Move to Bentonville and Get $600 Towards a Mountain Bike Plus $10,000 Cash

Nov 13, 2020 at 4:12
by James Smurthwaite  
The Unlikely Mountain Bike Mecca of Bentonville AR

Northwest Arkansas Council is offering $10,000 cash and perks such as $600 towards a mountain bike to prospective new residents that want to move to Benton and Washington Counties.

The recently launched 'Life Works Here' program is an attempt by the region to incentivize more talented STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts and Mathematics) workers to the region. The Council says, "Northwest Arkansas has more than 10,000 job openings right now and has a shortage of talent to fill available STEAM jobs. We want to attract talent who will help us build a richer long-term talent pipeline that supports our thriving local economy. The incentive is specifically targeting remote workers – we are looking for people who can meaningfully contribute to and actively participate in our vibrant community."

The region is home to the recently trademarked 'Mountain Bike Capital of the World', Bentonville, that offers 150 miles of mountain bike trails. The region also houses the headquarters of Walmart and the grandsons of its founder, Steuart and Tom Walton, have invested heavily in the sport and infrastructure surrounding their local region and beyond.

The Unlikely Mountain Bike Mecca of Bentonville AR

The Waltons are also involved with the Life Works Here scheme, the Council says, "The initiative is sponsored by the Northwest Arkansas Council and made possible by philanthropic support from the Walton Family Foundation at the recommendation of Steuart Walton and Tom Walton." It's not clear how many places will be available for the scheme but apparently $1 million will be invested in this scheme over the next six months.

The perks for moving include the $10,000 cash stipend and a "street or mountain bike". Having reached out to the Northwest Arkansas Council, it has clarified that it will provide a credit of up to $600 to be used towards the purchase of a street or mountain bike at one of the local bike shops. Participants that don't want a bicycle money can swap it for an annual membership to one of North West Arkansas' arts and cultural institutions.

Other perks of living in the region include a per-capita income that’s 14% higher than the national average, a low cost of living and a less hectic pace of life than city living. Nelson Peacock, president and CEO of the Northwest Arkansas Council, told Forbes, “Northwest Arkansas has one of the fastest-growing economies in the country, but we must increase our STEAM and entrepreneurial talent to ensure economic growth in the future. Right now we know a lot of people are re-evaluating their priorities and their lifestyle. We are seizing the opportunity to capture attention at this time when many employers have extended work from home opportunities and employees—knowing they can work from anywhere—are reconsidering where they are living and what they are prioritizing.”

Eligibility requirements include that a candidate is at least 24 years old, has at least two years of work experience and full-time employment, is a resident outside of the state and is willing to relocate within six months of acceptance.

The Unlikely Mountain Bike Mecca of Bentonville AR

This isn't the first scheme of its kind and similar initiatives have been set up in Tulsa and Wellington, New Zealand in recent years.

For more information and to apply, click here.

Article updated following clarification from Northwest Arkansas Council.


397 Comments

  • 156 6
 As Groucho Marx said "First Prize a week in Bentonville...second prize is 2 weeks in Bentonville."
  • 44 4
 Spent some time there last summer and it was pretty awesome. Surprisingly diverse/affluent community thanks to Walmart. Riding was awesome, huge arts scene, etc.

One thing it should be a model for is companies moving their HQ's outside of SF/LA/NY. Huge impact on quality of life for the employees and the communities they could support outside of the major metropolitan areas.
  • 12 6
 @salespunk: Rode there in July. Despite getting up to start pedaling by 7:00, by 7:15 I was so soaked with sweat, it was like I jumped in a lake. And I don't even sweat very much... I agree the trails are rad, and I bet in fall / winter they're great, but if you want to pedal in the summer, move on.
  • 2 3
 So this offer is for remote work only? Like I have to have a job first, because there aren't any jobs there for me to apply to? Seriously asking, because if there are job openings that pay 14% above average, it would be great to know, and would make this more appealing.
  • 5 2
 @Lokirides: nah winter in NW Arkansas is cold and nasty. Ice storms and stuff. Spring and fall tho
  • 10 0
 Groucho also said...... "I know a girl in Minneapolis and she was also seen quite regularly in St. Paul, she's known as the Tale of Two Cities"
  • 15 1
 @maxlombardy: Last ice storm was in 2009 ... pretty rare around here actually. winters are usually pretty mild. Lived here my whole life.
  • 7 0
 @madmon: “Tail”... haha
  • 12 4
 XC capitol of FlatCountry.
  • 5 1
 @abzillah: The article mentions 10,000 job openings in NWA so I assume that means the grants would apply for those as well, as long as you move from out of state. Looks like a good time for me to dust of my resume, too.
  • 8 1
 @nsteele: see Lake Leatherwood, Eureka Springs. Bellingham, it's not. But it's also not flat, and definitely not boring
  • 1 0
 @drunknride: thank you had that in the quiver for decades..
  • 8 0
 I traveled out there for work a few years ago and loved it. After losing work to Covid, I started applying for jobs out there. Must have put in 25 applications in that area and haven’t heard a word on any of them. If they’ve got 10,000 job openings they’re trying to fill, the first step would be to start interviewing current applicants.
  • 6 0
 @Lokirides: Spend a summer riding in Georgia. You're always soaked, but you get used to it. It's the dirty south, man.
  • 3 0
 @salespunk: This explains so much about the last 4(0)+ years in the USA...
  • 2 0
 @ol-sidewinder: yeah, I was just being snarky. I need to go check it out in person. I’m sure it’d be a really cool place to ride and visit.

But...it’s not even close to the MTB capital of the US even.
  • 4 0
 @nsteele: no, it’s most definitely not the mountain bike capital. Period. that’s just got kook-marketing written all over it. Still, it’s a rad place and they’re doing a shit ton make it even better. I wish my front range Colorado community did a fraction of what they’re doing for the mountain bike scene.
  • 190 71
 I don’t know, that’s deep trump territory.
  • 67 3
 Confirmed... Trump won Benton county by almost 2 to 1 over Biden.
  • 25 6
 Not Fayetteville, which is 20 minutes south and still part of this deal. Fayetteville is more like Eugene, Madison or Boulder.
  • 67 36
 @usedbikestuff it would be great if people decide where to live based on having all the locals think the way they want them to. Diversity!
  • 205 80
 @keen515: Yes, because having a diverse neighborhood full of racists, misogynists, and crazy Born Agains is incredibly appealing to a lot of folk who do not share those views.
  • 62 2
 And that is why they claim being "mountain bike capitol of the world" though everybody knows they're not Smile
  • 112 25
 @keen515: I like talking to people with different views but tend to draw the line at people who believe in devil worshiping world-wide pedophilia rings. But that's just me.
  • 54 6
 So you bring in some new, edumecated blood with more sensible and humanitarian perspectives. These people get married, have kids, and raise em right. Prevent Idiocracy! Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
  • 9 3
 yeah, but you can probably buy an enormous house for the change under your cushions.
  • 23 6
 @Hogfly: Seems a stretch to compare to those cities,, but maybe. However, its also less than 2 hours from the KKK headquarters
  • 23 31
flag keen515 (Nov 13, 2020 at 6:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Pmars88: And the other side says something like "...draw the line at people who support infanticide" Hard to find commonalities from without some common ground, like your home town.
  • 11 3
 @Hogfly: Not to mention the trails in Fayetteville are better! If you are a young sender like Hogfly's kid, you probably prefer the Disneyland style "groomers" in Benton Co. IMO, Fayetteville is best kept secret in the US and the best place to live in NWA. But yeah, I'd prefer that to remain secret! Regardless of which side of the political aisle your are on, NWA is welcoming to everyone. People talking shit have clearly never been here to experience the vibe. Feel free to talk shit about the rest of the State. I do.
  • 130 6
 @MumblesBarn: My county went 63/37 Trump, which was actually an improvement from 2016 for the liberal ticket. But you know what? None of that matter in day-to-day living. And a lot of the stereotypes about small town/rural America are sort of B.S. I hate to say it, but in a bifurcated system, people are forced to chose between only two options and if one of those options has things they can't stomach, they end up going for the other guy, even if that guy is a racist human cheeto. You want to end that, then maybe that other side needs to learn to talk about and talk to those people in different way instead of looking down their noses at them. And that is coming from someone who is somewhere left of Karl Marx on most issues. (By the way, in the 1930s my town had a Communist Party of America mayor, so that should tell you how far rural areas have changed politically in 100 years.)

True story - My wife, who grew up in urban areas, had a rough few months adjusting to living in a small (2,000 pop.) town in an very rural area. Not because anyone did or said anything to her, but because she assumed things were different than they were. When the local policeman introduced himself to her on the street one day, she assumed it was because of her skin color (or the cornrows). It it took her awhile to understand that, no, with only 2,000 people in town, he was just being nice and saying 'hi' to the new person. Now she loves it here, even though, as she said, between her, the Hmong family and new Turkish family in town the 'ethnic club' (her words) fits around one table at the coffee shop.

This becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in way: people assume that certain people are certain ways. So they don't live where those people live because of that and then they never know people like that. It then becomes easy to believe those people are radically different. Which they aren't.
  • 35 67
flag ricochetrabbit (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:18) (Below Threshold)
 Rather have them than a neighborhood of hacks, liberals, miscreants and malcontents @MumblesBarn:
  • 5 7
 @Pmars88: I talk to everyone I can on the trails here and I've yet to run into anyone that would fit that description. It's entirely possible to have a decently large friends network out here of mostly liberal and chill folks, at least it is for me.
  • 2 0
 @boogn1sh: Centennial may end up having the best trails in the region when its done
  • 26 88
flag digitalsoul (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 I guess you missed the sentence: 'we are looking for people who can meaningfully contribute to and actively participate in our vibrant community.". Invite demoRats to your town and watch stores get looted, riots break out, people wanting free handouts, and trail access shrink.
  • 32 0
 What kind of cretin talks politics after a MTB ride. Just bad form old chap.
  • 14 3
 @CycleKrieg: for the record I have moved more than ten times since graduating in pursuit of better opportunities. It has taken me to the Midwest, northeast, west and Deep South.

There are good people everywhere.

It concerns me when you have groups of people who won’t have challenging conversations and test their viewpoints.

I’ve not found a center or left equivalent, but a group that helps people move to conservative areas for the sake of being around politically likeminded is frightening
conservativemove.com
  • 25 35
flag NebulousNate (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 @usedbikestuff who tf cares? I guarantee if you lived/visited there you wouldn't know the difference. I can't believe how soft people are that have their nose glued to CNN all day long.
  • 9 1
 @Olafmetal: I should clarify, I'm not implying Bentonville or the area is full of people who are Q fanatics. More responding directly to the idea that you can't shut doors with people you disagree with. I strongly believe in talking with people I disagree with, but there are a lot of insane people now brainwashed on social media who I have zero time or patience for. But regarding Bentonville and NW AK, you guys have nice looking trails, a really cool looking community that's growing, and from all accounts really nice people.
  • 34 27
 @CycleKrieg: This is great, and very true in many ways that I recognize in the small town that I grew up in. And I strongly agree that better communication is needed from those who are perceived to be the "educated elite" and those who have probably felt belittled by and inferior to those folk their whole lives.

But here's the bit I cannot fathom: "people are forced to chose between only two options and if one of those options has things they can't stomach, they end up going for the other guy, even if that guy is a racist human cheeto."

