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What Type of eMTB Should You Buy in 2023?

Jan 18, 2023 at 15:17
by Mike Kazimer  
Every spring there is an influx of riders keen to get into mountain biking, and at Pinkbike and Outside, we know that these newcomers are often overwhelmed with information and opinions. So, we’re launching a seven-part series called MTB Explained, where we help new riders navigate some of the basics of our sport. If you’re new, welcome to the best damn sport in the world, and if you’re a long-time rider let’s welcome these folks to the club.


Norco Range VLT C1

E-bikes have evolved rapidly over the last few years, morphing from ungainly (and in many cases unsightly) contraptions into much more refined electric machines. There's still plenty of room for improvement, but it does seem like many of the initial issues, things like limited battery capacity, awkward controls, and odd geometry, have been figured out.

E-bikes remain a contentious topic, especially in North America, but I'm not going to delve too deeply into that here. The purpose of this guide is to explain the difference between the various options on the market, and hopefully make it easier to decide which one makes the most sense for your riding style.

Of course, there's also always the option of buying a regular, non-motorized mountain bike – going that route is much less expensive, and you won't ever need to worry about your battery dying in the middle of a ride. For riders interested in going down that path, we've put together a helpful guide to help explain the various options.

2021 Specialized Turbo Levo

2021 Specialized Turbo Levo
2021 Specialized Turbo Levo

Let's start with the absolute basics – what exactly is an eMTB? At its core, it's a mountain bike with an electric motor that provides pedaling assistance, and a battery to run the motor.

There are three different classes of e-bike, but we're only focusing on Class 1 bikes, ones without a throttle and which only output power if the rider is pedaling. These bikes are also limited to 20 mph; you can certainly go faster than that, but the motor won't be providing any help above that speed.

Battery capacity: Battery capacity is measured in watt hours (Wh), and varies depending on the type of bike, ranging from around 320 Wh all the way up to 1000 Wh. The greater the capacity the longer the range, although those bigger batteries do come with a weight penalty.

Torque: Torque refers to how much assistance the bike will provide when you're pushing on the pedals. (There's more to it than that, but that's the extra-simplified version). A bike with a motor that provides more torque will require the rider to exert less force on the pedals when climbing a steep hill compared to one with lower torque. Mid-power eMTBs typically have motors with 35 – 60 Nm of torque, while the motors on full-power eMTB's put out 85 – 100 Nm of torque.



Types of Electric Mountain Bikes

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Full Power eMTB

Full power eMTBs have the most powerful motors, largest batteries, and as a result they also have the highest overall weights, typically in the neighborhood of 50 pounds.

All of that power makes it possible to climb up features that would be impossible on a regular bike, which can lead to an entirely different riding experience. This style of eMTB is great for spinning up fireroads to get to a rowdy descent, but they're also a blast when it comes to getting up technical climbs.

The overall ride experience is different than regular mountain biking – bunnyhopping and making sudden quick maneuvers is more difficult due to the higher weight (lifting the bike up onto a bike rack can be challenging too), but the flipside is that this style of eMTB feels the most stable, especially while cornering.

The bigger batteries also allow for a longer run time at full power, increasing the distance that you can travel at the highest level of assistance.

Examples: Specialized Levo, Trek Rail, Yeti 160E

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Mid-Power eMTB

The mid-power eMTB category has grown rapidly over the last couple of years, thanks to improved battery technology and new motors that make it possible to create bikes that weigh around 40 pounds. The 10 pound weight difference between these bikes and their full-powered counterparts is very noticeable, and riding one feels much more like a regular bike when descending.

The typical power output ranges from 35 Nm to 60 Nm depending on the motor, which means this style of bike doesn't surge up the hill the same way the full-power options can. There assistance is still noticeable, it's just more subtle, closer to a gentle yet steady push rather than a hard shove up a hill.

In order to keep the total weight down, the standard battery capacity of a mid-power eMTB is typically somewhere around 350 Wh, which does limit the maximum range compared to the bigger options with 750 Wh or more capacity. Several of the available models do offer the option of a range extender, an external battery that can be slid into the water bottle cage to eke out even more run time.


Examples: Orbea Rise, Trek Fuel EX-e, Scott Lumen


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Things to consider when shopping for an eMTB

What are your friends riding?

Unless all of your rides are going to be solitary affairs, it's a good idea to consider what your style of eMTB your closest riding buddies are on. It turns out, full power and mid-power eMTBS don't mix that well together on a group ride – the riders with all the power will constantly need to wait for the mid-power riders, or at the very least drop down into a mode that offers less assistance.

It's obviously not the end of the world, but if you end up with the same style of eMTB as your closest riding partners it'll make ride logistics a whole lot easier.

What type of ride experience are you looking for?

Do you want a bike that can act as a replacement for a shuttle vehicle, one that makes it possible to knock out the most vertical in the shortest amount of time? The full power route is the way to go.

If you're looking for something that's easier to handle, the mid-powered eMTB is a more mild-mannered option that can still knock out a solid amount of climbing in a short amount of time.

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Features to Keep in Mind

Battery size: bigger is better, up to a point. These days, batteries in the 700 - 750 Wh range seem to sit in the sweet spot for full power eMTBs, giving riders the ability to get out on long, multi-hour rides without incurring as much of a weight penalty as the 900 Wh options.

Cockpit controls: There are a wide variety of cockpit displays, some that look like they'd be better suited to the inside of a spaceship, and others that are much more minimalist. Personally, I like the smaller, less obtrusive options – Specialized does a good job with integrating their display into the top tube, as does Crestline with the way they've integrated Bosch's Kiox display.

Key components: On an eMTB, powerful brakes and tough tires should take top priority. Splurging for an extra fancy shock isn't typically worth it, at least in my experience - I've found that the extra weight of the bike can make middle-of-the-road suspension feel excellent. Going with an aluminum frame will help save money at the cost of additional weight, although don't forget that there's a motor to take off some of the sting.

Maintenance: Unfortunately, e-bike motors aren't that easy to service at home. When something goes wrong it's typically time for a visit to a bike shop, so it's not a bad idea to consider what type of dealer network is available for the motor in the bike you're looking at.




There you have it - a quick primer on what to look for in an eMTB in 2023. Jumping into this world requires a substantial investment, even for the most budget-oriented models, which makes gathering as much information and trying as many options as you can before making a purchase even more important. If the cheapest e-bikes are still too expensive for you, don't worry - regular mountain bikes are a lot more affordable and just as much fun.

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445 Comments
  • 857 316
 You shouldn’t buy one.
  • 179 172
 I'm still trying to figure out why they bothered posting this article...
  • 148 82
 @tidnes: maybe try to figure out how to use the e-bike filter instead?
  • 232 98
 @tidnes: why bother replying if you sre not interested? the article clearly isn’t for you, just stop after reading the headline and carry on
being miserable Smile
  • 60 84
flag BermJunky (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:46) (Below Threshold)
 I’m loving the downvotes! It reads like a hurt feewings report. Hahaha
  • 6 31
flag bikeblur (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:46) (Below Threshold)
 Any and all of them
  • 27 68
flag RedBurn (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:48) (Below Threshold)
 You shouldnt buy ANY new bike - electric or not !
  • 45 20
 Expected this as the most upvoted comment and was not disappointed. Good gob everyone!
  • 15 3
 ... Until the technology plateus like it has for pedal bikes. Personally, I'm holding out for solid state batteries. Those are supossed to hit the car industry in 2-3 years, so it might not be tooo long before some of those make it onto some eebs.
  • 12 8
 @RedBurn: exactly! So many great used bike options out there, just like used cars. #neverbuynew
  • 27 30
 Correct, the trails should only be used by horses and hikers and all bicycles should be banned...
  • 6 1
 @Glory831Guy: I'm with this guy!
  • 5 25
flag jimmyricard (Mar 4, 2023 at 11:10) (Below Threshold)
 @terb4044: fut the shuck up lol
  • 14 23
flag GeneralGroovus (Mar 4, 2023 at 11:38) (Below Threshold)
 The Fun Police have arrived. Great advice Karen, but I'm good.
  • 55 10
 @BermJunky: not filtering e-bikes is what’s known as “knowing your enemy”
  • 13 28
flag BermJunky (Mar 4, 2023 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 @5afety3rd: your statement is what’s known as “lost all perspective on the minutiae of life”.
  • 6 10
flag WhateverBikes (Mar 4, 2023 at 12:34) (Below Threshold)
 @Sethimus: He just answered the question.
That you don't like the answer doesn't change that fact.
  • 20 19
 Should should buy one if you can. If you can't don't be bitter about it.
  • 15 6
 @RedBurn: emtbs make sense to buy new because of the warranty on the motor and battery. Try to hold out for a good sale though. I bought my levo alloy comp for 2k under MSRP.
  • 49 32
 ...Honda CRF 125F, electric start, fuel injected, smaller than your e-bike, half the price of your e-bike, sips fuel and goes way, way further than your e-bike, puts the equivalent of 6000 Watts of power to the ground, just sayin'...
  • 28 6
 @andrewfrauenglass: eMTB and dirtbikes are obviously vastly different. eMTB are gaining access to MTB trails and Moto will never. Also how is a 190 lb moto smaller than a 50-60 lb eMTB?
  • 51 49
 Here's the deal, if you don't want an ebike. Don't comment here. Don't be an unhelpful turd.
  • 25 1
 I am holding out for the Tesla self-riding e-bike
  • 9 0
 @in2falling: Yeah, and be sure to shell out for FSB (Full Self Bunnyhop)
  • 9 0
 @barp: I am hoping for a auto-manual feature, since I suck at them
  • 27 25
 Granted the title is click bait for the clicks...but damn F U, you shouldn't be pushing e-bikes as things "we should buy in 2023". F U Pinkbike!
  • 13 4
 Just say no
  • 2 0
 @in2falling: Shouldnt be too hard to figure out , just look at Segways...
  • 23 9
 @BermJunky: sadly there is no ebike filter on our trails
  • 5 0
 This is the way
  • 4 0
 @tidnes: because, like it or not, it's their job.
  • 3 3
 @Sethimus: why reply to their reply if the reply clearly isn't for you?
  • 1 8
flag sophisticatedhonky (Mar 5, 2023 at 6:08) (Below Threshold)
 Cool story bro, you tell it at party’s?
  • 21 3
 The correct number of e bikes on should own is N-1.
  • 1 3
 The problem is that if you're not half-deaf and don't want to spend 10k the options in the ebike market are limited. Many of the most motors have issues like at least loud clunking when you go dh (thik of chain rattle like in the good old days). Then the trend for bigger batteries makes them not get lighter but heavier. This means real world weight of more than 25 kg which together with the often long chanstays makes for a really underwhelming ride feel.
  • 14 9
 @lokbot: it's a pit bike, tiny wheels, shorter wheelbase. Don't get the "big wheel" version, get the small wheel one because even kids can ride it. It is heavier but takes up less space in the garage than a mountain bike. Soooo much more fun... let's keep e-mtb in perspective, right now, for financiers, it's called a sucker's market, because ignorant people suck up advertising hype like it's going out of style...
They should be labeled "commuter vehicles" and bunched in as true "mopeds". Put brake lights on them, turn signals, a two-person seat, passenger foot pegs, and racks for your groceries. E-bikes don't belong on trails with human powered mountain bikes (just like dirt bikes). You're a poser anyway, www.pinkbike.com/u/afrauenglass
  • 6 4
 @tidnes: It the usual infomercial. Note how there are only five manufacturers mentioned in the guide.

