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The Actual Weights of 18 Enduro World Cup Bikes

Jun 10, 2024
by Nick Bentley  


We headed out into the pits at Leogang to weigh some enduro bikes and see who weighs the most, the least, and who is the best at guessing how much bikes weigh.

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Pivot Firebird
Rider: Morgane Charre
Size: Small
Tire Inserts: In the rear
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tube, Tools, CO2
Teams Weight Guess 16.5 kg
Weight kg: 16.3 kg
Weight lb: 36.1 lb

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Rocky Mountain Altitude
Rider: Lily Boucher
Size: Small
Tire Inserts: XC Cushcore
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess 15.6 kg
Weight kg: 17.3 kg
Weight lb: 38.3 lb

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Ancillotti Scarab SB
Rider: Francardo Tommaso
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Insert in the rear
Frame Material: Aluminum
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess 16 kg
Weight kg: 16.6 kg
Weight lb: 36.9 lb

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Transition Patrol
Rider: Julie Duvert
Size: Small
Tire Inserts: None
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: Mullet
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess 15.2 kg
Weight kg: 15.4 kg
Weight lb: 34.2 lb

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Forbidden Dreadnought
Rider: Alex Storr
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Cushcore DH tires
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Yes and water bottle, as well as flight attendant, and tube
Teams Weight Guess 16.3 kg
Weight kg: 18.6 kg
Weight lb: 41.3 lb

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Simplon Rapcon
Rider: Tarmo Ryynanen
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: No
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess 15.8 kg
Weight kg: 16.9 kg
Weight lb: 37.6 lb

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Yeti SB160
Rider: Slawomir Lukasik
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Yes
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tube
Teams Weight Guess 15.9 kg
Weight kg: 18.1 kg
Weight lb: 40.2 lb

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Transition Sentinel
Rider: Iven Williams
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Rear Insert
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tube, Tools, CO2 cartridge
Teams Weight Guess 16.4 kg
Weight kg: 16.1 kg
Weight lb: 35.9 lb

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Giant Reign
Rider: Kim Sascha
Size: Large
Tire Inserts: None
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Yes, with tube, CO2 cartridge and tire plugs
Teams Weight Guess 15.7 kg
Weight kg: 16.9 kg
Weight lb: 37.5 lb

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Specialized Stumpjumper Evo
Rider: Estelle Charles
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Cushcore in rear
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Flight Attendant, tools
Teams Weight Guess 15.4 kg
Weight kg: 16.4 kg
Weight lb: 36.5 lb

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Orbea Rallon
Rider: Ruedi Schnyder
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: None
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tools, tube, CO2 cartridge
Teams Weight Guess 15.8 kg
Weight kg: 16.4 kg
Weight lb: 36.1 lb


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Trek Fuel
Rider: Harriet Harnden
Size: Medium
Tyre Inserts: No
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Yes with tube and Co2 Cartridge
Teams Weight Guess 16kg
Weight kg: 16.43kg
Weight lb: 36.5 lb

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Trek Slash
Rider: Andy Lund (Andy is Harriet Harnden's mechanic, we wanted to see the difference between the Slash and Fuel)
Size: Large
Tyre Inserts: None
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess16.5 kg
Weight kg: 17.5 kg
Weight lb: 38.9 lb

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Orbea Wild
Rider: Florencia Espineira Herreros
Size: Small
Tire Inserts: In rear
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: None
Teams Weight Guess 23.5 kg
Weight kg: 23.6 kg
Weight lb: 52.4 lb

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Haibike Hybe 11
Rider: Robert Williams
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Front and Back
Frame Material: Carbon/Aluminum
Wheel Set Up: Mullet
Tools on the bike: Yes
Teams Weight Guess 24 kg
Weight kg: 25.6 kg
Weight lb: 56.9 lb

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Gas Gas ECC 6
Rider: Alexandre Fayolle
Size: Small/Medium
Tire Inserts: none
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tools
Teams Weight Guess 23 kg
Weight kg: 24.4 kg
Weight lb: 54.3 lb

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Yeti 160E
Rider: Mick Hannah
Size: Large
Tire Inserts: Front and Rear
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Yes and tube,CO2, pump
Teams Weight Guess 25 kg
Weight kg: 26.2 kg
Weight lb: 58.3 lb

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Specialized Levo
Rider: Sofia Wiedenroth
Size: Medium
Tire Inserts: Cushcore in rear
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Set Up: 29"
Tools on the bike: Tools, tube and CO2
Teams Weight Guess 22 kg
Weight kg: 24.6 kg
Weight lb: 54.8 lb

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Heaviest Bike: Forbidden Dreadnought 18.9 kg / 41.3 lb
Heaviest E-bike Bike: Yeti 160E 26.2 kg / 58.3 lb
Lightest Bike: Transition Patrol 15.4g / 34.2 lb
Lightest E-Bike:Orbea Wild 23.6 kg / 52.4 lb
Average Bike Weight: 16.9 kg / 37.2 lb
Average E-bike Weight: 24.9 kg / 54.9 lb
Closest Guess: Julie Duvert / Transition Patrol

