First Look: Santa Cruz's First eMTB, the 2020 Heckler

Feb 9, 2020 at 15:11
by Mike Levy  


Hold onto your hate: Santa Cruz has entered the world of eMTBs with their all-new Heckler, a 150mm-travel all-mountain machine that's powered by Shimano's 250-watt Steps E-8000 motor and rolling on 27.5" wheels. Their first e-bike is modelled after like the non-motorized Bronson, which we loved when we tested it last year.

Santa Cruz will offer the Heckler in four different configurations, ranging from $7,399 to $12,599 USD, with all of them based on their top-tier CC carbon frames; there's no less expensive C or alloy Hecklers in the pipeline... Yet. There's also no frame-only option at this point.

Heckler Details
• Intended use: All-mountain
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear-wheel travel: 150mm
• Fork travel: 160mm
• Shimano Steps E-8000 drive system
• Head angle: 65.5-degrees
• Sizes: S - XXL
• Weight: 46lb (as pictured)
• MSRP: $7,399 - $12,599 USD (X01 RSV $10,899 pictured & ridden)
• More info: www.santacruzbicycles.com
The Heckler that I rode (and the one shown here) is the CC X01 RSV model that's one step down from the top-dog CC XX1 AXS RSV bike. If you don't suffer from acronym envy, or just don't want to spend that kinda coin, there are models with slightly less letters and slightly less dollar signs.


The 150mm-travel Heckler uses Shimano's E-8000 Steps motor, a 160mm e-fork, and is on 27.5" wheels.


All of the complete bikes get four-piston brakes with big boy 200mm rotors, single-click Eagle drivetrains from SRAM, and a RockShox Super Deluxe shock. On the front, you'll find 160mm-travel e-ready forks from RockShox and Fox. Want more carbon? The X01 and XX1 versions come stock with Reserve carbon e-bike wheels (32h DH rear rim, 28h front), but you can also get them on less expensive models if you want to make them, you know, more expensive.

We also sat down with Rob Roskopp and Aaron Foley, the Heckler's lead engineer, to chat about its development and Santa Cruz's future with e-bikes.



The Heckler name

If you've been around for a while, the Heckler name might ring a bell. I was a smelly sixteen-year-old kid reading Mountain Bike Action magazines cover to cover when the original Heckler was released back in 1996 as a beefy (for the time) trail bike with 100mm of travel. The single-pivot Heckler was, much like the Tazmon when it debuted in 1994, seen as a relatively burly machine next to its NORBA-inspired competitors that weighed less but were also less capable.

The original Heckler took its name from a type of beer that Rob Roskopp, one of the three founders of Santa Cruz, was a fan of, and there have been a few different versions of the bike since. It also happens to be a fitting name for a bike that might see a bit of heckling. Or maybe it's those who're riding it that'll be doing the heckling?
The '97 Heckler had a 71-degree head angle, 100mm of travel from a 51mm stroke shock, and a 1.9:1 leverage ratio. Very different times.


A 12-speed Eagle drivetrain (with XT cranks, of course) is paired with a Shimano motor.


Shimano Steps E-8000 system

Shimano's 250-watt e-bike ecosystem is widely used, but it wasn't a foregone conclusion that Santa Cruz would go with the Japanese giant's motor, especially as they wanted to make a relatively light machine that rides like a normal bike but on the juice. So why not use something like Fazua's lightweight drive system? Or go with a less powerful drive unit to save weight like on Specialized's new 38lb Turbo Levo SL?

"We looked across the board,'' Aaron Foley, the lead engineer on the Heckler project told me. ''We had competitor's bikes, and we obviously talked to a number of motor manufacturers. At the end of the day, the Steps system is very seamless and gave it a ride characteristic much closer to a pedal bike as far as the reward for what you put in.''

When considering the motor, they also had to take into account how it'd mount and if it'd play nice with the bike's lower-link driven VPP suspension layout: ''We looked at the full package and how we could do kinematics. We looked at other motors and what the kinematics would be.'' After all, what if one of the motor mounts was where a pivot needed to be? Shimano's Steps was deemed to be the most compatible.
The NOS button is down at the motor.

Another checkmark in Shimano's favor is how wide their support coverage extends. Forget to pack your charger? Maybe you were juicing too hard, crashed, and broke the remote or display? You can probably get some support and bits sent to you just about anywhere in the world.


The battery is protected by a carbon cover (left), and the whole thing pops off with a half-turn of a 4mm hex key. The display unit (right) tells you which of the three modes you're in, battery life, and cadence.


Foley also said that integration was a big part of the Heckler's development, with their goal being to offer an e-bike that still looks like a mountain bike. Sure, the downtube has that 'I'm carrying triplets' thing going on, but the whole package is sleeker than a lot of other rolling disasters out there.

Santa Cruz employed some tricks to do it, including a carbon shield over the 504wh battery, a battery that can be removed with just a half-turn of a single 4mm hex key.


Nope, this ain't SWAT. The Shimano battery clips into place inside of the downtube, and cables are zip-tied in place.

Cables run internally and are still easy to deal with.


Also in the name of integration, the 800mm wide house-brand handlebar has channels and ports molded into it for cables (it'll work well with Di2, too), and the E-8000 display is small and easy to read. They've also used the smaller E-7000 remote rather than the larger E-8000 unit because the former won't get in the way of your dropper post lever. The two-button remote isn't exactly invisible or that nice looking, but it does tuck right up against the grip.



The Heckler's VPP system delivers 150mm of travel and is tailored to work with the Shimano motor.

Revised lower-link VPP suspension

The 150mm-travel e-bike was always going to use the VPP system that you'll also see on most of their traditional rigs, but that was easier said than done with a motor included in the design. Foley needed to keep the same basic silhouette as the Bronson, including the low-mounted shock that passes through a carbon tunnel at the bottom of the seat tube and the lower link that compresses it, while also not adding too much length to the back of the bike.

''I was allowed a ton of time and got a ton of help from other engineers here on how to situate everything, fit the links over the motor and, at the end of the day, maintaining the same seatpost insertion on this bike as the Bronson,'' he said of the challenge.

In fact, the Bronson showed up in 2018, a year after Santa Cruz's e-bike project had begun in secrecy, and the two bikes share the same shock size, stroke, and essentially the same tune. The non-motorized bike gets a sealed bearing in the rearward shock eyelet that the Heckler skips for clearance reasons, and the Heckler's shock tunnel is a bit lower, but they appear to be closely related brothers otherwise.
Santa Cruz says they can use less anti-squat because the motor is helping your cause as well.

Brothers or not, suspension kinematics is a game of millimeters and Foley knew that a motor-assist would require less anti-squat than the Bronson uses: "You have added load on the chain because the motor's driving it as well as you, so we didn't need as much anti-squat because it gets amplified by the motor to still keep it riding like our pedal bikes.'' What's the number? I don't know - Santa Cruz didn't want to share that - but I was told that the Heckler delivers a more active, forgiving ride that's intended to work well with the electric assistance.



Bronson-ish geometry

With Santa Cruz's goal of making it ride like the Bronson, it's no surprise to see that the Heckler's geometry is close to its more traditional brother.

The head angle sits a 65.5-degrees (the Bronson's is 65.4 in the 'Hi' setting), while a size-large gets a 465mm reach (6mm longer than the Hi Bronson). The new bike's 135mm headtube is 5mm longer and, because of that pesky motor, the 445mm chainstay length is 15mm longer. That adds up to a 1,237mm wheelbase for a large.

So, why didn't they add more length and subtract more head angle to make their first e-bike even more of a speed machine, as some other brands are doing? Again, that wouldn't be very Bronson-y, of course. "The big thing was making this bike ultra-playful,'' Foley reiterated.

''We wanted it to be nimble like a Bronson and just super fun to ride," which meant 27.5" rather than 29" wheels and the longer rear-end that would have come along with them.



It ain't pretty, but it got the job done. The aluminum Heckler mule was a big factor in the bike's development.


The Heckler prototype

Back in early 2018, before anyone had even seen the Bronson outside of the company, lead engineer Aaron Foley and other Santa Cruz employees traveled to Scotland with a very important bike box. Inside was the original Heckler e-bike mule, aluminum front to back and not looking much like the relatively sleek carbon production version shown here.

The idea was to put time on it without needing to worry about who might snap a photo (I suggested they do future prototype testing in Squamish, BC, close to my house), and that trip also convinced any doubters left in the team.


Packaging the lower-link VPP system with a motor in the frame wasn't easy.


The blacked-out prototype had its Shimano battery bolted to the top of the downtube (pictured below in a photo supplied by Santa Cruz), and it was so early in the bike's development that they hadn't locked down the exact amount of travel yet. Different shock sizes were being tested, too, hence the bolt-on forward mount.






What's it like to ride?

I was all too happy to get a break from the Pacific Northwest's non-stop winter rains and head south to Santa Cruz HQ to spend a day learning about the new Heckler and a day riding it on their local trails while wondering what poison oak looks like. I didn't find any, but I did find that the Heckler feels a lot like a normal, albeit chubby mountain bike that's powered by a bottle of electric NOS.

Santa Cruz isn't quite as out-there with their geometry as some brands, but their numbers do tend to suit me, especially the 465mm reach that feels oh so right. If they had decided to add more length to the bike, I suspect that its size would, in combination with the 46lb weight, result in the Heckler feeling like a bit of a land yacht. The weight isn't invisible, of course, but the handling is very much Santa Cruz in that it's not going to be too floppy or too pointy; they do well when it comes to middle-of-the-road steering that simply works well in a lot of places for a lot of people. The Heckler seems to be no different.

Onto the e-stuff. Shimano's Steps system has very little lag and gets spinning quickly when you load the pedals, but it isn't exactly quiet. You can hear the motor's whine over everything else that's happening, but that's the case with every e-bike. A silent drive system would be nice, but it's probably a way off still. A few tech details to note about the cockpit: The smaller E-7000 remote uses two buttons to toggle between Eco, Trail, and Boost, and it's easy to reach while not interfering with the dropper post lever. Also, the view from the driver's seat looks relatively normal thanks to the small display and no rat's nest of wires.

One thing's for sure: It feels like a very capable e-bike, and I'm not talking about the climbs. The 46lb weight, with most of it low between the axles, makes for a 150mm-travel bike that holds a line like it has an extra 20mm and the stickiest of rubber. Edges from roots and rocks that might make a traditional bike shimmy a bit do next to nothing to the Heckler, and the suspension delivers a relatively deep feeling ride that helps that cause. As with any e-bike, staying seating and spinning will get you farther than big out-of-the-saddle efforts. Instead, save those efforts and let the motor do more of the work for you.

A single, two-hour test ride on foreign trails doesn't cut it, though, so we'll be getting a Heckler in for a long-term review.







