Athletes Now Need to be Fully Vaccinated Against COVID to Compete in France
The French health minister has announced that foreign athletes wishing to compete in the country must be vaccinated against COVID-19.
Government sources told AFP on Monday that a new vaccine pass, “applies to everyone, to volunteers and to elite sportspeople, including those coming from abroad, until further notice.” The news follows in the wake of tennis player Novak Djokovic's high-profile deportation from Australia after it was revealed he was not vaccinated before travelling to the country.
To obtain the new vaccine pass, a complete vaccine procedure (two doses or one, depending on the vaccine) will be required. From February 15, a third booster dose (as long as it has been four months after the previous doses) will also be required for the pass to remain valid. Sports Minister Roxana Maracineanu emphasised on Twitter on Sunday evening that "as soon as the law is promulgated, it will become compulsory to enter Establishments Receiving Public (ERP) already subject to the health pass (stadium, theatre or exhibition) for all spectators, athletes, French or foreign professionals."
Marcineau later told the media, “To practice your profession or come for pleasure as part of a sports team you will have to have a valid vaccine. That’s the case for both people who live in France and also for foreigners who come to our country for a holiday or a major sporting event. Athletes have a role to play in helping convince non-vaccinated people into the vaccine programme as soon as possible.”, Cycling News reports.
Lourdes may look very different to last time out in 2017 when we return in March.
The first round of the downhill World Cup series take place in Lourdes, France at the end of March and racers will return to the country in August for the World Championships in Les Gets. While we aren't aware of the vaccine status of any mountain bike racers, we know that some athletes have delayed getting jabbed due to their fears over the side effects of the vaccine. In road cycling, former Olympic champion Greg van Avermaet is one such rider as he delayed his booster after blaming his first two doses for a lack of form.
The UCI has yet to publish its own COVID protocols for the 2022 season and it has not yet commented on the French law.
Editor's Note: A previous version of this article claimed that an athlete could compete in France if they were recently recovered from COVID-19, this has been removed.
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And yet over a DOZEN people I know personally have had severe (not mild) if not life ending reactions to the vaccine.
Cousin - blood clots from abdomen all the way to toes 2 days after his dose ( 6 months of surgeries)
Brother in Law - massive swelling in lower leg 1 day after 2nd dose (ER visit, blood thinners)
Student athlete on my daughters team - Could not walk for 2 days due to intense pain/swelling in legs after 2nd dose
Close friends uncle - dead after his 1st shot from heart attack w/ no prior heart issues or meds
Good friends aunt & her son - both dead from heart issues 2 months after their shot (within weeks of each other)
But yeah....lets give me and my family, my church group, the lady who cleaned my teeth today...and most everyone I know... a shot that ruined the lives of people near and dear to me.
If France doesn't want people suffering from Covid, slap the cigarettes, sugar, salt & processed gobs of food out of the hands & make them get off their butts and exercise.
This is a disease of hypertension caused by gluttony, obesity, COPD & sloth that preys on people who didn't listen to good health advise.
2 Million more people alive in the US versus last year and the year before that. Stop virtue signaling.
and a fart particle hitting your nose is over 1000 times the size of the virus...
...Global warming!
This “vaccine” is already the most profitable medical product in world history. Stop and think about that. Why do countries that can’t afford this “vaccine” have lower death/infection rates than the wealthy nations of the world?
I do appreciate that you can take your own chance and I took mine and both seemed to work out. We ain't dead.
I know exactly ZERO people who died with Covid complications, no relative of a relative, not even a friend of a friend on Facebook.
Gluttony and sloth are the disease and countries around the globe are funneling all of society into a net to force feed the healthy populace a dangerous experiment they don't want.
And it's all so we can try to relieve ourselves of the guilt of overeaters, lazy people and smokers dying of the weakness they gave themselves.
Not so little that they were run from a basement of course, but startups living off investor money.
The governments have failed us because of their complete lack of offering ANY advice or guidance on prevention, such as techniques for optimal health and wellness, or strengthening our immune systems. They have also offered ZERO guidance on ANY early treatment protocols of any kind. This is what has lead to hundreds of thousands being hospitalized unnecessarily, and also dying. Our guidance when infected has literally been; Go home, lock yourself inside and cross your fingers. This is all because the politicians and health agencies are owned by big pharma, and the corporate establishment in general.
Covid virus size 0.1 microns
Sulfer molecule size 0.0004 microns
Check your facts.
2 years later. Fokking virus got out of an elite level lab in government controlled lab where if you screw up, they make you disappear off the face of the earth and you think some lower face covering is gonna make it go bye bye after it jumped to every continent in 90 days.
Seriously...it got out of a lab where you get flat out MURDERED if you mess up...and we're running around with underwear on our noses like we're the smart ones..
All this stuff is immune system boosting.
Western nations high death rates (particularly Americans), due to the virus ability to kill fat and lazy people more easily. Most 3rd world countries have populations that have grown up in or near jungles, where viruses thrive. Thus they have stronger immune responses to covid.
The immunity also slowly wears off.
The efficacy also depends on the individual vaccine and dosage.
I’ll give an example for the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine below:
1 dose: ~65% effective (against Alpha and Beta variants)
2 doses: ~92% effective (against Alpha and Beta variants)
2 doses after 6 months from 2nd shot: ~70% effective against Delta and ~50% effective against Omicron
2 doses + booster: ~75% effective against Omicron
Generally it takes ~2 weeks for it to start being effective.
A vaccinated person will have a better immune response to catching a particular disease compared to if they were not vaccinated. The unvaccinated person is way more likely to be hospitalized and/or die. The vaccinated person will have a much smaller chance of being hospitalized and if so, it would be less severe.
Being vaccinated does not mean that you are 100% immune to that particular disease and that you will never get it. It’s just training the body to fight against it so when you come in contact with it your body can fight it easier, and therefore have a significantly less severe reaction.
The only way getting vaccinated helps against omicron is strengthening your immune system.
Where I live the population is 90% vaccinated. ~75% of the omicron cases are in fully vaccinated people. But that doesn’t mean that if you are unvaccinated you are 75% more likely to not get omicron. You are actually 2x as likely to catch omicron. That is because there are more people who are vaccinated than not vaccinated.
The cases for fully vaccinated people was extremely low before omicron.
It just helps you respond better & faster.
There quite a few comments on failed governments etc.
There has been some mistakes of course. In France, I remember e minister saying that masks were useless because we in fact we ran out of them by throwing away huge stocks that were made for SRAS.
It is easy to judge the decisions that were made 1,5/2 years ago in light of what we now know. Politics in place had to take decisions with incomplete data, diverging scientific opinion, huge population pressure etc.
Yes it was hoped that massive vaccination would stop the spread. Turns out it is not the case. we could argue that the vaccination rate globally was never high enough to reach group immunity, but I will spare you this.
