You probably already guessed without reading that Transition's latest Scout is longer and slacker than its predecessor, but the geometry isn't the only thing that's changed. The new Scout has 140mm of rear-wheel travel (up from 130mm), a 150mm fork, an all-carbon frame, and it's still rolling on 27.5" wheels.
The bike is available in three different builds and as a frame-only option. Prices range from $4,499 USD up to $6,599 USD. The Scout with the mid-level GX build that I've been riding sells for $5,499 USD and has a full SRAM GX drivetrain, SRAM Code RSC brakes, Stans Flow S1 Team wheels, a RockShox Lyrik Ultimate RC2 fork and RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate shock.
Scout Carbon Details
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Travel: 140mm (r) / 150mm (f)
• Full carbon frame
• 64° head angle
• 430mm chainstays
• Weight: 29.8 lb / 13.5 kg (GX build, size M)
• Complete price: $4,499 - $6,599 USD
• Frame only: $3,199 www.transitionbikes.com
Frames are available in sizes XS to XL and all bikes fit a water bottle in the front triangle. The build kits are finished off with handlebars and a seat from Transition's house brand Anvl, along with Sensus grips and a OneUp dropper post.Frame Details
Visually, the lines and contours of the Scout's carbon frame are a bit different than what we've seen from Transition in the past. According to Transition, this new aesthetic is achieved via a latex coated EPS molding process that allows for sharper frame lines and tighter edge radius control.
All of the bikes can fit a water bottle inside the front triangle, and there are two bolts on the underside of the top tube for mounting tools or accessories. Cable routing is internal...for the most part. The rear brake cable is routed externally for ease in serviceability. There are ISCG05 mounts and riders can run a full chainguide if they so wish. There are sealed Enduro Max bearings which are covered with bearing shields to keep out muck and grime on the main pivot.
Other details include a threaded bottom bracket, molded chainstay, seatstay, and downtube protection with the chainstay/seatstay protection also designed to quiet chain noise in rough terrain. The frame will clear up to a 27.5" x 2.6" tire.Geometry
The size medium Scout has a 460mm reach and 604mm stack. The head tube angle is 64-degrees, seat tube 77.2-degrees, wheelbase is 1217mm, and all sizes of the bike get 430mm chainstays. There's a good deal of standover height, and a shorter seat tube than before, which makes it possible to run a 120mm dropper on the XS, 150mm on a small, 180mm on a medium and up to a 210mm on the large and XL frames. The previous Scout had a 10mm shorter reach, degree steeper head tube angle, slacker seat tube...you get the idea.
There aren't any geometry-adjusting flip chips to be seen, but Transition say it's perfectly acceptable to run a 160mm fork on the bike as is, with the 57.5mm stroke shock, or with a longer 62.5mm stroke shock that would up the travel to 150mm. Suspension
Originally, the Scout had 125mm of travel paired with a 140mm fork. In 2018, the bike bumped up to 130mm of travel paired with a 150mm fork, and now, in its latest iteration, the Scout has 140mm of rear-wheel travel paired with a 150mm fork.
The Scout comes from Transition with 140mm of travel delivered via a 205 x 57.5mm stroke shock that has a 24.5% leverage rate progression, a big change from the last generation that had only 11%. That should allow the bike to work with both air and coil shocks without any issues.
The air shock on the bike comes stock with one spacer, which leaves garage mechanics room to tinker and add more or less ramp up as the bike moves through its travel. Transition recommends that riders run 28-30% sag, but say that they can run anywhere from 25-35% without really throwing off the way the bike rides. I experimented around with this a good deal and that's true, and helpful for those looking to dial the bike in for a little more or less squish depending on how and where they may ride. I settled closer to 30% for my preferred setting.
Riders can use a 62.5mm stroke shock on the Scout in order to up the travel of the Scout by 10mm to 150mm. Transition provides recommended sag settings for this right alongside the other shock on the back of the seat tube.
The Scout is available in two different colors and as a frame only option.Ride Impressions
Transition says that the Scout is what they would call a modern-day Bottlerocket. If you're not familiar with the Bottlerocket, it's a bike that Transition made well over ten years ago that was short, nimble, playful, and very capable, especially for its time. I had one and I still wish I didn't get rid of it despite how much bikes have advanced, as it was one of the most fun bikes I've owned.
I've been riding the bike in Western North Carolina on all of my usual trails. With the suspension set up as Transition recommended, I settled on running about 30% sag in the shock, which was 147psi with 64psi in the fork.
I was impressed with the efficiency of the Scout while climbing both long grinding fire roads as well as in more technical terrain. There wasn't a lot of bob in the suspension and I never felt as if I was being bogged down. In addition, the seat tube is effectively steep enough to help keep my weight forward and keep the front end on the ground even when things pitch up.
