Review: DVO Onyx SC D1 Enduro Fork

Oct 5, 2023 at 2:42
by Seb Stott  
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Although we've already had a brief ride on DVO's new fork with 38 mm stanchions, the SC D1 with its (relatively) skinny 36 mm chassis is still a key part of DVO's lineup and very much an enduro fork. It's been raced at EWS and EDR World cups, is available with up to 180 mm of travel, and tips the scales at 2,327 g - that number slots in between a RockShox Zeb and Fox 38. Despite the chassis dimensions, those are its natural rivals due to the weight and travel range.

The name (Onyx SC D1) is a bit of a mouthful. The SC stands for single crown while the D1 denotes the D1 bladder cartridge damper which it shares with the (dual crown) Onyx DC D1. DVO's new 38 mm chassis single crown fork is simply called the Onyx D1 38; it appears to be primarily designed for e-bikes.
DVO Onyx SC D1 Specs

• Intended use: enduro
• Travel: 160-180mm (internally adjustable)
• Wheel size/offset: 27.5" – 42mm | 29" - 44mm
• Adjustments: High- & Low-Speed Compression, Rebound, OTT, air pressure (no volume spacers)
• Pressure relief valves
• 36mm stanchions
• Brake mount: 180mm direct
• Weight: 2,327 grams (actual, 215 mm steerer)
• MSRP: $1,074 (29" version)
dvosuspension.com



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Technology & features

Something that sets DVO's forks apart (aside from the polarising colourways) is the spring. Most air springs have air above and below the piston, with a transfer port strategically positioned to automatically allow the air pressure on both sides to balance out so the fork requires minimal force to start moving into its stroke, but still fully extends to allow access to all the travel. Crucially, if you increase the air pressure, the pressure in both chambers increases by the same percentage. This ensures the forces still balance at full extension, meaning the spring force goes to zero at 0% travel.

But in DVO's case, they use a coil negative spring below the piston, with a single air chamber above it to support the weight of the rider. If the rider increases the pressure in the air chamber, they'll need to increase the preload on the coil spring by turning the "OTT" (Off The Top) dial clockwise. This increases the force pushing the fork into its travel, helping to offset the extra force from the air side, so the forces balance out nicely as the fork reaches full extension. The idea is that the rider can adjust the preload on the coil negative spring such that more preload causes the fork to sit deeper into its travel with a softer initial stroke, and less preload makes the fork sit higher with a firmer initial stroke. As we'll discuss below, it doesn't necessarily turn out that way, and it certainly adds complexity to the setup procedure because the air needs to be released before the OTT adjuster can be adjusted.

So, if you want a stiffer spring rate, you first need to measure the air pressure, release all the air, increase the OTT preload to match the higher pressure you're about to set, and then pump up the positive chamber to the new pressure. If the fork is too soft or too firm in the beginning of the stroke, you have to repeat the whole procedure but return to the same pressure after adjusting the OTT.

Fortunately, DVO has a comprehensive setup guide on their website (there isn't a pressure chart printed on the fork itself). Below are the recommended pressure and OTT settings by rider weight.



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Setup

Based on the charts above and my 187 lb / 85 kg weight, I started with 83 psi and 12 turns of OTT (from fully counterclockwise). With these settings, I first tested it on a spring dyno to measure the force-travel curve of the fork. This machine compresses the fork a few millimetres at a time while measuring the force required. It's a static measurement so it has nothing to do with the damper settings, but it measures the force to compress the whole fork, not just the spring. Unfortunately, it can only measure the first 100 -120 mm of travel, but it gives an objective measurement of the forces involved in the beginning and mid-stroke. Thanks again to Mojo Rising for the use of the equipment.

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Looking at the results above, it's clear that the DVO requires substantially more force to get it moving into the first 5 mm of travel when compared to the Fox 38 and even the RockShox Zeb. After around 5mm of travel, the spring force increases more-or-less linearly with travel, and after around 70 mm travel, the 38 is generating more spring force; this shows the DVO is not simply set up too firm, but is actually lacking mid-stroke support compared to the Fox 38 even at 83 psi.

Looking at the force curve of the RockShox Zeb and the Fox 38 in particular, the force builds smoothly from zero force at zero travel (you can see the same thing for the Fox 34 here). It's hard to see how DVO's OTT system could significantly improve on this.



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Sensitivity? More, please.


Performance

To avoid the problem of simply "feeling what I expected to feel", I started riding the fork before analysing the data from the spring tester above. Nevertheless, I could immediately feel that the fork was too stiff at the start of the stroke; it wasn't engaging its travel easily, resulting in poor sensitivity, predictability and inconsistent traction. I soon adjusted the OTT dial to maximum sensitivity (which turned out to be fourteen and a half turns from fully off). This helped a little, but the sensitivity still wasn't great, so I dropped the air pressure incrementally to as low as 75 psi. Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to re-measure the fork at these settings, but the off-the-top sensitivity still wasn't as smooth as I'd like, though much improved.

More to the point, I had to compromise between sensitivity and support. With 80 psi, the fork was harsh at the start of the travel, leading to poor traction and predictability, but with 75 psi, the fork lacked support and dived too readily when braking or cornering.

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The low-and high-speed compression adjustment worked well.
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I tried using the bleed valves to improve the initial sensitivity.

I even tried pressing the lower leg bleeder valves while the fork was compressed in order to create a vacuum in the lowers, which I hoped would improve initial sensitivity, but this didn't make much difference. The best setup was to set the air pressure to 75 psi with the compression damping almost fully closed (low- and high-speed) to help add support. I also needed to run the rebound fairly slowly (15 clicks from closed) to stop the fork from topping out.

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This video was taken with the fork set to 83 psi, with maximum OTT sensitivity and rebound fully open. Obviously, I reduced the pressure and slowed the rebound for testing, but it illustrates how much top-out force the fork is generating at and near full extension even with maximum OTT preload and recommended air pressure.


But ultimately, this is a band-aid solution. The OTT system just doesn't work for heavier (or average weight) riders as the coil negative spring simply isn't strong enough to balance out the force from the air spring with more than about 75 psi. (Remember, DVO recommends 80-85 psi for my weight and up to 100 psi for the heaviest riders).

Could it work for lighter riders? Probably. The range of damping adjustments is ample and intuitive, and even with the compression nearly fully closed, there was no hint of spiking or excessive harshness despite noticeable hydraulic support. Friction and sensitivity once into the travel appears good too, although it's hard to be sure with such a compromised setup, and I had none of the random vagueness or jarring sensations you can get with a flexy fork. I had no issues with undue bottom-outs despite having to run less air pressure than ideal. That's arguably a good thing as there are no plastic volume spacers available to make it more progressive (although you could add oil to the air chamber to achieve a similar effect). But on the other hand, it may be too progressive for those able to run the recommended air pressure.

But I am not an unusually heavy rider - in fact, my weight is right in the middle of DVO's setup chart - so there's no excuse for it not working properly. And even at 75 psi with maximum OTT, the off-the-top sensitivity was only so-so. You may need to go below 70 psi before the OTT dial delivers the promised initial sensitivity and the possibility to adjust it away from fully clockwise if it becomes too soft off the top - which is the main selling point of the OTT system. Looking at DVO's setup chart, pressures that low may only work for riders up to a maximum of 72 Kg / 159 lbs.



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How does it compare?

I've tested a lot of enduro forks and, for my weight and riding style, the DVO ranks near the bottom of those I've tested recently. The blend of sensitivity and support was far better with the Ohlins RXF 38, RockShox Zeb and Fox 38. In terms of performance, I'd put them in this (ascending) order: DVO, Ohlins, RockShox, Fox.

For sure, the Fox 38 Factory and Zeb Ultimate are more expensive ($1,249 USD for the Fox 38; $1,159 USD for the Zeb and $1,074 USD for the DVO), but the Performance and Performance Elite versions of the Fox forks are just as good and can be picked up for a lot less. The Marzocchi Bomber Z1 ($699 USD) is a great option too.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesDVO appears to have done a good job with the damping tune and chassis. But the OTT coil/air spring system is a shortcoming, not a selling point. Even with the "sensitivity adjuster" set to maximum, the sensitivity at the start of the stroke is poor if there's more than 75 psi in the air spring, creating a lack of traction and predictability. But at 85 kg or 187 lbs, I needed 80-85 psi to provide enough support, so I had to choose either adequate sensitivity or support. That's disappointing considering my body weight sits bang in the middle of DVO's setup chart. It could work for lighter riders (under about 72 Kg / 159 lbs). For everyone else at least, there are better options.
Seb Stott




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297 Comments
  • 100 10
 Bold move releasing a low-to-mid performance fork with 36mm stanchions, weighing as much as 38mm offerings from the market leaders, for nearly the same price.
  • 7 1
 They are in the market for sooo long ,even with air release valves that Fox "invented"
  • 49 3
 This Onyx has been on the market for many years already....Not sure why it's being reviewed now when the new DVO forks are being released soon (already on some OE bikes). Weird move by DVO and PB......
  • 11 3
 They could just increase the wall thickness to get the same stiffness and use smaller bushings for less stiction which might explain the weight.
  • 45 3
 I’ve been in an Onyx for 2 years now and it’s been awesome. I weigh the same as Seb and the OTT works as advertised. Many other old reviews out there that love the fork as well.

