Trust Performance Ceasing Operations Effective Immediately

Apr 3, 2020
by Mike Kazimer  
Trust Shout fork

Trust Performance has announced that all operations are being suspended, effective immediately, due to a lack of capital brought on in part by the economic situation caused by the coronavirus.

Trust Performance made their entrance into the mountain bike world in 2018 with the launch of the Message, a linkage fork that turned heads and sent commenters scurrying to their keyboards the moment it was revealed. The concept of a linkage fork wasn't new, but the Message's full carbon construction and wild looks set Trust apart from the crowd. There was also the fact that the company was founded by Dave Weagle, Jason Schiers, and Hap Seliga, industry veterans with decades of experience in developing and bringing innovative products to market.

The longer travel Shout fork was the follow up act, which launched in the fall of 2019. Trust finished off the year on a high note, and looked to be on track to continue the growth into 2020. Unfortunately, supply delays caused by shutdowns in China combined with a reduced demand due to an economic downturn created what Trust say was “a perfect storm” that led to the decision to cease operations. Current Trust owners will still be able to get their forks serviced by Suspension Syndicate in Salt Lake City, Utah, but otherwise this signals the end of Trust Performance's attempt to shake up the mountain bike suspension market.


Trust Performance Public Statement:

We started Trust Performance in 2015 with a vision of building products that bring spirited outdoor athletes more fun and camaraderie. Our core focus from the outset was on reimagining and re-defining suspension technology; at first in mountain bikes with other industries thereafter. As you might imagine, our plans hinged on raising multiple rounds of capital to fuel our ambitions for incredible design, engineering, manufacturing and customer/dealer support.

2019 was a breakthrough year for Trust. We surpassed 1,000 units sold, we saw steep growth in dealer and distributor sales, and we saw four of our best-ever sales months at the end of the year. We had great momentum based on key demand metrics, brand awareness, and community enthusiasm.

But 2020 brought a number of unexpected factors, starting with the shut-down of key parts of our Asian supply chain following Chinese New Year due to coronavirus. In February, demand slowed considerably as macro fears about the economy started to rise. Then, finally, severe negativity in the investment markets shut down our ability to gain access to capital. This was at a point where we needed increased liquidity to carry us through a critical moment in our business. It all added up to a perfect storm that slammed right into us.

As a result of the overwhelming effects of the coronavirus and evaporated capital markets, it's with incredible disappointment and a heavy heart that, effective immediately, Trust Performance is taking a pause and suspending operations until we address our capital needs. We are utterly and completely gutted. We have given every waking hour over the past few months to find a path forward, but to no avail. Trust Performance, like the rest of the world, will be a different company when life is back to normal.

For those who own a Trust fork and need service going forward, please contact Suspension Syndicate in Salt Lake City, Utah. They are trained and certified as a Trust Performance authorized service center.

We're grateful for the community of people who encouraged and supported our unique design and innovative technology. In stepping away, we wish everyone health and safety. These trying times are a great reminder to make the most of the moment with those you enjoy most.




934 Comments

  • 359 3
 That’s really too bad. They Took a risk and brought something new and unique to market. Obviously it wasn’t perfect, but it did seem really promising if they’d had time to go through a few more iterations of their design and dial it in.
  • 74 240
flag unrooted (Apr 2, 2020 at 11:31) (Below Threshold)
 It’s really too bad they can no longer get people to pay To do their R&D for them...
  • 68 3
 Agree. Might not have been perfect out of the gate, but was an awesome idea and well executed first run. Look forward to seeing these guys in the future once the economy gets going again.
  • 129 274
flag chasejj (Apr 2, 2020 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 I can't say I didn't see this coming. I would get their emails with continually more desperate pricing and promotions that escalated to a point where it was obvious nobody was buying these forks. Wujan Virus is killing industries all over the place so the weakest go first, others will follow.
  • 78 5
 This announcement really saddens me, hate to see such an enterprise go down.

While the current crisis was undoubtedly a sledgehammer for them, and I don't have any idea of their actual sales and margins figures, I was always skeptical of their long term sustainability.
Let me quote myself from the Trust Shout review in January:

"(...)Makes me sad to say this, but I think they're doomed. Second product release in a row and they're offering something that attempts to solve issues the average user barely notices, for double the price of the competition, with no OEM deals and plenty of subpar reviews. I really wanted to see some linkage fork to succeed.

Meanwhile, one buys a Marzocchi Z1 for €500 and gets top notch performance and parts support.

I also bet RS and Fox have plenty of cards up their sleeves to keep milking the telescopic fork cow for some years, like "light" DC forks, sliding bushes or maybe damper bypasses"

"price will become reasonable once a linkage fork makes it into a OEM deal. For that to happen they need to either have a clear overall performance advantage or to become en vogue enough. Neither is true as we speak, certainly not with Thrust(...)"
  • 23 66
flag chasejj (Apr 2, 2020 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Arierep: I totally agree. As an egghead ME and amateur suspension designer/fabricator from BITD I had drafted designs that were similar to the Trust and Motion e-ride forks. I cheer them on and was considering a purchase once I felt the performance and longevity was adequate. I owned an Original LawwillLeader fork but grew tired of the maintenance and poor shock. Oh well. The Structure whole bike concept may be the only way this takes off and honestly is the only true "optimal solution" and sensible packaging option.
  • 323 201
 @chasejj: Wujan Virus? Really?
f*ckin grow a pair you ignorant propaganda fed c*nt.
  • 149 373
flag chasejj (Apr 2, 2020 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 @timbud: Cuz its the Wujan Virus. What else would it be called? The Woke Limey Bastard Virus?
  • 78 25
 @timbud: ok, but please apply the same logic to everyone who mentions, let's say, the Spanish Flu, MERS or Ebola.
Thanks
  • 34 6
 @Arierep: There is also the Hong Kong Flu and Japanese Encephalitis... so many xenphobic diseases out there
  • 114 296
flag luckyguy19 (Apr 2, 2020 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 @timbud: It's the Chinese virus because it comes from C H I N A. F*uck anyone who says otherwise.
  • 144 99
 @timbud: I actually prefer to call it the Kung Flu anyway. I can always switch. Who's with me?
  • 9 27
flag timbud (Apr 2, 2020 at 12:27) (Below Threshold)
 @Arierep: I already do
  • 89 82
 @luckyguy19: just because your president sats that in his twatter does not make it true lol
  • 33 15
 @chasejj: Call it the Wu-Flu or we fight! Seriously though, lets not let one pissy person take away from the fact that people just had to out their livelihood and dreams on hold. Possibly indefinitely. Best of luck to the people at Trust.
  • 62 15
 @luckyguy19:
You can choose to call COVID-19 that, if you agree to refer to the 1918 "Spanish" flu as the 1918 Murica flu or 1918 Kansas flu.
  • 71 36
 @timbud: Are you saying the virus didn't originate in Wuhan? Where then?
  • 37 27
 @timbud: Wait, you don't think the virus originated in China?
  • 165 36
 @luckyguy19: yeah maybe it came from China but the Spanish flu originated in the USA and I don't see you pushing to change its name. Perhaps call it what the scientists who study this shit call it instead of what the racist pig in the Oval office calls it.
  • 3 1
 @luckyguy19:
Otherwise...i guess now I am F'ed
  • 55 11
 @luckyguy19: Sooo.. HIV is discovered in the States, right? I mean, you see where I'm going with this, right?
  • 9 9
 @unrooted: You have zero clue and are basically commenting like an asshat.
  • 6 23
flag unrooted (Apr 2, 2020 at 12:55) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: calm down lil guy.
  • 31 38
flag chriskneeland (Apr 2, 2020 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 @chasejj: Typical boomer ignorance. Probably still drops the N word.
  • 12 3
 @pakleni:
John Tomac and The Tiger King are products of the U.S. so I don't know what to think about anything now. LOL


www.imdb.com/title/tt11823076
  • 39 121
flag luckyguy19 (Apr 2, 2020 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 @lifeofloon: Trump 2020
  • 33 11
 @chasejj: Kung Flu: Begins with Shaolin sharts, followed by intense sneezing which causes you to fly backwards across a room-aka the Bruce sneeze, culminating is assuming a crouching tiger postion while you double dragon on the toilet.
  • 84 48
 My proposal is Wubat flu. I don’t know how liberal social justice lunatic one has to be to not understand that Considering pre 19th century third world eating habits, the only shocking thing about Covid 19 is that it didn’t happen earlier and a few more times. Yes people in many parts of China (and in many parts of Asia) eat untested animals in a way violating most Western health and hygiene standards AND! to the shock and outrage of SJWs ,we Westeners have nothing to do with it! We didn’t oppress them so that they need to eat pigeons and dogs caught on the street! They are simply undeveloped countries and we are all paying the price of not funding them to out end to this madness, AND! We don’t put enough cash into disease research because we invest in drugs that make us feel better about ourselves! Becuse we are depressed! Sad! We cannot find meaning! And all other bullshit. We are Almost literally told that depression is something to have! Like gluten intolerance. Tell me about your feelings. Meanwhile we don’t stockpile anything. US spends zillions on a fleet of Nuclear carriers To keep Russia and China away but they just have been virtually attacked by China in an extremely impressive biological strike and They get help from Russia. Brilliant! Bravo! Brilliant!
  • 101 25
 @lifeofloon: Indeed. Origins aside, I'm sure 1918 was full of it's own prejudices in all walks of life, immigrants included. However, as a society, and as a President (or Prime Minister), we should have come a long way. Long enough to know that knowing your audience and inciting potential hate action based on ethnicity shouldn't be happening.

Me, with a Chinese wife, and Americans, with Chinese citizens, should be concerned when the careless words of leadership can be implicated in the stabbing of two Chinese children because the offender thought they were spreading the virus. No one can say that American leadership's choice to use "Chinese virus" was a factor in this incident, but it sure didn't help. And won't help as more reports of these kinds of "hate" crimes come in.

Those who spin "technicalities" ("technically it comes from China") aren't helping and are simply wilfully ignorant on how to be a better human being. "Covid-19" is more than sufficient to describe this virus, and...for @luckyguy19 ...saying things like "It's the Chinese virus because it comes from C H I N A. F*uck anyone who says otherwise.", you do a disservice to everyone, including yourself.
  • 30 5
 @Arierep: the Spanish Flu started in the US. The US and other countries in WWI didn’t want to release the number of deaths from the virus because they were afraid it would hurt the war effort/morale. Spain wasn’t in WWI and freely published stats so it became known as the Spanish Flu not because of where it originated but where the most deaths occurred or at least seemed to have occurred.

Also, there’s recently been some doubt about the original assumption of how Covid19 spread to Italy. It was originally thought that a Chinese tourist visiting northern Italy passed it on in December or early January, but doctors in Lombardi were reporting a strange and agressive pneumonia in November.
  • 59 32
 I doesn't matter if it came from China, more importantly it came from animal to human transmission. Cut the xenophobic bullshit.
  • 17 4
 @pakleni: FYI, HIV was discovered in the Congo.
  • 49 30
 @iammarkstewart: you are only making it worse. Saying “it’s another Chinese Virus” is not a call to stab Chinese babies or burn their parents alive, even if some morons may interpret it that way. It’s still this little percentage of a*sholes in the society and while one may worry that they may inspire more acts of racism, I assure you that sticking a finger up your bum and trying to not call it for what it is, Inspires more consent and consequently violence. Because saying it’s not a virus from China and getting into some petty semantics is bullshit. Don’t feed people with bullshit. You are only Giving weapons to actual racists.
  • 17 5
 Ive been away from this site for 3-1/2 yrs... still the same old shit talkin. Ffs lol.
  • 1 6
flag RoadStain (Apr 2, 2020 at 13:34) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: Reminds me about that hooker with dysentery....

www.dailymotion.com/video/x4c97az
  • 14 12
 @unrooted: no idea why you got neg repped. Since when was honesty muted? That's something I hate about Pinkbike. Perfectly normal comments can be ushered off to invisible....even though they aren't vulgar or offensive or slander. Really wish they'd change the stupid shaming tool they've created.
  • 24 7
 @Earthmotherfu: pink bike is 4chan for people who suck at video games...
  • 46 18
 @man-wolf: it came from China where people eat untested animals - there’s nothing xenophobic about it. The most xenophobic thing I hear about China is coming from some woke a*sholes in nutrition social misledia saying that Chinese people are super healthy cuz they don’t eat meat, they eat Tofu and other forms of plant based diet. My ass...
  • 19 4
 @man-wolf: QUIT EATING SHIT WE SHOULDNT EAT
  • 32 4
 @luckyguy19: You came from your mom's vagina, but I am assuming that isn't part of your name . . . . right?
  • 23 23
 @WAKIdesigns: There's plenty xenophobic about it when you can't decouple geography from stabbing people from that geography. Also, I'm not feeding bullshit to people. I simply pointing out that you can use your mind to think of better words to not alienate people, and/or to use the word already in place via science. You're on a full spin cycle here.
  • 59 49
 @iammarkstewart: The sooner American's realize that China is not our friend or our ally, the better off we'll be as a country. American companies have sold the soul of our country to the Chinese. We have all enjoyed the cheap products, but at what cost? China lied to the world and continues to do so. Calling it the China virus is not a knock to Chinese Americans. Its to make people realize that the pain and agony our country is going through started somewhere and to some extent was avoidable. The loss of life, the loss of companies, the loss of stability is directly the fault of the communist regime in China. So I shall call it the China Virus because I want people to stop and think for a second. Too many SJWs are more worried about hurt feelings than the country that gives them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
  • 28 11
 @iammarkstewart: Nuts are nuts. Be real, what you call the virus isn't going to change anything., doesn't make you a better human being. There are plenty of insanely PC people who use all the right words and are shitty people. Just as their are really politically incorrect people that will give someone in need the shirt of their backs.

Heck we just had some nut job train engineer try to take out the Navy Hospital Ship.

Say what you want, but China's constant secrecy is what causes these issue and backlash. If they weren't so worried about the rep they might have realized what was happening much sooner. China really isn't doing much to help dispel the distrust that is legitimate for the country.

Good read:
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab
  • 31 19
 @iammarkstewart: well ironically (and sadly) you are then an example of someone who cannot decouple it. So you only fuel those who actually are stabbing people, you make them shout louder. What do you think happens when someone says: Toyota Prius is so good for the planet? You get both more people buying one but also folks buying V12 diesel trucks and make-dark clouds as a fk you! Because we all know it’s not true! When you fk with the truth, no matter how virtuous the cause, you enrage people. You make them cynical, passive. And you make the real a*sholes even more riled up. You only get a few voices of sympathy from SJW lunatic camp. Who are also a-holes!
  • 7 0
 I hope Mike Levy has one lying around in his garage to put on the Grim Donut.
  • 30 25
 @timbud: it is the Wuhan Virus, China Virus, Kung Flu.....have the Chinese online propaganda army infiltrated pinkbike too? hopefully one fatality of the CHINESE WUHAN KUNG FLU is woke culture.
  • 10 2
 I know they list other factors, but I think they saw the writing on the wall. Even if they did just have their four best months, I bet it still wasn't enough to turn a profit in the foreseeable future. On top of that, everyone I've talked to said high-end bike sales barely dropped during the financial crisis. Rich people will always be rich.
  • 30 8
 @luckyguy19: actually it sounds like you should blame the economic system, governmental policies, globalization, international supply chains, and individual companies that “sold the sole of our country” more so than the “communist regime in China.” Following your logic “the pain and agony our country is going through” started with the actions of American companies which were operating in an economic system in which it was more profitable to outsource jobs to a foreign country than to keep them or create them in the US and government that allowed them to leave. Never mind that something like 80% of job loss is due to technological innovation and not outsourcing, but whatever.
  • 16 3
 Let’s ask Dick Pound.
  • 7 11
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 2, 2020 at 14:02) (Below Threshold)
 @luckyguy19: Please, asan American don’t teach Chinese about healthy diet... more people will die of obesity and energy heavy inefficient agriculture And industry sustaining And promoting those Horrific eating habits than of Covid19... fat food may not ruin the economy as well as Covid but it Does kill more people.

Most of Western health care is fckd because we didn’t prepare for such situation even though we knew there are things out there after Sars and quite recently Mers fk ups. We don’t stockpile anything because it’s not viable financially. Same with researching Cures for diseases. It’s not like one cannot go to awet market and test These animals for Whatever they have.
  • 11 10
 @pnwille: The pain and agony I was referring to is specifically related to the communist actions in regards to the China Virus.
  • 1 1
 @unrooted: worked for sram.
  • 9 3
 @pnwille: I keep seeing stats like that through around, if the jobs are lost to technological innovation and not outsourcing then why are there 200k worker factories in China?
  • 9 12
 @Mattntp: Chinese mafia infiltrated Pinkbike - yeah... as if “Russians hacked the election” wasn’t enough food for little brains. Stupid people chose stupid man because they thought it makes any difference over a stupid woman. That’s it! People are stupid. The sad truth. Most of us, me included are idiots! A story of a mastermind plan happening behind the scenes is nothing more but a wat to feel great about yourself for being stupid.
  • 6 6
 @luckyguy19: ok, but what actions were those? This thing spread because of people travelling around and being in contact with one another. If you say China didn’t act fast enough or more sinisterly that they purposely lied about the severity of it and how many people dises maybe I’d buy it, but that doesn’t really change anything. It didn’t spread because of anything the Chinese did purposefully. Other countries knew about the on going situation and some acted faster than others. The US didn’t act very fast, France kind of, but South Korea and Germany for example did. But still, I don’t think we can blame China for the way our supply chains are set up.
  • 29 20
 @luckyguy19: You know why we don't call it the Chinese virus? I do. I have a friend of Chinese descent. Since all this started he's been gets spat at, yelled at, had his life threatened for just going about his business. Whatever your opinions on the Chinese government, its nothing to do with him, he's a UK citizen. Yet he gets all the abuse.

Why? because people like you are stirring up hate.
  • 20 16
 @pnwille: I'm saying China did lie about when they discovered the problem. China tried to cover it up. China continues to lie about the severity of the problem in their country. If China had let the world know about the problem as soon as they discovered it, travel restrictions could have been put into place much sooner. I do not think you would see as many casualties. Realalisticly we have no idea how this virus has impacted China, none of their data is accurate.

Sending manufacturing jobs to China is our own fault. Now we're paying the price.
  • 5 2
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: I’m not sure but I’d guess there are a couple of things at play.
1) outsourcing would be for example somebody in China doing the exact same job as somebody in the US but for cheaper, so they’re hired. I’m not sure it would count as outsourcing if because of technological innovations a company in China was more competitive and because of these same innovations the workers were actually doing different tasks.

2) there have been some industries that have really developed in China and were, as far as I know, never in the US. Mobile phones might be an example of such an industry. Hypothetically there would be a decrease in demand for some US produced home phone. These mobile phone producing factories are jobs that were never in the US but they still managed to result in a decline of US jobs. Again just a hypothetical.

I can’t remember where I read that 80%ish figure
  • 21 7
 @LarusFuscus: @WAKIdesigns: @luckyguy19 Chinese are probably the biggest meat eaters in the world, but also eat a lot of vegetables and fruits. They are likely healthier in general because they are not obese and are very active. Personally, I don't have a problem with calling it the Chinese Virus, Wuhan Virus, or even Kung Flu. Nor do I think those names are causing people to hate on Chinese. They likely hated Chinese before or just extremely stupid people and are just some bad apples. Overwhelming majority do not hate on Chinese.