But besides that it is time to realize that we should not be buying new bikes. The manufacturing of a new bike, and especially a e-MTB, is a small environmental disaster, and a MTB can easily last 10-15 years. Use the one you have and help save the planet! Or if you are new to the sport buy used!
  • 6 1
 @andrewfrauenglass: Everyone knows the best value in moto is a lightly used 250 two stroke. Go big or go home!

You gotta remember though, Moto is basicaly dead in a lot of areas where it used to thrive. Me and lots of my neighbors all used to ride, and now hardly anyone does. Noise complaints and no new riding areas has killed moto everywhere outside BFE.

Moto OEM's need to get off their ass and offer an electric bike already. E-MTBs are taking their lunch and they are asleep at the wheel. And before you mention it, I am familiar with the Alta MXR, and Stark Varg
  • 1 4
 Buy one used right now, if you have too. Way to many bikes right on market due to overselling 2020 and 2022. Pointless to buy new unless manufacturer practically giving it away.
  • 1 15
flag andrewfrauenglass (Mar 5, 2023 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 @Glory831Guy: hey fake glory831girl, what's up with the adolescent cutesy name. I'm real. www.pinkbike.com/u/afrauenglass I sold my Beta 500 RR for the pit bike sized 125. Dumbass sayings like "go big or go home" are for ignorant idiots that annoy their neighbors with loud poo-smokes riding where they shouldn't. The 125 is as quiet as they get and going "big" would be stupid. You've got "pinkbike poser" written all over you, nobody wants smack talk opinions. Step up... e-poser
  • 9 0
 @Glory831Guy: If you run some basic math you'll understand why the OEMs aren't offering e-motos. It comes back to what is possible with current battery technology and what the market really wants from a range/run time perspective.

Here are some basics you can toy with on your own...

A gallon of gas has ~33.7 kWh of energy in it.
An electric motor is ~90% efficient
An ICE is ~30% efficient

This means my KTM 300 which has about 50 miles of range (I often carry gas on longer rides btw) via 2.6 gallons or ~87 kwh. Given the above assumptions, you need about 1/3 of this due to the efficiency of an electric motor so say 30kwh. Maybe 2 stroke engines are extra inefficient so lets say 18-20kwh is required to match that 50 mile range of a dirt bike. That is going to be one monster-heavy dirt bike.

To translate this my model Y has an 81 kwh battery which weighs 1168 lbs. 1/3 of this would weigh 390 pounds. 1/4 of this would weigh 292 pounds.

This is why the Starks and Altas aren't actually viable alternatives and this is why the OEMs aren't actually aiming to "disrupt the space" with e-motos.

They are well aware how impactful going electric *really* would be. Unfortunately, they won't make the big shift (pun intended) until the batteries get 2-3x as dense for their weight. At this point, things will get really really interesting.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
  • 2 1
 I was wondering what “the guy that rides his mountain bike on country roads and post the data like it’s a medal” thinks about e-bikes. Thanks this helps me greatly.
  • 5 0
 @tidnes: it’s called suggestive persuasion, instead of asking if you should buy an e-bike they tell you why you should, it removes the question that you may say no to and allows them to focus on the positives of why you should
  • 4 2
 @JeffreyJim: you forgot to factor in the mining and manufacturing of batteries into your equation. And how the electricity in the battery was generated.
  • 2 0
 @netracer-enduro: Yep, to put a courtroom drama spin on this, I'd say "Objection! The question assumes facts not in evidence."
  • 4 2
 @andrewfrauenglass: have fun on your lame overpriced pitbike, moron
  • 1 3
 @andrewfrauenglass: somebody is butthurt that their overpriced, overweight 500 Dual sport got smoked by a 125 smoker, haha! Have fun with your lame 300lb dual sport and 10hp pitbike, squid!
  • 1 2
 @JeffreyJim: meh, I just ride moto. Enduro/ trails aint my jam
  • 1 0
 @andrewfrauenglass: Pit bikes are lame and only useful for getting kids used to riding moto. Any adult should be on a full size bike. I have a Beta 300rr for when I want to ride moto. A specialized stumpjumper Evo for when I want to trail ride of do Enduro, an alloy Levo for if I wanna get in laos when I don't have 2-3 hours to go riding.

I can afford more toys because I don't have a car payment because I bought a 10 year old dodge ram for $7000 5 years ago and I'll be driving it for another 10+ years. I don't pay for a mechanic as I know how to turn a wrench, have tools and a garage.

You too can have this on a middle class income if you learn to manage your money well.
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: huh? This wasn't a calculation of CO2 emissions via batteries or ICE vs electric on a carbon footprint basis. Go back and read what I wrote.
  • 1 0
 @Glory831Guy: trails are far more analogous to what an e-bike/mtn bike does than moto but to each their own. I still struggle to see how a Stark or similar is going to really work at the track. You'll get through maybe 1 moto and need to charge the bike. Lame.
  • 3 1
 @JeffreyJim: I would rather own a stark and multiple batteries and bulletptoof motor VS a moto thumper with $2,000 top ends.

TC250 OR 300 Would be my ultimate dream bike, but brand new smokers(or mx thumpers either) don't even qualify for a sticker anymore in CA. So it's either old-smoker or E-bike now, really.
  • 1 1
 Spoken like a true HATER!
  • 11 7
 Most professional DH and enduro racers are riding ebikes to improve their riding. Unless they are XC rider, you are training on one as they give you more saddle time and improve your riding skills. Going downhill, the are slower and require more effort to turn than analog. You can cover 3 to 4 times the distance so it's a better tool to improve. If you aren't training on the best equipment available, you are not winning. I ride one because I am physically disabled. Many people like me would not be able to ride if it weren't for ebikes. Kind of bummed to hear people like you make these comments. If you were to have an accident and get your leg cut off, you would be happy to buy one. Good luck
  • 1 2
 Tesla's bringing out a self driven ebike with pedals that can't be ridden.
  • 6 3
 @zephxiii: Maybe you missed it... the article state
"So, we’re launching a seven-part series called MTB Explained, where we help new riders navigate some of the basics of our sport."

Previously there was a "what Mountain Bike should you buy in 2023". They're covering things that people are interested in and eMTB is something that people are interested in. Get off your high horse and get out riding.
  • 11 8
 E-bikes are better than acoustic bikes. That’s why they are becoming more popular and acoustic bike sales are getting less.
  • 6 7
 @lev3000: no, humans are just impressionable impulsive and lazy creatures who like new shiny things.
  • 1 0
 @netracer-enduro: And that's why it's so annoying.
  • 2 1
 @lokbot: You missed the point. Both are annoying, because they imply you SHOULD buy a new (e)bike.
That's not for them to judge, and if anything, rational reasoning would be to advise to not buy new bikes (unless you really need a new bike and other options aren't suitable for you).
  • 2 1
 @lev3000: They are verifiably worse in many ways, and debatably better in only some ways.
  • 3 0
 @doctor-m: Here's the deal, if you make the headline a question, be prepared for answers, some of which you may not like.
  • 1 1
 @WhateverBikes: you're reading into this too much. Buyers guides are meant for people who are in the market or on the fence about being in the market. It discusses types of bikes categorically for how they fit your needs. No where does it say that you have you buy a brand new bike. Pinkbike has also written articles on how to buy a used bike. I wouldn't be surprised if they put one of those out in this 7 part series.

You seem kinda defensive like you're offended that they're telling YOU that you SHOULD buy a new bike. That's simply not the case that they're making. You should focus on your own life and not be obsessed with other people wanting to buy a new bike.
  • 2 0
 @dododuzzi: the planet is doomed
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 @lokbot: I am not obsessed, and I find it strange that a few comments on this thread made you come to that conclusion.

Anyway, I don't care that articles like these are written. They are not for me, but I assume they help some people finding the right bike for them, and that's good.

My only gripe here is the way they formulated then title of this article. 'What e-bike should you buy in 2023?' totally skips the matter of whether you should actually buy an e-bike in the first place, and therefore, yes, it does make the assumption that we should buy an e-bike.
  • 2 1
 @WhateverBikes: Nitpicking the title of an article without taking any context of the content of the article is ridiculous. First and foremost, the article is likely titled to work well with SEO, as well as let the reader know what the content of the article contains (A comparison of different types of eMTB). The title achieves these goals very clearly. The downside for the title is that some sensitive flowers are going to get triggered by it because they're too insecure and are projecting their insecurity at the comment section on pinkbike. It's a good title for an article, you're just too sensitive and easily offended.

It doesn't take a genius to decipher what the purpose of the article is. As its stated in the opening of the article.
"The purpose of this guide is to explain the difference between the various options on the market, and hopefully make it easier to decide which one makes the most sense for your riding style.

Of course, there's also always the option of buying a regular, non-motorized mountain bike – going that route is much less expensive, and you won't ever need to worry about your battery dying in the middle of a ride. For riders interested in going down that path, we've put together a helpful guide to help explain the various options."

What part of that sounds like they're trying to tell you that YOU NEED to buy an eMTB?

"My only gripe here is the way they formulated then title of this article. 'What e-bike should you buy in 2023?' totally skips the matter of whether you should actually buy an e-bike in the first place, and therefore, yes, it does make the assumption that we should buy an e-bike."

It doesn't make that assumption. You're projecting that assumption onto the title. How can you tell that it's not a statement that you need to buy an eMTB you might ask. Because it's ended with a ?, it's a question not a statement. How else can you tell that it isn't a statement that you need to buy an eMTB? Because of the content of the article ya ding dong.

Why did I say that you should stop obsessing over other people wanting to buy a new bike? Because you're hung up on what other people do with their money to the point where you're responding to a comment I made to another inflamed a*shole.

zephxiii (Mar 4, 2023 at 20:02)
Granted the title is click bait for the clicks...but damn F U, you shouldn't be pushing e-bikes as things "we should buy in 2023". F U Pinkbike!

lokbot (Mar 5, 2023 at 20:32)
@zephxiii: Maybe you missed it... the article state
"So, we’re launching a seven-part series called MTB Explained, where we help new riders navigate some of the basics of our sport."