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274 Comments
  • 303 7
 good lord that haibike is hideous.
  • 13 1
 didn't expect something stylish from Robbie Williams
  • 56 1
 It’s so ugly it annoys me
  • 6 3
 the 1" dropper seems almost pointless
  • 24 33
flag Bro-LanDog (Jun 10, 2024 at 16:10) (Below Threshold)
 As are any bicycle retrofitted into a motorbike
  • 7 0
 seriously ugly.
  • 5 0
 @motdrawde: It is actually pretty offensive you are not wrong.
  • 6 0
 It is hainously ugly.
  • 8 0
 They always are
  • 12 0
 @motdrawde: it's so ugly it impresses me.
  • 5 17
flag 90sMTBEnjoyer (Jun 11, 2024 at 2:00) (Below Threshold)
 I have one and I like it! It's not as nice looking as the Yamaha allmtn frames but it still looks nice!
  • 15 1
 @Weirdo12345: God forbid I enjoy the thing that I purchased specifically so that I could enjoy it.
  • 4 0
 I bet if no one was looking you would ride it Wink
  • 1 0
 @watchtower: its so ugly I kind of like it.
  • 1 1
 @dirtworship: they kept down to reduce the weight.
  • 4 0
 @seamus: Spoken like your father's best man.
  • 2 0
 It’s a bloater.
  • 1 0
 seriously, every part of the frame was a poor choice.
  • 78 1
 All the carbon work and the ancillotti which may as well be a Brooklyn machine works rig is closed to being lightest?
  • 17 1
 Lots of carbon frames are 3,2-3,6kg (7-8lb), only few of these recent big hitter frames are lighter, and some Al frames are in that same weight range.
There is more weight difference between high and low quality Al frames (between 3,2 and 4,7kg) than between the average carbon and Al frame.
  • 10 0
 @Uuno: yep my large Nicolai G1 which is always referred to as crazy heavy for some reason weighs 3.86kg without shock including rear axle,BB and Headset.
  • 21 1
 Yeah, please can we see more of that Ancillotti, its beautiful
  • 2 0
 @Uuno: Lots of carbon frames are 3,2-3,6kg (7-8lb). Without shock. Right?
  • 5 0
 Quite satisfied after all with my Raaw Madonna and it's 17kg with middle range specs, coil shock, no carbon parts and no wireless fancies.
  • 1 0
 @mtb-daniel: According to Transition, weights with Float X2 (660g), medium frames :
Patrol carbon 3,36kg. Al 4,63kg
Spire carbon 3,54kg. Al 4,81kg.
So 2,7kg frame only for the lightest, in theory.
@ESKato same here with a 27,5", size L 2017 Radon Swoop aluminium frame at 3150g (inc axle, hardware, headset...).
  • 2 0
 @Uuno: Last Coal v3 weighs 2.9kg (160mm enduro aluminum frame)
  • 1 0
 Running monster 2 piston brakes, and maybe carbon hoops? It's got some light parts comparatively.
  • 1 0
 @jostaudt: Interesting. Also I don't know if the frame is as performant, stiff, durable and bombproof as the Raaw Madonna. Let's see in a near future.....
  • 64 0
 did they weigh the Haibike before or after the crash as it looks quite deformed?
  • 3 7
flag its-all-about-bikes FL (Jun 11, 2024 at 1:30) (Below Threshold)
 #commentgold
  • 53 0
 Transitions don't give away an impression of lightness and yet...
  • 15 4
 They also are staying away from the spire....
  • 31 0
 Yeah, the Transition Patrol [with a coil] being the lightest bike in the group was… counter to my expectations.
I also thought the Sentinel was the nicest looking of the bunch.
  • 2 0
 @basic-ti-hardtail: we dont know the tire csg though... patrol/spire are not superlight frames, but yes very competitive
  • 6 1
 My sentinel built up with Cushcore in the rear is 32 pounds. Very reasonable frame weights!! I'm looking forward to the days when bikes are light AND reliable.
  • 5 0
 @HeatedRotor: spire is light as well
  • 1 0
 @Murphius: wasnt what i was getting at haha
  • 3 0
 @HeatedRotor: each Theory team rider is on a different frame: Julie on the Patrol, Ivan on the Sentinel, and Bailey on the Spire. The only thing that would make a noticeable difference in weight between Bailey and Julie’s bike is the frame size, 29er wheel, and Fox 38, otherwise they run the same spec.
  • 1 0
 @Lagr1980: downhill casing front and rear
  • 4 1
 Yes my Spire weights less than 15kg with DH casing tires ans only alloy parts
  • 5 0
 My al sentinel is punchin 40......and idgaf
  • 3 0
 @HeatedRotor: some people don’t require the amount of travel that the Spire has and smaller riders prefer the mixed wheel for racing
  • 2 1
 @pasteque51: Pretty sure it does not. Frame only would have to be like 2,5kg.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: Whats the issue with the Spire?
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: I don't think it's a particular issue, plenty of riders are selecting bikes with less travel for a few rounds.
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: fair,
The Spire, Sentinel and Patrol all look like capable "enduro" race bikes.
I had a Sentinel (V1, alloy, loved it) Currently have a Spire, love it.
Its surprisingly light for what it is. Not a lot of drawbacks, other than its a bit "dull" on moderate terrain
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: my alloy spire comes in at 38.3 with a dual crown on it. I’m not too fussed about the pudge compared to the pro bikes.
  • 1 1
 @gotohe11carolina: still not what i was getting at lol
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: then what are you getting at?
  • 5 1
 @onawalk: big slack bikes are not the answer for racing, We've continued to see this in DH and Enduro.
people riding the trail bikes instead, sight, fuel ex, Stumpy evo etc.
'enduro bikes' arnt really enduro bikes at all, more of a pedalable freeride/park bike.
  • 2 1
 @HeatedRotor: Bunch of those bikes are within half a degree of HA of the Spire.
Theory Racing (the Patrol and Sentinel) also have a U21 racer, whos won the first couple EDR's on the Spire.
Just personal preference.
Hell the Fuel and Stumpy are both super slack in the right combination of adjustments.
Different horses as they say.
Rocky built the new Altitude based on a bigger slacker bike than the outgoing Altitude. Their team spent loads of time and energy trying to make that bike a "race" bike, rather than a longer travel trail bike.
  • 1 0
 @mtb-daniel: you surely know my bikes weight better than my balance
  • 1 0
 @beardedindian: wow,
MY V1 Sentinel in medium, with Exo+ tires, and full fat cushcore was 38.2 lbs

