to do with professional racing.
  • 3 0
 @xice: There's something wrong when people are more hyped about the latest release from Corporate Trek or Big Bad Specialised than your (previously) 'boutique' brand...

I used to ride a SC 5010 (version 2) and it was such a fun bike. i just don't get that from them any more.
  • 16 2
 A bike for a dentist who was also a skateboarder in the 90s
  • 2 0
 Don't forget radiologists.... they're the dentists of the MD world.
  • 20 10
 There's no getting around the fact that Santa Cruz's prices are on the higher end of the spectrum Those free bearings and warranty replacements have to be paid for somewhere
  • 22 5
 buying bearings in bulk they are pretty much no cost factor at all
  • 8 1
 I'm pretty sure I heard that they retain a larger percentage of frames back for warrantee purposes than other manufacturers? I don't know how much and that can be a positive or a negative - faster service if there is an issue with your frame (and I have only ever heard positive things about SC sorting issues out quickly) but higher cost as they're making less money through frame sales...
I don't mind the high cost personally (not that I have one, but I know people that do) - they've positioned themselves as a premium brand, seem to support shops and events, run a World Cup team, and have good service when it does wrong. You can pay less elsewhere but don't get all of the above.
  • 7 0
 SC is currently many months behind on warranty frames coming through. Not great.
  • 3 1
 Yeah is a premium price no doubt’s about it. During the pandemic my frame was warranty and only waited two weeks, peace of mind as a price in my book, Excellent customer service.
  • 1 4
 @fedfox: Given the price, I would not be happy with waiting two weeks.
  • 3 0
 @fedfox: lol. Going on 5 months wait in Aus with no end in sight...
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: I'm offended by your reasonable positions.... rabble, rabble....rabble..
  • 13 2
 Looks intresting, however, I don't figure out how to bring the kids at school with this bike, I will keep my car instead, but will talk to my dentist about this
  • 16 5
 $5500 for an NX build?????Insane I'll stick with a Patrol for $4000 and save $1500 to upgrade when needed
Santa Cruz the new Yeti for dentists and doctors
  • 3 1
 Yeah lol I know it's direct but for 4000 Euro you get an ohlins equipped alu capra.
  • 1 0
 @spaced: I remember those days, when you can take Shimano Saint Group set, FOX suspension and Mavic Deemax for about 2500 or 3500 euro and recieve YT DH frame (with your name on it) for free.
  • 13 2
 This Nomad X01 build is only $700 cheaper than the new Pivot Shuttle E-MTB Pro X01 build... that right there speaks volumes to SC's pricing...
  • 11 4
 Spend $5K+ and need to replace the drivetrain and wheels to match the bike's performance? Oh, right..."this is not the place to look if you're trying to stretch your dollars as far as possible." LMAO
  • 9 3
 "That said, the parts in the various build kits are well selected, and if a bike has a GX drivetrain it has a full GX drivetrain, not just a derailleur to make it seem that way."

Lol unless you spend $11,200 on the X01 AXS RSV build, in which they short change you and you get a GX AXS Shifter!
  • 4 0
 I have a hard time believing that saved them anything measurable with whatever component deal they worked out. Maybe Sram is short on xo1 AXS shifters? Seems absolutely strange to do that on a low volume bike to "make more profit".
  • 5 0
 They're the same shifter mechanically. The X01 comes with the two-button paddle, and the GX has the rocker paddle (which has the option to run the two-button layout for $30). It's only personal preference on which one is better, and you can run either button layout on either shifter.
  • 2 0
 @leon-forfar: ...but the badging!
  • 3 2
 @leon-forfar: That's fine and all, but they are different and one costs more. On the "X01 AXS" Build, I want X01 AXS when you're paying OVER $11k.
  • 6 0
 As a fan of the full 27.5, I have been waiting for months with 5K and my finger on the trigger for the new Nomad. It was possible to have done both versions of the bike, mullet and full 27.5... now I'm going to go for a Giga frame.