The Chinese government have not handled the situation well to say the least. They tried to cover it up, arrested people for trying to make it public, and are likely suppressing the numbers of infected and deaths. Disclaimer: I'm Chinese-American.
  • 12 11
 The origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is unknown at this time. It was clinically observed for the first time in Wuhan, China. HIV was first clinically observed in the USA, although it first passed to humans 60 years prior in the Congo. This is why the WHO finds it unecessary to stigmatize a region because they had the medical and lab facilities to clinically observed a virus for the first time (and who would ever do so in the future?)
  • 4 6
 @luckyguy19: ok, I see what you’re saying. I don’t know enough about who knew what when and if the Chinese government lied. I do know though that even early on there were doubts raised by some on the numbers coming out of China. I’m not sure it would have changed the response in most countries.
  • 29 7
 @WAKIdesigns: Yea no American's should be lecturing about any other countries eating habits. We are a fat and obese population as a whole who are literally destroying the planet to farm food that will ultimately kill us.
  • 7 12
flag SintraFreeride (Apr 2, 2020 at 14:48) (Below Threshold)
 @man-wolf: Humans are animals so what you meant to say was it came from non human animal or animal to animal transmission. Saying humans and animals is like saying humans and women...one is a subset of the other.
  • 8 9
 @timbud: huh..
ok call it china virus. viruses are usalually referenced by where they orginated, right?
  • 4 6
 @luckyguy19: I just did a quick search on how many cases and deaths there are in the US because I think we can agree that the data is reliable. According to worldmeter.com as of April 2nd there are 240,511 cases and 5,810 deaths in the US which equals a 2.4% death rate. If I remember correctly the early numbers on death rate coming out of China were 2-3%. Maybe their actual death rate is higher, I don’t know, but it seems to match the US numbers so far
  • 6 9
 @jrocksdh: Technically, we don't know where it originated from. It likely has been transmitted from animal to animal for a lifetime, and only now made the transition to humans. No sense in making it racist.
  • 6 9
 @pnwille: I don't know that China is or has ever tested at the rate of U.S. Also the test kits China sold to other countries have proved to be very unreliable. So how can their data be reliable?
  • 13 5
 @chriskneeland @Rubberelli: It is not making it racist. It just saying that it originated in China. Extremely likely with overwhelming odds that COVID19 and several other viruses originated in China because of wet markets. Chinese just tend to eat exotic animals with viruses that humans are have not been exposed which can cause severe diseases. Again: I'm Chinese-American. I know my people well.
  • 2 5
 @Pedro404: Rabbit hole goes deep, look for yourself ...
Stay well everyone.
  • 5 2
 @greg390: Wow, thanks, Neo. That was super helpful.
  • 7 5
 @tacklingdummy: Coronaviruses have existed for millenna and mutate in hosts over generations. Where, and how long ago this specific strain mutated noone knows.
  • 4 3
 @pnwille: it sure seems odd to me that anyone has any faith in any numbers when there are so few tests available...and those tests are unreliable at best...
  • 5 4
 @chriskneeland: True, but majority of coronaviruses are unlikely to make the jump to humans unless there is close contact with those exotic animals which are carriers. How often do people come into close contact handling or eating bats or pangolins or any exotic animals? Chinese government needs to make policies to prevent these kind of outbreaks. I have been to China many times, wet markets everywhere with no guidelines on safety and cleanliness. Majority of the outbreaks have originated in China.
  • 7 12
flag LarusFuscus (Apr 2, 2020 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)
 @pnwille: China has a very aggressive testing policy already in place from previous viral outbreaks in the country like SARS. China has 'fever clinics' where anyone with cold/flu symptoms can walk in and be tested for all the serious contagious diseases there and then. Now in the west, generally only seriously ill people are tested. As seriously ill people are more likely to die, it raises western mortality rates above the true rates.

Despite dropping the ball initially, China's response has been exceptional, as can be seen when comparing their death toll with ours.

Source: www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30071-0/fulltext20
And: www.businessinsider.com/chinas-coronavirus-quarantines-other-countries-arent-ready-2020-3?r=US&IR=T#coronavirus-testing-was-easily-accessible-and-free-1
  • 19 9
 @chriskneeland: it’s not racist. It’s geographic. China is a place.
  • 9 5
 @LarusFuscus: However, China is likely suppressing their infected numbers and death rates because they don't want it to hurt their economy and makes sure other countries keep dumping money into outsourcing there. They are going to do everything to make it seem like it is safe there. Majority of Chinese citizens don't trust the Chinese government on handling of the coronavirus. Also, the death toll numbers could be likely to the health of the population more than the medical treatment as there is no known vaccines or treatments right now.

www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3049589/coronavirus-threatens-chinese-communist-partys-grip-power

www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078120/china-rejects-claims-inaccurate-coronavirus-death-tally-wuhan
  • 13 5
 @LarusFuscus: You cannot trust any data that comes out of China, which of course is part of the problem.
www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html
  • 2 3
 @SintraFreeride: Thank you French guy for the English lesson, but this is how it is commonly referred to.
  • 2 3
 @LarusFuscus: thanks for the links, I’ll take a look at them.
  • 2 4
 @blowmyfuse: Huh? Some of the crap I say is there.....and there....and there...and I KNOW I am full of shit (this is the internet, right?)
  • 2 4
 @Mattntp: Sir, that is "prace".
  • 8 2
 I wonder when this idiot parade will return to commenting on the article at hand?

It is too bad to see trust go. really interesting concept. But that price...
  • 4 0
 @Planetx888: Hopefully they can come back even stronger when this is all over with. I was looking forward to seeing the design advance.
  • 6 7
 @tacklingdummy: I agree, they probably are under reporting their mortality rate. However, their reported mortality rate is currently less than 10 people a day. Coronavirus is highly infectious, and spreads exponentially. If they did not have it under control there would be bodies piled high in the streets by now.

Have a look the USA's reported figures, scroll down to the total deaths chart.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
Pretty steep increase right? that's the cost of inaction.

Now look at China's reported figures,
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china
If they were straight up lying, 3% of China's population would be dead by now - people would notice something like that.
  • 2 0
 Cue the funeral song “Taps”
youtu.be/WChTqYlDjtI
  • 5 2
 @luckyguy19: we've tested less per capita then Italy China or South Korea.

Don't be simple.
  • 5 7
 @tacklingdummy: What makes you think these diseases are only carried by "exotic" animals? Something like this can just as easily originate in here in the US or anywhere else through "regular" animals like poultry (bird flu) or pigs (swine flu). And to talk about safety and cleanliness, have you ever seen what the factory farms, livestock auctions, and slaughter houses look like in our own country?
  • 2 5
 @sino428: sure, humans by and large do not live in the pens too...unlike China.
  • 7 3
 @chriskneeland: we do know that China tried to cover it up...why? Where's the doctor whom we now all know was the one whom told the free world about a new sars case in wuhan?
She's missing...
  • 13 17
flag chriskneeland (Apr 2, 2020 at 16:33) (Below Threshold)
 @jrocksdh: Last I checked it's global. Seems kind of irrelevant to name it after one location. Unless you have a racist agenda.
  • 13 24
flag SLBIKES (Apr 2, 2020 at 16:37) (Below Threshold)
 @lifeofloon: CNN calls it Chinese virus everyday you moron, your libtard hate for Trump makes you into an idiot. What a complete dumbass.
  • 10 10
 @chriskneeland: every virus is named from where it came, period.
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flag SLBIKES (Apr 2, 2020 at 16:39) (Below Threshold)
 @iammarkstewart: lHey idiot, CNN, NBC and MSN where the first to use the term Chinese Virus, but blame Trump moron.
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 @jrocksdh: I can't speak to what reasons China has in covering up anything they do. But regardless of where it was discovered, it's a global disease.
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flag chriskneeland (Apr 2, 2020 at 16:41) (Below Threshold)
 @jrocksdh: Only by racists.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Hiw dare you say MERS AND SARS, racist.
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flag SLBIKES (Apr 2, 2020 at 16:44) (Below Threshold)
 @LarusFuscus: Wrong, because people suck, nothing to do with calling it Chinese Virus. How does the UK treat people from the Middle East? Maybe they should call them marshmallow or
something?
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 @chriskneeland: You do know that Chines is not a race? Right?
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 @timbud: OK snowflake
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 @SLBIKES: Finally we have our first "libtard" reference. I'm not sure how it took this many comments but I feel much better now.
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 @luckyguy19:
^^ That and they still haven't closed the wet markets!! why aren't more people concerned about that than the title of the virus.
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 @jrocksdh: she was a he and he died of the virus.
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 @sino428: You apparently haven't seen the stuff that goes on at those wet markets. Disgusting.
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 @chriskneeland: besides he's (trump) isn't calling it china virus because he's racist.
He's calling it China virus because that's who he wants people to blame. Just shifting responsibility not burning a cross.

And china deserves alot of blame they covered it up and let it get out of hand.

But ask yourself if china had come out and said "Omg here comes this horrible virus and many many people are gonna die.
Would it have made a difference?

The f*cking governor of Georgia says he didn't know that you could be asymptomatic and contagious until 2 days ago.
Where the f*ck you been bro?
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 @sino428:
follow the sick stuff they do here. Laughing at suffering.

twitter.com/UNNTV1/status/1244970699443318784

some other stuff nested here -->
twitter.com/hashtag/chinaliedpeopledied?lang=en
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 @sutter2k: And you apparently haven't seen what goes on in our factory farms and slaughter houses. I'm sure its just as disgusting. Just because its not out in the open like it is there there doesn't mean the same kind of shit isn't happening.
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 @takeiteasyridehard: wuhan clan aint nuthing ta f*ck wit
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 @chriskneeland: um, when did libs decide a nationality is a race? I mean, not all beaners are from Mexico. Duh.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Agreed, why aren't more concerned about this type of stuff-->

twitter.com/AmyParisian/status/1245831264126431238
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 @pnwille: Bottom line China is more competitive because they don't give a crap about the environment and their labor may as well be slave labor.

Again just one example:
www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth
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flag RoadStain (Apr 2, 2020 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Sure...you and all you "facts" about all the evils in China. It's more than just MSG.
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 @sutter2k: I'm not denying the disgusting stuff they do there, I'm simply saying that it takes complete ignorance to think that what we do here to animals is that much less disgusting.
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 @RoadStain: People out there acting like nationalism isn't based on racism. SMH.
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 @LarusFuscus: Wow, you really believe China is upfront and forthright?
What rock have you been living under? If it had never made out of China, do you think we'd know much about it?

Yea China is so upstanding they were arresting people for spreading rumors that made the state look bad.

Seem like there was some truth to them now. China was force to admit something, but if you think you'll ever get the full truth from that country you're naive.
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 Sucks, but this bike business is brutal! Why didn’t these bike companies source in the US? China did not make your business decisions! But don’t worry, TRUMP Welfare checks are on the way, paid by me, the middle class tax payer! Covid19 still a hoax?
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flag RoadStain (Apr 2, 2020 at 17:37) (Below Threshold)
 @chriskneeland: I work with an Afrian American woman who was top of her class and got a scholarship for grad school in the US for her academics. Born and raised in South Africa....was almost charged with fraud....ONLY in the US is "African" a skin color....but, not race????? Oh, she is caucasian. So, who is racist?
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 @chriskneeland: let's also not forget about the Asians suing Ivy League schools for letting in black people despite having lower grades lower performance and lower achievement but, they need to be let blacks in because of nothing more than their skin color. That is racist.
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 @drivereight: what about this poor woman????

The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.
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 @RoadStain: Got any to dispute anything I'm saying?
China's record on the environment is well know.
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 @drivereight: Who called it a hoax?
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 @TheOriginalTwoTone: I was agreeing with you. ..plus, I have seen it in person.
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flag chriskneeland (Apr 2, 2020 at 18:15) (Below Threshold)
 @RoadStain: sorry shit stain, I'm still not getting your point. Why such an insistence on calling it something steeped in racism? Why not call it the Mammalian virus, since it originated in mammals? Or just call it what it actually is, COVID19.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 2, 2020 at 18:18) (Below Threshold)
 @chriskneeland: What it "is" is FROM THE SHITHOLE CALLED CHINA. This is a fact. Ever been to China? How about a few African slums? Central America slums? I have. As our President says, shit holes.
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 WE should be nice to China; don't want those frames exploding on us all over the trails or the coffee maker to have a meltdown while in the shower.
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 @chriskneeland: Explain how using the city it originated in is steeped in racism?
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 @RoadStain: Sorry misunderstood your post.
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 @sino428: Not saying it cannot happen in the US, however there are several reasons why there is a much less chance of something happening like this in the US with common farm animals. US has very good policies and protocols that limit those outbreaks tremendously. The US has a tremendous amount of information on the viruses and bacteria that common farm animals are carrying, track them, and have vaccines or antibiotics for most of them. These exotic animals are complete unknowns so there are no vaccines for the viruses they carry.

China does not have regulation or protocols in wet markets. China is like the Wild, Wild, West of markets. If you have ever traveled a lot in China, and been to the real wet markets outside of tourist bubbles you would know what I am talking about. I have traveled a lot in China.


Here is an excerpt from a microbiology medical journal that explains how more exposure to exotic animals can be very dangerous because of the lack of information on the viruses and vaccines.

"Rarely, viruses gain the ability to spread efficiently within a new host that was not previously exposed or susceptible. These transfers involve either increased exposure or the acquisition of variations that allow them to overcome barriers to infection of the new hosts. In these cases, devastating outbreaks can result."

According to this microbiology medical journal.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2546865
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 @iammarkstewart: Your full of noodles!
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 @SLBIKES: so what was your name in Tiger King?
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 @LarusFuscus: You vastly underestimate what a communist regime is capable of.
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 @LarusFuscus: sounds like people in the UK suck...
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 @pakleni: ummm- hiv was first discovered in Africa, not the US.
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 @tacklingdummy: Sure its no exactly the same, my point is just that we in the US should not simply pointing fingers elsewhere and acting like this could not have happened here. I would not call the US laws surrounding animal agriculture "very good" in any way. Better than China, yea, but good? I don't think so. While have vaccines for alot of them, all it takes is one bad one that we don't, just like this one thats happening now.

As for antibiotics, we might have them now but at the rate we are feeding those antibiotics to farm animals we may not be able to rely on those antibiotics to keep us healthy much longer. The more we feed them to animals the more we run the risk of antibiotic resistance in humans. Which according to this article from the same source you used .... "The practice of medicine and the state of public health would be catastrophically affected if antibiotics were not generally effective in treating bacterial illnesses"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638249
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 @luckyguy19: by your logic (using the name to highlight how the lack of transparency will cause death and suffering) we should call it the Chinese-Trump-Evangelical-shithead virus. I hope you get the African AIDS. Stupid f*ck.
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 @timbud:
It was originally called the Wuhan virus before forced by China to be named something else.
I don't see what's wrong calling the Wuhan virus since the initial report and spread was from there.
MERs is essentially short for Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus. I don't see people complaining it being labelled from middle east.
And chicken pox is really an affront to chickens.
So who is buying whose propoganda here?

Chill bro.
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 @man-wolf: Chinese government failures and concealments are relevant though: Scientists have feared since SARS that a terrible pandemic would start in Chinese wet markets, yet the Chinese government failed to respond appropriately; and then when COVID hit, they concealed how bad it actually was, robbing the rest of the world of critical response time.
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 @zamanfu: I will not disagree with this.
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 @sino428: Antibiotics are only for bacterial infections. Vaccines are used for viruses.
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 @byubound:
Epidemics are usually named for the place they made the greatest impact, so given that USA is no.1 for infections, this is the Trump Flu.
No ifs or buts about it...
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 @lifeofloon:
Hey Mensa. Where's your outrage at Ebola, MERS, West Nile Virus, Lyme disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever,Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever, or Ross RIver Fever? ALL named for geographic locations-and so-named LONG before the CHINA virus earned its name
And as you said yourself, the Spanish Flu didn't even COME from Spain(it got its name because the King of Spain caught it). So why doesn't that piss you off especially? Spain got unfairly tagged with it.
Another whiny liberal pretending to be outraged by something, and can't even get THAT right
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 @YoKev: dude, you care way too much about this, or are very good at trying to...
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 @pakleni:
"Sooo.. HIV is discovered in the States, right? I mean, you see where I'm going with this, right?"


No Where are you 'going with this'?
If you had spent 20 seconds on Google, you would've have learned that HIV first transitioned from chimps to Humans in AFRICA(The Congo) in 1920
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 @Otago: This just isn't true. Show me one source that supports a common principle for naming an epidemic after the place with the greatest impact. Country of origin was used by the WHO until 2015.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27808070

Honestly, I'm all for calling it SARS-COV-2. It's logical and clear. However, I don't believe it to be racist, nor worth throwing a fit over, when somebody calls it the Chinese flu.
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 OMG... it is Another Chinese Flu. Because that's where the first outbreak was and this is where it spread from. This is where we heard about it first. It fricking is. Every fricking child would know what you mean if you called it Chinese Flu. Some of you guys are making ridiculous arguments. With your logic no murderer is guilty, it is the society that gave rise to this monster aside of his intrinsic genetic shortcomings. Going further SJWs could assume that white people are a product of am malicious white, catholic, patriarchal alien who arranged the atomic composition of gas cloud giant stars that went supernova and created solar system, then Earth. And now his grandiose plan of opressing Chinese people is being fullfilled! In fact Covid 19 was created by US and Swiss white supremacists to opress China. Helped by a small lobby of US Highway patrol tired of drivers of Chinese origins not using blinkers and driving slow on left lane!

Or in an alternative universe: Nobody opresses Chinese people more than their own government! Wait... this is the same universe sorry: in alternative universe US Police creates Chinese style quarantine and barricades inside their homes only the members of LGBT movement!

Equality! Equality! Equality!
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 eye roll
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 @man-wolf: That wasn't an English lesson but a science one. I am not French and just because it is commonly used doesn't make it correct. Just like how the mtb community refers to wheels by the wrong diameter size 26, 27,5 and 29 when they really measure 22in, 23in and 24.5in. At least the size is correct in mm 559, 584 and 622mm.
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 @SintraFreeride: I am for establishing metric wheelsizes. 550mm, 600mm, as well as 650mm and 700mm so that tall people stop blowing bike internet with whining on too small bikes making people 180cm and shorter believe they need 500mm reach and 85 seat angle. With 50mm gradation no bike become obsolete and only two new bike need to be created.
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 @Earthmotherfu: flaming got worse.... but there is no cancel culture here.... which is good.
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 @algad: No, it has not. It was transmitted to humans in Congo, but discovered as a disease in USA, after attacking mostly gay people in NY and Cali
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 @pnwille:

You can probably blame it to UK whose invented capitalism, trade mondialisation and modern (refined) drugs in the XVIII-XIX centuries.
Then, finally, to human nature.
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 @gnralized: no system is perfect and currently no system has ever been entirely capitalistic just like few were entirely communist. These are all generaizations thus it's hard to even call it a system. Police, Fire Dept, Healthcare is a rather socialist thing existing in predominantly Capitalistics societies. Imperial system indeed have exploited and still are exploiing large arts of the world, but it is often described in a manner as if we corrupted wonderfully working, balanced societies. No we haven't. You can eventually argue that in cerain limited cases imperial systems have slowed down the development of certain countries, however in absence of proof you cannot make a case that they would develop to a higher level than what they are now. it is impossible. Conquer and divide strategies have been applied but technological progress has also been brought to otherwise tribal, barely sustaining themselves "countries". If you are seeking malice, It is hard to find another more extreme example of one nation maliciously destroying another than European wars since... fricking Before Christ era, culminating in World War 2.

However, what can be said is that we all know what equality seeking Communists have done in many parts of the world. The far left that consistently criticize Capitalism fails to present any solution, they only comment and criticize. Which has very little productivity and we can be all sure after even short thoughtful consideration that they have zero plan for a completely different system. Even if they had such idea, implementing it would take years, everything requires organic trial and error, shortly: unrealistic! If we looked at it from principle of evolution, we can assume that marxists who are the second biggest idealistic movement that ever happened on this earth - failed because it was worse on every single level - nobody in those societies experienced a higher quality of life than even just post WW2 societies considered as Capitalistic.

@hamncheez Capitalism VS Socialism debate is ridiculous on both sides. I think Milton Friedman would have a rather hard hick up these days seeing how states are outbidding themselves for access to medical equipment which is fully in line with his idealistic view of Free Market. I am not saying Left is wrong, it is necessary for making small adjustment in the "system" (if it can even be called this way) to improve it, but many of them have to get back to Earth and stop talking of alternatives they haven't ever tested and cannot even specify. Same goes for those who think they stand on the right as I demonstrated above. We in the west do not need to go further to the right. Other countries need to.

As many smart people have put it: ideologies are dreams of the better world, than when followed piece by piece go too far and become nightmares.
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 Also as to UK, colonization in general - we can look at it as a way of poliferation of technology from small part of the world to others. It has been a brutal process but societies and tribes they invaded were not living in some utopian balance peace situation. They were butchering each other. All Empires did it - Greeks, Chinese, Romans, Briatin: they brought death... and technology. You have to be able to see it in the big picture sometimes. Folks like Chomsky are just keeping facts in check in case some morons try to make a case that X system is better and fault free.
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 @RoadStain:

I've been to a bunch of third world countries, USA wasn't the worst one, but it was far from the best.
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 @tacklingdummy: You are absolutely correct. If, as the evidence appears to suggest, the root cause of the virus is wet markets/wild animal trade then the Chinese government are responsible for the outbreak. They were well aware of the risk, but failed to take action to prevent another epidemic/pandemic virus. We can lay blame at their door. We can't lay blame at the door of Chinese people generally - that's just idiotic racism, particularly as China is not a democracy and they do not get the chance to elect their leaders.
The US and UK population do get to elect their leaders. Unfortunately a high percentage of them are racist morons who voted for racist criminal f*ckwits to lead them, so we're all flying by the seat of our pants now.
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flag chriskneeland (Apr 3, 2020 at 4:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Malky79: Wrong, the root cause of the virus is a genetic mutation. Naming it after a location where the first animal to human transmission occurred makes no sense. Unless you're racist.
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 @chriskneeland: You can call your mom racist if she allows for it. You seem to have zero idea what racism is and I don't care why, won't get into it. So please shut up. I can call you a potato or a homophobe in the very same manner - this is what happens when people like you are using powerful words they have no idea about. You are degrading the society by calling people racists left and right, playing with semantics to push whatever pitiful personal agenda you may have. I don't respect you in any matter for pretending you care about racism. You don't. You just want to be heard and feel better about yourself using gaps in social norms and intelligence of certain people, mostly just trying to stir the pot.
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 @Otago: Comparing counties with largely different populations, you use numbers per capita. The United States DOES NOT have the most infections per capita. Hoping you have healthcare so you can go get that TDS checked out.
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 @WAKIdesigns: don't drag me into this nightmare of a comment thread
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 @chriskneeland: Since when is Wuhan China a race? Stop parroting stupid things you hear for social points, and look into the history of virology and how they name things.
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 @timbud: do you know the common vernacular for the disease within China?
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 Trump calling the Chinese Virus is an obvious tit-for-tat in response to that Chinese diplomat saying American soldiers took the disease to China. What else could he do? Rise above, and watch as all the dummies believed the CCP's propaganda.