Buddies XL alu Spire RS GX with DH casing tires, 38.4lbs

Maybe a DC fork would have gotten the Sentinel to 40...
  • 1 0
 @pasteque51: My Carbon, RS GX Spire in medium, EXO+ tires with full CushCore comes in at 34.3lbs
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: My L Spire is 15,05kg: air shock, without useless cuchcore, EX471 rims, 11speed transmission… Anyway I don’t have to justify my bikes weight it is just what it is !
  • 2 0
 @pasteque51: Oh man,
I'm a huge fan of CushCore, run the XC ones in my short travel bike as well.
I find DH casing tires feel very "wooden" to me, and prefer the lighter casing tires with CushCore. That damped feel, and rim protection has been a real benefit for me. Id run em in everything!
  • 1 0
 @pasteque51: Just weigh it on different balances some time. Maybe that'll give some interesting results.

Whatever. It's a real pitty in the first place manufactures dont give accurate weights for their bare frames (each size separate). And even if they give a weight, the do not specify with or without shock or even axle.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: Man,
Someone should let these racers know that big slack bikes are not the answer for racing.....unless of course you want to win!

www.transitionbikes.com/WhatsUp_Detail.cfm?feature=Marco%20Osbourne%20Wins%20the%20Stone%20King%20Rally
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: The cool thing is, that in the womens div, Stumpy and Spire on the podium!
Mens was Spire 1 and 5
  • 38 1
 41 lbs!? Isn't that what my 06 Big Hit weighed? Yeah, this is way faster, competent, agile etc, but still...damn...
  • 15 0
 I think that huge water bottle added perhaps 2 pounds.
  • 15 1
 Your Bighit was probably moe like 51lbs to be fair
  • 22 1
 Your big hit was smaller in every single dimension as well
  • 3 3
 @FlightlessLobster: typical large 750ml bottle holds 1.6 pounds of water. Add the bottle and you’re close to 2 pounds. So that huge bottle of water probably weighs 3 pounds.
  • 3 0
 @islandforlife: we don’t even know if it’s full though
  • 1 0
 Plus double inserts and DH casings.
  • 32 0
 @islandforlife: I'm so appalled by your unit usage. 750 ml of water literally weight ~ 750 grams and throwing pounds there sounds so insane to my European mind. Smile
  • 1 0
 @transportguy: haha, threw the pounds in there for the Americans.
  • 7 1
 And until one of them races a 2006 Big Hit in the EDR, we'll never really know which is quicker
  • 1 0
 Wagon wheels, oh sweet wagon wheels
  • 6 0
 @islandforlife: So turns out bottle was indeed full as this was pre-race (I just asked him… what a legend!). Looks like a 24oz camelback so 1.6lbs. Also tube (149g), C02 (58g), and tool in downtube (195g) which add to 0.9lbs. So looks like about 2.5lbs of cargo on this Dreadnought, which leaves a 38.8lb rig (including pedals).
  • 1 0
 @Blownoutrides: To be fair, the Dread/Druid arent light bikes to begin with.
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: not wrong, but if you minus the water bottle the Dreadnought is lighter than the Yeti
  • 1 0
 @Blownoutrides: you could be right,
we can say both appear to be heavier than expected
  • 37 0
 Impressed how Specialized never uses the Enduro in an enduro race.
  • 1 13
flag pistol2ne (Jun 10, 2024 at 21:11) (Below Threshold)
 I don't think it has a real battery compared to the levo
  • 9 0
 Love to see it: validates my choice to go with the Evo. On the flip side it removes my excuse for not doing features because my bike isn’t capable enough. You win some, you lose some
  • 18 0
 Similarly validates my choice to buy the Enduro; if the world's best are getting down hard tracks at race speed on the Evo, then the Enduro surely fills the skills/courage gap quite well!
  • 7 3
 I’d get that instead of the Stumpy just to avoid the Clevis yoke Mount
  • 10 2
 ive had both, theres pros and cons for both of them. personally i prefer the enduro over the stumpy evo, i dont think it climbs much worse and going from an S6 STevo to an S5 enduro its slightly more agile on the downhills while still having more reserves in the suspension department. i always thought the main reason they dont run the enduro is because its not UDH and therefore cant use the latest drivetrain from their major sponsor
  • 5 5
 @GumptionZA: No chance are they not using a bike because of a derailleur mount lol They would quite easily make a rear end for it if that was the case. Just shows that you dont need more than a 150/160 bike to ride the hardest trails in the world
  • 3 0
 @toad321: i'm not going to bother looking it up to figure it out, but go find pics of charlie murray racing before he was using T-type to confirm. i remember there was an EWS with a stage that had a gnarly climb on it that he won on a flight attendant enduro. its pretty well known that the new gen enduros and stumpys have been ready for about a year now theyre just waiting for stock of the current bikes to move. with that level of readiness of the new bike, making new parts for the old bike is a bit of a waste of time.
  • 1 0
 @GumptionZA: I went opposite way from enduro to stumpy evo. The stumpys alot better for my locals and the compromise at bike parks is not massive.
  • 2 0
 @ribsmtb: nice, i miss the chainstay length and the seat tube angle of the stumpy, and throwing a super deluxe ultimate with HBS on moved the performance ceiling up so high i didnt really need anything more. i found a good deal on the enduro and wanted to try something new. i found going to something slightly shorter that was still within my "fits me" window really helped make it fit the trails, which obviously wouldnt have been a thing if i'd just had a smaller STevo. Both bikes are home runs, i think the STevo is probably a better bike overall just because its so much simpler, im dreading the day i need to do bearings... the performance increase from STevo to enduro doesnt justify the complexity increase
  • 3 0
 @toad321: correction: *they* don't need more than 150/160 to ride the hardest trails in the world.