Already writing, I take the opportunity to give my opinion on the wheel size from the point of view of a fan of the full 27.5: sometimes I use my father's XC 29 for what I understand the superior grip in turns that the larger front wheel has, plus the best absorption of bumps so it seems logical that the mullet option gives slightly higher performance. The point is that mullets are very ugly. You can tell me that the Fiat Multipla is the best car in the world that I will not be able to leave all my savings on it. Apart from the belief that 90% of performance comes from the skills of the rider
  • 13 5
 As a mullet dh bike owner it doesn't really make sense to me on a trail bike unless you're really short, just my opinion
  • 9 1
 When I tested my current bike I tested it in both mullet and 29 versions - I much preferred the mullet. The way it drops into cornering (I think the technical term is flop?) is much sharper and makes the bike feel far more agile. There is a slight drop in grip and roll over in the rear but nothing that I took issue with. In fact it can make the bike a little more fun at lower speeds.

Depends what trails you ride, etc, but I can absolutely see why some may go for a mullet trail bike.

I'm 6'2" for the record...
  • 7 0
 I’m 6’3” and all legs. I just hope full 29s don’t die off because I have no interest in the mullet setup; having sampled the variety of wheelsize options, full 29 does the trick for me.
  • 28 1
 6'1" and really hoping full 650b doesn't (completely) die off, because while mullet might be ok, I'm here for a good time not for a fast time.
  • 3 3
 @AndrewHornor: totally legit opinion if that’s your experience but that general sentiment is a false dichotomy. I’m ridden both extensively and I’m riding faster and having as much or more fun than ever. Granted I’m not doing any tricks, but that’s coming from someone whose idea of fun is riding as fast possible down a trail with lots of jumps and drops. It’s like after 25 years of riding I finally have a bike that actually fits my body and my intentions.
  • 4 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: that's why it's so good for both sizes to exist! I don't value outright speed as much - I enjoy hopping off little stuff that might just be trail texture to you, and feel that smaller wheels encourage it more.
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: Don’t worry, full 29er setups won’t die out. In my personal opinion, mullets don’t make sense for tall people (such as myself). According to a study with 20.000 participants done by Enduro Magazin, riders who are interested in mullets are a tiny (albeit very vocal) minority.
  • 1 0
 If you want a trail bike that rides like a dh bike?
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: You should be on a mullet with a 32" front wheel imo
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: Perfect description of mullet benefits. I have been converting Santa Cruz bikes to mullet for a while now. For me the benefits of screwing with the geometry were acceptable with the gains from a super grip front and releasable rear, flop also derived from a slacker headangle.
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: That grip drawback of mullet is also due less of the gyroscopic force that stabilise a 29’ rear (as well as a smaller contact patch). Quite noticeable in more rear release on fast, flat corners when a 29er will drift in a more controllable manner. Which is best depends on the trails you ride.
  • 10 1
 TFW a Canyon Torque is more interesting than the new Santa Cruz Nomad...
  • 4 0
 And much cheaper and still can get threaded bb, full gx... Although the mullet build is Shimano...
  • 6 4
 A 2018 Toyota Corolla with a manual transmission is more interesting than the new Nomad... Might as well just say Santa Cruz because I can't tell them apart
  • 2 0
 @Dogl0rd: shimano is now bad? I thought the common hate target was sram?
  • 2 0
 @spaced: no I didn't mean to complain about Shimano, the Shimano build is more expensive, but still cheaper than SC
  • 9 0
 Finally I get to pick both wheel sizes and be a dick about it.
  • 5 1
 Everyone seems a bit confused with the last SC releases.
All the bikes share the same frame design, the main differences beeing the suspensions travel and the wheels size.
Maybe SC should consider to release an online tool on which buyers could choose the frame category, the wheels size and the type of suspensions... and all the other parts Smile
That would be quite a premium service that would match the selling price.
  • 2 0
 The Megatower was actually a pretty massive change aside from it having a similar silhouette.
  • 1 0
 On the surface they have the same general shape and silhouette. The geometries change slightly but ride characteristics are very different
  • 1 0
 @MT36: I'm not saying the frame are all the same, but I think they should consider to make a unique frame from 29 /27.5 wheels.. it should be doable via a switch think to adjust
  • 5 2
 Bike industry is cooked. There's more to this shit than racing. 29 inch wheels are good for going quick in a fast line but make jumps, tricks feel like shit. At least keep a full 27.5 option. These will be the only used bikes in 5-7 years, so don't start with that "just buy an older bike" shit. Development teams need to include riders that have done the sport longer than 3 years and realize not everyone races or rides xc.
  • 8 6
 So buried in all this is that Kazmier thinks the new Megatower sucks. Wonder if he will actually tell it like it is or if he is afraid to say it. The fact that damnation with faint praise slipped in is all you need to know about it.
  • 5 1
 I don’t think he thinks it sucks… just not quite as good. So few bikes really suck these days, not sure why the nuance reads as some lack of courage, I appreciate Kaz’s measured view on things.
  • 15 1
 @car-ramrod, exactly. The Megatower was included in the most recent Field Test - you’ll be able to see and read what we thought in more detail soon.
  • 2 0
 @car-ramrod: you are correct. Most bikes are excellent today. So when a review of something is only “very good” it is most revealing. Especially when it is buried in an article talking about how an even newer thing is better.