I don't like people saying "eating animals we shouldn't eat". It's an ignorant thing to say. The problem with the eating of diseased bats is the diseased part, not the bats part. People around the world eat different animals. It's not for us to say what animals are right and wrong. Hindus think eating cows is wrong, a lot of Japanese won't eat pork because they think it makes you smell. Muslims won't eat pork. We won't eat goats. Some people think eating any meat is wrong.
We should not pass judgement on the eating habits of others. I would eat a bat, as long as it was killed and cooked in a hygienic way.
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 @jaame: The only thing in China they do not eat with 4 legs is the table.

But seriously, the only reason Trump is calling it the Chinese virus is to place some of the blame on China for our current situation, instead of his delayed and disorganized response.
He calls himself a "war time president"
Well, we need a Winston Churchill...we got Benny Hill.
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 @chriskneeland: Can I just confirm that your argument is: viruses are just things that happen and our actions have nothing to do with them, so no-one can be blamed.
If your neighbour starts shitting in your water supply it won't be his fault if you get sick then?
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 @vjunior21: All of America's sins are forgiven. Tiger King is a gem.
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flag chriskneeland (Apr 3, 2020 at 5:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Growing up around racist conservatives my whole life, I've witnessed this common subliminal tactic and it's many nuances. Take every opportunity to denigrate and demean a location (Mexico, China, Baltimore, etc.) because it contains a population that you believe you somehow hold supremacy over to serve your racist disposition. Then claim some other bullshit reasoning.
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 @ReformedRoadie:
“delayed response” Is that referring to his so called racist travel ban in December?

“disorganized response” Is that referring to the full reaction and power of the military medical sector to help the US? Giant medical ships in NY/LA.

I guess I’m glad for his “delayed/disorganized” response, I must be stupid...
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 5:54) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: "What else could he do?"

My call? Cut off China, all Chinese funds in the US, all travel from China and use our military brute force to put China's main cities on par with the other cities in China, back to mid-evil times.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: You know of course that TDS causes delusional thoughts and irrational responses to the most basic of situations, right?

Heck, firing a girl today for applying for unemployment from a company computer (while at work). I guess she was trying to see if she would make more if she stayed at home......now, there is no question. She will be staying at home. She is one of the very few people I work(ed) near who has TDS....but, she is also 23 and got her job thanks to mommy's boyfriend.
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 Honestly I care little about the PC discussion regarding the name of the flu. However the amount of incorrect information in this thread in comparison to the current state of research is mind blowing. All sides, please read neutral news sources, read research papers and statements, and stop using the fringe media, right and left.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Ahhh yes. Using a virus he didn't understand to perpetuate his already established racist agenda, then waiting until 100,000 American's were infected before accepting we should do something about it. He's doing a fantastic job.
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 @chriskneeland: I don’t care about the idiots you grew up around. We’re talking about a worldwide pandemic correct? Mandatory shutdowns and people losing their jobs at record levels, correct? Yet here you are worried about being the f**king word police. Talk about privilege, must be nice.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Boss, this is a bike website, not a historical information website.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: No, there are overarching themes playing out during this, socially and politically. One of them being the perpetuation and galvanization of anti-Chinese nationalism steeped in deep rooted racism. So if you're refusing to call it what it is, COVID19, then you're actively participating in it. You can claim innocence and ignorance, but it's clear from how all publications right, neutral, and left, refer to the virus, that's the right's agenda.
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 @chriskneeland: “..anti-Chinese nationalism steeped in racism.”

LOL Please change your handle to white privilege. You’re really getting to the root of the problems during this worldwide pandemic.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Some of us are able to recognize more than one problem at a time.
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 @chriskneeland: "that's the right's agenda."


Huh....and to think I thought our agenda was to keep just the blacks in prison. Now I need to add this to my list? Sheeesh.

Oddly, every MD I work with (a few hundred) including the Korean Urologist is calling this the "KungFlu"
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 @chriskneeland: In China, where the people are Chinese, they call it "Wuhan Fay-yen" which translates to "Wuhan Pneumonia". Are they also being racist?

Also, how can you be racist "against Chinese" when most people cannot tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, etc. North East Asians.

It's the Chinese culture people consider to be a bit scuzzy, not the skin colour.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie:
Where to begin...
The full reaction and power of the military has had what impact? The hospital ships are docked, but almost empty. The one thing the military is really good at is logistics. They have not been given the authority to direct PPEs and respirators to where they are needed.
Testing is still no where near what it needs to be.

I am sure you'll blame the media for coverage, but watch the live daily press conferences...they are contradicting each other, and not on the same page.

But don't worry - Kushner is on it, so we'll be fine...
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 @jaame: I seriously, some years ago heard someone try to say that black kids like fried chicken because we forced the behavior on them, and they think it is "normal" because it is a social mores that we had ingrained on them since they were very young. (this was at a CEU course in dealing with indigent and community health patients).

Oddly, as a white, educated, upper-middle-class stereotypical middle aged male who drives a german car....well, I love fried chicken as well.
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 @Kysic: its not hard to tell your a democrat
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 @ReformedRoadie: Okay, being more intimate with the realities of the USS Comfort and (whatever the other ship is named). They are triage centers, NOT at all for KungFlu cases. They are surgery centers with hands down, the best trauma surgeons on the planet. They are to be used as Ob recipients in some instances (where the mothers are assumed not KunFlu+).

I work with one Opthomologist who is private practice and (Navy) reserves who went north to see PT's who may have detached retina and other ophthalmological emergency cases. He will be living on the Comfort for an unknown time period.

The ships are not to be quarantined with KungFlu, they are trying to keep KungFlu out (kinda like keeping mold spores out of a bakery). So, PT shows up with a burst appendix? They may just end up on the Comfort. Person arrives wtih low Sp02? They will not end up on the Comfort. Just as a general surgeon does not know day to day what it is they are going to be doing, nor does the team on the Comfort. The only thing we do know is that they will not be treating KungFlu onboard.
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 @jaame: Can culture and race be extricated? Is culture and race being extricated? It's clear what the political sides here in the US are using their chosen labels for. There may not be such political and racial implications for those labels in China, but I can't speak to the political and racial climate in China.

Racists make the same argument here about Mexico, "You can be racist against a country". Then proceed to call everyone from Latin American descent dirty Mexicans.

I understand the issue with sanitation in China, but if you read the articles from right leaning media, who are the only one's referring to it as the Wuhan, or China virus, it's clear their using it to sew dissension.
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 @RoadStain: He's only doing it to appease your ignorance. Kind of like the girls Harvey Weinstein was raping, and thinking they liked him.
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 @ReformedRoadie: “Where to begin...”

In December, remember? When the President did his RACIST travel ban ahead of everybody. You forgot to begin there Smile
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 For f*ck's sake, how do i unsubscribe from this train wreck of a thread? Asking for an entire community.
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 @RoadStain: I get that...they are there to take the burden of the non-COVID-19 patients from hospitals. But they aren't...they have almost no patients. My understanding - and you allude to by "end up there" - is that patients have to go to a hospital first, then they may transfer to the Comfort.

Now, being that hospitals in NYC are getting slammed with COVID-19 cases, does having patients go through them first make any sense? 1. they take up bandwidth, 2. they can get exposed to the virus.
Am i missing something?
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 @chasejj: It's spelt Wuhan. If you're going to blame a city for a virus at least spell it correctly. Moron.
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 @lifeofloon: Bro, just imagine what Trust is thinking right now.
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 @tacklingdummy: I know, but you mentioned how safe we are here because we have vaccines for viruses and antibiotics for bacterial infections. I'm pointing out that if we continue our current practices we may not be able to rely on antibiotics as much (if at all) in the future, which would be a devastating health crisis itself.
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 This is just a sign of things to come .
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 @endurocat: I just supported quite a few companies buy buying bike to my daughter in parts. I feel like damn hero
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 7:24) (Below Threshold)
 @ReformedRoadie: Do not confuse a person who may (or may not) test positive with KungFlu with someone who is symptomatic. My local ED (Level2) has PT's lined up, mostly psychotic idiots who want to be tested and with a cough on command. This does not at all mean that they are in the Pulm CCU. Just means they test positive. Same can be said for Mesothelioma and exposure to asbestos.

NYC is no different, just a higher population base (thus higher numbers). This truly is becoming more akin to John Stossel check hotel remote controls for feces. Sure, he is going to find it. The same is true for KungFlu, just only the symptomatic people are ending up in CCU (and most are secondary to other lifestyle factors, smoking, etc).

Just as every loaf of bread has mold sports, every human every day carries thousands of "potentially fatal" bacteria, viruses, cell damage (precancer) and on and on. This does not mean they will kill me, or you, or them.

And, yes, it makes sense for a PT to triage at the ED first. Easily (thanks to Obummer), 90%+ of the traffic at any ED or Emergent Care facility in the US could have, and should have been handled by a PCP.
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 @ReformedRoadie: They are trying to keep the ships clear of Covid-19 meaning everyone has to be tested before being transferred there. So if we are talking about people in need of critical care, they can't just show up at the ship becuase they likely need immediate attention and can't wait to be tested. Therefore they have to go to the hospital first to receive the urgent care they need immediately, and then may be transferred to a hospital ship later on if they are cleared.
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 @SintraFreeride: Yes, you are correct. I should have said non-human animal in the first place. Normally I would continue an argument like this just for fun, because internet, but I am all too aware of the many discrepancies between common and correct in the American lexicon, especially in matters of science and medicine (I'm a medical professional). So let's agree to agree and continue the fight together. Salute
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 This is what Chinese government was doing to citizens in Wuhan during the lockdown. Welding building doors shut so people could not leave their buildings and forcibly bringing in people to quarantine because they had fevers. Watch.

www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703505475551

www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703503427818
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 @Malky79: we make generalizations all the time and this one is quite non-malicious. If you were to examine all externalities of every generalization you would never get up from your bed. If you want I can give you examples of racist generalizations so that we can all grow some perspective.

I am not saying we should call it Chinese flu. But some people do, because it hits close enough to home. And these people cannot get even near to hurt Chinese people as much as their government can do to them. Racism and xenophobia should be fought, but this is not the way to do it mate. I would love to see SJWs stand up to few morons on the street calling someone Chinese disease that should get back to their country.
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 @WAKIdesigns: (Raised had high)....Oh! Oh! Oh! I know!!!!! United Negro Collge Fund!!!!!!!

Did I get it right?
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 oh my god this is still going. awesome, great work everyone! It turns out we're all trolls I guess, its just that not all of us had the time to be. Now we do.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Not sure why you've chosen to respond to me with this. My points, if you'd actually read them are:

- There's strong evidence to suggest COVID-19 originated in the wet markets of Wuhan. The Chinese government were well aware of the threat such markets posed, but did nothing to prevent another pandemic. We can blame the Chinese government for allowing bad livestock/food hygiene to create a pandemic virus.

- this does make racism against Chinese people any less abhorrent. If you are a racist, you're an a*shole.

- there are unfortunately a lot of racists out there who will take any opportunity to attack others, and a lot of people who are just morons.

I'm glad you've got everything figured out though, thanks for keeping me right on when I should and shouldn't express an opinion.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 9:21) (Below Threshold)
 @Malky79: How many times do we need to clarify that Chinese is NOT a race, it is a Nationality? Just as Aryan is not a race, it is a physical description.
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 EVERYONE PLEASE!! NO MORE! I'M BEGGING
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 9:41) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: Wait, are you saying that as if you are a Jew in 1940's Germany being tortured, or as a female porn star who has had enough blow?
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 @WAKIdesigns: You are completely wrong on this. All past cases of disease that were attached to a regions or ethnicity had ill effects, so asserting that ‘this is what we’ve done before’ so what’s the problem’, is not a defense of continuing to do it. We need to stop doing it. This is why epidemiologists do not name diseases like that anymore. And using an Ethnic name for the disease while in the midst of the outbreak in a country where racist factions have already been emboldened by or dog-whistling president. Racial discrimination and assaults against Chinese Americans (and actually all Asian Americans, because, well racists don't really care about specifics, do they?) are spiking because of this. To pretend that this doesn't matter or that the name was changed from the 'Chinese virus' to something else is ludicrous. Trump did this to try to deflect from the federal government’s unprepared and botched response to this pandemic. This disease was described as Coronarivus, and then specifically COVID-19, at no time was it ever name 'Chinese' virus. All of this 'Oh, the SJWs are just upsetting the racists', is complete and utter BS. And all this going on about these under-developed countries eating ‘un-approved’ food causing all the problems. Do you really think this doesn’t go on in poor areas of the US or other ‘Western’ nations as well? And ‘Western’ methods didn’t do much for ‘Insane Cow Disease’ did it? These kinds of outbreaks can and do pop-up everywhere, and we as a species are going to need to focus on how to better deal with them so that they do not grind our society to a halt. Please grow up and actually think about your actions and words can have real world effects on others.
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 @hamncheez: I'm going to try and run him over with my car and claim he swerved into the road....itll be over soon...
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 @RoadStain: No idea about the US, but in the uk a racial group is defined by law as a "group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins." So yes, you can be racist based on nationality. I suspect you know this already though. Your comments are either deliberately provocative or woefully ignorant, and whilst you might not actually be a racist or a moron, you certainly come across that way.
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 @Malky79:
Racism | Definition of Racism by Merriam-Webster
[Search domain www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism] www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Racism definition is - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Malky79: Um, not in proper English (I think that Scotland you all talk in English, right?). Chinese by definition is a Nationality, so, in and if itself it is NOT a race.

For instance ( as I referred to prior). I work with a woman who is a Primary Care MD. She was born in Africa, she went to college in Africa and then was accepted to Medical School in the United States. She then had a fight over the fact that she IS "African", and then married her husband (who is an American Citizen) and also became a citizen of the United States, so....you guessed it, she is African American. She happens to be FAR more African American than the blacks who get college funds. But, alas she is caucasian. So, I guess she is racist as well for applying for a college fund that she had no idea was based on color (race?) - not nationality..

What is shameful, every black MD I know detests the fact that most patients assume they are only MD;'s based on their skin color, not their abilities - in each case, their abilities are unquestionable. It is the Indian and Saudi MD's I worry about.....
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 @chasejj: you came from your mom's vagina but I'm sure people still call you Chase
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 @Malky79: I did not know about that definition of racism so thanks for that. I found it weird that the BBC reported "Einstein was racist" because he went to China and wrote in his diary that they were filthy animals, but he also wrote about how he travelled to Japan and found them to be highly cultured. I was like, hang on, they're the same race. He was referring to them culturally, not racially.
And that (in my opinion) is a problem with society at the moment. I think in the vast majority of cases, the term racist is misused and the term culturalist would be more apt.
You'd have to be a real dumb f*ck to think race has any bearing on behaviour. It's culture that makes people behave the way they do, not race. Most of the time it's the media just trying to get clicks. "White people are racist, dogs are racist, chimps are racist, water is racist!"

@shaun have you got any stats that show the spike in racially motivated crimes as a result of trump calling it the Chinese virus? How many people has he turned into racists according to the verified stats? I would have thought any racists were already racist myself, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
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 @sweetpotatotammy: he even calls himself it. Chase (va)JJ.

Just pointing that out Chase, I've got nothing against you.
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 I'm downvoting every single comment on this thread regardless of whether i agree or not until it stops
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 @Malky79: you are a lost child. Glad to have this discussion with you over.
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 @shawndashf1: this is Pinkbike, reflecting average discussion around pubs in town - not a meeting of virologists. Context is everything
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 @byubound: whats your name mean kid? That might tell us all we need to know
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 @zachsith: silly mo-mo’s.
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flag chasejj (Apr 3, 2020 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 @man-wolf: actually it didn’t. Those Chicoms have been consuming bats and other disgusting creatures forever. This is way more sinister. It is not a meaningless coincidence the only Level 4 Bioweapons Lab in China is in Wujan. They built it using obsolete tech From France after we refused to partcipate. Weird that even Bush/Obama thought that was a risk.
Make no mistake, this is a Lab created targeted virus. How it got out is speculation until proven. Everything you hear on the lying media coverage is cover.
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 @chasejj: tin foil mask doesn’t stop Corona. How did rush on Area 51 go?
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 @chasejj: I wish you had led with that comment...I wouldn't have wasted my time responding if I knew the level of bat shit nuts I was dealing with.
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 @pnwille: we haven't tested even 1/2 the people that have had it. Death rate is well under 1% When you get accurate data from testing. My brother has it. Tried to get tested several times, as we think he carried it around for literally weeks with mild symptoms. Knows many others who did same.
Took test, Dr gave him Hydroxychloroquine/ Z pac combo. Healed immediately. No symptoms in 4 days time. That's the big question. Why is media and CDC suppressing the obvious cure that exists?
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 @RoadStain: nah, more like this:

Oh-oh! Oh-oh!, Oh-oooh! Oh-oooooooh! Oh-oooooh-aaaah!
Why are you so mad? When you could be glad!
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flag chriskneeland (Apr 3, 2020 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 @chasejj: Because the Hydro doesn't actually do anything, and the Z pac was to prevent subsequent bacterial illness. He would have healed the same whether he took it or not. You should try watching some real news.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Wait, so your saying I just used all this tin foil for nothing?

Is there any way to turn this shit show of a comment board off?
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 So much virtue signalling and 'I am better than they'...glad everyone is changing everyone else's minds and all other perspectives but there own.

@chasejj does have great points BTW

oh, and #lookslikeasession
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 @chasejj: We've now reached full tinfoil hat status. This comment thread is making me so proud.
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 This has to be the longest reply response (debate) to a comment in PinkBike history. Smile
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 @tacklingdummy: I bet its not even close. There was one a few weeks ago about the cornona virus that was going for like this for days.
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 @bman33: WTF? His only contributions to this thread have literally been the first to call it the Wuhan Virus, and 300 comments later returns to let us know it's man made and everyone who says otherwise is involved in the coverup.
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 @WAKIdesigns:
You are entirely disregarding that not everyone is as barbaric as English colonists. When the first European Americans settled in North America, it was the indigenous people who taught them how to plant crops and survive.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 3, 2020 at 15:40) (Below Threshold)
 @TomHuelskamp: Just remember, history is ALWAYS written by the victor....case in point? Hiroshima SUCCESS!!!! Auschwitz? Travesty.

In either case, both were the right thing to do militarily.
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 @TomHuelskamp:
And those crops fed people who then had kids and they had kids. One day those offspring started thinking outside of the box and created and ugly yet effective suspension fork. Due to various reason the suspension fork company decided to close. The end.