Previously there was a "what Mountain Bike should you buy in 2023". They're covering things that people are interested in and eMTB is something that people are interested in. Get off your high horse and get out riding.

WhateverBikes (3 days ago)
@lokbot: You missed the point. Both are annoying, because they imply you SHOULD buy a new (e)bike.
That's not for them to judge, and if anything, rational reasoning would be to advise to not buy new bikes (unless you really need a new bike and other options aren't suitable for you).

A you felt so offended by the idea of other people buying a new bike that you needed you chime in and brosplane how illogical it is to buy a new bike and that other people shouldn't be doing that "unless you really need a new bike". Dude seriously get off of other people's jock. You shouldn't be so worried about what other people do with their money nothing good comes of your aggravation.
  • 2 2
 Hey outside750, when you're out on the trail, wear a T-shirt that says Fuk emtb. I'mma hit you with a shovel, the same shovel that built the trails you're riding on.
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 @dee12641: that’s a bit aggressive. Smile

I’ve actually been building trails for over 20 years.
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 @lokbot: LOL, and you think is ME who is obsessing… ‍♂️

Look, the only part that matters of your whole comment is this:

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"My only gripe here is the way they formulated then title of this article. 'What e-bike should you buy in 2023?' totally skips the matter of whether you should actually buy an e-bike in the first place, and therefore, yes, it does make the assumption that we should buy an e-bike."

It doesn't make that assumption. You're projecting that assumption onto the title. How can you tell that it's not a statement that you need to buy an eMTB you might ask. Because it's ended with a ?, it's a question not a statement. How else can you tell that it isn't a statement that you need to buy an eMTB? Because of the content of the article ya ding dong.
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I only commented on the title, not on the article itself, as I clearly stated.
And you are wrong about that part. The title is a question, yes, but that question contains a statement. It doesn't ask IF one should buy an e-bike, it asks WHAT e-bike you should buy. if you don't understand that that implies you should buy an e-bike than this discussion is pretty useless.

Anyway, I'm gonna rebuild a nice nineties mountain bike now, better way to spend my time.
  • 1 0
 @zephxiii: Well, in my case literally so yes. I intend to ride my 26" bikes until I can no longer ride at all. Not out of stubbornness, but because it's affordable, better the environment, and they offer me everything I look for in a bike. in spades!
  • 1 2
 @WhateverBikes: the fact that you're creating a narrative for a title without any context of the article shows how shallow of a thinker you are. You're offended by the title of an article that wasn't meant to target you.

The parr that really matters from my comment is
"The article is likely titled to work well with SEO, as well as let the reader know what the content of the article contains (A comparison of different types of eMTB). The title achieves these goals very clearly. The downside for the title is that some sensitive flowers are going to get triggered by it because they're too insecure and are projecting their insecurity at the comment section on pinkbike. It's a good title for an article, you're just too sensitive and easily offended."

You have to be a complete moron to think that a title directed at another demographic is actually Pinkbike telling you that you SHOULD BUY AND EMTB IN 2023. Also it's easy to clear up the intent of a title by reading a paragraph in the article, but you're already so revved up an pussy hurt that you couldn't bring yourself to perceive any greater context.

You're delusional my friend.
  • 2 1
 @lokbot: LOL, what makes you think I am 'offended by the title'?
I think the title is crappy, that's all.
Of course I understand it's written for SEO, almost everything is nowadays. That doesn't make it less crappy.

But hey, if it makes you happy to think I am all worked up about that title, be my guest. Can't wait for you next looooooong reply.
  • 1 2
 @WhateverBikes: You create a narrative that isn't there. You're too stupid to articulate valid argument. Huff my shorts you overly sensitive mongoloid.
  • 4 0
 @lokbot: It takes a really extraordinary mind to call another person a "mongoloid" in this day and age.
  • 1 0
 @barp: Sorry everyone for the use of the word mongoloid I didn't realize the history behind the term. Thanks for calling me out for the usage. What I should have said was "Huff my shorts you overly sensitive troglodyte."
  • 233 16
 I'm trying to decipher when an ebike is okay and when it is not. Seems the average pber thinks as follows:

1. Old person (70+) - good on you mate for getting out there, an ebike is perfect for you
2. Older person (50-70) - just a rich person who can't ride OR it's okay because you have health issues
3. Anyone aged 30-50 - you are just a rich person who is lazy and ruining the trails
4. Under 30 - scum of the earth
5. Have a physical disability you can see - isn't ebiking amazing! Great on ya!
6. Have disability but can't see it - again you are the scum of the earth
7. Fat - lazy and no point riding a bike if you can't power it yourself, eat better and get fitter then you can enjoy our sport
8. Olympian - also not allowed to ride an ebike because you will lose your fitness
9. Commuter - god bless you, but really I think you should be using an analog and you are lazy
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 Great comment, totally nailed it on the ‘judgemental’ attititudes here and when the ‘exceptions’ are allowed for who should be able to ride an ebike and not be shamed. I’m just over 40 so I fall under the rich category (I assure you I’m not), and lazy (also I’m not), but that’s totally the mentality a lot of people have about them on here. I get my heart rate up on it as much as I do on my regular bike but people can tell me i’m lying and that’s not possible, as that’s another judgemental thing some love to harp on about.
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 @Ryawesomerpm: It's great that you enjoy your ebike despite the haters, but you have to admit that at least the old, disabled and lazy people have an excuse to ride an e-bike.
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 @IntoTheEverflow: I just hope I never see those normal bikes on chairs / uplifts.
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 I'm 63 and have a fleet of bikes - 4 analog and 1 eMTB. Yes my Heckler cost a lot, but it is fun to ride up hills that I was pushing my analog up. Isn't enjoying your time on the bike part of work out / experience? Shame away but you won't change my mind.
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 LOL. Spot on.
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 @Schbeemb: gotta earn those descents right? /s
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 @Ryawesomerpm: sounds like you actually are just rich and lazy
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 @Slowasaur: as you exit the shuttle up...
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 Ebikes have just fully reaffirmed I like biking alone more than anything, the only thing worse than someone that wants to tell me why they're bad is the dingus that "wants to have a conversation" about them a the trail head. I ride mountain bikes to have fun, thats why i don't road bike, fitness is just an ancillary side benefit, and if you're a someone that puts fitness not just first but as the only reason you ride bikes... yeah dude i really don't care to know you.
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 @pbfan08: when I started MTB, there were still klunkers. Roadies hated us. Hateful old horse and hikers associations (HOHAS) hated us. Soon enough roadies tried MTB after Tomac did the Euro thing. We were finally cool. Few realize ebikes were a vision of Lee Iacocca. When eMTB started the same narrow-minded roadie-converts immediately threw every logical fallacy at us. Through all the 40 years of this silliness, riding alone is still my favorite way to recharge my soul and eMTB helps me do what my 20 yo self could.
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 @Ryawesomerpm: genuinely curious. How do you achieve heart same as peddal? You peddal full out? The extra weight requires more energy?
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 @russthedog: lmao whining about "rich people" while you ride a modern full sus mountain bike is just lame jealous loser behavior. If you want some real salt you can lick it off my pole after I ride my ebike.
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 @IntoTheEverflow: the excuse is that eMTB are fun. Just like if you ever use a shuttle or a chair lift on an analog MTB. You don't need an excuse to have fun.
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 @RealtorTechGuy: I'm not sure I entirely agree with @Ryawesomerpm, but it does depend a lot on the ride and the mode you ride in. And upfront, I'm one of the fatter (not lazy) than I should be ones.

For instance, if you're just pedalling up fire road I can see it being similar. But on a single-track trail loop with a decent amount of technical climbing I find I spend way too much time at/close to my max heart rate if I'm on my enduro bike (arguably the wrong kind of bike but it's what I have). I could only replicate that it I was in eco mode on the emtb, but that's just not fun so I don't do it - I'm usually in tour+ or emtb modes (rarely use turbo).

You're right though, a lot depends on effort you put in, even in similar riding modes. I did two pretty much identical trail centre loops a week apart in January. One trying to keep up with a mate, one not. My heart rate data was pretty different

Solo: Average 139; Max 168
Duo: Average 159; Max 183

Don't have data to hand, but I'd imagine the same ride on MTB would add another 10bpm to the average. What I find on this trail is I am only capable of one pace on the ups because they're tough so I'm close to max effort always. Was the same 20 years ago when I was actually fit.
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 @RealtorTechGuy: have you ever tried one? You go faster and steeper (uphill) than mtb’s. And then there’s the different modes…
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 It's only online that you get in contact with such miserable people. Never met anyone who's so negative in real life. I'm an enduro rider in the shape of my life and ebikes just make riding more fun. I use to just grind the same descents because anything not DH is boring but with an ebike everything is fun. I do trainer bike in the winter and go to the gym usually 4 times a week. And am among the fastest riders locally. As to how ebikes compare to normal bikes it's not easier in the sense that you just breeze on it. Regular trails that I would go 10-12kmh on a regular bike just spin easy I go over twice the speed on an ebike and it turns into taxing riding taking the heart beat high. On a regular bike I wouldn't do the technical ascents as they redline your heart rate and it takes a long time to settle it down for an enduro run full speed down. On an ebike I ride everything and can actually retain a steady state of high exertion. I can use it all on the descents and rest on uphills.
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 Just came your to see this ahaha,now I can go on ,thanks
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 @RealtorTechGuy: just got back from ebike ride and checked heart rate ……peaked at 167 .
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 @Matt115lamb: you forget to charge your battery...
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 @pbfan08: haha mega lol, nice one!
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 @pbfan08: fuken eh man! And you're from colorado. I'm in whistler, own 5 bikes, two of which are ebikes. You gotta love when some Pennsylvania flatlander is shitting on ebikes when they have a couple hundred feet of vert in the whole state.
  • 3 1
 Those kids on eBikes with their eBike parents are the WORST! Wink
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 I have an ebike, I'm 32 and not rich. I see many normal bikes 3x more expensive than mine second hand yt decoy. Anyways I bought because I'm only into downhill. And my closest bike parks have no uplift. So it's either ebike or pushing your bike up. What a fun is to waste your time pushing bike up... its not even cycling, and the push up track is not friendly for normal bikes.
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flag zephxiii (Mar 5, 2023 at 16:08) (Below Threshold)
 I saw a 20yo weighing a buck 50 on an ebike on our XC trail and it looked ridiculous.
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 @RealtorTechGuy: it's pretty simple, the motor adds assistance to the power you're putting down. It doesn't take away from the power you're putting down. So you pedal the bike like usual with significant drive and your HR goes up, you just get up the hill faster because the assistance from the motor.

