8 More Bikes That Could Be Updated for 2023

Jan 2, 2023 at 12:57
by Mike Kazimer  
It's time once again to gaze into the crystal ball and try to guess which new bikes we'll see released this year. The supply chain woes caused by the pandemic seem to be subsiding, but there's no denying that the typical bike release schedule underwent a severe shakeup. Multiple models were delayed significantly, and many of the bikes that will come out this year were actually supposed to be released months ago.

Luckily we've arrived at what seems like a very good place when it comes to geometry, and I don't anticipate any earth-shattering changes in that department this season, which means there might not be as compelling of a reason to rush out and get the latest and greatest model. That doesn't mean the end of progression, though; far from it. There are plenty of advancements on the horizon when it comes to drivetrains, brakes, and suspension. There are advances happening on the electric side of things too, but I'll keep the focus of this article on bikes without motors.

For those who aren't familiar with the process, bike companies typically refresh a model every three years or so, which means that compiling this list is as scientific as going through the archives and looking at the bikes that haven't been updated in a few years. There were also plenty of teasers released by companies over the summer as their athletes tried out the new bikes ahead of their official launch. Matt Beer put together a list of 13 other models that might be updated this year, and at least one of those predicted models has already been released.

Keep in mind that this list focuses on updates or revisions to existing models - there are also lots of completely new bikes in the works.







Ibis HD5

Ibis dropped the HD5 from their lineup in 2021, which leaves room for some sort of longer travel machine in their lineup. The last version of the HD5 had 27.5” wheels and 153mm of travel – a mixed wheel version with a little more squish would make a lot of sense. As it is, the Oso e-bike currently has the most travel in the lineup with either 155 or 170mm of travel depending on the shock stroke, followed by the 147mm Ripmo.

The Ripmo was recently updated with a new swingarm to make it universal derailleur hanger compatible, so I wouldn't expect another change in the immediate future. Still, it does seem like there could be room for a longer travel Ripmo in Ibis' lineup too.
Ibis HD5




Cannondale Habit

The Habit is one of several bikes that was on our list last year that didn't end up being released. There have been photos of Mitch Ropelato rallying around on a bike that's definitely not a Jekyll, so it's not a stretch to imagine that we'll something this year. Maybe.

The last iteration had 130mm of travel – I could see Cannondale bumping that up slightly, putting the Habit into the highly competitive aggressive trail category
Cannondale Habit
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Norco Optic

The Optic is another bike that could be ready for an update, especially since there's a lot of overlap between it and the aluminum Fluid that came out this year. I could see it going in one of two directions – either push it more towards downcountry side of the spectrum and bill it as a more capable version of the Revolver, or go the other way, and give it a little more travel to make it a full-blown aggressive trail bike.

Norco Optic C2 review Photo by Trevor Lyden






GT Fury / Sensor

A carbon frame DH bike, likely the next version of the Fury was spotted at Fort William last season. DH bikes aren't updated quite as often as other models – there isn't as much of a demand, and if a racer is doing well on a certain frame they're not as likely to want to switch to something new. It has been over 4 years since the current Fury was released, so a new model in 2023 doesn't seem like a stretch.

One model in GT's lineup that we haven't seen updated in a while is the Sensor, their 130mm trail bike. A handful of geometry updates would bring it up to speed – things like a shorter (and steeper) seat tube, and a slacker head angle would put it in line with its contemporaries.




Rocky Mountain Slayer

The Slayer is another bike with geometry that doesn't require a radical overhaul. It could use some snack storage, though, which looks like it might be in the works based on a photo a keen-eyed reader sent in over the summer. As I wrote in that article, the geometry isn't really in need of any major revisions, but assuming that the Slayer remains a 170 / 180mm freeride machine I could the head angle getting a bit slacker, settling around 63.5-degrees.

Rocky Mountain Slayer 2020



Orbea Occam

When Orbea released their new Rallon in late 2021 they also added in an Occam LT model to their lineup, a bike with 10mm more travel than the 'regular' Occam trail bike. One thing the 140 or 150mm Occam doesn't have is in-frame storage – I'd imagine that feature will trickle down whenever the latest version is released. Given that the Oiz XC bike and the Rise lightweight eMTB were both updated in 2022, it seems likely that the Occam is next in line.

Orbea Occam M-LTD review Photo by Trevor Lyden.



YT Jeffsy

The Jeffsy's last update was in 2019, when it saw it's travel increased to 150mm, inching closer to the territory occupied by the Capra. The head angle currently sits at 66-degrees, and the reach is 470mm for a size large, so I could see it undergoing the typical longer and slacker updates if there's a new model in the works. Increased room for a water bottle would certainly be appreciated, and I'd love to see YT incorporate some in-frame storage on future models.


YT Jeffsy AL Base review



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300 Comments

  • 177 21
 I get that pinkbike needs to generate articles to generate ad views but you do realize articles like this are why you can't really claim to be sustainable. Chasing companies to update their bikes every few years, especially for minor updates for some bikes mentioned here is just creating extra demand from customers and extra manufacturing cost from bike manufacturing.

Also there are some bikes that are more fit for an upgrade but pinkbike recently seems to only know about 10-15 bike companies existing so the article goes "well the bike is fine but add frame storage". We are spoiled. Just get a bike that suits you and ride it.
  • 19 6
 We live in a consumer-based world, so you won't be able to escape comparisons about bikes and maybe that extra bottle cage on bike storage is enough to sway the consumer. And slighting off topic but when it comes to comparing bike performance, we rarely talk about the sack of meat riding the thing which is probably where 90% of performance gains can be made.

Anyway, now back to looking at shiny new objects and arguing about things i'll never buy.
  • 14 7
 it's cute that you think Pinkbike has that much influence - I could be wrong but I very much doubt they do. The driving factor behind updating bikes is the same as any consumer market - make more sales, grow the buisiness, get the shareholders more profits. To do that you need to ride the wave of having the latest trends, or a unique selling point. That's why you will often notice that companies that are not after out and out growth or that are solely private are less likely to update their bikes as often as the bigger brands.
  • 10 4
 Pinkbike needs news to publish and generate traffic, and new bikes are good news.
Up to the consumer to decide what to do.