Meanwhile *I* need all the help I can get just to get down the driveway Smile
  • 25 0
 Rocky mtn needs a diet
  • 25 0
 So does yeti at 40.2lbs!
  • 10 0
 @laerz: And the yeti has a air shock.
  • 10 0
 yeah, but with DH tires front/rear, Cushcore front/rear, Ochain chainring, XT cassette, 200mm seatpost and CO2/tube/tools & number plate. Weight does not matter much if our riders are piloting them to victories and podiums every week and the bikes are holding together to get that job done ;-)
  • 3 1
 @mattomoto: yes and no, weight can play a role for wkg. for the EDR if on race day say 5mins of high power sprints across 40mins racing, saving 2-3kg could be a 10-20 seconds with ease. the difference between podium and almost podium to the top racers.
  • 7 4
 Everything 29” is so heavy. I can’t imagine how a 40lb enduro bike would’ve been received in 2018. Hope the fad passes soon.
  • 2 2
 @emptybe-er: full carbon race weapons over 35lb is insane, no question brands will be full alloy soon the way its heading.
  • 2 0
 @stubestrong: Tell our boys this and try to have them ride lighter equipment. We run as light as we can while still getting the machines to the finish line. Remember this is all day of racing on the same equipment, not a single DH run of 2-4 minutes. Also, once you strap a tube, co2/pump, tools, water, etc on the bike, weight goes out the window :-p
At the end of the day, if the rider cannot finish on the equipment or needs to ride slower to save the equipment because maybe it is too light and he/she will damage it, then the end result is also losing time.
Richie and Slaw need to run XT cassettes, for example, to not rip the teeth off.
Mick and Ryan run 11spd Linkglide on their E-bikes because it is more durable and will have no problem lasting practice and race day on a weekend under these boys.
Lightest bike/components does not always win the enduro race. Needs to be tailored to the rider and conditions.
  • 25 6
 The bikes hanging on the dropper post in the „low“ position make my toenails curl. If you’ve ever rebuild a reverb post because someone lifted your bike on a non-extended dropper knows what I’m talking about
  • 71 1
 Not all droppers are Reverbs...
  • 14 2
 @Tambo:
#NotAllDroppers
  • 11 2
 Same here, putting that much weight on a compressed dropper is terrible for it. Every manufacturer says to NOT do this!
  • 2 1
 Was looking for someone to say this. Harsh on the post no matter the brand. Reverbs just dislike it the most it seems
  • 2 0
 @Scottycruz: 9point8 doesn't matter! May be some downs, but that's not one of them!
  • 6 0
 @Scottycruz: Bikeyoke droppers specifically allow to lift the bike by the compressed dropper. They say the dropper resets its hydraulics every time you lower the sattle.
  • 3 0
 @bmxslinger: Also 8 Pins but I’ve only ever seen them on the Liteville rentals in Garda so there is that.
  • 15 0
 37 lbs for my large Spire with DH casing tires, coil and alu bars and wheels. The fact that it can withstand so much abuse, totally worth it.
  • 5 0
 I made the mistake of weighing mine. It's 40 lbs without a bottle or tools. But it's so reliable and confident
  • 1 0
 @spinzillathespacelizard: 29” so it’s probably super fun
  • 12 0
 I'm interested to know how the teams are over 2kg off on their guess weights. I hope those mechanics are using actual torque wenches, cause they are clearly way stronger than they think they are!
  • 13 4
 They probably don't know the color code of the paint job off the top of their head either. Neither one matters.
  • 2 3
 @jdejace: False equivalence, weight affects how the bike performs. Colour... doesn't.
  • 14 3
 When your Kenevo SL with a motor weighs less than these Enduro rigs........
  • 1 0
 My first thought
  • 16 2
 Not when you’ve got a coil, DH tires, inserts, tube, etc. but I hear you… very close
  • 1 0
 My KSL weighs 21.3kg Please be quiet haha
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay: That's a pretty heavy build, what is your spec?
  • 1 0
 @Snowsed341: XL. DH tires. DHX2 Coil. Carbon bars. 220 rotor DHR EVOs. GX Drivetrain.

All bike weighs these days are a joke. The Yeti enduro bike weigths 18kg haha. Whatever your enduro bike weighs, add 4.5kg for motor and battery if it's an SL
  • 10 0
 Ancillotti is the sweet spot
  • 9 0
 There's something funny about seeing multiple Specialized Stumpjumpers, but not a Specialized Enduro in an Enduro race.
  • 3 0
 SJWS. Or I suppose it's called SJDR now.
  • 6 0
 I feel like they needed to weigh the bikes and the carry on items separately. As 40lbs with a inner/ tools/ full water bottle is not too bad but sounds ridiculous when my bike with 160/140 travel and DH tyres and insert is 32lbs, for a long day in the saddle getting it down to 29lbs is a simple tyre change removing the insert.
I do think slowly transitioning to tighter transition times would benefit the average rider as development would need to account for that, giving us lighter and faster bikes. I don't want to slug my bike up every hill so it can be 3% better on the way down, I'll be 30% more tired anyway
  • 9 3
 Dude. 38lbs for a small enduro bike. My race xl when it's race ready is 35. aluminum everything except for the frame. It's a fairly stock Evil Wreckoning. Air shock, spank bits, i9, gx, yada yada.
  • 21 1
 DH casing tires, inserts, tools, CO2, tubes add several lbs to these weights.
  • 10 1
 These enduro bikes are going for reliability more than weight. They are running DH tires and inserts, then a coil, AXS/Transmission is also heavier, Fox38/zeb vs. 36/lyric, DH wheels/hubs, Maiden/Zee brakes, O-chain etc...

