Cannondale have released the first proper footage of their new downhill bike and it confirms that the new bike uses two shocks to provide damping, one with a piggy back in the downtube and one without in the front triangle. Check out the video above for more information on the new system.
| Downhill is the ultimate proving ground - a place where relentless innovation requires fearless determination and a bit of creativity. For Cannondale, downhill racing is a kindred spirit, an attitude that has pushed the boundaries time and time again. Cannondale returns to the sport after a decade-long hiatus, bringing new knowledge and a fresh approach. We are here to test, here to learn and here to race.—Cannondale |
It would have been easy for Cannondale to produce something similar to the GT Fury, as both brands are part of the Dorel Sports group, however it's cool to see Cannondale going their own way and reaffirming their status as the mavericks of the mtb world. There's no word on whether this bike is a final production model or not but we're aiming to get our hands on one as soon as possible to learn what the system is all about.
So yeah I expect people to know Arraiz. As for 2Stage, for me that was just coincidence.
Only twice as much.
The old 2stage (i owned one) (a preproduction to be precise) used 2 seperate shocks to control different parts of the travel. the top shock handled the first 4 inchs and pedaling around a low pivot.
Once you blew through that the high pivot engaged and you had more support in the lower part of the travel and bad pedalling.
this design is splitting dampening and spring duties. the top "shock" appears undamped.
the lower is controlling the dampening. letting both work separately. Like a trophy truck i guess
Funny how tech everything goes full circle, oh yeah and for anyone reading this a Trek Session looks like a Turner Afterburner/Kona from the late 90's.
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This design is entirely different from the 2stage. What you see here actually only has one spring and one shock (damper). They're mounted in different locations though so that each has a different leverage ratio. Typical Arraiz design; genius, and uncompromising.
I don't know much about 2Stage. I saw that picture on the cover of NZMBR magazine and I've been looking at it in the next couple of years, but they really seemed to have got mainstream attention so I don't even know how well it performs. I do agree it is indeed very different from this Cannondale bike, if it has separated the damping and spring units in different parts of the linkage. Kind of bummer though that the NZ brands aren't getting that much attention. There is often some unique stuff brewing up there. Obviously Zerode is well known. But for instance it baffles me how this American brand (forgot the name) is getting props for being the first to develop a high pivot trail bike with idler pulley whereas @craftworkscycles has their ENR and no one notices.
It’s al right now
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Edit: And now I want to know the story about Mike "Kakah" Levy.
Edit: The timestamp is 1:52 . Everywhere else there is a regular shock
Anyone out there with more moto experience shed any light on how exactly this set up helps?
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If you cannot then dont buy a bike with high end suspension in the first place. You wouldn't spend money on high end car parts without realizing that the cost of upkeep is high would you? Same with bikes.
ShockWiz says: "F#*@ing coil shocks!"
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Translation: Noone's going to buy our dumb proprietary shit so we're not even going to put it up for sale.
To me this makes the impression that cannondale wants to market something as new and innovative, that in fact is just a complicated way to do something that is already easily achievable by other means.
The rest of the layout looks pretty straightforward but this adjustment has thrown me. It looks like you can use different travel spring setups without changing the wheel travel. Or something.
It could just be normal geo adjustment kinda stuff, but it looks too big a change. And you'd end up not being able to use the dampers full travel in all modes which would be odd. I don't really get it.
"So half a click of rebound down on the top shock, but 1 click up on the bottom shock with 2 clicks-up of hi-speed on both, one click of low-speed on the top, 2 clicks on the bottom."
Wait wut..?
Also, there's some weird cable-end or bolt head sort of thing over rear-end of coil-over spring, the top one. Is it some cable actuated stopper?
Cannondale: “Hold our beer... how bout a regular fork with dual stanchions but we aren’t going to stop there... we are gonna up the ante and also double the shocks! No one will see that coming!!”
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quite earlier than the armageddon... although both designs use the addon for a different purpouse to the newest one...
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Why only having two shocks in the back if you also can have also two in the front?
How do you know it isn't a problem? Do you ride at WC DH level pace, do you have any experience with spring and damping rate tuning at this level?
Why do high performance cars, motorbikes and trucks use coilovers instead of separate springs and dampers?
If you look here =>
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The coil spring with fitting rate just can't be monted on their enormous damper. Both of them having the same progression curve, only the average leverage rate being different.
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Need I remind you?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDJun7bLjo
Cannondale: looks up expired patents on bikes that millennial kids never heard about.....KARPIEL BRUH
youtu.be/qBn9-3LYQRA
#neversimple
He was the champion once upon a time.
Not interested or not the right rider?
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But seriously, I have found that through the years cannondale has been a company that has tried to push the envelope on design just for the sake of being different. I have been following Cannondale since the start in fact my first real mountain bike was a 1991 SM500 fully rigid, followed by a 1993 DeltaV front suspension Headshok. If you look back at Cannondale's designs you will notice that they did things differently and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. For instance their Headshok front suspension. For the most part it was a good idea that worked better on paper than in real life. But they did get some recognition for some of their other ideas like being the first bike company to use aluminium for bike frames with oversized tubing and thin walls. That was a technique that was huge at the time and is still in use today.
But cannondale wanted to be that company that wasn't like the rest of them. They wanted to standout and do things differently just for the sake of being different. Take a look at the lefty. Last time I looked they were sticking with that horrible design. They only people that like it are the people quirky enough to buy one and use it. To me it is just an idea to make them look different and standout. But with that comes a million different problems. I've worked for bike shops for over 10 years and some of them were cannondale dealers so I do have experience with cannondale and their failures.
My relationship with cannondale ended back in the late 1990's when I owned 2 canondales.....one was the deltaV and the other was a brand new Super-v full suspension. I had the Super-V in the shop more times than on the trail when I first got it. Of course I also had issues with the older Delta-V and the headshok on that bike. One day I decided to take the older Delta-V out for a ride since it was having less problems that the brand new Super-V. So as I am Just Riding Along I come up to a log across the trail I have jumped 100's of times. This time would be different because as I pulled up the front end and prepared to kick up the back wheel I noticed my forks seemed to be getting longer. All of a sudden the front end was very light....then I realize that the Headshok had exploded and my forks were flying off my bike only to be caught by the front brake cable. I prepared for an emergency crash landing but what I didn't expect was that the steerer tube of the forks had come inward at me like a weapon and impacted my collar bone as I hit the earth. After I stopped tumbling I got up to look at my bike was in 2 with the front wheel and forks separated from the rest of the bike.
Without going into 6 more chapters of this already too long story I will say that after speaking with Canondale about my extreme dissatisfaction with them coupled with my injuries their legal team thought it would be best if Canondale would buy both of my bikes back at FULL RETAIL price even though 1 was 6 years old. In return I would agree to never buy another cannondale product again for the remainder of my life.....I couldn't sign the paperwork fast enough.
What that has to do with cannondale releasing a new bike with 2 shocks, I don't know.....oh yeah, cannondale tries to be different for the sake of being different not because it can improve an existing product.
cannondale:
everyone: nevermind
Sad really.