This is just a hard no. Racism is wrong. It is not a nuanced subject. Hate crimes are written into law and to support a racist is to be a racist; there is no alternative there. If there are things more important to you than racism, that is because you have never suffered racist abuse and lack the empathy and historical knowledge to recognize the significance racism plays in the most horrific and despicable moments of human history.

You don't like the Democrat's stance on abortion, economics, healthcare, or religion? Tough. Suck it up, take a deep breath, and DON'T VOTE FOR THE RACIST! Then, in the next Republican primary, vote for someone who stands up for all your beliefs and ISN"T A RACIST.

This is how we eradicate racism. Mind altering street side conversations between a racist and a non-racist are fiction. It needs to come from the top down, spoken in a language that is inclusive and understood by all. And it will take time - probably a long time - but it needs to be a strong and consistent message that is passed down through generations. It was beginning to feel like things were improving but four years of a racist at the top has seen at least 70 million people say "racism is not a big deal for me" and that is truly terrifying.


(to be clear, I'm not suggesting this is you)
  • 1 1
 @2pi: Proof that in America you can trademark anything.
  • 9 4
 I'm sure the "Stop the Steal" rallies will be so much fun this weekend.
  • 18 37
flag healthy-not-sick-biker (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:54) (Below Threshold)
 You can't blame Trump! I used to live in Oregon, but the politics were awful! It's the doggone Californians taking over every state that doesn't have absurd taxes, and are crazy enough to think that their voting doesn't make taxes go up!
  • 16 1
 Deep X territory is exactly the reason that this is a great thing. It is what it is because everyone has segregated themselves. City folk moving to rural areas will slowly start to show that everyone else aint so bad after all.
  • 2 8
flag healthy-not-sick-biker (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:54) (Below Threshold)
 @NebulousNate: Totally!
  • 8 8
 @CycleKrieg: Bifurcated ? I see four candidates + others.
Also, if you vote for that "other guy" it should be considered that the whole world has to deal with your vote and your "racist human cheeto".
Other than that, peace Smile
  • 30 24
 I don’t have time to read through every comment and check where everyone is from, but my guess is a lot of you aren’t from Bentonville, have never stepped foot there, and are basing your comments on stereotypes and ignorance.

And this might come as a shocker to a lot of you holier-than-thou liberal types, but a lot of people in conservative pockets are just appalled at your politics as you are at theirs, and would probably prefer you just stay where you are.
  • 9 2
 @Pmars88: Q HAS ENTERED THE PINKBIKE CHAT YALL AND THEIR COPING
  • 18 2
 free MAGA hat with every purchase of a bike bell or helmet.
  • 11 1
 @TheR: There are people from cities who definitely look down and generalize people in rural areas in ways you laid out. Just like there are people in rural areas who generalize cities and the people who live in and around them.
  • 18 24
flag callumreynolds (Nov 13, 2020 at 8:44) (Below Threshold)
 @usedbikestuff which probably means it's quite a nice, quiet, clean little town with none of the trash that comes in the cities run by liberals...
  • 46 19
 @TheR: Racism isn't politics. I could believe that centralized healthcare is the best thing, you could believe in privatized. I could extol the virtues of UBI and you could rally against it. Heck, I could argue that abortion is the right of an individual and you could quote your religion and argue against it. These are all political points that I can, and have, sat across the table from someone and discussed over a pint.

But racism? Racism is not a political point of discussion...or at least it should never have become one. I cannot and will not sit over a pint with someone if they are racist. That is because there is no pro-racist argument that can be constructed that is not based purely on intolerance, ignorance, and hate.

Thus, if you voted for a racist and are saying that racism is okay, I have no time for you and have no desire to be in the same community as you for there is no argument that can be made to justify your intolerance and hate.

This does not make me "holier than thou"; it just makes me a nicer person than you.
  • 3 4
 @TheR: HOW U COPIN??
  • 17 20
 @MumblesBarn: When did he say he was a racist? You completely assumed he was to fit your own narcissistic narrative that you are superior. Do you not remember what happened last time people thought they were superior to others? We had the holocaust...
  • 10 8
 @callumreynolds: yea I hear it is cozy and quaint in the winter. The burning crosses set against a fresh snow really makes people fond of the days of old.
  • 11 2
 @Hogfly: Boulder and Eugene are nothing alike. One is the anarchy Capitol of the US, the other is million dollar houses and lifestyle based trust funders.
  • 11 4
 @MumblesBarn: You’re making an assumption that the good people of Bentonville are racist. Based on what? Any interaction with them?
  • 8 4
 @Edwe1rd: Just looking forward to all the peace and unity we are going to have from here on out.
  • 8 17
flag Edwe1rd (Nov 13, 2020 at 9:04) (Below Threshold)
 every morning i wake up and take a sip of maga tears just to get me through my day
  • 16 9
 @MumblesBarn: “That does not make me ‘holier than thou,’ it just makes me a nicer person than you,” says the person who has never met me, has no idea what my background is, and has not spoken to me about any of my beliefs.

You might want to check into the definition of “holier than thou.”
  • 7 16
flag Lotusoperandi (Nov 13, 2020 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 "I don’t know, that’s deep trump territory."

So then it should really be called the Meth Capital of the World™
  • 10 14
flag Lotusoperandi (Nov 13, 2020 at 9:39) (Below Threshold)
 @TheR: "Just looking forward to all the peace and unity we are going to have from here on out."

Judging from your comments you probably prefer the chaos and sheer idiotic incompetence of the last 4 miserable years.
  • 29 13
 I was in the military for 10 years. I traveled all the way around the world while active duty (quite literally, I circumnavigated the globe). Being around and working with people with a WIDE array of opinions is something I can do just fine.

But when I am choosing the type of people I want to be around on my personal time, avoiding areas that vote to support a racist narcissist is high on my list. I already live around plenty of them in my small town in California (unfortunate side effect of having a horse), but at least I have a good union job with a pension and benefits. Curious if I can find a good job out there with these sorts of perks given how Wallyworld treats its employees...

Not all trump supporters are racist, of course. But all racists voted for trump.
  • 7 1
 @srjacobs: Gee I wonder why educated talent choose not to live there...
  • 3 4
 I'm Canadian but for US$10k and warm weather I'm in...Bentonville PM me Wink
  • 16 13
 The problem with Trump country can be summed up right here:

"TOMMY TUBERVILLE: Yeah and that’s how our government was set up. You know, our government wasn’t set up for one group to have all three of branches of government. It wasn’t set up that way, our three branches, the House, the Senate and executive."

See that? That's the Trumper just voted to the U.S. Senate by Trumpers in Alabama (ex college football coach and know-nothing extraordinaire). Yeah, Alabama....Arkansas....whatever. The point is these people hate the American government they actually know nothing about. Not even the basics of its structure (hint: Those aren't the three branches for those Trumper geniuses who are confused right now).

But it is rather fitting that a place deep within Trump country would lack enough self-awareness to call itself the Mountain Bike Capital of the World when it is obvious to everyone else in the world what a joke that statement is. Fits perfectly into the Trump model (Just tremendous mountain biking!!! Some are saying the best in the history of mountain biking, just tremendous!!!). Yeah it's great Bentonville is trying to think of ways to convince people to move there. Just lay off the obvious ridiculousness of claiming you're something you're not. And I mean, not even close.
  • 7 2
 Yeah, that's a spooky thought. I spent 10 days there in September. Bentonville felt more like a cool, small town than a haven for sh**head rednecks. Tons of variety in trails. Lots of natural tech, lots of man made stuff.
Fayetteville is rad, too.
  • 13 11
 @TheR: I apologize for not clarifying that my comments were not directed at you as an individual, but rather the collective "you" that voted for a racist. You are correct; I do not know you and do not know your background or beliefs and would never claim to do so.

However please also know that if you chose to have your country run by a racist then you are very much included in the previously mentioned collective and I do not apologize for that.

And I specifically chose to replace the phrase "holier than thou" for "nicer than you" because, as per the first amendment, I respect the separation of church and state and I choose to hold no prejudice against someone because of their racial background. By definition that makes me "nice" and if you, be it individually or collectively, are racist and filled with hate, it stands to reason that I am quite literally "nicer than you".
  • 13 2
 @MumblesBarn: "Mind altering street side conversations between a racist and a non-racist are fiction." Shhhh... Don't tell Daryl Davis. That is sort of his thing. :-)

I'm about to finish Isabel Wilkerson's "Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents" and its interesting because she addresses this specifically. That is, you can have caste system (and she makes the most coherent argument I've ever heard that what we call racism in America is actually more of a caste system) that is supported by the people in the caste system without them actively supporting it. They might even say, "I don't think X should be treated that way." But they have other issues that become tied to propping up the caste system which aren't obviously about the caste and that is what they support. On some level the caste system becomes like the matrix - we all perceive the world by that without knowing. It all tastes like chicken because the chicken is the matrix. So, as an example, you have situation where police are racist. The solution put forward is about massive systemic reform of the police to remove the racism. But because the police are the matrix, what you have is people viewing that reform as being tearing everything down. (Stupid messaging about that reform, i.e. "defund the police", doesn't help either.) That example could be repeated ad nausem about tons of other subjects.

"Vote against X even if Y is against all your values" sounds great in the abstract. But would you (you being here the people that make that argument) vote for a Republican, hyper-religious, pro-life, strict conservative, but anti-racist candidate? Because I think the answer would be no for a lot of liberal people. How about this: imagine 2016 had been Mitt Romney vs. Anthony Wiener. You could see a lot people going, "Yeah, Anthony Wiener is kind of a pervert but... I do want my healthcare and I don't want the government dinking around with my uterus..." And that same sort of "yeah, but" internal monologue was had in a lot of minds regarding the racist human cheeto. So, instead demonizing nearly 1/2 of America, why not figure out why they would rather vote for a racist than not. Because if you figure out that answer (hint: its rarely racism) you could appeal to them to vote for the non-racist candidate.
  • 2 0
 duplicate post!
  • 9 3
 @CycleKrieg: Unfortunately, you have injected entirely too much common sense and decency into these comments!

Based on the theories in your post, wouldn’t Trump have been re-elected if he had merely proposed a ban on ebikes?
  • 8 3
 @Lotusoperandi: Hey bud, calm down a bit. People aren't their politicians. It's not productive to lump everyone together. Bentonville people are pretty cool, pretty educated, and the town is nice. Fayetteville is very progressive and has a great creative scene (and arguably better MTB trails). As a native of the area and a proud progressive, I'm comfortable here and find plenty of like-minded friends and institutions. There's also plenty of people of different political leanings and we get along just fine too.

As far as the MTB Capital of the World, that's a PR stunt and it's working like a charm. I won't claim it's true after riding in in lots of great places, but I will factually say that nowhere else in the world is building trail at the rate we are. It's already incredibly special and if you rode here you'd see it. What it will be in the next five years might just be unmatchable simply due to the resources dedicated to it. Oh, and there is elevation but it's not necessarily in the Bentonville city limits.
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 @CycleKrieg: I agree with this almost entirely, and I completely agree that it is critically important to "...figure out why they would rather vote for a racist than not".

However, regardless of political allegiance, I think we can all agree that systemic racism within our culture will never be eradicated through the Pinkbike comment board. As such, in here I lean towards hyperbolic generalizations in a quest for easy comprehension and personal catharsis. Or, put another way, in "real life" I would be much more likely to engage in a dialogue with reason and empathy in an attempt to understand and, hopefully, persuade. Whereas in here the inconsequentiality brings both, at once, a sense of freedom and paralysis that forces me to comment under a weight of deafening reluctance.
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 @CycleKrieg:

Agreed.