Descending, the suspension is active and supple. There wasn't a bit of harshness in the initial part of the stroke and there was ample traction. The bike is easy to pop off of anything and everything, if you so choose, and doesn't lose composure when it gets up to speed either. Also noticeable is how quiet the bike is. The chainstay and seatstay protection do a phenomenal job of quieting chain noise.
So who's it for? The new carbon Scout is for riders who are looking for a versatile and capable 27.5" bike that's all about delivering an extra-fun time on the trails. It ticks the nimble and playful boxes, and it's a bike that I truly enjoy riding in a variety of conditions. As an ode to the Bottlerocket, the Scout delivers and then some.
Keep in mind that I've only had a short time on the bike and these are very initial ride impressions and not a full review. I'm looking forward to riding the bike more and gathering more concrete thoughts in the coming months.
I rode with the Transition guys last year, they were riding prototypes with this new shape, it’s quite desirable, a huge improvement, to my eyes.
The scout has always been a short wheelbase short chainstay playful poppy bike.
This is more slayer geo than the current patrol (same angles but longer reach and wheelbase)
Which is great for going faster, but the scout was always about goofing about....
Yep! Transition should've left the Scout be as it was for the segment of us that just want a fun bike and aren't concerned with all out "enduro" speed. They've got the Patrol for the trend stuff
Hope you’re right. I will demo one for sure, but wheelbase is longer than most enduro bikes!
Companies like ibis can get away with tons of builds because theirs bike come completely disassembled, transition on the other hand sends their bikes just about completely built. Which means if demand is higher for a specific build they cannot easily adapt to the change, as once the bikes are being sold, they are already built and packed up. In a perfect world they would just build bikes to order, but then you would pay a premium for that, because believe it or not most bike companies aren't trying to totally bone you with the price of their bikes.
Let alone them needing to get the build kits for a reasonable price in the first place.
I mean for sure a steeper head angle makes for quicker steering and there are lots of benefits to that. BUT, then your "stuck" with having a nervous descender which is "also" boring!
So although there's no getting past the long wheel base and having to muscle the bike around sometimes I do thing newer geo is a better "overall" compromise for a fun bike...?
Yeah, the carbon 29ers are notorious for small clearances. Smuggler is even worse.
Should have just polished the frame. Lol
I feel a massive amount of riders are being forgotten about in this latest push for extreme geometry. This is great in the PWN, it isn't great in a lot of other places.
If you don't know what I mean: compare old VW Polo, Golf, Passat and Phaeton with current Up, Polo Golf and Passat. Also compare old freeride bikes with current Enduro bikes (same travel, just as slack and longer and lower).
1st golf = new up!
don’t worry. Specialized and Trek will always cater to the masses.
I feel like MTB is going to go through what Road bikes are going through now fairly shortly. For a while, the road bike market was completely dominated by over the top super fast racey ass road bikes. When gravel came along, instantly road race bikes fell off massively in sales as people were real with their needs and could admit they weren't gnarly enough to need a race bike.
MTB is going to have a similar renaissance as well. We're throwing agility and quick handling out the door to pursue THE MOST EXTREME GNARLY HARDCORE bikes we can, and frankly, they just don't sync with most of the riding population internationally. People are going to go back to being realistic about their needs instead of trying to chase numbers on a geo sheet, and I absolutely cannot wait for it.
I think a large market segment would do well with a 67ish degree 120/130 trail bike. Those bikes are getting harder to find as the market changes. That's my point.
Exactly. So many haters are pining for the past. Transition is in a lose-lose if you listen to the commentary: if they stick with the old bike, they aren’t with the times; if they update the bike they’re killing the golden, nostalgic past. Bikes evolve. This one looks rad. The old version, which is still out there to ride, is also rad. Everyone can have fun on the bike they like.
New patrol is going to have to be longer and slacker still.
I don’t see how this can be as playful and as poppy as the old scout when it has more agressive geo than an XL capra!
Couple thoughts: the ETT on the medium seems super short (593). Dan you're about my height, did it feel cramped while seated?
Also, kind of bummed to see the Scout move into all-mountain category with its wheelbase and travel numbers. It was kind of cool to have a BMXy MTB with relatively short wheelbase and snappy head-angle. Now it's just another long-barge. Oh well, that's where the trends are headed.
I will say Transition has been a great company to deal with, especially since I've now cracked my chainstay a fourth(maybe fifth) time and they're always helpful. I'd love to support them more but I wish they kept the Scout as it was but made it a bit beefier, for those of us that love this bike for the wild child it was.
also, since this new scout is so similar to the og patrol, im now thinking of getting a '17 patrol carbon to go with my '17 scout and then decide which i like better. you can get those for cheap now.
Finally. Both my SBG bikes had atrocious bearing wear on both of those main pivots.