That all adds up very fast. I bet it would be 2-4 lbs over a GX basic build, and even more if you're going high end lightweight. Some also have tools/tubes and water bottles etc....
  • 3 5
 @schili: I still don't quite get it. My Spec Enduro is a size S4, relatively beefy alu rims (DT Swiss and I9) + DD tires, Trickstuff brakes with big rotors, Fox 38 and X2, XT drivetrain and aluminum bars...and I am coming in at about ~37 lbs. (I think a little under as I was at 37.4 lbs with cushcore, which has been removed).

In other words, my bike is built with parts that would appear heavier than most of these bikes (ok, so I don't have an O Chain), and somehow my bike is lighter than many despite being a size L frame.
  • 6 4
 And…. It’s cracked… again.
  • 3 1
 Yeah, I gotta admit these weights surprise me for sure. I recognize the emphasis placed on durability but daaayyyuum, pedaling these beasts around this past wknd in Leogang over 40miles and 6k ft is impressive. I just built up the new ARC 8 Extra Air 2.0 and with nothing I'd consider "lightweight" on it, she came in at 28.3lbs with HT T1 pedals, a cage, 2.6 rubber and a Tannus rear insert. That's 165/170 travel with EXT up front and a Float X out back, MT7's w/203 rotors F/R, wide 32h carbon/King hoops, 1Up V3 200 post & mix matched XO/XX SL Tranny kit. No tools in the frame storage box yet but even with shite in there, she'd still be right near 30 flat at her porkiest in size L (basically XL geo with any other manufacturer).
  • 2 0
 @KJP1230: a coil shock and ochain would almost put you into 38lbs which is average here. Toss some heavy duty clipless pedals, some axs batteries, and a tool and you’re getting even higher.
  • 7 1
 Well you yada yada'd right past most important part... what tires? any inserts? You weighing with tube and tools one the frame like they did?

Comments section will always be full of wild weight claims, I enjoy reading these articles with actual weights so people see what bikes really weight.
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: tools, tube
  • 3 0
 @venturavin: I wasn't trying to boast about how light my bike is, just surprised how heavy these are. As I stated, running "2.6 rubber" or to be exact Schwalbe Wicked Will 2.6 Super Trail 1040gr tires. As I stated, "a Tannus rear insert" and "no tools in the frame storage box yet".

The bike is not a "wild weight claim", it's simply factual and a 2500gr flex pivot rear end 165mm travel frame.

Cheers
  • 1 1
 @salespunk: 29” wheels, and bigger everything thanks to them. Adding tools and water is just kind of throwing in the towel because that bitch is already glued. My 2017 Process 153 is 33lb has a sweet build and I can take it through a set of actual jumps.
  • 1 0
 @schili: Actually, the EXT Storia V4 with a 500lb spring I have on the way will only add 85grs on top of the 570gr Float X shock currently on the bike. It seems like Lukasik was the only rider running an O-chain on these bikes? The HT T1 pedals on the bike are not exactly light duty XC pedals, I have one AXS battery on the XO Tranny der, but as I stated, I do not have any tools in/on the frame yet. So add a tool, tube and the additional coil weight and the bike might hit 30lbs flat, if that.
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 @sloguy: I was responding to the OP in this chain, hence my reference to his "yada yada" language. But I would love to see your Arc's actual weight at the trailhead 100% ready to ride. Don't know much about them, but they are cool looking bikes.
  • 1 0
 @venturavin: Trailside, ready to clip in, with sealant, with the rear Tannus liner. King ti cage, AXS battery and the 2.6 WW rubber..... the bike is 28.3lbs. I have no reason to embellish or God forbid lie about the bike's weight.
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 @sloguy: What rims you got on there? I'm just equally curious in where the difference is coming from since the rest of your build does sound totally normal, aside from the frame which seems like about a 2lb advantage.
  • 1 0
 @venturavin: basic LB 32h carbon hoops w/sapim cx-rays, wheelset is 1590grs taped. 1Up V3 post is light, eeWing cranks aren't exactly heavy, XX1 stack/der fairly light, bar/stem/grips fairly light, MT7 set not light but not heavy either especially with 203 rotors, virtually every bolt has been replaced with ti pieces though. It's really the frame which is 2520grs with all the hardware and Float X. A Fox 36 would shed 200+ grs..... and I could lose the rear Tannnus liner.
  • 1 0
 @venturavin: I made the mistake saying it was XO/XX SL Tranny.... that's my other ARC 8, the Essential with 130/140 @25.1lbs. The Extra is all XX1 stuff..... which is lighter than Tranny.
  • 19 11
 proof that low weight is not a performance advantage
  • 14 0
 going downhill...of course not. All these guys care about are the downs as long as it can pedal a bit uphill.
  • 8 7
 Depends on your riding style. If you jump over things a lot, or overjump gaps to a better downslope ect a heavier bike will be more tiring to ride.
  • 6 3
 low weight only matters for XC or light trail rippers, Good comfortable pedaling platform is way more important than weight on an enduro bike.... as soon as you put DH gripy tyres on it, forget about it being an 'agile climber' Surprised how heavy some carbon builds are compared to similar alloy are.
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 @Glory831Guy: sorry, facts get downvoted around here.
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flag emptybe-er (Jun 11, 2024 at 5:26) (Below Threshold)
 Proof that 29” bikes are for suckers and people who get paid to ride them and have all but ruined mtb’s coolness. If a 40lb enduro bike came out 5-7 yrs ago (27.5) you’d be singing another tune. But rich folks who can’t ride drive this bus now. I’m just glad I didn’t learn to ride on pie plates and wagon wheels. I would’ve just kept skating maybe even rollerblading.
  • 2 4
 @Glory831Guy: Isn’t this new love for heavy 29” bikes so contagious? Makes me wanna take out a loan and go back to clipless.
  • 4 1
 @emptybe-er: Man you've got weird hard-on for 26" wheels.
My Norco 6, Shore, RM 6, and Bullit were all well over 40 lbs, less capable, worse at climbing, no more agile in tight switchbacks, and certainly not any more "fun" than my current wagon wheeled Spire.
It climbs better, easily gets around switchbacks, can truck over rough terrain, is way more supportive in fast corners, and overall is miles better than those other bikes. lighter too, much lighter.
The only areas those bikes were better, low speed jank, and dead sailors...