If you're so against the current product lifecycle style of the industry, you always have alternatives such as Nicolai/Geometron
  • 7 0
 I'm with you in spirit and I generally ride secondhand frames which I plan to keep for many years (now geometry has been sussed).
But it's somewhat naive to expect Pinkbike to shut down the product side of their business "because we have enough bikes already".
  • 5 0
 I absolutely agree that we should just ride and enjoy the bikes we have, but the solution to that issue is at the other end. It's up to us to change our behaviours, you cannot blame a media company for producing their product and supporting the industry that supports them.
I find myself remaining quite happy with my current bike/car/other consumer item when I don't engage with with media focussed at that item. If you only look at bike websites when you actually need a new bike you'll probably find yourself "needing" a new bike less often and happier with what you have. When I worked, many year ago, in physical bike shops the happiest customers were very often the old blokes with their ancient touring bikes that only came into the shop when something needed repaired, and the rest of the time they just rode the bike they had and enjoyed it.
  • 1 0
 @Arierep: if you're so against the current product lifecycle style of the industry, you always have alternatives such as RIDING THE BIKE YOU HAVE ALREADY.

Fixed that for you.
  • 1 0
 @ajaxwalker: yeah but is your argument really "we live in a consumer based world so lets give up and keep consuming like mindless drones while destroying the planet"?

I mean seriously we replace stuff too open. I'm a gear head. I used to upgrade parts on my bikes like a crazy person (nearly all bolts on my old dh bike were TI, bought mavic deemax wheel just to use their front hub which was 4g lighter than any other front hub on the market for some dumb reason etc). But I didn't change whole bikes every 2-3 years. Especially now where the progress is much much slower.
  • 1 0
 @enduroNZ: I don't think they control our brains but things like this ad up. If everyone pushes the new stuff hype cycle people.

Also saying the factor of updating bikes is "make more sales" - and how do you think it's achieved? Marketing and PR on sites like this too.

I agree being publicly traded makes companies update models and trying to force dumb buying. Generally the "constant growth" shareholder model hurts us all. Not even in a "protect the planet" but it's why we get useless standards pushed on us or why some non bike companies only think in short term
  • 1 0
 @Arierep: so if burning forrests generated money for pinkbike would it be ok? Since your argument basically boils down to everything pinkbike does should not be criticized because they need to make money.
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: I don't expect pinkbike to do shit. Just expressing my frustration. We could focus more on ride reports and less on "look at the new bike from the 10 brands pinkbike knows about" (they mostly write about very few brands)
  • 1 0
 @RobinLaidlaw: Why we can't be critical of a media company for pushing the hype cycle? Not everyone is as much a responsible adult as you. Kids read pinkbike too. This affects their not yet formed consumer habbits. Some people are could change their mind if they werent constantly pushed to "you need this new bike".

I seriously get getting new bikes 2-3 years some time ago when the progress was much bigger. A 2007 and a 2010 DH bike were miles apart but now? You don't even benefitthat much
  • 106 2
 All 27.5 bikes need to be upgraded to 29er to improve the roll over. All 29ers need to be upgraded to 27.5 to make them more playful. All bikes with 65 hta need to be upgraded to 64 to increase stability on the descents. All bikes with 64 need to be upgraded to 65 to help with front wheel wander when climbing. Bikes without in-frame storage need upgrades to in-frame storage, but to lighten and stiffen some frames they need to be upgraded to solid wall tubing design. All bikes with xx travel need to be upgraded to xx+20mm and new 100mm xc models introduced at the bottom of the ranged. Models with the most travel need to be upgraded to retirement.
  • 8 5
 Underrated comment.
  • 3 0
 There are several (maybe a few) angry 26" owners right now
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: I still ride my 26er! The nimble feel and responsive handling area a real update over my 29ers.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell:

There are at least a half dozen of us.

Just kidding, Im not a caveman, I don't ride 26"
  • 68 6
 Revel Ranger? Revel Rascal?
  • 21 0
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think either bike has seen an update since being released and each of them has been out for quite some time. So yeah I'd hope to see both get an update.
  • 41 1
 Shave weight off the ranger, fit 2 bottle cages, slacken the HTA a touch, and take my money.
  • 20 7
 @hughbm: RM Element?
  • 18 22
flag doctor-m (Jan 4, 2023 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 Revel blah
  • 14 1
 I literally just went with a Tilt over a Rascal because of my snobbery towards steeper seat tube angles. Rascal update sorely needed.
  • 3 0
 @WasatchEnduro: tilt sta is still slack af though
  • 16 3
 @WasatchEnduro: should have bought a banshee
  • 6 0
 @thegoodflow:

nah... saddle fore/aft position is nearly identical to my ripmo and feels the same on the bike. XL vs XL.

There was more to it though with better pricing on the Tilt ofc and there being only a minor weigh save with a Rascal. Rascal frame weight is about halfway between a Ripmo and Tilt.

Not a dis towards Revel though, their frames look amazing and the Rail29 is a CBF Ripmo which is smart.
  • 2 1
 @newbermuda:

I love the look of their frames. For this round the short chainstays on the Tilt were a selling point over the longer chainstays of something like a Prime. I was trying to destabilize the bike. Make jibbing great again!
  • 3 0
 @newbermuda: obvious right?
  • 2 0
 @ervinb123: they already did the element
  • 2 0
 @ervinb123: they just got a massive update in 2022
  • 7 0
 @tbubier: Revel is a new enough brand they haven't updated any of their bikes since releasing them. Ranger could be lighter, Ranger and Rascal need the UDH,and the improved linkage bolts and such that the Rail 29 has.
  • 5 1
 @ACree: Rascal could also be lighter and could use a mullet option for us shorter folks...
  • 4 0
 @newbermuda: when in doubt just get a Banshee
  • 13 0
 My current Rascal's slot in the quiver is threatened by only two possibilities:
1. A new 130/140 Transition Smuggler, or
2. A newer Rascal.
  • 1 0
 @hughbm: it has 2 bottle cages. That alone should be worth your money
  • 4 2
 @ACree: ive owned every Revel but the Rail 27.5. The Rascal and Ranger are plenty light given what one asks for when considering weight. 100% agree on the UDH and the bolts on the linkage. These changes were great additions to the R29. That bike needs an updated name.
  • 3 1
 @hughbm:

Fine with the weight of the REVEL frames, but for gods sake if you're gonna have integrated headset, then slack it to 66* or so.
  • 1 0
 @ACree: Confirmed, All bikes in the industry will be UDH next year, because of reasons...
  • 1 0
 Welcome to the new norma: 4 year product cycles!
  • 2 0
 @hughbm: Steepen those seat tubes!!
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: Agreed, I literally just posted that. It's 2023 fellas!!
  • 3 0
 @WasatchEnduro: Neither is particularly steep though. That said they don't really need to be either.
A rascal with tilt HTA/STA and reach, UDH, updated pivot hardware would be amazing.

Getting rid of the integrated head set would also be awesome but won't happen I don't think.

I bought a rascal over a tilt, but just barely.
I wanted to try more compact geo, and just honestly I prefer the looks and in frame water bottle is nice.