So what, we do not have group immunity and at least we have less people dying from it that if they were not vaccinated. And that is proven multiple times, by a factor 10 approx.
What makes me crazy is that it seems impossible for some to take a tiny tiny personal risk to avoid a greater personal risk AND reduce a greater risk to society at large. That is individualism and selfishness.
Sorry for the losses that you have personally had. I know 0 person who have had serious vaccine aftereffects. I know several people who died from Covid or had long stays in intensive care units.
That does not make my perception of the situation better than yours because you do not deal with epidemics with personal observations but with countrywide/ global statistics.
Of course if this is all conspiracy, big pharma driving the world and failed governments, you will have a hard time believing statistics.
Sorry to burst your illusion of safety, but better to know and accept the truth.
The social shaming needs to stop — it’s divisive, pointless, and enormous harm to societies.
Having said that, getting vaccinated remains your choice, but don't moan when you have to deal with the consequences, such as being banned from sporting events or the local restaurant.
A friendly reminder that we should get our sht together and learn basics of facts checking… just saying.
No source of information, particularly media superstars (like Joe Rogan) and Government officials are right on everything. Nobody has figured it all out. Very little of widely accessible information has a long shelf life. Most of it will be proven incomplete or straight forward wrong.
Most importantly athletes are not role models, they are no different than Hollywood stars. They are credible at riding bikes and still most of them can’t communicate what the hell they do that makes them good at it. That doesn’t make them idiots or lesser people but they are definitely not the peak humanity. Nobody is. Saying they should guide by example as this French official is just a preposterous act of condescending.
Peaaaaace.
Hey, did you have the appointment with your doc so that he gave your personal risk/benefit analysis ?
Well it seems yes, cause you know that’s just a tiny tiny personal risk. Well, so because that’s ok for you, let’s apply your own risk/benefit to everyone
Let's even make a thought experiment and assume you or your children are severly injured in a car accident and require ICU treatment, but your local hospital is overloaded because of an increasing number of COVID patients, lessening your/your childrens chances of adequate treatment.
Any news outlet you listen to will tell you that, plus the loss of effectiveness over months compared to the varicella vaccine which is 10 - 20 years.
Sure, it's saved the lives of the vulnerable, but that's not what was being discussed
And while you are at it, sell all of your bikes because can't afford you to fall off and need hospital treatment.
Where does one draw the line on who to treat and who not to treat? That is one slippery slope you are on there my friend
COVID overloads the system. So it is quite easy to draw the line. Everything that is not the cause for a pandemic with all the shitty side effects (lockdowns etc.) is still managable by the system, hence acceptable.
Wife has a full time job and you could clone her 10 times over and not have enough of her counseling 99% of people on how crappy their diet and lifestyles are.
Look, even Pisgah Area SORBA is a whore to Type II Diabetes.
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The world is in such denial. I know the E.R. docs, I know critical care nurses at 3 hospitals. Over 90% of people going down have a BMI of 25 or higher. At 5'10", that's 199lbs.
Also, Mountain Dew is the hill you stand on? BMX, skate and snow sports mega sponsor since the 2000's? I hope you stay off the trails that get the funding they need around here, just boycott them.
Let's use your BMI chart for example.
That would give me a BMI index of 34.96, which I think we can all agree rounds up to an even 35.
The chart indicates 35-40 is severely obese.
Given that I walked around with anywhere between 7%-8% in the off season, I'd say the BMI index chart is wildly antiquated, and just the very fact that you have even used it as a reference at any point is enough of an indication that you have done little if any research at all. I found this whole thread quite comical at first, but now I think it's time to put your shovel away. You've dug yourself deep enough.
Then I should have explained better, and I think I developed my point more on this on another post.
The problem we have with unvaccinated people this far is that they tend (on factor of magnitude of 10 compared to vaccinated people) to be gravely ill, therefore clogging hospitals. There are minor to medium consequences such as the postponement of surgeries and the risk of a triage situation that no one wants to see.
Hopefully the strains become less and less lethal and this will a thing of the past.
There is a small minority of people for whom it is not recommended to vaccinate, such as pregnant women.
To me, that is reason enough so that the vast majority (95+%) of the population gets vaccinated.
mRNA is degraded by your body in 2 weeks.
Jesus.
"Well 9.75 Billion of us are doing that..."
Ah yes, I forgot about the 1.8 billion friends on Mars, evidently.
www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution
ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
I should have said 9.75b doses have been tested on live humans. A drop in the bucket died. RIP.
Yes, 'doses' does well to make your point clearer. It even brings it into the realm of being possible, some might say.
And mRNA vaccines have been in testing for about the past decade or so (more specifically, for the flu). The Pfizer-BioNTech one was just modified to be for COVID-19 (more specifically, the Alpha and Beta variants), which is why it got the full FDA approval so quickly (or as what appears to be 'quickly' compared to other vaccines).
Most flu vaccines change every year for each variant, which is why they recommend getting one every year. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was modified to be for SARS-Cov-2 rather than Influenza. The concept (or if you're willing, 'prototype') was being tested for a long time before being modified for SARS-Cov-2.
So, 9.75 billion being tested on humans in not accurate. All the vaccines that are under emergency use (ie Moderna, AstraZenica, J&J, Sinopharm, etc) are being 'tested'.
They locked us all up, as the government is halfway to Ronald Reagan’ing our health care system. An they knew there main voting demographic (boomers), would all die off if they let it rip without good vaccines rates. And that would lose them the next election.
(Coming from the guy who lives in the 'Big Pharma' capital of the world)
All 3 of you did the internet thing where you decided to try to WIN A DEBATE and not FOCUS ON THE ISSUE.
A BMI of 25 or higher at 5'10"....it doesn't make you a bodybuilder. You're applying your personal build to the masses. The world population isn't "muscular cyclist/former powerlifter".
The vast majority of people with a BMI of 25 at 5'10" have visceral fat that they think is not all that unhealthy, but really is, Low resting heart rate, a great VO2 max, a superb max squat....they aren't a true indicator of physical health.
You can flip it and point out the Brad Pitt smokers with abs things. But that's not the point of anything I said.
Most of the world is WAY MORE UNHEALTHY THAN THEY WANT TO ADMIT.
And whoever spouted that crap about Mountain Dew sponsoring sports....yeah, it's a big part of the problem. If the healthiest things we do are supported and backed by literally the one thing that is associated with SOCIETY'S MOST JOYOUSLY IGNORED DISEASE - Sugar Diabetes -
BUT WE PUT A MASK ON SO DOUGHBOY CAN MAKE SOME INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO DIET OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS????
Hell no! People are suffering from their own choices. Mountain Dew, Processed Foods. Drive Thru's. Nicotine.