I’m willing to bet that the upcoming review of the new Megatower will also talk about the shortcomings of the first version (which was “very good” when it was reviewed) while focusing on the new one being “very good”
  • 1 0
 @wibblywobbly: To be fair to the bike media, I thought there was a generally lukewarm reception for the original Megatower.
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: Weren't the "First ride" articles mostly hype and then the actual reviews that sneaked out a few months later much less enthusiastic (after a load of people had already bought them of course...)
  • 1 0
 @korev: You may well be right, my memory ain't what it used to be.
  • 5 3
 I just realized that all of their bikes now come with the 10-50T cassettes. THANK GOD. There's nothing more annoying than buying a bike with a $400 cassette and immediately feeling the need to swap it out because the bike was spec'd by the marketing team.
  • 3 1
 I jumped on the mullet train recently with a Commencal Meta SX. Gotta say, the mullet hype is real, especially for lighter and shorter riders (5'6"). Might not climb as fast, but definitely helps getting that rear end around faster and when things are technical, steep and fast.
  • 2 0
 Santa Cruz's prices have just gotten out of hand. I guess that's true of a number of other brands, too, but jeez. $5700 for a bike with an NX drivetrain, and relatively basic everything else.

Santa Cruz makes some good bikes. The only problem is that they aren't any better than a lot of other bikes that give way better value for the money to boot. I know there are people that will pay a premium solely for the name printed on the frame, and that's fine. I'm just not one of them.
  • 2 0
 I mean even with their good durability and warranty this is going overboard. Frame only is 4200$. Compare it to something like Banshee where the titan is really tested, the company is really in touch with the community and you also get a durable product. I get carbon vs alu but still. It used to be companies didn't charge a premium for just being a good bike.
  • 1 0
 @spaced: 4200 USD for a frame... Man, their bikes just aren't that good to me.
  • 6 1
 Really disappointing to see 29” front wheel on this. Another bike to cross off the shopping list.
  • 2 0
 You could run a 44OS 190mm Zeb
  • 2 0
 Over $5k for the base model...which, isn't the worst build sheet out there. Really, that's almost a "change nothing" build at least for a little while. The NX is no ones favorite drive train but holy crap, it not only comes with a ridable fork but it has brakes that work too!
Still feels awfully high priced but I do appreciate that the entry level build isn't just a money pit waiting for unsuspecting newcomers.
  • 4 0
 "and tweaks to the bike's kinematics designed to increase the suspension's sensitivity and consistency"