And I think the reason a lot of those "yeah, but" conversations happened because of things just like you described. Where people are having to choose a single candidate, when no single candidate supports the entirety of their personal views.

Just like it was pointed out that hate crimes (racism) are against the law, I want to mention that Religious liberty is also written into law (first amendment). So say "you" (the collective/royal you/us/we/whoever) value multiple good values/principles/laws, but no single candidate available supports them, "you" have to make a hard choice between multiple core values. And making a mutually exclusive choice between core values is always hard, no matter the situation. Hence the "yeah, but" type of internal struggles you call out.

And, of course, it isn't technically a "two horse race". But, lets be honest, it kind of is (yay, game theory!). So votes to independent candidates usually just serve to "soak up" votes that could have otherwise been deciding votes in the outcome. They're basically votes of protest (which is also fine).

The real solution of course (and was already mentioned) is getting people that don't suck out of the primaries. Which, sounds easy... yet somehow isn't :/.
  • 1 1
 @CycleKrieg: ^ underrated comment right there.
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 @Hogfly: that’s not a nice thing to say!!!
  • 1 3
 @CycleKrieg: Oh hey neighbor! The political history of the MN iron ranges sure is fascinating. Although I’m ‘right of center libertarianish’ I use it as an example of how socialism can appeal to people that have been downtrodden by unchecked capitalism. Consolidated power will be predatory no matter what form it comes in I suppose.
Hopefully our trails open back up soon! Right now we’re kind of stuck in between riding the beater bike around town season and fat bike season Frown
  • 3 4
 @MumblesBarn: direct translation of holy= good “I’m not saying I’m a better person than you. It just makes me a better person than you...
  • 5 1
 There is only one race - the Human race.
  • 15 4
 @MumblesBarn: All these accusations of racism, yet Trump drew a larger share of the minority vote this year. What's up with that? Perhaps if you scream RACIST louder and more often, they can be thoroughly gaslit.
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 @CuyunaHTmn: Playing along with your misquotation, if you are asking if I consider myself to be a better person than someone who chose to be lead by a racist misogynist, my real life answer would be that individuals are nuanced and it is not for me to judge, but I would choose to not surround myself with such people.

If you were to take my quote as it was actually written and ask me if I consider myself NICER than someone who chose to be lead by a racist misogynist, my real life answer would be unquestionably yes. Misogyny and racism are positions of ignorance and hate. I don't know about you but the part of MN where I come from ignorant people who choose to hate others are considered to be anything but "nice".
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 Sign me up
  • 7 4
 Yeah so no riots and tearing down the city. No new wars, no attacks on any new countries and actually got attacked by the Left when he wanted to bring troops home. Terrible!! Booming economy and probably signed the best bill EVER to build more MTB trails. More terrible stuff.
  • 11 5
 @MumblesBarn: I’ll take results over rhetoric any day. 94’ crime bill, illegal immigrant children put in cages started under Obama, Biden voted in favor of our wars in the Middle East before Obama and is just as guilty of the drone strikes/destabilization during. If Barry O apologized on behalf of one innocent civilian killed via drone a day it’d take him over 3 years. So it’s quite easy for me to see who really doesn’t care about brown people. Nicer, better, whatever... the establishment is the corporate backed R’s and D’s. F*cking cnn just had John Bolton on as if he’s some kind of friend. That guy would start war with Iran in an instant. They would’ve loved to see Trump attack after Iran after they shot down one of our drones. But believe it or not he actually cared about how many people would perish and pulled back. Trumps prison reform, although not quite enough, is a direct mending of Biden’s crime bill of which he himself was the author. Get out of your echo chamber!
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 @MumblesBarn: Biden will be soft on the active technocratic dystopia that currently is China. I’m sure you’re well aware of the active concentration camps of the Weager Muslims happening in western China. At least the CCP can sell the Weager women to the highest bidder since Chinese families were aborting baby girls in favor of having boys for the last few decades until recently /s.The trans-pacific partnership was an absolute drain on our economy. If trump is out I’m sure they’ll go back to it. Tell a lie often enough and it will become regarded as truth. Thank god most of our bikes aren’t made there. Taiwan #1
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flag pcledrew (Nov 13, 2020 at 16:10) (Below Threshold)
 @CuyunaHTmn: Look at this guy acting intelligent and still cant spell Uyghurs correctly.
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 @pcledrew: Oh gee thats a huge mistake on my part! Obviously the substance of my post deserves no merit then. You know that Biden guy doesn’t sound so bad after all now that I think about it...
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 I LIKE CHEESE AND MY CAT'S BUMHOLE LOOKS LIKE A BALLOON KNOT!
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 @CycleKrieg: wow well said.
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 @MumblesBarn: so you're against racists... then I assume you hate Biden, right? Or do you just ignore his lifelong history of racism the way you ignore Trump's history of racial equality based purely upon the propaganda your TV feeds you?
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 @JSTootell: renowned white nationalist Richard Spencer, among others, endorsed Biden... try harder, or at least come up with something you didn't find on Instagram.
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 Its true. I live there and everyone is extremely racist..













(Dont come)
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 @callumreynolds: Every Lib run city turns to a cesspool and open air homeless camp. Just a simple fact.
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 @thustlewhumber: And many, MANY are not much more than human waste....entire populations of human filth. Like Pelosi and her minions.

I LOVE it when folks with >$2000+bicycles claim to be Socialist or Marxists.... .if true, the only thing they are is hippocrates and uneducated fools (or just the jealous types).
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 @MumblesBarn: I didn’t vote for Trump, but 75 million Americans did. He also significantly increased his share of black and Hispanic voters. To hold the view that 75 million Americans are simply racists and worthy of writing off, shows that you are not a serious thinker nor should anyone take your opinions seriously.

I’d maybe cut you some slack if you were a college student or a teenager whose political education was derived from Twitter and Tumblr posts. If you’re not that, you should probably endeavor to figure out what went so wrong in your life to have such deficits in wisdom, humility, and maturity. If you’re so inclined, might I suggest incorporating the art of “steel manning” in your life (construing your opponents arguments in the best, not worst, light possible). To that end, some good examples of this can be found in this podcast:

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coleman-hughes-on-big-blow-to-identity-politics-this/id1536984072?i=1000497491492
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 @JSTootell: Wally world actually treats it's employees fairly well (compared to everyone's favorite online retailer). As far as supporting skillless workers goes, Wal Mart is hard to beat. There is a lot of construction and expansion going on there, if you're in the trades it would be a good place to live.
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 @Lotusoperandi: it's pretty obvious you've never been there. There is no trail system in america with the mileage and continuity that Bentonville has, and they are building something like 40 new miles a year? It's a bold claim because great mountain biking means something different to everyone, but no matter what your favorite kind of riding is, they have it. Even steep sketchy descents and 60 ft road gaps, it can all be found within a 45 minute drive of Bentonville. If they aren't the "capital of mountain biking in America" right now, they will be in a few years.
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 @MumblesBarn: Biden has been on record as saying some very racist things, along with voting against legislation that minorities would benefit from. I'm not claiming that Joey B is racist, but I'm just pointing out he's not the savior you want him to be. We had another presidential election in America with two shit choices that don't accurately represent most Americans. Luckily the president doesn't have much effect on our day to day lives, but if we learned anything the from the last 4 years; the media sure does.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: ha so clearly your the high school dropout in these comments but im wondering why cant the marxists have bikes? did Marx say no fun allowed? or did he say the people took ownership of the means of production? I would argue that capitalists who make 6 figures and think they are wealthy (lol not even close) are the uneducated / jealous types....
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 @Edwe1rd: Marxists can’t have bikes because in every country in which Marxism has been instituted, the people are too poor to buy them and the supply is significantly diminished. If you want a bike and order today, you might eventually get one in 5-10 years. And the quality? Forget about it. You’d be riding on a 1950s Schwinn, not a Specialized, Trek or Yeti. Unless of course, you’re a member of the privileged elite — high ranking party member, star athlete or celebrity. Then you get the fruits while the rabble fight over crumbs. That’s the reality in every Marxist society that ever was. Sounds like Nirvana, right?
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 @burnermtb: You are right on and hence my skepticism in an earlier post regarding all this talk of peace, healing and unity. It’s not possible when one side holds such overly-simplified, distorted contempt for the other.
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 @TheR: this must be spoken from true experience
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 @Edwe1rd: Let’s just say I know a thing or two about the former DDR. I’ve been woken up in the middle of the night on a passenger train by armed East German soldiers who wanted to see my passport. I’ve had my tour bus boarded by armed soldiers at Checkpoint Charlie looking for refugees trying to escape and other contraband. I was behind the Wall and saw all the people walking around in their drab hats and coats from 1950, driving around in their two-stroke Trabis that they waited — according to our state-approved tour guide — 9 years to get. And she said it like it was some great triumph of the system.

I’ve interviewed former athletes for a documentary on the systemic doping in their system, people whose lives and those of their family were either rewarded or ruined based on their loyalty to the Party. Women who got cancer and were rendered sterile by the drugs they were forced to take without their consent or knowledge of what those drugs were. Who were spied on by neighbors. But they had the privilege that other did not of traveling in the West for competition. They were astounded that at the Olympics there were baskets of apples for them just available to take whenever they wanted one. Back home, apples weren’t readily available, except to the one woman whose father was a general in the army, one of the privileged.

When I lived in Munich, I owned a little orange bicycle made in DDR times in Karl Marx Stadt. I paid $35 for it. It was fine for cruising a couple miles for kicks, but what a POS.

So yeah, I’m speaking from true experience. Marxism can suck it.
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 @MumblesBarn: Lol "You don't like the Democrat's stance on abortion, economics, healthcare, or religion? Tough. Suck it up, take a deep breath, and DON'T VOTE FOR THE RACIST! Then, in the next Republican primary, vote for someone who stands up for all your beliefs and ISN"T A RACIST.

I can respect if you voted for Biden, based on party affiliation or if you feel Biden is the worst of the two evils, but don't vote for the Racist, sexist, etc... there are plenty of examples of Biden demonstrating these acts. Even, Harris called him a racist and sexist during the Democrat primary... (FYI I voted for Jorgensen, but would take Trump over Biden)

Being a minority, I have lived and travelled across the deep south, West Coast, and Mid Atlantic regions. I have experience racism (grew up few miles from were KKK had adopted a road and used to see them at local convenience store requesting donations), but I have way more positive experiences. Some of the most welcoming and nicest people where from the south and small towns.
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 @mobiller: hopefully effective
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 TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED! TRUMP WAS ROBBED!
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 @unrooted: how u copin?
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 @unrooted: you missed the KKK parade yesterday you could have worn your "Poor Bwoy Pants" and gotten all pissy
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 @madmon: KKK parade? Democrats had a parade yesterday?
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 @Edwe1rd: I slide that copin!
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 @ibishreddin: what if the only thing that makes me come is racism??? (Please don’t kink shame me)
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 @srjacobs: Oh, I get it, what you are saying is that the town is full of stupid white people.

Apart from it being a "Trump" town (and to an outsider looking in that is not a plus) would love PB to follow up with anyone that makes the move.