Thank you to the original Native Americans that made this suspension fork company happen. No I will continue to bitch about my fox and rockshox forks.
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 Im up to -195 props. Thank you!
I need to give props to woke retards who apparently are out there riding with me , the ultimate Conservative Trump family guy.
MAGA to 2036. ????
Trolling PB comments brings pure joy to all of us.
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 @chasejj: Soon enough "Triggering" someone with TDS will be a hate crime.
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 Down vote National Geo... that’s odd
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 @tacklingdummy: The Wuhan people spend 2 months in lock down while at the same 2 months the US government basically did nothing much other than stopping flights from Wuhan and downplaying the whole thing as if the diesese would only kill Chinese. Why talk about Chinese numbers accuracy when in the US sick folks don't even get a chance to be tested early on due to various excusses? Maybe herds immunity was the plan all along? Since you are a Chinese American, do you know that in the hard hit Italy, a Chinese community who did social distancing among themselves without being asked to since Jan 2020 are basically free of the sickness? You don't need to know everything about the virus, just do your part and you'll be spared. Playing dumb kills. US doc and nurses are fired for speaking out, the captain of aircraft carrier was relieved of his job yesterday and the whistle-blower of the impeachment trial was fired too yesterday. Go and search better sources, the Chinese doc was just asked by the police to sign a basically 'I wouldn't repeat it' form and he was back at work until he succumbed to covid19 later. BTW, the fact that you are a Chinese American doesn't mean anything really if you sound like just another ignorant guy on the street. I find ex-priests talking shit more interesting.
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 @AlexS1: what exactly is playing dumb? So what Chinese were locked up for 2 months. They are now getting out and only a fool would think it will not start again. Their ridiculous wet markets are being reopened. Nobody knows what playing dumb is. To me it is arranging a lock down and Neither you, me or nobody else has any idea what is the right way to go. See you in 2 years. Then we’ll know.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Wow biological strike!?? Oppressed to eat pigeon and dogs? Really? Wuhan got the first blow doesn't mean it the Chinese who did it. If you got robbed, does it means it's a 100% fact that you faked it to avoid paying your bills? You think you knows everything in the world but what you didn't realised is you are just another ignorant man on the street believing every fake news on the internet. Most news outlets are controlled by various political parties in the US (just as what most think of CTGN news) and naturally biased and people are brainwashed all the time. You may think you have the ability to think logically, much superior, much unlike the chinese people but you are not really. Everything in your mind is shaped everytime you watch the news and watch youtube. You think you have the freedom of thoughts but you don't really in a way. From the way you talk I'm sure you are a highly educated guy, so please talk facts?
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 holy shit . ... .. .. i agree with waki. .. .. the world is really going crazy. . . .. ..
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 @WAKIdesigns: Making the whole US and world indirectly thinks that it'll go away magically and but later claim that they did nothing for 2 months because the Chinese government hide the truth is playing dumb. The last time I checked an someone purportedly went to Wuhan to look for these disgusting wet market but the end up showing some pet market images instead. It's all fake news to shift blame. Nothing more nothing less. Like I said talk facts.
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 @AlexS1: Wow, that was an ignorant comment. All opinion and hearsay with no facts or links to research.
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 @jrocksdh: thank you.
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 This comment section could be seen as a metaphorical version of the virus itself. It exponentially grew out of control. Logic and reasoning went out the window. The political entities of PB certainly did not act in time or do much to slow the spread. We have divided ourselves into factions, instead of uniting together to stop it. All the crazy ideas spread like wildfire. Rational thinking succumbed to panic. Eventually, as quick as it seemed to start, it has lost its head of steam, and is now creeping to a halt. The virus which was this bullshit comment section has finally run its course.
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 @AlexS1: You do know that it is known by Chinese scientists that the coronavirus originates from bats from a particular area of China. Not Italy, not the US, not Spain. This guy has a video summary of a theory of the origins of the coronavirus from a Chinese professor (Botao Xiao) that knew scientists from the Wuhan lab that were infected. It is not proof, but it is a very plausible theory. The only way it can be substantiated is if the scientists from the Wuhan lab speak out.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&list=PLNUoyDgR91EMBq3P-zGSLcgPiOLo6YrH-&index=6&t=0s
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 @tacklingdummy: why are you guys still going on about this when there’s more pressing matters at stake: www.pinkbike.com/news/imba-announces-new-dig-in-fundraising-platform-with-shimano-matching-dollars-raised.html
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 @AlexS1: Playing dumb? No, our president really is as dumb as he looks.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 4, 2020 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 @AlexS1: And they let you out of the short but with out that beige helmet? Wait, how late again is too late for an abortion for the ignorant libs? Can I get your mothers number and ask her?
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flag RoadStain (Apr 4, 2020 at 14:48) (Below Threshold)
 @sino428: And yet, not a single person in your family tree has as much as raked his leaves, let alone grown to such success. It really does make you look just that much more ignorant.
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 @RoadStain: I bet you’d also say I’m not allowed to criticize pro athletes because I’m not as good as them.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 4, 2020 at 16:12) (Below Threshold)
 @sino428: You can criticize them all you want, assuming that the pro has a bar to live up to....a speed, a time, a score, a stat....but, if the bar is for something that is based on a viewpoint as opposed to a factual measure, well, it is just ignorant ranting. In this case, some idiot with TDS.

I think I already posted. At a clinic we had staff checking to see if they went on unemployment due to Corona would they make more or less money. Well, now it does not matter, they do not have a choice. It is great to be a decision-maker, is it not? Now, they are on unemployment and can not use the facility as a reference for future employment. Oddly, all were under 24 and none were certified as anything more than a PITA as opposed to even an MA or CNA. Where this correlates? On her way out one said that all clinics would be government run soon enough when they get rid of Trump.....LOL. Sure, sure sure.
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 @tacklingdummy: FACT MONGER!!!!!!!!
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 @RoadStain: There goes shit stain again, living up to his name.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 4, 2020 at 18:57) (Below Threshold)
 @chriskneeland: Says a man(?) From near Sandersland....wait, do you identify as a man, or have male traits? So confusing to identify folks on the internet......
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 @RoadStain: I have no idea what you are rambling about.
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 @tacklingdummy:

The chinese doctor resumed work after signing a letter while in the US nurse was fired while doctors were actually threatened to be fired...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Fy80yHYQo

"Li returned to work after signing the statement and contracted severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), apparently from a patient. " The Lancet

Nurse who posted coronavirus video fired from Sinai-Grace Hospital

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/04/trump-wants-him-fired-inside-ouster-capt-brett-crozier

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals-tell-doctors-they-ll-be-fired-if-they-talk-to-press

fortune.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-shortages-hospitals-doctors-fired-face-masks-ppe

Doctors, Nurses Face Harassment, Firing for Self-Care Amid COVID-19 Coronavirus
www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229571

FLORENCE (Reuters) - In the storm of infection and death sweeping Italy, one big community stands out to health officials as remarkably unscathed -- the 50,000 ethnic Chinese who live in the town of Prato.

www.nasdaq.com/articles/from-zero-to-hero%3A-italys-chinese-help-beat-coronavirus-2020-04-01

10 times Trump downplayed the coronavirus
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjTaR748eg
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 @AlexS1: I am not watching News, I use youtube mainly for Joe Rogan podcasts as music, documentaries on psychology and mushrooms. I am however more interested in Fox News than I am in conspiracy theories. Mainly because people in power are so stupid, nr of agents to every case is so vast that keeping any secrets in this world is impossible.
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 @tacklingdummy: You mean this same guy and friend experts?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRqcA04FtmM
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 @lifeofloon: Really...it originated in the USA? Do some historical checking on that, you may be off a little bit.
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 @meat: I love this scheeming. People in Asia eat lots of all sorts of kinds of animals which are untested for any disease. Chickens sit in cages on top of rats and squirrels, shit on them, then someone buys the squirell. Someone catches dogs and cats of the street and sells their meat. That’s so non plausible to be the origin of plethora of diseases - we have to seek for alternative scenarios! A mysterious global Scheme makes much more sense! Some people are thinking so much out of the box, they are so woke... genuine individualists, sovereigns!
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 @AlexS1: It really doesn't matter that the YouTuber Laowhy86 collaborated with a guy that Nathan Rich doesn't like. That is purely opinion. Stay focused on the issue and not the hearsay.

Laowhy86's video is a summary of Botao Xiao's (Chinese professor) published report of theory of the origin of the coronavirus and is not the YouTuber (Laowhy86) own theory of coronavirus. The YouTuber (Laowhy86) just supports it with some of his own data. However, Laowhy86's data is very valid, does have correlation with the theory, and does backup the theory. Still everything is speculation and no theory has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so pick your theory. However to me, with all the data, the most logical theory is that the coronavirus absolutely originated in Wuhan.

National Review also summarized Laowhy86's video and posted links to Botao Xiao published report.
www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs

Scientific American explains the research of coronaviruses and bats done by one of the virologists that worked at the Wuhan lab.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1

Also, even your guy Nathan Rich's theory on the origin of the coronavirus backs up Botao Xiao's (Chinese professor) theory that the virus started in Wuhan. In his video, he brings up the theory of whether the coronavirus could have started in the US, but later he even says that his assessment of the information (closure of US labs, vaping, and flu reports) has conflicts, not factual, and feels that the coronavirus started in Wuhan.

Nathan Rich's theories on origin of coronavirus.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6zm6zgah0

Please focus on the origin of the coronavirus. Your links do not have any correlation to the origin of the coronavirus and are just getting political rather than looking objectively at the data.Wink
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 @tacklingdummy: Let's get back to the real issue at hand. Ya'll are racists.
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 @chriskneeland: and you are a nazi.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Aren't nazi's racist?
  • 4 2
 @chriskneeland: off course. They were a bunch of disgusting dorks, but just like SJWs and most religious people, they were deeply convinced that they were doing the right thing.
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 You're all wrong. Coronavirus was caused by 5G radiation. It's just that Wuhan was the 5G test bed for the world. And it's not really a Chinese virus now, it's a 5G virus.
  • 2 1
 @jaame: Don’t forget high levels of barium near airports
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Isn't that mercury and microbeads in my tuna?
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 @chriskneeland: Sir, we have altered the spelling so that Foxnews.scum mods won't delete it..."rheysis" is the new spelling. Oddly, Chinese is still a nationality, specifically, not a race....but, I digress.
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 @RoadStain: Well at least you admit it. Not that it counts for anything.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 5, 2020 at 6:51) (Below Threshold)
 @chriskneeland: Admit the fact that Chinese is a nationality, not a race? The fact that FoxNews is blocking reality or the fact that the "flu" started in the shithole we call China? Onlyu a daft penis hole dripping would even think that it was inappropriate to NOT say that it all started in China and we as a world need to cut China off (if not simply just carpet bomb the entire nation)?


At least the Japs had the common decency to commit hari-karii when they screw up.
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 @RoadStain: why do you even respond to this holocaust denier?
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flag RoadStain (Apr 5, 2020 at 7:06) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: Denying it is stupid. Denying that militarily, killing the Jews was the right thing to do is also stupid.

Alas, again, reality is so so mean.
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 @RoadStain: You must be fun at parties. Every comment you've written is riddled with racial slurs and derogatory insults proving once again you truly are the shit stain on humanity.
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 @RoadStain: holy shit... that is more insane that calling everyone racist left and right.

I am again having this feeling like on mushrooms forum, where they told me to stuff fly agaric up my bum and asked if I want to do some alchemy with them... that feeling is: “I got the get the hell out of here”.

So yeah Zieg heil and Corona and yeah... enjoy each other
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 @WAKIdesigns: Haha. Now I'm a holocaust denier? I know you're only known for the utter diarrhea that explodes from your mouth on article-to-article basis, but it's starting to have a particular horrid smell to it.
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 @chriskneeland: Wait, you still don't understand that Chinese is still not a race????? That's public schools for you. Displaying ignorance and trying to place it under the guise of compassion only makes you look that much more ignorant.

You should read some Aesop. Yes, you are the farmer.
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 @chriskneeland: People like you are the reason why being racist is fun for dickheads. You feed them. Member of 10% of idiots on one side feeding 10% of idiots on another. You are a nazi and a Holocaust denier, and well you have zero proof that your are not, and you cannot convince me Otherwise so shame on you.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Still making quality contributions to the comment section I see. You literally can not shut up can you?
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 @Pinkbike: I think we can all agree that everyone in this thread should be banned for a month. I'm even fine if that has to include myself. Jesus christ this thread has evolved into one ridiculous thread of semantics about who's better than who.
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 @lifeofloon: The fact that I have to virtue signal racism these day's it baffling.
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 @lifeofloon: my mom can beat up your mom :-)
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: the funny thing is most comments on the Internet are not the truly heartfelt thoughts of people. They're simply trying to get under the skin of other people who are doing the exact same thing.
  • 2 1
 @RoadStain: It's WAKI...you just defined his M.O.
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 @chriskneeland: No comment can express how much I despise people like you, for how you deteriorate to social conduct by terrorizing everybody By wiping your silly uneducated and inexperienced mouth with words like racism. You and your dookie kind are worth equal contempt as actual racists.
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 @WAKIdesigns: No comment huh? Yet here you are spitting more diarrhea.
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 @RoadStain: actually it’s the opposite. People are most likely to show their true feelings in an ananymous or semi-anonymous setting forum where they will likely never have to see the person they are taking to face to face.
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 @lifeofloon: *who is better than whom
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 @chriskneeland: I'm Chinese-American. So that makes me Asian. Wink
  • 3 1
 please @pinkbike can you add an unsubscribe option from threads
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 @timbud: Bahaha...ya right. They just posted a 15 second clip of Sam Hill on the main page. You think they're going to give up page clicks in times like these?
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 @chriskneeland: Under the current stupid social policies, most US comedians in history need to be banned for hate speech. God forbid someone be offended.

To that, you can borrow my spare tubes anytime in a pinch. The car is never locked and the pump/tools are in the back.
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 What a bunch of lazy scum bag humans most of you are. Blaming China while being completely ignorant of their cultural traditions that are based upon centuries of starvation.

We should only be blaming only ourselves for this pandemic. We had all the knowledge and technology available to contain it within our countries, just like China did. But we elected politicians more concerned with economy and wealth than environment and health. A reflection of our own greedy and materialistic values.
America elected a reality show tv con man President who initially downplayed the impact and now you are surprised America is the epicenter?

Imagine if people like @WAKIdesigns had spent as much time telling people to stay at home 2 months ago as he is now spending blaming China and justifying calling it the China virus? No, instead 2 months ago he was making jokes about environmentalists.

Meanwhile China was in the process of containing it with aggressive actions while we all watched and pretended life was still normal. You really thought your intellectually lazy sell out politicians you elected to sell you out were going to protect you?

This pandemic will change those values but not before it deservedly destroys our lazy way of based upon our lack of responsibility.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I think we found the Chinese propaganda agent.
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 Aaaaaaye the Gods are angry with us! For we have been consuming too much! Our greed shall be punished!
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 @Mattntp: some cultures think it is cool to cut off a girls labia with a sharpened stone. Some places (China) drown new born daughters. ...who are we to judge? I guess we dont understand.

One thing I do understand, this pandemic started with filthy people in China.
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 @RoadStain: some of the things you see in night markets in China are pretty filthy. That's not to say all Chineses are filthy, but some of them are. And some people in our own countries are filthy too. I mean, it's not in our traditions to keep snakes in appalling health in cages waiting for someone to buy them, then cut them up, giving the blood to that customer to drink while we cook the snake in soup. I don't have a problem with that per se, and I believe we should refrain from judging the eating habits of others. I think it's pretty much an established fact that this particular virus did stem from one of those dirty markets frequented by people who could be considered to be filthy and as such, I don't think calling it that is wrong.
The CCP definitely made it worse for everyone else by lying about its severity and covering it up. The CCP continues to mislead everyone (both inside and outside China) on matters concerning the coronavirus.
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 @jaame: I went to China to race IronMan....it ALL was filthy but for Chengdu....and, I got bit by a panda bear there.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Hard to argue with anything you wrote there yet I'm sure plenty will. Its sad that some people will believe insane conspiracy theory's or blame the media or whatever else, all while ignoring whats literally right in front of them. You don't even need any media reports, journalists, or anonymous sources to confirm what you are saying. All you have to do is listen to Trump's own words.

Everyone knew this was going to be bad, he was informed months ago by his own experts that this had the potential to be really bad. He ignored it because signaling that it was going to be bad in any way (including mobilizing the resources he knew would be needed) would have spooked the stock market. Instead he tried to pretend it didn't exist of that it would disappear. He didn't care if some people died so long as the economy kept chugging along.

He only changed his stance the last couple weeks because the estimates from his own people started to become impossible to ignore. And not because he actually gives a shit about people getting sick or dying, but because he finally realized that having half the country get sick, while having our health care system collapse would have a far worse effect on our economy that a temporary shut down. Unfortunately like you said, we are paying a huge price for those 2 months of delays.
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 @sino428: And, working in healthcare....I still dont give a shit what happens in NYC or any other shitty city full of liberal filth. Under 30 cases in our county....most of them are the nearly dead in The Villages. So, we just keep on riding our bikes and enjoying life no inspire of idiots, more to spite idiots.

Mortality is a bitch, no?
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 @sino428: oh, but blocking Chinese travel was racist, no. Cant have it both ways. Oh.....BUILD THE WALL........
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 @RoadStain: Reading your posts is worse than a listening to Trump try and form complete sentences.
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 @sino428: That is okay. I guess I am better off than Biden (may he die of Conorna - as well as Michael Moore, Pelosi and a few dozen others).

But, if and when the shit really hits the fan. Thank god for the 2nd and the very solid understanding of the Constitution and STAND YOUR GROUND in FL. We could damn near have a for real reenactment of the Civil war if we wanted....where in in Shitties such as Chicago, NYC, Detroit only the criminals have the ability to protect themselves (and take all of your supplies, again, if push came to shove). If nothing more, this will certainly cull the weak from the herd. Works for deer....now, we shall see if it works for human waste and genetically inferior as well.
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 @RoadStain: I didn't realize you were from Florida. Makes alot of sense now.
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 @sino428: Not from FL, moved here for the tax system, MedMal systems and had to get the hell out of the state Obama destroyed. The dollars I save in NOT paying for the liberal policies? Plus, no union issues, no "right to work" crap and no real issues with local governments wanting to nickel and dime me....Hell, Illinois lost almost as many folks as NY, almost.
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 @RoadStain: So Obama's only legislative experience in Illinois was serving a couple terms in the state senate, as one of 59 members, all while a Republican Governor was in power, yet he alone managed to destroy the state? Tell me more.
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 @RoadStain: you were a Florida Man all along, just started out lost.
You probably have trouble with that fact that a black man was 10x the president the Buffoon in the oval office is now. There is no way we’d be in this as bad as we are if he was in office. Instead of saying hoax and fake news, he’d actually would take action.
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 The thread is getting more fun. No one would dare say this stuff in person, but internet is no holds barred. Haha. Pinkbike and WWE style all wrap into one. LMAO.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Looks like you are new to the party. Refer to previous posts. This was discussed thoroughly previously. I'm not ignorant of Chinese culture, being Chinese. Wink
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flag RoadStain (Apr 5, 2020 at 16:04) (Below Threshold)
 @sino428: Obama care and the Dems at large....Illinois is so bad for employers....local news papers in Il moved to Wisconsin! As did Amazon and on and on. Liberal policies destroyed business, Obama empowered racist rants against business, more so healthcare. So, jo ahead, get Obama care...now you dont haven MD who will see you, so you wait in the ED (many are closing).
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flag RoadStain (Apr 5, 2020 at 16:05) (Below Threshold)
 @ReformedRoadie: um, Obama was half black.........but, full on Nig.
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 @timbud: Why. Pretty sure you started this storm of shit by making a scene about the Wujan Virus moniker I used.
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 @chasejj: The irony.
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 @RoadStain: As someone who works in finance in the medical field, I can tell you that you're painting a very selectively biased picture. Now talk about the other side of the coin, where profit driven HMO's and Medicare replacement plans don't allow you to visit non participating providers, dictate whether you're eligible to receive care, regardless of whether your doctor thinks so, and leaves you financial liable bankrupting millions of Americans annually. Actually don't talk about any of that, because you're clearly just regurgitating your extremist right wing positions.
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 @byubound: worldwide pandemics got there names because of where they were first reported not where they were caused you idiots.

BTW in November 2019 Trump defunded to the tune of 200 billion a program to study and track and mitigate pandemics, Two months later it happened.
It’s in the Washington Post if you care to get some real information
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 Obama is mixed race isn't he?

He will most likely go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever.

Really nice guy, I'd love it if he was my next door neighbour. I bet he's really interesting at barbecues.

Total soft-cock of a president though.
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 How, oh how, did we get to Obama in this thread? I’m glad I left when I did.

Thanks Obama.
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 @jaame: there is an alarmingly large group of people believing that the choice of president makes any bigger impact on their lives... I am not one of them. Nice talking head, a pig, whatever, just a show - it’s not them pulling the strings.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I agree to a point, but rather like a worker spraying a car body - the colour may be what they get given but the finish will vary
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 @jaame: would you fancy believing that half of population as total idiots and the other half is just virtuos bunch, just because One candidate can give you more durable wax and the other gives deep, extra gloss finish?
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 @tacklingdummy:

I believe I did not discuss the origin of covid19 but your origin may be more interesting.

It's odd that you kept on insisting that you are a chinese or how chinese you are but you don't have a problem with calling it the Chinese Virus, Wuhan Virus, or even Kung Flu when it's overly clear that all these terms spawned racism against the chinese community.

COVID-19's Fueling of Racism
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lURZR4VioMk

Australians urged to 'show kindness' amid reports of COVID discrimination
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzohSxoJVOI

Chinatown fears racism amid COVID-19 outbreak
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dDSyEtGTU

Asian Americans reporting racism and harassment amid COVID-19 pandemic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JZuz-f5OqY
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 @AlexS1: Global pandemic, killing millions, putting even more out of jobs, risk of horrific recession And you are blowing this ridiculous snowflake bullshit - get f*cked
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 @WAKIdesigns: seconded
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 @WAKIdesigns: Global pandemic, killing millions, putting even more out of jobs, risk of horrific recession and shit stains are using it as an opportunity to perpetuate racism and xenophobia.

FIFY
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 @chriskneeland: Finance in the medical field for whom? An insurance carrier? If so, they got just as, if not more screwed than the facilities. Just the pre-existing condition exemption alone screw insurance carriers. A PT has no reason at all to get insurance until they are sick, this is akin to calling Geico before the police, after a car accident. All insurance needs to be based on risk factors, lifestyles, demographic and on and on. Just as healthcare is not a right, nor should it be an obligation for an insurance carrier to insure some idiot with HIV or any other mess.