Other things you can do would be pedal at an amount of watts that would put your HR in zone 2 and let the motor do more work for you and still get up to the top of the hill pretty fast.
  • 4 1
 You have to add 10. Professional DH, Enduro racer or Freeriders using them to train. Most use them to get more saddle time. Danny hart Greg Minnar, AAron Gwin, Ryan/R-Dog Howard, Semenuk, Charlie Hatton, Loic Bruni to name a few.
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 @Slowasaur: hehehe yep
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 @Geochemistry: this is so well put. All this ridiculous hate. If you want to ride a normal bike, do. If you want to shuttle/chair, do. If you want to ride an ebike, access so much riding and enjoy it, do. It's hilarious that such a great thing has caused such a divide. But, I guess that the comments section wouldn't be the same without it.
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 Im under 20 and want an ebike purely to rid more during the winter when. daylight is limited and my local riding becomes either as slippery as ice or thick mud that clogs your frame, my logic is that more power and speed overcomes teh clogging issue since I can power through it
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 @RealtorTechGuy: When I've ridden emtb's I found that I hit peak HR less often, but spent a ton of time in threshold (zone 4). Also because I wasn't as maxed out on the climbs I didn't end up resting at the top before descending, therefore stayed in threshold without dipping. It's weird how it worked, it ended up being a different workout with virtues all its own. Twice the descents meant more upper body workout too. But yeah you could definitely cruise with lower hr/higher assist if you wanted, just choose your own adventure.
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 @thefinalsound: couldn't agree more about "choose your own adventure". It's the same pedals and cranks, what's stopping you from getting the EXACT exercise you would on a normal bike? Sure you definitely can be lazy as hell, and many riders are, but you can also be lazy and slow on a normal bike I've seen plenty of those riders too. I just feel bad for the haters, cause goddamn ebikes are fun.
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 The truth is that people who hate on eMTB just simply jealous. You can have as much or as little fitness as you want. They are just jealous that they cannot afford one. MTB community is full of small jealous people being all jealous about other people's gear Big Grin

P.S. I have a simple hub-driven e-bike for commuting and only ride a single track on a regular MTB. I am not an eMTBer but will say f*ck YOU to fellow MTBers hating on eBikers.

There is only one type of eBike scam I want to be gone - those who don't mark their rides as such on Strava.
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 @Bunabe: you are fast locally cuz you are smashing those KOMs on an eBike and marking it as regular MTB ahahaha Big Grin
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 @russthedog: ya, you obviously know me well, internet stranger.
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 @russthedog: this guy thinks a middle class worker is rich. You must be too lazy to dedicate yourself to a job, or you're broke because you're to stupid and don't know how to manage your money so you can buy nice toys.
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 @lokbot: THIS. Mountain biking isn't a cheap hobby but if you're first reaction is "RICH EBIKERS" you have been so coddled in life that I can barely articulate a nice response because you are f*cking spoiled, there are many hobbies cheaper than biking and many orders of magnitude more expensive. If thats the sole basis for you're disdain, stop mountain biking period.
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 @Schbeemb: I guess you haven't been to BPW in a while (or ever) there's always at least 4-5 on the trailer.
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 @lokbot: the fact that I'm on here should tell you that I'm probably also middle class as well, and therefore also proportionately rich - well at least rich enough to own a bike or two!
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 @russthedog:

Ryawesomerpm (Mar 4, 2023 at 11:19)
Great comment, totally nailed it on the ‘judgemental’ attititudes here and when the ‘exceptions’ are allowed for who should be able to ride an ebike and not be shamed. I’m just over 40 so I fall under the rich category (I assure you I’m not), and lazy (also I’m not), but that’s totally the mentality a lot of people have about them on here. I get my heart rate up on it as much as I do on my regular bike but people can tell me i’m lying and that’s not possible, as that’s another judgemental thing some love to harp on about.

russthedog (Mar 4, 2023 at 15:00)
@Ryawesomerpm: sounds like you actually are just rich and lazy

lokbot (1 days ago)
@russthedog: this guy thinks a middle class worker is rich. You must be too lazy to dedicate yourself to a job, or you're broke because you're to stupid and don't know how to manage your money so you can buy nice toys.

russthedog (2 hours ago)
@lokbot: the fact that I'm on here should tell you that I'm probably also middle class as well, and therefore also proportionately rich - well at least rich enough to own a bike or two!

Ahh so you're saying that anyone who owns a bike or two is rich.
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 @thefinalsound: you nailed it !
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 @valrock: I've been riding a full suspension for 12 years. Last year was the first one I rode on an eMTB... And I'm not talking about pedaling segments I'm talking about technical skill. On minute downhill segments the weight of the eMTB makes it slower...
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 @Bunabe: I think @valrock was talking about xc kom and climb kom.
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 See headline -> don't read -> comments...
  • 7 1
 You’re not wrong
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 That is the law.
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 @iammarkstewart: me too, only hear for the tears of the (anti anything that they don't agree with) karens, the delicious salty taste.
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 Get one with big cargo ability and a trailer hitch. That way you can transport your regular bike to the trailhead plus a keg for after the ride.
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flag Stinky-Dee (Mar 4, 2023 at 16:42) (Below Threshold)
 Scrolling down thinking what Luddite has some snarky I hate eBike comment and will it be funny or will it be the same old eBike derangement syndrome stupid childish comment…
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 100%
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 Confirmed
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 Bring on the haters...

Honestly, just get out there and ride whatever bike you like. If it's an v-brake equipped 26-er, boutique full-sus mullet or eMTB.

I (ve) owned them all and loved them all. If you put a gun to my head and I have to choose one bike, it would be the eMTB hands down.
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 I, personally, cannot have a good time on a bike unless I know the PB comment section is ok with what i'm riding..
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 I like it more when they're mad, its quite funny.
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 The most expensive one with the most integrated bullshit
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 Yes. I want one with quad battery packs and dual rear wheels.
  • 6 1
 And make sure it has terrible cable routing
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 I read that so I'm not complaining. This isn't for me and it isn't for me (not a beginner, not interested in e-bikes). However, I've got to say the article was clear and fair. One thing that I feel should be stressed more would be the cost over an unassisted bike.

1. As there is so much development in this field, resale value will be relatively low.
2. Wear on parts will be high.
3. Whereas you can learn to work on nearly everything of an unassisted bike (except for maybe a rear shock), you will most definitely not learn to work on the electronics of an e-bike. So whenever it needs work, it implies money and downtime.
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 @vinay: some very good points you made. I'd argue that if you buy a new eMTB you get pretty damn good warranty for the motor that will be worked on by the shop if their are issues at no cost.

You're right that you'd still have downtime, but that's not unique to eMTB. When you dent a rim, crack a chain stay, rip off a derailleur, you end up with down time. It takes time to order a rim and spokes and have enough time to build a new wheel. Or in my case, submit a warranty for my rim I bought that has a lifetime warranty.

Not buying something that you'd enjoy just because there's a potential for needing service down the line leaves you missing out on a lot of fun.

All of the other maintenance parts of the eMTB are identical to MTB and could be done in your own garage just like an analog MTB.
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 @lokbot: Thanks for your response. You're primarily responding to my third point (which is fine) and it seems things are taking slightly out of context (so let me clarify). I didn't say one shouldn't get an e-bike based on these points, just that they should be taken into consideration along with the other points mentioned in the article itself. I'm not sure whether bike shops are allowed to work on these motors actually. I recall they weren't initially as everything is calibrated to make sure they comply to the road laws and the rules for them to be allowed on trails. Of course anything can break on your bike so yeah you'll always have to deal with that. And if you can't immediately buy those parts around the corner, you'll have to wait for them to arrive. My point was, anyone can learn to perform those repairs at home. Whether one has the time or is even willing to do it is up to the individual of course. But it is still a matter of choice. In case of the electronics, it is not. Hence why I said this should be a consideration. Parts which you expect to break sooner or later (or just wear parts like chains, sprockets, tires and cables) I'd typically keep an eye on in the webstores and buy them when they have a sale. So they may sit idle for a while but will always be used sooner or later. And when the time comes, the only limitation is the time I have available myself. But if you can't ride because something is broken, you have time to perform the repair job Smile . But obviously, I don't expect anyone to stock a spare e-bike motor. Nor a chainstay indeed.
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 Perspective of a shop guy here.
I'll gladly sell you one. That helps keep me in a job and keeps the lights on. The downside is that I'm almost fully occupied with warranty issues. Despite the fact that E-bike sales only make up a small percentage or sales, they make up a large part of the warranty claims I'm putting through on behalf of customers. The added complexity of these ebike systems adds so much bloody opportunity for faults it's not funny. I'm seriously worried our best mechanic is going to walk out because he's sick and tired of all of the problems we see over and over with some ebikes, and I'm talking about a couple of the biggest brands here. We don't even touch anything with a Bafang system or similar.

Until these things are more reliable and I see bikes with +10k price tags that aren't constantly f-ckin up I'm riding my Amish bike and happily doing less laps. I know my legs will be ready for my next Chilcotins trip
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 This should be the most upvoted comment.
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 Amish bike, I'm using that.
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 What brands do you sell?
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 @Kootbiker: Yeah my question as well but obviously as a retailer he can't say in fear of retaliation from the brand.
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 @Kootbiker: The ones we sell that I will recommend are Transition, Santa Cruz and Specialized (2.2 motors).Those units cause me the least amount of headaches
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 I worked as a bike mechanic for 20-ish years. Left to become an electrician, which has it's own set of challenges, but at least I make a living wage. Bicycle mechanic is a dead end job with low pay and increasing headaches even if you can afford to open your own shop. I was passionate about BICYCLES, not mopeds.
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 We run a small workshop at our local trailhead as part of our advocacy program. We had to stop taking in ebikes to repair as the guys at the factory (normally willing to do work outside the assembly line) refused to work on any more second hand ebikes. They just take way too long to work on, and have way too many warranty issues. We're lucky as that was effectively a sideline we did to support our local trailhead community and so could enforce some no-ebike rules. I feel your pain!
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 Remember back when this was an athletic sport?
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flag lbinegar (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:12) (Below Threshold)
 I'm thinking you know this, but if you can go ride an Ebike and empty the battery (or 2 of them like we do), and then tell us you didn't get a work out, then you might have some cred. At least be honest. It's a different workout. More balanced for your body and more fun for the mind (for me and my bros at least). Enjoy your ride!!
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flag bocomtb FL (Mar 4, 2023 at 11:07) (Below Threshold)
 You mean yesterday?
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 golf used to be that way too. you used to carry you bag on your shoulder for 5mi. then the wheeled cart, powered golf cart, snack bar every 4 holes and finally.....the beer cart! everything starts out fringe and pure, then gets corrupted by fat lazy people with money. thankfully you can still ride a bike or walk the course if you choose.
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 @lbinegar: When I started mountain biking I would walk up hills most of the time. I was not athletic, still not athletic really, after 20 yrs on bikes.
But you know what? I still can go ride, and I don't need to charge my bike to do it.
The sport of mountain biking is entirely what you make it to be.
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 Legitimate question, not trying to start an argument. Where can you ride an ebike in USA? My only MTB experience there is in the national forests of northern New Mexico and Colorado and a state park in Texas(palo duro canyon). I understood at the time definitely prohibited in these 3 places? Where are people riding them? Thanks
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 What, downhill?
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 So downhill riders aren’t athletic? Seems like the only people that say this about e-bikes are those that aren’t fast/skilled enough to use energy on the downhills
  • 4 1
 @Mtbdialed: I saw an electric golf caddy following a golfer across the road once while on a bike ride, reminded me of humans in WALL-E.
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flag luckynugget (Mar 4, 2023 at 22:55) (Below Threshold)
 shut the f up, we have been riding DH bikes way longer than climbable bikes that have more than 5 inches of travel have existed.
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 @HughBonero: Where people are 'allowed', and where people in fact do, are not one in the same unfortunately. Americans have a severe entitlement problem--'the rules apply to those other people, but it is all about *my* personal enjoyment, so they don't apply to me right now' etc.