Now that I have an angle set in the rascal I realize I probably should have bought a tilt, but I still love the bike.
  • 3 0
 @opetruzel: absolutely can confirm. I am also on a rascal and also worried the new smuggler is going to light my wallet on fire.
  • 3 0
 @ATXZJ: agree. I get the steeper head angle is sorta part of revels design philosophy, but it'd be nice if it was more "optional" by way of better Angleset options.
I do have a slack-r in my rascal but I sure wish it was 1.5 straight or 44/56.
  • 35 0
 Basically we added storeage...we listened to the riders We moved pivots and added idlers...we listened to the riders We removed idlers and added linkages...we listened to the riders We used headset cable routing....we listened to no one !
  • 28 4
 if they listened to "the pinkbike users" The bikes would be rubbish lol
  • 3 0
 @HeatedRotor: inevitability of a real Grim Donut
  • 6 0
 But on a tangent, what would a crowd-sourced bike look like, based around PB commenters? Everyone votes on literally every single feature.

Could be cool or just a big mess but would be interesting to see what the (lack of) consensus would be, along with which bike current in market most closely aligns.
  • 3 2
 @TTASS: thats a hard one as it depends where they ride, it would have to mention what the bike was for and have a few guidelines.

My request would be for adjustments similar to the new fuel EX so you can run the bike however you like, maybe a bigger Headtube diameter so we can have inserts for Reach and HTA(taking inspiration from the norco range Prototype for the headtube but not that massive)

Flip chips by themselves, sure change the geo but they also play alot on the bikes suspension feel and i believe its what they are actually ment for but the selling point is geo adjust.
  • 2 0
 There were crowd designed bikes. I don't know much about the first one but the second one (ICB2.0) was made and sold by Alutech. Basically the polar opposite of what the PB comment section would call for. Single pivot, no room for a bottle. I think it was a very cool bike.
  • 1 0
 @DizzyNinja: Speaking of Alutech, you can buy their Armageddon.
alutech-cycles.com/Alutech-Armageddon-frame
  • 1 0
 @DizzyNinja: Grim Donut with frame storage, where every single tube has a full length opening for maximum small cargo capacity
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor:
Its pretty much this bike
www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-machina-bikes-technologically-advanced-project-fun-while-it-lasted.html
Matt Beer broke it
  • 1 0
 @TTASS: Germany‘s internet bike community (IBC) did that five years ago (actually did it twice, I really liked the second iteration built by Alutec) - test in German, but you can see what it looks like: www.mtb-news.de/news/test-alutech-icb-2-0
  • 37 5
 All these bikes should get higher stack heights as well.
  • 8 7
 Can't that be achieved by spacers? Educate me
  • 4 1
 @pipomax: only to a certain point, that point being dictated by your steer tube length. If you didnt get a fresh fork with an uncut steer tube, then you are at the mercy of how long the steer tube was cut when the bike was first built up.
  • 16 1
 @Gibbsatron: isn't there also a limit on max spacers before the leverage exceeds what the fork was designed for as well?

Not to mention reach gets reduced with each spacer
  • 5 4
 @pipomax: You're only supposed to have so many mm of spacers (usually 40mm) on the steerer (specified by mfg). Also, you lose reach by adding spacers or anything that increases bar height less than perfectly vertical.

Lower than desirable stack heights make for confusing sizing considerations. Once you start trying to factor in low stack heights it becomes a game of is this frame going to be long enough, do I need 50mm riser bars, how many spacers does the bike come with from the factory, etc.
  • 2 0
 What makes you think that? Not being facetious just wondering where that thought comes from
  • 1 2
 @pipomax: maximum of 30mm of spacers for Rockshox forks. RTFM
  • 13 0
 @jeremy3220: Nothing wrong with a good riser bar.
  • 3 0
 I like this idea. I run riser bars on all my bikes and prefer a more stood up position pedaling and descending. Im shaped like a minon with a long torso and short legs so that prob has something to do with it too.
  • 1 0
 @EvilBun: still there are limits to the bar height you can achieve with low stack. Carbon bars help my hands, the highest I can find is the Enve M9 (50mm). I have that, 30+mm of spacers and a 650mm stack to start with. I wouldn't want less.
  • 1 1
 What is your ideal SH on any given size bike ,considering rider height .?
  • 2 1
 The only update these bikes will probably receive is a Higher sticker price ($$$) with the inevitable and insane inflation at hand !
  • 2 0
 @jeremy3220: not sure why you're getting nega for a factual post.
  • 1 1
 @jdejace: That is true. Not much out there taller than 50mm for a carbon riser. Mone and Whiskey Parts both make one taller, but that's it. The Mone bar is stated as DH rated and 63.5mm rise. The Whiskey bar is lighter duty and 70mm rise.

I have the Mone bar with some spacers under it and am happy with the fit. However, I'm also only about 5'10".
  • 2 0
 @jeremy3220: Lower stack heights have been a boon for some of us. I'm all for variety in bikes, so I hope someone makes a tall bike for you. I need a bike with a low stack to go with my short legs and a good reach for my comparatively long torso though. I used to have to run flat bars and negative rise stems on everything.
  • 1 0
 Is no one making these higher rise bars anymore with a beam in the middle to support it? Basically a low BMX bar. Not sure whether the stem manufacturer sets a limit to how high rise a bar can be as it does put a torque on the clamp that isn't so big on lower rise bars. I don't see why things can't be the other way around though. Just make proper high stack frames and make zero rise bars and zero rise stems available. Taller headtubes are easier on the headset bearings and the frame construction too.
  • 1 0
 @EvilBun: True but it's not the same as increasing stack.
  • 4 0
 This pic really highlights how stack heigh does not scale proportionally with rider height. The XL rider has their bars at knee height while the S rider is has the bars above their waist. Look at the position of the seat relative to the bars. The XL bike looks like a clown car.

s14761.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/09/IBIS-Oso-E-MOUNTAINBIKE-2023-.jpg

This is Ibis's new Osos's bike where the stack height changes 40mm from S to XL.
  • 5 0
 @pipomax: bar height should be even with the seat height that the average rider of that frame size would ride. This should be done with just a couple spacers and low rise bars. Long legged riders can use a couple extra spacers and high rise bars. Long torsoed riders can use no spacers and flat bars. Most brands L and XL frame stacks are an inch too low.
  • 1 0
 @haen: I see two things here. Because smaller people have less mass, they require less suspension to absorb impacts; also because of their lower center of gravity can get away with a smaller diameter wheel for roll-over capability. Both of these would lower the bar height for the shorter person - which in the photo you linked is ridiculously high. And, yes, a longer headtube on the larger bikes would help. I'm 6'4" and like my bar kinda lowish since my torso in long and legs are slightly short for my height. I still use a spacer on all my bikes but it's not that bad. It would be worse to have a headtube that was too long though.
  • 2 0
 @Bretbernard: around 40mm covers the different between the stack height of S and XL bikes across most bike brands. When you are considering the height difference between people who ride S vs XL, 40mm is not sufficient to put both riders in a similar riding position.