573 Comments

  • 904 32
 Thay should have ran 29" wheels and called it the "Lazyboy"instead of the "Tallboy"..
  • 152 8
 Or the tower of power. Or power tower?
  • 157 3
 E version of the megatower will be called megapower.
  • 37 1
 @bonfire: Powertower gets my vote.
  • 90 0
 @chyu: cant believe no one has called their ebike a power ranger.
  • 39 26
 Maybe they should have called this the High-tower, because that’s what you have to be to release this pregnant jalopy.
  • 6 1
 Powerboy!
  • 26 46
flag headshot (Feb 11, 2020 at 2:45) (Below Threshold)
 So much hate for this machine which to be fair, looks like a portly Nomad, just as many other eBikes look like their pedal bike siblings on KFC. Perhaps this hate has to do with the fact that Spaz have made an eBike that almost looks like a real bike and this one still looks like an eBike?. Could it be that some eBike haters on PB have only ever hated eBikes because of their looks and because they really wanted to enjoy an advantage over their fellows while pretending to ride a real bike? Shame on you...
  • 58 17
 Come on - Heckler is a very cunning name for their First E-bike. I just wish they made 180 Nomad and called it Huckler
  • 12 14
 @headshot: exactly. Looks like a Nomad with a SC.W.A.T Box
@qirill - how about Yeahboi - 26" for kids. Would be damn awesome. Come on SC you can do it! 24" and 26" bikes for kids, call them Yeahboi!
  • 35 4
 LazEboy
  • 1 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I don’t doubt they make an eNomad “VP-Free”
  • 5 2
 Gigity Gigity
  • 1 1
 That’s awesome!!
  • 2 2
 Skip all the bullsh** and call it Stomatologist
  • 11 1
 @bonfire: Frank Zappa has the jingle covered: "I can take about an hour on the tower of power, as long as I gets a little golden shower"
  • 7 1
 @jollyXroger: The Juliana e-bike version will be called Mega-wand.
  • 4 0
 FattE? There are plenty of Welsh boys who would love to be one of FattE’s boys.
  • 3 2
 @karoliusz:
You had it right with just Bullsh**.
  • 11 1
 @qirill: what about Powerbottom?
  • 2 0
 Forreal
  • 2 0
 @Skabbi: he was delightfully sick eh?
  • 2 3
 Nah...The 27.5 Heckler is the perfect resurrection if the face of all the e-bikes that existed before SCB finally jumped on the bandwagon.
  • 44 1
 It's not a SWAT box, it's a Watt box
  • 16 19
 @emptybox: 500k internet points for that!
  • 3 0
 @bonfire: I would buy the tower of power just for the name.
  • 1 2
 The heckler legacy just got elerctfied
  • 1 1
 Electric Boy
  • 3 0
 @bonfire: Power Pig
  • 1 0
 @will-burr: This was funny.
  • 3 1
 Laz-eboy
  • 1 0
 @butters1996: You're still a young man...
  • 1 0
 Bleckler
  • 1 1
 Ill wait for the EV10! DH all day, everyday!
  • 3 0
 @emptybox: Twat box
  • 1 0
 @headshot: no they dont hate them they just want names for yhe bicycles that energize the redundancy and goofiness of the bicycle. Its a shitless horse c'mon. Also enjoying an advantage in cycling is pretty much just being richer so what are you a dentist or a hedge funder??
  • 2 1
 @Skabbi: hey there people I’m Bobby Brown
  • 1 0
 HighPower
  • 1 0
 Mark Weir wishes he rode this instead of the Spesh at Rubicon!
  • 1 0
 @ImAManCheetah88: you win the internet for today.
  • 1 0
 @will-burr: wowzers, you'd be selling batteries by the case.
  • 1 0
 Agreed! How sweet would it bee to be able to do 20 mile ride with your kids @WAKIdesigns:
  • 453 26
 Imagine working in the Santa Cruz marketing department last week. On Monday you’re all excited about promoting your first ebike. Then on Tuesday Specialized drop the Levo SL, and you realise you have to try to promote this ugly mutant.
  • 23 0
 PB comments gold
  • 68 17
 Bro! Your Bronson has a Toooomah!
  • 2 0
 Exactly what I was thinking hahaha
  • 4 2
 Ha. Clever paint scheme though to hide the baby bump
  • 113 29
 It looks like they were uncomfortable with where to put the Santa Cruz logo on that obese downtube. Horizontally centered and bottom vertical wasn't the right choice.

This is just sad. Progressive punk mtb company now making behind-the-curve bikes for rich boomers. Not that being a brand loyalist is a good thing, but I was a SC loyalist. 5 of their bikes in a row, and the first was a Heckler. Now they name this boomer scooter the HECKLER?

I'm walking away in the rain with a sad face.
  • 48 6
 Ain’t that the truth. That Levo has made every current eBike look like they’ve got the whole concept wrong. Motor size, weight, battery size, modular batteries etc. It makes far more sense.

“Boomer scooter” genius dude.
  • 38 0
 @gumbytex: upside for Santa Cruz... The people who are old enough to have bought the first Hecklers are now in the age group that is looking at the new Heckler...
  • 17 5
 @jclnv: I have no interest in the Levo SL with a weak battery only good for a short ride. But but love my Kenevo. 150-160 mm e bikes just don't excite me when I ride then. DH is where the fun is and I'll take the extra weight for a longer ride, slack head angle, and stronger and more capable bike.
  • 14 18
flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 11, 2020 at 7:58) (Below Threshold)
 @ButtermilkBar: some people don’t have more than 2h for a weekday ride due to job obligations, maybe even weekend ride due to family obligations. My problem with SL is that you can’t take out the battery, which would civilize the bike almost completely for lift assisted riding. DH bike is hard enough to pick it up from the ground on DH tracks, add some motor and you are stuck on the ground with only kinetic energy coming from full tilt speed allowing for a good pop. Not everyone is fine with that.
  • 2 0
 @ButtermilkBar: Fair enough. I don’t need a motor full stop, but the Levo is at least more like a trail bike that I would ride.
  • 22 16
 Santa Cruz available at Walmart in 3... 2... 1....
  • 6 5
 @PocoBoho: I cant stand that colour. I love yellow but this is off the mark. I want my yellow to be warm and happy by pushing closer to orange than green. This was a popular colour for a while but now it feel dated and so does the bike. It looks like a 2005 Cervelo TT bike.
  • 3 3
 @gumbytex: that was what the marketing achie was all about. Mass produced as been the SC way since carbon frames
  • 10 6
 Then you realize you still work for Santa Cruz and not Specialized, so all is good.
  • 1 1
 Spesh just neglected all ebikes press releases for the year or 2;

Comparing to big S rest does not look for 10k
  • 7 2
 Even the prototype mule looks better than this thing.
  • 6 0
 @gumbytex: nah i bet you still buy a santa cruz next year....
  • 2 1
 It was not a surprise.... to either brand.
  • 11 5
 @gumbytex: “Boomer scooter” = gold. Well played.
  • 7 0
 @jclnv: sorta. depends where you can ride it. Around me, we have steep, rugged moto trails all throughout the mountains. Really fun to ride on an ebike as well, but everyone who has ridden one or owns one around here wants plenty of power and wishes the batteries had more range. 6000ft+, 35+ mile rides where you are maxing your heart rate trying to "speed trials" up super technical moto climbs in boost mode necessitate different things than trying to have "a little extra" for flowy mtb trails
  • 14 25
flag carbonbootprint (Feb 11, 2020 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 @gumbytex: BOOMER SCOOTER! Kook chariot, moped, Fruit scoots, whatever you call them, they aren’t mountain bikes. They’re mopeds by definition. f*cking dweebs zooming around on their whiz-springers need to take this content elsewhere. Deeply triggered here
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I can understand why that option of removing the battery appeals to some but I think its more of a niche and most riders just want to leave it in the whole time they ride. As the weight of e bikes comes down and the batteries improve I think there will be even less appeal for it but we'll see. So far I've kept my old DH bike in case I ever want to go to a bike park or shuttle but I'm getting pretty hooked on the e bike. The extra weight isn't ideal but the trade-off is more than worth it, e bikes feel unstoppable... until the battery runs out.
  • 8 0
 @ButtermilkBar: it limits the places you can take the bike.

How are you going to ship that bike from NA to Europe? Take the motor out and get a battery refitted on the other side of the pond?

There's just so many reasons to have a removable battery and the fact they aren't allowed on planes is in the top 5
  • 4 10
flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 11, 2020 at 10:17) (Below Threshold)
 @ButtermilkBar: that is why Fazua system is the best but for some reason it is unpopular. It is the most versatile, you remove both motor and battery. When you tun out of power you can decouple the motor and pedal with absolutely minimal drag caused by the gearbox.

www.fazua.com/en
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: this is the way ebikes should be going, more towards added versatility and away from proprietary internal non-removable batteries.
  • 5 0
 except for the fact that hardly anyone riding an ebike wants an underpowered one just for the sake of weight. Doesn't do much for you. Most of us want more battery life, weight be damned. NEED MORE DOWNHILL.
  • 3 1
 @carbonbootprint: Translation......cant afford one
  • 3 6
 @ranke: what sort of downhill? Come on... this silly show Steve Jones is putting up in EMBN? I love the guy but I haven’t seen him off the ground on any other occasion than when he rode the Sender for comparison with ebike and that was one damn stretch of an experiment. Sure not everyone likes to be in the air, heh I assume That statistically very few do, but there’s value in the option of having a “light” e-bike. As I said, regular DH bike is heavy enough for a mortal to keep it agile and bouncy, 12-15 more lbs is just no bueno for anyone with a bit of finesse over bulldozing. I respect bulldozing. But I’d rather have 3-5 runs feeling like normal bike, than 7-10 on a mother of five. I don’t have time to ride Many afternoon runs either. Being fit I am fine with less power.
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: common Specialized were one of first with levo and DH-oriented Kenevo, then they put motor onto Road bike, and year after put same motor and battery into Stumpjumper. Nothing, but evolution...
  • 5 0
 @Cheddar420: The biggest reason for a removable battery for me is that batteries age and lose charge. In 5 years when it's cold out and your bike quickly runs out of power because the battery is knackered I like the idea of having the option to easily replace it rather than have a very heavy paperweight of a bike...

Saying that I'm still not convinced of ebikes making a good long term ownership prospect - on top of normal running costs the idea of having to replace a not inexpensive battery in a few years (or your bike listing a large chunk of its second hand value) does not appeal...
  • 7 3
 @carbonbootprint: triggered indeed! I didn’t realize that butthurt snowflakes could also be 90’s era retro grouches too. Have fun on your 26” Bear Valley, ya flange.
  • 3 9
flag tjallen (Feb 11, 2020 at 13:31) (Below Threshold)
 @spudhimself: the real snowflakes are the people who are so triggered by the fact that other people don’t love ebikes.
  • 5 6
 @tjallen: “the real snowflakes”, hmmm? That’s super cute, sweetie pie. Maybe stick to reviewing things you know, like Huggies pull ups or whatever.
  • 2 0
 @NorthEasternDownhiller: nope. Just bought a not-santa-cruz bike. The Megatower was a maybe but the Geo was, well, behind the curve.
  • 1 0
 You just pack the battery separate. Reason 438 why the rocky isn’t that great. Best bet will be with a maxed out motor in the class 1 ebike category with modular stackable battery packs. As battery tech gets better you won’t be stuck with a dinosaur. But that’s just imo @Cheddar420:
  • 2 3
 @IcedCoffee1967: Translation: I’m not a 65 year old retiree, and I’m not living with a physical disability. And of course I can’t afford one, I’m 9 years old dipshit.
  • 2 0
 @speedshifter: The modular batteries are pretty clever.
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: they are perfect for rent, since you cannot fly with them, also in case you ride daily on ebike - worth investment, 1 per month - rent them
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: owning second dh specific bike is not that expensive; for me ebike - is more about local tracks where Is no lift, for shuttle days i’ll bring my ‘outdatednonpedallable’ bike
  • 1 0
 Genuinely curious. Who is this marketed towards? Of course this is fairly new tech and as such its expensive, but at the price tested you could buy a KTM Freeride E-XC for a few hundred cheaper. Seems like the full e-moto would be a better choice at this price point. Could this be oriented more towards e-bike competition? I want 40ft doubles in ebike DH
  • 3 4
 @gumbytex: Rich Boomers? No, rich boomers are riding golf carts, not bikes. This is for lazy young people.
  • 4 0
 @SacAssassin: same argument why not to buy a car for same price? Emtb is not a moto, absolutely different experience
  • 1 2
 @nickmalysh: Eh? You can’t take a car on MTB trails. It’d be easy to take a KTM E-XC on the trails without people knowing the difference between it and the boomer scooter with pedals above.
  • 3 1
 @jclnv: except that the KTM doesn't have pedals and goes way faster.... And the KTM doesn't even look remotely close to an MTB... In fact, it looks more like a gas powered KTM... But, other than that....
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: agreed I’d much rather session some corners on my hardtail than ride an ebike. I’ve only ridden a few ebikes but ever single one felt like a demo 9 with 32mm rs revs chucked on the front. Awesome for getting up fireroads but absolutely horrible at everything else.
  • 5 0
 @SlodownU: I see a ton of Boomers who are hanging up the clubs in favour of MTB. Also a rapidly growing number on ebikes in my area
  • 3 0
 @lumpy873: no i am 57 years old, i had the first heckler in 98 and now i have a nomad 4 and a 5010, no scooter for me ....- ..
  • 2 0
 @lumpy873: True, they look different but the e-motos are quiet as hell. Some chain noise and suspension noise. Replace the footpegs with some Tmacs, and noone will know the difference.
  • 1 1
 @lumpy873: But it makes no noise. For most people that’s 90% of the similarity between it and a bicycle.
  • 2 1
 doubtful... unless the most people you refer to include the blind population of America.. I'm sure lack of noise is something electric motorcycle people are using to get more land to ride on..
  • 1 0
 @lumpy873: I think you overestimate the non-MTB population.
  • 1 1
 @gumbytex: Boomer Scooter HAHAHA
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: You just get it n a bike bag and say it's a normal bike. Works like a charm,
  • 1 0
 @gumbytex: speaking the gospel!
  • 2 0
 @SacAssassin: Marketed towards me.
Only get 2hrs to ride between work and family life so prefer to double the miles and triple the feet of vertical each ride.