However I’m also wondering why he’s only now reviewing a 3 year old fork when a new fork is almost ready? Weird timing.
  • 21 15
 Not to mention it’s the worst shade of green seen by human eyes.
  • 115 31
 @Marky771: We sent this fork to PB to test in 2022, not sure how long it was sitting around or if was even ridden but we are confused on why they tested a fork that is no longer in production.
  • 59 34
 @covekid: We feel that same, seems like they have a bone to pick with us.
  • 70 59
 @DVOSuspension1, there's no bone to pick with you at all. Seb published an honest review, and was transparent about the issues he was experiencing during the test process. When the fork was sent out it was still in production, and we were told it was still going to exist when the 38mm option launched, just rebranded under the Diamond moniker.
  • 56 4
 @mikekazimer: Still weird timing.....A 2022 review would have been appropriate...It's almost 2024 and DVO has been talking about new stuff for some time now. PB was just lazy or....?

That said I'm stoked to try their new dual air stuff that they talked about in their press release last month.
  • 62 24
 @DVOSuspension1: totally fair to offer context that may explain any shortcomings, but not a great look to just push back and complain about an honest review
  • 44 14
 Lol a brand being salty in the comments about a fair review… that has worked out so well in the past. Imagine being upset that a fork that people can still buy got reviewed.
  • 21 58
flag Lololmalol (Oct 27, 2023 at 12:17) (Below Threshold)
 @DVOSuspension1: these pink bike guys are a joke. Thanks for sharing the truth
  • 41 20
 @DVOSuspension1: To be fair I haven’t seen Seb give any fork a good review besides his always glowing comparisons to his favorite fox fork. Have a hard time believing any suspension manufacturer will want their products reviewed by these guys moving forward.
  • 77 29
 @bbachmei, we're not going to sugarcoat reviews to appease manufacturers. Seb's testing is fair and thorough, and comparing one fork to another is the best way to allow consumers to make educated decisions.
  • 53 13
 @kookseverywhere:
The timing of the review does seem a bit suspect, DVO just launch a new fork which on paper looks a serious contender to the current Zeb and 38, so Pinkbike bike dust down a fork which they have had for over a year and give it a bit of a slating without talking to DVO, if they ever found fault in a Fox or Rockshox product I’m sure they would have been straight in the phone to get resolved.
  • 38 5
 @mikekazimer:
Sugar coat maybe not, but the amount of exposure given given to the two big suspensions brands does suggest a degree of bias in my mind
  • 46 15
 @mikekazimer: you mean you wont sugar coat reviews for manufacturers who don’t pay your ad revenue aye?
  • 35 12
 @mikekazimer: Okay, so no one makes a good fork besides Fox? If Seb would give one positive review to something that isn’t a Fox product I would believe you but from where I’m sitting it sure seems like you guys have someone very biased doing suspension reviews right now.
  • 36 15
 @bbachmei, there are plenty of good forks out there, and Seb's never said otherwise. Even in the head-to-head review he did of the Zeb vs. 38 the performance of both forks was very close - one didn't blow the other out of the water by any means.

Sure, we do spend plenty of time reviewing suspension from the bigger players, largely because that's what the vast majority of bikes are spec'd with. That said, we also try to get in options from smaller brands to see how they stack up.
  • 19 31
flag The-Spirit-of-Jazz (Oct 27, 2023 at 12:52) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: I don't think reviews like this do anyone involved any good. (Sorry)
  • 54 9
 @mikekazimer: why have you tested a fork and released this review when the fork is obsolete? This review may have damaged a small firms reputation in a mtb market that is absolutely on its knees at the moment. I feel this needs clearly noting in the review and a prompt and honest review of the new fork is in order as soon as it comes to market. @DVOsuspension1.
  • 8 26
flag Lololmalol (Oct 27, 2023 at 12:56) (Below Threshold)
 @drjonnywonderboy: that would involve these guys having some integrity, I wonder if DVO have asked them to review the 38 onyx and they care so little they got an old fork out of storage like yeah… this is green
  • 38 15
 @drjonnywonderboy, the fork isn’t obsolete - it’s still available, and as I mentioned above were were told it was going to stay in the lineup, just with a different name.

We’d be very interested in reviewing the new 38mm Onyx as well, we just haven’t spent any time on one yet.
  • 26 34
flag Lololmalol (Oct 27, 2023 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: where is it available? Everywhere I look around the globe it’s out of stock and the 38 is being pre ordered.

I asked that same question to DVO last month about a new 36mm fork (as I don’t need a 3Cool and they said a completely new 36mm fork is in production as we speak. Your facts are wrong and this is mediocre journalism at best. Do better
  • 19 3
 @mikekazimer: Were you told the fork will stay in production recently or back in 2022? The DVO guy above says the fork is no longer in production....
  • 29 6
 One really wonders what Pinkbike doing with their "tests". I have a Diamond Diamond and the OTT works absolutely great, and the fork is the first ever that can be adjusted to fit my 160 pounds frame. There are literally hundreds of happy users that posted their impression on MTBR Suspension forum.

And by the way: with Manitu, DVO is the only fork in the market that let the end user easily change shims, and come up with a perfect set up for their weight and style. Commenting that the fork "might not be appropriate" for a heavy weight is just silly.
  • 25 2
 @dododuzzi: have to agree. Several DVO forks have been through my home and they have been amazing.

I’m 200lbs and my DVO forks have been easily set up to be super plush and sensitive to start the stroke with plenty of air pressure in the air spring to have plenty of support and bottom out resistance.

In general I actually like Pink Bike reviews, but in all honesty, I roll my eyes when a Seb review comes up. Massive, massive bias is oozing from his reviews.
  • 11 2
 @mikekazimer: To review the fork in a timely manner upon receiving it would be respectful to DVO after lending it to PB for review. Assuming that is what they do and don't just give you the fork but rather expect it to be returned raffled off or something as such..., Right? Regardless, if any notion was made of the extended availability / manufacturing of said fork, this test should have been carried out in the manner as stated above, to be fair.

You wouldn't borrow your neighbors weed eater and not return it for almost 2 yrs now would you, unless they moved the next day or died or something whack???
  • 8 5
 @likeittacky: clearly you never worked in the industry Smaller products like a fork are probably not expected to he returned. In many cases brands just send out products to any media outlets that are big enough or that they have a good relation with. Now that means that 99% of the time there is too many products sent for a given amount of journalists available so you need to make a choice of what you test Usually the choice is as follow: most interesting/exciting/rare product, products of the brands that pay for advertising and the more you spend the more likely you will have one or many products reviewed, everything else that is somewhat interesting and can be added to the testing schedule. Clearly DVO ended in the latter catergory and since it is only a Suntour with green stickers and Suntour older spring tech I can see why the journalistic value of testing such fork was very very low and since they don't advertise on pinkbike they remained in third category and didn't get bump to second category. Now is it fair that if you product isn't exciting but you pay for advertising you get bump a bit earlier in the line ? Considering that they review products for free and only have a given amount of ride time to do so I would say yes. You need to create a priority list and those that actually support your media by spending at it would deserve a better treatment than those that just take a free ride right ?
  • 7 0
 Don’t get the logic that the natural rivals are the Zeb and 38s because they weight the same.

Surely the rivals are the lyrics and 36s and then compare with consideration for the fact these are a wedge heavier.
  • 6 3
 Hot damn people sure took this personally lmao. I thought we all knew different people like different stuff. Seb seems to most enjoy fox, others don't. It's not even like he said it was a bad fork, just a bit stiff at first compared to others. I really doubt there's some conspiracy going on with PB trying to destroy DVO while being paid by Fox. Guys come on! I love my fox 36 and my dvo topaz. Remember how often people say shimano is better than sram, imagine believing they're only saying that because they're paid shills trying to destroy sram..
  • 9 12
 @DylanH93: The PB comments are full of conspiracy theorists. It seems like a misunderstanding about the timing, but a review is a review. Discontinued or not, Seb reviewed it, and made a call. I have been reading Seb's, Kazimer's and others reviews for years, and have made purchase decisions based on these reviews. So far, all they have written has rang true in my personal experiences with the products. It seems as though there are a bunch of angry DVO owners that did not get the confirmation bias they were looking for.
  • 8 8
 @DVOSuspension1: our shop tried to get behind what you are going. Unfortunately you decided not to stand behind your product and refused warranty to customers with less than 20 hours on the product. Your customer service was among the worst that I’ve expoing my 10 years in bike shops. There’s a reason we stopped stocking any bikes with your suspension as OEM. I guess there’s a lot of bones to pick.
  • 2 1
 I find that hard to believe, gotta be more to it. (doing not going)
  • 6 5
 @mikekazimer: it sounds like an honest review was published, Seb must have forgotten to press submit last year. Ceteris paribus Pinkbike.
  • 3 4
 @dmackyaheard: it's funny how personally we can take things in mtb. Like someone says "I enjoy horst link more than twin pivot" and the response is "oh so you're satan huh?" With how much money we invest into these products like a fork, it does suck to hear someone ripping on it especially if you enjoyed it. While everyone has preferences, I believe most of these products are generally pretty good.
  • 3 1
 @mikekazimer: don’t sugar coat a crappy product
  • 1 1
 @crazyknowledge: the brands that produce the most new products the most often, get the most exposure? So biased
  • 1 1
 @Marky771: that's really weird
  • 2 1
 @covekid: that's weird , true. And it's also very very difficult expecting to see a positive review if not from a (2) big brand.
  • 1 1
 @crazyknowledge: totally agree with you
  • 1 1
 @bbachmei: I have the same feeling
  • 12 6
 In my experience wrenching at bike shops people often buy dvo to replace the worn out suspension that came as oem on their mid/entry level bikes. Since they can’t or don’t want to afford factory or ultimate they see dvo as a viable alternative. At this point any brand new fork compared to the clapped out rockshox 35 or similar that it’s replacing will feel amazing, hence so many positive customer reviews of dvo. I’ve never rode a dvo that impressed me in any way.