People who have been riding a MTB for years and decided to get an eMTB do pretty well at riding where they are allowed--they understand and respect the trails. On the other hand, I've ran into more than one weekend warrior type who bought one because he needed something to burn off all the Bud Light he drinks while on his boat. These guys will never show up to a trail day in their life, and give f*ck-all about trail etiquette. But it's not all of one type or the other.

A lot of Colordado doesn't allow ebikes from my understanding, and that's likely due to trails being crowded enough as it is. But there are plenty of places where ebikes are allowed to be ridden. Unless posted otherwise, ebikes are allowed by default.
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flag konadan (Mar 5, 2023 at 20:49) (Below Threshold)
 @mikealive: I've seen many long time mountain bikers switch to ebikes and ride wherever they please despite the rules. People will actually give no fuchs and because there is no enforcement, they ride all the same spots as they did before. When they get called out, which is rare, they actually give the middle finger and ride away. Absolutely zero respect comes from ebikers, in general.
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 Can't help feeling ebikes change the culture of our sport and regular riders feel something in the comradery and support riders have for each other is lost. Before, it took time to gain experience/fitness to take you places, now anyone can access the trails with ease, oblivious to fact that before ebikes came along we had to really work hard to be part of the sport. Not to mention hand cut volunteer built trails - I find ebikers especially are ignorant to the system, not even giving a second's thought to where they come from. Not surprising perhaps, as they are new into the sport.

Having said all that, I have a (low power) ebike which I bought last year for health issues. I also have friends with ebikes. Walking contradiction that I am.
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 I don't think you are a walking contradiction mate--your comment nailed it. I don't care what anybody rides, BUT the trails don't dig themselves. Heck, they don't negotiate themselves either. All that land access takes talks, planning, periods of public comment, and more. So I agree with you, there's been this uphill climb for mtb access in many parts of the world, and quite a few ebikers (not all) feel like they are entitled to the access simply because they have the money to afford an emtb. If you came from years of a regular mountain bike and happen to now ride an emtb, all that culture is not lost on you.

To be fair, not everyone advocates for trail access, or shows up to dig days. But the 'natural order' used to dictate that the individual at least had to be fit enough to climb and access the trails, and have more hours in the saddle developing handling skills. That can now be circumvented by going the ebike route.
  • 2 1
 The person i know who is most involved in trail advocacy at a regional and national level in the UK is an ebike rider. The most prolific trail builders I know in a very popular riding spot in the UK are ebike riders.
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 Most comments are (already) by anti- e-bike crowd. You guys care sooo little that you need to ensure that your opinion is heard. Stop bitching, use the filter. We get it..you don’t like them. I respect that. But the constant whining on PB is brutal.
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 Sweet counter by whining about the anti-ebike crowd! Fight fire with fire
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 @b0cephus: Bahahaha touché.
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 Nice try but no
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 I have to agree though. Emtb is part of life and isn’t going anywhere. Crying in the comments for every article will not change that fact. Let’s move on and focus on the things you care about.
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 @Dones147: You guys will steal it regardless if it's motorized or not.
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 @goroncy: be careful, you may get annexed
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 There should be a "filter" to access E-bikes on PB, call it Pinky Bike.
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 Welcome to PB - i m on PB for the comment section
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flag usedbikestuff (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:57) (Below Threshold)
 I love e-bikes, but I don’t really support people buying them outside of a core group of advanced aged riders or those with disabilities. Support for electronics is already shit and these product won’t age well. Already hearing of companies not supporting batteries after a few years. Incredibly wasteful imo. Same reason I don’t run any carbon, impacts not worth it. Same reason my headphones have cords and I stopped buying garmin headunits
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 @usedbikestuff: what I’ve learned from this comment section is 100% of the complaints are coming from people who have never owned an E bike. Lmao
  • 18 7
 eBike haters have achieved the coveted status of "vocal minority". They can now join their spiritual brethren of HOA architecture boards and neighborhood preservation programs.
  • 5 3
 @bocomtb: and “freedom fighters” in Canada
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 @usedbikestuff: as a member of that core group (which is what I've convinced myself I am), I endorse this message.
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 @Dones147: "Nice try but no" sounds like Putin's Special Operation attempt...
  • 6 1
 My filter is on and this came through it. Looks like a pinkbike attempt to troll. Ok, I'll bite. I don't care what anybody buys to ride. Ebike is better than no bike, just please don't ride them where they are not legal.
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 How do I filter out ebike articles? serious question
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 @usedbikestuff: ironically if there was a time machine to transport you back to the dark ages where your thought process belongs and I've no doubt you'd be happy you wouldn't go because time travels too new and exciting on the tech front. Cheers for you support!
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 @mkul7r4: Why is your brain not the filter you require? How hard is it to read the title of an article and not read it.
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 The hate/whine we see online doesn't really translate on the trails which is interesting. These people are big talkers on the internet, but it's another story in real life.

Friendly comments and funny discusions are happening on pretty much all climbs for me, but you do have to be polite and respect the other riders out there.
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 They don't use the filter because they also desperately want one and can't wait till they can afford to get one.
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 "today on Pinkbike, Jealous/poor/salty/stale/depressed/old/envious /cherophobia People take to comment section on an ebike Post, Reports are coming in that these people are unable to Accept the fact others are having more fun than them"

Pinkbike gave these people an Ebike Filter but they refuse to use it so they can exprese their own displeasure of Not wanting to have fun only in MTB, they cant handle the fact someone just wants enjoy themselves instead of slogging their way to the top for no reason. - They've also written these comments whiling Compiling a List of Bike parks with chairlifts they wish to Ride this season.

Hating on ebikes is like refusing to drive a car because your horse was good enough - wheres your horse now? dead.
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 This ^
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flag pipomax (Mar 4, 2023 at 14:31) (Below Threshold)
 Comparing a means of transport to a vehicle generally used for physical exercise is the dumbest argument I've read for e-bikes
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 @pipomax: it's not comparing, its using the principal Argument and that was an example of thinking.

People who downvote my original comment only prove to themselves that they agree that they are one of the 8 examples of people I gave - its a shame we cant see who downvotes and upvotes, because then we could choose Whether future comments by said people had any real value or some ego opinion that reflected their low IQ.
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flag pipomax (Mar 4, 2023 at 15:35) (Below Threshold)
 @HeatedRotor: I proudly downvoted you. Clearly I don't give a shait, if you think my comments have or don't have any real value to you or anyone here for that matter.
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 @pipomax: Looks like you gave alot of "shait", you went to the effort to downvote and comment TWICE, expecting a third in relation to this comment.
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 @HeatedRotor: All that's for myself, nothing to do with you.
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 @pipomax: as expected, the 3rd comment....all good, if nothing to do with me, please refrain from commenting on my posts, make your own post to whinge on.

Im going to "assume" you dont like ebikes, why do you feel like you need to come onto these and post you dont like them?
  • 2 1
 Where's my horse now? Holy shit thanks for reminding me! Left him tied to a tree yesterday better go see if he's ok. Thanks!
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 @HeatedRotor: I only downvote your comment because you are wrong. I am completely able to accept the fact that fun is relative and you'll never know how much fun I have based on what bike I am riding.
  • 3 1
 @Spencermon: you missed the point based on your comment... its not about YOUR fun. its about others fun and the problem people seem to have with others having fun. You dont have to like ebikes but going out of your way to comment/bash etc a ebike post is pathetic(not directing this part at you)
  • 1 1
 @HeatedRotor: I can assure you I didn't miss the point. I get that you're trying to say that bashing on e-bikes in an bike post is lame, so maybe that's what you should have said. Instead of telling everyone that they are having less fun because they are not on e-bikes. That just makes you come off as an a*shole.
  • 7 0
 @Spencermon: again, you've missed it. I never said anyone is having "less" fun, I just said ebikes generally cause riders to have MORE fun based on Percentage of climbing effort/descending as an overal package without the slogging to the top - as that is the part most "steam" bikers have an issue with(getting to the top).

People who are fit an enjoy the climb have a Weird Ego about the fact they had to spend timing getting fit to get to the top quickly - then an ebike fatty zooms past them. for whatever reason that upsets them.. while they are puffing alot and sweating while the ebiker has big grin and has done 2 more laps(anther reason why ebikes are so good, more laps MORE fun)

The point i made is Ebikers tend to have more fun as they can complete more laps for longer, thus a longer time having fun.. hence MORE fun.

Sorry you cant understand what im saying and im sure this will make you reply but go hop on your steam/acoustic bike and have fun.
(for relative sake, i dont own an ebike anymore and i have to slog my way up these days.)
  • 1 7
flag Spencermon (Mar 7, 2023 at 15:47) (Below Threshold)
 @HeatedRotor: your words "Accept the fact others are having more fun than them" Its just not possible to quantify who is having more fun. you don't know me. I don't know you. For all I know you have fun riding a bmx bike on World Cup downhill trails. You can't assume that the person on an e-bike has more FUN than the person not on an e-bike. Now if you're trying to say (like in your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs) that distance traveled while pointed downhill = fun, thats just like your opinion man. Everyone rides for different reasons. All I want is to try to explain why you shouldn't lump everybody into the same category.
I ride basically all types of bikes (e-bike and not) and they are all quite a lot of fun.
  • 2 0
 @Spencermon: i think you're a bit lost in the context here - you're only reading and taking what you want from the posts.
  • 1 1
 @NZracer91: uh, thanks?
  • 22 1
 The worst thing about ebikes is that we call regural bikes "acoustic" now! I mean wtf guys?