I can have empathy for the person who indulged in these sloth acts, but I don't have to stop the world for the next decade while they may or may not slim down and give themself a shot at health.
That's on them. Not the world. The world does NOT owe you more time if you chose to indulge during the time you have had so far.
Those who have genetic issues, again...empathy.
@idhbaker: I don't NEED to lie about personal experiences of those close to me. I live in a BLACK & WHITE world. Every instance I listed....I stated plainly. None made up for some online accomplishment.
GEEZ!!! Why would I lie about family members & do a disservice to friend's family members who literally DIED?
But there is consolation. There is a dude called trailfeatures on instagram who makes videos where he comments on Pinkbike comments. He built us an altar. Give him a visit, follow his channel, help him grow the audience.
#metaverse
#peakhumanity
I think that classifying vaccines as drugs is US centric. I was being petty anyway :-)
I don’t argue with the rest of the quote, it is always risk/benefits, not 100% effective etc.
1% chance of dying from it if tested & diagnosed COVID positive?
Every single person I know has had it and zero are dead.
I know exactly 1 person and she had dimentia, was end of life and had a do not resuscitate order.
Not indicating my belief of anything one way other...just sometimes the very specific context when quoting percentages helps me.
Survival rate of covid is 99.9%+
Anybody that says they bodybuild for health reasons are the same people that say they drink red wine for the resveratrol.
There's a CDC map that shows Flu cases per week. Guess when suddenly the flu was real again? Shocking news...December 2021. And another stunner (I hope people know sarcasm when they read it)....Week 52 of 2021....red country wide high cases of Influenza. But here I was being told that masks had stopped the spread of influenza, but that Covid was just more rampant and easily contracted.
But...but...
www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm
Healthcare has been monetized and corporations now own hospitals in bulk. The result is that hospitals have closed at an alarming rate in less urban areas and care centralized into Mega-Hospitals where there is (no surprise) a sudden wait list where there were empty beds.
In Western North Carolina HCA has purchased our largest hospital, has ghosted smaller regional hospitals, deemed them unprofitable & choked off their resources.
What some people are trying to categorize as overcrowded hospitals due a pandemic...is really just downsized care, centralized to create a single profit center for the corporation with a cap on the number of people that can get in and NO competition or options for alternate care.
It's odd that we have 3 hospitals where I live, I have friends and family working at all 3 and none are overstressed with dying patients or the unvaccinated, critically ill. They do, however, tell of people coming in again this year that had Covid last year. They do say that the percentages are upwards of 60% of those hospitalized with Covid symptoms are vaccinated. They do say that the underlying health issues from the beginning that brought people down are still the overwhelming majority of those in critical care as well.
You can vaccinate 99.9% of the country, but if 60% have multiple co-morbidities, they're still unhealthy and susceptible to aggressive pathogens in 1 year, 2 years and 10 years from now.
Until I see a chart that shows prescription medications for hypertension, high blood pressure, cholestorol & insulin resistance dropping down....I'm not falling for it.
US Population has gone up 2 Million per year for 2 years in a row. It's a pandemic of sloth and gluttony.
Who thinks this was a good idea?
yet it happened!
I read this as meaning - just by being a professional athlete and role model and being vaccinated, you are in essence, "playing a role in helping convince non-vaccinated people into the vaccine programme as soon as possible.”
I don't think this implies or expects that all athletes have to overtly advocate for vaccines to their followers....
Influencing people is part of the job.
But I think you could also make a good case that athletes aren't a typical citizen, they're public figures who's entire job is influencing others and representing certain institutions and their values. And that there's a different expectation of behaviour there.
"Obesity and associated diabetes rates are rising worldwide.1–3 More than 1.5 billion people worldwide are now overweight, and at least 1 in 20 adults now have diabetes.2,3 Globally, obesity has doubled since 1980, such that most of the world’s population now lives in countries where there are more deaths attributable to being overweight than to being underweight.3 The prevalence of diabetes among adults aged 20 to 79 years rose from 5.5% in 2000 to 7.0% in 2010; 60% of people with diabetes live in low- or middle-income countries."
For all the U.S. citizens: Health care systems contain centres with highly educated people that you can go to for help when you get sick.
I rarely use swear words.
We can call it a pandemic, but that doesn't make it a particularly deadly one? No.
When the numbers used to calculate it's morbidity have to be fudged, warped or otherwise manipulated (to include auto-crash victims, not include information that the victims were over the average lifespan of the places they reside, had serious pre-existing health issues, etc) then I have to ask myself how honest that is. And when I come to my conclusion, I have to ask what motives people with power to gain, or wealth to accumulate might have for being dishonest.
If you think there's something dishonest or stupid about my way of thinking then what you think is none of my business.
I could be completely out to lunch and much of this wild theory is nearly impossible to prove, but it connects some dots that otherwise don't really hang together. And if you know how insurance works, it is certainly a plausible aggravating factor that nobody is talking about. And I am admittedly biased, I hate the insurance industry.
**Important note: many folks have very mild cases of Covid, and think this is because the virus was no match to their immune system: if you don’t feel very sick with Covid it could be that your immune system is simply not reacting to this unfamiliar pathogen, so it’s wreaking havoc in your lungs while you think you’re fine and dandy. The best test of how bad is your Covid infection is checking your blood oxygen saturation, some folks feel totally fine except for a bit short of breath, and end up spending a month on a ventilator. Stay safe!
No one should ostracize you for having a skeptical view of government policy & messaging but to allow your political skepticm to cross over into questioning the safety & effectivity of the vaccines is idiotic in my opinion because the vaccines have proven to be safe & effective for the overwhelming majority of the worlds population by nearly all of the health and scientific organizations from many different nations based on facts & data.
Planning for people to be unhealthy and require medical care has nothing to do with the fact that these people are the most likely ones to be stressing the medical care system when they contract Covid and require hospitalization. I’m bowing out now because this is getting embarrassing.
Obesity is a hugely complicated problem to solve! The solutions are obvious to you and me: eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out. But implementing those changes in people’s diets and activity levels is orders of a magnitude harder. It’s much harder than getting a shot.
You know this; you’re just being disagreeable and super unpleasant to talk to. It’s childish. Grow up.
And if someone IS VACCINATED and catches Covid, then they should have been boosted, and boosted, and boosted, and. . . .
You keep saying the unvaccinated (does that mean unboosted?) are clogging up hospitals. Where is that occurring? Can you link to the data because that is not occurring in Canada. As a percentage of the population the unvaccinated are a larger proportion but in absolute numbers vastly more hospitalizations occur in the vaccinated. Also statistically zero people under 60 without pre conditions are being hospitalized with Omicron so a mass vaccination policy across all age groups is pointless.