Only thing you may be off on, it is not that you can not see "non-participating" providers. Fact is, those providers opted to not take a specific insurance program for a specific reason. In general, that reason is the financial class and/or reimbursment rate. Bet you have a hard time finding a provider who will not take "Part F".
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 @chriskneeland: Um, where are these dead millions? I did see on the news a L1TC in NYC had four cardiac PT's with a neg outcome in under an hour. Huh, seems like every friday night in the L1TC I have worked in, every friday night.
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 @chriskneeland: I am nowhere close to generalize Chinese as filthy, but xenophobes will push xenophobia by any occasion. If it originated/ had first big outbreak in Russia, everyone would be calling it Russian flu And NOBoDY would care. So make sure there are no double standards in here because I assure you there are. Also Chinese as an imperialist nation (Free Tibet - remember?) I really find it laughable for Westeners to be defending them for “racial” reasons Smile
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 @RoadStain: See, the problem is, you're speaking in terms of health care as a commodity, it isn't. Insurance is the commodity, which dictates access to healthcare. I'm a revenue cycle manager for a post acute care facility, and see insurances determine who is eligible for life saving care, and who is not, on a daily basis, even though physicians orders recommend post acute rehabilitative care. Essentially, an insurance carrier determines whether a patient will return to their prior level of function, and sometimes whether a patient lives or dies, not a doctor or health care professional. When a patient with multiple comorbidities requires a level of care to recover from injury or illness, return to prior level of function, maintain current functional status, or prevent further decline, and an insurance company denies based on whether they think the care is worth paying for (which is very common) that patient has to decide if they can pay for that care out of pocket. And what's your health, or life, worth to you? The answer for many ends up being everything they own. And if you don't have anything, and don't receive that care needed to return you to your prior level of function, the result is often facility level custodial care (think nursing home), and sometimes, depending on your prognosis and number or combination of comorbidities, having to choose palliative or hospice care until you reach full decline (death), which too, happens frequently.

Plan F is actually a Medicare supplement plan. It follows Medicare guidelines. If Medicare approves, the supplement pays the remaining patient liability (at the level of plan you purchase). The problem is these Medicare Advantage, or "replacement", plans, as they are HMO's acting as Medicare, but with very limited provider network guidelines, and heavily discounted fee schedules, resulting in enormous patient liabilities when we balance bill. The insurance company gets to keep profits from the premiums collected, deny coverage for the care required, and forces the facility to collect from the patient for services provided that they were not paid for. That includes expensive payment plans, placing a lien on a home, and suing for payment.
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 @chriskneeland: It IS a commodity as it is not a right. Do you mean to tell me that the SNIF you are at takes ANY PT at any time? I am certainly sure not. The fact is, there is staff to pay (and, insurance and on and on). Even a SNIF that takes (some) indigent PT's there are some huge factors that go into bringing on a PT or not (more so knowing the care will not be reimbursed).

Oh, "type F" was a joke. Just as no center in their right mind takes Medicaid, no one in their right mind won't take F. As for placing a lien on a home and what not? I have zero issues with that what so ever. In reality, Dentists/Orthodontists/Periodontists have been doing it right for decades. While Maxilofacial guys can get screwed with trauma call cases, I do not fault anyone for demanding to be paid for services they render. we have seen how the Govt runs things...it is called the VA. If you look at other countries and their RVU structure, they simply will let you die if your life does not have a value that calculates high enough (so, no different from concierge healthcare at the end of the day).
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 @RoadStain: you're income security isn't a right either but you seem to think that people should be left to die in mass so that your income security isn't affected. Are you still going to grocery stores right now? Why are you entitled to more income security than those workers? Call it whatever you want but your posts have shown that really are a stain on society because it's obvious that you care more about your own interests than the interests of society at large, you're willing to sacrifice those that you as deem less than you so that you stay at the level of comfort you think you're entitled to.
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 I have a kind of every man for himself attitude too. Not in a malicious way, I simply do not care about people I don’t know.
There are too many people alive anyway, but at the same time I will do everything in my power to keep my family fed, safe and alive. Is it your responsibility to keep my family fed, safe and alive? Well that’s for you to decide. If society at large left my parents to catch corona and die, or if my parents needed some very expensive medication to prolong their lives and society refused to foot the bill? I wouldn’t and couldn’t hold it against anyone. It’s my family, it’s my responsibility. That is how I see it. Some are lucky, some not so. We’re already doing ok being born in rich countries and having an education. Obviously we’ve all earned enough money to buy bikes and smart phones. It could be a lot worse (and is a lot worse for the vast majority of humanity).
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 @jaame: Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents in history? You clearly have little to no grasp on American history.
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 @sino428: please fill us in on your grasp of American history, where did you get your PhD from? Thankfully our society needs people of all personalities and intelligence levels to function properly, unfortunately their seem to be too many of your level reproducing.
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 @unrooted: No PHD needed, someone who took a basic high school level American history class would know that was a dumb statement.
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 @sino428: All I know is before Obama came into power America was the world's bully, beating all the other countries into submission. It was safe to travel everywhere. Then Obama happened and his soft cock policies of letting warlords in other countries do their thing and then suddenly it became unsafe to travel to about 50 countries.
"You do the math."
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 @AlexS1: You are getting increasingly more political about COVID19 when it is not a political issue. It is a world health issue. I do not believe calling it the Chinese Virus has spurred any more racism against Asians had it not been called the Chinese Virus. Those racist people would have already thought the same way about Asians due to the COVID19 originating in China no matter what it was called. If nobody called it the Chinese virus to begin with, those same people would have done the same racist things. It a small portion of bad apples. The overwhelming majority of people are not racist against Chinese.

The Chinese government needs to take responsibility for their questionable actions (cover up, arresting people for speaking out about the virus, lack of transparency) during this outbreak. Also right now, they are likely not reporting all the numbers of infected and deaths right now because they fear the repercussions it will have on their economy. It really is too little too late as the mistrust is already evident. Chinese government needs to do something to prevent these kinds of outbreaks.

Chinatowns were hit hard in the beginning mainly from Chinese that stopped going to Chinatown. Probably 95% of people that go to Chinatowns are Chinese. Chinese were also the ones who prompted the panic buying because many heard early on what was going in Wuhan and what the Chinese government was doing there and were fearful it could happen in the US and other areas. In reality, the Chinese in the US were way ahead of the curve and predicted what is going right now, well before the majority of people. Chinese are very smart and are planners.

Also, your guy Nathan Rich lives in China. He cannot say anything publicly against Chinese government without risk of getting arrested, so of course he is supporting Chinese government in all his videos. If you have ever been to China, you would know what it is like. I have been there many times. It is an amazing country with amazing people, but there are specific things you cannot do there. Number #1 rule when you are in China is never ever say anything negative about the Chinese government. Not even in idle conversation.
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 @sino428: @sino428: You mean black Bush? He will undoubtably go down as one of the worst to anyone that has a memory better than a goldfish.

-Waged the biggest war on medical marijuana right after getting into office.

-Bombed an additional 3 countries to what the Bush administration was doing. So we went from 4 to 7.

-Banker bailouts of 2008

-Arming the enemy during operation “fast and furious.” Those weapons were directly linked to US soldier deaths.

These are a few of the reasons.
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 @sino428: It's not worth the time. The right-wing's alternative reality narrative is written like the bible. They've memorized the script for every scenario.
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 @tacklingdummy: Well, you are a very interesting Chinese indeed.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Glad to know that you are doing your part. Stay safe bro. Wear your mask.
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 @jaame: Wow, this comment is pretty ironic considering a post you just made above where you said:

"Is it your responsibility to keep my family fed, safe and alive? Well that’s for you to decide. If society at large left my parents to catch corona and die, or if my parents needed some very expensive medication to prolong their lives and society refused to foot the bill? I wouldn’t and couldn’t hold it against anyone."

Yet here you are complaining that the president of another country, not even your own, isn't doing enough to keep the world safe for YOU!!!! What about the "every man for himself attitude" that you have?
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 @AlexS1: wear mask?! If you have a mask you should hand it over to a hospital not wear it yourself. It makes virtually zero sense for average population to wear masks. Virologists and epidemiologists are rather clear about that.
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 @WAKIdesigns: They are talking out the sides of their necks. Look at the evidence. I don't need a scientific study to tell me that wearing a mask will stop my sputum being sprayed everywhere when I sneeze or talk. The countries where everyone wears a mask all the time are the countries that have some modicum of control over the CV. In the countries where the accepted line is that masks don't do anything, everyone is getting f*cked. "You do the math."

@sino I didn't say it was America's responsibility to keep us all safe, but I sure did appreciate a safe world under Bush. Obama didn't have any responsibility to keep me safe, and he didn't keep me safe. Which do you think I would prefer? My entire life I have always viewed the American president as the one who keeps us all safe in foreign lands. Of course it is nice to feel safe.
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 I made the mistake of commenting on this stupid thread and now PB won't let me delete the comment or turn off the notifications of it in Dashboard (that I can find). Why must I be punished by all this ass hattery?
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 @blowmyfuse: Every time I post a comment I think about you all of you innocent bystanders. When will it end? Nobody knows.
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 @jaame: Thats my point, the benefits of a big government sure are convenient when they benefit you in some say right? Especially that big bad US military that you don't even pay a dime for. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that is typical among most people who claim to anti big government. People always say I don't need this or the government shouldn't be doing that. But it it always just happens that when it comes to things the government should be doing, it always end up being directly beneficial to them in some way. People always want the benefit but none of the drawbacks (mainly paying or it).
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 @sino428: Bravo!! Well stated.
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 @jaame: Except it flies out through every single opening, like by the side of your cheeks and even more under your eyes next to your nose. Don’t fool yourself. Not everything they say is true, like what WHO said about 1-2m distance. Most Masks do not save you from getting the virus at all, and their effectivity of not spreading is very low. Believing masks save anybody is as naive as believing 1m distance makes anything as if virus was turning into led instantly after leaving your nose/mouth. The only more naive thing is using gloves.
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 @WAKIdesigns: "It flies out through every single opening" - It's spit, not gum balls. It doesn't ricochet. Whatever comes out of the openings will be reduced in both speed (i.e. distance it can travel) and amount. That's just common sense.
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 @WAKIdesigns: What many who haven't had Hazmat training do not realize is the fit of the mask is critical. When I took my training for Hazmat Certification it required shaving my beard. You literally cannot achieve a full seal without this. In addition, if you don't protect your eyes you are just as "at risk" as no mask at all. The eyes are a direct conduit for airborne transmission. Are you ready for a full Hazmat helmet/mask? Every mask wearing Doctor and Nurse is aware of these risk factors and balance the risk with need and as to not alarm the public.
FYI- My brother's Dr. who cured him with Hydroxychloroquine combo told him he and most Dr's he knew treating people were on the combo as well. The media and some politicians are lying for an specific agenda. I'll let you figure out why.
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 @chasejj: Thank you. That is more or less what I meant.

Many people Like me get symptoms and as soon as they do they stay home. Guess what, they were spreading the virus for up to three weeks. Without coughing. Then they get healthy again and they stop spreading the virus Within two days since symtoms cease.

What are we even talking about?!

Healthcare units all over the world have shortage of masks and they actually can make good use of it, they require them. It’s a matter of life and death of them and their patients. it they should use it with highest priorities not like dummies on the street who can’t even put them on properly
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 @WAKIdesigns: I don't get it. On the one hand you say that masks don't work. On the other hand you say we should give our masks to the healthcare workers who can make use of them. Which is it? They work or they don't? If they don't work, why do healthcare workers need them? Should we stop wearing shoes because we could still stand on a nail? Stop wearing knee pads because the pads could move when we crash?
It is beyond obvious that wearing a mask will go some way towards helping us not catch it. I'm not saying it is a 100% effective preventative measure, and of course goggles make it better, a hazmat suit better still. But saying masks do nothing is up there as your most retarded comment yet! Have you ever seen one of those photos of someone sneezing against a black background?

...

The funny thing about politics, especially (but not limited to) libtards. When the government is from the party they dislike and it does something good... Not a murmur. Of course they did that thing. That's their job. Don't mention it. But when they do something bad, or fail to do something desirable - let them have it! It's an overriding negative feeling or negative conversation. Complain, grumble, insult. Isn't there another way? Even a middle ground where we can say we dislike the person but agree with the policy, or admit we agree with some policies if not all? Why does it have to be good against evil, all or nothing? Surely we're more intelligent than that.
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 @jaame: Wired has a good article on masks right now.
www.wired.com/story/its-time-to-face-facts-america-masks-work

And the same could be said about right wing ass hats. Actually they're worse, they'll just make it up if they can't find something (Obama's an operative for the muslim brotherhood who's sole purpose is to usher in sharia law, Hillary ran a sex ring out of a pizza shop, Sandy hook massacre was a hoax). I could go on.
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 @chriskneeland: I'm wondering if we can outlast the pandemic.
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 @jaame: because when someone works with many sick
People face to face they are trying to limit spreading all sort of diseases not just Corona. Corona itself is not even that harmful, the bacteria it lets into your lung tissue is. They are also working in completely different levels of exposure. Of healthcare system asks you to hand over to them all you have then if you don’t you are a selfish a*shole. What a surprise one of first people I saw in mask was a dickhead in Castelli jacket and Rapha hat, and he even had his nose sticking out of it. He also had sterile gloves. Oh I know he follows a careful protocol of putting them on, he won’t touch his keys, won’t put his hands into his pockets (too bad he did as I scanned his behaviour thoroughly” and I am sure he sanitizes all surfaces in his living area. Come on... who the f*ck are you fooling people?

If you think you won’t get the virus then you have some really retarded part of your brain. Since you believe healthcare workers go to work for the money you do have some retardations. Swedish gov does what it does because it knows many will die off anyways. You kind of agree, but then you wear a mask. Do you even know what you believe in?! According to your survival of the fittest, you should go get the virus ASAP and be done with it.
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 @chriskneeland: yeah, let’s tell people to buy more masks, our US healthcare system is not a total catastrophe yet. Just a catastrophe. And this article is about New York. This is so hilariously ironic I can’t even laugh, it crossed the threshold.
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 @jaame: Boris Johnson in intensive care thats karma.

You can't fake news a global pandemic.
This shit is kryptonite for the right wing.
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 @lifeofloon: Society is NOT my problem. Darwin...simply, that is reality.
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 We all like bikes (at least pretend since we are on this site). Can the juvenile shit talking just stop?? Yes, we all have different opinions on politics and endless other non-bike related issues, but we do all agree on two-wheels. Thought this was a place to have an escape from that. Seems we are all guilty if we are on this thread (me included) Rubber side down folks. Cheers
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 @reverend27: this, like 9/11, Climate change or Jesus or any catastrophe for that matter, is kryptonite for any power thirsty piece of crap, no matter the flag they are under. They will want to capitalize on it. If Boris would die, it would get even more interesting. Poor choice of words that could be indicative of poor morals, but no I don’t wish him that by any means, I rather expect many people to see it this way... Trump would have thoughts...
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 @bman33: we like different bikes... we cannot get along. Most of us can’t wheelie. I can. That makes me better.
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 @WAKIdesigns: would healthcare workers keep going to work if it was voluntary? You can be a doctor or nurse for fun... Or get another job for money. 90% would quit if not more.
Regarding the face masks. Even if they reduce my chances of catching the virus by 1% that's worth it in my opinion. They say that left unchecked, 80% of people will get the virus. I will do what I can to be in the 20%. Gloves, masks, goggles. I'll wear the lot when I go to the supermarket. Anything I can do to personally increase my chances I will do. You do what you think is best for you and yours, that's your prerogative. Good luck to you.

But please, don't pretend you really believe masks are pointless. Anyone with half a brain can see they do something. Quantifying exactly what they do may be a matter of contention, but it's definitely more than nothing.
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 @AlexS1: When are people like you going to get a sliver of a clue.
The term doesn't spawn racism.
Racists are racists, it's really that simple. A normal person with normal views of the world aren't going out and becoming racists because a virus is referred to anything linked the to Chinese.

Ignorant f*cks are ignorant f*cks, you really don't think they know it started in China and would be doing the same stupid shit no matter what you call it?
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 @TheOriginalTwoTone: I did. I used to love the Chinese. When I found out this virus was Chinese, I immediately began to hate all Asians - even Cambodians and Kygrhs born in the USA.
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 @chriskneeland: Hey Chris for all the crying you all do about Trump,
I still don't have the insurance policy I was happy with after Bozo assured me I could keep it.
But I'm thankful to him, every year since I've had to pay more to keep the same coverage or drop down to a lower plan.
Adding me to my wife's plan at work was way more expensive then being on my own with our kids when she first got her new job.
Didn't take long after the savior's new plan that my wife's plan became the economical way to go.
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 @chrisneeland “...same could be said about right wing ass hats. Actually they're worse, they'll just make it up.”

Allow me to refresh your memory of the left making sh*t up

-Your President is a Russian puppet and stole the election... turns out after spying on the president and his entire staff, and a 2+ year investigation by Mueller, ZERO EVIDENCE. Way to go Rachel “Moscow” Maddow, biggest conspiracy theorist in the US

-Your President forced the Ukrainian president into a quid pro quo deal and needs to be impeached... President immediately releases full transcript of call, and the president of Ukraine even insisted he wasn’t pressured. That’s like saying someone robbed a bank, but you can’t find a bank that’s even claiming they were robbed. FULL ACQUITTAL
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 @bman33: what blasphemy are you talking about? Flats are the only way to ride when on a hardtail or riding with the kids but on a full suspension rig clipless are the only way to ride. And if you ever want to learn how to really ride a bike learn on a hardtail with no gloves. Duh!!!
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 @jaame: Not sure why people see this as such an all or nothing proposition regarding masks. Of course they are not perfect but they can obviously help. For one the recommendation for the general public (at east here in the US) is to wear a face covering, not a medical mask that could otherwise be used by a medical professional. Something like a bandana, scarf, etc.

And this recommendation is not suggesting that wearing such a face covering will prevent someone from catching the disease, its to prevent the person wearing in from spreading it. If you are wearing a bandanna and sneeze into it what happens? Its gets wet and covered with mucus on the inside. Will some escape? Of course, but all the shit thats in your bandanna is now NOT floating around in the air or on some surface someone else can touch. People can't seem to grasp that the amount of virus your exposed to correlates directly to how likely you are to contract the virus. Even if its not eliminated, reducing the amount of contaminants in the air or on any surface will reduce the changes of someone contracting the virus.

As for discussion of politics I think the root of the problem is that most people don't know what they are talking about. I am happy to have a discussion with anyone, but too often people are just clueless and simply regurgitate what they see on their favorite politically slanted news program or facebook memes. I mean here in the US (and likely alot of other places) taxes are always one of the biggest issue in politics. But a huge portion of our population actually has no clue how our tax system even works. I am an accountant and I am appalled by some of the questions people ask me. People don't know the difference between payroll taxes and income taxes and where that money goes or they have no idea how progressive tax brackets work (I actually had a friend who was mad he got a raise because he thought he was going to have less take home pay because he got bumped up a tax bracket). You'd be surprised how many people don't even really understand tax withholding's and why they get money back when they file a tax return.

And people focus on the dumbest shit. Stuff that is inconsequential to in the grand scheme of things. Honestly for me, if I'm talking about politics on the federal level and the discussion is not about Climate change, our disaster of a healthcare system, our crumbling infrastructure, fixing the continually expanding wealth gap, or how we will handle the loss of jobs to automation in the next 25 years, then its not really worth discussing. Those are the over riding long term problems that need solving here. Anything else is just a distraction.
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 @AlexS1: In HK, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and other Asian countries were pushing away Chinese by putting signs on restaurants and stores that no Chinese were allowed. This was well before anybody was calling it the Chinese virus and nothing to do with Trump. These are all of the same Asian race, mind you. So, this is a "geopolitical issue" not a race issue.

www.scmp.com/video/hong-kong/3064740/hong-kong-restaurants-accused-using-coronavirus-crisis-refuse-service

www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3047144/no-chinese-allowed-japanese-shop-criticised

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/30/world/chinese-tourists-finding-no-longer-welcome-fear-coronavirus-takes-hold/#.XoujrYhKiUl
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 I know we make jokes on here about space for two bottles inside the triangle as being bonerific, but I also have to say this forum is making me pretty erect. Thanks everyone.
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 @shredddr: I was just the other day wondering if mountain bikers tend to be smarter than the average person...thankfully I now know that every intelligence level enjoys riding bikes....and puking up their opinions online.
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 Here's an idea: Everyone shut the f*ck up and go ride your b.... wait... shit

seems like quarantine is really getting to pinkbikers
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 @jaame: and over 75% will show NO symptoms at all..............Darwin...
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 @Civicowner: if I ride...they bitch.....retards. oh, i still ride though
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 @Civicowner: I mean I've ridden four times by myself in the last week at the trails I ride to from my house. It sure does piss me off though that I see license plates from at least four different states in the parking lot and multiple groups of riders that obviously don't share a household. It's not social distancing when you and your group of friends travel to get together and ride because if you're taking that so lightly we know you're taking the rest of your social distancing activities so lightly.
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 @lifeofloon: I, and you have the god given right of free travel. Period. Pesky Constitutional freedoms. Pesky bill of rights. ....Genius forefathers.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: if it was a perfect call by a very stable genius let the American people hear it.