Other than that let people ride what they want.
  • 4 0
 "Amish bikes". Thanks Backdoor
  • 47 29
 Just be honest with yourself and buy a Sur-Ron right away. You can do without the cranks for decoration.
  • 30 18
 Just be honest with yourself. Two different things and you know it.
  • 23 15
 Surron is a throttle dirt bike. Mountain bikes have a pedal assist. Not a direct line to power like a throttle on a motorcycle.
It’s like you haven’t actually ridden an e-bike. No wonder you’re complaining about problems that don’t exist
  • 19 11
 They are both bikes with motors so they are at least similar in that.
  • 23 12
 @Pinemtn: pedal assist is such a cute term when the power added to assist your pedaling is the equivalent of an olympian stuffed into your bottom bracket
  • 4 1
 @Bro-LanDog: Doesn’t seem so bad when you put it that way! A whole Olympian only puts out like 1-2 horsepower.
  • 12 4
 @shagolagal: doubling the power available with a motor doesn't not make it a motorbike, just a bad one. Just own it.
  • 10 9
 @jaame: yes but chopping off your weenie and replacing it with an open wound doesn’t make you a woman, but similar
  • 10 7
 @BermJunky: one’s an ebike - one’s a mountain bike - you know it
  • 4 5
 @cirque4: yea I do.
What does that have to do with the original comment? How’s your reading comprehension? Clouded by your anti e-bike anger? Lol.
  • 4 8
flag BermJunky (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @cirque4: let’s try this..a Suron is not a class 1 assist. Get it?
  • 2 2
 @Bro-LanDog: I would love to see bike companies start using that marketing with the different power outputs available. “This bike is like one Olympian in your bottom bracket “”this bike is like two Olympians in your bottom bracket.” “this bike is like three Olympians in your bottom bracket.”
  • 1 5
flag jha (Mar 4, 2023 at 21:11) (Below Threshold)
 @Pinemtn: surprised you’re not banned or canceled for the comment. This is pink-e bike now yaknow
  • 23 7
 The one that makes little you feel the most like us, the proper mountain bikers.
  • 16 17
 Yeah I think I saw some 'proper mountain bikers' at the bike park today. They seemed to spend an awful lot of time pushing to the top rather than actually riding.
  • 7 10
 @mcozzy: you sound like the kind of woman that had her mom drive her to school EVERY day.
  • 6 2
 @mcozzy: At my local woods they do a run then push back up even though its not steep or technical ride back up to the top ,then sit around for an hour talking bikes and bs smoke fags leave litter and then have a second run and call it a day . These are the proper hardcore MTB riders round my way
  • 3 0
 @IntoTheEverflow: Thats cigarettes not homosexuals hope this clears it up .
  • 23 11
 If people wanna buy them, let them. They aren't like those e-dirt bikes, which actually destroy trails. People got medical issues and can't ride normal bikes, causing them to invest in an E-bike. It gives more riding time too, which is always great.
  • 15 4
 It gives more than one hour riding time on a one hour ride? That IS always great.
  • 13 5
 Exactly. If you're gonna complain about e bikes destroying trails, then you should be heckling every overweight pedal bike rider, and all the xc bros pumping out 350 watt average too.
  • 2 0
 @Jvisscher: only on the new $27,000 Yeti TemporalDistortion model
  • 9 6
 What is stupid misconception that E bikes are for disabled people LMAO
  • 10 18
flag s100 (Mar 4, 2023 at 11:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Pinemtn: Because aside from marketing, only disabled people use them. Either physically, or perceived (mentally). (;
  • 9 4
 @Jvisscher: Incorrect. I own both E bike and mountain bike. I alternate between the two and rate them equally. I am also, IMO, not disabled nor in marketing. I am in/into enjoying myself on whatever mode of transport I see fit whether it be bikes, skate boards or a Clydesdale horse.

It's a every broad statement you've used. Could you please cite references/studies you've 'gleaned' this information from or is it just the auditory hallucinations in your mind? Or is it just a "look at the big brain on Brad" moment.
  • 3 2
 @Pylie1: i wouldn't bother you can't reason with karens
  • 4 0
 @Jvisscher: no offense intended but.....how are you 42Yrs old and make the smiley face that way? LOL
  • 2 1
 @Mtbdialed: I just suck at social media. All the cool kids got an A in that class and apparently I failed. But we have examples of at least two others here who missed the sarcasm entirely. So I'm in good company!
  • 1 0
 @Jvisscher: Sarcasm: the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
no mocking going on as there's no humour in the statement you made, just contempt for anyone you perceive as disabled.
It may have been meant differently but it didn't come across that way so my apologies for calling you a karen, especially since i was being contemptuous.
ok i gotta try it now Smile
  • 14 2
 Whichever one is first to market with an integrated gearbox. E-bikes are extremely hard on derailleurs. Most full power E-bikes would only need 5-6 speeds anyway with all the torque they make.
  • 5 0
 CVT with a track chain. That's what will convince me to purchase one.
  • 11 0
 I'll never get why everyone is so obsessed with other people fitness. It's extremely frustrating when an ebike flys past you on a climb but this holier than thou attitude on every ebike article is worse.
  • 5 1
 Why is it frustrating when an ebike passes you on a climb? Or anyone on anything for that matter?
  • 3 1
 It's deeper than that for most anti-moped people. It's about identity.

Mountain biking has strong culture to it, like any specialty sport. People find comfort in understanding themselves through their identity as a mountain biker, surrounded by familiar people, stories, places, etc.

Then e-bike people come along and co-opt that identity for themselves - in some cases, without any appreciation for the history, the traditions, and sometimes without the concern for the future viability.

It's the cycling equivalent of "the illegals are comin' for yer jobs". That's why it gets so political and hostile.
  • 3 0
 @hotpotato: incorrect. Most ebikers I know have normal bikes which they've ridden for many, many years. They are well and truly a part of the history, and fully understand the sport. Holidays abroad, summers spent at your local spot, long, tiring days out in the hills etc etc. The ebike just allows for more of that. Personally for me, life took over and things became rather busy so, when I do ride, I want to fit as much in as possible. The 'e' allows me to do just that - cover more than double the distance and descending. I arrive home shattered with legs and arms aching the next day. Weekends away - no longer restricted to shuttles to maximise riding; turning up at places like Golfie, Innerleithen, after hours of driving, you're able to make the most of your limited time there and squeeze so much in.
  • 1 1
 @Schbeemb: Cute small country anecdote. For every e-biker you have in England who's already core, America has 10 who only moonlight as mountain bikers and would NEVER be caught riding trails without a motorcycle underneath them.
  • 2 0
 @hotpotato: perhaps you do have more of that in the US. The vast majority of ebikers here have multiple bikes and have ridden for years. If your trails truly are being ruined by 'all the gear and no idea' types then I definitely see your point.
  • 1 0
 @Schbeemb: It's probably just as much about the volatility of our public use lands. Combine the two factors together and it's a disaster waiting to happen, unfortunately.
  • 42 33
 I will never buy an E-bike (motorized bike). I will take of hiking if my physical fitness becomes so low that I need a motor to continue riding. Until then, I will continue riding/training to ensure I can ride as long as possible. I am currently 50 years old and riding 160-170 miles per week.
  • 18 9
 nice flex.
  • 15 4
 I too am unique.
  • 17 4
 I like that you think so low of hiking that it's for old, out of shape people. Unless your "hike" is walking across your neighbourhood greenspace to the local coffee establishment.

Also, "never" is a pretty final word. Your mileage is nice, but here's to you never getting injured, getting a disease, needing a hip replacement, wanting one final attempt at a trail you can no longer do, going on a cycling vacation with limited time...whatever. I hope things never change for you...
  • 6 0
 A good bike ride and good hike makes for an awesome day.
  • 10 1
 My main concern with ebikes is their lifespan. On a regular MTB we're pretty sure we'll be able to get parts (albeit restricted possibly) many years down the road despite standards changing. On the ebike side, how long is a particular motor form factor going to be maintained or supported? Or even the custom in frame batteries? Do bike companies promise X years of replacement or support up front? (As you can see I don't own one ATM) Some batteries can be removed from the frames (are the frames strong enough to still be used without a battery structure?) But if the motor or battery is dead in 5yrs and I can't find a replacement (that uses the exact same mounting system) then the frame is possibly junk. There's no way to replace the engine space with a bolt in standard BB structure to at least get a non electrified version of the frame to a functional state. So although I think they're quite interesting (I'm in my 50s), I feel some work needs to be done to ensure they have a decent lifespan.
  • 3 0
 I hear you. As a guy waiting for his new (and first) emtb to arrive, I too have reservations. I’ve waited a few years for tech to improve and to decide that I accept their existence in the first place.
About the motor; AFAIK even “permanent” batteries can be removed. Just perhaps not conveniently. My new eeb has a permanent. We’ll see how it goes!
  • 2 0
 Apologies for misreading one of your comments. Ignore my battery comment. I’m with ya now!
  • 12 5
 One where the motor doesn’t rattle louder than any chain ever did! Or one where the motor is sealed properly and doesn’t rust from the inside causing multiple failed bearings just outside the crappy 2 year warranty. I like e-bikes but the tech is still no where near where it should be for the money they cost. As well as the error codes which are unrepairable. If this happens outside your warranty you better have a couple of grand to pay for the parts required.
  • 11 13
 Owned an sworks levo SL and it none of these issues. Literally the best bike I’ve ever ridden by a long shot. I also just ordered another regular bike too :-)
  • 5 5
 @Pinemtn: Rented/rode an Sworks levy from Specialized here in Squamish. Broke two things on it within hours/50km. Blew the X2(understandable), then the motor.

I rode half nelson three times. Once on an ebike. once on a tow strap being pulled by my wife on her bike. once on my enduro.

HR/effort from my Garmin HR monitor told me I did effort of 25, 250/300. Max 120/191/180.

I used to argue that I could pedal just as hard on an bike and get just as much exercise but cover more ground. My heart tells me otherwise.
  • 9 19
flag mcozzy (Mar 4, 2023 at 10:12) (Below Threshold)
 My 2020 kenevo is running fine still after 3 years. If It breaks out of warranty I'll pay to have it fixed. A small price to pay for not having to pedal a motorless bicycle ever again.
  • 10 1
 You should buy an E-Cargo bike in 2023. The are awesome. Recreational E-mountain bikes are not my thing but no one asked so I'll see myself out now...
  • 7 1
 E-bikes are here to stay, and I don't see them sullying the "pure" sport of non-electric MTB'ing.

They're handy for towing kids up mountains, or for conserving energy for more laps, or for entry into the sport (injuries, disabilities etc).

The opposition comes across as petty.
  • 5 0
 A lightweight ebike with the TQ or Fazua motors. But right now there are not enough bike companies building them with those motors and the ones on the market are expensive. I bet there will be a ton more and pricing will be more competitive. I think the lightweight ebike market is a bigger market than the heavier ones.
  • 5 0
 Humans as a race will always seek to make “things” easier, and there are many examples that show this to be a good thing.