You know the answer to that. We're in a *covid* pandemic with unvaccinated *covid* patients still clogging up hospitals in *covid* wards. In many regions, we don't have the hospital staff, doctors, nurses, or hospital beds to deal with the huge influx of *covid* patients. Before the pandemic we did have the hospital staff, doctors, nurses, and hospital beds to deal with car accidents, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. Covid is an acute public health emergency and everything else, while important, simply isn't. So vaccination should be the number one priority for public health policy.
^Cue this a*shole putting words in my mouth in 3, 2, 1... "yOu BeLiEve cAncEr dOesN't KiLLLL???"
Telling people it’s ok to be obese and unhealthy and that “every body type is beautiful” and then railing about Covid is ridiculous. If you can’t see the irony there, then you’re beyond help.
I’m bowing out, you guys can go back to Reddit.
The threats being made to healthcare workers is sickening, like if you really think all you need is ivermectin then just stay out of the damn hospital. It’s the trolley problem, except the one person tied themselves to the tracks thinking that nobody rides trolleys anymore.
Finally, the horror stories we can find about vaccines may seem bad, but it’s mainly because they are so rare: it will never make the news when somebody gets the vaccine and has a sore arm the next day. Nor do we hear about it when a Pinkbike reader catches Covid and dies. But one single bad reaction should be a testament to how safe the vaccine is: if it were really dangerous, wouldn’t there be more confirmed cases of bad reactions, with the many tens of thousands of riders who received the shot? I’ll respond to your last two sentences if you can provide any factual backing for them.
Much of the criticism of the vaccines sounds a lot like “well if you can still crash and get hurt wearing a helmet, why wear one at all?”
Also, it is extremely concerning that the vaccine companies nor the governments forcing them will assume any responsibility or liability for any adverse effects of the vaccines.
I feel like it's moot to inform people at this point, they made their choice, based on bad information, and ride with it to the end. Changing an opinion seems to be harder than figuring out the nuclear fusion reactor.
Take some physical structure like a skyscraper building for example. The entire process from concept through design & engineering, permitting, construction must take what 6-10 years? If you removed all of those hurdles except the absolutely necessary design, engineering and then put every construction company within the country on that single project you're damn right it would be the fastest skyscraper ever built.
I get why people are made uncomfortable by that but once you understand that these projects are typically resource constrained and once those constraints are eliminated you can still produce something that is just as safe as before.
Buildings are not an applicable analogy because again, you are disregarding the time it takes go through the process of the safety protocols. Safety clinical trials, testing, and analyzation of vaccines and medications must be observed over time to fully understand how safe the vaccines or medications are. There is a complete unknown of the possible side effects of the new vaccines. It normally takes 10-15 years for full approval of medications or vaccines.
Here is a summary of the FDA Drug Approval Process
www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot
However, what I'm pissed off about is why aren't the pharmaceutical companies set up a few million dollars in funds so that they're accountable for some of the deaths they have caused. These companies are making billions as the first world countries are buying into their vaccines and not accepting other brands as being effective. Yet, first world countries have decided they'll buy all available vaccines, protect the 3 largest COVID vaccine makes from any liabilities, and let the third world countries deal with their own problems. It's almost like Biden, Johnson, and Trudeau are talking Russia and China issues when out of nowhere, they forgot they horded all the vaccines and forgot about the continent of Africa! That's pretty much the kind of bullshit that comes out of this pandemic is actually all political grandstanding.
According to WHO, there has been 2,199,476 adverse effects following vaccination against COVID-19. Majority of women (69%). Again, as I stated above, historically medications and vaccines have been take of the market for a tiny fraction of the adverse side effects and deaths, so they could set back and analyze the adverse side effects and deaths further to make sure of safety before administering it to more people.
newsrescue.com/who-database-reports-over-2-million-potential-covid-jab-injuries-in-2021-vast-majority-in-women
The vaccines should not be even called vaccines because vaccines provide immunity. The COVID vaccines have proven no immunity.
That’s why it’s ridiculous when someone says that they wear a mask because they care more about fat, diabetic, morons who don’t care about exercise or nutrition more than said morons.
I don't think the vaccines were made to kill people, but I do believe that big money is motivating them to ignore any safety concerns and to pushback anyone who questions the safety of the vaccines, just like the cigarette companies did for decades. People, governments, bureaucracies, agencies, organizations, etc will pretty much support and say pretty much anything if the price is right.
@DRomy: Yes, I very much support the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community with regard to covid vaccinations and will happily share that consensus with others. Yes, that gives me a sense of security that covid vaccinations are safe and effective, as it should everyone.
Damn son... go get another booster and give it a f*ckin rest.
A vaccine primes the immune system - not all vaccines are 100% at stopping infection
Calling me a quack is the lowest form of debate. Just debate the subject if you have anything to refute.
Yes, I have read plenty of medical/science journals on the mRNA mechanism. It is a very simple concept. Where is the proof that the vaccines are priming the immune system? Cases and deaths in the US are higher with the vaccines than without. Again (as I stated above) historically the definition of vaccines were to provide immunity. They have changed the definition of vaccine to remove the word "immunity" from the definition. That is not my opinion.
where is the proof. well you inject the vaccine into a living creature and the body then makes antibodies to said antigen and creates a T-cell response to kill virus infected cells. That is pretty basic immunohistochemistry right there.
According to the WHO data, 2,199,476 adverse effects following vaccination against COVID-19 have been reported in 2021, with 866,558 (39 percent) of the injuries being reported in 18–44-year-olds, and 1,517,989 (69 percent) of all injuries occurring in women. Myocarditis and pericarditis is one of the main concerns because it is such a severe side effect. Also, as you should know, many vaccines and medications have been pulled from the market with much less adverse side effects.
Belgium will no longer be recommending the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for citizens under the age of 31, after data shows that using it for the first or second dose of vaccination may cause heart inflammation such as myocarditis. Japan Health Ministry dropped all vaccine mandates due to heart inflammation (myocarditis, pericarditis) Japan is now labeling Covid “vaccines” to warn of dangerous and potentially deadly side effects such as myocarditis or pericarditis. In addition, Japan is reaffirming its commitment to adverse event reporting requirements to ensure all possible side effects are documented. So, I still can't believe that you are pushing to ignore possible adverse side effects or safety concerns of the vaccines with such a strong background in the field.
www.dailywire.com/news/belgium-no-longer-recommending-moderna-vaccine-for-those-under-31-due-to-risk-of-heart-inflamation
remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/5738-japan-will-not-discriminate-against-vaccine-hesitant-puts-myocarditis-on-covid-vax-label-s-list-of-serious-side-effects
All the rhetorical questions you ask of him actually support his point (which you missed) — there are so many variables with mass rollout vaccines that they require significant time and honest, critical scientific review before we can understand there impact. Of course any reasonable person wishes the “vaccine” was amazing and fixed everything and was perfectly safe. That’s not the case. I don’t think it’s a death jab designed for population control, but it definitely should not be cloaked in the blanket statement that it’s “safe and effective” because there are real, numerous risks that people should be clearly told. Then, weigh for yourself if the possible risks outweigh the possible benefit. This has all been wrapped in partisan political agenda, and very little of what you hear in the mainstream would classify as good science.