I’m 6’0” and run a high rise bar with max spacers so my bar height is close to 100mm above the bike’s stack. I would highly recommend you give something similar a try considering your height. It will dramatically improve your weight distribution and control over the bike. In short, get your bars close to your seat height at full extension.
  • 43 18
 *turns shock on Norco Optic around*... Done! I've updated it (now pay me for the innovation).
  • 57 10
 Of all the brands to mock you choose the one that actually has good innovation and priced bikes...
  • 14 20
flag dfbland (Jan 4, 2023 at 8:08) (Below Threshold)
 @talkster: woosh, it went right over your head
  • 39 2
 Crazy thing is if it wasn't for marketing, the Optic is just as good as when it came out and doesn't actually need much as far as an update goes - unlike some other bikes out there, new releases haven't made it 'worse' or particularly less competitive in its segment. Shave weight and it loses some durability. Add travel and you might lose a bit of the fun/sportiness factor. Take away travel and you lose some of the bike's incredible capability. Geometry is already dialed. I thought the suspension worked really well. STA is arguable. Carbon rear end? Loses some of the attractive price.
  • 3 1
 @dfbland: whoosh indeed Smile
  • 2 0
 @zeeker: I don't blame anyone, it's morning in winter.
  • 3 3
 I mean, if we're looking at reducing unsprung mass I'm pretty sure the optic has the shock in the correct orientation and all of the other brands are wrong? It seems bizarre why other brands are ok having that air canister and all of the clickers moving with the linkage every time the shock compresses...
  • 11 5
 @heatedcheese: that amount of unsprung mass is negligible. Upside down shock means seals don't get bathed in oil. Dry seals will hurt suspension performance way more than a >1% difference in unsprung mass.
  • 2 1
 @heatedcheese: wouldn't that be a good way to end up destroying your seals?
  • 3 2
 @j-t-g: The Optic needs to bump the travel up a bit to fill the void left by the Sight essentially becoming the Range. A slightly more capable Optic would be spectacular.
  • 3 1
 @rrolly: yes bump up that travel a bit and steepen up that seat tube angle. I have to slam my seat all the way forward on my large to get a pedalling position that feels as comfortable as my Spire.

Also I always thought the upside-down shock was to help facilitate a larger water bottle.
  • 2 11
flag rem17 (Jan 4, 2023 at 11:23) (Below Threshold)
 @talkster: Norco will be sold at Canadian Tire within 3 years, it's a common "cycle" look at Schwinn or Mongoose.
  • 3 0
 @j-t-g: I was thinking the same thing. I hope it stays largely unchanged. I think refinement would be much better than an overhaul here… maybe a steeper STA and a few gram savings?
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: yup, my optic (same as one photo'd) leaves me wanting for nothing...well other than in frame storage.
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: I remember reading a critique on the rear shock by a reviewer in ~2020 ... but after 2yrs of riding I think it's an excellent tune and handles very well for aggressive trail riding.
  • 1 3
 @rrolly: 2023 Sight is 160/150.

I'm skeptical that it's worth changing the Optic to a 150/140 - although Fluid 140/130 is starting to move into Optic's territory. Norco seems conflicted on their direction.
  • 2 0
 @njcbps: Not really, Fluid is alloy only and Optic is carbon only. A carbon Fluid would mean the Optic needs to do something else, either up travel, or back to its first iteration and down-travel.

I think rrolly's point is valid given the Range 29 before the MY21 refresh was 160/150 for a generation.
  • 2 1
 @j-t-g: You actually got one?
Should have come with two lower ISCG tabs for people that want to run a bash, rather than just one.
Should have been built with a proper UDH not a Norco UDH 2.0 (we have a stock of maxles that we need to use up).
Should have had a steeper STA (my Sight is my preferred ride, even for trails where the Optic should make more sense because I am naturally more centred on the Sight).
Shouldn't have been designed around a shock tune that includes starting with all 4.5 tokens installed.
But other than those things is is an awesome bike, just not as awesome as the Sight.
  • 1 0
 @njcbps: I’m running my 2020 xl optic at 150/140+ with a 190/50 cane creek dh coil in-line and a cascade link.

It rides ridiculously well.
  • 3 0
 I had one for two seasons and ended up keeping another bike in the same category that was a little less capable in some ways and a little more capable in others. What it came down to was there was money in the Optic that I could access and no money if I were to sell the other bike (because I custom painted it).

I'll agree with everything except the STA, a 76 degree effective at extension is exactly where I want it on a bike like this.

Everything you've said is a tweak rather than a generational change - so I think a good review overall!
  • 16 1
 It would be funny if companies who weren't planning on adding snack storage capability just 3d printed some plastic covers that they could glue on their bikes in the right spot just to fuel the rumour mill.
  • 3 0
 That's an awesome idea. I want to do that to my bikes. Will look especially silly on my skinny steel tubed hardtail!
  • 1 0
 @kcy4130: that would be a unique bike then :-)
  • 6 0
 @kcy4130: SlimJim storage
  • 13 0
 @TransitionBikeCompany Where's Carbon Smuggler!? I need it now!!!!! HAHAH