Why is it on a super secret server?
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 @RoadStain: we have lots of rights.
Those rights and freedoms get taken away quickly when your action put others lives at risk.

Drive a car fine. Start running people over, drive drunk etc go to jail.

Sorry the forefathers didn't account for spreading disease during a pandemic.
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 @RoadStain:
God has nothing to do with our rights, but if your travel removes peoples right to life, (another one of those pesky constitutional freedoms from the Bill of Rights as well as an amendment) then it is legal to restrict your right to free travel.
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 @reverend27: LOL he did...100% released the full call immediately. Are you trying to argue that it’s being hidden on a secret server? Dude, go get your TDS checked out by a professional.
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 @reverend27: I must have missed the part in the Constitution where it says, “Guys, this obviously all goes away if there’s a scary virus”
That must be at the bottom...

I hope you realize how wrong you are. If you’re not, PLEASE tell me how New York residents are leaving their highly infected state...
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: It even bothers me that here in FL, the police are stopping people at the border (not illegals I guess) and asking those from NY to self-quarantine for two weeks.

First off, that is illegal to stop them, more so based on their license plates. Plus, if they do not self quarintine there is NOTHING illegal about it.

Unless there is martial law, there is nothing the idiot cops can do other than waste our time, resources, and fuel.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Bahaha, acquittal huh? By his crony party? If you can't see that he was asking for a quid-pro-quo withholding aid for personal gain, you're either illiterate or willfully ignorant.

www.politico.com/news/2019/09/25/donald-trump-ukraine-call-analysis-000039
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 @chriskneeland: Yep, full acquittal bud, sorry if that triggers your TDS. Again, same thing as accusing someone robbed a bank, yet you cannot even find a bank that’s claiming they got robbed.

And the fact that you pull up a politico “analysis” of the call is absolutely hilarious. Why would I need an “analysis” of a something I can read right in front of me? I’m not one to brag, but I guess I can read and form my own opinions? Sorry
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 @chriskneeland: Anybody who honestly believes the Presidents phone call was “inappropriate” or against the law, please explain why Joe Biden BRAGS about doing this to Ukraine.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_21y_hPXd_k
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Wait, hold on, was what EVERY other President in US did in history impeachable? The fact is, WE get involved in EVERY other election on Earth. So what, they can either do things our way or (now thanks to Trump) we will tariff them into doing things OUR WAY. The fact is, "Walking softly and carrying a big stick" is a great way to alter behaviors. More so of other nations and their plebians.

Now that our military is back up to a decent level of capability. Our President is fully cognizant that it is not the United States' problem how many old bastards in Italy die. We finally are getting some serious border control and Trump stopped flights from China DESPITE the Dems crying fowl.

Then these same idiots want to pretend that in the US we can be forced to stay home and the police can not do a god damn thing about our NOT staying home? I guess some (Chris on his knees) may as well just stay home. He can binge-watch Hogans Hero's and maybe get deep into some Shindler's List (if he can understand the premise).

Until there is martial law, I and other citizens can and SHOULD travel as we desire. If and once there is Martial Law, well, at least here in FL we are able to protect ourselves from a Tyrannical Government as the United States Constitution has given us the right.
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flag RoadStain (Apr 7, 2020 at 5:41) (Below Threshold)
 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: And, now we all see why it is that I use political affiliation as a criteria in our hiring process. I also do not hire trans-genders. Simply, not worth the drama and victim mentality either brings to the table.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: With such a lack of context, you can really claim anything. Great time to educate yourself.

In summary, Shokin was corrupt, was incline to taking bribes, and was dismissed with overwhelming support of Ukraine's parliament. The difference, Trump was seeking personal gain. Joe was getting rid of a criminal.

www.thejustice.org/article/2019/11/debunking-trumps-quid-pro-joe-conspiracy-theory
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: "And the fact that you pull up a politico “analysis” of the call is absolutely hilarious. Why would I need an “analysis” of a something I can read right in front of me? I’m not one to brag, but I guess I can ignore the obvious and push the right wing's fake narrative"

FIFY
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 @chriskneeland: Funny you should mention context. That prosecutor Joe Biden bragged about getting fired, by using $1B in foreign aid in his quid pro quo deal, was heading up an ACTIVE investigation into the energy company Burisma, and many flagged money transfers to/from the company. Who happens to be on the board of that company receiving some of those flagged payments? Joe Biden’s coke head, no talent son, who has ZERO experience in the energy field.

That’s all really good context, and 100% provable, anyone that disputes that with conspiracy theories is laughed at these days. The entire phone call is there for you, feel free to highlight any part of the phone call where the President broke the law...
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 @chriskneeland: “ In summary, Shokin was corrupt, was incline to taking bribes, and was dismissed with overwhelming support of Ukraine's parliament. The difference, Trump was seeking personal gain. Joe was getting rid of a criminal.“

Good lord, really dude? You’re talking about pushing propaganda after spouting that utter garbage? Get out of your echo chamber and get your tissues ready for the election in November.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Wrong again.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002
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 @chriskneeland: Lol yeah nothing to see here, everything’s fine, it’s a total coincidence his son is on the board. I hope you stretch before doing the mental gymnastics it takes to hold your joke of an opinion.

Another point, if everyone in Ukraine was on board to get rid of this “corrupt” prosecutor looking into his coke head son, why did quid pro Joe have to use the $1B in aid to bribe them into firing him? No no, I get it, orange man bad...can’t wait for elections in November Smile
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: The international community had been calling on his removal for years. Money talks. Not that hard to understand. I'm not worried about the election. Trump's turning red states blue all over the place. His incompetence is now on full display.
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 @chriskneeland: Go check out the dictionary, I want you to look up the term hypocrisy. Take care bud, it’s been fun dunking on you.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: So even after I pointed out everything you were wrong about you're not conceding your false narrative? Figures. That's how we get morons in the whitehouse.
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 @chriskneeland: I never linked you to a single right wing news outlet, because that’s not where I get my news from. I simply debated you using mostly logic, and facts accepted by everybody except conspiracy theorists. Which you linked plenty of those types of articles. Next you’ll try to tell me my President is a Russian spy Smile hilarious
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: So, which facts provided in any of the articles I linked to do you have evidence of otherwise? I'm open to see it. From a reputable source of course.
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 @chriskneeland: I think that is far from the truth. We will see during the election.
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 @tacklingdummy: It will be a LANDSLIDE for Trump. Well, unless we let fraudulent voters, illegals and what not vote.

I was in Africa during an election. You HAD to go in person. Some folks would walk for hours and hours to vote, that is the pride they took to vote - IN PERSON. They then had ink on their finger that proved they got their ONE VOTE.

Dems hate the idea of only one vote, only elligible people voting and then a real count of the vote.
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 I spent 11 years in Taiwan working and paying tax as a legal resident and never had the ability to vote. All those illegals in America voting two or three times have got it good I tell thee!
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 @RoadStain: Bahaha...Can't stand the reality that Trump is going to get dumped so you have to make up delusional fantasies. Yeah, that's the first thing illegals are planning to do, risk gathering by the hundreds in public spaces blanketed by cops and government officials.

Funny you say that. The last election fraud that was prosecuted here in NH was a Mass Trump voter voting both at home, and in NH where he owned a summer home. So much for the "illegals" narrative.
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 @jaame: It is a shame that voters of every party in most nations have forgotten how many lives were lost fighting for just one simple thing. A right to vote. Everyone should vote, once. Everyone should vote, in person.

I have a nephew (inlaw) who is VERY Downs. He is 35 some odd years old, but 8. His mother took him to vote and he had an "I voted" sticker...I found that offensive. While I am certain that he voted in the way his mother told him, and along the parties I agree with, he simply was not an educated voter and should not be a valid vote. I guess that makes me a jerk.
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 @jaame: Exactly.
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 @jaame: Since when are illegals voting in America?
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 @chriskneeland: So, your contention must be why it is the liberals, primarily in "Sanctuary Cities" who do not want first INS, nor Voter ID, nor ID requirements to vote....wait, is it the Dems who want only VALID voters? Um, no, it is not.

Then again, I think that there should be minimum income or property ownership required to vote. Simply, too many ignorant welfare babies who never, not in their lives (or their baby momma's life) produced a damn thing other than more babies (who never will know who the father is if not for Maury Povich) and sucking the teets of the government nipple.

With the chorine, we need to put salt peter in the water in the projects and lower-income areas.
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 @sino428: Mostly since Clinton.
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 @RoadStain: Never produced a damn thing? You could say the same about land hoarders and greedy cash extractors prohibiting opportunity for other Americans. It's the right's goal to prevent them from social and economic advancements, and then they turn around and blame them for the prohibitive system they were born into. If I were going to line up on one side or the other, it'd be on the side of the oppressed, not the gluttonous entitled brats.
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 @sino428: Here in Cali and anywhere they have illegals obtaining drivers licenses and/or ID. That whole effort which is 100% a Democrat run effort is nothing but fraudulent effort to get illegals to vote and other taxpayer benefits.
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 @chriskneeland: It is clear you are a 100% Communist Party member. “Land hoarders”? That is only something a commie would say or use as a characteristic.
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 @chasejj: Getting an ID or drivers license does not grant someone the ability to vote. Its amazing if you actually believe that.
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 @RoadStain: You are a truly despicable individual.
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 @sino428: It does when they obtain that license/ID they are auto registered to vote at the DMV or once obtained they register manually which only demands they "swear" they are a citizen. It erodes the governments ability to determine a legal voter. Effectively allowing illegals to vote. That's a fact and is being abused in any state where they issue these documents to illegals. The system as currently constructed operates on the honor system which when no honor is present falls apart. Look it up.
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 @chasejj: So all the Hedge funds buying up property around the country, artificially inflating real estate prices, pricing people out of homes, while letting them sit empty, isn't land hoarding? Go capitalism!
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 Here is an interesting video on Voter Fraud. Just food for thought.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLuXvIxFew
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 @tacklingdummy: You do realize the inflated rolls of registered voters is due to crossover auto-registration from departments like the DMV, say when someone gets a license, or registers a vehicle right? It does'nt mean they vote. Actually, most people don't even know they've been registered to vote. If you leave out half the information, it's easy to fill in the gaps with a false narrative.
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 @tacklingdummy: No its not, look at the source of the video. PragerU is nothing more than bullshit right wing propoganda full of easily debunked nonsense. Just because its a well produced video and the guy sounds smart doesn't mean there is any validity to it.
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 @sino428: that depends almost specifically on the state you reside. It is a standard that vaires wildly. I am 100% for Real ID requirement to vote, I am also for 100% FREE real ID for the indigent.
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 @man-wolf: For not wanting the poor in people who are incapable of sustaining their own existences to breed? I mean, back in the "We are the world" days of Ethiopia and flys were crawling on that kid's eyeball....was reproduction high on the list if priorities? Last thing they needed was more mouths to feed, I imagine the boobies were as dry as the desert they opted to live in (note: crops STILL do NOT grow in the desert).
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 @RoadStain:
- People don't get a choice as to where they were born

- Ethiopia is something like 35% agricultural land

- What in the world does a famine in Ethiopia 35 years ago, caused by droughts and border skirmishes, have to do with voting in the US today(or bike forks)

Lastly everyone one this thread please just stop. No one will convince anyone of anything.

We live in a world where people inexplicably get to choose their own facts, no matter how untrue they are. There have been big companies, that have successfully lobbied to insure that the waters are muddied on the fact front and now we are living with those decisions. So please save your time by stopping commenting here, or other places where people like to yip at one another, and instead maybe talk with your government representatives to change how information is presented.
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 @MeloBikeCO: "What in the world does a famine in Ethiopia 35 years ago"

Please explain to me how Ethiopia years ago is any different from the South Chicago and many other cities in the US Subsidized housing? Other than they had a natural cause other than multi-generational laziness and a victim mentality. Those people simply should not be allowed to vote as they do nothing but suck from the system and live off of the efforts of others. I am sure you will say they too did not have a choice but to be born there....thus, we need mandated birth control, saltpeter in the water (and NOT late-term abortion as they so love to pontificate about).

It is easy to take an armchair view on these people You go to work in a facility who has to deal with these people I give you 30 days or less....you too will say just as I do. Simply, they prove every stereotype as being validated. What is stunning is the sheer number who would say "I voted Barack mother f*cker, I aints gots ta pay shit". One genration, maybe. Two? Pathetic, we are five and six generations deep and only getting deeper. It is one of the MANY reasons that major cities have such "white flight" and professionals of all job descritions leaving the area(s).
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 @RoadStain:
"explain to me how Ethiopia years ago is any different from the South Chicago"

- Geography
- No recent wars in South Chicago
- No droughts causing crop failures and food shortages in South Chicago

Surprised you weren't aware of those differences.

Trying to demonize housing subsidies won't work with me. There are many times that those subsidies are what get a person through tough times so that they get to be a contributing member of society again. Sometimes subsidies are abused, but I'm more worried about huge subsidies for companies that have never and never will, turn a profit, than I am worried about someone getting half their rent paid for.
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 @MeloBikeCO: One clarification, does the prison system count as Subsidized housing for 90% of the male populatino in South Chicago?

We agree on Corp. In my world there is no such thing as "too big to fail". But, I also have no beef with firing a few hundred thousand UAW workers, killing the unions and starting over in Right to Work states. Plus you only solidified my argument that all the "Projects" and Govt housing needs to stop. Far too many generations deep for no good reason.
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 @RoadStain:
" does the prison system count as Subsidized housing?"

-No

"In my world there is no such thing as "too big to fail"."

-In the real world though there is.

"But, I also have no beef with firing a few hundred thousand UAW workers, killing the unions"

-No "But" needed, as it is essentially the same statement as the one that proceeded it

"you only solidified my argument that all the "Projects" and Govt housing needs to stop."

- Don't know why or how. Government housing and subsidies help many people that go on to do a lot of good. My sister for instance, who lived in section 9 housing for a few years after being massively injured and is now a public defender,(and land owner, so could vote in your world).

Besides, we gave the fossil fuel industry 20 billion in subsidies last year(a good chunk of that to oil shale companies that have never and will never turn a profit) while we spent about 4 billion on housing subsidies. That 4 billion is barely larger than the 3 billion we spent on federal employees vacation pay while they were on administrative leave. Let's not worry about the little stuff before we have taken care of the big stuff.

I will now heed my own advice and stop trying to change the position of an immovable object.
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 @MeloBikeCO: It is obvious to me, your sister is not part of family generations deep in a community of citizens who simply live off of the Govt. You are proof, correct?

Oddly, believe it or not I was homeless for a few years after my racing career ended. We all have our burdens to bear. It is simply taking it upon ourselves to succeed, not blame the rest of society because it just is not fair. Long ago the handups became hand outs and then became lifestyles.
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 @sino428: If it is BS and easily debunked nonsense, then debunk it. I'm interested in reading.
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 @tacklingdummy: you seem to have alot of time on your hands to spend on the internet. There are plenty of good non-biased sources out there for good information. Do your own research. I don’t have time to spoon feed you. If you don’t know what good sources are then this website is helpful.

www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: he didnt release the call if so go ahead and send me a link.
He released a transcript not the call. In which we are supposed to believe what is written.

I hope you know how wrong you are.
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 @tacklingdummy: cool there was an investigation into voter fraud after 2016.

How'd that go? How many cases were found.
Trump said millions so it shouldn't be hard to find some cases.
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 Donald Trump's a bit of a tit isn't he? The people voted him in though. He did what he did to win the election. You have to respect him for that. Not many of the haters could have got voted in as president of the USA.
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 @timbud: wait, wasn’t that where the virus originated? Oh I see, your one of those sheltered types that gets upset with “facts” and needs a “safe space”. One of those that is in support of complete government control, restricted rights and craves a socialist society. Heheeheee ;-)
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 @sino428: From the looks at all your comments on this thread. You have just as much time. I did do some research and found more information that backs PragerU. Wink
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 @reverend27: Oh no, here we go with more conspiracy theories. You’re trying to say the transcript that the White House released was fake or incomplete? It’s all there in it’s entirety, enjoy your conspiracy theories while the rest of us enjoy reality. FULL ACQUITTAL
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Last I checked, he was impeached.
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 @chriskneeland: Sure the Dems called all the witnesses they wanted in the House on 2 articles of impeachment and sent it to the Senate. Any lawyer without TDS can tell you how weak their case was, no laws broken, entire transcript released, and full acquittal.

Notice how the orange guy is still the sitting president? Dead giveaway he didn’t get impeached Smile
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 @chriskneeland: You are correct. And, just like Clinton, he was not removed from office. In each case, the entire thing was a waste of US resources. The only real difference is the charges against Clinton were true, he did lie to Congress (and the US citizens)....Trump simply did not.
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 @ObeseMTBr: Is calling yourself obese hate speech? Wait, I am triggered...where is my barney doll that is crusted up with dried tears?????

I love you, you love mee............


(It is my obligation to be offended for the guy who is not even in the room....what, do they identify as a "guy"? Damn it all to hell........)
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 BC should have taken a leaf out of Arnold's book and just admitted it at the outset.
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 One of Trump's irony's that he will have to deal with for not containing the virus like China effectively did is that this pandemic will lead to a massive expansion of the US health care system, just to deal with the long tern health effects of the pandemic.

Where is all the fake money going to come from to fix this?

At what point does the dollar lose legitimacy because it is backed by nothing but phony debt? Eventually it will, you can't rob a fake bank forever.

The other irony for Trump is that his only accomplishment he can point to, the economy, has been COMPLETELY DESTROYED and all hood stock market gains are UP IN SMOKE! Dow goes down, Trump's pants turn brown.

This is exactly what voters deserve when they prioritize economy and wealth over environment and health.

We get the depression that we deserve because we didn't take it seriously like China did.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: “...we deserve because we didn’t take it seriously like China did.”

Thanks for coming on here to push Chinese propaganda, anybody with an IQ in the triple digits is laughing at you. If you think the economy was our Presidents only accomplishment, you’re only proving you live in a serious echo chamber. November will be here soon, but when Trump wins, you can just blame it on Russia! LOL
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 Wuhan is now reopening! We should all celebrate this as an example of how the virus can be contained when an effective and responsible government takes it seriously.

It's crazy to me that we clearly saw what was happening in China and did nothing to effectively prepare ourselves, and yet China contained it even though it started there.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/07/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-lockdown-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html
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 @jaame: Can we get a salute for the hero's of the pandemic?

youtu.be/NAh4uS4f78o
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: lol Trump is going to win an election because he collapsed the economy and caused the 2nd American depression?

There is no propaganda in my comments, only facts that you can't refute and you are uncomfortable with because you cannot deal with the FACT that our federal government completely failed to protect its citizens at every level.

Ok, Trump's other big accomplishment is bankrupting our country with the tax scam for the wealthy, and that was before the pandemic which will bankrupt us even more.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/amp
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Okay, jokes and opinions aside, why don’t you tell me who’s going to win in November? If you think that senile pedophile Joe Biden has any chance, you are so truly out of touch with reality, I can’t help you. But I’ll listen to who you honestly think will win...
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 @RoadStain: But Trump put US security at risk, Clinton simply did not.
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 @jaame: Huh?

Hell, if I were king ALL of Europe, WHO, UN and every other shitbag waste of time outside of our borders would be cut off post-haste. I would also close every military base in Europe and simply take ownership of most of the Middle East (and their oil)
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Or. he should have opted for door number 2. Simply let the weak die. Humanty does need a good flushing.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: If being responsible and taking it seriously means literally corralling millions of people inside their houses by force, beating people who flout the face mask directive, instructing agents of the party around the world to buy up essential medical supplies ahead of the curve to send back to their country (leaving those "great friends" up shit creek, then selling said supplies back to them at a profit and plastering those same crates of goods all over the local media with the word "Gift" on them), burning countless bodies and deliberately not recording the cremations, deliberately fudging the death certificates of thousands if not millions of people suspected to have the virus to reflect that they died of something else, pretending they did nothing wrong despite the blood of the entire world economy being on their hands etc... then yes, China has taken it pretty seriously.
Looking at it that way, on a theoretical level they dd a great job. On a personal level... not so much.
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 @jaame: I find it hilarious for folks to try to clean up China only to “minimize racism”. Chinese government performed awful tyrranic actions, violating all sorts of civil rights, and these moronic snowflakes want to cover it up, spreading misinformation, playing with facts. Some articles AxelS posted say that Chinese do not eat bats! That it’s racist propaganda. Holy shit. Some people live so deep inside of their ass they start considering themselves progressives!
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 @WAKIdesigns: You, of course, are aware, I am certain, there ARE NO Civil Rights in China.
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 @jaame: FACT MONGER!!!!!!!!
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: but but Obama's birth certificate was a fake. The right really does not understand irony very well.
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 @lifeofloon: Obama: born in Hawaii, fake Christian. He's no more a Christian than my Corn Flakes. They all tell lies.
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 @WAKIdesigns: You need to differentiate between "China" and the Chinese people. The oppressor, and the oppressed. Do you suppose those Chinese citizens who you condemn for living in squalor rise up against world's largest active military power? You're blaming these people for a situation they have no control over.
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 @chriskneeland: yeah government also oppresses them into their eating habits. That’s like saying King of Denmark tells people of Faroe Islands to butcher Dolphins every year. Idiotic semantics.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Ahhh yes. I forgot you're an expert on the food industry in China. It's their "choice"...how convenient for your xenophobic narrative.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I still have a stainless steel straw in my car at the ready. It is about a 40 min drive to the Gulf of Mexico where currently the dolphins are breeding...I think I can blind one stabbing it in the eye with the steel straw and finish it off by drowning it. I just need to figure tartar sauce or Sweet Baby Rays...