Owning a Kenevo since end 2017, sold the Enduro and DH rig and ended up fitter, stronger and with more skills riding an ebike. Simple reasons, more gravity per ride, more distance per ride, the motor only helps your legs - core and upper body gets hammered on the much longer rides and handling a 24kg bike.

Once kids get older I may get an enduro again as well.
  • 1 0
 @SimonTC: cannot upvote twice, it is like bikepark riding is cheating since you take a rest when you are traveling up the hill, you can technically pedal to the top
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh: if you choose too.
  • 2 1
 @ButtermilkBar: ya I agree, guys who were talking waste, now love the sl then once they ride with the better battery and better motor, they are gonna have a sad face and have to buy another...its amazing that people still dont get the up part of the ride, going up super tech uphills is where these bikes shine not roads or climbing trails, those are for people who like riding at walking speed, ha ha
  • 1 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm a little tired of hearing of your 2 hour ride limitations and your complaining about bikes and bike parts that aren't designed for your lame schedule. I noticed you didn't respond to another pinkbike user recently saying you have the body of a 60 year old grandma and ride like a commuter.

@norona Agreed, Specialized is gonna make more money selling aftermarket batteries for the new Levo than they will off the bikes. Only after the owners buy their 3rd battery will they realize they are tired of buying and changing batteries and they will want a heavier e bike.
  • 128 9
 Just how big will the purists meltdown be?
  • 25 7
 As the old saying goes...if you can't beat them — join them.
  • 36 6
 They're a business first and with that kind of brand power it would be basically irresponsible not to sell ebikes. The packaging of it could be better though.
  • 8 0
 Very truth, especially when part of a huge company like PON @friendlyfoe:
  • 20 11
 It will be almost as big as their own hypocrisy in 20 years time when their knees / back packs up and they buy one for themselves
  • 33 7
 @jamessmurthwaite: But then they'll have to find something else to complain about.

That's okay, I'm sure Pivot will announce some new build they won't be able to afford. That'll keep them busy!
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 It's more disappointment than meltdown.
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 Haha! Yep. I remember a year or two ago people were on here saying how they won’t buy from a company that makes Ebikes. Looks like a lot of people are going to have to quit buying bikes.
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flag kilpatrick (Feb 11, 2020 at 7:30) (Below Threshold)
 @TheR: really disappointed. I bought a santa cruz in october partly because they were one of the few brands not flogging electric bicycles.
  • 7 2
 Hopefully big enough that they'll all dump their bikes and I can score a Bronson 3 for cheeeeeap!!
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 @jamessmurthwaite: I always flirt with putting on the filter but then have second thoughts. It’s like the friends on Facebook who constantly post dumb political memes and links to fake news articles. There is an urge to just block them but at the same time I feel a need to monitor just how dumb people are getting. I don’t want to be caught off guard if I see these people in real life.
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 @jamessmurthwaite: ooh thanks for this! filters activate!!!!
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 @jamessmurthwaite: If I filtered out eMTB articles I wouldn't be able to find articles to complain on
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 @TheR: I remember a lot of folks specifically naming Santa Cruz as their go-to e-bike holdout and I have to imagine those people's days are either going a little poorly right now or they've already neatly compartmentalized the entire ordeal and are carrying on as if nothing happened.
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 @fullfacemike: all bike brands are trying to sell bikes. That’s it Even the ‘cool’ brands who are going against the grain. That’s just their angle to sell you a bike.
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 @fullfacemike: The way I see it, their dilemma is this:

Cave and start buying bikes from companies that sell e-bikes, or...

Keep it real and buy a Yeti, but look like a dentist in the process.

What's a dude-bro to do, bro?
  • 7 0
 @TheR: And to think mountain biking was once about going outside and having fun. How quaint!
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 @kilpatrick: Not sure why you are getting neg propped here, what's wrong with supporting a business based on how it aligns with your ideals?
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 @sino428: ya that's the stuff that made me delete my facebook account.

Now i have a fake account to log into games and comment sometimes.
  • 1 1
 i know. the fanboi's last bastion is yeti (for now) and then they'll all be called dentists and have to put up with people thinking they're rich and suck at riding just because they spend their hard earned cash on their favorite pastime. oh the sadness.
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 @jamessmurthwaite: The filter doesn't really work - because I got a link to this article in another story.
  • 4 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: but how will I bitch about it if I don’t see it.
  • 4 0
 @TheR: yeeeeesssss I love this so much lol
  • 2 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: how many users have actually enabled that feature?
  • 3 5
 @pinhead907: I guess it's too late to suggest not clicking the link and way too late to say don't comment on the article.
  • 2 3
 @fullfacemike: sorry for trying give some feedback bro. Carry on with your moped discussion.
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 in 5 years half of the bikes will be mopeds. So when I’m 40 they will be a pure moped factory?
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 You’re all a bunch of whiny little hypocrite bitches. 7 years ago every one of you said exactly the same things regarding 29ers. Ridiculous. WTF do you care if someone else enjoys an ebike?
  • 4 0
 Theres still also Banshee, Gurrilla Gravity, Canfield, and Knolly
  • 7 4
 Purists? You mean fit people who can pedal a bike?
  • 3 2
 @SlodownU: purists meaning people who think household brands should stay exactly the way they are
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 @friendlyfoe: Santa Cruz isn’t exactly a household name. They’re like the 3rd biggest bike company in the world trying to play catch-up.
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 @SlodownU: Hmm, it's almost like the sport of bicycling revolves around pedaling a bike, and by changing that you change the nature of the activity. So many issues would be solved by keeping electronic bikes separated from normal bikes, but ebike fanboys just can't accept that because they know it means more work for them. Why be their own advocates when they can leech off of others even if it means hurting the host in the process? Complete false-equivalence to call ebikes mountain bikes. OK rant over.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: you know that you have to pedal an ebike to make it go, right? That’s literally the definition of one, without having to pedal to make it go, it’s an electric motorcycle...
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 @intensemack10: always a positive side.
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 @tomhoward379: don’t waste your time.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: As someone into my second decade of mtb trail advocacy how about you get into your head that most ebike riders dropping $10+ on an ebike are already mountain bike riders, myself included.

The Kenevo just simplified my bike quiver, sold the Enduro and DH rig and now self shuttle. And XC nothingness is now enjoyable at speed while on the way to fun descents.

Ebikes are one of our key advocacy tools we use to get National Parks managers out on the trails to see first hand what needs to be done to solve issues. On these we can cover more ground and it evens out the fitness equation on these shorter rides.
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 Specialized has moved the game on. Unlucky Santa Cruz...try again....
  • 11 1
 my thoughts too. At that price tag u better offer in-house systems perfectly matched to the rest of the bike.
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 True.-
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 No, get off the koolaid, bra. Most people don't want an eBike with a tiny battery and less power and duration. Besides, this is 10 000 cheaper than the SL limited edition.
  • 35 6
 @headshot: they do want one that is 3 kilos lighter, and looks more like a regular trail bike though. There's nothing new with SCs offering here that wasn't available 3 years ago, on a Levo.
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 27.5?when the market is moving to 29.... pretty heavy too
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 Lapierre started it first, and no one talk about that
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 @yeti85: Next e-mtb milestone: replace a derailleur-cassette gear system with a motor-gearbox integrated one.
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 @tomhoward379: I think that’s accurate for a lot of people. I have a friend from Moto-x and he loves the heavy bike, big power (de-restricted) and long battery life. I however, being a mtber, want something lighter and more like a real bike, that just offers some level of uplift assistance.
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 @headshot: COmpare it against the normal Levo. Then sadly the Heckler is outgunned and priced very similarly
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 Agree
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 @tomhoward379: only it wont be in having the motor replaced 3 times a year. and might have power outputs that arent pure fantasy.
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 @tobiusmaximum: its down to more than weight, i tried a kenevo which was like riding a bouncy castle with a hinge in the middle, then tried an orbea wild FS, even though the wild is only maybe a kilo lighter it was a totally different bike, nimble, stiff and super easy to get around switchbacks, only time it didnt feel like a normal bike was trying to sprint on flatter section where the weight was more apparent.
  • 1 0
 the ZA boys getting a little hot under the collar here! the thursday group night ride is going to be quite tense this week.
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 @GumptionZA: E-bike vs Normal bike is how we train!
I have to say...our nightrides often includes e-bikes and normal bikes in one mix..at the end everyone enjoys the beer and pizza and some argue about something else..
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 @b45her: motor?
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 @brncr6: bosch gen 4 in the orbea, stomps all over any brose i have ever tried, i have no idea where the brose guys get their torque readings done but there is no way on earth a brose is anywhere near a bosch's output turbo on the kenevo is about equal to tour mode on a gen 4 bosch. then theres the emtb mode which is essentially traction control, it can get youup rediculous climbs.
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 @b45her: i don't own an e-bike, but from what i'm told the issue for everything else is that its easy to derestrict the brose, which then blows everything else out the water. but i'm going off hearsay tbh. (and yes, as you say, a derestricted brose will tend to wheelspin on steep/slippery climbs)
  • 1 2
 The end of an age.
  • 1 0
 @christiaan: Agreed, he talked about the chainstays when mentioning playfulness, just make it a mullet. Boom, you get the next mtb trend and something that's already tested in the market by other E-Bikes.
  • 2 0
 How they moved the game, by making you to pay extra for external battery you put in your bottle cage as the little battery in frame has not enough power? WOW, good job Big Grin
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 @purplegorillaz: That's because Lapierre bikes are no longer available in North America. I agree, the E-Zesty AM LTD Ultimate did look nice though and weighed maybe 38-40lbs?

However, the new Levo SL looks amazing for a EMTB. 36-37lbs for a full suspension EMTB with this sleek of lines deserves a lot of credit and is impressive. Making a motor lighter than the Fazua and more powerful is another great accomplishment by Specialized. With all the other bike manufacturers now making EMTB's, you wondered if Specialized would get knocked off the top of the hill, but not now. The Turbo SL has changed the EMTB market and I definitely like how quickly it is now moving. If not for the high prices, even the non-sayers probably want to try this bike (although they may not admit it...)

Too bad Santa Cruz, as I see why everyone is laughing and "HECKLING" at you. Shimano really needs to step up and make a lighter motor and especially a sleeker battery, as that downtube look awfully "porky"...
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 @RowdyAirTime: There's only so small you can make a 18650 battery pack. That's why the Specialized crew took a chunk of the batteries out of the downtube and put it into the bottle holder, find a way to put those batteries in the frame and we're at the same spot.