Aren't we supposed to chug a beer or take a shot when this pops up?
  • 2 0
 I mean you could technically just slap a 190mm ZEB or dual crown on and run a 27.5 wheel on this bike if that is what you prefer. In theory more travel in the front makes sense anyway as it equates to similar vertical travel...that's why most Yeti's have longer forks that rear travel.
  • 8 4
 63.5 just put a 180 dual crown on it already stop this 'enduro means singlecrown nonsense'
  • 2 1
 I don't see any reason Enduro bikes should have less than 203mm of travel and dual crowns
  • 2 1
 I'm all for the dual crown idea. Just better to ride downhill in every way. 200mm bikes aren't used because they are generally slower on everything other than an all out fall line DH trail.
  • 6 0
 SC expressly exclude dual crown on the website FAQ'S for the latest crop of bikes... lame.
  • 4 1
 Mullet bikes are designed to sell 29" wheels to people who actually would prefer 27.5" wheels but can't admit it to themselves.
  • 4 0
 I remember when I saw a bike that costs 6k and thought that was a lot. Now bikes start at 6k.
  • 1 0
 The extra info on the anti-squat chart is great, but is 620mm a realistic CoG for a Large bike? My saddle top is at 700mm vertically above the BB (720mm along the effective STA), I would think my CoG would be somewhere in that region, if not actually higher.
  • 4 4
 I was a SC fan boi for fifteen years, owning five of them. They lost me when the original Bronson dropped in '13 with it being the first production mountain bike to come with a $10K price tag. It was not a bad bike at the time, but I did not feel that it was $4-5k better than it's competitors. Additionally up until that point or maybe a year or so prior Santa Cruz did innovative things. They were the first company to have an online bike build, personalized spec choices, color selection and across the board a great value. Their bike design was forward thinking as well. I can't say that their purchase by a global bike manufacturer coincided with them becoming way more conservative, but the timing seems correct. That all said, I am currently considering a new frame and definitely will be running it in MX form. I thought last years Bronson was the most interesting bike SC had done in years, but this new 'Mad is speaking to me even if I don't want to spend a solid thousand more over other other options I'm considering.
  • 12 0
 I've owned 5 Santa Cruz frames, I gave up when the weight of all their frames across the board went up with their prices. As a 65kg guy heavy expensive bikes a are a non starter. My Rascal is heavy but it's quite a bit cheaper.
  • 2 0
 But, Insurgent
  • 2 1
 @ceecee: The Insurgent or the Wreckoning with mixed wheels has been doing what the new Nomad is up to for more than two years and Specialized beat everyone to the table with their SWAT boxes some 3-4 years ago. Santa Cruz are no longer leaders even if they offer a peerless warranty and nice refinements.
  • 2 0
 @hellbelly: yes, that's why I asked. What's Nomad.6 saying to you?--'I have a 443mm RC and a glovebox?' Is DELTA not different enough from VPP to be worth comparing?
  • 3 0
 @ceecee: Is it weird that the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned "RC" was RC cola? Maybe I am just an old creep from the south. The "RC" on the medium I'd ride would only be 440mm, but it isn't the length, but how you use it, right?

Moving on, the DELTA and VPP suspension systems are very different. I've ridden both and while I was not a fan of the earlier iterations of the VPP design, the current lower link designs are damn good. The annoying pedal kickback that plagued their previous models is in the past. Conversely, the DELTA system is really not like anything else save ironically Santa Cruz's APP from a dozen years ago. As for why anyone would go for one over the other is simply a matter of personal tastes.

As for my tastes (or lack thereof), I've ridden Evil bikes for the last five and a half years. On the plus side, they flat out rip, are low maintenance and yes the cliche "confidence inspiring" is 100% on point. If I was going to buy a new one I'd get an Insurgent. I will say on the down side, they are expensive, their finishes are just okay, they are not so great for tall riders (not my problem) and they are hard to come by being rarely in stock since the plague started.

So what does the Nomad say to me? KILL! No wait, sorry that's the wraith that visits me nightly in my dreams says to me. The Mad's geo numbers are bang on for what I want to do, nice actual steep seat angle (little to no shuttling down here), SC is known for making super high quality frames and they have the one of best warranties available. Furthermore, in frame storage is awesome and why every bike manufacturer isn't working to get this on their trail and enduro rigs is beyond me. Lastly, it comes in black. KILL! \m/
  • 4 4
 Since the chainstays are longer, the big advantage a smaller wheel could offer (Manual Machine!!!!) is squandered here.

So the big question is-would the MegaTower also get the special sauce if the linkage was revised so the kinematics matched this bike?