I did give up on eating a manatee after reading about them on the placemat of a place called Stumpknockers. I am guessing the meat is tough due to all the scar tissue from the boat props tearing into them.
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 holy crap whats it going to take to end this thread. WTF does illegal immigration and voter fraud have to do with Trust shutting down
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 @chriskneeland: no you doobie, it doesn’t take an expert. The pictures of wet markets are easily available on google, it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out. I am not a xenophobe, you have no idea how one looks and talks so you are using this word like a 11yr old Running around shouting “dildo”. You would make a wonderful censorship officer in Chinese Communist Party. You should go and apply. Why don’t you move there already?
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 @hamncheez: ahahahahaha
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 @jaame: you mean not like a devote Christian POTUS we have now...
That may be the funniest post yet...
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 @WAKIdesigns: So ass hat, it's just that's simple. People ONLY do things by choice, never dictated by circumstance? So if I kidnapped you and sold you into slavery where you were kept in a hole in the ground unfed for weeks at a time, when you start eating your own shit it's because of 'choice'. Of all your diarrhea diatribes, this one might be your most feeble.
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 @hamncheez: you will assimilate.
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 @chriskneeland: you are holding a hammer and looking for nails. You assume so much. Off course they don't do it solely out of choice, nobdy does, do you wnt to get into free will/ nature of conscioussness discussion? Retards holding "fags go to hell" on a funeral of a homosexual - you think they are there mostly out of choice? No, they grew up in a retarded environment, possibly damaged mostly by incestual relationships, we cannot rule out rapes and child molestation trauma in those small religious communities. Read on KKK.

The circumstances are that's the kind of meat they have available, if state were to control it, they would lose source of meat. But you are too dumbed down by stupid SJW principles anyways. Because all of it doesnt change the fact that Chinese People in China, ruled by Chinese government, eat untested animals carrying various diseases transmiting to humans - hence it makes sense that some people like to call it Chinese flu.
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 @WAKIdesigns: So you agree and yet can't admit you're wrong at the same time. f*cking brilliant. So you've only confirmed that you just like to talk in circles because you like to suck your own a*shole.
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 @WAKIdesigns: They should be vegan........
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 @chriskneeland: Ok...that is the funniest comment...
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 @chriskneeland: so for it to be called Chinese Flu and Chinese to be blamed for spreading COVID19 - your condtition is that it would have to be free will and malice of Chinese citizines to eat bats? You are a retard. Please kill yourself. You are a waste of energy. You are now making me consider Eguenics being a good thing. Kill yourself next to a morgue, do this one little thing right in your worthless (so far) life. That's a sound choice in your mental circumstance.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Well...….the Kung Flu has NOTHING to do with the disgusting eating habits of the Chicoms. You know why I know this is fact? Because if it were related, the Chicoms would not allow the markets to reopen. China doesn't GAF about the rights of these servants to the state to eat that crap.They let them reopen because they know that story was nothing but cover for the REAL story.
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 @chriskneeland: Your “woke” point of view might get you you laid with a bunch of dumb young girls at your local bar, but it’s laughed at by educated adults who live in reality.
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 @ReformedRoadie: it would be if there was anything behind it, but there isn't. There is zero logic behind his words, just will to appear as a morally superior master race. Everyone who met him, heard him speak is dumber than they were before that sad day. I do wish people like him dropped dead. He is as useful as racists, paedophiles, religious fundamentalists, wife beaters, +300lbs people - pests - I'll be rather clear about it.

Now... can we wrap up this thread?
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 @WAKIdesigns: No moron, it just makes no sense to call it the Chinese flu. We've covered this. Don't you pay attention? So all you have left is keyboard warrior insults? Talk about infantile level of development.

And why edit your comment three times? Every time I refreshed the page you said something different. You must really love spewing your shit to rewrite so many times.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Bahaha...educated? Didn't I just prove you wrong in like 10 posts in a row? Still waiting for you to disprove each of the sources I provide. Take your time...this thread needs break. But I'll be waiting.
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 @chriskneeland: you tit!
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 @chriskneeland: you are the Graham Ledger of Social Justice.
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 @ReformedRoadie: I brought that up because they were saying Obama was a muslim born in Indo, and he went on to say he was born in Hawaii and that he is very serious about his Christian faith.

I remember chuckling at the time because while the first was probably true, the second one was probably false.

I think they should change that racist law anyway. Open the door for Arnold to take a run at the presidency.
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 @chasejj: Ever travel internationally? Serious question. I have been on every continent but for Australia (I do not trust marsupials).

I assume you have heard "Do not drink the water". Oddly, the locals can drink all the local water they want....care to guess why?
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 @jaame: MY GOD....NATIONALITY is NOT a RACE............(I get just as upset when people call an engine a motor, there is a difference).
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 @RoadStain: But xenophobe doesn't cut the same way racist does. So, RACIST!!! But seriously, you're only doing it because you're racist.
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 @WAKIdesigns: The fact that you listen to that dude enough to try and make a comparison says a lot about you.
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 @chriskneeland: Wow a link to a blogger, thanks! Lol
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 @RoadStain: I find it irritating when people refer to shock absorbers as dampers. It's a spring and a damper. I can take shock as an abbreviated form of the term shock absorber. But not damper on ts own. Steve Jones does it all the time, it gets right on my tits.

BTW just FYI IMHO Australia is not a continent.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Don't worry, he's an intelligent one. You could learn a few things.

Here's another:

www.vox.com/2020/3/18/21185478/coronavirus-usa-trump-chinese-virus
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 @chriskneeland: Thanks dude, I’ll take a look at those links from respected news outlets like bloggers and vox hahahaha I’m still too busy trying to get this Russian out of the White House.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Here's another. Keep at it man. You're parents didn't give you much to work with, but I still believe in you.

www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/04/06/paisley-rekdal-im-also
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Trump put travel bans on China and Europe to try to block the virus from coming to US and was immediately criticized by the left for doing that. WHO even criticized Trump for implementing the travel bans on China and Europe. That brings up many red flags. WHO praised China for their travel bans in Wuhan, but was against Trump's travel bans. Doesn't make sense. Number 1 rule of an outbreak is to contain the virus.

Tedros Adhanom, said the WHO does not recommend limiting either trade or travel to China at this time. “In fact, we oppose it,” he said. The health organization said it would question border closures, quarantining of airplane passengers who aren’t ill, and similar steps. Jan 30. Source MIT Technology Review

World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Monday there was no need for measures that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade” in trying to halt the spread of a coronavirus that has killed 361 people in China. Feb 3. Source Reuters

Dr. Bruce Aylward, who led a WHO team in China during the raging COVID-19 outbreak there last month, said in an interview that travel bans “generally aren't part of the armamentarium you bring to bear on something like this.” "What we found, as a general principle - not a general principle, a pretty robust principle - is that it doesn't help to restrict movement,” March 13 Source Euronews
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 @tacklingdummy: Good old Bruce "Selective Hearing" Aylward. Such a nice guy. Unquestionable professional integrity. He would never say anything that's not true. Or pretend to not hear someone.
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 @tacklingdummy: Wrong, Trump was criticized for putting travel bans on China and some of Europe, while excluding other countries that were inflicted for personal interests. He was also criticized for the short deadline, not allowing Americans to return home without being able to secure return flights in time. Again, it's easy to fill in the information you left out with a false narrative.
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 @chriskneeland: Bro, haven’t you heard Rachel Maddow these last 3 years? Our President is a f*cking Russian spy, and you don’t seem to care. Don’t tell me MSNBC doesn’t repot 100% fact or I’m running to my safe space.
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 @chriskneeland: List your sources and facts. I just showed a few of my facts on what WHO said about being against travel bans. I'm waiting.
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 @tacklingdummy: You’re speaking FACTS, brother.
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 @tacklingdummy: Huh? Facts about what? Where did you provide anything about what Trump was criticized for? What WHO was recommending is completely unrelated. Most health experts were recommending closing borders and containment.
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 @man-wolf: That beats my Waki sucking his a*shole comment.
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 @chriskneeland: You used the wrong “your” when trying to insult my intelligence Smile
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Too quick on the text suggestions. I'll make sure to send all future comments to my editor.
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 @chriskneeland: An honest mistake, I wouldn’t take that and try to call you a stupid redneck and invalidate your opinion based on it. But, if I was an elitist lefty, I definitely would Smile
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Well that's because it's not enough to. But a slew of racist comments and regurgitated right wing propaganda certainly is.
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 @chriskneeland: I am still not clear on one thing, if I were to state the color of the mass majority of the US Prison populatoin, am I racist or just stating a fact? From there, if I was to then define the political affiliation that the majority of the same population identifies with....am I then racist, or am I stating fact?
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 @chriskneeland: Not accurate. Most healthcare officials were against travel bans because they say they are not effective and that the virus will still spread. However, the key factor in travel bans is that it will slow the spread of the virus. Slowing the spread of the virus allows more time for countries to ramp up defenses against the virus and help to prevent extreme overwhelming hospitals treating patients.

Public Health Experts Question Trump's Ban On Most Travelers From Europe

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/12/815146007/public-health-experts-question-trumps-ban-on-most-travelers-from-europe
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 @tacklingdummy: I suppose the number of IDS guys I work with are all incorrect.....huh., Who knew that the internet could be so helpful.

Oh, every one of them were on board with banning ALL international passenger travel. Huh, dummies should have asked the retardsat NPR (god I would love to see their tax base funding ended). Heck, even the one who is in charge of our district and answer directly to Atlanta, what a fool.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Stop the presses!!!!! Linda Tripp died...hell, I kinda figured the Clinton's had her suicided years ago....
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 @RoadStain: am I the only troll on PB too depressed to bother trolling?
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 @RoadStain: many overseas countries including Australia.
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 @chriskneeland: You really are a clown. Why not send us the unbiased links to CNN and MSNBC? Do you work for Biden or something? Your adherence to the official SJW wing of the Dem narratives is breathtaking.
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 @tacklingdummy: Let me rephrase that. Epidemiologists that I was reading, who warned about a pandemic like this for years, were saying that closing the borders was one of the early steps in preventing wide spread pandemic.
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 @chasejj: And what? You're going to send me your Info Wars bullshit?
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 @chasejj: hey, dont trust marsupials or reverse cyclonic toilet flushes.
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 @chriskneeland: then....this........

France's chief epidemiologist: US will 'probably have the most problems' with coronavirus, partly due to obesity..


Lol lol lol lol....God, I hope so....
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 @RoadStain: Well at least we agree one something.
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 @jaame:
Jamie wrote: "If being responsible and taking it seriously means literally corralling millions of people inside their houses by force, beating people who flout the face mask directive,(blah,blah, conspiracy) then yes, China has taken it pretty seriously.
Looking at it that way, on a theoretical level they dd a great job. On a personal level... not so much."

Why not on a personal level?

We both agree that China did a good job at containing the virus, correct?

We both obviously agree that America has completely failed at containing the virus and protecting it's population, correct?

China contained it and yet you still act like they did something bad when in fact they set a successful example for us to follow, and they were warning the rest of the world of the severity of the virus, which Trump and his influential FOX news puppets mostly ignored:

youtu.be/uxROKabhDP8
(The sequel)

All the China flight ban did is delay the onslaught on the American population the by a week or two. They absolutely and completely failed at EVERYTHING else, especially in testing and leadership. Trump and his flunkies calling it a Democrat hoax when they should have been trying to scare the hell out of everybody.

What Chins did to its population was harsh, but the health and economic fallout in America will be much less desirable. In terms of its "personal" effect on you, in the long run you will wish the rest of the world had followed China's example.

This will be a costly lesson in the dangers of electing politicians who prioritize personal wealth and economy over health and the environment. One of the most pathetic lies is when Trump says nobody could have ever imagined this.

youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: “ What Chins did to its population was harsh, but the health and economic fallout in America will be much less desirable. In terms of its "personal" effect on you, in the long run you will wish the rest of the world had followed China's example.”

WOW. As a man, I can’t honestly say I’ve ever been offended, but this comment got close. I sure hope none of your family/friends have fought, or God forbid died, for the many freedoms you’re so willing to give up. If so, they’re rolling in their graves.
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 @WAKIdesigns: This is an episode of the reality tv show Naked and afraid where Americans tried to hunt bats to EAT THEM.

youtu.be/UWruWCq6GCI

Had they been successful and started the coronavirus or something like it would you then be be ok with calling it the American virus?

Would you be just as enthusiastic about calling it the American flu and spend half your day on pinkbike trying to justify calling it that?
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: I think DCA is just pissed that Bernie failed again to convert the entire country to Commie idiots.
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 @chasejj: Ya man, the overweight, unhealthy, under-educated population we have now screaming FREEDOM! between each bite of their triple big mac washed down with 32oz Mountain Dew is really the epitome of capitalism we should all strive for. If only they had access to a health care professional to discourage their faulty ways. But communism, so no.
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 @chriskneeland: You honestly think the majority of people in America are fat glutinous slobs because they don’t have “healthcare professionals discouraging their faulty ways”

If you believe that, I could see how you could also think the government getting involved would solve the issue...LOL
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Yes. Because right now they're informed by Burger King and Coke commercials. Do you not understand how sugar and fast food industry shapes the American diet? You don't recognize that it's a health care issue?
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: I'm not referring to China's overall facism, just the facism they resorted to in effectively containing the virus. Which I am in favor of for the most part because it is necessary and the overall result in preventing death and economic devastation is justified, as we are seeing from the effects of completely failing to contain it in our own country.

This is a war that America has lost on every front, the health and especially economic losses will likely exceed that of any traditional war America has actually fought in. Including the wars/ occupations we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost us over $3,000,000,000,000 and only made us less safe. So we have Bush's disaster and now Trump's, and all 4 American depression/ recessions happened under Republican presidents who prioritized the economy over health. Pretty ironic, just goes to show that you get what you vote for.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Next we should get the government to ban all alcoholic beverages...imagine the lives we can save.

What again was the quote? Oh, yeah...."the great social and economic experiment, noble in motive and far reaching in purpose."

It worked about as well as the war on drugs (Bless Nancy's heart). The ONLY thing the war on drugs did was build tons of prisons (pretty sure they are an industry "too big to fail").
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: You mean Cuomo, DeBlasio, and New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot failed on containing the virus. They just keep telling New Yorkers and the rest of the US the opposite of social distancing and to go out lives their lives, ride the subway, eat at restaurants, go to bars, etc, etc.

China is not a place to be during the lockdown. People were not allowed to leave their homes nearly two months and Chinese government was the only one providing allotted food for those in lockdown.

I posted these earlier, but they are eye opening on China lockdown.
www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703505475551
www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703503427818
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 @RoadStain: No need. We can just make healthcare universal which provided education and rehabilitation to those who over indulge. But nah, the extortion capitalists say let's let them waste away until poor health and addiction becomes an enormous burden on society, then we'll capitalize on locking them up! You know, the moral thing to do.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: “Which I am in favor of for the most part because it is necessary and the overall result in preventing death and economic devastation is justified, as we are seeing from the effects of completely failing to contain it in our own country.”

Wrong. Don’t listen to me, listen to John Hopkins University:

2-27-2020 “The US scored 83.5 and ranked No. 1 in five of six categories: prevention, early detection and prevention, rapid response and mitigation, sufficient and robust health system, and compliance with international norms.”

Good enough source for you a**hole? You should be ashamed for praising the what the murderous tyrannical Chinese government does to the great Chinese people. GFY
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Well two things.One, our ranking is attributed to access to health care through health insurance programs Medicare and Medicaid in older adults, what you would call communism. And two, our health care system is highly stratified, where those with access to health care get incredible care, and those without get very limited care, which is reflected in comorbidities found in those of lower socioeconomic class.

Also, notice the health care access score

www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/GHS-Index-Report_FINAL_Oct2019.pdf
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I guess we could seriously debate the effects of various governmental responses to the virus when we know the true extent of the virus in every country... which isn’t going to happen with the CCP in charge of China. f*ck the CCP and f*ck you if you think they’ve done anything good in this whole sorry mess. No one knows the true extent of the damage in China. I do have two close friends who have literally ditched China and left their apartments full of belongings because they absolutely never want to go back there. Literally no one trusts the CCP’s official line or official statistics on anything. So yeah, welding everyone’s door shut probably did stop the virus from spreading... outside that house. Luckily for the CCP if people die in their own house and the body stays there for 11 weeks, it doesn’t need to go on the official death toll. Those apartments full of dead? Probably all died of starvation. Definitely not the CV. Don’t put that on the stats!
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Your Johns Hopkins stats are worthless fodder considering that the American government completely failed to contain the virus and because of it we are by far the mega-epicenter of the word pandemic.

What part of "complete failure at every level" does your jarhead not understand?
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 @jaame: Besides setting a good example of how to contain the virus that most of the world completely failed to follow, China has consistently helped other countries in many way throughout the pandemic and continues to do so. Reading this article would cure some of your angry delusions about what China has done during the pandemic:

theintercept.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-china-world-power

"Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic told reporters he had sent a letter to his “brother and friend” Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, asking for medical aid, stating that “the only country that can help us is China. For the rest of them, thanks for nothing.” The first test kits from China landed in Belgrade late Monday night."

China has actually been kicking ass helping other counties during the pandemic, and they are creating new alliances around the world.

People in China are also riding bikes more than ever, check it out pretty cool...

global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202004/10/WS5e900167a3105d50a3d154be.html

China is fully committed to continue to help the world deal with the pandemic, and I am thankful for the efforts and wish my own country could provide this type of leadership:

global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202004/03/WS5e866fd9a3101282172840c0.html

If we are going to play the blame game blame the massively incompetent leaders of our own country who we clearly elected to sell us out. When you vote for growing personal wealth and the economy over protecting health and the environment you get exactly what you voted for but not maybe not what you hoped for.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: The John Hopkins study is “fodder” we should all be listening to chinadaily.com HAHAHAHA Thanks bro!
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 @tacklingdummy: If Trump's plan was relying on the state's to contain the virus he should have alerted the state's of that much earlier, and relying on the states is a completely failed idea that would never contain it anyways.

What we needed was early leadership to get ahead of it and scare Americans but instead we had a reality tv star clown President downplaying it and misleading people at a crucial point.

youtu.be/NAh4uS4f78o

They ignored the nsc recommendations on how to deal with it and there was no leadership or testing. Complete failure at every level and now we suffer the consequences. Federal deficit will be over $5,000,000,000,000 this year, numbers that make no sense whatsoever and indicate very bad times ahead.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: You have nothing but compete failure at every level to defend so it's no surprise you are looking for distractions. Complete failure at every level, bro.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Sure thing bud, wish you the best. Your pro China government bootlicking has given me a couple good chuckles, I’m sure you’ll be moving there soon since it’s so amazing, cheers.
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 @chriskneeland: Sure, but YOUR behavoirs are not my problem, just as mine are not yours. That thoery is exactly why our founders put the first and second ammendments in the order they are.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: China Daily. Nice one.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Are you on the CCP payroll?

Next time you speak to your handler, can you ask them to replace all the test kits they sent out that were 40% accurate please? Just remind them that 40% accuracy is less reliable than the toss of a coin.

How do you feel about the crates of supplies sent to Italy, which were paid for, but had large stickers with the word "Gift" on them?

Was that also part of the grand containment plan?

Do you think it would be appropriate for the RoW to claim damages from China for deliberate deceit, causing more damage than would have otherwise been caused? If such lawsuits were successful, do you think the CCP is likely to pay, or claim that the court has no jurisdiction in China? This is the one I'm most interested in... can you ask your handler that please, next time you speak to him?
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Trump was considering closing NY and NJ, but NY governor Cuomo objected to that and said that he didn't think it was legal. Trump dropped closing state borders because of the legality of it and left it up to the states to decide. When Trump block flights from China and Europe and the Democrats completely objected and called him xenophobic. Now the Democrats say Trump is why the virus has spread in the US, while mainly NY and NJ are the epicenter of the coronavirus where Democrat politicians (Cuomo, DeBlasio) were doing the opposite of social distancing. They hyprocrisy of the Democrats is off the charts.
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 @tacklingdummy: The delusions of anyone who still supports Trump are off the charts, regardless of this pandemic.
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 @man-wolf: Old conversation. Working at a trauma center in IL (since closed thanks to Obama), there was a big discussion that none of us had ever met anyone who voted for Obama, period. Now, we knew plenty of people who voted for "The black guy" or "the democrat" or "not Bush", never had I met a person who voted for Obama. There is a difference.