Why are people so upset that a company like fox or rockshox, who have decades of experience, massive r&d budgets, hundreds of pro athletes and multiple race teams to deliver feedback, and (in the case of fox), multiple motor sports with longer histories than mtb to draw from, should make a better product than some small company operating with a fraction of the budget? Dvo have some great ideas, which can be refreshing as a consumer, but it’s no surprise their products don’t compete with the big boys. Sure, Fox and Sram have had plenty of qc issues over the years, as any large scale manufacturer will, but from a pure performance standpoint it only makes sense that a professional reviewer, who has ridden more frequently and a more diverse product range than any non -industry person ever will, should find the bigger brands make a superior product.

All this is to say, if dvo products were significantly cheaper than performance level, I think they could get a free pass on a few performance issues. But they are expensive, (and green), so we must judge them accordingly.
  • 15 16
 @idontknowwhatiexpected: That was so far off the mark it's almost silly.

I replaced current model Fox Factory forks with DVO forks and that's when I was blown away with how good they are. I also know several other riders who have had the same experience going from $1,100 Fox factory stuff to DVO. One of my buddies summed it up pretty cleanly after his first ride on his Diamond; "Fox should be embarrassed by their forks compared to to this thing".

This review pisses a lot of DVO owners off because it's also soooo far off the mark from what they have experienced. Then add to it that DVO made clear that they tried to discuss this with Seb, even wanting to do video calls, and evidently Seb ghosted them. If that is true, that is extremely unprofessional and honestly calls into question if there ever was an issue with the fork to begin with.
  • 11 6
 @FrankS29: Seb posted an honest review, and even added some objective data to back up his experience. I have no idea why people are so offended by this. If you’ve had a great experience, great! No reason to be mad about this review
  • 15 1
 @justridingalong1: An honest review would include the fact that this fork sat in a box for well over a year, it would include the fact that DVO tried to help Seb figure out what was going on with the fork and Seb decided not to follow through, it would include significantly more information about his testing.

This is not an honest review. It might reflect some of his experience with the fork, but it conveniently leaves out a lot of very pertinent information.

To add, poor data is worse than no data. We have no idea how the testing was done.

One run each?

Multiple runs each and averaged?

Did all the forks have the same amount of hours on them?

It's useless data if the other 2 forks have 80+ hours on them and freshly serviced and the DVO was fresh out of the box, after a long time on a shelf.

It's entirely possible the OTT system was malfunctioning or was broken, especially if someone accidently made adjustments while the fork was under pressure. Maybe someone didn't realize the OTT system doesn't work off of "clicks" but full rotations...
  • 3 10
flag Durtwrx (Oct 30, 2023 at 7:56) (Below Threshold)
 @DVOSuspension1: Pinkbike is a KooK Fest
  • 2 3
 @The-Spirit-of-Jazz: correct
Truth hurts
  • 6 0
 @FrankS29: "Fox should be embarrassed by their forks compared to to this thing".

My experience with most "off brand" (in a bike shops words) suspension products is that they fall into this category. My DVO products in the past were great with both forks I had, but it seems like around the time the Giant OEM deal fell through, something changed and they started having more QC problems. I know it's a small sample, but everyone I know who has had a DVO fork since then has had major problems and you can find well publicized coverage of bushing problems from DVO in recent years. I doubt this applies to every fork made, but that's the issue with QC problems...you don't know. It might be great, it might not, and that's frustrating as a consumer.

So I have no doubt there was likely an issue here, you could probably verify it if you threw a working one into a dyno and compared spring charts to the above. There are enough riders on this fork to know that if you are concluding a 180lb rider shouldn't be the rider weight limit, so something is clearly amiss.

That said, PB isn't perfect either and if they reached out to DVO, then didn't bother to respond to DVOs reply, that is poor form as well. Despite my concerns about their QC, I've spoken to them on the phone numerous times and they were incredibly helpful every time, so if a customer had this problem then I'd have no doubt they would solve it, even if it is frustrating and shouldn't have happened in the first place. There are plenty of other reviews here, as well, where they followed up with vendors after something didn't work right and then gave them another shot (obviously documenting the failure in the review) with a working product, so not doing so here is poor even if there has been a record of problems.
  • 10 9
 @mikekazimer: In this case, was this review actually thorough? Cause it doesn’t seem that way. And if it isn’t thorough enough to acknowledge there was an issue with this particular fork and actually talk to the manufacturer to resolve it, then that isn’t actually fair testing at all. There can be issues with any product. Take the new Slash you just reviewed as an example, with chain drop issues. You notified the manufacturer, and they addressed and fixed the issue which allowed you to continue conducting a fair review. You noted it, and were transparent about it. Now imagine if you hadn’t done that, and you based your whole review on something avoidable.
Was this intentional? I don’t think so. At least I Reallly hope not. I think this is a result of the review being rushed due to being lazy. Which is punctuated by the fact that your team have sat on the fork for how long? And now that this fork is literally at the end of its lifecycle you publish a review? So there really isn’t much surprise that the reviewer didn’t respond to DVO when they tried to work with him because this review was already sooooo late. There was no time left. It’s like he waited until the last possible moment to hand in his homework, but instead of someone else grading his work, he is grading someone else’s.
  • 10 3
 I own this fork… as a 200 pound guy I can confirm this review pretty much sums up how I feel about the fork. I’ve been tweaking it for ages and even with the awesome tech support from dvo I either have to sacrifice mid stroke support or sensitivity, can’t have both as a heavier rider with this one. Which really sucks to have made such a huge purchase that I regret.
  • 1 0
 @Crankmiester: As a 210lb rider I too fought with this with my old DVO. You may find some improvement in lowering the volume of the air chamber. I know DVO recommends adding oil, but a local shop hooked me up with a bottom out bumber from a Fox DPX 2 rear shock. They said it fits perfectly into the air spring chamber. I noticed a HUGE improvement after this. More supple off the top, better support and a lot more bottom out resistance.
I can't guarantee that the air spring is the same from my old fork to yours, but it may be worth looking into.
  • 1 0
 I had one on my Ripmo AF and thought it was a good fork, but now that I am running a Fox Factory 38 I have to agree with the reviewer. The 38 Factory is a superior fork but I prefer the Onyx to the Fox36.
  • 1 0
 @colebmx: Can you provide a link to what spacers you are talking about?

Or as they are correctly called "bottom out bumber from a Fox DPX 2"?
  • 1 0
 @vovok007: I could be wrong and confused as its been a while since getting the information. I think it is the foam piece in step 8 in the link here www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=978 in a float X2, not a DPX2.
From my recolection it can only be purchased with the full rebuild kit, so asking the local suspension tech if he has any old ones would be your best bet.
Again, im not sure of the exact part, but I know it was a bottom out bumper from a fox shock.
  • 55 6
 As someone who's owned two DVO forks with OTT, and is a part of a few different DVO forums, I think the bushings on this fork likely need resizing/honing, it's a relatively common production issue. With proper bushing fit, it's very easy for mid-weight riders to easy to set up the OTT so initial stroke is supple. Not making excuses for the brand, but it is what it is, it's best to take them to a suspension shop to have those bushings honed.
  • 134 0
 Hear what you're saying, but there's nothing more disappointing than any product that needs service brand new right out of the box.
  • 63 1
 Buyers shouldn't have to take their almost $1100 USD fork straight from the manufacturer to a suspension center so it works right. Admittedly, other brands have some QC Issues, but not this bad or consistently.
  • 6 0
 Burnished?
  • 53 4
 @krka73: As bone dry lowers of Rockshox forks or Fox's negative chambers full of grease straight outta the factory...
  • 8 0
 @novas752: like I said, disappointing for any product, not limited to suspension either.
  • 7 0
 @krka73: now imagine if it were the very expensive EXT ERA v.1.
  • 19 2
 @krka73: I agree with you but would like to point out that forks from the big two often also need a service right out of the box.
It’s really not uncommon to get Rock Shox forks with uneven bushings and barely any lube. Or Fox forks with the negative air chamber half full of grease.
  • 14 1
 @novas752: Yes but also big difference between needing a 15 minute lower service for the cost of oil vs having to bore bushings to be lined up and sized correctly. FYI my Zeb had plenty of lower leg oil new.
  • 28 0
 @shinook:

My new 38 needed service out of the box. With the right pressure it felt harsh af and if you lowered the pressure to get it a bit more sensitive it dived like Neymar.

After I removed enough grease for 100 forks out of the negative chamber it is like night and day.

A shame that so expensive products have so bad QC.
  • 11 0
 @krka73:

Totally agree.

I will still throw out my two cents that when I first got this fork, within a few weeks I was noticing stiction at the beginning of the stroke.

After reading a bunch of forums (that included a lot of helpful suggestions from mammal) I dropped the lowers, poured out the four drops of completely black factory oil, greased the h*ck out of the seals, and put 2x the amount of Fox Gold recommended by DVO into the legs. It's run like a dream since then (with semi-regular maintenance).