Hell my alu Fugitive is more capable, lighter, and faster.

Maybe you need to go faster?
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 @HeatedRotor: Im not overly fussed about weight, but it has an overall effect.
whether we are talking about climbing or descending, there is an effect.

If youre racing, and expending energy to climb hills, youre robbing yourself of that energy on the descents, that seems pretty self explanatory.
Is it enough to make a difference, or cost you time, hard to say, as there would be so many variables to contend with, but energy spent, is energy lost.

Every time you pick that bike up to get over an obstacle, change direction, jump, pump, etc, youre working against that weight. Does that weight (in the right place, suspension components, tires, etc) help to some degree, maybe yes, maybe no, but at the end of a race day, the difference between riding that Patrol and the Dread are prolly going to be noticeable.

Does it matter for my 2 hour ride in the woods, not at all, so like I said, I'm not too fussed about it
  • 4 0
 If the entire race day was timed up & down (like how us weekend warriors typically ride), you would see the weights come down.

Only the descents count for their race times so that's all that matters and the bikes are prioritized for that. So of course, it's not surprising that they run DD with inserts, coil suspension,38mm forks, O-chain etc... That doesn't mean it's best for the rest of us.
  • 6 1
 Really bummed to see more large or xl size frames in this article, would be cool to see the difference that makes between the same brand/models
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flag plustiresaintdead FL (Jun 10, 2024 at 14:46) (Below Threshold)
 You can just google frame weights separately. Don’t really see that as super relevant here.
  • 2 0
 @plustiresaintdead: rider preferences and subsequent component spec would play into it as well
  • 2 0
 @plustiresaintdead: not in L or XL you can't
  • 3 1
 @L0rdTom: fanatik have frame weights per size listed...
  • 2 0
 @Tambo: And Giant tells you to go to your LBS if you want to know how much its bikes weigh. It's not universally available information.
  • 6 2
 Lesson here seems to be -
You can make any bike light, but if you want to ride it flat out and not worry about it, it's going to weigh >16kg

With the only exception being if you are tiny
  • 3 0
 After seeing charles murray crash 3 times on the last stage, and rolling into the finish with a flat front tire, I can't help but wonder if he will switch from only a tire insert in the rear to a tire insert in both front and rear. From my experience, the difference between riding on a flat front tire and a flat front tire with insert is MASSIVE. Couldn't imagine trying to race full gas after racing all day long with a front flat after just going OTB on roots.
  • 7 1
 So all that money yeti charge is in fact just for that shade of turquoise
  • 23 0
 Seems to me Yeti is charging by the kilogram.
  • 6 0
 No wonder people are buying bicyles with motors!
  • 1 0
 They like ugly?
  • 5 0
 Team Harriet Harnden forgot to include the weight of the sharpie in their calculations
  • 2 0
 @Mandownmedia the simplon is actually raphaela Richters bike. Its a size small and has a tool in the steertube and maybe some spares in the downtube. Still a great article, i love these. It puts my view on weight in another perspective
  • 1 0
 Or @Nick Bentley, i dont know who to tag.
  • 2 0
 Yeah I was thinking the same. Either they have the wrong photo or the wrong specs, both guys in the team riding all blue frames.
  • 2 0
 For about ten years I have been thinking that maybe I should have splurged on a lighter bike. Maybe when I get tired of this bike I'll trade up for a nice modern bike, and finally experience what it's like to ride a really nice bike. Weight wasn't a priority when I bought it. I just liked the dimensions and the general shape, and the price was reasonable and there weren't very many 180mm single-crown bikes to choose from at the time. It's 34 pounds. This whole time I've been riding a bike that's on par with the lightest bike at the 2024 Enduro World Cup. That's just wild. I assumed that a proper race bike would be around 30.
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 29”?
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 180, so probably 27.5. Smart
  • 5 0
 Not really fair to include the bottle in the Forbidden weight, no bottles on the others (despite cages everywhere).
  • 2 0
 Given the size of chainrings, I wonder how many riders would be happy with more compact drivetrain options. I'd love to see some sort of stat on how often a 10x34 gear gets touched in these races. Maybe if there's a downhill road section?
  • 1 0
 I recall a WynTV EWS video from a few years ago in which the 10-45t seemed to be the go for the top level Shimano riders. I can't remember which event though.