Every time I see one of the old school "H" Hillary bumper stickers, or a current Sanders or Biden bumper sticker, I really do tend to feel bad for the person who owns the car (never have seen one on a car that costs even 20% of what my daily driver costs)...but, such a sad state of affairs to know that as a person you are not capable of achieving more without taking from other, more gifted and smarter people. The reality does correlate directly into the fact that we check potential hires for what party they are registered with and do not hire registered Democrats, I would assume adding more fuel to their theories that the patritians are holdikng them back as opposed to their own failures as functional humans.
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 @RoadStain: Cool story bro. And FYI, I'm not a democrat.
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 @RoadStain: "Sure, but YOUR behavoirs are not my problem, just as mine are not yours. That thoery is exactly why our founders put the first and second ammendments in the order they are."

If a gunman is shooting wildly into a crowd that I'm in, are his actions not my problem? If you're actively spreading a deadly agent, are your actions not my problem?

I don't differentiate between the two, both are liable for the death as a result of their actions.
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 @hamncheez: I'm pretty sure most of these guys are actually getting hard ons from posting here.
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 @hamncheez: Good thing I’ve got plenty to spare. F*ck all these soy boy, do nothing losers.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: @Off-my-lawn-hippie: LOL you are hilarious dude. What have you done to advance society and human existence? I bet less than me, and I'm probably substantially younger than you. GTFO with your opinionated bullshit. The world is bigger than the bubble you clearly live in.
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 @chriskneeland: Great analogy! Going to work May 1st, is the same thing as shooting a gun into a crowd. Would have been better if you backed it up with sources from bloggers and chinadaily.com LOL
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: Essentially, yes. If you're directly responsible for deaths as a result of your transgressions, why waste time parsing the means?
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 @chriskneeland: So, when do we criminally charge people who sell cigarettes, alcohol, knives, matches, hammers, gasoline.....I could go on and on of course. So far, this fiasco has caused FAR less deaths than...well, the flu. Alcohol-related deaths or cancer....so....
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 @RoadStain: Wow that's a stretch huh? We went from actively spreading a deadly agent to somehow selling matches being the same thing. Way to veer off course.
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 @chriskneeland: Nope, me being in public and traveling at will (as is my right) is no different than someone knowingly selling a substance known to have deadly consequences - simply, that is how you put it. If I sneeze grapes or drive drunk into your car you are just as dead, right?
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 @man-wolf: Hard ons with ever decreasing penis lengths/girths
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 @hamncheez: You better be careful then lol
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 @RoadStain: So if a quarantine order is given, and you violate it, and infect someone, resulting in their death, you don't see it as a transgression equivalent to giving someone heroin resulting in an overdose?
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 @chriskneeland: um....there IS NO quarrantine order here, to have one would violate the Bill of Rights and provoke a civil war....if it was attempted, well, citizens in FL tend to be very well armed and knowledgeable as to our rights as citizens.
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 @RoadStain: Fortunately, those of us in NH tend to be very protective of our loved ones and those susceptible to this deadly disease, who are also very well armed. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a kill or be killed scenario.
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 @chriskneeland: See, so you agree again! If someone is susceptible THEY need to avoid areas that are dangerous to them. The rest of society should not cater to their inept immune systems. We kinda had the same thing some years ago when the public schools tried to ban peanut butter sandwiches because one birth defect kid could not be in the same room as a Snicker bar. Simply, that kid's life was not worth the rest of us altering our behaviors.

We even had shirts made!
www.customink.com/designs/peanuts/wyr0-00br-e9c3/share?pc=EMAIL-40778&utm_campaign=shared%20design&utm_source=share%20link&utm_medium=shared%20design&utm_content=shared%20desktop
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 @RoadStain: Peanut allergy, pretty rare. COVID 19, not so much.
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 @chriskneeland: I have neither, so....I dont care.
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 @chriskneeland: no I don't listen to him sweetheart. I just learned about him from John Olivers show. But deficient people like you jump into conclusions rather quickly since it suits their narrow view of the world.
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 @RoadStain: Yet. Did you miss the part about COVID being contagious? Good luck with that.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Bro, you still mouth breathing your bull shit? Don't you have diarrhea to smear elsewhere?
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 @WAKIdesigns: I just saw a video on YouTube about leper colonies....I am calling the bank to get a loan. This MUST be stopped. I think Sally Struthers is eating all of their food, if they attack her their arms may fall off.
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 @RoadStain: was Chriskneeland there? Whatever left of his brain, fell out
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 @tacklingdummy: hey dumb ass, I live in NY and our state has virtually been shut down for three weeks except for essential workers per the governor's order. How about the other dumb assess that keep coming to my local park from out of state to ride? I live in Westchester county one of the biggest hotspots in the country and yet people think its still cool to come ride here from out of state because we have great trails. The virus has spread because the f*cking cowardly bully in office was convinced that this was an international hoax by the left until it was to a point where he couldn't ignore the numbers in front of him. He disbanded the national pandemic team and ignored the pandemic response playbook because he cares more about the stock market and investments than the people of this country. It didn't take mainstream media to tell you what was going on, it took paying attention to the international affects this pandemic was having everywhere else in the world before he let this spread in our country. We now have more confirmed cases in the US than anywhere else in the world. You can spout your drivel about China being unreliable with their numbers but our numbers are just as unreliable because of the serious lack of testing we have been allowed. Now hospitals are running out of supplies and space to treat people because this jackass in office was convinced it was nothing instead of preparing for what the rest of the world was telling him was coming.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah man, I'm totally wrong on all this social distancing/flatten the curve mitigation strategy. I should stop listening to intellectuals and subscribe to the Wakidesigns diarrhea diatribes. I mean what you say sounds like shit, but you say so much of it, it's got to be right!
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 @lifeofloon: So, effectively you are easily convinced into behavior from a co-worker you refer to as a bully, your are not paying attention to the fraudulent "causes of death" as pertaining to COVID and the realities of the situation have no bearing on what you believe from the mainstream media, right?

You also are unaware that currently over 90% of the population that "has" COVID presents not a single symptom, right? I have a mole on my arm, shall I consider it a "pre-cancerous lesion" under the same mindset that the media has taken with COVID?

From there? I could give a shit less about NY (mostly NYC as I have some very good friends upstate). I also do not blame Upstate for electing Hillary. The fact is, all damn winter the idiot snowbirds who INVADE my home tend to have NY plates, drive like f*cking retards and think they are special. Simply, no tolerance for them and I do wish for many to perish (well before they end up in The Villages).
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 @lifeofloon: Since I am such a dumb ass, why does NY have more coronavirus infected cases than any country in the world at 170,000? NY is the epicenter of the coronavirus in the world. #2 Spain has 153K, #3 Italy has 147K, #4 France has 124K, and #5 Germany has 120K.
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 @tacklingdummy: because NY is a damn dense city? If it worked I’d pray for Trump to get it and die. Honestly. This pig deserves to die. I rarely want someone to drop dead, but I hope he will, and that he will suffer gasping for air. He is worse than Putin. Even Putin doesn’t say one thing on one day with full confidence and then the day after accuses WHO and what not of saying something he said yesterday but they have never said. Die Trump, die trump, die trump. Suffocate! Suffocate! Trallalalalano air, shalala, blurry vision through plastic face cover, last thing he sees before he suffocates for 24h, dead Trump, trallalaaaaa. Big, old, smelly ape
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 @WAKIdesigns: You, of course, know that he, like many of us who are in certain income levels...well, fled NY for FL right? Well in my case it was IL to FL but no matter what, far more space to be on our own in FL and NOT pay the taxes that the liberals just seem to love (in my case there was just over 20 folks left with no job, but, hey, gots to look out for #1, right?)

Plus, the libs need to fear Trump dropping dead. Pence would ban abortion within 24 hours of taking office and throw the libs and Hollywood into a seizure.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Tokyo, Taipei, Seoul, Hong Kong, Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, etc are all dense cities, yet they are combating the coronavirus well.

Taiwan lashed out at WHO two months ago on Feb 6 and Japan did on March 29. Both countries criticism about WHO well before Trump. Australia has also been very negatively vocal about WHO's handling of the coronavirus.

On January 22, after there were confirmed cases in Taiwan, Australia, Japan, Thailand, and South Korea, yet WHO declined to call the outbreak in China as public-health emergency of international concern. WHO also was against blocking global travel. After the WHO finally declared the emergency, it didn't call it a pandemic until March 12th. That is way too late when it already pretty much spread to the entire world.

www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-taiwan-lashes-out-at-china-for-blocking-who-access.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-746eJGyUI&list=PLNUoyDgR91EMBq3P-zGSLcgPiOLo6YrH-&index=8&t=0s
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 @tacklingdummy: FACT MONGER!!!!!
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 @tacklingdummy: how about the fact that New York is one of the largest international hubs in the country with one of the largest populations in the country. If you understood how this virus works and how easily it spreads its no wonder it has blown up here. Not to mention having a leader that refused to do anything to prepare anyone or any region for this pandemic and instead held personal vendettas against the regions he did not do favorably in.
@RoadStain You seem to be the one paying attention to your mainstream Fox news. I don't have television or subscribe to any particular news outlet. I do however pay attention to what is going on in the world around us through many many international news outlets and a social network of close friends and family all over the world.
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 @tacklingdummy: What about the 40,000 people who came from China after the travel ban was started? They don't talk about it on Fox news.

Trump is the primary reason the Trump virus has has been spreading like wildfire through America.

For now on we will call it the Trump virus because he is without a doubt the biggest super spreader; Because of all the disinformation and misleading the general public about the severity of Trump virus. He has deservedly inherited this virus. Then his influential clown puppets and Fox news repeated the dishonest message which caused many more in America to be infected by the Trump virus which has decimated our economy and led to near 20% unemployment.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-trump-supporters-conservatives-fox-news-daily-show-video-9447066%3famp

Trump's virus is destroying America as we speak, many of his cult followers are still going to church. Our federal deficit will be over $5,000,000,000,000 this year, when just a few years ago it was unimaginable that it would go over a trillion. Yeah, great plan to have the states tackle it by themselves with no federal help or leadership or testing or anything. Complete failure at every level and now America is the mega epicenter.

You voted for the spread of Trump's virus when you voted for politicians like Trump who prioritize personal wealth and economy over health and environment. Why can't you own that fact?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579
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 I am done with this thread and will leave with this interesting podcast with Glenn Kirchner concerning Trump's legal liability for involuntary manslaughter he will eventually face when he leaves office.

"Causation in the law is defined as conduct that is a substantial factor in bringing about the death of another and I think, undeniably Donald Trump’s conduct of lying to the American people and downplaying the risk, giving them information that they then use to make their everyday behavioral decisions that put them in harm’s way that enhanced their chances of contracting this virus. That was a substantial factor in infecting and ultimately killing people.

So, and let me talk a little bit for a minute about how he also failed to act and how his failure to act was gross negligence. So this is one of the — and I prosecuted a lot of murder cases in my day. This is one of the unusual circumstances where a perpetrator actually fulfills both theories of liability because he acted in a grossly negligent way and he failed to act and that failure was a product of gross negligence. You only have to prove one or another. He hit the homicide bonanza. He actually committed involuntary manslaughter in both of those ways."

theintercept.com/2020/04/02/is-donald-trump-criminally-responsible-for-coronavirus-deaths
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: didn’t he just criticize WHO and other countries for downplaying the risks of how deadly and contagious this virus is? I got an impression he did everything necessary because he was so critical of everyone around. As I said even Putin isn’t as full of shit.
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 @tacklingdummy: I am not saying WHO did well. But Trump is not allowed to criticize anybody. He should be strangled or burned alive immediately. He deserves to die like Kadafi much more than Kadafi did.
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 @WAKIdesigns: he will die. We all will.
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 @jaame: with him the sooner the better. This is what I mean. It will be extremely hard to build back the US politics to any level after this bottomless mouth full of sht. I don't have any good wishes to Boris either. I hope he doesn't make it. There's no room in this world for people with zero integrity who's sole desire is destabilization of everything, who ride the wave of causing chaos and putting world on fire. This is real life trolling, where it is least welcome. I am not coming up to my kids and tell them: "hey! what did I tell you?! Eat carrots! Go to fridge, get carrots, peal them, wash them and eat them!" only to next day go, and purposefully say: "Hey! Stop eatig carrots! Carrots are bad!". This is what these pieces of crap are doing.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: wow...
Just when I was thinking you could name possibly make a more ignorant comment.....
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I'd prefer you state some facts why Trump is the biggest super spreader. For comparison, in 2009 during the H1N1 outbreak Obama, US states, (and basically rest of the world) did not have any stay at home orders, no shut downs of businesses and schools, no travel bans, no border closures, etc. Obama and the rest of the world basically let H1N1 run its course. Trump has taken a lot more measures to try to slow the virus spread.

H1N1 had estimated 60.8 million infected in the US. Currently there is 520K COVID19 infections. Probably most didn't think H1N1 was much of a big deal because the mainstreet media was ignoring it and not making it the big issue as COVID19. There was no mainstreet media criticism of Obama's inaction during H1N1. If you control the media, you control the minds of the people.
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 @tacklingdummy: This media coverage is brought to you by, Charmin, Clorox, the United States Democrat Party and the publishers if Mein Kampf.
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 @tacklingdummy: Over 60 million infected, less than 10k deaths. This isn't even comparable.
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 @chriskneeland: Um, yes it is....
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 @RoadStain: Not really. Look at rate of infections and deaths COVID would have had if we nothing.
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 @chriskneeland: There was a PT who CLEARLY died of a heart condition at one of our facilities. He was suspected as COVID as a secondary condition (not verified). That, however, did not matter - his death was counted as COVID. This is not at all a new practice I guess with COVID. Have never, not ever heard of this in the past as the ME was very diigent in a ACTAL cause of death as opposed to an emotional or theoretical cause of death. I was told by another staff member that at PT near Orlando had COVID and OD'ed on pills and booze...classified as a COVID death. This simply is reality.

So, I know for a fact the number is fake here, I can only assume it is fake everywhere. Then, there are things like this...

www.dailywire.com/news/viral-video-candace-owens-accuses-governor-of-lying-about-newborns-coronavirus-linked-death-calls-for-resignation
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 @RoadStain: I know someone who is positive for COVID, because he was infected by an employee, then gave it to his wife who tested positive. The first man didn't qualify for testing because he didn't meet testing criteria, and isn't being counted (his wife did, and is confirmed positive). COVID numbers are much higher than they are being reported.

Also, if COVID was the cause of death, the comorbidity is secondary. I.E. pneumonia being the cause of death in someone with COPD.
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 @chriskneeland: How many are symptomatic? 80%+ never, not ever show symptoms. The rest? Darwin. Their lives are not worth my nation's well being. This is no different than a war. Period.
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 @RoadStain: That's where we'll agree to disagree.
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 @chriskneeland: The fraud perpetrated in America continues. 80,000 Flu deaths 2017-18 (CDC). COVID-19 death causation - fraud, death rates - fraud, new cases - fraud, needed ventilators- fraud, needed hospital beds - fraud
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 @RoadStain: That's the point. It's a stealthy virus, people who never show symtoms spread to those who it will kill. With no mitigation practices the death toll would exceed 400K. See the difference.
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 @chriskneeland: So will AIDS.......
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 @chriskneeland: There was only a fraction of the testing for H1N1 than for COVID19. 60.8 million are estimates not confirmed. So, numbers are totally inaccurate for H1N1 and many experts say the numbers are much higher for those who died from H1N1.

Also, CDC states that H1N1 tests are only 10% to 70% effective to test correctly. That is extremely inaccurate.
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 @tacklingdummy: Sure, all those facts and number are simply fodder. I’ll keep listening to Rachel Maddow...she’s got her finger on the pulse.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: I think that Rachel has her finger on something...it -may- have a pulse, depends on if it is engorged or not. Not sure, but it may have a fuse coming out of it.......
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 Numbers are skewed. Will always be. How can they not be? Tests are not entirely reliable, paticulalry for asymptomatic carriers. Nobody knows the percentage of asymptomatic carriers to those who get symtoms. And we never will know it. Isolation minimizes nr of deaths due o other causes. Isolation causes other problems that can lead o serious diseases. It is not hard to imgine Covid 19 will increase nr of alcoholics, suicides because people were told to stay home. More divorces, more domestic violence, more folks getting all sorts of addiction. Small businesses getting ruined, extrenalities are impossible to count.

It's a fight between saving healthcare system and saving economy. Deaths are of lesser relevance. As I wrote above, there's way more at stake than 2-3% mortality rate or whatever it is. "Stay home" is not a way out. Nothing is. Governments which took house arrest measures, like Italy should resign. Italy is the biggest f*ck up so far, they just keep making it worse and worse. Let's see if US can beat it.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Or, being isolated only delays the inevitable. For instance, submarine crews are isolated from drowning, but, soon as they go out....drowned. I like to think we are simply culling the herd. Entirely too sick of so much false information out there.

Life in the atmosphere is like sea of deadly challenges to life. Some, simply wont make it.
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 @RoadStain: Unless submarine crews stay isolated until SCUBA equipment arrives.
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 @chriskneeland: so these weak people who are at risk need to decide John Travolta boy in the bubble or bubble boy Zorb style outfits to wear for the rest of their lives.
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 @RoadStain: Why the rest of their lives? Treatment options will become more advanced. A vaccine will become available. Testing will identify carriers to be quarantined. Have some f*cking patience man.
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 @chriskneeland: Society does not stop for ANY other thing. Those at risk can stay home, the rest of us? High time this ignorant prison ends (not as if I am prevented from doing much, just finished a 22mi ride).

More f*cking rubber gloves in parking lots, gas stations, on the trails... I guess idiots think they melt like cigarette butts.
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 @RoadStain: Perfect summary. Big Grin
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 @RoadStain: Good thing the majority of us don't view the lives of others so trivially and are taking the steps necessary to preserve what public health remains.
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 @chriskneeland: The funny thing, if the theory (granted my theory) is correct and people will die from this - one way or another, much akin to being allergic to a very common item...well, then the rest of us are wasting out time (I can tell you that in FL there are VERY few people avoiding a damn thing).

I jsut saw on the news in MI they are taking down 1000 hospital beds....none were used. There is little to no question, trying to avoid anything was not the key here. By the time it was attempted it was far too late for that (many thanks to WHO for mis-informatinon).
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 “One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it.”

Who said that?
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 Since this is a never ending thread discussion: ****Guess what.......the Covid19 virus was bio ENGINEERED in the fricking Wuhan Virology lab Army The proof is in the complete genome sequence. This is solid fact at this point...... it is just politically incorrect for other Governments to say it.

Watch this documentary just released
youtu.be/Le_rfTdayLs
They were dumbasses at that Lab
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 @SirWonky: sheltering in place was stupid, that too is a solid fact :-)
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 @RoadStain: 1000 hospital beds not used is exactly the result of social distancing and stay at home orders we are shooting for. You're proving the point.
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 @chriskneeland: You know of course that no one can prove that scenario, right? It simply is impossible to prove a negative.

No different in reality than DUI laws in the US. No one can prove that one single life has been saved with .08, or MADD delusions. They can infer some were, they can theorize some were...But, in reality, we can quantify tens of thousands of lives altered in a massive way due to the effort. The only thing we can prove is that the DUI laws are a cash grab for many municipalities (another overbearing attempt of the Government to control our collective behaviors).

Working where I do, we see a number of DUI incidents. Most DUI currently are not alcohol. The ones that are? They are not .08, not even .1. Heck, that is a normal level for a good old fashioned alcoholic. In general the car accidents (with injury) the altered driver will be in the .2xx+ range...or, they were running from the cops where we get a chicken or egg scenario.

So, under your premise, we can say that every time I drive I am only alive thanks to the efforts of MADD, plus the only reason none of these beds were needed was a self-quarantine?

(no, I have never been charged with DUI and I do not drink).
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 @chriskneeland: WRONG. All models with large death numbers we didn’t even come close to, were INCLUDING social distancing in the model, NOT if we did nothing. The low numbers do not prove anything except an overreaction.

This will be clueless liberals favorite uninformed argument when everyone talks about the overreaction.
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 It has been reported in the uk motoring press that the government’s speed camera rollout in the 90s was timed to coincide with a year of unusually high road deaths. Something along the lines of 1,1,1,1,1,10,1... ten being an anomaly. Cameras were rolled out the following year and the amazing cut in road deaths, from ten to one, was attributed to speed cameras. Now they are a shameless revenue generator masquerading as a safety aid.