Again, I agree that it's a HUGE disappointment to receive such an expensive item in a subpar state, but I want people to know (especially people who have ended up with this fork as part of their build kit) that if you work out a couple kinks this can actually be a really awesome fork.
  • 16 26
flag lukazy (Oct 27, 2023 at 10:30) (Below Threshold)
 all forks need to have the bushings burnished a.k.a. resized. It’s the first thing that any professional race team does to their forks. The fact that pinkbike does not burnish the bushings before testing is forks has always made me completely disregard these reviews. Basically the fork with the loosest bushings wins every time. if you don’t burnish the bushings, you have to ride the fork for at least 10 hours before it’s fully broken in. Starting with a bunch of new forks out of the box and not burnishing the bushings is guaranteed to make for some very arbitrary testing. this has been my single biggest complaint with all of pinkbikers testing from the beginning of time. I just can’t take their front suspension reviews seriously, and they never even mention it lol.
  • 8 0
 @krka73: had to do that EXACT thing w my (2) brand new Fox 38 Factories (too much grease in ports from the factory). Grass isn't always greener.
  • 18 1
 @lukazy:

Take a drink every time lukazy says “burnish the bushings”
  • 38 1
 @lukazy: How many consumers do you think have access to burnishing tools? I'd take that a step further and ask how many bike shops or suspension centers do? How about the knowledge of proper use? Improper use can cause bushing knock or other issues just as much as it can solve problems with tight bushings.

You shouldn't pay $1100 for something that requires a $120+ set of tools and specialized expertise to make it work properly or require immediate service. You shouldn't have to remove air spring grease, you shouldn't have to add bath oil, and you shouldn't have to burnish bushings on a fork you just bought. This should be done properly to begin with.

Consumers in the mountain biking industry need to expect and demand more from manufacturers. I generally agree that, in the past, PB fork reviews have been lacking in some cases, but this isn't one of the reasons why. Doing something to a fork that most consumers don't have access to just so it works properly shouldn't be part of a review. Pulling something off the shelf reflects the experience the general public will have.
  • 2 0
 @Ttimer: its pretty frustrating how common this is from the fork manufacturers. It makes me really worried about QC from a company when they knowingly send something in for review without checking, so it feels like there is no chance they will have tested the one I buy.
  • 4 0
 Yup. I really like my Onyx after the bushings were "sized" as DVO puts it. Really controlled, plush and predictable fork.
It did suck to box it up and ship after the first 3 rides. I've seen the Fox over-grease issue as well. At least that can be fixed at home. Neither issue should be something that we have to deal with.
  • 16 0
 @lukazy: As someone who isn't a professional race team, this means nothing to the average consumer. I don't want to know what a fork feels like after costly work, I want to know what it feels like when I buy it. I can understand letting a fork wear in before casting judgement, but having to resize bushings is simply not going to happen on 99% of forks sold. Expecting the end user to have to do so is just silly.
  • 4 0
 @shinook: you’d think for the money you’d be right but forks for all manufacturers are really sketchy out of the factory and it’s quite common for forks to have no oil or grease or too much oil etc stantions out of alignment. You really do need to take a new fork apart just to make sure someone bothered to put oil. The bushings are a non issue for anyone but race teams that don’t have time or won’t get a fork to last long enough to wear the bushings in.
  • 15 0
 A $1000 fork shouldn’t need the lowers dropped.

Fox forks shouldn’t need the air shafts wiped off since they’re over greased. RockShox and DVO shouldn’t need bushings honed or replaced.


And yet………….
  • 2 0
 @shinook:
Totally agree but it’s seems every single manufacturer have had QC issues of some sort or the other on recently released products, it seems the norm that new forks need stripping down and setting up / servicing before use, considering the cost of these products it’s a joke.
It seems the best way is to buy is from an independent tuning company who do this before sending out
  • 8 0
 It sucks, but I had to have my Onyx bushings done by Suspensionwerx in N Van (under warranty). It is now both a smooth and well damped fork. Both SW and DVO have provided top notch customer support. Conversely, the service I received from Fox Canada for a Marz product was absolutely the worst I have ever received from this “industry”.
  • 1 0
 @novas752: most can just fix that at home.
  • 4 0
 Actually I believe Paul Aston had such issue with the fork and couldn't get more than halfway of the fork's travel. Considering the price of the fork and that it is a Durolux 36 with older air spring, having QC issues on top of all that is a hard pass for me, especially when there are good viable options out there, often time cheaper too with online retailers.
  • 1 0
 @lukazy: sorry for my ignorance. But what exactly is “burnish the bushings”? What kind of procedure is this and why you would do it?
  • 2 2
 @shinook: totally agree. My point was that it takes a fork on average 5-10 hours of riding to break in. So for the average consumer, all you need to do is ride your bike, five or 10 times and then your fork will begin to perform as it is supposed to. My suggestion for pinkbike @steb-stott @mikekazimer is to the burnish the bushings (drink) on the forks they test so that they can skip the break in period and test the fork with it functioning as it is supposed to. this is common with other tests, automotive, motorcycle, etc. things being broken in before they are tested. The backstory on this is that bushings used to be made to be replaceable so the tolerances were more precise. Now bushings are designed the last life of the fork, and so they are made tighter from the factory. Rockshox especially, and if you notice every single rockshox review for the last two years has said they lack the suppleness of the fox. This is exclusively due to new bushings being .001 mm to tight and needing to be broken in.
  • 2 1
 @mr-fabio: Burnishing is where you take basically something that looks like a big metal plug, in this case the size of your fork stanchions, and stuff it down your fork lowers so as to "plasticly deform" the fork bushings to make them a slightly larger diameter. The process precision fits the stanchions to the fork lowers, and the process is critical to having a buttery fork since relying on break in won't work if the stanchions or the bushings, or both, are out of spec.
  • 1 0
 @polarflux: interesting, do most forks come pre-burnished?
  • 2 1
 @Roost66: if the fit is good outside of the factory it is not needed so I guess you can say they come pre burnished. Fox is know for a rather slack fit while RS is more on the tight side. The first one often needs replacement after one or two seasons, the later usually doesn't need to ever be replaced but that also means that the fork is not as sensitive as it could be out of the box. And then you have DVO, Suntour and Ohlin that had some serious bushing issues with the plastic material swelling resulting in an excessively tight fit and forks that basically don't work unless being burnished or in the worst cases have their bushings replaced. Burnishing is great to improve sensitivity but it comes at the price of longevity.
  • 2 4
 @krka73: there is no fork out there that has properly aligned and sized bushings from the factory. Every fork need the bushings done to work very well!
  • 1 1
 @NicoOfner: lmao why would make this up that’s not true at all
  • 1 0
 @bigmeatpete420: It is. Every fork will be improved by properly sizing and aligning the bushings. That's usually what's wrong with the forks when they feel harsh even when almost brand new. Every WC racers fork gets the bushings sized and aligned for exactly that reason.....almost no fork is good from the factory in that regard. You can even search for an article from Fox about this
  • 1 1
 @NicoOfner: this just not true. Most forks I’ve owned are fine from the factory. You also realize that’s World Cup forks and what we use are not the same. You can have much looser fits that wear fast than what you and I ride. But sure send your fork out that doesn’t need this and ask your suspension shop to do it lol
  • 7 1
 The issue has nothing to do with bushing fitment or friction. It's 100% the air spring design. If you run the fork with 70 psi and full OTT, it feels great, but you're going to have to be pretty light for that setup to offer enough support. The force/travel graph basically tells the story.
  • 4 0
 @seb-stott: I disagree. I have the same fork, run it at between 72-75 psi, and OTT at 8. Great small bump, and very good support. The only time it had issues with any kind off excessive friction was before I had the bushings done at the suspension shop. Silky smooth afterward.
  • 3 0
 @seb-stott: I should also mention that I'm around 180lbs kitted, but with the OTT at 8, there should be plenty of adjustment left for people up around 195-200lbs with their required higher PSI. It's no fault of your own, but your issues with this fork don't seem to be design related, as there are plenty of them out there that perform very well.
  • 2 0
 @seb-stott: If you had empirical data to show this, I would be inclined to believe you.
  • 1 0
 @colebmx: he does and has provided it. The spring rate is measured in a static maner, positon per position so bushing fitting has nothing to do in this case.
  • 42 1
 Manitou Mezzer Expert = $850 add IRT for $50 (2062 grams)
or
Manitou Mezzer Pro = $1,099.99 (2032 grams)
Both on sale right now Expert $509.99 and Pro $659.99
I just picked up the Pro and have 1/2 dozen rides on it, Its a very good fork with crazy adjustability.
  • 5 0
 Dude, after reading this, I went there right away to buy me a 29er but its out of stock. Life is not fair.
  • 5 3
 It's bad enough it's not even mentioned among the competitor's at the bottom of the page
  • 16 0
 The Mezzer Pro for $660 is an absurdly good deal and the fork rides great for most people right out of the box, heavier riders included.
  • 8 0
 @PHeller: I bought one earlier this year (the pro) for 27.5" on sell for like $450 new from jenson. Was the best spur of the moment bike purchase I have ever made. It is super supple off the top and has fantastic damping. I'd say a fresh 38 is right there as far as supple off top goes but the ease of spring tuning on the dorado air spring and the add of the hydraulic bottom out are both options the 38 just doesn't have.
  • 9 0
 I love my Mezzer, one of the best forks I've ever used. Makes me want to try out the Mara Pro shock as well.
  • 3 1
 @mountguitars: Just run a road tire in the front.
  • 7 0
 Also on Mezzer Pro at 170mm, 165lbs, and love it. Honestly don’t think I would trade it for any other fork at even money.
  • 7 0
 Yep, Mezzers are the bomb. Been running mine for a couple seasons. It’s the real deal.
  • 1 0
 I'm also on Mezzer Pro and agree it's an amazing fork. Also half the price from all the competition...
  • 27 22
 Don’t care if he’s right, not reading his drivel.
  • 5 1
 Good read. Thanks.
  • 30 1
 Aston i feel has lost all what he was about, he basically creates zero content except using money to make bikes for himself. just a raffle site now which is a shame.
  • 2 2
 A very good read, thanks
  • 8 4
 wait, is that dude selling entrances to participate in a lottery for parts? if thats the case, that falls (at least when it comes to german law) under the definition of gambling.
  • 14 2
 Aston comes off as a sniveling child even when being honest. Especially at the end there; "If DVO isn't happy about this send me $4000 in suspension free of charge, I will keep one and sell the other.".
  • 12 2
 @noodlewitnosteeze: you are right. I’m just posting this to show others. I think he’s kinda a huge clown.
  • 6 1
 @bigmeatpete420: preaching unbias while being super bias in the same sentences. Thats what he became. Unfortunately he felt entitled to defend some brands/approaches
  • 1 0
 That's weird. I'd have been intrigued enough at least to air down to see if it moved full range. Then it's easy with DVO to pull the cartridges and localise the problem to bushings, damper, or air spring, especially with all that $ on the line.