But if a 34/10 doesn't get used then they'd run something smaller, surely.
  • 5 0
 The fact that most guessed their bikes were 1-2kg lighter suggests that weight doesn’t matter all that much…
  • 2 0
 It's pretty amazing that the small sized carbon rigs are approaching 40 lbs. It's kinda hard to imagine the bigger frames are any more than 1 lb heavier. Then consider the weight gap bewtween riders. Those on a size small likely weigh about 75% less than those riding L-XL. I always kind of wonder if smaller riders really need all the heavier components like DH casings, 38 forks, etc. Seems like some could benefit from a rig more proportional to their own mass. Smaller riders chime in. I'm 6' 175 lbs so it's just an observation.
  • 5 0
 Low-hanging fruit, but that Scarab is otherworldly as always.
  • 8 3
 Can we get the weight conversions in stone as well?
  • 3 0
 Is 2.6 stone more helpful than 37 lbs?
  • 4 0
 @carlitouk: If blood pudding and a cask temp pint are regularly part of your life then it might be!
  • 1 1
 @carlitouk: yes Carl, yes it is.
  • 4 1
 So interesting to see that almost all of DH bikes in the other article are mullet setup and almost all bikes in the enduro are full 29"
  • 4 1
 I seen that aswell, my only real theory is the track and how the bikes are ridden, an enduro bike needs to be more efficient in its rolling to keep speed and help the pedaling.
  • 7 1
 My first guess is it has something to do with squeezing another 20-40mm of rear wheel travel for the DH bikes. And they’re proportionately stiffer and more robust… I’m also keen for an answer!
  • 1 0
 I think it's that many brands haven't brought out a new enduro bike in a few years, and the enduro mullets are behind on development. Just please keep full 29 on the bigger sizes!
  • 3 5
 They have to sell the 29” $10k bikes, so the poor racers have to ride them. It’s no wonder anything cool (like fun to do, watch) is always a built down 27.5 or freeride bike and people lose their shit like it’s 2005 again.
  • 1 4
 People are rediscovering log rides and 6-8’ drops on their 29” bikes like it hasn’t been done 20yrs ago so that’s always nostalgic to see.
  • 4 0
 The Rocky Mountain is actually insane for a size small without any tools on the bike. Yeti not far of...
  • 2 0
 I’m a Slash guy, though the Reign is pretty wicked and will last forever. I all ways end up saying I think that’s my old bike when I see someone on one and never feel sorry for them.
  • 2 0
 40lbs is the new 32lbs. Once you go dual insert and DD, even with a carbon frame and wheels your at 39lbs. Would you rather save a couple lbs and think about your line choice??
  • 1 0
 My Kona Process X CR DL 2023 in size Small with DD tires (no inserts) and Mechanical Eagle X01 and Mavic Deemax SL alloy and RS SDLX COIL and alloy cranks ... still weight 15,3 Kg ... which now.. makes me very happy and proud of it.. Just measured.
  • 4 0
 Coincidence that the rider with the lightest bike also guessed the closest?
  • 1 0
 what do you think about the fact that specialized and trek riders are riding "all mountain" bikes (stumpy and fuel) instead the proper enduro rigs, even in a demanding venue like leogang. i understand that every rider has preferences, but seems at least a bad marketing choice.
  • 2 1
 It's been happening for a few years on other brands too. A lot of the top riders typically size down as well. Richie Rude rides a medium, Melamed on a small etc.. The pros dont follow the bike industry marketing
  • 3 2
 Can't imagine what it's like to be a smaller women riding a 60lb "bicycle". They are essentially riding motos without a throttle which would suck. Want to get your front wheel up and over a log or bunnyhop it completely, nope not going to happen, close your eyes and hold on and hope that fox 38 saves you.
  • 4 1
 How does Estelle have a coil on the EVO? Last I heard, coils weren't compatible with the frame...
  • 4 0
 If I recall, Rockshox are, while fox and some other brands are not. Even with that ‘compatibility’, probably experiences faster wear and higher maintenance intervals than you or I might want to deal with.
  • 1 0
 Bearing eyelets and they can swap a new shock on regularly would be my guess.
  • 1 0
 Had a ext e-Storia on mine no issues
  • 4 0
 The RS super deluxe coil (soon to be vivid coil) are approved. Need a steel/strong enough shaft (hehe, you said shaft). I ran the the RS SDU coil when I had my Stevo. Think the Fox coils are either an alloy shaft or not a big enough diameter. Rockshox (latest gen), Push, EXT and Ohlins — I believe — all pass.
  • 3 1
 Surprised to see the Dreadnought at +40lbs.
My S3 build with XTR group, alloy wheels, and Super Trail tires come in at 36lbs.
  • 5 0
 I was surprised at that too, but it has a water bottle, flight attendant suspension, DH casing tires with inserts. Those probably make up the difference.
  • 7 0
 Cush Core + DH tires is 450g more per wheel on its own.
  • 3 0
 yet Alex Storr can still make it dance like the best of them !
  • 1 0
 I put my bike on the scale,S4 Enduro and I was surprised : 16,2 kg or 35,71 lbs. DD front no inset,Butcher DH rear with octamusse XC insert (it is quite light insert,78 grams)till now had been flawless even in the rear of my Demo.
  • 2 0
 If you minus his massive 24oz water bottle it’s lighter than the Yeti. If you also nix tools, tube, C02, inserts, DH casing, you’re down where yours is.
  • 1 0
 Interesting, inserts in the rear seem to be all that the pros want. I wonder what this would look like with XC racers. That's the last category to see if the inserts are still used.
  • 3 0
 The Yeti team must be really reading their marketing material too much with that weight guess.
  • 4 2
 Interestingly, 9 of the 18 bikes are running inserts of some form, versus only 1 in 15 of the DH bikes from the other article.
  • 11 0
 There is hope to repair and/or finish a stage with a flat w/ insert and still get a decent result in Enduro. Makes it worth while to carry the extra weight. If you flat in DH, the run is over.
  • 3 0
 Makes me feel good about my last few bikes all weighing about 35lbs
  • 2 0
 the way enduro is going they could rehuse / adapt ebike frames to suit an helium chamber instead...
  • 3 0
 Slawomir bike looks like a large not a medium. That dude is tall
  • 1 0
 He does ride a large, Typo in the write up.
  • 2 0
 HI PB, can you please specify if all those tires are double down. I think part of the weight increased is that. Thank you!
  • 3 0
 most are downhill casing...... Be silly to run Double down on a gnarly track setup
  • 3 0
 How the hell is that Yeti eBike heavier than the Haibike abomination!?!?!
  • 2 0
 Coil shock vs Air would be the main difference there. As well as cassette. the Linkglide is tough but it's going to be heavier than a single block of cnced metal. I know which one will snap first but...
  • 1 2
 How many have added inserts just for some form of insurance without knowing if they would actually be prone to flats without them? Have we really made advances in rim and tire issues from 20+ years ago? These wheel, insert and tire combos must way more than my Mavic 729's with Michelin Comp 32's did.
  • 3 0
 At least for me, I run inserts because I’ll dent my rims so hard I’ll get an air leak without them lol
  • 3 0
 I ran inserts for a while, but they really make a (negative) difference in terms of pedaling performance and acceleration. I realized I could save weight and keep the durability by running slightly higher perssure in a DH casing tire. Haven't had an issue since switching.
  • 1 0
 Actually component failure a far less common than 10y years ago, insets +dh casing+ bottle of sealant+wide havy rims weight more then DH tubes on mavics, however I surprised that majority weights in size s/m around 40( rider should be below 160/150 )