Kinda suspect that's what would happen. And will happen when SC is due to refresh the Plower.
  • 9 0
 it's not just the CS length, it's actually the BB drop relative to the rear axle that allows you create move leverage to manual or wheelie. Having a 27.5 effectively reduces the BB drop by 19mm.
  • 4 0
 @smoothmoose: Mind blown. I've waited decades for this explanation. Thank you

Tried manuals on so many different over the years, could never solve what the formula was, but I knew chainstay length wasn't the complete answer because some bikes with somewhat longer chainstays were the easiest to hold a manual on...
  • 3 0
 Actually going too short with CS with modern long top tubes creates problem with not enough weight being on the front wheel and generally wacky handling.
  • 1 0
 I’m interested in the full review of the megatower, I have a v2 and find the suspension to have the special sauce….
  • 2 0
 @kylereidmcc: Samesies...thing is pretty amazing
  • 4 0
 More people have commented on this post than will buy this bike.
  • 1 1
 Waiting on a commencal Meta SX (due August) but had the old Nomad that was an absolute weapon.
Got a full 29er Marin Alpine Trail 7 and it’s definitely faster over all except on the steeps when I buzz my butt lol.
So basically a mullet is the best of all…. Hopefully!
  • 4 3
 Not a good sign when last 2 Santa Cruz bikes , I scroll down see stat lines and last sentence of review. Then move on. Great brand, good bikes, everywhere. Samo samo
  • 4 1
 These carbon frames still weigh more than a steel enduro frame?
  • 5 0
 Looks about on par with my Starling from the full bike weight, but I can't put my lunch in my downtube so I guess it's worth the extra few grand?
  • 2 0
 What’s the difference between the GX AXS-Kit $8,499 and GX AXS-Kit Reserve $9,799?
  • 4 0
 Carbon wheels.
  • 9 0
 That and the glove box comes completely crammed to capacity with marijuana.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer What does the Morse code under Nomad CC say? I am too lazy to translate it.
  • 2 0
 Share the same front triangle with MT. Financial controller goes BRAAP! at HQ.
  • 2 3
 Becoming more and more curious to try a mullet. Seems like adding wings to a horse, or an owl's head to a bear. Borrowed a 27 they other day holy shit is it more fun and whippy...but less grippy and generally crappier at climbing and descending.
  • 2 0
 I think the fear is it may be more like adding a bear's head to an owl. That sounds like it could win some award for worst analogy ever...
  • 2 0
 The local MTB 2nd hand market showed that 29ers and mullets sold almost immediately whilst full 27.5 sat unsold...
  • 3 0
 Finally they oriented the Maxxis yellow patch opposite of the valve stem.
  • 1 3
 Why on earth did they do that? Anyone knows the bikes are faster when the valve stem meets the middle of the XX in Maxxis...
  • 1 0
 Couldn’t they have left the Nomad 27.5 and made the Megatower with a mullet option like they did with the V10? Everyone wins? Just my 2 cents
  • 8 6
 That's one sexy bike! I guess RIP full 27.5
  • 6 5
 Nomad Mullet: If that makes sense!? Then probably the prices for a 27.5 "Nomad will rise....
  • 12 10
 Give me a frame made of metal or idgaf
  • 7 22
flag sophisticatedhonky (Aug 2, 2022 at 4:37) (Below Threshold)
 You want 3 extra pounds and to ride something weaker? It’s just money man
  • 2 0
 It's mullet so the frame color ain't stylish
  • 3 0
 It better be betterest
  • 1 0
 Someone less lazy than me please decipher what the Morse code logo background says.
  • 3 0
 More travel than a white van
  • 6 1
 It's a cry for help from some Chinese dissident stuck working 48 hour shifts while chained to their workstation and getting paid 1 Yuan/hr
  • 4 0
 @djyosh: they’re being held hostage in the hole in the downtube
  • 3 1
 Santa Cruz releases a new bike, cue the freak out
  • 1 2
 My friend has been through 3 Nomad frames. All crash replacements from coming up short or rock strikes. All replaced very quickly, but he did have to pay, I think $600. Great customer service, nonetheless.
  • 3 1