Maybe he forgot to put a drop of thread seal on the hose clip?
  • 22 0
 Would love to see more of those force vs travel graphs for other suspension options! Well done going the extra mile to include some objective data alongside the review Smile
  • 2 0
 Agreed - every fork review needs these graphs!
  • 4 2
 Not everything objective is true or useful. Pb needs to explain how they generated the data more than they need to show more graphs. Just off the top of the head, questions people should be asking include how much difference is there between one test run (of the same fork) on this device and another test? Is that early travel steep portion of the curve there every run? That jog at 70 mm where the spring force falls away? If the variance is even moderate, all three of those colored lines representing all three test forks become the same dang line, indistinguishable. But even more important, how representative of other Onyxes, other Zebs, other 38s are those data? If the forks vary individually (and they likely do) then it severely limits the predictive power to say ‘buy a 38 (randomly selected from the hundreds of units shipped in a season) and it will ride like this, buy an Onyx and it will ride like that.’ Anyone with MS paint can draw a graph, and anyone with a ruler can misread or misreport it. Is this for entertainment value, or do you want it to be true?
  • 21 2
 What a lame response from DVO. This fork is for sale ALL OVER the internet. DVO acting like this fork is something way in the past this they are clearly trying to distance themselves from meanwhile it’s for sale in their own website. DVO, you should have hired a media consultant to put out one response in the actual article, and move on. You blew it, the fork isn’t good, and you’re still selling it.
  • 22 0
 Come back next week for the Manitou Sherman review!
  • 2 0
 LMAO
  • 18 2
 This article validates my frustrations with my Onyx. At ~200lbs, I also struggle to balance sensitivity and support. I even had DVO rework the bushings under warranty (well, partially under warranty. I still have to pay a total of ~$90 for shipping and other labor). This did help a bit but should not have been necessary. After everything I've tried with the fork (pro service, self service, variety of settings), I would say it now performs OK: not great, not terrible. I will choose something else at the next reasonable opportunity.
  • 5 1
 I'm a heavy rider and I have both a Fox 36 and a MRP Ribbon (150mm). Both work really well for me, and still have some adjustment left once they're set up for my weight. I personally give a slight edge to the Ribbon since it's a tiny bit plusher since the last service when I had the chocolux internals installed. I also am a big fan of the Ramp Control and am considering adding it to my Fox 36, since it's my only major gripe about it. I really like being able to dial in more progression depending on the terrain.
  • 3 0
 I'm a chunker too (~ 210lbs), but I like mine. I had the same bushing problems, but DVO sorted it out for me. I only had to pay for shipping one way which still sucks for a warranty, but since they got everything going well I'm happy. I use Fox Gold for the lowers and an extra 10cc of it above the air spring. Don't know what Fox puts in that stuff, but it just so damn slick. I run the 10cc above the air spring as I found the suggested pressures to be way too harsh (This seems to be the case with every fork I've had) and needed some bottom out protection. Set my sag (standing on pedals) at about 30% it ended up just over 70psi. OTT is at 12 turns and I put a 3d printed cap to hold it in place (would unwind itself while riding before I sent it in, not sure if it would now, but it's easier to just to put the cap on). Center is nice and squishy, the mid travel can eat the rock gardens, and it takes a heavy hit to bottom it out.

I like it, but then again who knows maybe I ride like a spaz and my monkey arms give me a weird riding stance.
  • 17 4
 As a owner of a current DVO diamond fork.... Just don't.... It sucks... Less than year old and already need warranty work done. The whole process has left a bad taste in my mouth and won't ever get DVO suspension again... Also after some interwebb sleuthing I've found tons of stories with folks having the exact same issues with their forks... QC at DVO isn't existent IMO...
  • 3 2
 As a friend of an owner of one I concur lol. I feel for him but I tire of all the moaning about how much he hates it.
  • 12 0
 The irony here is that the goal we all have of combining off the top suppleness and mid stroke support is so well delivered by the Mezzer Pro — yet pinkbike reviewers pretend it doesn’t exist all because of some out of tolerance bushings in the one they reviewed yrs ago?
  • 24 11
 I almost feel bad for the dvo guys but it’s true. Your stuff just isn’t nearly as good as well literally anything. Also @ SEB there’s a new non coil neg spring option
  • 14 24
flag DVOSuspension1 (Oct 27, 2023 at 11:15) (Below Threshold)
 Thanks, it's strange they test a fork that's no longer in production. We also sent this fork to them for testing over a year ago.
  • 16 3
 @DVOSuspension1: wait so when I buy a fork from you it doesn’t sit for a year also? That’s not a good excuse. Plenty of people are riding year old if not more fork. I think you just need to deal with your quality control. Plus fox and RS have really made some amazing products so I see why it’s hard to compete when trying to be different as a selling point.
  • 19 2
 @DVOSuspension1: if it was tested a year ago and if it was still in production what difference would it make?
  • 8 2
 @kingbike2: innit, why can't they own the problem instead of whining?
  • 18 4
 DVO responses seem a bit confrontational for a PB comment section. Not a great look. Best to keep this fight private.
  • 15 1
 This is dinner on their table, if they think they got done dirty I don’t mind the rebuttals one bit.

Bit biased here admittedly as my Onyx @180mm is an absolute gluten for punishment (on the big bike, most rides have 15’ drops, hucks to flat etc) and just keeps taking it and feels miles better than my new fox factory 36 I got on close out for the b bike. The OTT has been a game changer for me at 175lbs and super aggressive riding, the thing just tracks in the blown out socal blacks I’m hitting.
  • 13 2
 But why review the Onyx 36 now? It's about to be replaced with the 38mm version. Also, @Seb did you communicate with DVO to see if they come with any suggestions for the issues you had with the fork?
  • 30 13
 Its really strange timing, he did reach out to one of our guys about set-up issues via a few emails but when we wanted to have a video or phone call to go over the issues there was radio silence. We also suggested they review the all new Onyx 38 because the 36 will no longer be produced but, one again, radio silence.
  • 26 15
 Ohh wow Seb doesn't like another fork that isn't fox, what a surprise! Can we please have someone who is not so obviously biased towards one brand reviewing suspension products.
  • 15 37
flag DVOSuspension1 (Oct 27, 2023 at 11:16) (Below Threshold)
 This review seems suspect especially after it took more than a year to review and it is no longer in production. The all new and improved 38mm Onyx is shipping.
  • 15 3
 @DVOSuspension1:
I bet Pinkbike have never left a Fox or Rockshox product sitting about for over a year before reviewing…..
  • 33 2
 @DVOSuspension1: You keep posting this. Take responsibility instead. Your defensive response does nothing to help y’all out.
  • 7 3
 @Chondog94: you don't think that's strange? Why dunk on an old product when a new one is about to be released?

It also doesn't help pb doesn't cast a wider net with testers. They need to find some people in a WIDE range of weights from 100 to 250 lbs to test the same products. The products may feel like trash to a 150lb rider but it may be gold to a 120 lb lightweight like myself. New fox forks simply don't work for me. The old Fox 32 I had was great (despite the compression settings being useless) but both of the 36s I had were awful. I did a full avalanche conversion on one which was better. Then on my newest bike I switched to a lyrik ultimate which is miles better for me. The other commenters, and the review, make me think this DVO would also be great.

I never had a whole lot of trust in pb reviews to begin with considering the positive comments on many 'bad' products they've reviewed. This review in particular makes me question if I can trust them at all, especially for suspension.
  • 10 0
 this is my favorite Seb comment for a few reasons