E-bikes offer huge benefits - whether that’s recovery, age, disability, commute or fun based. However as a species we are getting fat.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-64831848

As a survey… how many e-bikers are over weight vs. those who don’t ride e-bikes.
  • 2 0
 I think there are plenty of fat people you could spend your time worrying about that don’t ride bikes, but I’m not one to tell people what to worry about. If your best worry time is spent on a few fat e bikers then have at it!
  • 5 5
 @txcx166: missing my point. Humans look to make everything easier, and always argue why that’s a good thing. However we are getting lethargic. We are getting fatter. That impacts health.

Enjoy biking in all its forms. But E-bikes don’t give the same cardio workout. A lot of the E bikers I see… fat. No point sugar coating it. They’re not commuting. They don’t look like they have a disability, or recovering from injury. They do look like they are having fun. But they’re not getting the workout they think they are. Yup their heart rate might be jacked. Bloody pressure too. But that’s mainly down to their weight/underlying health.
  • 2 0
 @aegwareth: i reckon any exercise is better than non at all.
  • 5 0
 The fact that this so-called article or post about e-bikes does not offend me. It's the fact that it's just pure fluff and cheese. Much like Bicycling Magazine or Outside Magazine. It's just so generic and dumbed down. But I guess that is for the masses? Who am I to judge?
  • 6 0
 Why is there a mid if there is no low? Usually when there are only two choices it's high and low, not high and mid, nor mid and low.
  • 5 0
 marketing, most will want all the power but who would want a 'low' power, sounds like its engine light came on and your in limp home mode lol
  • 2 0
 have you seen flip chip positions labeled 'low' and 'lower'? they're out there for real lol
  • 1 0
 @iiman: but that's an option where low sounds good, for power, more is always best...
  • 1 0
 @bat-fastard: I was talking about right here in this article. No one is marketing as full and "mid": The mid examples given here are listed on their own sites as "lightweight".
  • 1 2
 @justinfoil: Its a common term industry wide that everyone uses, full power ebike, or mid power lightweight ebike. Some marketing guy started it at some point as the next new thing. Me i've got a frankEn bike according to my mates on full power ebikes that I lap...
  • 2 0
 The Low powered Ebike is the one with a built in Battery for your wireless dropper, shifting, navigation and others. It lacks a motor to help you on the climbs.
  • 1 0
 @bat-fastard: the only "mid" on the pages of all the examples in this article is one instance of "mid-mounted motor".Yet they all contain "lightweight"... and/or some flavor of "just enough power".
  • 8 1
 I have a regular, non-motorized mountain bike. Despite that, my battery still runs out mid-ride sometimes.
  • 7 0
 Isn’t the main thing to consider when buying an ebike how long the warranty is?
  • 5 1
 I'll take the most powerful one, and bolt a wheelbarrow bucket to a child bike trailer and carry my chainsaw, shovels, log tools, diesel for my excavator, lunch, water, PPE.

The people complaining about having to "earn your turns" have never touched a shovel in their life. go back to your shitty XC trails. We have been on DH bikes way longer than your dinky little trail/enduro bikes have existed.
  • 4 0
 60 next year, and bought one few months ago, game changer for me ,the passion for biking and my skill level are on the up once more. I still ride a non assist but the e bike brings a bigger smile to my face. Used to hate them, not anymore though.
  • 9 2
 The one with the most power and the biggest battery.
  • 6 1
 The question is not what to buy but how to finance it!
1. Second Job
2. Life of crime
3. Sell organ/s
4. Refinance house
5. Go to dental school
  • 10 4
 Here's the deal, if you don't want an ebike. Don't comment here. Don't be an unhelpful turd.
  • 6 1
 As a dad with very limited time and a reasonable drive to get to the trails, an ebike has been perfect to allow me to continue to enjoy mtb. Haters gonna hate.
  • 7 0
 Hell of a lot of brokies in the comments here
  • 8 0
 E bikes are fun.
  • 5 0
 If your LBS isn't selling ebikes, they won't last long. THat is were the growth is. What medium to big brand is not selling one?
  • 5 0
 Got an MTB and a eMTB. Love em both. Been riding since 1989 as well. Love the e-hater comments...funny I have never heard a comment in person when I am on the E.
  • 16 13
 I used to be anti and then I grew up, unlike most of the non working brahs who are commenting. Then again icing my knees daily and hobbling around at times, helped me see the light.
  • 7 2
 I want a pedal assist bike that functions just like an e-bike, but has a gas motor and sounds like a ktm.
  • 3 1
 One of my favorite things about eMTBs is that sellers are posting how many miles they have on the mtb when selling so you can very quickly calculate the cost/mile and laugh at them.

You buy a eMTB for 10k, post it on on marketplace for 6k, with 500 miles that’s $8/mile.

Yikes
  • 4 0
 I enjoy "having the power of an Olympian" in my bottom bracket, mainly because I am not an Olympian and think its cool I can ride as fast as one.
  • 2 0
 In terms of riding logistics, if I ride a regular mountain bike and my friends buy these high powered emtb, will I arrive at the top of the climb to find that they ditched me? .....or will they tough it out with the mosquitoes?
  • 11 6
 I don't know if I've seen an article with only pictures of ugly bikes
  • 1 0
 Not into the pregnant look eh?
  • 6 2
 I have two... road..light....mtb..full power. Buyed used, right price. I'm statisfied.
  • 4 2
 Wait until you you have to use the warranty.
  • 2 0
 @watchmen:

No problem with my shop also at the end of warranty.
  • 1 0
 @barbasma: They will replace 600eu motors for free? Nice!!
  • 1 0
 I ride a Trek Rail to ride after gym sessions where I would not be able to ride even on flat on my Trek Slash. I dont say I usually use like 40% of the battery in Rail, so Fuel EXe would be a better fit. Yet there are few times where I do laps in a local trail location and I use the battery to the full. I can feel those 22kgs tho...
  • 3 0
 solid article Mike! I really appreciate that you guys are continuing to post articles like this. I love the content and love the continued coverage of EMTBs
  • 1 0
 You all are just jealous that fat and lazy person has as much fun as you are everywhere except descends ( cuz everyone has fun on descends unless you are a f*cking roadie Big Grin ) and after having that load of fun goes to eat a fat, greasy burger with no consequences except to his\hers life expectancy.
  • 1 0
 The New Levo Geometry is very fun. The mullet really lets your throw the rear wheel around steep technical terrain. Also the bike handles jumps pretty comfortably. I set mine up in the slackest option and love the way it rides. Also the new Levo design makes for a more comfortable climb from the previous model. Even with a dead battery it actually climbs pretty well. Sometimes for extra excecise I will do 2,500 climbs wtih it in the Off Mode.
  • 1 0
 i v had 4...all plagued with motor issues. i like them, but i cant just have an ebike, and if i did, id of missed out on alot of riding. 1st bosch gen 4 motor lasted 800 miles, the wifes bosch gen4 motor last 480 miles, my ep8 RS spindle snapped in 50 miles and then waited 5 months for a replacement, my latest bike with an EP8 lasted 800 miles, sent back, new motor in a month, and 7 miles later, motor gone again. ill likely sell this and just wait a few years unil theyre more reliable, because for me now, theyre just stressful to own.
  • 1 0
 Cmon change resistance is a bad thing, the same happened with the wheel size 26ers attacking 29ers, rationalize your fears, you want a good workout? well try to pedal your emtb with the motor off or in eco mode, the reason behind emtbs is not to do the same riding as in your acoustic bike, the goal is to do two times the riding in the same time.
  • 4 2
 Is this an attempt at broadening the reach of PB beyond the hardened bro crowd or a cynical seo push to chase clicks (what ebike,what size bike,bike shop vs online).
  • 10 6
 Be better off buying a ktm exc 500 and having some change left over lol
  • 4 6
 I’ve got a 21 ktm 500excf and an sworks levo SL. Love them both. And a norco fluid :-)
  • 8 8
 I own both a Levo and Kenevo SL, and personally, I really think the whole lightweight thing is dumb. I have no problem flicking my 54 pound Levo around just as quickly as my 30 pound Spur. Bunny hops are the only thing that's noticeably more difficult, but I can still hop both e-bikes over any typical knee-high log. Comparing my two e-bikes though, forget the weight - The Levo handles like a Stumpy Evo - more lively and flickable - and the Kenevo SL handles like an Enduro - more stable and point-and-shoot. In my experience, geo and suspension setup have a far greater effect on handling than weight, but rider skills and technique above all.
  • 10 12
 lol your Kenevo handles nothing like an enduro bike and your Levo is even less like a Stump Jumper. Sorry dude but that is the hard truth. Enjoy them by all means but dont make stuff up to justify your choices. "i really think the whole lightweight thing is dumb" really? because absolutely nobody else thinks that.
  • 3 1
 @sailor74: heck no. It's so much more fun than them.
  • 4 0
 @sailor74: I had the current gen Enduro for 2 years and have had the Kenevo SL for the past year, and I can definitely say the KSL handles remarkably similar to the Enduro.
  • 3 1
 MegaWatt5000 username almost checks out
  • 8 0
 @sailor74: I own/owned all bikes the same bikes and can confirm @MegaMatt5000 's observation. Levo is surprisingly "poppier" than the KSL, regardless of the added weight. KSL is a mash machine that sticks to the ground, much like the enduro, just a little more stable and confidence inspiring.

He's not making things up, it's an opinion gained from experience. Have you seat time in any of the above mentioned bikes?
  • 4 3
 Share a video of bunny hopping a KSL over a typical knee high log please.
  • 6 0
 @sailor74 @jason3559: Sure, funny enough, I just filmed this quick clip on the Levo a couple days ago, after clearing all the branches off this fallen tree: www.youtube.com/shorts/9ihkKIEteL4

And here's another one of me flicking it around quickly: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7GKlG61Lg
  • 4 0
 @sailor74: written by someone who has never touched any of the bikes mentioned
  • 2 1
 Waiting on the pedal-less versions. I just want 950 watts of throttle.
  • 8 4
 NONE!!! Use your legs for what God gave them to you for!!!
  • 2 0
 Will probably get a conversion kit such as the CYC Photon and put it on an old bike. I can't justify the cost of many ebikes from the big manufacturers.
  • 3 0
 son has cyc stealth on his 2004 stinky, I've go one on my craftworks enr. Supper job, we use them to shuttle to top of jump trails, then turn off for way down. No uplifts where we live..
  • 2 2
 Would love an EEB for a quick shreddie but there is something dissatisfying about going down hill slower just to make the climb easier. I mean ... I pushed my trail bike up a gnarly trail this morning I just finished building and I pushed my DH bike up to the top of some big jumps (well, reasonable size, largest one is a 35ft gap) this afternoon.
If I had a digital I would have blasted some fire roads or looked for the gnarliest thing to climb and still had fun

It's a bike... Pick a bike and be a dick about every other bike, wheel size, head angle, seat angle and bar width.
  • 1 0
 I rented a Kenevo once and could stop laughing. It was a really enjoyable 3 hours. I'd buy one if I could justify it and lived near decent trails. Till then my SJ still feels like overkill and I want another steel hardtail.
  • 2 2
 i bought an Ebike, i changed of house too, now i am riding again right on my doorstep. ( no car driving , no Mc Do)
I have a crf 250 too and i ride one full tank and more a lot . i am 51 years old, perfect health , no sore bones or ligaments.
Ebike is the best toy i can really enjoy those days. Can t be bothered with Purists telling me a acoustic is the real deal. Lazy, boomer, or green save the world exemples . rock your own bike and get to your life, my new bike is a modern horse, and i thank the assistance and smiles for miles.
i never joined MTB for taking on that big climb and show anyone how fit and lean i am, or going 40 miles, Now i do it twice.
Turbo mode all the time. Don t mind to ride on my own too, Full power.
  • 2 2
 My friend got both his knees done. Has to ride a ebike now. Still has his non ebikes for when he doesn’t need his ebike. Thats who needs ebikes, people with physical disabilities and people that are old and weaker to ride in group rides still.