While that motor may be lighter I'd question it's potential longevity with that noise. That's concerning. Electric motors should be quiet. There's something wrong there.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: derestricting the brose simply takes away the speed limiter, does nothing to the torque and still has no where near the support of a bosch system.
  • 1 0
 @b45her: ah okay, i see. i'm learning, its all new to me. what do you mean by support? presumably not after sales support, because apparently specialized/brose are nailing that.
  • 2 0
 @purplegorillaz: Because the Lapierre isn't available in the Hateful States.
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 @tobiusmaximum: support as in help up the hill, spes should have the warranty back up nailed through sheer repetition by now the failure rate on levo motors is staggering.
  • 3 0
 @b45her: quite frankly you're wrong, but not entirely. The Levo and Kenevo definitely have more torque than the Bosch, but the Levo will power down its 90Nm when ridden in Turbo for too long to avoid overheating. Bosch with its 70Nm would do the same but will probably last longer. Between Bosch Gen 3 and Gen 4 there is no real difference in power output and torque. The new Bosch just got smaller and lighter. The Bosch is an excellent motor and so is Specialized's Brose. I'd say everybody should try both and then decide which suits them better. For the current Shimano motor that SC are using; outdated, unfortunately.
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 @TinuKu: they must power down pretty damn quickly then because i'm yet to ride a brose motor that feels even close to a bosch, maybe they measure that 90nm at the output shaft of the motor rather than the crank shaft.
also never realised they overheated, that may explain why so many fail.
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 Some e-bikes are actually looking really good these days. This isn’t one of them.
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 :-)
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 This ugly and already dated offering is what happens when a company comes to market late, reluctantly and clearly without the unanimous backing of the board.... Santa Cruz have been too close and emotionally attached to MTB...it's clouded their judgement. You can see the difference with some others......in the case of Specialized their enthusiasm for their products is obvious and it's why they are leading the way. Being too purist and snobby about this has resulted in a product that screams 'Go on then, if you must be a tosser, we have produced something for you' . You sense they will regard the buyers of this bike with disdain.... Perhaps they were better to stick to their core if their heart isn't really in it......
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flag Leppah (Feb 11, 2020 at 6:11) (Below Threshold)
 Weren't they kinda the same way with 29ers when they became the rage? It seemed like SC lagged big time with upcoming trends a while back.
  • 14 0
 @Leppah: Huh? The Tallboy was one of the first highly received 29ers.
  • 4 0
 @Leppah: SC were one of the first that had a really good 29er. The Tallboy
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 A company that is close and emotionally attached to mtb is what I want ,not making bikes purely for the profit and to attract people who cant be bothered to put the grunt in to get to the top ,e bikes are for professionals training to get necessary runs in and the old and disabled , I wonder if rock climbers will start attaching Winches to ropes to lessen their burden ,cheating ?noooo !! more climbs bro!
  • 3 2
 @unleash: I guess you're running out of bike brands then
  • 2 0
 @unleash: winches on ropes sounds cooler than ebikes. I suck at climbing so I could keep up.
  • 2 0
 It won't matter. Old rich dudes will buy this because it says Santa Cruz on it.
  • 4 0
 I ride Ebikes and drive EV cars....... that is the best analysis on this thread. It is like GM reluctantly building an EV for compliance reasons while Tesla is "giving it everything shes got captain!" It shows in the final product. This is basically a 2017 VPP Pivot Shuttle.
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 @Leppah: um, v10 29er? Remember when that pushed the needle in dh?
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 An insult to the model name, call it the Megawatt or something else , either way its feckin ugly
  • 18 0
 I thought Power Tower would have been a better name
  • 6 0
 The 1.21 gigawatts
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 Did you actually ride a Heckler? It was atrocious. This is the perfect name on many levels.
  • 24 0
 @Pyres: it reaches 88 haters an hour
  • 3 0
 Megapow3r is better
  • 6 0
 @sewer-rat in french Hecler is read "éclair" that means "lightning". Or a creamy pastry. So it's pretty appropriate from here.
  • 1 0
 @fracasnoxteam: wait wait wait Lightning and creamy pastry are the same word? Why haven't I seen this on Miraculous Ladybug (Miraculous, les aventures de Ladybug et Chat Noir)?
  • 1 0
 @MattyBoyR6: try Google "éclair orage" and then "éclair chocolat". :-)
  • 2 0
 well...at least it weights the same as the original Razz
  • 1 0
 Correct.If SC would build a Heckler like the one I still ride from 2014 and modernize it a bit it would kill every budget mail order bike on the market period.I think they believe simple won't sell.
  • 40 2
 All for under $13, 000.00 Bucks!!! YES!!!
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 Well it's cheaper than a specialized...
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 @inked-up-metalhead: It's 3kg heavier, doesn't have an in-house motor, and looks like an ebike...
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 I recently got into XC dirtbikes instead of going the eMtb crap, got a used bike for a decent price and once I will want a brand new one it will still cost me less than eMtb, win-win really !
  • 3 0
 Well, it is an e-bike so why not
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 @tomhoward379: 3kg doesn't really matter on a ebike, I personally really like the low down weight of mine (merida e160), like, more than a lighter bike, makes it feel so planted and confident. An in-house motor is a good thing? I don't think so, not compared to one of the most common systems where spares are very readily available and not rediculous priced. Looks, yes, I'll admit the levo sl is incredibly sleek, to the point of it'd be hard to spot vs a stumpy from a distance, but considering the top spec of this is better specced, and over $3000 dollars price difference, I'd still say 'cheaper than a specialized...'
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 @inked-up-metalhead: 3kg more matter If you have to carry it up a flight of stairs or pick it up and put on or in a vehicle.
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 @jollyXroger: Yep but on the trails I personally like the weight apart from jumping. Gibes you way more confidence in the rough.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: folk used to say that about heavy DH bikes, then realised the weight has no benefit at all compared to a sorted bike
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flag headshot (Feb 11, 2020 at 2:39) (Below Threshold)
 @tomhoward379: Why do you want to hide the fact that you're riding an ebike? Huh? If you have a big battery and motor who cares if its heavier. Heavy bikes go faster downhill anyway. Go look at the Bikeradar Youtube channel for their recent Digital vs Bio bike test.
  • 3 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: specialized has 700Wh batteries in 2020 starting from cheap Levo comp...
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 @shooter7: yeah that's the one place shimano are missing out, but really it's a range extender they need, a 250wh piggyback battery. Norcos range vlt has that exact set up (ish, 650 normally, 350 extender, 1000wh total). As it is mines an external battery and I'm planning on picking up a second, I'll have over 1000wh then, only issue is 2.5kg in my bag, buy its not a massive issue to me.
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 @Balgaroth: Yes! I'm looking for a KTM 350 EXC-F for around-town and exploring up the mountains. I think slightly used are priced around $8k USD.
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 @inked-up-metalhead: For regular pedal bike, the difference between a light 24lb bike and over a 30lb bike is huge when riding, especially if you are a lighter weight rider. Even on a e-bike you will feel over 6.5lbs weight difference. Ride a 43lb EMTB and then ride a 50lb+ EMTB, and the difference will be quite noticeable..
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 2019: Ebikes weight leads to more stability with all that low down weight near the bottom bracket
2020: Ebikes are too heavy now, you'll definitely notice the weight difference on a bike with a motor.
2021: Ebikes have burnt down a major forrest and are banned because companies skimped on material to make the frames lighter making lithium ion powered vehicles inherently more dangerous for everyone.
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 @motard5: yes I'll take a CRF 450, KTM 690 Enduro or even an Africa twin before I spend that money on an Ebike
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 @tomhoward379: Specialized's 'in-house' motor is a German Mahle motor. Yes, the Heckler is 3kg heavier but it has a proper fork, shock, and tires that belong to an ebike while the Levo SL has everything you would complain about if they were on your regular trail bike...
If you look at the details, the SL's 35Nm Mahle motor is 800g lighter than E8000 and Bosch Gen 4 motors and the battery is smaller hence lighter. The rest of the weight savings come from 'undersized' components.
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 @inked-up-metalhead: How many times do you need more range than 504Wh? For me, it's enough and 3-5 times a year I'm taking a spare for longer tours, the rest of the time I swap it at home or at my car. With a bigger battery, you also have more weight and you carry it around all the time even if you don't use the full capacity of it...
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 @bikeinbih: you'd be surprised, I don't drive so my days are 20miles minimum, I can go out for less than 2 hours and do 3500ft of climbing and 20 miles, if I was out for 4 or 5 (like I will in summer) I'll be comfortable doing 40 to 50miles, which yes, you can do on a single battery, but that's leads to serious range anxiety (lol) and isn't as fun. I used to carry a 1.5kg Bluetooth speaker round, plus a seat and post (short seat tube on old bike, either climbing or descending height), and some other shite that I don't bother with these days, my bags easily 2.5kg lighter than it used to be, though if they did a 300wh battery that fit the same mounts I'd be all over that, I don't think I do need 1000wh but I'd definitely like at least 750.
  • 26 0
 Damn... damn boy........ damn boy, THAT’s A THICC ASS BOY!
  • 1 0
 E-thany Bike-tano here. Best teeth in the game.
  • 29 4
 Why does everyone get so emotional and salty over a bike? If you don't like it then don't buy it. Simple.
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 Because they're all a bunch of entitled man babies with safe spaces and lack emotional maturity. They dont have logical thinking skills.
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 What else are we supposed to do on the internet?
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 @Sardine: good point. I will try to be a little more salty with new bikes
  • 2 3
 It's the Pinkbike comment section, what do you expect? We're here to talk about bikes. Would 400 comments saying "Cool." be more to your liking?

Pinkbike commenters bitch, and companies sometimes listen. The system works! Sorta.

This bike is ugly, heavy, f*cking expensive, already dated, and not a real mountain bike. Next Smile !
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 @rezrov: I didn't say anything about commenting or sharing an opinion. I said emotional and salty.
  • 21 2
 Honestly even if money wasn't an issue... Who buys this things? Your average Joe getting into the sport is not going to dish out that amount of cash. So to all those that say "it's getting people into the sport" I say show me the numbers
  • 8 4
 Boomers get into sport as well, especially if the there is a workaround the fact that they have passed their biological prime. Gen X are on the other side of the life curve as well. There is a reason why e-bikes are such a huge business. You might want to rethink your "average Joe".
  • 13 0
 Boomers are all in for eMTB. In France that saved a lot of LBS : expensive bikes + customers attached to the traditonal shop model.
  • 10 4
 sales figures say differently, its all about how you perceive an ebiker, for me its simply a mobile uplift. if i have 2 hours spare time to ride and i can get 5 drops in rather than 2-3 then whats not to like? and im no newbie ive been riding mountain bikes since roughly when you were born and have ridden everything from rigid pieces of shit with 60mm bars right up to the engineering masterpieces that are around now.
  • 2 2
 Bingo. When people talk about more people being on the trails I point out that its the SAME users, just with DIFFERENT (~15lbs heavier) bike. Your average Joe is not gonna think the Decoy 29 @ $4,400 or a Fezzari Wire Peak @ $3,500 is a smoking deal.
  • 8 2
 I have yet to meet a new MTB’er, because of e-bikes. Everyone I know already rode MTB’s and are just adding another bike. They are all also in good health. The real reason people want E-bikes it to make climbing easier/faster, period. That’s it. Doesn’t matter if you are old, young, new or veteran. That’s it. So just admit it and stop saying silly things, like “limited time”, bad back/knees, gets new riders in. All silly talking points, and applies to about 2% of e-bikers, which isn’t enough market for all these expensive e-bikes. Moving on...
  • 2 2
 Mate you either don't have young kids, or have a very, very understanding partner. If I had the ridiculous coin they asked for one of these, I could get a few laps within the 1.5 h "opportunity windows" I get, while on my bike, I could barely make it to the top of the park in that time (so I ride only 3-4 times a month).
  • 3 0
 There’s a ton of ppl out there to whom $10k is just meh.
  • 9 0
 Locally, here is who buys e-bikes:
1. Late 50s to early 60s guys who have spent the last 10-15 years behind a desk and don't have the cardio to climb the hills anymore
2. Wives of those guys ^^^^
3. Self-shuttlers, often with young kids at home and almost no spare time - "...but with one of these I can get three laps done instead of one in the same time!"
4. Peeps that survived cancer, trauma [i.e. a car crash], lung disease, etc. and still want to ride
5. People that want to ride far but fast. One guy bought a spare battery so he could do 160km in a weekend, all offroad. Saw the map - middle of BF nowhere doesn't even begin to describe the route.

Nobody getting INTO mountain biking is getting ebikes, unless it's to lean against that jetski that they got 5 years ago and used once [but still have payments on]. Newbs buy mid-range hardtails or entry-level full-squish. Ebike customers are usually mid to late career people with disposable income and some free time who have been riding for quite a while. Retiring boomers sometimes buy TWO [2] ebikes - one for home, and one for their winter place in AZ [I shit you not]. Married couples will often buy ebikes together so they can climb at the same pace.

SRSLY, ebikes are pretty much the only growth area in bikes today, but maybe not where you think. When gravel ebikes [i.e. Spec. Creo] get a bit cheaper, then we'll maybe see a bit of an expansion. E-MTB is more about retention of existing consumers, as opposed to expanding markets.

$0.02, YMMV
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 @pinkrobe: I'd add a big category to your list, I personally know 5 guys, Mid 30's to late 40s who decided to sell their moto's and ride Ebikes. Excellent riders, just switched sports. For them, the Mid level Levo's are a fantastic entry bike/pricepoint. The seals been broke, nobody is really crying about a $5-10k price tag. I think you'll see a lot more movement from that direction. Ex Moto guys getting into Ebikes(cue crying about purity and sanctity)
  • 20 3
 It's crazy how many people here fell for the Levo's press release. It wasn't even a review, it was a press release that every website ran, virtually identical pieces.

There's so many negatives, the in house motor's crap you can hear it, the reduced battery life, the proprietary battery that will cost $1000 in labour to replace out of warranty. They are charging $450 USD for a 150Wh battery what do you think the whole internal battery replacement costs out of warranty?

The praise for the weight really gets me, it's an ebike, the weight doesn't matter. It also means a bike with all this extra heavy gear tacked onto it (motor/battery) has less material strength...You're paying more to use less carbon and make the bike weaker. The weight is negated by the motor anyways, so why spend a tonne more for a slimmed down package with a myriad of compromises to meet that criteria?

Then it's the giving this bike shit for it's aesthetics when there's reasons for that, it's a more versatile platform with more battery power, a better motor, and removable/swappable batteries for longer outtings, which is pretty much the #1 reason people buy ebikes.

The Santa Cruz also has a bottle holder the specialized has a battery holder. Think about it, if you're going for a long ride you need hydration, if you're going on a long ride on the specialized that's where your battery goes... the logic lol.