And a big thumbs up to the Walmart Foundation for supporting this. Hope you guys have success with this initiative.
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 @ski-bike-repeat: "An outsider looking in"? You mean, a "liberal, looking in". Because to anyone who is a Republican or doesnt give a damn about politics, it won't matter.
But man, you have some nerve to judge everyone in that town as stupid and white. That mindset is what is wrong w/ this country right now. Your racism flows freely.
  • 4 2
 @ChrisNJ: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

And, then reality sets in. One becomes what they despise the most....
  • 72 4
 Wow "Mountain Bike Capital of the World" and they need to lure mountain bikers there... We all know Whistler/Sea to Sky Corridor is the REAL mountain bike capital.
  • 39 0
 Could you imagine if Whistler/Squamish offered a free mountain bike and $10K cash? Mayhem. . .
  • 41 0
 @rrolly: $10,000 would get you are shared bedroom for the summer.
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 @rrolly: Offer open to Canadians only. US still can't get our shit together (yet).
  • 7 0
 @Davetheripper: or a camping tent in the balcony in winter...
  • 33 2
 The $10k is a consolation for when you realize you just moved to the "mountain bike capital of the world" but can't find any mountains.
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 @chriskneeland: and they gave you a Walmart bike
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 Shit, people would still go to Whistler and the lines long if bikes and parts cost $600 more and they charged you $10k to get there....
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flag sriracha (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:58) (Below Threshold)
 We all know that Moab is the ORIGINAL REAL mountain bike capital of the world.
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 @sriracha: "...ORIGINAL REAL mountain bike capital of the *Utah*"
FTFY
  • 5 3
 How many state capitals are the nicest cities in there state. It's just a bit of marketing wank, nothing to get bent out of shape about. I will say that NWA does likely lead the world in new trails being built. Whatever your opinion of the trails there they are getting a bit longer and better every week. Also they are definitely more fun to ride than Whistler during the months it's snowed over Wink
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 @Olafmetal: Coast is open year round. Also Whistler itself is just one of many stops on the Sea to Sky Corridor.
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 @sriracha: a "MTB Capital" should not be difficult to get beer at....
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 @sriracha: uh no. That would be Marin County.
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 "MTB capital of the world," yet the trails are boring as f*ck.
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 @Deep-Friar: You are clueless..
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 Anyone with a salt of knowledge and is a BC resident.... Knows the Sea to Sky corridor, is for everyone else who doesn't know where the real goods in this province are.... It's definitely not the MTB capital of anything...
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 @rrolly: Canada has VERY strict immigration laws.......rightfully so.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Ironically, our immigration system is fairly poor. Between the laws being outdated and the enactment of the laws/policies, we aren't doing very well in this department.
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 I was ready to move to Bentonville after riding there in the winter. Went in the summer, and it was oppressively hot. Not sure that I could deal with 90% humidity and 95* days.

Great for someone who doesn’t mind the heat, likes doing all of their shopping at Walmart, has a low standard for restaurant food, and doesn’t mind being in the middle of nowhere.
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 We moved here from the DC metro area. It's been a great change. 1/2 million people in the greater NW Arkansas region is a welcome change and doesn't feel "middle of nowhere". I ride my bike to town and for business errands. It's a 2.5 mile commute and we life "far" from town. I live by Coler Mtb Preserve, ride there with my kids. There is a genuine kindness in the community. Quality of life is pretty great. Other people are noticing, 43 people a day move to the region.

Our hot weather lasts about 8 weeks. There is always days in there that are cooler, and the mornings are cooler, too. 95 degrees is a rare high for us. But you know, with the heat index, 90 feels warmer. On the flip side we can ride year round. It's November and it's in the 60's.

Our restaurants are quite good, but they cater toward a more southern taste. Looking forward to more fresh and healthy options opening up here.
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 @garrettstories: Same here. I moved from Denver and also right near Coler. Cannot say enough positive things. But of course, the keyboard warriors on PB will talk sh*t just because.
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 @bman33: They will. To all the haters, stay put. Don't come here.
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 @bman33: I came here to find out when you're getting your $10k and road bike from Wally?
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flag Mntneer (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:04) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: whatever nerd. My family owns a house in Eureka springs and I’ve been spending summers in NWA since before you ever heard of Bentonville. So I’m a hater because I decide that a place isn’t suitable for me? I’m sure that you will do a lot for the community with your sensitive mentality!
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 @Mntneer: I wasn't the one talking sh*t and name calling but hey, according to you I am a 'nerd'. If the area isn't for you great, I wish you well. I am native Atlanta then Colorado for 10+ years. I am happy here now. I wish you well where ever you may be now. Hopefully you become happier than you appear now.
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flag Mntneer (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:10) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: I’m pretty sure that calling someone a keyboard warrior is name calling, shit talking. You must be living in a delusional Arkansas paradise. I’m glad that the are is so good for you
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 @garrettstories: I was under the impression that there are morons in every city and state, not just ones with conservative tendencies. And yeah, these keyboard warriors have obviously never been to BV, got some Onyx coffee, then had a Slaughter pen session with good company.
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 @Mntneer: it's a generality from all the negatives on the thread. You came at me with 'nerd'. I have an I.T. job I am cool with, happily married, riding almost daily, 1.5 miles from 20+ miles of trial, still have a piece of land in Colorado, life is good. If that is 'delusional', then I guess yes, I am a Delusional Nerd. Hope Sedona is treating you well. Few good friends there. Spent lots of time there, great hiking and biking
  • 5 3
 Screw Arkansas, I lived southeast of Little Rock for 2 years in Stuttgart, known as...

"The Duck and Rice Capitol Of The World"

Worst years of my life.
  • 5 2
 I felt the same way when I visited last year. On paper Bentonville looks pretty good. It's affordable and the mountain biking is great but the factors that you mentioned are big detractors in the long run. You have to sell your soul to Walmart if you live there. The rest of the state is Trump country and has zero mountain biking. The trails are fun but they are all machine built flow trails with no tight chunky raw singletrack. And yes, once you really look at it on a map Bentonville is very isolated/in the middle of nowhere.

Definitely a great place to visit and a unique place to mountain bike in but ultimately not somewhere to live in the long run.
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 @provin1327: 'rest of the state has 'zero mountain biking'.. your sure about that? Sounds like you didn't ride Buena Vista, or Eureka Springs or even parts of Slaughter Pen if you only saw 'flow' trails. Been here six months from being in Denver for 10 years. More trails and variety 10 min or less from my house than from Denver easily. I do miss Valmont though (I see you are in Boulder). I work for a California company and not a single riding buddy of mine works for Walmart.
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 @Mntneer: What are you, 12?
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 @provin1327: The rest of the state has zero mountain biking? It has 5 IMBA epics spread around the state, none of which are in NWA. Just because you didn't go visit the other parts of the state doesn't mean the hundreds of miles of trails you missed don't exist.
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 @bman33: The three areas you listed are in the northwest part of the state.... and yes I rode all of those places plus Buffalo River, Hobbs, Fitzgerald, Passion Play, etc (I'm guessing you actually mean Bella Vista not Buena Vista in CO?) I agree the accessibility to riding in Bentonville is amazing but there really isn't much outside of the northwest corner of the state and its mostly wide "bike optimized" and machine built. They are fun trails for sure but living in CO I'm sure you had a chance to ride some of the epic, remote, lengthty, raw mountain singletrack that you just cant get in AR. I dont get how you can miss Valmont, plenty of jump trails and bike parks in AR that are way better.

You and your friends may not work for Walmart but they own that whole town. The restaurants, bars, shops, grocery stores, it's all Walmart.

I am not saying AR or NWA sucks, far from it, but in my eyes there were some detractors. Plenty of positives too...
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 @gooutsidetoday: Oh buddy oh boy an IMBA epic it must be legendary cuz IMBA says so...
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 @provin1327: my point on those additional locations listed are not about being outside Northwest Arkansas, but for raw natural style trails. There are plenty. I was in Denver 10 plus years, the amount of trails within a 30-minute drive or less from me here in Bentonville is noticeably better than my home in Denver. Yes I did plenty of Colorado back country and was at Winter Park or Moab almost every other weekend. However, for daily riding and quality of life Bentonville to me is better than what the crowded Denver has become I don't shop at Walmart much, but the Walton Foundation has done more for the trail systems and building a bike friendly Town than Jeffco or Boulder ever thought about and the entire state is added miles of trail almost monthly. Jeffco and Boulder are almost anti mountain bikes honestly. I'm sure Jeffco is going to let clear Creek continue to develop mountain bike trails and take away mountain bikers from Jeffco because they have no interest in fostering a. MTB environment there. They've even managed to chase away the Golden Giddy up. I love Colorado and miss a few friends. However, I'm done with Front Range.
  • 35 2
 When did STEM become STEAM?
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 STEM + arts and humanities = STEAM
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 Recently... it went from a subset of education to all of education.
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 When the people with useless degrees got butthurt.
  • 10 9
 @jordon182: design degrees are far from useless.
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 @JTab23: pretty sure anything useful would fall under the engineering category.
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 @jordon182: You should really check out industrial design then...
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 @jordon182: paying for your student loans with that $30k salary will do that to you...
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 @keen515: All Educations Matters
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 @kinematix: For sure, just pointing out that the acronym no longer describes anything but education itself.
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 The "A" for arts should have always have been in STEAM, just ask that Da Vinci fella.
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 @kinematix: 50.9% seems to agree with you!
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 @jordon182: When people realized that the arts are pretty damn important.

If you don't think so, I would recommend not watching any more bike videos, stop listening to music, burn your books, and cancel your Netflix account.

(FYI, I am a blue collar mechanic type. No degree, but even I can appreciate what are does for us.)
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 @DHhack: I think I like SHTEAM better
SHHHHHTEAM!!!!
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 My STEM degree is the only way I can afford bikes. Not sure I could do the same with the A part.
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 @shawnca7: I don’t think the A degrees have helped any artist out...it seems like if you’re gonna be successful as an artist then you don’t need the degree...and by successful I mean $$$$$$$$.
  • 7 1
 @JSTootell: Where your argument falls apart is when you think you need a degree to create any of the things you listed.
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 @jordon182: Notices how nobody gives a f*ck about school, and it was heavily stressed for me basically from birth. ???????????????????????????????? YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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 @jordon182: So, most teachers :-)
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 @ccalvinjones: if you think DiVinchi was an artist who drew for arts sake, well, you must be public school educated.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: troll level +1
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 The problem is that you have to move to Arkansas. Yuck.
  • 10 2
 Yeah you'd hate it, better stay out Smile
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 Honestly, I'm 23 and this seems great, not quite eligible yet. Might have to look for jobs down there, 10k would be very helpful and could grow to more if invested along with the money I get from selling my existing MTB. It's def Trump country, but honestly talking about politics with people less could maybe be a good thing
  • 44 2
 I feel bad for your generation on this point. The "blue state/red state" binary under which you have been raised is not only toxic, but it actually has real world consequences. As evidenced by these comments, politics now plays a major factor in where people live. A big problem with this is that many young people, struggling to "adult", end up settling in un-affordable, yet "progressive", parts of the country - under the mistaken belief that "trump country" is nothing but a hellscape of religious fundamentalism, racism, and misogyny. Filter out the noise. The big secret is that tons of people in these and other similar areas are living the dream. You can too.
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 @burnermtb: it's honestly crazy how obsessed some people are with politics. You'd think you could come here to talk mtb and people still can't shut up with "orange man bad!" for 5 mins lol. That can't be a fun existence.
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 @burnermtb: This seems true and is probably a large reason we should work toward changing how our politicians are elected. Another thing that could help our country think more openly is just traveling to a place and staying for a little while. Lots of people might be surprised just how hard it is to find a town that won't welcome someone willing to share the experience of living there. It's certainly surprised me just how nice a lot of people who don't know you can be.
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 @burnermtb: so I live in Boston, 27 year old white guy. Dude, you wouldn't believe some of the looks I got from friends and family when I told them I went on a solo road trip to Snowshoe, Knoxville, and Brevard for mountain biking in October. You'd think I said I was joining the klan and going on a cross-burning tour.