"Similarly, if you've been reading the comments under some of the Shock Week articles, you're probably wondering how many times the Fox X2 shock exploded. For what it's worth, I've had no issues with the shock on the Canyon, or any other X2 since the 2020 update."
  • 9 0
 A contributing factor to the poor sensitivity is the wiper seals. DVO and SR Suntour are still using Trelleborg(TSS) seals, which are crap. Fox and RS both use SKF seals which are significantly superior with way less friction. Manitou recently switched to SKF, and they have been the seal of choice for Öhlins and Cane Creek. When rebuilding DVO, I am now using the green SKF branded seals and they feel much better. It doesn’t solve the negative spring problem for heavy riders, but makes a significant improvement in the sensitivity department. There is also a very sticky u-cup seal it the D1 damper sealhead that can be swapped for a quad ring to further reduce friction.
  • 4 0
 I checked the dimensions of the green SKF wiper seals but those were slightly different from the TSS ones. Which green SKF are you using? The ones meant for Fox with flanges or without flanges?
  • 2 0
 Same question what skf seal fits?
  • 2 0
 The Durolux 38 and Rux 38 come with SKF green seals and it does help a lot for sensitivity. The SKF also do a better job of keeping the dirt out. The EQ air system helps with the initial breakaway compared to the older SRS coil negative set up....easier to set up for any weight rider.
  • 1 0
 Thirded, I'm about to order seals for my SR Suntour fork.
  • 3 0
 @nicolasyanncouturier: use the flanged version, the flangeless versions sits too deep into the lowers and squishes the foam ring. You could use MTB36F or MTB36OHL, MTB35R for the Diamond.
  • 1 0
 @nastynate711:
What seal for the Onyx?
Can you specify the quad seal for the damper?
Thanks!
  • 2 0
 @real-skookum: you can use either of the flanged 36mm seals, MTB36F or MTB36OHL, just don’t use a flangeless seal. Sometimes you have to be extra careful not to pinch the foam rings, but the SKF foam rings are so soft that it’s ok they fit a little tight. For the quad ring, it’s either a -110 or -111, I don’t remember off-hand which one it was. But those forks have run plenty of hours with no issues.
  • 1 0
 @real-skookum @nicolasyanncouturier: actually, I was wrong on the wiper seals, just measured them at the shop. The DVO and Suntour seals all measure 1mm less on the OD. I was thinking of Manitou, with those you can just use the flanged version of whatever diameter you need. The quad ring in the D1 dampers definitely works well though.
  • 1 0
 @adamweld: unfortunately you’re stuck with SR Suntour seals, the OD is 1mm smaller and the foam rings are really thin.
  • 1 0
 @nastynate711: shame I’ve already ordered them for my onyx Frown
  • 1 0
 @Phones: sorry about that, I'll trade you for some DVO Seals if you'd like. I'll DM you
  • 9 0
 I’ve found the same after setting up many an Onyx and Diamond for people. The Onyx OTT springs are just too weak. The Diamond ones are perfect.

I’m 145lbs and my Onyx is just a few turns away from max OTT. When I had a Diamond I ran it just a few turns from *minimum* OTT.

Luckily, since I’m lighter, my Onyx works perfect for me. Best fork I’ve ever ridden, totally opposite the reviewer’s experience here.
  • 5 0
 Same experience here. I’m on the lighter side and have my OTT cranked way higher than what’s on their setup chart, and it works great… which means that anyone heavier than me is effectively screwed
  • 2 0
 I have a first gen Diamond 170 27.5. The OTT felt awesome and the mid stroke was better than my 170 lyrik ultimate charger 2.1 with similar sag/ramp. I'm about 160lbs kitted. The airspring cartridge failed after a season. It would leak air out of the cartridge into the lowers and blow the wiper seals off. I recently had a coworker help me find a replacement and service it, but I haven't ridden it again to compare to the lyrik. It was 590$ on sale on Universalcycles.com back in 2019 (the rootbeer color was even cheaper), and the performance for the first season was awesome. I'm hesitant to buy anything else from them...especially with current prices.
  • 8 0
 "curve of the RockShox Zeb and the Fox 38 in particular, the force builds smoothly from zero force at zero travel"

No, the Zeb (reb) line really doesn't it's mostly hidden by the other lines, but it definitely starts very steep, almost as steep as the DVO, it just levels off sooner.

How do you explain the large flat spot in the DVO curve around 80mm? What this just one single test? Or did you do it properly and run a bunch and take the averages?
  • 7 0
 Of course, it was single compression tests. The average curve of multiple compressions would be much smoother, without those sharper bumps, especially at the beginning of the stroke.
  • 8 0
 "I even tried pressing the lower leg bleeder valves while the fork was compressed in order to create a vacuum in the lowers,"

If you think about how those valve operate, you'd realize that won't really work. They will hold higher pressure from inside, as would occur when the fork is compressed. But they're not going to hold much when the pressure outside is higher, not with just the little tiny spring that would fit in there holding them shut. You very likely didn't end up with any "vacuum" (or even lower pressure, which is what you meant, because it was never even close to "vacuum"), because they valves would be pulled open and let air in.
  • 8 0
 Hey Seth, did you adjust the OTT without air? Also OTT is full rotations not clicks. If I remember each click is 1/4 turns. So your 12 rotations is 48 clicks. From my understanding with this fork, you can't properly set the OTT if there's air in the fork and full rotations are a must to tune. I have this fork and have to say it works like a charm.
  • 8 1
 I had a dvo fork in the past that was ok. What I’m interested in is the dvo fork on the new gas gas ebike with WP cone valve tech init. Cone valve tech is an upgrade for WP forks in moto world. Wonder how it works on a mtn bike?
  • 11 4
 GREAT review Seb. Fact backing up rider impression. Also fantastic to see your rankings. Something I've always criticised PB for is saying everything is brilliant, you should buy it all, which is not helpful. Your opinion and technical analysis is exactly what we are after. Thank you!
  • 9 1
 Seems very odd for PB to review this so late, regardless of experience. Again MTB media is way off the mark.
  • 9 3
 It’s only been out for 5 years and they review it after the new 38 onyx is released and being shipped to customers as we speak
  • 10 2
 @Lololmalol: I hate this style of review aswell - they need to send to a suspension place, even if at DVO's cost, if it needed burnished or whatever.. then provide that feedback...
  • 9 1
 DVO customer services is amazing, were great to work with and easy to contact.
  • 5 0
 Lighter rust here on an Onyx (bought in 2021, btw)
It's brilliant, loads of support, but super supple off the top. It's the only fork I've ever ridden that I could set up for my weight without having to revalve. It's kind of the opposite situation for me to what is described in the review
I'll put my tinfoil hat away shortly, but I'm +1 on the really odd timing. I thought my feed was mistakenly giving me something from the archives.
  • 5 0
 This is a really odd review. If you are having trouble with a DVO product all you do is call them, they actually answer the call and are stoked to help you. It's a simple as that. Not sure why Sed didn't call. They call other manufacturers all the time. This definitely seems biased. I have an Onyx SC and love it, I weigh 200lbs all geared up. The OTT adjustment works as advertised and is noticable. I have called DVO many times for set up help with my Onyx and Jade, they always happy to help.
  • 11 7
 I own both a Diamond and this Onyx and they are hands down the best forks I have ridden. I prefer the MRP Ribbon SL for shorter travel bikes, but otherwise DVO would always be my top choice. I would say based on your findings there is something wrong with this fork, which sucks, but shows there is a QA/QC issue.

I'm 175lbs and run my Onyx at 160mm travel, 83 PSI, OTT 9 turns, rebound 12 clicks from closed, 2 clicks HSC, 3 clicks LSC. I have absolutely NO stiction or issues getting the first bit of travel.

At 175lbs I consider myself to be to be on the lighter side of the middle of the bell curve for normal riders and would have really like to see how this compared to the 38mm offerings for someone my size. I have not tried the 38 or Zeb, but can say my Onyx offers the best traction and support out of any fork I have ever tried.
  • 5 3
 You owe it to yourself to try a zeb (2023+) or a 38.
I have had a couple onyx’s, they do not compare well at all.
They’re perfectly functional in a trail bike sort of way, but a 38 in particular blows them away for aggressive riding.
  • 4 3
 I"m 200lbs and IMO of 4-5 forks the DVO onyx is the smoothest I've ridden and better than a pike/lyrik/36.