The Levo SL is a designers bike, it has very little practical aspects to it, it looks nice.

If you're looking for an ebike to actually ride it would be stupid to buy the Levo it's got so many negatives. If you want to look at it, well it can't be beat.
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 @Cheddar420 The 'in-house' motor is a German Mahle motor that has ~1/3 of the torque of a normal Levo motor. It's 800g lighter and the rest of the weight savings come from the smaller battery and the 'undersized' XC components. Also, only the $15k model is 17kg the rest is over 18kg...
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 @Cheddar420 the Stumpy SL is the bike that is going to make the regular trail bike obsolete. I have one and the thing kills climbs and demolishes DHs with a more aggressive geo than the 29er Stumpy non-E eversion. I've ridden nearly 3000ft over 16 miles and only used 40% of the battery. While the bike doesn't feel like a moto-frame with pedals. Its a true trailbike made for the core mountainbiker that just wants to do 2X as many laps at their favorite riding spot. So if you want to ride the sickest and most fun trail bike on the market at this time, go demo a SL and STFU. All the haters that talk shit about this bike having "too small a motor and too small a battery" haven't been lapped 3X by a good rider on one yet...
  • 3 0
 I don't disagree with your comments on the Levo SL but we have to recognize that the comparing the SC to the Levo SL is an apple to oranges comparison.

If you compare the SC to the regular Levo, the Levo still wins with weight, 40% more range because of the 700wH battery and cost. Not jumping on the band wagon but we all need to recognize that the SL is a different direction for E-bikes and it was not shooting for max power / torque.
  • 1 0
 I’ve said it many many times, but the big red S will win everything once they max out the class 1 motor and pair it with 150-200w modular-stackable batteries. @pedalingbobby:
  • 4 0
 @tcsantacruz: I'm legitimately happy you enjoy your bike. This comment was not directed at you, but you spent a lot of money and took it personal. I get it. Everyone gets this way when they enjoy something and then see someone nitpicking all the negatives. I don't think this Heckler is the be all and end all of ebikes either.

My comment was in response to the general pinkbikery that's going on in the comments so i wanted to add to it , even in yours, nothing is obsolete because a bike with some serious limitations that can't be overcome hit the market. It's ridiculously hyperbolic. There's a pro's and con's list with the bike like with every bike.

They took 2lbs of battery off the bike and put it into a waterbottle. They got rid of the battery swap mechanisms, probably saved another elbo there. Put on a lighter weight motor. Compromises were made to achieve their goal.

I'm just saying by the comments here you'd swear this was a revolutionary ebike, it's not, it's barely a step forward, more of a step sideways. A way to give more customers what they want, a lighter ebike, but it was at a cost is all. Like everything in life. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Not even a hater, just a realist, sitting back watching the bullshit unfold. Until 18650's come down in weight, which isn't going to happen, ebikes can't get lighter without these types of compromises, no matter what the marketing department tells you.
  • 2 0
 @tcsantacruz: Wow, you've done 3000ft over sixteen miles and this is twice as many laps as you normally ride at your local spot? And the battery was basically half drained?

Sounds like you should work on fitness not on defending you $10,000+ investment that has already lost half it's resale value.
  • 2 0
 @Cheddar420: yeah I would agree the SL is a step sideways. It’s another ebike option. I have a levo and have all three power settings turned way down. I just don’t need to power it provides. If I could get 30 miles out of the SL then it would be a preferred option for me. I would rather have a lighter bike that gets me the distance I want to go. Then have an extra battery to add to it if I want to do more. But 30 miles is about the max I usually do. I probably average about 24 miles a ride on my levo.

Most of my rides are on my Rift Zone because I don’t have the time to do the long ebike rides. Plus I do like riding the Rift Zone more because it’s lighter and more nimble.

I was thinking ebikes were going towards shuttle style bikes. But I really wanted one that can be fun for short rides and long ones and still get a good workout. Hard to get a good work on the levo without putting in the distance. That’s why I have the power turned way down.

That was long winded but my point is the SL is another option and there is a nitch for it. I just don’t like the noise for the motor. It’s gear driven instead of belt driven. The gears are not as silent as the belt system.
  • 23 3
 Lets grab a beer and popcorn and watch the comment section explode...
  • 19 4
 I always wanted a Heckler in the 90s but was so far out of my reach at that time it was always the unattainable dream. This has now just completely tarnished that memory and the name of that awesome bike. It's like finding out a children's TV presenter you used to love on TV as a kid has been locked up for naughty things.
  • 11 0
 Don't worry mate, I'm sure Jim'll Fix It
  • 2 0
 Exactly! I don't understand either why there is so much need to bring back old names in totally new guises that have little to do with the old ones. It only spawns confusion. Let the past be the past, be creative in the present. Same goes to the Intense Tazer and the GT LTS. These were good like they were.
  • 3 0
 Agreed ... I had a 98 Heckler, went to a Bullet in 01, then back to a 04 Heckler 5. I still own the 04 Heckler and ride it a couple of times a year just for the nostalgia. They where fun bikes, up for anything and tough. I was super excitted to see this post about about a new Heckler. Then it was just a huge let down. I'm okay with a SC ebike, gotta offer what people are buying to pay the bills. But pick a different name.
  • 1 1
 I do not understand this maudlin sentimentality for a brand’s model name.
  • 19 1
 santa cruz turning to e-bikes is like when anakin turned to the dark side in star wars
  • 15 0
 “It’s over Anakin, I have the Hightower!”
  • 25 12
 Damn, this hurts. Not only hurts to see SC go ebike, but mainly the old Heckler was the first SC bike I ever rode and still remem3as one of the fondest biking memories. I've had SC in a couple of iterations since then, all thanks to that aluminum framed single pivot Heckler I rented. Really sucks to see the name brought back as a f*#%ing ebike.
  • 14 2
 Points and goes "HA HA".
  • 19 5
 I have been lucky enough to spend a little time around this bike. It honestly rides so good, put a smile on my face. Heckle me if you want, but I'm a fan.
  • 8 9
 I’m sure it does ride well and the 45+ Overweight SC fanbois will be all over it, but it’s hard to find bike that doesn’t ride well these days, and if SC are in the market to sell bikes why build a bike that has less battery power than those leading the field and a size of wheels that the industry appears to be moving away from, especially as you have a motor, and weight is less of an issue.
  • 15 0
 Wow, an opinion from someone who actually rode the bike. Say it ain't so.....
  • 2 0
 I know where the "vague and unconvincing bike test" award of the day is going now
  • 3 0
 @Hillfarmer: As somebody who just recently bought a V3 Bronson I can imagine that this thing rides fantastic. I'm not their target audience, but in 10 or 20 years I might be.

This might come as a shock to you, but many people are still seeking out 650b bikes.
  • 1 0
 @georgiamtbiker: I think you need to read what I said pal. As I said it most likely rides well, as do most bikes coming to market at the moment. As for wheel size of course there is still a demand for 650b , hey I ride 650b but I’m pretty sure as it stands today in the world of high end mtb’s 29er sales will outstrip 650b sales. So if you are in the bike business to make money why release your first emtb in the less popular wheel size and with a battery power that has already been superseded by many. This isn’t a super light weight spesh levo sl, it’s a regular weight emtb so up against the norco slight vlt and 700w levo. I could imagine they would sell more highpowers than this, but maybe that’s not too far down the line.
  • 1 0
 @Hillfarmer: Maybe it wasn't designed by the marketing department, and they found that people that rode it better or liked it more?
  • 19 8
 I saw the "Heckler" name and opened my wallet.

My 2009 Heckler is still being ridden by my dad on original bearings. That thing is a beast, and I still would take a single pivot bike over any linkage design...because I hate bearing maintenance and I literally had zero issues with the suspension design. It still holds my "most successful tech climbs in a row" on a section of trail I ride every week.

Then I saw this abomination and vomited in my mouth.
  • 15 2
 For the price of a decent MX bike or dual-purpose/enduro motorcycle, you can now own an E-bike that cannot be ridden at many trail centers...
  • 1 0
 And can be ridden on private land (many bikeparks too) much like MX bikes are.
  • 6 0
 @cole-inman:

I don't know where you are but in Canada E-bikes aren't allowed at most bike parks. Whistler for example they're prohited from much of the mountain.
  • 3 0
 But allowed everywhere else. And I’ve seen a few ebikes in the lift line. @deeeight:
  • 2 0
 @deeeight: but you can hotlap Dark Crystal to the chagrin of the locals...lol. Even where they aren't allowed many are just playing dumb and going anyway.
  • 1 1
 @deeeight: Canada is a great country!
  • 2 0
 @deeeight: I'm near Massanutten and Snowshoe, both of which allow them on their lift and non-lift access trails and rent them. Hell, Snowshoe has an ebike sitting in the lift ticket office with ebike tour videos playing, tons of people riding them in the bike park. Not sure about Windrock, but its in a ORV park so I'm guessing they would allow ebikes.
  • 18 5
 So much delicious, salty tears here. Make it rain boys.
  • 2 0
 Let's make a salt creek.
  • 13 2
 despite being a SC fanboi I have to say this just doesn't tickle my fancy the way levo SL does
  • 7 0
 The Levo Sl is on another level. I don’t think it can be disputed that Spesh are way ahead of the e-pack at the moment.
  • 7 2
 @tobiusmaximum: I would agree that Specialized is on another level, but the Levo SL isn't as great as people are making it out to be.

I have test ridden the Creo gravel bike and my dad owns a Levo. The standard Levo has 3x the torque of the SL. While the Creo was fine for me (almost too easy), it was gutless and noisy for him.

Weight isn't as much of an issue as the pinkbike lot would lead you to believe, There is 30kgs between my dad and I and we both can ride the Levo and have a lot of fun.

The SL is the e-bike for someone who doesn't need an e-bike, they aren't going to sell well IMO, this Santa Cruz looks promising only because of the linkage design the rest seems pretty standard, but that price is just silly compared to what you can get Specialized wise.
  • 5 0
 @jimbothekid: sure, the SL isn’t without its issues. For someone like me, it offers a glimpse of what I envisage in the future. When the bikes combine (to a degree) the weight and nimble behaviour of an SL and the power and battery of a regular Levo/Kenevo.. it will be pretty impressive.
I think we are only a few years from light, powerful, e-bikes with digital gears and 20k pricetags! lol.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: yep I agree, won't be long
  • 1 6
flag tcsantacruz (Feb 11, 2020 at 15:53) (Below Threshold)
 @jimbothekid: the Stumpy SL is the bike that is going to make the regular trail bike obsolete. I have one and the thing kills climbs and demolishes DHs with a more aggressive geo than the 29er Stumpy non-E eversion. I've ridden nearly 3000ft over 16 miles and only used 40% of the battery. While the bike doesn't feel like a moto-frame with pedals. Its a true trailbike made for the core mountainbiker that just wants to do 2X as many laps at their favorite riding spot. So if you want to ride the sickest, lightest, and most FUN trail E-bike on the market at this time, go demo a SL and STFU. All the haters that talk shit about this bike having "too small a motor and too small a battery" haven't been lapped 3X by a good rider on one yet...
  • 11 4
 Why are their 2 articles on the front page about a company effectively trying to play catch up with the competition, releasing a bike which is very 2019 and not 2020. Sorry SC, but Spec upped the game and have 1 upped you, well they didnt 1 up you really as you are the new boy entering the e-bike market using your non e-bike clout. Which still makes you the newb beginner for e-bikes. Good luck selling your outdated e-bike haha.
  • 1 0
 ha ha ha
  • 1 0
 They didn't get 1-upped, they got 2-upped
  • 11 1
 At least it’s the first Santa Cruz model you can distinguish from the rest
  • 13 5
 Santa Cruz actually live in a dream world, who in there right mind would pay that amount of money for a step backwards in the e-mtb game.
  • 8 0
 I'm sure it'll ride really well. But I would have expected something more innovative from Santa Cruz. Feels a bit vanilla for them.
  • 8 3
 Problem isn't E-Bikes. I actually like riding more and making the climb easier. IE a long fire road?! Why wouldn't I like to get that over with and have more energy for another lap or pushing harder on the DH?

My problem is giving shit people access to jewels like Porc Rim in Moab. There is a ton of tourists pissed when they cant rent an E-Bike and take the shuttle and ride it. One, its mostly down and still need bike handing skills to get to the bottom! 2, if they are allowed, SAR is going to be super busy getting these idiots out... for free! Also, I don't want to come across a bunch of spray painted rocks and empty beer cans in the backcountry and you know it will happen! People are shit!
  • 1 0
 Enchilada is a sacrifice zone. Shops in town rent bikes to people they know have no business riding that trail. It's a disservice to the novice riders who have a shitty time pushing bikes and the riders who want to get after it that the Moab rental shops don't steer gumbys towards Mag 7.