Not a single issue with anyone that I met along the way cruising around in a foreign car wearing a sox hat for 8 days. I got a blowout flat on Skyline in Snowshoe and no less than 6 people stopped to help and try to plug the hole in my tire, and then in the parking lot someone saw me struggling to seat the bead on my new tire with a floor pump and loaned me a CO2 canister. Another guy saw what we were doing and he needed a patch kit for a tube so I gave him one and we shot the shit about BMWs and car racing while we fixed our bikes in the parking lot over lunch. The people that helped me on trail were from GTA, the kid that tossed me a CO2 cart was a local in WV, and the guy that I loaned a patch kit was from Columbus. I got back to Boston and someone had cut open all of the packages waiting for us in my apartment building and stole everything except for the fuel injector cleaner I ordered.

$2100/mo for a 550 sqft apartment in a city that I can't even go out in because of COVID sure does make me wish I was back in EBF, West Virginia where I didn't have cell service for 48 hours.
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 @burnermtb: The first time I traveled with any freedom was right after boot camp in the late 90's. I was in Virginia for 3 months for training, but outside of class hours I could do as I please. I bought a car and got around. My first time seeing a nuclear power plant I pulled over to take a look from across river and struck up a conversation with someone there about the plant. Of course, he was curious where I came from. My town I grew up in wasn't bad, but it wasn't great and did have some crime, especially the neighborhood I grew up in. He told me "Oh, not much happens in this area. It's pretty nice. Worst thing that happened was a bunch of n***ers robbed the liquor store not long ago."

Before cable TV, you couldn't find channel on Sunday morning that wasn't showing evangelical preaching in that area either. I don't blame any younger folks for NOT wanting to move into places with questionable morals.

Obviously, I am a white guy (less obvious, I was raised in a Christian household and my father became a preacher). I learned a lot in those early adult years. One thing I learned was that I could just travel around and meet people, and be welcomed. Would it have been the same if I was black? What would have happened if I was black and I asked that guy about the power plant? Would he have been so polite?
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 @JSTootell: Well put. I don't know what my travels would have been like if I wasn't white but I hope to be able to travel outside of the US/Canada and find out for myself at some point. I hope as gen x/millenials/z start to make up the majority of the population that we can have a more intelligent and reasonable culture as a whole. Our own biases and discriminations can't be completely eliminated but we can always choose to treat other people better and at the very least show respect for each other.
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 @JSTootell: Originally from the south, I went up north for school. When I got there, I was immediately exposed to jokes, insults, etc. about southerners being racists, ignorant, nascar watching snake handling fundamentalists. I also was exposed, to the first time, to Jewish jokes, stereotypes, insults, etc. (very small jewish population where I'm from). This was also at a very "liberal" school in the early 'aughts. I also saw the hypocrisy in that, being in new england, I saw rampant poverty and a ton of the same dysfunctions that existed in the poor south (even saw confederate flags), except it was way more expensive and far less opportunities for locals.

The point of this is not to say that New England is a racist, poverty stricken hellscape (I actually quite liked it), it's to say that crafting narratives about areas is very easy. Humans are going to human and in-group out-group dynamics, to some degree, are intrinsic. The best antidote is to gain actual experience, not read about things online.

I'm sure what you experienced happened. And politics, values, etc. does matter to a degree. Certainly, you can go to areas of the country where the predominant culture is so antithetical to my beliefs that I probably wouldn't live there. That said, I'm speaking more about these sorts of crude, wild over-generalizations about vast geographic regions based on flimsy, abstract data. It's toxic and also just plain foolish. There's never going to be a "perfect" place to live. There's always going to be a compromise of some sort. To write off vast swaths of the country and just silo yourself in highly progressive (and expensive) bubbles is basically a sure fire way to have chronic peter pan syndrome.
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 @sjma: I hear ya man. Big cities are tough and its a dilemma. If you're single and 27, I get the attraction to the city. Where else will you find that many single young people? Certainly not if you live in the suburbs or the country by yourself. But, at the same time, they're just prohibitively expensive and you're basically just spinning your wheels. Work a shit ton to pay rent to a landlord. You don't build up equity, etc. In any case, I'd say, partner up if you can, combine incomes, and move out (doesn't necessarily have to be the south - though there are many great spots). I'm not particularly optimistic about the future of cities. Lots of troubling signs after a long period of urban utopia.
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 @JSTootell: I think that has more to do with some older people not giving a shit about sounding racist. I'm from CA, and a*sholes exist here just like anywhere else. I'd love to explore the south in depth. Southern food is absolutely amazing haha!
  • 1 0
 @DylanH93: some people think that their repeating of what they hear on the tele is somehow useful...or at all accurate.
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 @burnermtb: Voice of reason.
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 @burnermtb: On a positive note, the Florida governor is making it absolutely legal to shoot looters/rioters... Because we have a very firm understanding of our Second Amendment rights as well as protecting private property... Things could not be getting better for the worker bee's in the current state of affairs.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Interesting how enthusiastic some Americans are about the idea of shooting Americans.
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 @JSTootell: Just the criminals while committing felonies....gun sales are at all time high...and those of us who read and understand our rights are big fans.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: I swore an oath to defend the constitution three times with the intent on protecting lives, not taking them. I don't need people like you telling me about your "right" to kill others.
  • 22 9
 It’s not bike capitol of the world either only 150miles and no dh and true enduro runs longer then 3min It’s all xc. I’m totally embarrass that a place would give themselves that name. With there machine built 4 foot tables everywhere you gotta crank your ass off to make haha. More like pnw mnt bike capitol of the world. More like Colorado. More like Canada more like South Africa. More like New Zealand. Great place to work at Walmart. Great place to stop by when passing through. Arkansas you are out of your league. Way out of it.
  • 9 6
 Looks like you haven't been here since 2017.
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 Yeah, the over-wrought marketing is a misfire, but certainly not fatal. On balance, I'm happy to see regions like this attempt small town revitalization through these quality of life appeals. Over time, the "best ever!!" appeals will likely settle down as the area grows and matures a bit. I wouldn't let silly marketing by over-eager civic officials detract from the fact that the B'ville area does really have something positive going on.
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 That's 150mi in the Bella Vista/Bentonville city limits. There are nearly 400 miles of dirt trail along a 36 mile paved trail corridor that runs through several communities between BV and Fayetteville... and a couple hundred more within a 30-45min drive. But I understand. When my pussy hurts from too much pedaling, I take a vacation and ride ski lifts, too. Not everyone can handle IMBA Epic rides ( we have 5 and counting). The marketing terminology may be a stretch in 2020, but check back in a few years. I wonder why these other areas never thought to trade-mark that term? And why are these same areas constantly hiring OUR trail builders?
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 @boogn1sh: That's a great and all but if you're claiming "...of the world", those are still rookie numbers.
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 @boogn1sh: IMBA Epic Rides... lol!
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 Vermont also has a similar incentive program, which may or may not be a more enticing proposition, depending on your preferences Smile
vtdigger.org/2019/05/27/lawmakers-approve-new-move-vermont-incentive-program
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 indeed. "150 miles of trails"... pfffbt!
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 @manjushr: I never understood why Vermont struggles economically and in attracting new residents while the front range is blowing up.
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 No free bike though, and you have to be able to chug a quart of maple syrup in under 60 seconds to qualify.
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 @VtVolk: cbd infused maple syrup, I take it?
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 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Vermont is legitimately rural. Our biggest "city" has a population of 42,000. The nearest real city is a least a couple of hours away and is currently on the wrong side of a closed international border, and most people there speak French.
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 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Pretty simple. Vermont doesn't want you. This isn't a dig at Vermont, it's just reality. Vermont unambiguously does not want more people. It wants to keep people out, not in. It's this weird, circular phenomena...the appeal of coming to Vermont is found precisely in how it manages to keep people out. Vermont makes you work for it, by design - which keeps most people out, leaving those few who remain diehards who love it.
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 @burnermtb: Yea, good explanation. I love Vermont and would have moved there at one point if I could have found a job. Vermont is stuck in time - which is good and bad - great place to visit for sure.
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 It would be cool if Walmart paid a living wage so those folks that work there could enjoy some mtb...
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 How much is a living wage? @Tsoxbhk
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 @ricochetrabbit: enough so that my tax dollars do not go to supplement their wages. It's simple really Walmart is the biggest welfare case in the USA.
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 The minority of Walmart employees in NWA are going to be store associates. The corporate employees are payed a bit better. The way Walmart treats associates is shameful, but I don't think this program is aimed at anyone who is going to become one.
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 @ricochetrabbit: I think OC was referencing all of the other sales clerks working in the actual stores nation wide.
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 @ricochetrabbit: One. Million. Dollars.
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 @Tsoxbhk: bruh this is amerika if your taxes arent helping your neighbors in the scenario youve described above, they are just going to a reitred cops savings account or to buy more tanks for the troops. In no way will you ever have a say in how your taxes are allocated....