Is this the same narrow-minded perspective that you have when teaching? I would ask you to open yourself up to accepting more uncertainty and humility, especially having the responsibility of an educator. Students need more than one-lane, prescriptive ideology.
Also, the UK has dropped all vaccine passports and mask mandates. Perhaps because of the data they have just compiled?
Here is a link to the article. Within the article, they compiled the links to the UK government data and you can look at the real data yourself. I did.
dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/11/report-shows-4-in-5-covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated
I’ll give you two reasons, the vaccines are useless and deaths 14 days post vaccination (where in my part of the world 47% of people have died...) are counted as a C19 death.
Deaths with covid versus from covid have only recently even been separated and lets face it... those numbers should even be taken with a grain of salt.
Statistics are easily manipulated to promote any given direction depending on the source.
There is zero baseline of how many worldwide have been infected with different variants asymptotically.
Those studies are being made now but only recently as well. There is speculation within these studies that as much as or more than 70% of the world’s population has had this crap, either with or without symptoms. Therefore mortality rate percentages don’t mean shit either since they only compare to reported cases.
The simple fact is... we don’t know. We wont know for a long time. To keep quoting articles that “prove” anything is futile.
We know that the vaccines don’t work as they were first presented. That you can still get it, transmit it to others and whether or not you have been or have not been its a crap shoot. Roll the dice and trust that you are healthy enough to avoid serious complications.
We know that the obesity factor is high. Stay fit. That’s your best option.
Good thing they kept fast food drive throughs open during lockdown so we could all loaf around watching fear porn while shoving double big macs down our throats....its never been about public health and safety. Its been about power, money and control. Period.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31october2021
just to note - the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving COVID-19 was 96% lower in people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people.
This Lancet article explains 95% efficacy.
www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext21
The article says proof of recent COVID recovery is acceptable in place of the jab. So Gwin is probably hunting down sick buddies like elementary school parents looking for Chicken Pox parties.
"In order to ensure French victory on home soil at World Cups, all outside participants must have myocarditis."
I recall Gwin spent a good bit of his podcast with that-other-mtb-website discussing non-bike related topics. It's worth a listen for both the bike and non-bike content.
Separately, I can't point to a quote from Gwin, but believe he's largely left California for Montana and Tennessee and did complain about the political climate there - mostly since the last election. I assume he was pretty down with the Trump policy through the years.
Anyway, will be fascinating to see what he does here. Intentional infection is the obvious path I guess.
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Twitter censors the courageous Dr.
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retweets a video of her speaking about the hundreds of COVID-19 patients she has successfully treated with #hydroxychlroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. twitter.com/2runtherace/status/1287964346086285313
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Social media companies are censoring videos of Dr. Stella Immanuel and the other doctors involved in real-time because that’s what Democrats want them to do. Many doctors & studies say hydroxychloroquine works. They don’t want
@realDonaldTrump
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Yes. And a 'must read'
theminnesotasun.com
Doctors Break Down COVID Response and the Demonization of HCQ, DOCTORS TELL ALL - The Minnesota Sun
theminnesotasun.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/?fbclid=IwAR1BNGOqbc9xh9AH8m9B4V9pInjV1R9zCVuyQQvqbS78Q1jwaBqtio1R2_M
Here’s what happens when you have almost zero C19 in your population and you start mass vaccination. hatchardreport.com/relationship-between-covid-19-vaccination-and-all-cause-mortality
Imma go with the scientists on this one. You keep fire hosing everything you can find at people though. Between the studies you don't understand and countless anecdotes something will stick.
Here’s an opinion by a doctor about the ‘science’ that you should watch. m.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_ZVzrTeYk
Funny thing is that the mentioned underreporting by jclnv is a scientific fact.
"Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of
ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events
and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or
slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New
surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed."
Link: openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf (p. 6)
The French government have set out the rules for entry into their own country. Many countries have done this, its just the antivaxers who are kicking up a fuss. They didnt say you had to have the vaccine. They only said if you want to go to their country, you have to have the vaccine, you still have a choice. I`m sure REDBULL TV will be broadcasting it for all the armchair racers.
How do people feel about that one?
Idiot.
Requiring people to be vaccinated is an effective means against the pandemic and choosing not to be vaccinated puts you and others at risk. It is absolutely IS the answer and to suggest otherwise, given the data we are seeing coming out of the country, is frankly ignorant of the facts.
Fun fact: More people died in 2021, in which we had 4 different vaccines marketed and up to 3 doses administered to the population (roughly 80% adult vaccination rate in most western countries), than in 2020, where no vaccines were available at all.
Vaccination isn’t 100% effective but it’s keeping people out of the hospital and from dying
What you failed to mention, however, is that this process is, in fact, contingent on it becoming milder over time.
The fact of the matter is, that the vaccine would be most effective, if it was ONLY administered to old and immuno-compromised individuals for whom the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. Because mass-vaccinating the entire population during a pandemic and tuning all their immune system to act on one single spike protein, puts immense selective pressure on the virus population... possibly creating immune evasive variants like in the prominent case of Marek's disease in chickens. Omicron proves this, as vaccines virtually offer no protection for it.
Besides, most covid deaths had a minimum of 1 to 3 comorbidities and the average age of covid deaths is congruent with their statistical life expectancy. For healthy young adults and especially kids, the illness is not very dangerous at all. This is proven by hard data, too. However, the experimental vaccine has proven to be especially hazardous for kids and young athletes. That is why Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines both have been forbidden to be administered to less than 30 year old individuals in some countries.
I'm not against vaccines in general, but this is literally an experimental drug and I'm not willing to partake as a test subject for big pharma. By the way, did you know that those companies are relieved from all compensation payments due to possible future adverse events and that they tried to lock the data of their safety studies and contracts away for 55 years (basically until the current generation has died off)?
Making this product mandatory is not just borderline retarded, it's simply insane.
Thousands of kids have been hospitalized for multisystem inflammatory syndrome with ongoing heart and lung problems.. How many kids have had this kind of complication from the vaccine? Hello! It’s pretty simple. Vaccines and science work, if you haven’t noticed.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC4ftId-CHY
-"How is this vaccine more experimental than any other?"
Because it works entirely different than any vaccine ever approved.
-"Covid is related to SARS/MERS so it’s nothing new"
I never said it was.
-"Thousands of kids have been hospitalized for multisystem inflammatory syndrome with ongoing heart and lung problems."
Bullshit, you're pulling numbers out of your ass, the death rate for non-immunocompromised kids is literally zero.