That's why I ride Gold Bar/Portal and Rockstacker/Jacksons (and other places) more than Enchilada anymore.
  • 1 0
 @peleton7: same here. but dont tell too many people about those. They are nice and quiet most of the time. would like to keep it that way! Dont forget Portal!
  • 1 0
 @rzicc: Unlike Enchilada, you have to pedal up to get down those trails. And the approach exposure sends the noobs back to the trails they'll be happier on.

Enchilada should have a gnarly, high consequence move right at every shuttle drop. And the shuttle drivers should park just below that move to pick up the gapers and take them straight to Mag 7 or Navajo Rocks.

Everyone would be happier.
  • 6 0
 Thank you Santa Cruz for thinking about the taller riders! Most brands don't give a ratsarse about people tallet then 190 cm.
  • 10 2
 Burn it before it lays eggs
  • 5 1
 Was this bike designed 3 years ago or did someone at SC actually have the bright idea to build a bike with an average to poor battery life compared to the class leaders and 27.5 wheels when 29ers are selling. Out of date on the first day. It’s also a bit fugly . ????‍♂️
  • 25 18
 Let the salty tears flow from those stuck in the past.
  • 7 1
 How long till Yeti launches a E-bike? I think it's just a matter of time before we see EB-150's.
  • 8 3
 I can't wait to get one and Ride Up the flow trail in Demo forest at 20mph. Make way for uphill traffic. Smile Thanks Santa Cruz!
  • 3 0
 Looks nice, but underpowered and nothing new or exciting, pretty much like my 2016 levo. To bad, I was hoping for a much more refined product, esp after all the tut-tutting and handwringing at SC from the purists, well, here's your crow, undercooked and no seasoning.
  • 8 2
 Just here to see the Pinkbike readers losing their minds over e-bikes. Just sipping my coffee.
  • 3 0
 What I want to know is, where is this booming eMTB market in North America? Most legit trail systems worth riding explicitly don't allow ebikes. Then there are all the gray area trail systems where access for pedal bikes is tenuous at best.

So where are people riding these things???
  • 3 0
 I'm in Bentonville Arkansas. There is a shit ton of BC riding and inner city flow jump trails that are all e bike friendly.
  • 6 7
 From what I've seen, the market appears to be middle-aged, entitled white guys who think they're above the public land laws and regulations that everyone else abides by.
  • 2 3
 @portermoab: I see the same thing in Colorado. Those same guys go on and on about how "they pay taxes and this is about freedom" and other BS. Just epic entitlement.
  • 1 0
 Mostly open in North Tahoe to Ebikes, endless riding for day’s
  • 1 0
 @portermoab: these folks ride anywhere they please with impunity. Seen it all over my area. Could really care less as most can't manage riding the trails I like to ride.
  • 3 0
 Was waiting for this bike, but am unfortunately fairly disappointed. This would have been awesome 1-2 years ago, but now seems out of date. No 700 watt battery. Cheapest price >$7000. Love Santa Cruz bikes, but I couldn't justify this over a Levo or Decoy. I'm sure it rides well, but you need that 700 Watt battery to hit 4K vert on trail-shuttle mode, which is the entire point of owning one of these bikes.
  • 4 0
 This bike is so core, it’s named after a beer. Really? Is that supposed to make me feel something? other than vicariously embarrassed
  • 2 0
 Wait I almost forgot, named after a beer Rob Roskopp likes. And Rob is cooler than ebikes, so this ebike is therefore cool. Basic logic!
  • 4 1
 So not only should I believe that a 46lb bike is playful and nimble, but also that sitting and spinning is the best way to lay down the power. Need to practice seat bouncing off the lip I suppose
  • 5 2
 We used to ride street on 45lb DH bikes with no issues.
  • 7 0
 @aidy: Yeah I do recall. I had a bullit with a monster T and dbl wides in the late 90’s, and we both know it wasn’t playful or nimble. I even ran a heavy ass avalanche shock on that pig and nearly killed myself trying to race it due to its sheer heft. But it would easily eat 20 stair set gaps and huge drops. Basically, it would’ve stole this bike’s lunch money.
  • 6 0
 Remember when Levy hated eMTBs?
  • 8 6
 People getting so offended for no reason... If you don't like it, move along. Everyone gets a thrill from negative comments these days. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean others won't. Don't shame people for it. STFU and keep moving. No need to comment..
  • 1 0
 Actually no, this is one of the major manufacturers of the nice mtb frames with good warranty, Personally I expected more for 2020 model, this seems outdated comparing to other major manufacturers, also design vise far below the curve
  • 4 0
 I've owned probably around 9 or ten bikes in my time. Irrelevant to this ebike, but my 03 heckler never broke. Was a great bike
  • 1 0
 only 9 or 10 bikes? Did you just start riding last year?
  • 7 0
 @Apex06: 3 months ago actually. I also service my forks on my bike after every half run
  • 5 1
 If ebikes are so cool, why is everyone worried that it looks an ebike and doesn't look as much like a regular MTB, when compared to the specialized?
  • 7 2
 This is for old out of shape dentists. The strong fit ones ride a pickup to the top with their bro’s.
  • 3 1
 So, instead of sorting out the gash colours on the Hightower, and giving it the same adjustable wheelbase treatment and option to fit a coil shock etc etc, they’ve spent 3 years designing this, which, judging by the comments, sucks @ss and is obsolete already.
WTF, sort out the bikes that people buy before producing one that They won’t.
  • 2 0
 I love my Yeti SB4.5 and an ebike will never replace the experience / fitness you get from a regular bike. I also dig the hell out of ebikes, the kiddo and I ride 30 miles every weekend on ours and the experience is irreplaceable. Anyone bashing ebikes, your flat out wrong and have no idea what your talking about. However, this Heckler price is absolutely ridiculous and anyone that purchases this bike at this price is a complete double dumb ass! Ebike technology becomes obsolete faster than a stadard bike so to accept these prices will only hurt the industry. You can buy a similar speced YT decoy for 3k less, "F" you Santa Cruz!
  • 2 0
 I wanna know: how did KTM and CRF become the anti-ebike motos and mandatory comment on every e-bike story?

I've never seen "I'd buy a KX450 before one of these!" or "Why not just buy a Husky FE???" comments...just the e-bike fighting Honda and KTM.
  • 2 0
 Totally a 2018 ebike. Watching the other video where pink bike interviews the founder and engineer it’s obvious this bike was only made because the bike industry was going there. SC has been dragging there feet and released a subpar ebike. They don’t seem excited about it. Would I ride it! Yah of course it looks fun, but compared to what Specialized is doing they have a long ways to catch up. I personally don’t like the Shimano motor, it’s super noisy and not as crisp as the brose... 500 watt battery is just too small for full ebike day. youtu.be/vIzwCPX9FF8
  • 3 1
 This is worth a look if you haven't seen it yet. It's by a former Trek exec who was instrumental in their ebike development program.

www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Former-Trek-Executives-Open-Letter-to-Bike-Industry-About-E-Bikes,10793
  • 1 0
 The point in the speed difference in USA vs EU e-bikes could be a real problem. I ride with a friend on an e-bike and we have the same pace overall,I´m faster downhill,he is faster uphill. 15 mph or 25 km feels slow in level terrain compared to any mtb,I would add an e-bike is as fast as an XC fit guy uphill. True that 20 mph or 32 km/h is way faster and a big push in average speed. I would love to see a USA spec e-bike versus EU e-bike test in the trail,to see the real difference. Here in Spain if it is an e-bike,no tags,you can ride it like any other bike,no much trouble.
  • 6 1
 So many bros will be so confused by this release. Meltdowns in 3, 2, 1...
  • 4 0
 Yeah, not any big brands the haters can embrace anymore. Resistance is futile.
  • 5 0
 Maybe they should have gone for Heckled instead of Heckler.
  • 7 4
 Look sold and outdated already compared to many others, nothing special, just another one. Feel like a token effort to join the club. Lazy!
  • 2 4
 Hey Bud,

What bike do you ride?
  • 1 0
 @theriches09: and your calling SCB Lazy. OK.
  • 1 3
 You’re not wrong, but seriously slap a motor in a great bike and it’s tons of fun. That’s all I want them to do, and they did! Same as all these other ebikes?—yes. Great!
  • 1 0
 @SandyPlenty: Just an opinion, looks like a 2018 Powerplay. Also SRAM NX for nearly 7k! ????
  • 5 1
 They really dropped the ball on this one. The test mule looks better than the finished product.
  • 4 1
 From a company like Santa Cruz I would have expected something a little more refined. This looks somehow like the work of a first semester industrial design student.
  • 4 0
 I love reading about bikes and all, but the best part of your write ups @mikelevy is you make me laugh, a lot!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: have you ever test a USA spec e-bike vs EU spec e-bike? The power and speed specs are different,it could be interesting to see a test on a trail. Maybe it is stupid,but maybe it could teach us something about why e-bike perception is so different here in EU.
  • 4 0
 I kinda get why, but seeing a $10k CDN bike with an NX drivetrain is f-ing crazy.
  • 3 0
 Really wish they didn’t use the Heckler name. That was supposed to be a budget minded single pivot trail smasher.

This just hurts my heart.
  • 4 0
 46lbs!......hold my beer....returns from the garage on a 2004 Santa Cruz V10
  • 1 0
 Please tell me you owned a Driver 8 as well ????
  • 3 0
 "You can hear the motor's whine over everything else that's happening, but that's the case with every e-bike." I guess you haven't ridden a Rocky or a Kenevo then? Silent.
  • 6 1
 They should call it the T-Watt
  • 2 0
 "You can hear the motor's whine over everything else that's happening, but that's the case with every e-bike. " Not true. The Brose motors on the Specializeds are WAY smoother and quieter.
  • 1 0
 The Brose motors on the Kenove and Levo are. The SL is louder.
  • 4 3
 If you don't want to pedal up the damn hill buy a off road motorcycle. They're fun, awesome and totally legit...no shame there -but, for the love of God...don't bastardize two great sports by putting pedals on a motorcycle so you can feel like a cyclist while riding a motor bike. Just my two cents - be calm Jedis
  • 4 0
 As an owner of a Generation 1 1995 Heckler.....Look How They Massacred My Boy! :-(
  • 3 2
 Assuming most (if not all) of these comments are from people that have not ridden the Heckler. In typical Santa Cruz fashion, this bike rides amazing and feels more like a Nomad 4 or Bronson when pointing downwards. The power and climbing is very controlled and accurate. The attention to detail is spot on. With incredible sharp handling, VPP suspension and Shimano motor, this bike will most definitely be top of the ebike list.
  • 1 0
 It looks like emtb from 2017, all major brands even with shimano motors are bare more slick, also spec / price ratio, cmon

For me currently top two is yt, S, C- price, spec, Overall look and feel
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I still have some doubts rent or by emtb’s since they have very specific aplicació for lift less trails and evolving to fast
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy hi. could you please shed light on why someone should buy the heckler as opposed to, let's say, the orbea wild fs m10, which totally decked out still would be considerably cheaper and seems like it ticks all the boxes in terms of quality and reliability?

does santa cruz's ebike proposal carry an intrinsic value added element that puts it above other competitors? if so, what is it? geometry? warranty? weight? suspension?
  • 4 0
 SC’s build quality, warranty, and vibe are all selling points. They’re a mountain bike company. Long history. Cool riders. Good logo.
When I pulled my Nomad apart and saw the laser-etched branding on the inside of the bearing bolts, where nobody but a mechanic would see, I was like yeah this is a great bike.
But yes, geo, warranty, spec, weight—this is right in the SC spot among other great (e)bikes.
I can’t borrow eMTBs any longer, I gotta have my own...this one’s in the mix, but it’ll take the IRS printing me an extra tax return for it to happen.
But yes this bike is great. I wish it were an eNomad but I get it.
  • 1 0
 Have you ever looked at an Orbea up close?
  • 1 0
 @Amukinado: no. not at all actually. i assume you are saying the build quality isn't great. can you elaborate?
  • 4 3
 Suck it haters.
It is the beginning of the end.
5 years 50% e bikes at Santa Cruz!
A 17kg Levo!!
Critical mass reached!
Only thing left to do is rally the true core riders and form ebike hate groups and block access.
Oh wait that is already happening but it is still not stopping.
Lolz
  • 2 0
 one of SC's first bikes named after a beer, one of Spesh's first bikes named after a penguin...I still know which brand i prefer....i like beer....i don't like poop you can see from space!
  • 1 0
 Best looking Ebike yet....it’s on my very short list of “next to purchase” however it’s price as well as Spesh, is a bit out there IMO...after all Shimano invented and manufactures the motor & electronics...bike companies simply need to fit their linkage designs and kits to the package.....either way, Beautiful bike for sure!
  • 14 11
 Is it called the "Heckler" because that's what people do to you when they see you riding and e-bike?
  • 15 11
 Time to buy a Ktm 450! And keep the change
  • 4 1
 Or if you're an electric fanboy get e eFreeride, still cheaper and way more capable lol
  • 4 0
 Looks like a bronson that ate all the pies
  • 4 2
 wow. E8000. You’d have thought they’d have waited a few more months and gone with the new shimano motor, this bike will be obsolete by the summer :-0
  • 11 11
 Nice Bike! Looking good, Europeans are more used to bikes like this, all you americanos will get used to it...

