PINKBIKE FIELD TEST REVIEW
Pole Onni
Words by Matt Beer; photography by Tom RichardsWhen it comes to Pole's newest enduro / DH bike, there are plenty of ride characteristics to discuss, but first let’s look into the unique looks and construction that make the Onni stand out in a crowd, and blind them, depending on how the light reflects.
This entire frame is cut from aluminum blocks instead of tubing. The front triangle is made up of two halves and then bonded together like a clamshell. Making up the rear triangle, the arms bolt together to form a dual-link suspension design that drive a 65mm stroke RockShox Vivid Ultimate air shock.
The Onni can transform into three modes: downhill, “down-duro”, and the 160mm travel enduro model we have on test. That requires swapping out the rear shock for a 70 or 75-stroke shock and shorter yokes, plus a longer fork from 170mm ZEB Ultimate.
Pole Onni Enduro Details• Aluminum CNC'd frame
• Travel: 160mm / 170mm fork
• Wheel size: 29er or mixed wheels
• Dual-link suspension design
• 63.5° head angle
• 79° seat angle
• Reach: 437, 467, 497mm
• Chainstay: 448mm
• Sizes: K1, K2, K3
• Weight: 16.5 kg / 36.5 lb
• Price: $6,952 USD
• More info:
polebicycles.com What about swapping between rear wheel sizes? All you need to do is simply install your preference - no need to alter any geometry-saving flip-chips. According to Pole, riders wishing for a 29” wheel will be looking for steeper angles anyway.
Our test frame arrived with no way to mount a water bottle, but Pole has since added the ability to carry up to two bottles, one on the top tube and the other under the downtube. I tip my hat to the tidy looks of the integrated seat clamp, although the two-bolt design requires attention to torque the bolts evenly and eliminate the post from slipping.
Outside of the SRAM AXS components, a list of unconventional parts further separates the Onni from the norm. Braking duties are called upon from Hayes Dominion A4s and mounted to a 50mm rise Title AH1 bar. Mavic’s alloy Deemax wheels are laced with bladed spokes and a hub that relies on just 15 degrees of engagement. For such an exotic-looking bike, especially one made in Finland, the Onni's $6,952 price tag is fairly reasonable.
ClimbingDon’t judge a book by its cover. The industrial looks of the Onni are gangly, but it’s no slouch on the climbs. Three of those key factors lie in the seated position, suspension, and ground clearance.
All functions of excellent pedaling performance in any bike can go out the window if the seated position is disregarded. Pole has chosen a steep 79-degree seat tube angle that positions the rider over top of the bottom bracket, so there’s no worry of slipping off the back of the seat. That’s backed up by an even weight distribution between the wheels and avoids unwanted wheelies with a 448mm rear center.
Up front the slack 63.5-degree head tube angle can flop from side to side in tighter switchbacks, although that can be managed by arranging the bar height to suit whether you want the bike to shine brightest while climbing or descending. This area is always going to be a compromise that swings in one direction.
As with other bikes that have steep seat tube angles and slacker head tube angles, the effective top tube can sometimes feel cramped. If you’re on the upper limits of the frame size, you might need to actually move the seat further back in the rails to open up that zone, or even consider a larger frame size.
The suspension lends a helping hand to keep it riding high in the travel, and it's efficient enough that the climb switch saw minimal use. There's a good deal of support at the beginning and middle of the travel, making this a bike that generates speed well when pumping through rolling terrain.
The relatively high bottom bracket height means that there's no need to worry about smacking pedals when pedaling through chunky bits of trail, although the flip side to that geometry characteristic did show up while descending.
Descending The Onni has a seriously stiff frame. When ridden through the bike park brake bumps and on other high speed chattery sections of trail, the frame sends that feedback through the rider. That stiffness also made it challenging for the wheels to find grip, since the bike literally wants to vibrate out of turns. When it comes to comfort, the Onni is the polar opposite of the Chromag Lowdown.
Not even the most “coil-like” of all the air shocks, the RockShox Vivid, could add much small bump compliance or save it from severe bottom-outs. I played with the rear shock pressures, hoping the Onni sitting lower would take care of that compliance issue. Of course, that only went so far and led to blowing through the travel even on more mundane compressions along the trail. Even with a progressive suspension curve and hydraulic bottom out control, the Onni still lets you know when all of the travel is used. During one or two of those “oh shit” moments, I thought I left the rear half of the bike behind.