 Cool story bro
  • 1 0
 In common parlance Gloss Gypsum is Puce, which is the color your white clothing goes when washed with your blacks.
  • 1 0
 It looks like a copy of Ibis' dirty white board color on the mojo 4. Can't quite tell though without seeing it in person though.
  • 1 0
 so Pinkbike, you alll got Jordi´s bike and say its lufthansa that still has it... shame on you
  • 1 0
 Great bike but horrendous value compared to my '21 Slash 9.8xt with carbon wheels which was $7k USD and is over 2 lb lighter
  • 1 0
 correction it was only $6220 USD
  • 5 6
 Is it doable as a single bike? Or are there better choices in this travel range? How is it for pedal strikes in the high position?
  • 2 5
 I wonder why there are many brands that produce enduro/freeride category bikes with 170mm fork travel? Why not to put there full potential of fox 38 or zeb with 180mm? Stack height is no longer issue as headtubes can be very short. Yet many long travel bikes has only 170mm front travel. I personally find benefit using 180mm fork.
  • 3 1
 Where's the Tallboy 5?
  • 5 8
 This was so exciting, until I saw the geometry chart. XL chainstay grew from 440 to 456 on XL and the reach did not change. 440 was too long on the last one. Please take the shorter is better mantra from BMX cuz I’m so close to just quitting stupid mountain bikes that change faster than iPhones do.
  • 8 3
 It's actually still exciting, because seeing bikes with super long reach paired with short chainstays is getting old. We want a balanced bike, not one where you need to hump the bars to get enough weight on the front end just to confidently turn.
  • 6 1
 Slightly longer RC, slightly shorter reach, and taller stack are the way forward. Ride one. Brands are finally starting to figure it out.
  • 3 1
 shorter cs is better is good for people who want to test bikes on parking lots but generally as ZSchnei said. Long TT + Short CS is a recipe for disaster.
  • 1 5
flag 5afety3rd (Aug 2, 2022 at 17:04) (Below Threshold)
 @ZSchnei: this bike doesn’t have a super long reach. Maybe you wouldn’t need a long stable bike if you had bike handling skills
  • 2 0
 @5afety3rd: Maybe you need to quit "stupid mountain bikes" because you're throwing a fit over a geo chart that doesn't fall in line with the current "trend".
  • 1 1
 Why does SC bother with flip chips that only change the geometry by 0.3degs and 3mm?!? Why bother?
  • 4 1
 It's a leverage curve adjustment more than a geometry adjustment. It actually makes quite a difference.
  • 1 5
flag spaced (Aug 2, 2022 at 16:08) (Below Threshold)
 @thisc*nt: placebo
  • 4 0
 @spaced: not my problem if you can't feel a difference. It's a massively different ride between the two settings with my coil shock. Pedals better in high but bottoms out quite easily. Descends much smoother and hardly ever feel it it bottom out in low.
  • 2 0
 @thisc*nt: I actually like my bike better in steep mode but it for sure does make a noticeable difference in how it handles and feels
  • 1 0
 It appears to have a hole in it.
  • 1 0
 So when can we start financing these bikes like cars?
  • 1 0
 How different does this ride compared to the Propain Spindrift?
  • 8 7
 Yawn.
  • 6 6
 Santa cruz is one of those brands I used to drool over... 20 years ago.
  • 8 10
 F..k peddling that up hill. Coil shock 38 forks and a stupid hole in the down tube to store more shit. All for 51/2 K. SC have lost the plot.
  • 4 3
 Fuck a mullet
  • 4 1
 You do you
  • 1 1
 They should of called it MEGA-MAD!! Megatower breed to a Nomad!!
  • 1 0
 Long Live 27.5
  • 3 5
 Is the suspension soft enough that you do not require a pad in your shorts?
  • 5 0
 You mean like instead of buying a saddle that fits?

Makes sense to me! Changing the saddle is too much faff, I'm going to buy a 10k long travel full suspension instead.
  • 8 9
 Yawn... I'm an interesting and uninspired bike as much as a car.
  • 5 6
 *an uninspired.... Damn me for not proof reading
  • 2 4
 Nice haircut !
  • 1 4
 Looks like they finally fixed at least one of the wheels now.
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