One thing though. Shimanos new 12 Speed Groups with those fancy Hyperglide PLus Chains and Cassettes make shifting under load a pleasure. Why go with sram there? It feels like shit to shift on eagle drivetrains under big loads. CHA-KLONK!

That's a big nay nay, poopie shifts no good.
  • 10 0
 Don't put us in the same bag. Greetings from Switzerland.
  • 1 0
 Even 11 xt would be much more suitable For the ebike
  • 1 0
 They’re using single-click shifters with these to cut down on exploding chains and bent cassettes.
  • 1 1
 @mikelevy I know the Santa Cruz site describes the old bike as a ”'97-'99 model”, but the above is a 1999 model. 9 speed LX and XT came out that year, plus the graphics on the fork are either '99 or '00. Smile Actually, the M571 cranks could be even newer. Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Only thing that makes me excited is the potential for Shimano to release their internal gearbox that bolts up to their ebike motor mounts. Would love a gearboxed Bronson, in theory...
  • 6 2
 really cool for Santa Cruz to make a throwback e-bike from 2017
  • 3 3
 I’ve had something on my mind re: e-bikes for a while. Hope to post it earlier in a comment section but here it goes anyway. Let’s take the US for example. Although I realize that we are just a very small group of the world “pie” in Mountain Biking. But, of the day 350,000,000 (very approx) people who live in the US, how many mountain bike, or even are potential mountain bike customers- really look outside of the groups you live in, I know we are self selecting groups from CA, and WA, and CO, and AZ and etc, but try to ignore that and think of US population as a whole, how many people truly ride mountain bikes and/or are in the market for a bike even say 2000+ dollars- it’s gotta be an insanely small part of the population- Of all this which is to say, it’s still a super niche sport. Then think of the people within that niche, or even if you add on say double that extremely small niche who you think might buy a bike in the future. How many of either of those two groups are really saying “oh man I can’t wait to buy a mountain bike now that it’s got a motor”. I guess all this free form thinking out loud is I just don’t see the business case for these. The world of high-ish end mountain bike (and for most john q gen pop that probably starts around 2K) is extremely small, then you split that small group by people who really don’t care about motors, just want a bike) seems like this narrative is being pushed by industry but I’m really not too sure to what end? Ok I’ll remove my foil hat now.
  • 3 0
 I mean, if they don't sell, then the companies won't make them. I don't understand the point here. Other than Europe is probably 5 years ahead of us in terms of eMTB acceptance and even big American companies like Santa Cruz and Cannondale want a slice of that market.
  • 5 1
 @roma258: Agree with your point about sales driving production. But I don’t know if I’d characterize Europe as “ahead” on e-acceptance. The U.S. and Europe have different cultural stories (ideologies) about public land, which inform attitudes toward appropriate land use. Here, we have a “wilderness” story that suggests purity, solace, leave-no-trace, conservation, and spartan self-denial: If you’re alone, righteously stinking like a golem and eating year-old peanut butter off of a stick, you’re doing it right. In Western Europe, your average mountaintop campground has a pizza parlor, hot tub, disco, 38 nudist Dutch pensioners, and nylon-to-nylon tent spacing. (I exaggerate, a little, maybe.) So American backcountry users may continue to resist the ebike—even as we drive monster trucks to the trailhead. I guess we’ll see.
  • 4 0
 What's up with the fork? First bike to come with the new 38?
  • 1 0
 That's what I was thinking, no real reason to tape off the fork name unless it's a new fork
  • 1 0
 @matt-15: It's not taped. It says 36.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: ah, I'm just blind and couldn't see the 36 because it is black on black. On their website it is a bit easier to see, but still kind of difficult
  • 2 0
 why are all the drivetrains SRAM when they use Shimano motor? is their agreement with SRAM that draconian? XT is pretty good, you know...
  • 5 5
 I think Hecklee is a more apt name-as in you'll be the heckelee when I tease the $hit out of you for riding a heavy, overpriced moped.

Mopeds (ebike is just marketing spin to make it sound less lame) are awesome for commuting around town, but otherwise they're pretty lame. If you want to get a workout but also be motorized, just buy a dirtbike. The national forests in the US have hundreds of miles of barely used trails where you can get after it on one of those.

To those people who'll berate me for this post-when you slip your back tire climbing a technical slab and a 50 pound moped shatters your leg when you fall....I told you so!!
  • 5 1
 triggered
  • 2 0
 Surprised they didn't go for a more lightweight nimble version like Specialized Levo SL. Not many people going to ride over 4 hours.
  • 6 1
 no thank you sir
  • 1 0
 "Also in the name of integration, the 800mm wide house-brand handlebar has channels and ports molded into it for cables (it'll work well with Di2, too)"
no pictures @mikelevy ???
  • 3 0
 I've been passed by many an ebike going uphill but never by one going downhill.
  • 3 1
 It'll be interesting to look back on these comments in 5 years.. Kind of like Trump's tweets when Obama was in office. Good luck, Keyboard Warriors! LOL
  • 3 0
 Christ Almighty, another E-bike! If Chromag ever comes out with an electric hard tail, there’s no hope.
  • 1 1
 Any one else noticed Sram Eagle chainring mounted on XT cranks?))

And SC, maybe you missed latest trends on the mtb market, but rolling out of the first ever SC e-bike made around 27.5 wheels in 29 epoch looks like a big, no, huge mistake.
  • 22 19
 I'm a SC fanboy....but they lost me here.
  • 7 4
 they don't care, more people will buy this, then you
  • 7 7
 @lesz42: I'll consider an ebike when I'm too weak to ride. I do enjoy the part of earning my turns.
Without going into the purist discussion, what pisses me off, is that SC is supposed to deliver high quality well thought out products. This one is already outdated.
  • 1 0
 after 17 santa cruz bikes from 1998 they lost me too, they are now a Focus sub brand.......
  • 4 1
 So everybody and their mother is mow gonna ride Santa Cruz..
  • 6 3
 All Santa Cruz need now is a female rider and they can tick every box.
  • 5 1
 No mono, no Heckler.
  • 1 2
 No Homo!
  • 7 3
 Wow that's UGLY!
  • 8 9
 First I was like you all guys. You are like "Oh no they made an e-bike !! It's a shame for our sport ! " I thought it was such a shame too to ride an e-bike.
But now I'm really totally indifferent about that. It's part of the evolution.
And man these bikes bring a lot of people to ride MTB. It bring a big potential for ski resort to make something of their resort in summer and to pay some crews to shape trails. Because there is always more people riding. And that is a good thing I think. It make our sport considerated.
Obviously they shape a lot of flowtrails (I'm not so fan of flowtrails, more unshaped steep natural thing) but yeah it bring opportunities to have available and official trails.

But I will surely not buy an e-bike! But will consider it when I'm 60 years old.
  • 5 1
 180mm eV10 please....
  • 4 1
 Why stop at 180mm when pedaling efficiency isn't a concern? Bring back the original V 10 travel and call it the E10.
  • 1 0
 That’s why they start putting the shox where it is now on of of them cause when I saw the first one I always said that they who’re thinking of a motor in that frame ,
  • 2 0
 Should have painted it magnolia. That thing is about as vanilla as it gets.
  • 2 1
 Yeah that color reminds me of a fishing lure
  • 8 6
 Is it just me, or does the prototype look way better? Even with the battery strapped on the outside.
  • 2 6
flag tyuikm (Feb 11, 2020 at 4:16) (Below Threshold)
 Absolutely, it looks like a bike rather than ugly e-abomination
  • 3 0
 Surely they could have made the downtube a little slimmer
  • 2 0
 Santa Cruz never disappoints when comes to finding new ways to make their bikes even more expensive...
  • 3 0
 Can we HACK IT to have more watts /speed??
  • 2 0
 Hey Levy...time to "Humble" someone..or maybe a "Hotlap"..see what that puppy can do.Smile
  • 2 0
 I'm sure it will still end up on a top 5/10 list of ebikes because it's Santa Cruz
  • 2 0
 Was always keen to have the Heckler come back into the SC line....but not like this. Poor thing...
  • 3 0
 Aside from the usual e-bike hate...$10k CAD for NX and Yari?????
  • 3 0
 Look how they massacred my boy....
  • 7 5
 Honestly, if I’m so old and decrepit that I need to ride this thing, I’ll just go for a hike.
  • 1 2
 Ditto. That and fly-fishing.
  • 3 0
 Oh nooooo. This can't be happening.
  • 3 1
 When your late to the party and have to spec Shimano Steps as Bosch have no OEM capacity left Big Grin
  • 3 1
 Top Most Commented Article of the Year, or decade, so far!! Well played SC and PB!!
  • 5 1
 Yeti is next, watch!
  • 2 0
 Agreed.
  • 3 0
 Heckler&Koch, marketing suicide tool
  • 2 0
 I’m starting to think e-bikes are like the Borg: Resistance is Futile. You will assimilate.
  • 3 0
 Why buy a new dirt bike for $6,000 when you can by this for $12,000!!
  • 1 0
 it has the name Santa Cruz on it duuu
  • 3 0
 ebikes making bikers have to yield uphill and downhill now
  • 2 1
 Any of these ebike producing companies going to publish how they are going to offset the carbon emissions of 1,000s of dead batteries in the future?
.
  • 2 0
 $7,399 to $12,599 !?! FUK THAT! I'll stick with a real bike for 1/4 of the cost
  • 4 2
 only a matter of time before dmv catches on and starts requiring a license for these motorcycles
  • 1 2
 We got 12 gears, advanced suspension, light frames/components, decades of obsessive R&D . Bikes are now quite remarkable. Add a motor, it doesn’t seem like a bicycle anymore. It’s a different deal. It’s a motor bike. Which is fine. It’s just kind of a strange progression. I don’t think I’ll ever reach for a motor. In fact, as I age, earning the up is a sweet euphoria, and keeps me centered and ground and lean.
  • 2 0
 And yet still, the dentists #1 bike brand remains analogue for now.... is yeti cool again? Asking for a friend.
  • 1 1
 For all the purists out there that don’t want to drink the coolaid, this is a good reason to start buying from and supporting the small, independent bike companies out there.
  • 13 15
 Was just on the KTM website. I can get a sweet moto for $1000 less then the entry level ebike. Still can't see why the discrepancy is so large for so much less, even with the editorials explaining it. The moto also comes with a battery, an electric motor AND a gas motor. It's just seems odd. I have seen Shark Tank and heard the margins. I have a feeling it's a 200-300% mark up.
  • 6 3
 Instead of going to KTM website, go to a dealership, get a ripper for 3/4000$ second hand and you won't look back at eBikes !
  • 2 0
 Man you gotta get yerself a screamin eagle that runs on Pabstplutonium, "Ride red Get Head".
  • 5 3
 Because moto is a much bigger, more established market, and the moto industry isn’t obsessed with creating special unicorns every year and planned obsolescence.
  • 8 5
 @emptybe-er: what is going to be funny is when history will repeat itself (like it always does) and the eBike market will be taken over by the engine specialists and the frame builders will be left with scraps. Those will either be happy with the scraps or will stop eBike all together and shamingly go back to doing traditional bikes only. Now will customers that remained true to Cycling will forgive this ? Time will tell !
  • 8 7
 The "buy a motorcycle instead" are the lamest arguments against emtb's. Downhilling sucks on a moto so moto sucks in my book period, and you can't access half as many places on a moto. I barely understand why people even ride motocross anymore except for a love of high speeds. Its an expensive, super inconvenient sport FULL of some of the worst white trash in existence. And miserably heavy bikes. Go brag in a moto forum.
  • 7 1
 @ButtermilkBar: are you sure you are not describing Downhillers?
  • 3 3
 @Balgaroth: Agreed. If it's got a motor, it's not a bike. At most, it's a moped. And you might as well get full braaaps if you're motorized.
  • 3 3
 @ButtermilkBar: Just wait.....the flat-billed douche-horde is coming your way on their mopeds (ebikes).
  • 3 1
 @ButtermilkBar: Dude, I think you are missing the point. For me, I was looking at an enduro for mostly street, licenseable. A motocross bike is about as useful for me as a DH bike, they both cost the same amount and both useless in my book, because I don't have DH or MX access close to home. But I'm not ragging on DH, if it's anyone's thing. Also not ragging on ebike, if it's anyone's thing. I would never, ever ride a fixie, but it's cool if it's your thing. Hating on MX, think you gotta take a step back and see who is on the mtb trail and on the MX track. MTB is a crossover sport for MX. My question, why do you ride mountain bikes? Sounds like you hate it.
  • 3 1
 @oldschool43: Fair enough, I understand your perspective and made a bad stereotype, I apologize.
  • 1 0
 @vonroder77: upvoted your comment.
  • 1 0
 @ButtermilkBar: What is interesting and take this with a grain of salt (because internet is truth), but a quick Google of e-bike sales vs motorcycle sales.