So ration btw 200 pound rider on 42 pound bike vs 150 pound rider on 40 pound bike are quite significant
  • 3 0
 I ran inserts with EXO+ casings for awhile. Switched to DoubleDown and now I have to run close to 30 psi in the rear to keep from denting rims. Either need to put an insert back there or go carbon. An insert is cheaper.
  • 3 0
 Transitions are the lightweight enduro bike it seems.
  • 3 1
 Funny..most if not all DH bikes are mullet. Why are most of the Enduro bikes 29?
  • 3 0
 I think the full 29er is faster on the less aggressive and pedally enduro courses whereas the dh bikes can sacrifice some rolling speed for butt clearance and maneuverability
  • 2 1
 Proof that low weight does not equal good ride quality or performance for long travel bikes. I'd be more interested in seeing world cup XC race bike weights.
  • 3 0
 Interesting to see most enduro racers going for trail bikes these days
  • 1 0
 All of them without exception weigh more than my DH GT Fury 27.5.When bikes stop being bikes....They will soon collapse under themselves....
  • 1 0
 And i thought my bike is heavy at 36.4 pounds, im even trying to make it lighter.
  • 1 0
 Any Idea why harnden did race the Fuel ex instead of the slash?
DId they increased the travle on it?
  • 8 0
 same as when the norco team used the sight instead of the range or specialized teams using stumpy evo instead of 'enduro' or even transition, Not a spire to be seen.... Canyon team using spectral over strive. 'big travel enduro bikes' are not really race bikes, a strong rider will get more from a less lazy bike.
  • 3 0
 We use it with a 160mm lyric and stock travel at 140mm with a vivid. Some of the stages were more suited to a short travel bike and also the longer pedal liaisons.
  • 3 0
 Sascha Kim...
  • 2 0
 and Tomasso Francardo...
  • 2 0
 So anywho - when’s that new ZEB dropping?! I’m losing patience.
  • 2 0
 The Yeti SB160 in the pic is a large, not a medium frame
  • 2 0
 Is that T-Type on the Sentinel or a mix of T-Type & AXS?
  • 2 0
 Weird. Good eye. It's the XX SL crankset from the T-Type and the XX1 Eagle AXS in the back.
  • 1 0
 swapped for another enduro bike, everything alu, DH tires,plus tools, pump, and tube, 18.3 kilo. feels good
  • 2 0
 Genuinely surprised at some of these bike weights.
  • 1 0
 39.3lbs for my large Patrol alloy with inserts, DH casing tires, coil, ZEB, and Mavens don't seem so bad now lol
  • 1 0
 Was not expecting to see a Transition Patrol as the lightest bike of the bunch, but here we are...
  • 1 0
 and you guys think gearbox bikes are heavy. My Zerode Katipo 170/160 is 34lbs with pedals
  • 1 0
 Ah remember the 90’s when we were chasing 22lb super light bike weights? Good times
  • 2 1
 @bigdood lol Pinkbike trolled you hard
  • 1 0
 x = bike-type weight
y = rider weight
r = 1
  • 3 3
 only mention for the e-bikes so far for the e-EDR to show how fat they are... poor riders/sponsors...
  • 2 0
 Trek Fuel enduro. wow
  • 2 0
 not uncommon, norco using sight, Spesh using stumpy... canyon riders often on spectral.
  • 1 0
 Great reaction or happenstance to the DH bike weight story!
  • 1 0
 Interesting that more enduro racers use inserts than dh racers.
  • 1 0
 My missus guesses the weight better than the teams.
  • 3 4
 what happened with enduro? WTF. these weights are park/shuttle only tbh. I cannot believe my custom sb150 is 13,4kg with pedals. make enduro light again. please!
  • 2 0
 Womp womp
  • 1 0
 And your bike surely has DH casing tires possibly with inserts on it and equally robust aluminum rims, 200mm dropper...?

And good thing the racers don't know these are shuttle only bikes, otherwise they probably wouldn't make the on average 1500m of climbing on practice and race day
  • 1 0
 Some ridiculous weights for 'factory' bikes.
  • 1 0
 Is it me or is the label on the Trek sidewalls blacked out?
  • 1 0
 Those motorbikes sure are ugly
  • 1 0
 That non-e-bike Yeti is a PIG
  • 1 0
 90% of these are heavier than my DH bike
  • 1 0
 The Giant Reign does pretty good for a Large, with tools/tube...
  • 1 0
 So does yeti at 40.2lbs!
  • 3 4
 They spelled the heading for the second section wrong. It should be ABOMINATION not ebike.
  • 1 1
 Same same
  • 2 3
 Good Lord when will the orange fork go away?
Imagine if the motos had to run that shizzle..
  • 1 1
 That trek paint job sure is tits!
  • 1 0
 E-bike weights. Lolz
  • 7 9
 Real takeaway is that mullet is already dead.
  • 4 0
 track dependant.
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