Jumping back to the high-speed corners, staying planted is a challenge due to the high bottom bracket. It’s tippy, difficult to feel secure when railing high-speed turns, and can even feel like the front wheel will tuck easily if caught off guard when turning through undulating terrain.
The Onni isn't a bike for someone that wants to be carried down the hill on a soft pillow. It requires an attentive, active, and strong rider, ideally one that doesn't mind the challenges that come from the higher bottom bracket and unforgiving frame. The fact that it can also be configured as a downhill bike does give it an element of versatility that not many bikes possess. Theoretically, you could ride it in enduro mode when the lifts are closed, and then install a longer shock and a dual crown fork and have a 200mm DH race machine when race season begins.
Technical ReportMavic Deemax wheels: I barely recognized the black-out Deemax wheels because the last time I had these underneath me they were bright yellow 26" hoops. These wheels use straight-pull, bladed spokes and Mavic's unique UST rims construction with a fully enclosed inner rim surface. The ID360 ratchet design gives off a sound similar to a DT Swiss hub and have 15 degrees of engagement, although I'd prefer a tighter degree of engagement for faster pick up.
Title AH1 35 alloy bars: Aside from the high 50mm rise, these alloy bars from Title are built with and 8-degree backsweep and 5-degree upsweep. They don't use the same flex characteristics as the unique square shape of the FORM model handlebars, but added some comfort to the Onni. Plus, they receive the EFBE TRI-TEST GR badge of trust.
Hayes Dominion A4 brake: Another welcomed component bolted to the Onni were the four-piston stoppers from Hayes. Its funny how their system hasn't changed in five years but they seem to be gaining traction with high-level riders and elite teams lately. The power turns on with what I'd consider the lightest action of all the popular brakes on the market, even more so than TRP's DH-EVO, plus along you can adjust the reach with a dial and the pad engagement with a small allen key.
neither has anyone else.....
ie, the "high BB" would have sagged a fair bit more with when it has 200mm of rear travel, rather than 160mm of travel right, plus hitting a different part of the leverage curve?
It would seem their other bike (Vikkela) would have been perhaps more appropriate to review for a trail/enduro bike perspective? It has things you'd expect from an enduro bike... like space for a water bottle. And the max rear travel is a bit lower.
Worth investigating for sure. Swapping shocks, and checking the linkage/pivot bearings for binding or something would be a nice addition (or maybe sending it back to Pole to have them look at it if they can't find anything).
I was mostly thinking of the BB height (because the dynamic sag is less with a shorter shock), and maybe something weird with the leverage curve due to that.
What you're talking about does happen when you short shock a frame with the same eye-to-eye. You chop off the end stroke, making the rest of the kinematics more linear, still wouldn't affect the top-out proggression.
Interesting. I must have missed that.
I see in the article that they have different yokes for the shocks, and in the specs now I see that the shocks for the trail/enduro/downhill bikes have different eye to eye measurements (as well as strokes). Looks like the enduro one uses a 60x230, while the downhill models use 75x250. So that should roughly equalize like you said.
The chopping of the leverage curve though could explain why it was bottoming out easily though couldn't it? At least if the progression is mostly towards the end of the stroke? And if you are having to increase the pressure to keep from bottoming at that end, that would make it less supple at the beginning of the stroke would it not?
The leverage ratio is 3.2 to 2.3 That is considered progressive.
do you read the instruction manual on how to wipe your butt too?
"sine wave kinemetics". it's ludicrous and rides the same....
That 3.2 - 2.3 leverage ratio works out to 28% progression, which is pretty progressive.
Is that for the 60mm stroke shock on the enduro variant? Or is that for the 75mm stroke DH version (ie, the full leverage curve)?
It's crucial to emphasize that adjusting chainring sizes will have a pronounced effect on both anti-squat and pedal kickback characteristics. Smaller chainrings will amplify these factors, while larger ones will mitigate them. Additionally, our anti-squat demonstrates a decreasing trend towards the end of the suspension stroke.