"In the 2017 fiscal year, Yamaha Motor sold some 5.4 million motorbikes worldwide, slightly down year-on-year."

"In 2016, some 32.8 million electric bikes were sold in the Asia-Pacific region." and " China has been the largest market for electric bicycles since 2000. Here, sales have skyrocketed from about 300,000 in 2000 to almost 33 million units in 2016."

From a numbers perspective it would be interesting to see a valid sales number report that would support the popular claim that more motos are sold and thus less cost. I know its not that simple and there are many variables but...would be interesting. There's a lot more going on in a moto from a mechanical point of view also.
  • 1 0
 @ButtermilkBar: more expensive than mountain biking??? Myth friend rides mx and his bikes are 2000
  • 1 1
 @ButtermilkBar: You call motoX expensive, while commenting on a $17 000 ebike? ROFL
  • 2 0
 @vonroder77: Of those 32.8 million ebikes sold, how many are from a reputable manufacturer (like yamaha)? The online ebike market is flooded with cheap garbage bikes that are selling very well to uneducated buyers, which is probably accounts for the majority of that 32.8 million. If yamaha sold 5-6 mil.. we also have kawasaki, ktm, honda, suzuki, etc. Those companies also produce dual sport and street bikes so pockets are deep. A fair market analysis would be only established brands that make real ebikes.
  • 2 0
 @emptybe-er: I agree. It would be awsome to see what those solid numbers are. What got me curious was most moto people i know have one or two motos; at the same time they often have multiple mountain bikes that often cost the same or more as those motorcycles.
  • 2 0
 @vonroder77: I see that here in the NW, too. Funhogs! I used to trail ride moto as well but I work on my own bikes and it was getting a little out of hand between bikes and moto. I think many areas have orv parks or backroads and not much mtb terrain or culture, though, so mx is more popular. The south and midwest for example.
  • 5 4
 The first e-bike that doesn't look as bad as the normal bike it's based on, because the normal bike is so ugly.
  • 7 5
 Looks like I need another SC
  • 2 0
 Heckling us with that MSRP.
  • 1 0
 Now after the Spec Evo I go straight to weight on anything E. Saw this 48pounder and went straight to comments...
  • 2 0
 £10000 flipping heck!!!!!!!!! brain surgeon money!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 Cable ported handle bars? Internal frame routing is PITA enough!
  • 1 0
 am I the only one who noticed that... Mike needs a pair of new shoes.... Smile
  • 4 4
 They spun off the women's line as Juliana - they should have spun this off under the new brand Carmel-by-the-Sea bikes to attract their new target audience.
  • 2 0
 Weighs about a lb less than my alloy levo comp.
  • 2 1
 If you want this bike just go grab yourself a gen 2 Levo carbon on sale somewhere for a 1/4 of the price lol.
  • 1 0
 The thought has....crossed my mind.
  • 1 0
 You won’t find a
2nd gen Levo for 1/4 the price unless you buy it in a a dark alley.
  • 1 0
 You live in the PNW, and you don't know what poison oak looks like? Are you often itchy?
  • 3 2
 Seeing all the losers using crying emojis on facebook posts about this is making my day.
  • 2 1
 I had the original Heckler back in the days. Now I wish I had not. Sad. Selling mildly used 2017 5010 very cheap.
  • 2 2
 Holy deep end...a little too invested maybe?
  • 2 0
 about two years too late...... this is what a levo was 3 years ago
  • 4 2
 All these haters must still love riding their straight skis.
  • 1 0
 Modern skis are great, but at least back in the day you had to KNOW HOW to ski, to ski - not so today.
  • 3 0
 @cirque4: tell me more about these auto-skis
  • 1 1
 All these scooter lovers must still love riding their e-skis
  • 1 0
 @longjohnsilver63: Nah, moto racer. Scooters are way fun though. Just like bikes, and e bikes!
  • 1 1
 I loved SC all the way up to the Blur4X, then I got tired of their pricing. A FUGLY ebike priced the cost of a new car. No
  • 1 0
 Sees weight, then price, then goes and looks at the spesh e-bike. Oh and then the basic bitch build.
  • 3 1
 Even it's Santa Cruz, it still eMTB. Not interesting
  • 1 0
 Prolly just but the KTM electric bike...slay everything at a quarter of the price. Ha!
  • 3 0
 SC Chonkson
  • 3 2
 first.... heckler. perfect name for the ebike... rip original heckler... second, stupid ebikes
  • 1 0
 Could you see me trying to warranty my 2014 Heckler(its not dead yet)? " We don't make that bike". Yes you do!
  • 1 0
 What if I want my own handle bars? unnecessary integration if you ask me. Who needs handle bars with holes in?
  • 1 0
 Yes, I'd actually buy a bike for 13.000€.

That is, if it was made by Yamaha, called the MT-10 and had 160 hp.
  • 1 0
 Why the hate regarding it's looks? Looks pretty similar to their normal pedal bikes to me.
  • 1 0
 When the brands are thinking to make motorbikes ? 2021 ? I think they're starting run out of ideas.....
  • 1 0
 Looks like a pregnant regular SC bike hahahaha. They could add a touch of e-design to it. Not bad at all but very average.
  • 2 2
 That motor sticks further out than the chainring...rocksmashing in 3,2,1...
  • 1 0
 If you ride this and are a "Koch" - then you'll ride fast as a bullet.
  • 5 5
 as every e-mtb this one is ugly .the brands should wait for smaller motor and battery cell to build bike .
  • 1 2
 If no one made the bikes no one would make the technology. The bikes are improving year on year. If my 2019 Kenevo could have the same size down tube as my 2015 Enduro had it would have sold loads more. People are just scared what people on the internet will say!
  • 1 1
 The bike is nice and stuff but its already outdated and its just been released.
  • 4 6
 Can’t wait for the newer models to get rid of the pedals. All that motion is wasted and you can make them lighter, also all of them need to add a throttle, why stop and pretend lazy people want this.
  • 4 4
 I like electric motorcycles, just not many places to ride them on trails and so damn expensive!
  • 8 7
 What a shame I used to like Santa Cruz.
  • 1 0
 Did he say “those whores riding it”?
  • 3 1
 YAWWWWNNNN!
  • 5 3
 Sick dirt bike
  • 1 4
 Whoever builds a simple add on motor (to a standard bicycle) that doesn't have drag and can be removed easily that utilizes the standard cranks is going to be the real hero in this game.

Fully committed e-bikes are a mistake imo and will continue to have limited usage.
  • 1 0
 Price is a Joke?? or not...
  • 2 0
 Thirteen THOUSAND!?!?!?
  • 1 0
 I really think the whole e-bike thing is just a new excuse for bike manufacturers to increase profit margins. I'm seeing Specialized trying to sell a "limited edition" e-bike for $16,500. www.specialized.com/us/en/s-works-turbo-levo-sl-founders-edition/p/187101?color=300140-187101

You know what $16K buys you outside the bike industry insanity bubble? This -> powersports.honda.com/off-road/adventure/africa-twin
With $1,500 left over.
  • 3 2
 buy a motorbike..stop pissing about
  • 3 1
 I came for the comments.
  • 1 1
 Geometry is in the database for comparison purposes...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/santa-cruz-heckler-2020
  • 1 0
 Does it come with "Cruz" control?
  • 1 0
 No coil.....best thing about it are the carbon handlebars
  • 2 1
 Oh Ma Fuck U looks like she got pregnant.
  • 1 0
 Im here for the gang bang!?
  • 1 0
 500 watt battery? Not ideal, rather have more juice.
  • 2 1
 Oh no... The Heckler name doesn't deserve this...
  • 1 0
 Yup.Glad I bought a 2014 Heckler R and 2015 Chameleon R before the madness started.They are the best bikes for my tight technical trails as well as the newer flowy stuff.The Hecklers reliability outweighs its simplicity.
  • 1 0
 2016 called and it wants its eBike back.
  • 1 0
 Think part of me just died a little bit...
  • 1 0
 is this moped coming with free corona sample??
  • 10 9
 Fucking Hell
  • 12 11
 Nooooooooo
  • 6 6
 46lbs & damn near $11k... what a disgrace
  • 2 8
flag tomo12377 (Feb 11, 2020 at 0:55) (Below Threshold)
 That's kinda a good thing - says to me they aren't that interested in the ebike sector but if some triple quad burger donut sauce mid life crisis wants to hand over 11k there is now an SC bike for him SC being SC pumps that money back in to the sport in one way or another
  • 2 1
 my 2001 Straight 8 weights 40lbs.. my Canfield Ballance 32# and my 4Banger 34#.. I can think of slot better things to spend my money on then a $11k glorified moped
  • 1 0
 yep, if you look at the build and then how much an sc frame goes for, you're paying almost $6k for a motor.
  • 5 7
 Took 3 years to design this???
That's why it looks like it's from 2017 and comes with 27.5" wheels instead of now universally accepted 29".
  • 10 9
 Getting one.
  • 13 5
 You lose a bet?
  • 5 5
 Ps I can't wait to buy this and destroy all the KOMs on my area
  • 11 12
 LOL - how about - I can’t wait to buy this and destroy all the trails in my area?
  • 6 5
 @znarf: push bikers damage more trails than emtb bikers, because there are more push bikers. ;-9
  • 3 3
 Only 27.5 and only 150mm travel? Late and still behind the game.
  • 2 1
 I love it's 27.5"
  • 2 2
 This is SO 2018 ebike....Looking good but still not ahead of the pack....
  • 4 2
 Specialized is the BIG leader
  • 1 0
 Gwinnnning proto!
  • 1 0
 hahahaha
  • 1 1
 Soon see danny mac riding one of these....
  • 1 1
 insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif
  • 2 2
 I remember SC saying they wouldn't make an ebike...
  • 6 1
 I remember your momma saying she wouldn’t have any more kids, yet here you are Wink
  • 1 1
 I'm just here for the comments
  • 1 0
 I like turtles.
  • 1 0
 I really like turtles.
  • 1 0
 I like not listening to You Tube telling me what to buy.
  • 10 10
 oh no
  • 3 1
 Literally said the same thing.
  • 4 7
 As a first attempt I think its bang on, the colour way is stunning lets hope the $7499 is equated to a fair price in the UK , My guess $7400 = £7500 by the end of the day
  • 1 3
 I like it... looks really good IMO... just wish they had chosen a smaller battery to keep weight and tube size down a bit..
  • 1 3
 Pigs are flying, our pets heads are falling off.... oh the humanity! But I'm really only here for the comments.
  • 1 2
 that green yellow makes me sad
  • 2 3
 The real questioj is when is SRAM going to come out with a motor?
  • 1 5
flag ButtermilkBar (Feb 11, 2020 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 I was following a SRAM rep Sunday on a ride Sunday and he said they haven't invested anything into to it compared to Shimano. And yet Shimano is still beating them in the 12 speed shifting game. Not embracing e quickly enough is going to hurt SRAM and put Shimano back on top.
  • 2 2
 Welcome 2017
  • 2 3
 i think that Spesh is Untouchable!! they are far far gone!!! good try SC
  • 2 2
 LAME
  • 1 2
 27.5 + 7K = No Bueno

It looks like I'll be buying my first Specialized.
  • 4 5
 27.5" is a mistake
  • 1 4
 too little too late, that motor has been out for years and is outdated...
  • 1 4
 Can we HACK IT to have more watts /speed??
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