A classic... www.transitionbikes.com/MegaFeatures.cfm?feature=Feature_SmugglerCarbon
  • 9 1
 theres been pictures of a new one floating around. Seemed like an obvious one to include on this list. Maybe Mike has it currently so cant comment on it.
  • 2 0
 Why don't they make anything between the Spur or Sentinel now? They are literally giving money away to their competitors. And it's criminal that such an important bike has been mothballed.
  • 2 0
 I waited for years for an updated Smuggler after it was dropped from the lineup. I have since moved on and stopped paying attention to Transition. It seems odd they don't fill a segment they seemed to make popular.
  • 10 0
 The new Walmart Bazerka bike will be coming standard with a kickstand and a more comfortable seat and new graphics kit saying "shred machine" for 2023... can't wait!! probably gone up $50 too since last year but hey gotta pay to play!
  • 11 0
 How many of these updated models are currently sitting in Kaz's, Levy's and Henry's garages? And they just can't talk about them yet?
  • 14 2
 Headset routing bikes should also be updated
  • 19 0
 "Headset routing bikes should also be burned" -- Fixed it for you.
  • 2 4
 Yeah, what if the top cover has two concentric parts? The inner one you take off when you want to remove the fork whilst the outer one can stay in place (as the inner slightly covers the outer, maybe with a rubber flexible ring between them). The outer part has a gap on the inner circle for the cables to pass through. Indeed when want to guide the hose or cable through, you do have to lift stem, spacers and the inner cover ring (and the rubber cover if it is there and not integrated) but at least it isn't a round (closed) hole. You still get the claimed advantage of the hose/cable port rotating along with the bars and that the frame doesn't need other holes in the headtube area and you still get the many obvious disadvantages like the hose/cable rubbing your steerer out of sight, but maybe the installation and service may be a bit easier as you can lift the outer cover along with the hose/cable to service the upper bearing if you feel like. Look, this isn't for me regardless as I'm happy with all external routing. But it may be a minor improvement. Or someone will set me straight and this is an even worse idea (which obviously doesn't make it a reason to not implement it).
  • 1 0
 solved it for you:
www.amazon.com/Jagwire-Alloy-Stick-Guides-C-Clips/dp/B001CK2LFE
  • 12 0
 The new Propain Tyee should come out this spring.
  • 6 1
 That must be why the 2022 frame I just ordered was 25% off.
  • 8 0
 @schwaaa31: everything is off since the shipments from Taiwan finally started arriving so some companies are overstocked and people are not desperate enough to pay for the recent price increases
  • 2 0
 @spaced: This will be the new problem in 2023. There's moto shops getting 2022 n 2023 models weeks later.
  • 12 0
 An Ibis HD6 AF mixed wheel would make a good addition to the lineup.
  • 9 1
 Or a longer ripmo HF (holy f*ck) 160x170 with adjustable geo for mulleting.
  • 2 1
 @jesse-effing-edwards: perhaps a non-electric Oso?
  • 2 0
 @mtmc99: I’m hoping for this… I like things that are a little different and I don’t mind offending anyone on the trail with my ugly bike…
  • 1 0
 @babathehutt: Im with you, that bike kinda looks cool and is certainly unique (other than the Pole that has a similar thing going on)
  • 2 0
 I gave up waiting for this and got a Rallon. Fantastic bike.
  • 1 0
 Currently riding a mixed wheel HD5 and its one of my favorite bikes I've ever ridden. Would love to see a stock mx bike with little longer travel
  • 1 0
 @jesse-effing-edwards: love the HF
  • 11 0
 Diamondback's entire lineup...
  • 1 0
 they where progressive about 8 years ago, no update required now
  • 10 2
 I’m tired of hearing praise for in-frame storage. Bikes are for riding and should be kept as simple as possible. Closets are good for storing stuff.
  • 3 1
 I'm genuinely not a fan of frame storage. You keep stuff in there, and when you need it, you need to remove it. Doesn't sound like an issue, but upon removing said thing, you have created void space. Creating void space, instantly turns my bike into a dh maraca. I have simply filled my frame so full that things stop rattling in it and hope to never have to remove anything.
  • 2 2
 Absolutely love my in frame storage and I will never buy another trail bike without it. But I'm hoping to keep riding this same 2018 bike for another 10 years, so, I'm not too worried.
  • 1 0
 This. And reviewers who praise gimmicks like this go by feature lists and should not be allowed to review bikes at all.
  • 5 0
 I’m convinced that the Privateer 161 will get an update this year. This is based on absolutely nothing other than being the only thing stopping me from buying another thing I can’t afford right now.
  • 2 0
 i got mine in Oct 2020 and it still is the bees knees, geo is spot on for my preference and the thing just hauls ass still love it as much as the day I got it, really have few complaints with it. They have a few mullet protos rolling around so I'd imagine it gets a mullet option, I'd like to see a bit more room in the front triangle since with the 2023 RS SDLux Coil i had to downsize my water bottle, I second set of bosses for a tool/tube would be nice too.
  • 3 0
 A 181??
  • 2 0
 @poleczechy: yeah I look at it now and there’s nothing that ‘needs’ changing. I just wonder if they will tweek it anyway, probably with a mullet option like you say
  • 2 0
 The Loam Wolf just released another review of the current 161, GX spec this time. I don't think they'd send out bikes for reviews if they were about to replace the model. Plus given that they are a value oriented brand they will probably try to maximise it's lifespan. Geometry was so progressive when it was released that it's pretty contemporary now too. Run a 180mm fork and the 64 hta slackens enough to make it even more current.
  • 1 0
 I thought this when I saw the prices they were offering recently, but it might have just been a cash/stock flow thing?
They must have something up their sleeve though.
  • 2 0
 It doesn't "need" much of an update. They could always make it lighter, but I don't think there is much to change about the geo. It would be awesome if they did a UDH, but I wouldn't replace my frame for that. I'm down for an update, but the changes surely couldn't be very big?
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: prices are back up to where they were again. Obviously not in much of a rush to shift stock
  • 1 0
 @mashrv1: They possibly used Black Friday to address a cashflow / overstock issue then. They'll probably knock the prices back down when the replacement is imminent, as is traditional.
  • 6 0
 A long travel revision of the Mojo in MX configuration would be awesome, like the new Nomad?
  • 12 1
 The MixMo!
  • 1 0
 Mojo LS MX
  • 5 0
 I'd love the updated Optic to have 150/140 travel. I'm currently riding a 2020 Optic and a tad more travel would make it perfect in my eyes.
  • 12 1
 Wouldn’t that be the Sight? Or very similar at least?
  • 1 3
 isnt that what the cascade link does?
  • 5 1
 @peterfoley5: Sight @ 160 (carbon and aluminum)
Optic @ 150 (carbon only) ??
Fluid @ 140 (aluminum only)

Whatever they decide, the Optic is in unique position for sure. Best bike I've ever owned and look forward to what they do with it next.
  • 3 0
 @peterfoley5: It's what the Sight was. The Sight now is a bit of a tank.
  • 2 0
 @rrolly: so funny seeing bikes get bigger with time, only to fill the void left behind with a new model.

Just like cars.

Looking forward to the 200mm travel sight of 2066
  • 1 0
 I’m running my 2020 xl optic at 150/140+ with a 190/50 cane creek dh coil in-line and a cascade link.