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Offtopic: We pride ourselves on presenting the stiffest frame in this review while being one of the lightest bikes. Our bike is fully metal built, equipped with a complete metal build featuring even T-Type and AXS dropper post, and registers a weight of 16.8 kg.
Pole: No
Pole: Also, no.
1 bike from a brand that likely won't survive until next season
2 bikes that seem to be generally disliked (with black Deemax rims!?!?!)
2 bikes with solid, but maybe underwhelming reviews
No pressure on Nicolai, Ibis and Trek then... That being said, love seeing some oddball/compromised/niche bikes actually getting tested together. Way more interesting, and kinda points to why bikes are looking similar- stuff that's too different just seems to miss the mark more.
Could be good reading for sure, but a similar comparison with all the big players is much more useful info if you're actually gonna buy something.
jokes aside i like the boutique aspect too but once a bike is not near the benchmark i wouldn't call the boutique bike any good just becaus it's different.
I get that a certain degree of politeness is expected when reviewing a brand, but this group test is making it easy to read between the lines while remaining constructive. Thumbs up.
Also my opinion is biased as I used to ride an evolink and thought it was awesome.
I see most enduro bikes coming in around ~343-350 mm BB height and ~25-30mm BB drop.
Part of the issue with this bike will be both the absolute height of the BB (~15-20mm higher), and the fact that it offers less drop - which won't give you that coveted "in the bike" rider feeling.
It has bags of small bump compliance and the bottom out resistance is tuneable with the HBO function and volume spacers.
Sure you don't have to believe all the marketing hype surrounding the shock (or anything actually) but it is buttery smooth, great small bump sensitivity, good mid stroke support and takes a proper slam to get it to bottom out (but only the o-ring inspection later and the threat of one's knee collapsing indicate a bottom out on the trail).
98 kg rider on an Arrival 170 for rider weight/ bike reference purposes.
1. “High bottom bracket is unsettling through fast turns”. No way. Even in the video they said that once they found the sweet spot, the got used to pushing the bike around. They said something along the lines of the fact that it was a smaller sweet spot to find, but they could still get there. Coming from a Spesh Enduro to my Voima, I initially thought that as well. However, I found that after a good month on the bike, the sweet spot to push the bike is very easy to find. There is a learning curve to figuring how to ride the high bottom bracket, but once you figure it out, it is awesome. The clearance for climbing roots technical trails is a huge bonus, and the clearance for clearing really chunky downhills gives me a huge confidence boost on the trails. I love the high bottom bracket, and after riding it on my Voima for almost a year now, I wish more bikes did it. I do not see a single drawback to the higher bottom bracket in terms of handling. Yes, you do have to get used to it, but I would also say that every time I get a new bike it takes me month to really get the bike sorted out.
2. “Stiff frame transmits trail chatter to rider” Yes, aluminum is stiff, no doubt. Compared to the smooth ride of carbon, it does feel different, but I would not say that it “beats you up.” I bet a nice set of carbon wheels (Enve 630’s or Zipp 3Zero Motos) AND a carbon bar would smooth that out, but still give you the lively feeling of a metal bike. I’ve taken my Voima to bike parks before, and it is a super fun bike there (yes, I realized ebike to analog is not an apples to apples comparison) and there is something to be said about a fun aluminum bike where you can “feel” the trail. I also put carbon bars on all my bikes because I do think they take a LOT of trail vibrations away (may be the placebo effect, but I think carbon bars ride smoother). I guess what I’m getting at is that I do not think a stiff frame that transmits trail chatter is a negative. That can easily be spun into a positive that the bike does not feel “dead” or “disconnected” from the trail.
3. “ Lacks small bump compliance and bottom-out resistance” I feel like this was something in suspension setup. I have a hard time believing that such a big bike lacks small bump compliance. I also would put a coil on this bike for sure. On my Voima, I have a Cane Creek coil and that bike is a magic carpet. Also, let’s be honest, coils look cool. They also have the best small bump compliance. I also think that the new RockShox stuff isn’t quite as good as the top tier stuff from Fox. It’s close, but my bikes with Fox Factory stuff on them are just absolutely dialed. My bikes with Zebs, are pretty good, but just not quite there.