Re: the comment in the video about power washing - You didn't have to powerwash your bike to have issues with the bearings there. I certainly didn't powerwash it and riding around these parts (It may have also been my weekly Butter Gap jaunts...), those bearings would get toasted within a few weeks or months. Both of my Transition SBG bikes had issues with that lower bearing, in some cases seizing after less than a month.
I think it has to do with our dirt, which seems to be a bit sandy esp. in certain areas. When it finds its way past the bearing seal, which the SBG models has openly exposed, the bearings seize quickly.
Forgetting my experiences, if you compare the exposure of that bearing to every other bike in the same category, none of them have such a large, open space where the bearing is directly exposed. All those I've looked at have some kind of spacer or dust cover over the bearing rather than depending on the bearing seal to keep everything out on it's own or, alternatively, the pivot is further forward on the frame, so it isn't in the path of debris from the tire.
Unfortunately I don't think that exists. Anyone know of any?
I never had an issue with pre-SBG Transition bikes, Santa Cruz, Giant, Specialized, or any other brand I've owned. Only Transition's SBG gen bikes.
I've avoided transition bikes for this reason, even though I really like how they ride.
Here in the PNW, I hear "horror stories" about this, and while I'm not afraid to work on my bike, I didn't want to commit to that much potential maintenance time. So I'm really glad to see them resolving the issue. Now just have to wait for them to trickle this down through the rest of the lineup.
(And the squared-edgy look is waaaaaayyyy betterer!!!!)
If they make it: take my $$$$!!! I’ll take it in “Transition Blue” preeeeeze!
Absolutely loved my TR450 and my Patrol... they’re prices have grown substantially, not to mention the value to price point in comparison with other companies (Namely direct to consumer companies) is somewhat lacking.
Transition has lost me. Rad company though, doubt that’ll ever change.
Internal routing cleans up the frames aesthetics. How many times are you actually going to replace your brake hose? If it's that hard to do, use a cable routing tool, either make one yourself or buy one.
If we are slating internal routing then why have they bothered with chainstay internal gear routing? It's just odd. Like an afterthought
I normally bust levers or Shimano pistons way before I need to start unrouting hoses. Quick swap at the affected end with a bleed and we're off
Working in a bike shop doesnt mean you know everything there is to know.
Also i didn't say anything about "cutting hoses" as i said previously, It pays to know!!
I do not trust you, show me some credentials
Also with some frames having guided cable routing it's going to be quicker to route a cable through the frame than fit on average 3-4 cable ties. Also best practice is to replace barbs and olives, so cutting those is normal unless you have a connectamajig style fitting. Knowledge is everything mate!!
Whats wrong with at least having one bright or poppy color in your range?
My 2016 Patrol (Alu - 155/160mm) has been a beast for everything it's had thrown at it, Alps, enduro races, uplift days, Scottish Munros (bit heavy for hike-a-biking) and endless UK trails both sloppy and occasionally, even dusty!
Going to be fun getting to grips with a new toy.
and I am not an expert by any means..
steap HA - less rolling resisntnce but not good when downhill
Slack HA - Stable at speeds and going downhill but slow going uphill...
Really just think about it, why would changing the angle of the forks affect rolling resistance?
The 78 ST helps though...
...and 29" wheels.
Maybe i am wrong then... will do a bit of research now !
I'm def curious to check out the new scout. Lighter, more squish, more progressive, and slacker! There will always be pros and cons to new bikes. I bet the new one is still playful and also more composed.
(so you can disengage the clutch), XTR shifter and a Hope short chain guide.
On A 10-42 cassette you can run a medium cage derailure. Deactivating the clutch on the rear mech allegedly allows the rear suspension to cycle more freely.
I found I rarely used the full range of my 12 speed setup. Plus when i smash a rear derailure its 70-100 bucks to replace instead of 2-300
This is a 140mm trail bike with a 64 degree head angle, more bike companys are getting closer to what was considerd "extreme geometry" that Geometron has had for some time now.
This looks like it might be a bit bigger than I'd want though at 140/150 with a 27.5 HTA, but I'd love to ride it to find out.
People almost NEVER remove their brake lines; they just bleed them--which is done at the caliper level.
You guy’s heard this somany times already but... just same bike and design and frame just different bike name on it...don’t know why its not excit me anymore...
Like watching recent NBA... they are all fall better player then before... but all shout three point and same dunk shit like all other team do....
I know ever bike is amazing now.... but all tge bike looks Similar situation make me bit sad hahahahah
Probably only me...hey nice work transition as usual guys!!!
There is Robin's egg blue. Now that's hard core.
Is the Trunnion mount with bearings?
I have a 29" but my N+1 will be a 27.5"
Still, quite some of them being announced lately
the other annoying thing is for the rear brake because you have to cut the existing olive off and install a new barb and olive. dont necessarily have to do another bleed but its always safer to.
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