-"I think maybe we should leave it to the real experts"
What the f*ck do you know about my professional background?
-"Enough with the paranoia and armchair geniuses already, it’s getting super old."
Coming from the guy advocating the FORCE VACCINATION OF LITERALLY EVERY PERSON ON EARTH out of his own paranoia. Joke is on you.
If you’re caught up on this vaccination being different than others, maybe just don’t be. I’d personally find it more curious if the covid vaccine ended up being exactly the same as the mumps or polio vaccine. That would seem rather suspicious to me. Vaccines are changing just like everything else, hopefully evolving.
Sharing complicated conspiracy theories on the other hand, that’s definitely checking the box for paranoia. It’s also a privileged BS attitude. And you don’t see anyone that isn’t a complete throbber resorting to CAPS to make a point.
www.who.int/director-general/speeches/detail/norad-conference-2021-panel-vaccine-nationalism-and-global-distribution
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But all of this work is at risk. I think Dag-Inge said it, and I’m sorry for repeating it, but it’s important: As we speak, rich countries are rolling out vaccines, while the world’s least-developed countries watch and wait.
Every day that passes, the divide grows larger between the world’s haves and have nots.
Bilateral deals between countries and companies are putting the promise of COVAX at risk.
At least 56 bilateral vaccine deals have been signed, which fragments the market, forces countries to compete, and drives up prices.
COVID-19 vaccines are now being administered in 50 countries, nearly all of which are wealthy nations. Seventy-five percent of doses have been deployed in only ten countries.
It is understandable that governments want to prioritize vaccinating their own health workers and older people first.
But it is not right that younger, healthier adults in rich countries are vaccinated before health workers and older people in poorer countries.
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Seems like a fair guideline indeed and I trust most of us are well aware of determining whether it is our turn to be vaccinated or whether there are elderly and health workers in poorer countries who should get a chance first.
Also the huge number of covid vaccinations (7 billion a year if not more due to boosters) compromises existing vaccination programs as they take up all the syringes (6 billion produced per year).
news.un.org/en/story/2021/11/1105362
There is serious concern about vaccination against measles as they had to cut back on the existing programs.
www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2021-global-progress-against-measles-threatened-amidst-covid-19-pandemic
Feel free to debunk those "conspiracy theories" as published by the WHO and UN. The stage is yours.
In the Uk 17000 deaths over 2 years or people with no co morbidities, out of 150000 deaths, population 65m.
This represents 0.01 % of population.
This data can be found HMG ONS web site
www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08
In the Uk the Omnicron variant is about 100% of the virus circulating, it is highly transmissible and will infect and immunise most unvaccinated that get it and boost those that are vaccinated. The virus is therefore endemic, we will live with it, it will cause the death annually as flu of 200-300 per day, which we don’t lock down for!! The ones that are susceptible will be old and infirm and/or immunocompromised.
Western Europe should recind all legislation and open up everything as it it was prior to covid by mid summer with no restrictions passports or anything, otherwise it smacks of population control. This basically goes against what Macron is trying to do in France, but he will be proved wrong and to be an Idiot
You obviously just blindly follow narratives. Good for you but don’t expect everyone to do the same.
Imagine thinking we non-vaxxed are worried about getting covid, you clown.
Covid is the least of our worries.
BTW, you didn’t have to worry about C19, prior to vaccination. The government and pharmaceutical corporations told you to, and you believed them.
That sounds very unlike the WAKI I know...
Environmental aspect can also be discussed. MTB is sold as green activity while it isn't. Can't honestly say why would it be significantly greened than MX? Many people drive to trailhead (including me, even though rarely I still mentions it). Bikes are getting more and more durable but they still are not up there in that regard. The low end market is really bad on that front.
Financial aspect is also rarely mentioned.
Finally the sense of entitlement is growing, many say MTB is a wonderful community. No it isn't. Pretty much same as any other.
I don't mean that we shouldn't do this or that something is inherently wrong and we should bike less. Not sayign MTB is uniquelly corrupt. Mainstream Skiing is far worse. But we should be clear about what MTB really is.
I have kids now and have seen them crash and hurt themselves. I am reluctant to push them too much into it, even though I know, life's pain anyways, we do it because iti is hard, not easy - and all this.
So yeah, there are goods and bads. Stick with the goods.
I look forward to some more interesting, thought provoking ideas exchanges with you Sir; but not too many I hope! We have families who need us and mean more to us than this place!! I’m having such a fantastic time watching (and hopefully helping) my astute, young adult daughter navigate through the living hell that is growing up well rounded in the 2020s that that comes first. I’m pretty confident that if you are approaching raising your kids with the same level of thought you give to ideas that others dismiss because it shakes their grip on their personal reality, then you will be bringing perspectives into your children’s lives that they will truly appreciate as they make their way onwards!
Right, 30 mins later than planned, I’m out of here for a ride firmly within my skill set!!
Stay calm.
Orientdave
In this big mess of elite level competition, I think mountainbiking is relatively fine. All good? I think you need to know the details to know for sure. But then again in these other competitions where the level that's visible to the public is already rotten, I wouldn't expect the details to be pretty either so mountainbiking still comes away relatively fine.
Aside from my rant about top level competition, I still believe recreation or competition on a lower level (where your life doesn't depend/rely on it) can/should be whatever you want it to be. The main thing is that people understand about ownership, about the level (intrinsic or extrinsic) of their own motivation. Sure it can be ugly when someone wants to trick you into something you don't actually want, but dealing with that is something anyone should learn from a young age. As it doesn't just apply to sports, but also to relations, career, buying habits, health and whatnot. And again, I feel that the increasing popularity of pumptrack riding is the best thing ever for the sport. And not in the least because the heaviest marketed drivers for new gear (suspension, drivetrain, tires, longer/slacker geometry, bigger wheels) are pretty irrelevant there.
So I am extremely hesitant to make any blanket statement giving any credit to MTBers as unique group of sport people.
Pumptrack is great. But at the same time we all know that it's a sport for Beta BMXers that MTBers suck at. We all should know that 4X has always been a joke given existence of BMX Supercross. We can all observe how silly Enduro series is, where Downhillers absolutely dominate the scene. Finally XC will now see influx of roadies who will surely make a big dent. The zone for MTB elitism is shrinking and the only way it can stay sane is denial.
It will get better. There is a new generation coming up and they don't care about living up to dads expectations, dreams of Vo2max, FTPs, The roadie past is leaving MTB, dies with Boomers ability to ride. Their fond memories of X miles ridden are losing value. I don't give a damn if you've seen Tomac race or wached Steve Peat win Gold. The new kids want to fly. I see flying 10yr old girls. This is our hope. Celebration of skill. Celebration of what you can and cannot, celebration of progress, rather than who the hell you think you are, where you've been and what you have.