It rides ridiculously well.
  • 1 0
 @Bobvd83: this will surely be where the update lands
  • 7 0
 The pivot switchblade for sure
  • 2 0
 Nah, just got a new swingarm.
  • 7 0
 *Transition Smuggler enters the room*
  • 6 1
 Specialized enduro with all the chips, bricks and lego making it go from 67HTA to 59, headset routed cables and add not only 2 but 3 waterbottles
  • 2 0
 correct, that one's missing in the article
it's about time it gets an update (although it's still good)
  • 2 0
 yeah, this same article last year listed the Enduro as inline for an update. I've heard the new Levo SL has been sitting in warehouses since October as they try to clear old stock. I wonder if its something similar with the Enduro.
  • 3 1
 @Rabbuit: If they have "extra" Enduro frames, they should just keep them for the inevitable warranty replacements for cracked head tube cups.
  • 2 0
 @Rabbuit: due to the "corona bike hype" there shouldn't be too much stock. They might be waiting for tyres or saddels to complete the bikes
  • 5 1
 Cannondale used to be so cool. How good would it be if they were to break away from vanilla and create something that looks cool again? Bright colors, big logos, Missy Giove...
  • 1 2
 That purple Jekyll fits that mold. Bike was beautiful.
  • 1 0
 Agreed. They used to make all their bikes in USA with pride, innovation, colours, and were different. Now they are corporate wankers (Pon?) everything has to make margin - no tandems/beastOeast etc. - and they murdered the team that made cool decisions. Sigh
  • 8 1
 new Trek Slash probably?
  • 5 1
 I came here to say. I hope Trek takes some of the magic they used on the Fuel EX and throw it at the Slash. I also hope they update the Supercaliber to have a little more travel, and snack storage. Maybe a Supercaliber, and a Supercaliber EX to fill the gap to Top Fuel
  • 1 0
 I heard there's something quite interesting in the works but no idea on timeline.
  • 4 2
 If the Slayer gets an upgrade I really want to see the PB review. I have had 2 of the latest models and they are amazing. It is to bad what happened last time but I want to see another shot at a review and the glorious reviews it will get! If the back end stays together I am thinking potential PB Bike of the Year!!!
  • 8 0
 I can see it now:

Pinkbike tester gets new Slayer, goes to Whistler Bike Park to test

Gets hit by a Whistler Resort pickup truck crossing a service road on the mountain
  • 7 1
 Well, as long as the Pinkbike intern screws the axle in properly this time, it shouldn't be a problem.
  • 3 0
 "How could Rocky do this?"
  • 3 1
 personally, i think it would be in the top 3 of any enduro bike shootout for the last 3 years, in any magazine anywhere. it is that good. the ride 4 is brilliant and has a meaningful impact on how the bike performs and the coil shock is killer. the bike has a much broader sweet spot than the silly name suggests and has spot on geometry and sizing IMO.
  • 7 0
 Nukeproof Reactor
  • 2 4
 Yeah those things are fugly.
  • 2 0
 Agreed! I'm waiting and hoping. I want 140mm on the 29er and a steeper STA. Then they can have my money!!
  • 2 0
 @mybaben: And a mullet option please!
  • 7 0
 New forbidden druid?
  • 1 0
 Came here to say this. Impressive how well the Druid has stood up as Forbidden’s first bike, but surely it’s time for an overhaul sooner rather than later
  • 2 0
 @Crossmaxx: it's coming soon.
  • 3 0
 The new Sensor is what I am stoked for. The current model is amazing. I'm hope they dont ruin it by going too long and slack. Other needing a shorter st its perfect!! Please GT don't ruin the bike.
  • 2 0
 I'm diggin' my heavily modded aluminum 2019 version - and while I love the bike, I can't help but wonder what they could possibly do to make it ride better, as the seat tube is already quite steep and the front is slack enough. I would like to see more stack, so I don't have to run so many spacers, and running a 25mm longer dropper would be nice, but not a big deal really....it's an awesome bike still.
  • 5 1
 I heard rumor from Norco designer that high pivot will be trickling down the lineup when the frames are updated.
  • 17 5
 Can you tell the Norco designer that I want high pivots like I want headset routing?
  • 20 0
 @DizzyNinja: "DizzyNinja wants high pivot headsets"
Norco: "Sound weird but OK"
DizzyNinja: "FFS"
  • 2 0
 @DizzyNinja: you should be asking for a headset/bottom bracket combo cable routing
  • 2 0
 That would be great. I known not everyone likes HP, but it'd be great to have some aluminum HP bikes as an option, at least.
  • 1 0
 I can't see them doing that for the Optic - seems insane for a trail bike. It would add too much weight and complexity with little positive to return.
  • 4 0
 Concerning the GT Sensor. Why doesn't anybody watch Wyn Masters YouTube channel closely?
  • 1 0
 Actually he posts more on Instagramm or Facebook.
  • 1 0
 I have a 2019 Jeffsy 29, pre-update of that year when it went to 150mm. It is pretty long, low, and slack as it is. The industry can't keep playing the same long/low/slack cards, or else we'd all be riding mountain bikes that look like Choppers. Shortening seat tubes and giving options for seatpost length would be better. Would also be great to have an option for all bikes to run a 27.5 rear wheel and an offset headset to make reach adjustments.. I'd do that to my Jeffsy if it were possible (without significantly altering the geo numbers to shit).
  • 1 0
 Cotic BFe max, current model on sale and it needs to be brought in line with their new C1-5 sizing. Current model could do with a lower bb (like the new Solaris now has) and a steeper and shorter seat tube (could be a lot shorter if the lower the bb imo).
  • 1 0
 Ibis definitely needs a longer travel bruiser in it's lineup - a bigger Ripmo or an HD6 with 29er (mullet meh). I've had Ibiseseses for the last 8 years but I want a big travel Enduro bike next and there isn't anything that fits the bill.
  • 1 0
 I ride an Yeti SB 130 that I bought used last year and wrenched in it with my fav upgrades. I’m in for under $5k and it’s specked at the top tier. Half of the fun of Mt biking is finding deals on the best gear and creating your dream bike. The other half is beating the crap out of it year over year mile after mile until it’s so clapped out and vintage that you are embarrassed to take it out in public and simply hang it in the man cave as decor. Truth be told I’ve never been as good a rider as the exceptional bikes I’ve owned. But I got to own them by riding them into the dirt for 10 years. If I bought a new bike every 4 years for $8000 or more I’d be too broke to own a car. Just realize that there is no such thing as the latest greatest Mt bike. They all have a half life of a pair of fresh white sneakers.
  • 1 0
 with bikes being upgraded so often why not suggest an upgrade of LASTING DURABILITY ... some of us can totally afford a $9000 bike and do buy one every few years but still feel its way overpriced if it doesnt last or needs parts replaced too often.
  • 4 1
 Still waiting for an update on the Rocky Mountain Cirrus and the Santa Cruz Tazmon. Come on already.
  • 3 0
 Nobody wants to see an update on the trek remedy?
I would be down for that.
  • 1 0
 Unfortunately, the Trek Remedy looks like it has been discontinued. There's not much space between the 140 Fuel and the 160 Slash.
  • 3 0
 After waiting thirteen months for my Stumpy Evo to arrive, I'm delighted that it's not on this list.
  • 1 0
 I still haven't reached the limit of what a 2020 Optic can do, so will be on it a few more years. But interested in Norco's plans.