The 38 Onyx is meant to compete with the Fox 38/Zeb.
  • 4 0
 @Nathan23: Thats why DVO has a 38 now.
  • 7 1
 Very suspicious review. Owned a diamond for 2 years and it's the only fork I've missed. Only forks I've never owned are manitou, bos, and formula.
  • 4 0
 I have been on DVO D1s since they first came out, have a few of them as well as an onyx and several rear shocks. Never had anything but good performance from any of them. I am 190lbs kitted with a 2 liter pack on and run about 100 psi in a D1 and maybe 6 full rotations soft on the OTT and it is far more plush feeling on the initial breakaway then any 36 fox I have used, performance and factory. I never notice any mid stroke blow through on railing turns or technical riding. LSC set on 3 and HSC set at 5 clicks in from full open. Not a DVO fanboi but I like suspension to work the way I expect it to and their stuff has exceeded my expectations. Not to mention top notch support and customer service. Thanks DVO. Also for the fans, if you service your own or plan to, Jank has a nice bleed cup to make bleeding the cartridge a breeze.
  • 6 2
 Good job pinkbike on being nearly 2 years behind. I know if I had the same mentality at work, I'd be fired pretty quick. In most industries, if you give a client a product and the they finally open it 2 years later and start complaining, they are being rediculous. Things change even if they aren't being used. How convenient that you omitted how long it was sitting before actually riding it so you didn't have to talk about how your neglect could have negatively affected the product and the performance. Piss poor journalism since you purposefully omitted critical information and did not give the whole story.
  • 4 0
 Well I've used DVO before with the diamond fork. I weigh 80kg and it was far better than fox. This review surprises me because it's the exact opposite of what I encountered. Anyway opinions are like arse holes. Everyone has one. I look forward to the new DVO forks.
  • 5 1
 A real shame it didn’t work for you Seb, I adored the diamond I had on a previous bike and still hold it in personal high regard (FWIW). Looks like I’ll stick with my Zeb which I must say is astonishingly good
  • 12 3
 Zeb > Seb
  • 5 0
 Same. I'm on a 2020 Diamond that has been flawless since new. OTT makes a massive difference to small bump sensitivity, and I weigh 200. I wonder what makes this new Onyx not work as well?
  • 11 5
 No fork works for Seb unless it's Fox
  • 9 4
 @bbachmei: Very true. He's a Fox snob. Current RS are noticeably better but he'll never say so....
  • 3 0
 @VtVolk: Not a new Onxy. It's a 3 year old fork at this point....many good reviews out there about this fork...Not sure what was up with this one.
  • 1 0
 @VtVolk: I'm on a 2018-19 Diamond Boost and it's been great too. Early reports of the Onyx SC when first released were stellar too and that's from local riders. I understand things went South in DVO's QC when they increased their OEM (Ibis Ripmo AF) and later when covid hit.
  • 9 2
 As a 187 pounder myself, I'm delighted to learn that I'm "heavier."
  • 27 7
 In the UK that's a heavy dude, in a Murica that's an anorexic vegan
  • 19 1
 @DizzyNinja: When were you last in the UK?
  • 1 0
 all of the foot and bike races around me begin the Clydesdale division at 200 and Athena at 160. I think Massachusetts was the 3rd or 4th healthiest state in the country on an overall basis too...
  • 2 2
 @mi-bike: I go all the time, L shirts fit a lot tighter there than here for a reason
  • 3 0
 @DizzyNinja: USA chad heavyweights
  • 1 5
flag boozed (Oct 27, 2023 at 15:22) (Below Threshold)
 If you're 187 lb, you meet the definition of overweight if you're 6 ft or less.
  • 4 1
 I had a DVO Diamond on my last bike. I was a chunky monkey at the time (260 lbs). I could not get the fork working well. I was trying to get the specs on the OTT spring to install a stiffer one for my weight. Instead, I got a smoking deal on a Lyrik. The Lyrik was an incredible improvement. DVO needs to fix this issue if they want to be a contender in the fork market.
  • 6 1
 Well.... that review didn't go as DVO hoped. Maybe they should not submit their parts to pinkbike for testing. Just sell them and have YouTube types review them.
  • 3 3
 Just bribe YouTubers, yeah.
  • 7 1
 I'm offended, triggered and mico-aggressed that he ranked the Zeb and 38 above the Ohlins RXF38.
  • 5 0
 why don't they offer different neg springs for people of different weights? It seems like it'd be a relatively easy way to get the fork working for more people?
  • 4 0
 I upgraded from a 2018 Pike to a 2022 Onyx DC. Huge improvement for me. I am 200lbs. Better support and bump compliance and the the fork tracks much better. I have no tried a 38/Zeb, but I'm more than happy with my Onyx.
  • 3 0
 I liked my Onyx. Granted it needed some initial work by DVO, after that it was very good for several years. Also, I am 185lbs and ran 62psi, very little rebound and a healthy dose of high-speed compression. Good stuff for me, even in the bike park hitting all but the biggest jumps.
  • 7 4
 I for sure disagree with the review. This is the first review I have read that talks so badly of DVO. I have ridden DVO for over 5 years and I in no way agree with what dude said. I weight 195 and have no issues dialing in the feel of the forks. The OTT is money. Paint the DVO black and put Fox stickers on it. I bet the dude would talk about how good it is. hahaha The FOX effect.
  • 2 1
 I agree with you. Have the V1 and V2 (D1) Diamond and am well over 225lbs and you have to experiment with everything, OTT and air pressure, HSC. But once you find it, it offers way more small bump and mid support, with a tad bit of travel (about 10-15mm on average) left over for hard bottom outs then any Fox fork I've owned. If I don't huck anything, that's usually the dust line of unused travel, which is the responsible way to set a fork. I think the fork is far too sophisticated for people that just add tokens, air up, set dials and ride. I mean, it's nerve racking at first to find the setup, but it pays dividends. No more hand numbness compared to the Fox on 3 minute rough descents.
  • 3 0
 @DVOsuspension1 I don't own an onyx. But I do have a diamond. I, and others who use DVO I've spoken too, found that from new, the first 6-10 rides are a bit harsh and sticky. But after that it really beds in and feels super plush. I've seen a lot of meh reviews about DVO forks. But the reviews that heap praise on DVO forks always seem to be the long term reviews. I think from new they take just that bit too long to bed in.

But absolutely great forks! Maybe reviewers should be given a fresh fork thats already bedded in?
  • 2 0
 I agree 100% mine both took a good 10-15 hours of riding to break in. If a reviewer inst taking significantly longer than 10-15 hours even that much time to "review" a product then it shouldn't even be considered a review.
  • 3 0
 I'd only buy a DVO if you have them go through it first and size the bushings and check everything. I've had a few of these and it makes a huge difference. My first Onyx had the same issues as this review with high breakaway force. Once corrected I ran 10 more PSI and a few more clicks of damping and still got more travel easily. Not sure why this isn't done on all of them before shipping since their after sales customer service is great. It's a fantastic fork once gone through if you weigh around 170 lbs. There needs to be a variety of OTT spring weights to accommodate riders lighter or heavier than that.
  • 5 0
 Sorry have to laugh at the use of the word complexity… “fsssssst”.. spring empty, turn OTT knob, pump up to pressure. Good thing I got a 4.0 in calc 2.
  • 3 0
 Dunno what to say on this article. I own 2 onyxs (1 27.5 and 1 29) and both have been great in some respects and non-ideal in others. This article paints only an extremely negative light.

Good:
As far as initial sensitivity goes the DVO is far and away among the most sensitive (owned fox evol grip and grip 2, lyric b1, c1 air springs charger, ultimate, rc2). The Lyric with the b1 air spring was pretty similar and just like the dvo was so sensitivity off the top the fork would sag 2-3mm into its stroke. Multiple friends that I ride with have purchased DVOs for the same level of intial sensitivity and grip. So, I would say I have an N of about 5 at this point that would all be in direct disagreement with what Seb found in his "testing". The hsc controls on teh damper is great since you can really dial in your mid stroke support with nice initial sensitivity, also really like the LSC lever to adjust on the fly vs. the many clicks you have to count for grip2 and ultimate/rcr.

Bad: My 27.5 fork needed the bushing replaced about 100 hours of riding in, the 29 after about 150 hours needed a CSU replacement for creak (on par with my fox forks previously). At really high speed and repeated hits the damper does seem to get a little more overwhelmed vs. Rockshox's high end (honestly better than charger 1, grip, and even grip2 in my opinion).

When I buy my next fork, I may be leaning towards a Rockshox again but my DVOs have been and continue perform excellent. This review seems half-a__ed and reminds me of why I have never cared for Seb as a reviewer either here or at bikeradar (especially with the pseudo-scientific N=1 articles).
  • 1 0
 Ya, the phony bro-science is especially irritating.
  • 3 0
 My brother has this fork and I've ridden this fork over many occasions. It's actually a very sensitive and just progressive enough. I was impressed while testing against a Fox 38. But, it rides similar to this review if the OTT is adjusted without letting the air out. At that point it's a shop fix.
  • 3 0
 I agree the timing on this review seems dated. As someone who has been employed by a major suspension manufacturer, and footwear developer, pink bike is absolutely a pay for position website. I currently on 5 DVO forks. 3 Onyx SC D1’s, 1 Onyx DC, and the third Emerald to leave their assembly line. All of these forks function perfectly still. This company makes products that feel incredible and lasts a really long time. They are very adjustable and can go to toe to toe with any fork out there. The OTT system works really well for most riders. I have no doubt that what Seb ran into as an issue is real. That being said, if an end-user ran into this in the real world there is no doubt that through adjustments this can be resolved. The company is very easy to work with and the folks are highly tunable by the end-user unlike many other forks out there. The overall quality of the internals of these forks are far superior comparatively. The lack of OE spec is because building cheap enough to spec products has proven problematic and the company obviously focuses on higher end suspension. I for one love the bold green, because it lets me see from a far who is serious enough to put quality components on their bicycle. I don’t blame DVO for their response. If I were a company who sent their product to reviewed, only to have it reviewed a year later and in a poor light. I would react the same way.
  • 1 0
 i can only laugh to the comments about the green color, which i really like. I can't recall anyone commenting on the bright orange or even the pistachio green....
  • 18 16
 Why when a Fox shock ou front suspension have something that’s not right they contact Fox to hear that’s a pre production model yadayadayada and with DVO they don’t even tried to do the same? This suspension clearly have a tight bushing that need burnish,common guys make an effort
  • 8 2
 The author seems very convinced that its a result of imbalance between the negative and positive air spring sizes. Understandably, its hard to compete with 38mm forks on this front - they simply have more volume in the legs to play with. But this fork weighs the same as the 38mm offerings - seems like a no-upside product.
  • 4 0
 Imagine if it dint use all of its travel becaus of an overly progressive air spring... It might even win suspention of the year award! Wink
  • 3 0
 When has that happened with a Fox product?
  • 5 3
 @jeremy3220: they have the X2 problem, another product of the year.... Smile
  • 6 2
 @David9180: To be fair, the X2 works extremely well. I am not here to debate that Fox had some seal/QA issues when the next X2 came out - it clearly did. But in terms of the actual performance of the design, it is a very good, very adjustable shock.
  • 1 1
 @KJP1230: 2019 X2 has been great. Only had 1 service, mostly sat around unused for a year or two after the service, but after having no luck getting the 2022 SDU to not feel harsh on repeated hits put the X2 in its place. Such a better ride now.
  • 1 6
flag David9180 (Oct 27, 2023 at 7:47) (Below Threshold)
 @KJP1230: So does the Onyx.

The X2 can be the best in the world, and it is verry good, but if it was from any other brand other then FOX or RS it would be garbege. Just my opinion.

I´m dont even have DVO, but it's always easier to hit on the little guys.
  • 1 3
 Or maybe it's just a bad product...
  • 5 0
 Looks like the rebound setting on the fork in the video would buck you off your bike on big hits. Lol.
  • 5 1
 " the Onyx D1 38; it appears to be primarily designed for e-bikes."