that being said walmart is one of the most despicable employers in the world and these guys still sit on the board of that company no matter how much money they throw at mountain biking.
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 @ricochetrabbit: good question - at the minimum in places like bentonville....prolly 15 an hour (after taxes) and in a metropolitan area probably closer to 20.
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 Yeah, this is my objection to the current Bentonville = MTB Mecca idea. It's a pet project bankrolled by a fortune that was made on the absolute maximum exploitation of labor, sometimes illegally so, through the entire supply chain, foreign and domestic. Walmart is easily the worst store-level employer in the US, and I feel that supporting anything they bankroll is tacit approval of their garbage business practices.
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 @ricochetrabbit: A living wage is basic food and shelter and a new $10k mountain bike every year.
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 Let’s say you own a pizzeria in Manhattan..you gonna pay your counter staff $20 a hour? @Edwe1rd:
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 Well. How much?
I live in Naples Florida. How much should my “living wage” be? Give me a number @Tsoxbhk:
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 @ricochetrabbit: how much does the pizza cost? I am sure more than it does in Florida. You should be able to make enough from a full time job to not have to live on welfare. It's simple really. Do you think the biggest employers in the 1950s where relying on the government to pay the difference of their employees pay? That is what Walmart is doing. This is why the wealthy have gotten so wealthy and the top 3% have all the money.
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 @Tsoxbhk: "bUt TaXeS = sOCiaLiSm" these clowns really think were coming for their 6 figures....buddy stop flattering yourself. You havent even sniffed "rich"
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 @Edwe1rd: ha totally.
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 @ICKYBOD: the ironic part is that Walmart all the time argues for higher minimum wages, then they price out competition and take over the area. With all the covid stuff, I fear how big Amazon and Walmart are becoming.
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 I will tell you exactly how much a large cheese pie in Manhattan coats. About $20. So about that “living wage”...gonna pay your counter staff $20 an hour...each? @Tsoxbhk:
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 Quit worrying about how much other people make and worry about how much YOU make. @Tsoxbhk:
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 @ricochetrabbit: weird I live in Bend Oregon and a large cheese is like 30 bucks from a good pizza place. And I will quite worrying when my money isnt supplementing the rich so they can be shitty.
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 That’s a rip off. Especially since it’s pizza from Oregon. In regards to the “rich”. Why do you think you have the right to tell people what they should and shouldn’t do with their money they earned? How is your money “supplementing” them @Tsoxbhk:
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 @ricochetrabbit: jesus dude it is super simple. Cool you think the pizza here is expensive or you just have no idea what the f*ck you are talking about. They make a ton of money by not paying a living wage and then relying on government programs to pick up the slack and give their employees food stamps and shit like that. Why cant they just pay their fair share of taxes and also pay their employees a living wage? Should they be making millions of dollars on supplemented wages? I do not think so. This is basic shit and why there is basically no middle class in the US anymore.
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 Give me a number. HOW MUCH IS A “fair share” and how much is a living wage. It’s a simple question. @Tsoxbhk:
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 @ricochetrabbit: how many 20 dollar pizza can you make in an hour? Jesus your not making Florida look great but then again nobody does. How about taxing corporations like we used to when we had a middle class. 1978 corporate tax rate was 48% over 500k. Now it is 21.... I make a living wage where I work because my company values me and the owners are liberal. I got a bonus this year and paid more in taxes on that bonus than Trump has ever paid in federal taxes. Is that normal? My dad on the other hand has been doing the same job since the 90s. He was making $17 an hour in 1994.... guess how much he is making today..... basically the same thing.
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 Great shit, I'm a software engineer in Prague, Czech Republic, take me away. Please.
  • 2 0
 Really? I heard that the girls there are beautiful... dunno about MTB so much but Michal Prokop videos there shows really good trails
  • 11 2
 @trelleder: The girls are f*cking hideous. They are beautiful in Ukraine where I'm from originally. And I'm married anyway. MTB is quite fine, can't argue with that, but then there are low salaries, bureaucracy, taxes, rent prices, shitty groceries, trash everywhere and crime levels through the roof.
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 Hahaha those are the SAME problems w/ my country... everyday getting worse
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 @YanDoroshenko: Crime?? I just moved here from Denver . The crime in Denver is ridiculous, the crime here is close to zero unless you are being facetious. The trail scene is fantastic and only growing. Come see for yourself
  • 7 1
 Yeah... I'd take Prague over Bentonville any time of the day.
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 @YanDoroshenko: sure the beer is good and cheap tho
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 Well, I looked at it out of curiosity, you need to be eligible to work and live in the United States, so...
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 @trelleder: Can't be that much crime in Antarctica, surely
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 @Arnoodles: Penguins, they are shifty and really good at extortion.... beware. Big Grin
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 @YanDoroshenko there is no pork knuckle, kafola or tank beer in Arkansas Smile . Trails are pretty good, but not THE BEST in the states. but it is a very inexpensive place to be.
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 @spenceratx: Kofola is the f*cking shit, I will be missing it for sure. The rest though... *I don't even like local beer*, but don't tell anyone. I actually enjoy the watery donkey piss kind of beer more. Guess I'll be banned from Pinkbike for that, but what the hell Big Grin
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 I used to get upset when people expressed the usual visceral negative reaction to hearing "Arkansas," but now I'm thankful for it because that reputation keeps a lot of undesirable people out of the great state.

Oh, by "great" I meant it's horrible, too many hillbillies, half my neighbors didn't have teeth when I was there. You'd hate it!
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 @bman33: I'm kinda disgusted to see all the shit talking about Arkansas, especially when they're really doing something cool. I'm from CA and I'd love to visit Bentonville. Truthfully I'd love to get out of CA when I'm done with my degree. Our state government is an absolute joke lol.
  • 9 0
 Man, I've traveled this country incessantly for work for over a decade, flying twice a week to different states. Absolutely there's good people everywhere. But I will tell you there's some places you don't want to be immersed in the prevailing culture. Regardless of housing prices or Walmart family incentives.

On the money:

"I like talking to people with different views but tend to draw the line at people who believe in devil worshiping world-wide pedophilia rings. But that's just me." -MumblesBarn

"Yes, because having a diverse neighborhood full of racists, misogynists, and crazy Born Agains is incredibly appealing to a lot of folk who do not share those views." -PMarn88

Choose based on prevailing culture first...then big box store incentives.
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 Just curious as to why the majority slant on here is focused on the fringe/conspiracy right... and how that is linked to "the south". Just sayin
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 @bradheck: Serious question?


Big topic, but could start with
Jim Crow Laws & lynchings and go from there?

White supremacists groups?

More recently overwhelming support for Trump? If genuinely unaware of his extensively documented racism, could read up on court cases over racist NY renting practices, the Central Park 5, Native American casino racist attacks, racist proposals for The Apprentice, demanding Obama's birth certificate, "good people on both sides" among other quotes, etc etc.

How about that vote in Alabama on Amendment 4 to remove racist language from the state constitution just receiving 33% against in the last election.

Beautiful place, but holy sh¡t does the south have some history with the far right.
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flag bradheck (Nov 13, 2020 at 12:49) (Below Threshold)
 @DirkMcClerkin: I know about these darker points in the history of the south and they are shameful. Unfortunately, lynchings occurred throughout the united states with documented cases throughout New England, the upper midwest, and the expanding west as well. No doubt, there were more in the south. Very sad part of our country's past. There were many "Jim Crow" laws/statutes/regulations in place in northern/union states as well. Again, more prevalent in the south, but, if we are going to have an honest conversation, we have to be honest. I am a Right leaning Libertarian. I perceived the overwhelming Trump support to be around his platform on reduced regulatory influence on businesses at both the domestic and foreign level that resulted in an amazing economic boom. I know there are other smoke and mirror contributors to the economy but there have been since the end of the gold standard and the creation of the Fed. Regardless, this was an economic boom that was enjoyed by a lot of demographics that historically miss out on some of the economic upswings in the US. A sin, is a sin, is a sin in my book. Sin doesn't choose its political party. Anyway, I was just intrigued that a group of folks where many spend more on a single bike than some families in a socially repressed demographic earn in a few months would also bemoan capitalism. Hell, I may be way off point... could be the rona stay at home checks that everyone is using to buy up the high end bikes - I have a couple friends that own bike shops and they are sold out into the end of 1st quarter 2021. Anyway, we have a great country and are blessed to be free. I still enjoy riding my bike. Happy trails and here's to a healthy and blessed 2021.
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 @bradheck: A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn is a great resource for a more accurate history.
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 @DirkMcClerkin: A fantastic book, PB is the last place I would have expected someone mentioning it!
  • 10 0
 Meanwhile in Jefferson County, CO (home of Yeti, Spot, Alchemy, Reeb, Commencal) city officials are probably considering paying mountain bikers to move away.
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 I recently moved to Bentonville from Denver (was there 10+ years), and it's scary how close you are to the truth, especially in JeffCo where most of them are located. Now Floyd Hill....that is going in the right direction
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 @bman33: I'm split on Floyd Hill. I think it's a step in the right direction but my theory is that Jeffco will see Clear Creek stepping up the game on the MTB front, and will just let them put in all the investment $ to take the bikers away from Jeffco. My buddy at COMBA told me that COMBA started working with Clear Creek just because JeffCo will not do anything -- they had to work for 3 years just to make those minor adjustments to Dakota Ridge.

And as someone who pays f*cking tax dollars to JeffCo, I would like to ride in my own damn county. White Ranch Open Space has 5,300 acres and less than 30 miles of trails.
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 @fullendurbro: I have two or three friends living in JeffCo who are echoing your thoughts. JeffCo never ceases to amaze me with the utter disdain for MTB'ers, many like you who pay a damn pretty penny to live there. 90% of trail work days saw MTBer's only doing all the work, but come time for civic meetings like the sh*t show that was the Apex/Enchanted rework last year just further proved they just don't care about bikes. I still love Colorado, but Front Range...not so much.
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 @bman33: You're spot on. 90% of trail work was done by Golden Giddyup, and they just shut that down permanently.
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 The marketing is obviously overstated, but everyone I know who's been there had great things to say. And you've gotta respect them for actively building an MTB friendly place. Kudos to Bentonville, I say.
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 Honest question: when did Americans divide into two camps, make the person you vote for once every 4 years THE defining feature of a person and not miss a single opportunity to bring hated political leader A or hated political leader B into a completely unrelated topic?
And why does 'Trump bad... Trump voters bad... Me not move to bad people area' have more upvotes than any decent and insightful post about MTB? Believe me as an interested outsider when I say there are enough decent people as well as complete idiots on both sides of the political spectrum. I detest mouth foaming and violent screaming SJW's just as much as the racist idiots with the swastikas thinking that because you by chance were born with low melanin levels you are somehow superior.
/Rant
Let's just keep the political fighting for the idiots on both sides and talk about things that connect people, like, I don't know, mountainbiking?
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 We have over 750 miles of singletrack with huge dh runs that can last as long as you want, a lift accessed bike park, and mtb was *arguably* invented here. How is Bentonville the mtb capital of the world?
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 It’s not. I promise. This add should be taken down. And bentonville banned from mtb publicity. Claiming that when they are in battle for trails with mo and Kansas and Texas.
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 What's the vertical drop on the "long" runs/trails. Seriously asking.
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 Well Colorado seems to be in a daily fight to kick MTBers off the trails and make sure MTBers 'know their place' and Bentonville seems to actually want the MTBers- so there's that.
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 @ICKYBOD: After 10+ years living in Denver I can confirm. I love Colorado mountains/mountain towns and thankfully due to my job, will visit often. That said, Front Range especially (JeffCo) is staggeringly anti MTB in many ways. The best trail near Front Range in years is Floyd Hill...and it isn't JeffCo.
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 @JDFF: Anywhere from sub 1,000 to 3,000 depends how much you want to pedal/shuttle.
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 @gunnyhoney: Thanks. A 3,000' vertical run? Thats legit, hopefully some folks out there building rowdy trails. The impression i get is that its a lot of machine built blue trails. But never been there, so can't have an opinion.
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 @JDFF: We have a lot of quality trails with fun natural features but definitely nothing like the PNW with the wood features and man-made stuff everywhere. Different kind of riding in different places for sure but I like smashing dh for 10+ minutes after dying on a long pedal so to each their own lol.
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 @JDFF: Don't get me wrong tho the PNW looks so sick just way above my pay grade with those big features lol
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 @JDFF: I'll give you my limited impression (I live in Idaho- but I travel around a lot). Colorado goes everywhere between extremely rough natural feature riding in Grand Junction (it's a short hop from Moab and it doesn't look much different) all the way through more alpine type groomed stuff further north. It seemed that more trees = more groomed, but like I said, I'm not a local. It does seem like a pretty great state to ride in, but there does honestly seem to be a pretty organized anti-mtb group there.
  • 13 2
 "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
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 Yea, but it's damn good time.
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 ok just so everyone is aware - Walton bros still have plenty to do with walmart. So they can spend fun money on getting cyclists to move to their town, but they can pay countless walmart employees a decent wage with decent healthcare?...
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 But if you give the poors more money, they might not spend it on what you want them to spend it on! If you are a business genius who made your fortune through...*checks notes*...inheriting massive wealth produced from f*cking over your workforce for decades, you clearly know how to best use it.
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 Green Card included?
Over the hills and gar away Wink
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 The trails in NWA are pretty great & there are a shitload of them. Over 400 miles last time I checked.

