We headed out into the pits at Leogang to weigh some enduro bikes and see who weighs the most, the least, and who is the best at guessing how much bikes weigh.
EMTBHeaviest Bike: Forbidden Dreadnought 18.9 kg / 41.3 lb
Heaviest E-bike Bike: Yeti 160E 26.2 kg / 58.3 lb
Lightest Bike: Transition Patrol 15.4g / 34.2 lb
Lightest E-Bike:Orbea Wild 23.6 kg / 52.4 lb
Average Bike Weight: 16.9 kg / 37.2 lb
Average E-bike Weight: 24.9 kg / 54.9 lb
Closest Guess: Julie Duvert / Transition Patrol
There is more weight difference between high and low quality Al frames (between 3,2 and 4,7kg) than between the average carbon and Al frame.
Patrol carbon 3,36kg. Al 4,63kg
Spire carbon 3,54kg. Al 4,81kg.
So 2,7kg frame only for the lightest, in theory.
@ESKato same here with a 27,5", size L 2017 Radon Swoop aluminium frame at 3150g (inc axle, hardware, headset...).
I also thought the Sentinel was the nicest looking of the bunch.
The Spire, Sentinel and Patrol all look like capable "enduro" race bikes.
I had a Sentinel (V1, alloy, loved it) Currently have a Spire, love it.
Its surprisingly light for what it is. Not a lot of drawbacks, other than its a bit "dull" on moderate terrain
people riding the trail bikes instead, sight, fuel ex, Stumpy evo etc.
'enduro bikes' arnt really enduro bikes at all, more of a pedalable freeride/park bike.
Theory Racing (the Patrol and Sentinel) also have a U21 racer, whos won the first couple EDR's on the Spire.
Just personal preference.
Hell the Fuel and Stumpy are both super slack in the right combination of adjustments.
Different horses as they say.
Rocky built the new Altitude based on a bigger slacker bike than the outgoing Altitude. Their team spent loads of time and energy trying to make that bike a "race" bike, rather than a longer travel trail bike.
MY V1 Sentinel in medium, with Exo+ tires, and full fat cushcore was 38.2 lbs
Buddies XL alu Spire RS GX with DH casing tires, 38.4lbs
Maybe a DC fork would have gotten the Sentinel to 40...
I'm a huge fan of CushCore, run the XC ones in my short travel bike as well.
I find DH casing tires feel very "wooden" to me, and prefer the lighter casing tires with CushCore. That damped feel, and rim protection has been a real benefit for me. Id run em in everything!
Whatever. It's a real pitty in the first place manufactures dont give accurate weights for their bare frames (each size separate). And even if they give a weight, the do not specify with or without shock or even axle.
Someone should let these racers know that big slack bikes are not the answer for racing.....unless of course you want to win!
www.transitionbikes.com/WhatsUp_Detail.cfm?feature=Marco%20Osbourne%20Wins%20the%20Stone%20King%20Rally
Mens was Spire 1 and 5
we can say both appear to be heavier than expected
Meanwhile *I* need all the help I can get just to get down the driveway
At the end of the day, if the rider cannot finish on the equipment or needs to ride slower to save the equipment because maybe it is too light and he/she will damage it, then the end result is also losing time.
Richie and Slaw need to run XT cassettes, for example, to not rip the teeth off.
Mick and Ryan run 11spd Linkglide on their E-bikes because it is more durable and will have no problem lasting practice and race day on a weekend under these boys.
Lightest bike/components does not always win the enduro race. Needs to be tailored to the rider and conditions.
#NotAllDroppers
All bike weighs these days are a joke. The Yeti enduro bike weigths 18kg haha. Whatever your enduro bike weighs, add 4.5kg for motor and battery if it's an SL
I do think slowly transitioning to tighter transition times would benefit the average rider as development would need to account for that, giving us lighter and faster bikes. I don't want to slug my bike up every hill so it can be 3% better on the way down, I'll be 30% more tired anyway
That all adds up very fast. I bet it would be 2-4 lbs over a GX basic build, and even more if you're going high end lightweight. Some also have tools/tubes and water bottles etc....
In other words, my bike is built with parts that would appear heavier than most of these bikes (ok, so I don't have an O Chain), and somehow my bike is lighter than many despite being a size L frame.
Comments section will always be full of wild weight claims, I enjoy reading these articles with actual weights so people see what bikes really weight.
The bike is not a "wild weight claim", it's simply factual and a 2500gr flex pivot rear end 165mm travel frame.
Cheers
My Norco 6, Shore, RM 6, and Bullit were all well over 40 lbs, less capable, worse at climbing, no more agile in tight switchbacks, and certainly not any more "fun" than my current wagon wheeled Spire.
It climbs better, easily gets around switchbacks, can truck over rough terrain, is way more supportive in fast corners, and overall is miles better than those other bikes. lighter too, much lighter.
The only areas those bikes were better, low speed jank, and dead sailors...
Hell my alu Fugitive is more capable, lighter, and faster.
Maybe you need to go faster?
whether we are talking about climbing or descending, there is an effect.
If youre racing, and expending energy to climb hills, youre robbing yourself of that energy on the descents, that seems pretty self explanatory.
Is it enough to make a difference, or cost you time, hard to say, as there would be so many variables to contend with, but energy spent, is energy lost.
Every time you pick that bike up to get over an obstacle, change direction, jump, pump, etc, youre working against that weight. Does that weight (in the right place, suspension components, tires, etc) help to some degree, maybe yes, maybe no, but at the end of a race day, the difference between riding that Patrol and the Dread are prolly going to be noticeable.
Does it matter for my 2 hour ride in the woods, not at all, so like I said, I'm not too fussed about it
Only the descents count for their race times so that's all that matters and the bikes are prioritized for that. So of course, it's not surprising that they run DD with inserts, coil suspension,38mm forks, O-chain etc... That doesn't mean it's best for the rest of us.
You can make any bike light, but if you want to ride it flat out and not worry about it, it's going to weigh >16kg
With the only exception being if you are tiny
But if a 34/10 doesn't get used then they'd run something smaller, surely.
My S3 build with XTR group, alloy wheels, and Super Trail tires come in at 36lbs.
So ration btw 200 pound rider on 42 pound bike vs 150 pound rider on 40 pound bike are quite significant
DId they increased the travle on it?
y = rider weight
r = 1
And good thing the racers don't know these are shuttle only bikes, otherwise they probably wouldn't make the on average 1500m of climbing on practice and race day
Imagine if the motos had to run that shizzle..