Really? Even though the linked "brief ride" on it was a stock build non-e-bike?
  • 3 1
 I've got an Onyx on my Bronson and it's okay. I absolutely despised the Fox 36 that came on it (no matter what I did with pressure, damping, rebound, or volume spacers it was so goddamn harsh I could barely stand it and it never used full travel) and the Onyx was on sale for $550 so I picked one up. I'm only 145 pounds so I'm on the lighter side where I assume the coil negative spring is still effective. I do like the Lyrik Select+ on my other bike (it's basically an OEM only Lyrik Ultimate but without buttercups), but I think since I'm so light it feels almost too supportive and progressive lol. The Fox 38 I rode on a demo bike felt super harsh and impossible to get moving similar to my 36 experience.
  • 1 1
 What fork? My rhythm & z1 style forks have been excellent, nice sensitivity and Good bottom control and im running 6 spacers.
  • 2 0
 The 36 sounds like it needs a new air spring. Lyrik needs less tokens if had any.
  • 2 0
 It's funny how mtb has so many weird fanboy behaviors regarding luxury consumer goods. I wonder what the service history of the Zeb and 38 were. The condition of the seals and bushings would make a big difference in the dyno test.
  • 11 9
 Got to agree with prevailing sentiment that the review is suspect, the reviewer seems fox biased, and DVO was done wrong here. I get business is business but if it smells like bs….
Pinkbike has a lot to lose here. If prevailing sentiment is that the crew is bought and paid for then why even read it?
Fwiw - i think fox is absolute dogshit and people who like it are blind sheep. I also think a luftkapped charger 2 zeb is the best fork on the market. I think a charger 3 zeb is dogshit. I also had a dogshit charger 2 zeb that sucked until the bushings were redone. The point is - there is a lot of variability in this shit. You cant do this one and done stuff.
  • 5 4
 The fact you think fox is crap leads me to believe you didn’t follow the set up guide.
  • 16 14
 Imagine this. It’s the end of 2023 and you release your brand new 38mm Onyx fork that you have put 2 plus years of RnD into, your stoked, it’s amazing and improves upon everything you have learnt and you start shipping it to customers, everyone is happy… Then the dumpster fire that is pinkbike comes along, pulls your 5 year old fork model out from wherever it was collecting dust and reviews it for the 1st time ever and calls it shit… *visable confusion ensues
  • 6 0
 Some of us are here solely for the dumpster fire.
  • 1 0
 Yup!
  • 2 0
 I have an onyx and a zeb, the onyx can be awesome and is peerless when it comes to smoothness and bottom out support. Their forks work as advertised when working properly and maintained. It is kinda weird to have a review on this fork now, and what gives with the color black, blue, or green being polarizing? This review is whack.
  • 2 0
 The point with a coil negative spring is that the purpose of the negative spring (besides being a topout bumper) is to negate the static friction in the fork.

Static friction, as a matter of fact, is independent upon rider weight. Air shock springs are usually adjusted according to rider weight/sag preferences. Thus a weight-independent negative spring makes all the sense in the world.
  • 5 1
 Prob a good thing they didn't call them pressure equalization relief valves
  • 5 0
 Pinkbike only likes fox and rockshox
  • 4 3
 As having ridden dvo and rs and fox I can easily see why
  • 2 0
 @bigmeatpete420: what about Manitou, sR suntour, ohlins…
  • 1 7
flag bigmeatpete420 (Oct 29, 2023 at 8:20) (Below Threshold)
 @Frank191: same just not nearly as good. Especially manatou
  • 4 0
 DVO out back, Lyrik up front. Party all day, both easy to tear down myself in the off season.
  • 1 0
 Same here. Fox 36 and topaz.
  • 2 1
 I owned a Diamond for a while and also found it to be subpar (I'm also a heavier guy, notice a theme?). However, I really like DVOs approach to customer service and user serviceability. I'd give them another chance with a "regular" air spring.
  • 3 0
 Seems kinda pointless to review a product this far into it's lifespan... When you planning to review the new 38 version, 2025?
  • 3 0
 I have the Onyx D1 on my bike and it’s been my favourite fork so far. Previously used Fox 36 and the DVO has been a much more supple and enjoyable fork.
  • 5 2
 a very negative review is coming exactly at the same time the new version of the fork is hitting the market. This is defamation in my eyes.Good job, objective was done.
  • 1 0
 Agreed
  • 2 0
 I should be praising pinkbike for this review: I really want an onyx 36! Now the 38s are out, hopefully will see some good 36 discounts, maybe reviews like this will bring it closer to my price range
  • 1 0
 Having just swapped to a DVO Onyx from a Rockshox Zeb I cannot put any faith in this review. I have had the complete opposite experience. The only thing I did was drop lowers and reduce the travel down to 180mm to 160mm and replaced the fork oil with Fox Gold. All basic stuff. As a Clyde, the main claim against this review, I found it very supportive and compliant. Rebound was well controlled with nothing like the video here. I also suspect the OTT is broken The timing of this review to me is incredibly dubious.
  • 1 0
 Having just swapped to a DVO Onyx from a Rockshox Zeb I cannot put any faith in this review. I have had the complete opposite experience. The only thing I did was drop lowers and reduce the travel down to 180mm to 160mm and replaced the fork oil with Fox Gold. All basic stuff. As a Clyde, the main claim against this review, I found it very supportive and compliant. Rebound was well controlled with nothing like the video here. I also suspect the OTT is broken The timing of this review to me is incredibly dubious.
  • 1 0
 +1 of DVO. I own the onyx and have spent significant time playing with the adjustments abd tuning, and the fork works amazing! Very good traction and sensitivity, especially with the ott cranked up. Doesn't get easily phased even at harsh bottom outs. Super plush and pleasent on chunky stuff.

HOWEVER, i do agree with some of the criticism in the reviee. To begin with, the lack of volume spacers to tweak the curve is a bit of a bummer for serious tweaking. Secondly, the ott isn't hassle free- with little ott, the fork is real harsh, like a rockshox/fox with a defective neg chamber. Secondly, ott dials have a mind of their own and seem to unwind themselves over time, an issue that's difficult to address.

I suspect this fork might've had either ceized bushings/tight seals or a defective ott, because with maximum OTT the top os buttery smooth! It does however seem to lose its effect at higher pressures (85psi), which is something i felt as well whe exploring higher pressures. I weigh 80kg geared up, and have zero complaints about plushness.

As for @DVOSuspension1 - guys, i think you make great nifty products and have stood behind issues in the past, but your response here is a bit of a miss. Feels like you're admitting the onyx was a flop tbh.
  • 4 1
 Those spring force graphs are great! The best fork reviews on the internet, looking for more.
  • 4 0
 That spring dyno chart is neat.
  • 4 0
 sounds like tight bushings to me
  • 4 0
 all enduro forks should be 200mm post mount.
  • 1 1
 The review of the DVO Onyx SC presented here matches my experience with the fork. My Onyx has noticeable stiction, the OTT has very little effect, and the recommended air pressure settings are way off base. All things considered the Onyx is okay but not awesome. I recommend to DVO that they delete their idiotic comments here. You earned this review. I want to like your company, but you are making it hard.
  • 2 1
 How important are those first few mm of travel when sag will be at ~30-40mm? Guessing it just feels a bit harsh coming out of holes?
  • 6 1
 Very. You ever unweight or come off the ground?
  • 2 1
 This is the exact feeling I had with the DVO fork that came on my Ripmo AF. Always felt harsh. Back on Fox and not looking back.
  • 2 0
 I got a DVO Beryl and a Topaz on one of my bikes and absolutly happy. 75kgs, maybe thats why.
  • 3 0
 That green looks great on that strive!!!
  • 4 1
 Top 10 pinkbike drama.
Don't stop @DVOSuspension1
Your right.
  • 1 0
 Which Zeb was compared against? A1 or A2? The air spring is fairly different. Thanks!
  • 1 0
 I'm guessing A2 for the dyno graph now that I see the link at the end.
  • 1 0
 DVO is a great fork after servicing, but I feel all forks out the box is firm and not as smooth as servicing your fork.
  • 1 0
 Nice vintage dials!

Did you serviced a 5 years old fork bf testing it?

LOL
  • 3 2
 where the fox and RS at the recommended settings and the same travel?
  • 2 0
 Burn
  • 3 3
 I can't imagine living with such a fussy to setup fork. Come on DVO, there has to be a better way to get a buttah fork.
  • 1 0
 As a rider barely over 60kg, this may finally be a fork for me!
  • 3 2
 Should this be in Friday Fails?
  • 1 0
 Seb's reviews generally seem as harsh as this fork
  • 3 2
 Props to Pinkbike for publishing a rare negative review
  • 1 0
 Sorry I meant Seb, my bad.
  • 1 0
 Uhmm i dont like the new Kawasaki green, prefer the old one.
  • 1 1
 How can a Z1 be considered good? If you look at the internals is like a refined Tari, a total Joke of a Zokes
  • 1 0
 Tari->Yari
  • 2 2
 Another suspension product from the green SR Suntour destined for the bin. Hot trash.
  • 1 0
 Hey Jamie, that’s a bit heavy coming from someone who’s never brought anything or us for 5 years. I’ll give you a call in the morning at BRM cycles and see if we can get to the bottom of your claims… Chat soon
  • 1 0
 Kinda like the couple of dvo products I have had. The review was very odd.
  • 4 4
 Nice to see a no sugar added comparison review.
  • 1 1
 If everyone could just buy a 2023+ Zeb we wouldn’t have these problems!
  • 1 1
 "My 27.5 DVO Emeralds offer excellent OTT...yadda yadda yadda..."
2016
  • 1 1
 DVO is 'real' Marzocchi. Love em.
  • 2 4
 Blatant attempt at greenwashing
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