If they make changes to the Optic, won't they end up with a Sight?
  • 3 0
 It must be time for a new improved Stumpy evo and / or Enduro
  • 1 0
 New Enduro this year but Stumpy next year
  • 2 0
 @funboi-parisi: Say more about that
  • 1 0
 @andrewhowe: Enduro generally the same but slight tweaks - steeper seat and lower BB.

Stumpy to get bigger changes.
  • 3 0
 Norco revolver or pivot mach 4?
  • 3 0
 Gt doesn’t offer much these days.
  • 2 0
 Didn't even consider GT back in March when I picked up my 2022 Fuel Ex8. Kinda forget GT exists.
  • 4 0
 GT, with its new parent company has landed back in CA. GT has been bounced around a lot. They are now working out of the Santa Cruz Bicycles building. Not sure what Pon.bike is going to do with them. Pon.bike really needs to make sure the brands they own focus correctly. I mean they own Cannondale, Santa Cruz, Cervelo, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose, Roadmaster, Pacific Cycle, Iron Horse, Dyno, Caloi, Focus Bikes, Gazelle, Juliana, Kalkhoff, Urban Arrow, Veloretti, Charge and some others I sure I missed.
  • 2 0
 @Hpbike: Technically out of cervelo in so-cal, not santa cruz, but your point is valid.
  • 3 0
 I had a 2020 Sensor and loved it! Shorten the seat tube and it would be perfect
  • 2 0
 The new Force is sick. DH capable. I have a DH bike and ride a LOT of park and I’d be pretty happy just having the Force. Super stable at speed and in the rough, and quiet.
  • 1 0
 @yakimonti: Thanks for the info. I saw on the Santa Cruz website that they are hiring someone to do a GT job. Are Cervelo bikes built in the Santa Cruz building? I know I heard at one time they thought about it. Not a Cervelo or Santa Cruz dealer. Did used to carry GT.
  • 3 0
 Yes. The hd5 mixed wheel with an aluminum option. They'd sell a billion.
  • 4 1
 I think PB demands a Grim Donut update more than anything else.
  • 3 0
 Spec demo Spec enduro Norco optic Norco Sight Forbidden Druid Trek Slash
  • 4 0
 Should…
Kona 153
  • 2 0
 Intense Sniper. It's what - 4 years old now? Also, Mondraker F Podium (201Cool .
  • 1 0
 I agree on the sniper. I would probably buy one if they updated the 4 year old design.
  • 1 0
 I picked up a leftover 2020 frame in 2021. I don't see anything worth updating.
  • 1 0
 Does every bike have to be longer and slacker? I personally like longer travel bikes that are a bit steeper and shorter than all the new bikes.
  • 3 0
 Ibis Ripmo needs a facelift.
  • 3 0
 Enduro needs steeper seat angle and obviously less warranty issues.
  • 5 3
 And all those will get headset routing Smile
  • 4 1
 Evil Following
  • 14 13
 What a trash article. All these are excellent bikes- still. Way to feed the consumer mentality.
  • 3 2
 Easy now Klaus Schwab, companies do need to survive and bringing new and product to the table is what keeps the bills paid.
  • 3 0
 Scott ransom
  • 5 7
 I’m longing for the Optic to go HP with idler, maintain the 125mm travel, and aggressive geo, but add a flip chip for a MX option, and SJ EVO geo adjustability, and full carbon rear end.
A PF bb, with an eccentric bb would be cool, along with adjustable CS!
  • 1 0
 I have money set aside just for this release, I can't wait. It was in the works as of last year but was also told it looks like 2024.
  • 4 0
 @dirtmcleod: deadly,
I believe Fezzari, and Transition are working on something similar as well.
A mulleted, short travel ripper of a bike!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: The Range feels so bottomless to me, I immediately recognized how capable the right HP setup could make a short travel bike, if executed correctly.
  • 1 0
 @dirtmcleod: I agree
  • 4 2
 High pivot would be wasted on this bike imo. You lose some of the playfulness that makes that type of bike fun.
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Maybe but while it may not be as playful, a 25 pound bike will be more playful than a 30lb bike naturally and some prefer planted and forgiving over all out playful/responsiveness, some terrain calls for it.
  • 2 0
 @dirtmcleod: Would that not then be better served with a Sight?
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: that really depends on both the shock tune, and the progressiveness/kinematics of the suspension travel/setup.
While you can get a bottomless feel from a HP bike, you can also get a well supported bike that’s not as susceptible to braking and chain forces, freeing up the rear end to be more active and supported
  • 2 0
 @dirtmcleod: I feel like a HP idler short travel bike is still gonna be heavier than the best of four bar, and faux bar bikes.
I’d expect the bike I’m hoping for to be 29ish lbs, so 30ish with XC Cushcore, and WAO wheels
  • 1 1
 @rrolly: I think there’s room for all 3 (Range, Sight, Optic) to be HP, idler bikes
125, 150, 170, delicious
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: I look at HP bikes similar to coil shocks. So many people were going bananas over them because they made such a difference in ride quality. But that difference isn't always what is best in all situations. When I got my Sight with a coil those first few rides were frustrating. I was casing jumps, dogging the climbs, and generally found the bike to be too muted. Then I put an air shock on it and, wow, the bike just came alive.
  • 2 0
 @rrolly: you’re not wrong,
Couple things going on there
1. Not sure what Sight it was, but a slightly more progressive suspension suits a coil better, swap a @cascadecomponents link on there, and it’ll change that muted feeling.
2. If you’ve never ridden a coil rear shock, switching to one from an air assembly can be a vastly different experience, most of my clients have the belief that a coil is going to feel more lively, jump better, etc. I think it’s being able to see the spring, that gives off a sense of stored energy. When in reality, a coil shock, when setup to, allows for gobs more traction, more consistent feel, and a ground hugging, hole swallowing experience.

It’s not the coils fault, it’s either incorrect expectations, or a sus design not optimized for a coil.

I hear what you’re saying, the HP bike is trendy, and needs to be met with the correct expectations. I still can’t wait to give one a try
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: Ya, it's not a better or worse thing. It's a better for the situation or ride style thing. I loved the glued to the ground feel of the coil, but not at the expense of everything else. (2019 Sight btw)
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: nice,
Yeah the 2019 Sight was the generation prior to the current one, it’s not a great candidate for a coil shock. The current isn’t too bad, but it’s made better with a Cascade link, which increases the progression, so you can run a lighter spring without bottoming out. But you’re right, it’s a very planted feel.