Kyle case is just breathe taking... and everyone should know before taking these jabs .. plus no one is gonna respond for you if goes wrong when some are doing milions.... Really people has gone nuts... simply blind idiots.
theconversation.com/myocarditis-covid-19-is-a-much-bigger-risk-to-the-heart-than-vaccination-174580
www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination
Edit: second one thanks to @pisgahgnar
Higher rate post vaccination - www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268209v1.full.pdf
Regardless, these comparisons are pointless as Omicron is an upper respiratory virus. There is zero risk of myocarditis so the vaccine has significantly higher risk.
If my mate Colin from the pub gets a discounted pair of tyres for an instagram mention and then has an anaphylactic reaction to his seasonal flu jab, should PB do full coverage?
What about the "12000 affected" that you talk about? Are they all relevant to PB? Who are they? Do they even know mountain bikes exist? Do they want their medical info discussed on some stupid pushbike website?
No, there is nothing lazier than "both sides"-ing an issue. There are not two sides to every issue. One side here is significantly more correct than the other. One side is significantly more backed by science than the other. I'm all for changing the subject and talking about bikes, but throwing your hands up in the air and saying, essentially "you're both right" is not the way to do it.
Just...all the lolz. You wouldn't know 'the science' if it walked up and peed on your leg dude. And you're right, there aren't "two sides" to every issue--it's typically many more, much more nuanced. But in your bid to be an ever more Big Brain authoritarian, you've been conditioned into the trap of 'othering' anyone who doesn't agree with your views. 'Don't agree with me? You're now in the 'out' group, nuance be damned.' It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Clowns like yourself ready to turn in their neighbors just for a pat on the head. It's gross.
It's not clever, rather it's positively transparent. And then you end it with a blatant gaslighting attempt, just *chef's kiss*. 'All those things you called me out for? Nuh-uh, that's you'. Jeezus, are you 12?
Where we are now - "Everyone, including 5 year olds, must have a vaccine to travel, go on a school trip, or even take part in sports activities".
What next?
Keep in mind, these MRNA vaccines have never been used on humans before. No long term safety data.They didn't pass animal trials. Short term safety data is bad. Check out US VAERS data.
The companies have full indemnity from prosecution in the event of any negative reaction. And we're talking multi billion dollar companies. Why can't they take responsbility ?
Pinkbikers roast Specialized for being corporate - but it seems we just love Pfizer !! Imagine if the new Stumpys small print stated -
"in the event of a catastrophic frame failure - you can apply for a small tax-payer funded handout - if you can prove it was our fault !"
The fact is - these are the biggest corporations in the world and we're all falling from their marketing campaign - which just happens to have government backing.
Check Pfizers past lawsuits - they have paid out BILLIONS in the past in fines for lying about the effectiveness of thier products.
It's forced vaccination just through coercion, psychological torture (isolation) and removal of the ability to make a livelihood.
And most of you are defending it.
The absolute state of pinkbike... tragic.
"MRNA vaccines have never been used on humans before." False. First trialed in humans in the late 90s. A trial for rabies vaccine was in 2013. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w
"Didn't pass animal trials." Debunked and false. www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IK
Pfizers have paid out for 'False Claims', but it isn't "BILLIONS" violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer
And of course the governments are funding healthcare for a pandemic - that's what they are there for! Public safety!
And of course if you had a product and the government were pushing you to release it without going through your normal testing regime, you'd bloody well make sure your ass was covered with a 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card.
The logic you use is spurious - it's like the people that accuse Monsanto of producing seeds that can't reproduce AND ALSO saying they don't want genetically-modified plants getting out into the wild.
Animal studies - Here is an article warning against the potential negative effects of mRNA "vaccines" due to issues in animal studies. Keep in mind, the first Covid mRNA vaccine was given in March 2020 - we do not have long term safety data.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060
Conflict of interests are real and very worrying.
www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
This also happened before, profiteering in the swine flu days.
www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c2947.full
Does your gut feeling say this is right ? Look at how children as young as 5 years old are being excluded from normal activities unless they take doses of a "vaccine" that has only been around for two years and serves NO benefit to them?
The side of the majority always feels good, but it isn't always right.
And sorry - Pfizer have only been fined 10 million, not billions. But why aren't they paying out directly to people like Kyle Warner now?
The emergency use authorization for Cov vaccines is a big deal, as it absolves manufacturers from such liabilities in the future.
There are millions of reported adverse side effects, in the UK alone - but nobody cares.
Check UK Yellow Card, US VAERS and EUdra Vigilance data. It seems like approx 70% of the adverse reactions are in females also, unless there is a bias in reporting.
Remember this is just looking at the very short term effects - we have NO idea what the long term effects will be.
newsrescue.com/who-database-reports-over-2-million-potential-covid-jab-injuries-in-2021-vast-majority-in-women
side effects are common with drugs and vaccines. side effects can include sore arm (well you just had a needle stuck in you), fever (well you just had a foreign substance injected into you and your immune system is working on it).
Also note ported
cases concern suspected side effects, i.e. medical events that have been observed after vaccination, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the vaccine.
In the mean time, here's some data for you.
www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
And rip dean lucas' season?
The idea of an athlete sabotaging their season because of a vaccine everybody around them probably already has is tastefully humorous to me. Replace it with a flu vaccine and suddenly a lot less people talk. Make it mandatory vitamin C supplements and nobody says a word. Uneducated man babies are actually afraid of the C word.
You're spreading disinformation again, after you were already called out for it.
Sorry but I'm allowed to call it as I see it.
It's pretty infuriating to have full vaxxed c*nt who allowed to be overseas racing while we've all be locked down.
Sure he backed away from his comments but f*ck him. The damage is done.
You're in Norway and we're here where he's from. We've had some of the worst lockdowns in the world. Get f*cked dude
@FairGoFalcon: did you see it? I'm not convinced anyone did. I follow him, certainly never saw any of the shit that was alleged. And no one has ever shared a screenshot or anything like in every other allegation. I'm happy to be convinced, but career impacting witch hunts aren't cool.
It hasn't been any fun here and seeing some bloke we all thought was the bee's knees discouraging vaccines (all while he's double vaxxed) is a real kick in the dick.
It's fine if you didn't see his posts, but seeing as you don't have all the facts, aren't here and are just some troll on the internet - get f*cked.
www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination
what is the probability of myocarditis if taking the vaccine vs
what is the probability of myocarditis if infected with covid * the probability of becoming infected with covid (which seems more likely every day) vs
what is the probability of myocarditis if taking the vaccine and then also getting infected with covid
these are hard probability to make for any individual
Just admit no amount of research, already done or to be done in the future, will convince you to get it. I waited quite a while before I got mine. I was watching more for side effects stats than efficacy stats. Lo and behold they both turned out boringly stellar for being vax'd.