Ironically Bentonville has the weakest trails in NWA at this point. Bella Vista, Springdale & Fayetteville all have much better trails.
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 @ICKYBOD: from the videos I've seen, Bentonville looks really cool. Not much natural tech but fun flowy groomed trails. You saying that Bentonville sucks or that the other stuff is even better than BV? You're making me want to move to AR if you're saying it gets even better haha.
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 @DylanH93: This says it's at me, but I'm not sure to what it's referring. I don't think I did anything delete by mods worthy and I didn't delete anything. I've never been to Bentonville. I give them thumbs up for fostering a good bike culture. So if I said anything that implied anything else- sorry.
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 @DylanH93: Bentonville doesn't suck .... it's just kind of gotten homogenized a bit too much for me & is too crowded most of the time now. I rarely go there anymore myself. The other trails are way more fun
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 @ICKYBOD: hey sorry about that. Just noticed yesterday whenever I tried replying to someone it kept going back to you lol. My phone is weird like that.
  • 6 0
 So, is liberalism considered superior to conservatism in the MTB rider world? Interesting thread
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 @ICKYBOD: you'd think PB would be one of the few places left where people could just shut the f*ck up about politics. It's already everywhere if you're trying to argue why your political views are morally superior lol. I come here to escape all that bs.
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 @DylanH93: hmm, wonder why still saying @me on replies? I'm fervently antipolitics on bike forums unless the politics are specifically about bikes.
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 Oh man the urge to move to Bentonville gets greater all the time. Trails literally right outside your door and all throughout the city, southern cooking, not a city, etc. That all sounds pretty damn killer. At minimum I'm definitely going to make a trip there one day. From what I've seen on youtube, they're killing it with their mtb culture over there. Hopefully more towns implement these kinds of ideas.
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 Trade the bike cash for an opportunity to celebrate Arkansas' diverse cultural heritage!

"Participants that don't want a bicycle can swap it for an annual membership to one of North West Arkansas' arts and cultural institutions."
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 It's only a deal if they have a monorail... Wink
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 I hear those things are awfully loud.
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 @SketchyD: It glides as softly as a cloud!
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 Do you still have to purchase your own banjo?
  • 4 0
 I'm from the South and that was hysterical! The PC police need to chill out.
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 @BetterRide: Arkansas is more known for the blues then bluegrass...Johnny Cash was born there but he wasn't really known for banjo playing either.
  • 3 1
 As someone who has lived in NWA my whole life I find this 'Life Works Here' program" odd at best & embarrassing. Seems like they could spend the money on much better things. Trying to over populate an area that has already outgrown the infrastructure seem irresponsible IMHO. The traffic around here is worse than most big cities on busy days. Took me 3 hours to get from Bentonville to Fayetteville once after a Friday ride....25 miles!
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 I dirtbagged it down there last winter. I’ve never seen so much development in one place in my life. It appeared as if they’ll have to very soon rethink their entire transportation infrastructure at the rate they’re going. I’d probably commute as much as possible by ebike if I lived there with how nice the greenway is.
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 Hey, did anyone else log on this morning and remember seeing this:

www.pinkbike.com/news/move-to-bentonville-and-get-a-free-mountain-bike-and-10000-cash.html

And now the article title say's '$600 towards a mountain bike'?

Either it changed or I didn't pay attention... but I am pretty sure it changed.
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 No it totally changed after I saw it as well. Took a shit deal and made it even worse.
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 Does it rain less than 1000 days a year there? If so, I'll have a bit of that! Oh, does it have mountains?
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flag Dirtsurf102 (Nov 13, 2020 at 6:25) (Below Threshold)
 No mnt. All xc. Huge lie pink bike. Far from mtb capitol of the world. Not even close. It’s in a battle with Texas and Kansas
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 @Dirtsurf102: Pinkbike didn't proclaim it, Bentonville itself has claimed they are the mtb capital.
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flag Dirtsurf102 (Nov 13, 2020 at 7:33) (Below Threshold)
 @cgdibble: That makes since. They be in complete need.
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 @Dirtsurf102: You have like 6% of all the comments hating on Bentonville- what did Arkansas ever do to you?
  • 2 0
 There's a few great trails with elevation in the Ouachita Mountains in Western AR, but Northwest AR is pretty flat. They've made a science out of squeezing a lot of fun from the little elevation they have, lots of jump lines and stuff like that. Not much big mountain stuff like in Appalachia. Frequent rain in the spring and fall but it isn't terrible, and some trails drain well enough it doesn't matter.
  • 2 0
 **2 free bikes to choose from; the Hyper Contagious which is pretty fast and aggressive with almost no travel, or the Hyper Sensitive Poutus (it’s fully rigid with limited control).
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 It's pretty rad, ride year round and a little bit of everything, bring legs cause there's probably more trails to ride than you'l have time to hit. I moved here last year so looks like I'm gonna miss this incentive, but riding every day out my back yard for the last year is a nice consolation prize.

If anyone wants to come check it out I've got an AirBnB backing up to the trails:
www.airbnb.com/rooms/39275038
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 Title doesn't make sense, should it say "$10,600 towards a mountain bike, or two."
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 They may have 150miles of MTB trails, but it's not like Crested Butte, CO quality trails and scenery. Bentonville is still quite flat. The elevation gain in their nearby hills is not but a few hundred feet. Beautiful mountain vistas are not thing in Bentonville. They may be recruiting 10,000 jobs, but realize most of those are likely direct hires to Walmart or contractors to Walmart. How many people want that affiliation that work in STEM fields? And then there's ticks, tornadoes, venomous snakes and spiders. Yes much of that is relevant to CO too. And then there's the issue of proximity to anything else of interest, there isn't. I think Bentonville is going to be a tough sell, but they may recruit a lot of people from the OKC and Tulsa area. Bentonville would be a noteworthy upgrade for them. I don't see Bentonville stealing talent from the front range areas of CO though. The high quality and low cost of living and those little incentives are appealing, but the whole package still isn't enough. I had the "pleasure" of living in north central Oklahoma due to one of my spouse's former military assignments and we frequented the trails of Stillwater and OKC, OK...so flat, so winedy, and so many ticks...don't miss that at all. We made the best of it. Bentonville would be only a slight upgrade from that.
  • 2 1
 I have traveled to nearly every state in this great country and none of them are perfect, but there are various aspects that I can appreciate nonetheless. I'm not surprised by all the negativity, but why don't you just come check it out for yourself before making general assumptions? I'd be more than glad to show you around this beautiful area on a bike and let you draw your own conclusion. I promise you'll be welcomed with open arms, respected no matter who you are or where you're from, and you might even leave Oz with a different perspective on life. Heck I will even loan you a bike if you need one!
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 As far as the combo of affordable living and good mountain biking Bentonville is hard to beat. The trails are all pretty awesome. The only thing I'd miss are long descents. I've found the people to be pretty friendly. Yep, it's Trump-land, but I think the majority of mountain bikers either aren't Trumpers, or are smart enough to to keep their yappers shut about politics. The food scene could be a lot better, so if you're used to good restaurants, you're going to be limited. I've considered the move because I could pay cash for a house, and easily fund a pretty sweet van. Alas, family and good weather will probably keep me in Colorado for a long time.
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 I'm surprised about your view of the food scene. I was there for two months this past summer and found some incredible restaurants. Had possibly the best tacos of my life, had incredible indian food and 100% the best ramen I ever had at Ramen Nara.
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 The NW Arkansas culture is not really like the rest of Arkansas and is a great place to live, it just needs better marketing and programs like this to attract people in the STEAM fields that tend to think the only place to be is the west coast. But, no place is for everybody. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the overly groomed trails, but there are plenty of other options for more natural singletrack, and it's nice to have the variety. There's also proximity to miles and miles of unpaved roads and trails and rivers running through the Ozarks for other kinds of outdoor activities. My family loves it here, good people.
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 Walmart supports MTB, yet everyone shops at Amazon...
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 I go to great measures to avoid both.
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 @chriskneeland: same same
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 @chriskneeland: Amazon is my literally last resort. Walmart is my literal second to last resort. And I mean that seriously.

On the other hand, Jensons warehouse is right at my local trails.
  • 3 1
 Don't fall for it.. Middling biking, a soulless town. Good for the area, I guess. Working with what they got but I'd hardly plan a trip there.
  • 10 9
 Joe Biden gave eulogy speech at senator Robert Byrd funeral , former member of the KKK. Just imagine the field day the media would of had if Trump did that. Is this Trump country?
  • 3 1
 That’s an interesting topic in regards to political alignment that most don’t know. Think it’s near died off and gone anyway though hopefully.
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 Byrd referred to his membership in a 2005 memoir: “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one's life, career, and reputation. Paradoxically, it was that same extraordinarily foolish mistake which led me into politics in the first place.”

Meanwhile, present day Trump welcomes David Duke's support with open arms.
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 We need to start PAYING people $10k to LEAVE Colorado....
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 Puke.

Puke is the only word I can use to explain how I feel about this.

Also, @pinkbike. You should know better that to post this kinda bs...
  • 2 0
 awesome! Move there instead of CO! It really does suck now with all you asshats moving here, dumbing down the trails, starting fires!
  • 2 0
 Already had it in March. Took over 6 months to recover. Shit completely sucked. But it's everywhere now. Still would prefer my kid in school.
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 I don't know how pinkbike comments work. Please let me die in peace.
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 Why do I have to be as thick as pig sh*t, this sounds like a sweet deal!
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 woo pig sooie?
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 What wheel size is the free bike;-) ?
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 24/29 - the ultimate mullet
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 @sdaly: Thank you!
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 Interesting to observe here that, in Benton County, Arkansas, Trump beat Biden 62-35. Good times!
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 I moved here from Denver recently (too late for the $10k). I'm a moderate, socially pretty liberal, fiscally conservative. 1) I ride more now than I did in Denver since I can be at 4-5 different trail heads right out of my garage in 5-10 minutes 2) I cannot say enough how welcoming EVERYONE is here 3) the little town has a fantastic and inclusive vibe 4) the scene is only growing 5) I just took in my homeless cousin and her child and the amount of assistance I've had with them the last two weeks has been overwhelmingly positive. Maybe you should go outside and actually talk to people & realize the world isn't what the news media wants you to hear. This is a great place, you should stop by, have a beer and ride some trails and see for yourself.
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flag Phillyenduro (Nov 13, 2020 at 6:21) (Below Threshold)
 Cool idea, except that, during a global pandemic, "going outside and actually talking to people" in a place where your governor, your senators, your congressional rep, and your state legislators are all Trumpists is reasonably likely to kill you.
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 @bman33: I think people not talking to others face to face is likely a big part of the problems we've got right now. Most people are nice and pretty reasonable in real life.
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 100% on point @alexhyland It's easy for folks like the guy above here to talk sh*t from behind a keyboard and have zero clue how folks actually are, vs a stereotype or pre-conceived notion they have. I encouraged him to step out of his bubble , I would even welcome him into my home. However, he would rather be a negative for the sake of negativity.