Different horses as they say
  • 1 0
 I would've guessed the Tantrum Outburst (www.tantrumcycles.com/bikes) and the 2023 SB120 and 140.
  • 1 0
 Oh my. "Next shipment to arrive in 2019".
  • 2 0
 I'd also bet on a a new Kona Process153.
  • 3 2
 $100 says the Optic goes high pivot now that the Fluid is practically right in it’s category. It’s happening.
  • 1 0
 HP on a 125mm bike?? Really?
  • 1 0
 @mybaben: I’d heard first hand 2 years ago their XC team was curious to try an idler setup.
Maybe they did, maybe they liked it.
Or maybe they didn’t like it so it won’t be that.
We’ll see!
  • 1 0
 @dingdong2: Wow. I'm not an expert on that system, but isn't the big advantage its ability to handle big square hits and such? Why would you want that on a 125mm trail bike or XC rig? Any ideas?
  • 2 0
 @mybaben: yup. I was also really surprised to hear that XC riders wanted to test it. Seemed odd.
  • 2 2
 Hopefully more full 27.5 versions of bikes, especially DH bikes. The people want freeride. Not that you would think that reading pinkbike comments
  • 1 0
 oops what I meant to say was we need even more big wheeled extra long trail bikes that are good for nothing but peddling uphill then riding strait back down to your truck without leaving the ground. Wouldn't want any variety or anything.
  • 1 0
 Slayer had updated geometry in 2021. More towards park - slacker ht, shorter reach.
  • 1 0
 Did it really? Or maybe they are just specing longer forks?

I imagine they would make a big deal about new frames, as new moulds are very expensive.
  • 2 0
 @dirtyburger:
Good questions. Maybelline I was wrong, however alloys have different shock mount/brace between top and down tube.
  • 1 0
 Meanwhile, Nicolai is throwing another set of mutators at the market and everyone's happy.
  • 2 1
 Why give the Optic more travel? Steeper seatangle + slacker headangle and its perfect.
  • 3 1
 No internal frame storage please.
  • 1 1
 Right?!
  • 1 0
 Seems like all he wants is internal frame storage
  • 3 4
 Once you have it…. Hard to go back.
  • 4 3
 @mikejwise: see i dont get this, I never used it on my bikes. I dont see the real reason behind it?
a shorter ride? cool, water bottle and maybe a multi tool in my pocket.
longer ride? I have my hip pack anyway...

I just cant get the reason why its a thing other than selling it to the few that think its a good idea to carry Snacks for the diabetics(no offense meant)
  • 11 0
 @HeatedRotor: I'd prob forget my sandwich in their anyway and wonder why raccoons keep trying to steal my bike
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: I used to always ride with a backpack, once i got my stumpjumper i pretty much only use my backpack for 30km+ rides. I use a 1L water bottle and keep the following in the frame storage: first aid kit, pump and tube, tire levers, keys ID/wallet, and some zip ties. Multi tool is mounted to the bottle cage. Really no reason to have my pack unless i need a ton of water or am bringing extra clothes
  • 1 0
 Copy and pasted from a previous reply: I'm genuinely not a fan of frame storage. You keep stuff in there, and when you need it, you need to remove it. Doesn't sound like an issue, but upon removing said thing, you have created void space. Creating void space, instantly turns my bike into a dh maraca. I have simply filled my frame so full that things stop rattling in it and hope to never have to remove anything.
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: I dont carry stuff with me as all our trails arnt far from a car park etc the time id carry that other stuff is longer rides, in my hippack with a water bladder aswell.
IMO i believe most rides done by riders with bikes that have storage are short-range, close to car parks etc rendering it useless(pretty much)
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: maybe it depends where and what you ride. I ride all over the rockies from Calgary to Vancouver and haven't been anywhere that i wouldn't want to have some kind of repair kit and first aid. dont want to be stuck 8km into the bush with a flat
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: 8km away from my car would be my hip pack that would carry that kinda stuff anyway.

But my understanding is having these storage spots cost extra to make and i would 100% rather have a cheaper bike than have inframe storage. OR id would pay more for adjustments like the fuel EX.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: well there's your answer, don't need to wear a hip pack, thats the whole idea
  • 1 0
 MOST of my riding is close to a parking area and I do loops of the various trails. Everything I need for a likely trailside repair is already on my bike. I just go ride. When I do big rides, I carry a pack for water and food, but I am only carrying my pack that I use for trail running, not all this damn weight on my back with tools and such. I hate wearing any sort of pack unless it is necessary. I ran a 50 mile ultra workout wearing a pack, a pack is a last resort.
  • 2 0
 Giant Glory 29?
  • 1 0
 Marins lineup already updated...the XR looking good!!!
  • 1 0
 Can confirm high pivot Optic was at least, in the works last year.
  • 1 0
 Specialized Enduro, Stumpjumper and Epic
  • 2 0
 What would they change apart from the colour? All three are still class leading bikes.
  • 2 0
 @L0rdTom: hopefully the Enduro will get adjustments like the Stumpy Evo, steeper SA and maybe a slightly lower BB? Aside from that its still mint Smile Love mine.
  • 1 0
 @L0rdTom: Enduro... STA and HTA updates (or adjustability), shave some weight, UDH (or compatibility with new SRAM thru-axle setup), mullet link/adjustability, address frame weak points (cracking in headset cups, and around shock tunnel).
  • 1 0
 @L0rdTom:

- Not have the headset bearings riding on raw carbon causing failures and being extremely torque-sensitive.
- Weight.
- Adjustability to reach and chainstay length.
- More travel.
  • 2 0
 proofread, please!
  • 1 0
 Seems like yesterday I got the new (2019) Jeffsy. I miss that bike, a lot.
  • 1 0
 Still rockin 1. So versatile and reliable!
  • 1 0
 New innovative colours for every Santa Cruz
  • 1 0
 My guesses are a Norco Sight and a Specialized Enduro.
  • 2 0
 ...and no singlespeeds.
  • 1 0
 so I hear you like in frame storage ha?
  • 1 0
 All I know is that my 2020 ibis Ripmo AF still rips! No
Update required Smile
  • 1 0
 Every one of the listed bikes needs a steeper STA!
  • 1 0
 I've heard that the Propain Tyee is getting an update this year too.
  • 1 0
 Trek slash??
  • 1 0
 …. I love lamp….
  • 2 1
 Ripmo AF
  • 1 0
 Out of interest, what do you think it needs?
  • 2 0
 @korev: also curious. It just looks old because of the bend in the top tube. Otherwise the geo is spot on with everything else.
  • 1 0
 Forbidden Druid
  • 1 1
 Pivot Switchblade???
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