If your physically able and ride on mtb specific trails its lame. If you go out on cutblock/ enduro moto trails and explore farther and further than a mtb can, thats cool. If you use your ebike to get more laps in vs a shuttle truck. Its cool. You are not using your motor going down anyways.
  • 1 1
 It’s not necessarily the e-bikes that are at fault so to speak, it’s the scooter gangs that take over the uphills. I love how they motor down when they are behind you in a pack in their puffy jackets, pants, full face helmets and chest protectors, and try to scoot by like they are on normal bikes. Just roost by me like the knob you are please. I would prefer that soi can make fun of you and have a good laugh.
  • 2 2
 Isn't it time to realize that we should not be buying new bikes. The manufacturing of a new bike, and especially an e-MTB, is a small environmental disaster, and a MTB can easily last 10-15 years. Use the one you have and help save the planet! Or if you are new to the sport buy used.
  • 1 0
 I'm waiting till you can't tell by looking that it is plug 'n play. Like all other e'sters I am not wounded or too old, I just want to blow the damn doors off the spandex crowd.
  • 4 0
 If you like to have fun, you must have an Ebike ! Period!
  • 1 0
 Which e-bike would be best if the goal was to burn your house down and collect insurance money? I've had my neighbor's Rail 9.8 plugged in next to a propane tank and some oily rags for 3 night but so far nothing's happened.
  • 3 0
 Chevraleg's is a great manufacture and they are already connected to you.
  • 3 0
 The limit is 25kmh in Europe
  • 13 10
 Buy the one without the motor.
  • 46 44
 E-bikes are awesome! You whiny ‘acoustic’ riders can get bent.

Bring on the downvotes bitchez!
  • 21 2
 As a unicyclist, I can confirm acoustic riders are just pussies. There’s no excuse for multiple gears and an extra wheel.
  • 5 9
flag lbinegar (Mar 4, 2023 at 9:52) (Below Threshold)
 Exactly. They'll all be riding one at some point. HaHaHa
  • 14 4
 -1 for calling them acoustic bikes
  • 23 2
 There are Mountain bikes and e-bikes. Get that acoustic crap outta here.
  • 3 3
 @LaXcarp: They use to just call them guitars until electric guitars where invented and then they call non-electric guitars acoustic guitars to differentiate the two.
  • 1 2
 Mopeds are not bicycles.
  • 5 3
 I prefer the mid power bikes (levo sl) feels like a normal bike on descents but powers me up the hill for more runs all day
  • 2 0
 Decisions, decisions. If they’re as helpful as claimed. The right one will pick me.
  • 2 1
 I would by the emtb that get me from A to B without braking the bank. Hopefully meet a lot of xc keyboard warriors on the way.
  • 3 0
 This article should start with a **TRIGGER WARNING****
  • 3 0
 Pfft ebikes..... Anyone want to do some shuttle runs? lol
  • 1 0
 2021 I buy a yeti sb140 my mate buys a canyon e-bike uphill is a struggle to keep up but roles are still reversed coming down so I’m fine with e-bikes
  • 2 0
 Let’s face it Ebikes aren’t going anywhere if anything the mtb industry needs it to succeed
  • 3 0
 Easy. Big motor (Bosch preferably) with the most travel possible.
  • 3 0
 emtb is the best thing happens with mtb
  • 1 0
 For the EMTB haters, when you're out on the trail, wear a T-shirt that says Fuk emtb. I'mma hit you with a shovel, the same shovel that built the trails you're riding on.
  • 1 0
 Waiting for hybrid models to be developed where the more pedaling the more battery power you get when you need that last effort up a climb...
  • 2 2
 Yes but not the off the shelf ones, nice custom high pivot i-track mullet with more power/torque than you'll ever need in a pas. www.pinkbike.com/photo/21950322
  • 1 1
 First time I’ve been stopped in my tracks to consider an e-bike. Care to share any details about the motor/battery?

From what I understand you should be prepared to replace off the shelf ebike motors on the regular (and hope the OEM doesn’t make the motor/frame obsolete).

This option seems to be an effective counter to that.
  • 1 0
 Just read the note in the pic. CYC Stealth.
  • 1 0
 @jason3559: had it a year and half now, sons had his a year as got fed up towing him up climbs, we where passing normal ebikes with me towing him lol. only small battery 8ah 52v but its enough and on bigger days we swap bike as he uses lot less power than me. Fully tunable app is great so I'm only running it about 50%, hes half that..
  • 2 0
 Up-votes on first post says it all. Drops the mic
  • 5 2
 Absolutely NONE
  • 2 4
 It must be so hard to make rules that keep ebikes within an acceptable power output. I would love a light ebike because i don't get out often to maintain fitness, it would be great to commute on and I could ride it everywhere. Making a 170mm bike better all round, but i cant imagine the amount of extra wear and tear they put on trails. But a 50lbs monster with 90nm of torque is too close to a motorcycle for me to not worry about sharing trails with my wife and child as they learn
  • 2 3
 Yeah BUT,
Just for the sake of My Perspective…
If there were no anti e bike commenters the
Pro fake bike crowd would just sit around
keyboards and have kumbaya feels beteeen
Masabtorial watt counts.
  • 1 0
 The light ones look appealing for epic rides, or after work blasts I quests.
  • 1 0
 Don’t, wait three years until emtbs have lighter batteries.
The tech is still a bit young.
  • 2 0
 Omg no one cares all of you shut up
  • 2 1
 Since we are talking motors, i bought a Toyota GR Yaris on Friday -bet ebike on the planet.
  • 2 0
 Biggest battery and the Longest travel.
  • 2 0
 Norco Range in the first photo of this post Smile
  • 1 0
 @pbfan08: This right here. Totally underrated comment of the innerwebs today...
  • 2 1
 But i don't want to buy an E Bike, why are you suggesting is should buy one....? Hhhhmmmmm
  • 1 0
 You didnt add the extension of the possibilties .. the chinese ones that go 60kmh .. lol
  • 1 0
 @RealtorTechGuy: Even going downhill, you can reach max heart rate. How do you explain that?
  • 1 0
 I see a lot of similarities here. m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPZDEWBzneY
  • 1 0
 how do i turn filter on to block e-bike reviews and dumb queries like this article?
  • 1 0
 Can't wait for the fights to break out
  • 8 9
 In probably less than 5 years these will all look like such jokes. They'll all also probably not be functional anymore and will just be garbage at that point.
  • 2 1
 They already look like jokes. Bad jokes.
  • 4 6
 You should buy the one that provides the most exercise so you don't become obese diabetic hypertensive wear out your joints and go on disability because I can't support this country myself
  • 6 6
 If I buy a bike in 23 it will NOT be an E-bike.
I promised myself. I won’t buy one till I’m 70
  • 1 0
 Nothing until they have digital drive.
  • 6 7
 Honestly just curious how many antieeb commenters have actually ridden one. Like you rode it and you didn't like it or you just don't like the idea of them?
  • 3 2
 I think you mean which e bike I’m gonna buy off a crack head in 2022
  • 3 3
 Just buy a sur ron or e-moto… these limited e-bikes only exist because of arbitrary regulations. braaap.
  • 3 2
 A one without battery and motor...
  • 2 2
 I noticed surrons were missing from this article. They musf not pay Outside any money. If ur gonna ebike just get a surron
  • 2 1
 None. You should buy none.
  • 3 1
 Full power ftw
  • 1 0
 Just here for the Ebike argument commentsSmile
  • 2 1
 Don't. Get out and pedal, get some exercise, put down the twinkie.
  • 1 0
 Just avoid the Trek Rail. Absolute garbage.
  • 1 0
 "E-pinkers"........Yikes!
  • 1 0
 another reason to carry a shovel on the trail, beat down an emtb hater
  • 5 7
 none unless you really need the help - stupidly expensive and they will break after a couple of years. technology isn't where it needs to be.
  • 5 5
 I want one that makes a motorcycle sound
  • 1 0
 Braaap, braaap!
  • 2 3
 Posted on a Saturday morning so it avoids the worst of the weekday hate. Also, no.
  • 2 1
 Don’t
  • 5 0
 Unless u want more downs per hour.
  • 4 3
 What's an e-bike?
  • 3 3
 Do the bike trail maps show the charging stations?
  • 1 0
 Soon to be added to TrailFcks.
  • 1 0
 Phatmoto AT
  • 4 4
 Bropeds have a motor, so not bicycles.
  • 4 5
 If I was fat, out of shape and had little to no skills, I’d totally buy one!
  • 2 2
 One without a motor or battery!
  • 3 2
 What the fuck is this
  • 1 1
 gimme a shout out when they are $4,000.00
  • 4 4
 eMTB and Pickleball...the scourge of society.
  • 1 0
 Ebiking my ballz.
  • 15 16
 Motor vehicles..not allowed on most county , state, and wilderness areas.
  • 5 6
 no bikes whatsoever are allowed in wilderness and most county and state areas are fine with class 1's, plus there's little to no enforcement
  • 2 7
flag likeittacky (Mar 4, 2023 at 9:36) (Below Threshold)
 And hope it stays that way.
  • 1 3
 Many areas in states cannot disallow bc HIPPA laws.
  • 1 1
 Per rangers of Laguna beach.
  • 3 4
 Full power? My Triumph makes almost 100 hp. Good luck with that moped...
  • 3 3
 NONE
  • 6 7
 Nope.
  • 3 6
 Electric motor bikes disguised as mountain bikes like a fat person picking clothes to make them look healthy and fit.
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