I guess what I’m getting at is Pole makes the best bikes ever and you suck for saying anything bad about them. Nah, I’m just kidding. Poles are awesome though. One thing that really drew me to it was that it was a unique awesome bike with different geometry, big travel, and I love the looks of them.
There is no changing the fact that a lower center of gravity is better for cornering, no matter how you spin it.
@jalopyj: Horrible analogy. Your hips and arms control the bike also, not just the feet. It's also backwards, on a bike you are weighting the broomstick instead of balancing it from underneath.
Or attach an extra weight low or high on the long broomstick, see what is more stable.
For anyone curious, draw a few sketches with applied forces and it'll help.
For anyone who prefers to believe catchy "great analogies" spread by podcasters, downvote me to hell.
If we want to pursue this analogy, "from where" you are balancing is irrelevant. There is no "weighting the broomstick" or the bike. There is a weight, there is a contact point, and there are horizontal forces in both cases. When you turn to the left, draw the force from the ground to you, it's as if the ground moved to the left (from top view) to help you not to fall.
Whether you (in control) move a hand under a broomstick, or lean a bike on top of dirt, similar force directions are in play.
1/ Pole Evolink review 2017; "The Pole is the first bike to take extremely modern geometry numbers to mass production. If you want to have a safe and easy ride on challenging terrain or go faster than all your buddies, this is your choice". Paul Aston
2/ Pole Machine review 2018; "It's a bike unlike anything else on the market, and that sentiment applies to the construction technique and the ride characteristics. Pole's long and slack geometry numbers may no longer look quite as radical as they once did, but that doesn't make the Machine any less formidable out on the trail." Mike Kazimer
3/ Enduro-mtb test/review of the Stamina 180; "The Pole Stamina 180 is a full-speed enduro rig capable of taming even the scariest tracks. The suspension and the geometry are made for speed and the bike will help you go faster than you ever thought possible." (also reviewed very favorably by Pinkbike)
4/ Pole Stamina 140 review Pinkbike; "Bottom line: The Stamina 140 is a bike that stands out for both its appearance and how it rides. Talking in trail bike terms, there might not be anything else as capable when the terrain or speed is serious. Interestingly, Pole did this cool trick because it's still a blast when the ride is tame, only being stifled at near-trackstand speeds where I'd probably fall over regardless." Also Mike Levy said "The Pole Stamina 140 is the most capable trail bike I've ever ridden!"
5/ Pole Onni 170/160 review; Suddenly Pole has forgotten how to build a great bike like all their others...
I have an Evolink 140, Stamina 140 and now Vikkela 190/180. The Vikkela frame, while a different suspension layout, uses the same CNC manufacturing process and it is a great combo of stiffness and sensitivity while certainly not being overly harsh. I don't know what the testers couldn't figure out but that just doesn't make sense?! The first four Pole models are amazing but the fifth is sh%*t... C'mon that simply doesn't figure.
Have the BBs always been "high"? Maybe that can explain a lot of the perceived difference.
Then the suspension, it's really surprising that a new Vivid could not manage a bit (too) low or high pressures. My (2016) Vivid has always been so good off the top and in bottom outs, than I can adjust BB height with different Sags, and it still does everything well.
In this case, could it be that the bike was really built for this 70/75mm stroke shocks, and in enduro configuration it was given a trail bike character for efficiency, to mark the difference with a DH build?
The bike looks sick, had a ton of amazing features! Waiting to get my own
www.redalp.com/DE/bikes.php
Usually I don’t put looks over function and I am a huge fan of pole but besides the machining I have a bit a hard time to get used to this rear end.
I can see that.
Also, the redalp.
"we want to design a high pivot."
"how high?"
Wasn't clear to me.
Considering how (relatively) easily Pole can make iterative changes, seems like adding some compliance and dropping the bottom bracket wouldn’t be too hard.
At a decent (for a boutique bike) price, I hope Pole tweaks this bike to its full potential.
Why in the world would you think letting it sit _lower_ would help with harsh bottoming out?
"Of course, that only went so far and led to blowing through the travel even on more mundane compressions along the trail."
Yeah, no shit! This whole review is suspect if this is the level of know-how we're dealing with.