Not sure if you even saw the write up Pinkbike did a year of so ago on this area @Phillyenduro. Part of the reason I moved here. MTB scene permeates the entire region. That said, my house was broken into in Denver, the bike theft and petty crime was thru the roof...here in Bentonville folks leave their garage doors up with zero care (everyone has a nice bike or two in them), close to zero crime and despite your rosey opinion, not a single person is 'likely to kill me' as you opine. Great folks all around, guess folks in Philly just like a negative view or is that just you? I welcome you to visit, crash at my place.... turn off the news... trails are ready! Rubber side down
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 @bman33: Great comment. It's a very weird thing how many people today take their abstract understandings of politics as a guide to determine where they will live. It often results in romanticizing "progressive" areas while demonizing "conservative" areas, but with hardly any practical understanding of what that actually means in terms of day to day living. I have a life long "activist" relative who recently retired and he and his wife's dream was to move to Portland because they had this really romanticized view of it. So they bought a condo downtown and made it about a year before moving back east to a suburb. What sealed it for them was that their grandkids came by to visit and during one walk in the city, they witnessed a man publicly defecating and two people od'ing on the street. Combined with the nighty, undeclared "street war", they, the "progressive" couple, had to get out.

Political obsession is incredibly unhealthy and ultimately, not even beneficial to the obsessed. It's benefitting others who profit off our political outrage. Tune out the noise.
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 @bman33: I think when he says people are “likely to kill you,” he’s referring to COVID. I’m not sure how old you are, but for my age group, it has a 99.3 percent survival rate. But why don’t you just go ahead and get in the coffin now?

Other than that, you’re 100 percent right. People are making these judgements based on politics, likely having never having been to a place. And a lot of these people might be utterly shocked to learn that the good folks of Bentonville (or other conservative places) want nothing to do with their politics, either.

The older I get, the less I want to live in a city. You mentioned Denver. Drive an hour in snarled traffic to get to an overcrowded trailhead? Forget it. You can have that. I’ll bet I’d like the speed and people of Bentonville, but damn I can’t abide by Southern heat and humidity in the summer.
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 @bman33: As one of those locals I appreciate the truth bman. That’s ok though if all the outsiders think they are too good somehow. Keeps the area small and not too busy.
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 @TheR: Front range of Colorado blows for mountain bikes. Mind blowingly congested trails. Trail runners, hikers, horses going every which direction. It's madness.
I ended up driving the NW Arkansas this summer just to ride non crowded trails under tree cover.
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 @ol-sidewinder: The Springs is not horrible, but on weekends, especially Saturday mornings, it's starting to get like skiing on the weekends -- something I'd rather avoid.
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 @ol-sidewinder: I mean...isn't Enchanted /Apex 'Good to Go' right now? It took me several years to admit to myself I didn't really gel with Front Range trails. I was up at Winter Park with my DH bike during the weekends and avoided Front Range as much as I could. I did used to live near Ruby Hill and I really like the new Floyd Hill set up, but calling that Front Range is a stretch.
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 @bman33: thank you! I'm not even from the south, from CA. But it's pissing me off seeing all the shit talking about such an awesome idea. No place is perfect and Walmart needs to clean up. But what they're doing with that town is absolutely amazing. Sure places like whistler may have better downhill but Bentonville is literally merging the town with the trails, I'd kill to have that where I live. But heaven forbid someone have different political views than you, clearly that makes them evil!
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 @DylanH93: Yeah the Whistler comparison is silly, since B'ville is going for a formula of merging work-life considerations. Sure, if all you care about is trails, go to Whistler. But very few people, save young folks with no obligations scaping by on service jobs for the summer and living a "bike bum" life, can live there. B'ville is for people with serious lives, but who also want MTB'ing to be a real part of it. It's a shame really because I think it offers a great model going forward for many areas (particularly in whatever the post-COVID world looks like). Its all the rage now to talk about building smaller communities that are plugged into the remote-work and are relevant for the future. Here a town tries that only to get dumped on for doing it.

And the thing is, re politics or cultural issues, look, B'ville is specifically targeting outside STEM (or "STEAM") types, acknowledging that there's a skills gap locally. They're literally inviting people with huge incentives from demographics that are likely more like-minded with the very people dumping of B'ville in this comment section. You basically can't win.
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 @ol-sidewinder: This is a good realistic observation. I suspect Bentonville will eventually follow this trend since it is being hyped in the same manner that the front-range was/is. Housing may be cheap their now, but watch, it'll go up just like it did in Denver, Boulder, Colorado Springs, and Fort Collins. That just happens with an influx of STEM professionals. That's certainly why silicon valley is insanely expensive too.
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 @SuperHighBeam: It will go up, sure, but it would take quite a long while, if at all, for it to get really crazy. Mostly what happens when you get "booms" in these parts of the country is that it gets expensive relative to the surrounding locale, but still overall affordable. It's kind of like say the Raleigh/Durham area...it's "expensive" relative to other parts of NC, but really affordable relative to the entire country.

The bigger risk is that these areas tend to get "sprawley" once they boom. A lot of this has to do with the fact that there's so much room to grow and these states tend to be more than willing to let them. The real kicker in making things hyper-expensive is when you have the influx of professionals PLUS a culture which adopts NIMBY'ism. Areas like Arkansas don't have that as much. As things get expensive, growth just moves out. Sprawl introduces its own problems.

There's no great solution. There's always a tradeoff. You want to keep things small and nice, the tradeoff is runaway expense. If you want keep growth and affordability, the tradeoff is sprawl.
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 @burnermtb: I’m strongly hoping for no sprawl. I’ve been around that before and that’s one of NWAs draws. You can get out of town and in the sticks to unplug so easy.
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 @bman33: " I can be at 4-5 different trail heads right out of my garage in 5-10 minutes " --- Not having to use my car is one of my metrics for good quality of life. In this thread I've seen people reference BellaVista, B-ville and Fayetteville. I'll visit someday on my way to WNC. Which (or another) locale has the most trailheads close enough (10-20 minutes) to pedal access? Thanks for any guidance.
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 @Yodelingdog:

It’s hard to beat either Bentonville or Bella Vista for connectivity to trails. The other cities in the area are working toward it but not there yet. Blowing springs park might be the best. You have the blowing springs trails, then back 40, little sugar and the Lake Bella Vista systems all right there and connected via trail. You can also pedal to Slaughter Pen proper on greenway usually from there (major interstate exchange construction has that blocked right now).
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 @Yodelingdog: I haven't been to Fayetteville yet, only living here for 5 months, but I here they have some great trails as well. I am right next to Coler MTB preserve myself. I can pedal to Slaughter Pen in 10-15 minutes, Bella Vista I can drive to in 10 minutes. The whole area is cutting trails like mad.
I used to live in Atlanta and visit Western NC. Lots of great trails there as well.
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 @bman33: Fayetteville is rad, the new trail called Fayetteville Traverse connects Kessler & Centennial (aka Millsap mountain) and it's a hoot, I believe it's going to eventually go under the highway to connect to Mt. Sequoia too. Not fully done yet but I scoped it last weekend. Kessler is more handcut raw stuff than the Bentonville trails, Centennial is going to be a popular spot once it's completed. They're building CX and XCO world cup courses there, but there's some rowdy drops and gaps on that hill too.
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 @davidccoleman: I have been reading up and talking to friends about Fayetteville, definitely will be checking out some trails in that area soon. The other thing I am ready to hit up is the new Railyard DJ/bike park over in Rogers 20 min from me. So pumped on the entire NWA scene and variety for sure... happy in my move to the area
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 And a job at WALMART????
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 Eh, IDK. How about $100k? Smile
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 Cool place to ride, I don’t know if it would be a cool place to live though. Hence the $10k+bike incentive.
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 Mountain bike capital of the world. Have they been to BC?
  • 1 0
 I don't know what the true MTB Capital of the world is... but I'm positive that you don't have to bribe people to move there.
  • 2 0
 Wow $600 for a bike. You can't even get a carbon HT from those boys at walmart for that!
  • 1 0
 I looked and there doesn't seem to be ANY STEM jobs. I guess that $10,000 is supposed to sustain you until you can get in with the IHOP.
  • 1 0
 Is that an Ellsworth Specialist on the pic showing the city hall? Love that bike design!
  • 2 0
 Wow you really had to go and blow this up after I submitted my app huh.
  • 4 2
 Full face and no knee pads says enough. Pass.
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 You're gonna need to pony a hell of a lot more to get me to move to a shithole like Arkansas.
  • 2 1
 Not to mention the great beer over at Bentonville Brewing Co. Mmmm home wrecker!!!
  • 2 0
 Reminds me of that Simpsons Alaska advert
  • 1 0
 "Mountain bike capital of the World",no less...damn, that's some title!
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 They can claim it. But we all know it's Whistler.
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 @learningcycles: Whistler is a vacation destination. This initiative is focused on a place to live and raise a family, 2 very different objectives.
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 @davevdw: So the capital of something is somewhere I need to be able to raise a family? How about it be somewhere that provides the best of said "hobby" or "sport?" I have a family, I get it, I couldn't live in Whistler. Just this claim to be the MTB Capital of the world is a disgrace to world class riding everywhere else.
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 @davevdw: yes yes whatever, we all know Arkansas is not the MTB capital of the world, and never will be.
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flag Dirtsurf102 (Nov 13, 2020 at 6:26) (Below Threshold)
 @learningcycles: Exactly. Or aus. Or South Africa. Or Colorado. Or pnw. This place if arkasnas giving themselves this name Hahaha. There in a battle with Kansas and Texas for xc territory only. Iv lived thee for a year. Came back to mnt quick af
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flag Dirtsurf102 (Nov 13, 2020 at 6:55) (Below Threshold)
 @learningcycles: Agree. Arkansas should be banned from mtb publicity. This is true fake news and a disgrace to all the true valuable mtb spots in the world and true trailbuilders. Places where champions actually ride and keep riding.
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 @learningcycles: Yep the mountain bike community knows Whistler is the mecca of the sport ... a far cry from Bentonville. Again, on US land, the better location for that claim has got to be Crested Butte.
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 That's right usedbikestuff - They'd likely be more successful attracting the talent they desire by turning the tides on their politics across the state. And how does the $100M for racial equity (pledged by the Walmart Foundation this last summer) across the region intersect or perhaps counteract with the relocation initiative. Does it make more sense to hire people from the within the area who have family and a sense of place there?
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 Can’t wait to see all the hyper-defensive locals show up to defend the honor of their boring trails and intolerant neighbors.

The trails are overrated, if it’s not 100 degrees it’s raining, it has all the culture of an Applebee’s and the most racist town in America is 90 miles away (look up Harrison, AR)
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 Yeah thats gonna be a no from me dog.
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 Marketing is a STEAM job right? Give me $10,000.
  • 2 1
 Kudos to Bentonville for this innovation!
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 Missed that by a year dammit...
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 Whistler/Squamish/Fernie/Neslon: "Am I a joke to you?"
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 Obvisouly not from round 'ere, is it a shithole?
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 Bentonville Arkansas ? Yeah , ride there and you become target practice for the Gun toting Trumptards .
  • 1 0
 Does it snow in Arkansas?

Winter is coming.....
  • 1 0
 Moved to NW Arkansas last fall, we got 3 inches of snow last winter. There was not a week that I didn't ride all winter, if it dipped below freezing it would be back in the 40's and 50's a few days later. Really mild winter.
  • 1 0
 Bring your own opioids...

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  • 1 1
 They have to shift those hyper bikes somehow....
  • 3 3
 Some might have a problem with the Confederate statue in Bentonville.
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 It has been moved
  • 2 2
 DO US Canadians get a bonus of free health care?
  • 3 0
 Hell no! You get the even better option, your beautiful, shiny, unrestricted, perfect choice of care.*

*choice of care entirely dependent upon suitable income level, insurance, and locale. You are otherwise free to go bankrupt, or die in the street like a dog.
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