Also you were never concerned about the unknowns of covid itself lol. The reactions were WILDLY varying. You couldn't guarantee you you would end up with a sore throat and no taste or on a ventilator before the week is out. But those unknowns are okay because suddenly it's "worth the risk" to you.
Your arms are gonna be frickin stacked when you're done moving the goal posts all day.
i will side with body's way of dealing with it. i'm done being scared of this BS and dealing with the people who are living their lives in fear.
if i get in a car crash, i get in a car crash and it was probably my time to go. that similarity is the weakest comparison that always gets brought up any time someone has a debate with someone who doesn't want to inject mystery chemicals into their body. along the same dumb shit as "what happened to my body my choice bro?"
So, as it turns out, our anecdotal experiences are meaningless in the grand scheme of public safety (which is what this article/legislation is about).
My body my choice is great for things that aren't contagious diseases. That's a bit like saying "I like to drink and drive it doesn't hurt anyone because I've done it many times and haven't crashed yet." But if someone kills someone in a DUI accident we charge them with involuntary manslaughter... As opposed to trying to sue alcohol companies.
"Being scared of this BS." What are you scared of? The... The vaccine?
I'm not living my life in fear. I really hope you aren't going to public elementary schools where vaccines with "mystery chemicals" are required to attend and telling children and their parents they are "living in fear".
You sound like you're living in fear of a vaccine that millions and millions of people have and haven't said anything bad about. But when people who DON'T have it say there are gonna be bad things about... Suddenly you're living in fear.
Again, the goal posts. Do you wanna help me move some furniture? You're gonna be riiipped.
I don't vote for any of your f*ckin cringe overlords. George Carlin didn't die to watch you f*ckin dumb ass far lefties and far righties ruin this country. You're both a bane to society. I hope you take your guns and the lefties take their hair dye to an island and you just have at each other until there's no longer extremism on earth lol
Enjoy your day, dude.
And I know of people who legit moved to Texas (from California) in order to better support their choice. That's fine. But when it comes to government mandates people are still voting in the government and ultimately curate the government that they answer to. I am against further lockdowns that jeopardize businesses in California. But am still for mask mandates (its a f*ckin piece of cloth) and vax promotion (via gov). Even in California I have not seen any government program mandating the vax.
Cloth masks do next to nothing against omicron BTW.
I have been vaccinated since March 2021 btw. I am 28 so I probably won't get a booster for a while, but I have never been anti-vax.
Do you think private businesses and event venues that operate under a permit are... The public? lol
Where is this place you are referring to where you have to be vax'd to be on public land?
"People ages 5 to 12 are required to show proof they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and people 12 and older must show proof of two doses (except for Johnson & Johnson recipients), for:
Indoor dining
Includes restaurants, catering halls, hotel banquet rooms, bars, nightclubs, cafeterias, coffee shops, fast food restaurants, grocery stores with indoor dining and other indoor dining spaces
Indoor fitness
Includes gyms, fitness centers, fitness classes, pools, dance studios and other indoor fitness studios, such as yoga or Pilates
Indoor entertainment and certain meeting spaces
Includes movie theaters, music and concert venues, museums, aquariums and zoos, professional sports arenas, indoor stadiums, convention centers, exhibition halls, hotel meeting and event spaces, performing arts theaters, bowling alleys, arcades, pool and billiard halls, recreational game centers, adult entertainment and indoor play areas"
I wouldn't like to live there and I wouldn't blame anyone for leaving, for a million reasons including a vaccine mandate.
If the residents don't like it, they should vote that mayor out... But... I have this sneeaaky suspicion a city as blue as NYC simply will not do that.
You may have noticed that the other 19,494 cities in America have not done this. If SF has, that would be 2 cities out of 19,495 cities. The residents in those cities probably support the decision because of the unusual circumstance they live in. If you aren't in a city with a population over 8 million... I simply wouldn't worry about it lol
I'm vaxxed so I wouldn't even give a shit. I don't think they should do it. But if there was a vax card check at the door for LA tomorrow I can't begin to explain how almost nothing would change. A huge majority of people here are vax'd. And a mandate would probly cut the small amount of unvax'd people in half (which is literally the goal of mandates, so it is what it is).
Where do you live? I hope you're not in some swing or red state being terrified of what happens in these awful cities all day lol (i say that unironically, big cities are awful and i've been thinking where to move recently. my brother already left this state)
The original study that looked at males and females under 40 combined - www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf
A followup done by the same scientists where the data is also split by gender - www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf
It's also worth listening to Vinay Prasad MD MPH "UPDATED DATA: UK Myocarditis Authors Stratify by Sex for Men under 40- Vax vs Virus" video on YouTube about this topic.
Some key takeaways:
1) It is now clear for men 40, dose 2 and dose 3 of Pfizer have more myocarditis than sars-cov-2 infection, and this is true for dose 1 and dose 2 of Moderna.
2) Pfizer boosters (Dose 3) have more myocarditis for men 40 than infection.
3) Myocarditis post infection is more common as you get older, in contrast with myocarditis post vaccination, which is more common as you are younger (reverse gradients)
Anyone with any precovid health power is just pushing what they want to suit their job.
Estimate an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million patients in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test.
I can google whatever i like and choose what ever pages agree with my agenda, exactly what youve just done.
Official sites are the only ones that hold any Value, bonus points if you get your info from .govt Sites.
Nature.com is exactly what makes the pandemic so bad, they post Whatever they like and it suits agendas so people chose that.
The same arguement for scientists and Medical experts who were top acting pre covid who disagree with the others/govt agenda so they get punished...
The simple minded people on this site is pathetic
Not to mention Omicron symptoms are very mild, is it still worth the injecting that alpha spike in your body?
"Yeah but it's not a problem here because large left leaning cities are full of vax'd people. And the residents are SUPPORTING the decision (as a majority) because that's the type of government they voted for."
That sounds a lot like tyranny of the majority.
They should put an asterisk beside "fully vaccinated" as who is going to determine the precision of the phrase? Two doses won't cut it in 2023, for instance. And Pfizer et al are interested in a continuous profit stream of boosters.
At this point (Jan 2022 and Omicron is dominant), vaccines don't appear (empirically) to be reducing transmissibility but ARE reducing severe disease. And IMO after studying myocarditis risks of booster shots (3rd dose) in young people, I would respectfully decline.
Recently recovered from Covid share the same status as fully vaxxed.
Entry before the end of Jan 2022: Three shots (2 + 1 booster)
Entry Feb to July: Four shots
Entry July to Sep: Five shots
Entry Oct to December: Six shots
Entry Jan 2023 to April 2023: Seven shots
Entry May 2023 to September 2023: Eight shots
Etc...
Entry Jan 2025 to June 2025: 36 shots
Entry Jan 2029 to Aug 2029: 138 shots