In the past, we thoroughly examined this approach when considering a departure from Far East manufacturing. Regrettably, 3D printing technology has made only incremental progress in terms of speed over the past decade. Addressing various constraints, including the effects of gravity, would require innovative solutions to improve printing speed significantly. Additionally, sourcing and processing the necessary raw materials present substantial hurdles.
Over the last five years, we've committed ourselves to streamlining our production processes. Based on our estimations, we anticipate the ability to create a complete frame from raw materials in just four to six hours within the next two years. This transformation holds the potential for substantially reduced lead times, possibly enabling customers to receive their customized frames within a matter of days.
Furthermore, it's important to mention that we are deeply committed to environmental responsibility. While our current carbon footprint is relatively modest, our ultimate goal is to achieve carbon neutrality within the next few years.
Slackness doesn't effect this directly, but reach does. Using head tube angle as a reference for top tube needs to have wheel base involved. You could say "given the same wheel base, a slacker head angle would reduce effective top tube", but since reach is also reduced in that case, then reach should be the reference.
What does that even mean? It senses tight switchbacks and starts flopping? How does a head angle flop? Seems odd, the steering isn't going to move unless you move it, for the most part, and especially on climbs.
A slacker head angle is supposed to steer slower, so I'd think you wouldn't be flopping back and forth but rather having to increase steering input through the corner to stay on line, versus a steeper head angle being more prone to oversteering and end up requiring more counter steering.
How does bar height affect this? It's not changing the head angle, the trail, or the "flop height" measurement. Any forces going into steering, from the bars and from the ground, are going to remain the same...
«Nobble (Feb 18, 2016 at 10:20)
The specialized yoke uses a positive metal on metal contact.
The aftermarket one has a DU or igus bushing in between. As soon as that wears from being cycled in an unintended direction it's going to introduce a lot of bending to the system. (And be REALLY bad for the shock)»
It goes without saying that I'm not very knowledgeable of suspension kinematics.
Should have been a Vikkela.
And again, why isn't last years winner there to compare against (or even just a Specialized Enduro)? Not like there's no stock of like everything, everywhere..
That said, they seem to be a company obsessed with trying different things purely for the sake of being different. If you're gonna be different, you've gotta offer some advantages. This bike seems to check no boxes.
Or really, just get the Onni in the downduro form. Not sure why a short shocked version is the one they chose to send.
Second, the points I made in my original post are objective truths - the BB height is quite high for an enduro bike, and it offers very little BB drop. This is not trivial, nor is it arguable. It's just a fact. Similarly, this bike offers no reasonable storage or water bottle options. Again, just a plain fact.
The only thing I cannot direclty comment on is the lack of small bump compliance and harsh bottom outs. It would help if these reviews would include axle path, leverage ratio, antirise, antisquat, and chain growth characteristics. That said, 3 reviewers more capable than me are having a hard time describing this bike in a positive light. Assuming they are correct, you're just being a d*ck and defending a bike that you have no commerical interest in.
I carry a frame bottle on the bike, and then a filled flexible bottle along with gels, jeys & phone in a small USWE pack. That, along with a big drink in the car and proper hydration before departing will get me a solid 2.5 hours in Fall conditions.
Past that and summer rides, well I just need a hydration pack.
I then just strap everything else on the frame. I just bought a ridiculous running belt, actually. It works though. I'll include it in my next checkout article. For big alpine rides though I would take a 3L hip pack though.
And even when I ride with a backpack, I prefer to have the weight of the water in the frame.
Lighter back = more fun riding.
Phone,keys,multitool,and food. Sometimes a pump on the expanding water bottle pocket,if I'm using a bike without frame storage.
Best thing if you have more than one bike.
"Sweaty back" is a manufactured issue IMHO. The whole bottle only / anti pack thing is such a nonsensical fad.
A pack allows you to carry all that you need with ease and offers it offers back protection. Let's not even get started on rides that require more hydration than a few hundred ml's. What then? Take the Giardia like a man?
You don't have to wear a full on hiking pack. There are tons that are low profile and quite ventilated. I use one in SoCal where summer temps hit 40 C regularly. Time to toughen up Quinney
I personally, and you did ask my opinion, find that I get a sweaty back. Not all packs offer back protection, and I'm happy to take my own risks with the water supply. I have never found a well-ventilated pack. Maybe I'm just not as tough as you.
Wait... what?